Hour 2 - Is Lindsay Clancy the OJ of the Times?

0:00This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome in, our number two clay and buck. It has been called the OJ Simpson trial for white women. The Lindsay Clancy case coming out of Massachusetts, 11 to 1, one brave soul, refused to vote guilty as a result there was a mistrial. All of this chaos coming on Friday, buck I was out and about a lot over Labor Day and people kept coming up wanting to talk about the Lindsay Clancy case. Even people that I was surprised by, I mentioned in the tease as we were going to break. My boys who rarely really get involved in any pop culture story, they love sports, they're aware of what's going on in the political world because of what I do for a living.

1:01But I don't remember the last time they brought up a public trial, for instance. They wanted to talk about how crazy what they are seeing on TikTok is and how many women are out there advocating for Lindsay Clancy and their minds were blown over it. I have a lot of women that I went to law school with. We have a group chat. The women in that group chat all signed on with what my wife Laura said that this is the worst thing to happen to women in their lives because if you can argue that women are too hormonal to take care of their children, then you can argue that women are too hormonal to have any position of power at all. And you can imagine if you are a high profile as many of these women are, attorney who is dealing with incredibly complex litigation and legal related issues on a day-to-day basis, it does not help when women are out there arguing were too in your mother,

2:05were too hormonal to be able to handle places of responsibility. And if you will kill your three kids, certainly I think as my wife argued, I didn't really think about this angle very much, but because I was more focused on the academic side of the world. I think the result of so many women losing their minds over this, including to be fairbuck, some of the women in this audience who every time you and I talk about this, lose their minds in emails to us, which by the way doesn't make me think that they're that mentally stable either. I just point out that continues. The people who get mad at us never try to convince us of their position. They just try to browbeat us in a hysterical fashion, which is on brand, into how we're men we don't understand. There is no, you're men you don't understand when it comes to culpability for a triple murder of children.

3:07That's not a thing. That's not a, you don't get a say on this one. I think a lot of women unfortunately have been told that this brings us back to the abortion argument that, oh, well, men don't have a say in that. I also, by the way, vehemently disagree with that, but put that aside for a moment. This is a triple murder of children. Everyone knows that she did it. And there's this, oh, well, you're men so you can't say or your opinion is invalid. No, opinions absolutely valid. So that's, that's not a thing. I'm just letting anybody know, is it well, you don't, no, no, I don't, I don't care. That's, you know, the reaction. If the male perspective on a prominent rape trial was, you don't really understand what the male sex drive is. And therefore what our testosterone levels are and what it's like to have the hormones that a man has. And therefore you aren't allowed to have an opinion on this violent crime. That is a good, crazy argument. That is the argument that a lot of women are making. Your, your, your wife, you said she weighed in on how this is a huge step back for women.

4:10I would say for a long time, it had been, and I saw our friend Ann Colter to give full credit. She made this argument on her podcast. I saw the clip of it over the weekend. It was considered, we should have Ann on to talk about this by the way. If you think that, if you think Clanire trolling the Lindsey Clancy defenders and is not holding back at all, and we're not trolling them, we're actually completely believe everything that I say about what their defense and their position is on this. But that, if you said, oh, a woman can't be president because what if she, what if it was her time of the month, what if hormones get out of whack and she invades a foreign country or new, this has been like a bad, a bad standup comedy routine for a long time. That could be considered very sexist. That's basically the Lindsey Clancy defense is you can understand the biochemistry of a woman after postpartum depression. So be quiet. No, we won't be quiet. And just give a sense as to how I clay, I need you to weigh in on this actually. So lawyers, some of my closest friends are lawyers.

5:12Clay is a lawyer. I have many close friends who are lawyers. Some lawyers are great people. They become great leaders of this country, politicians and things and do great things. Okay, that's all the way of saying, some of the scumiest people you've ever ever come across in your life are also lawyers. This is not a shock to anybody. There is some, and I've dealt with some really scummy lawyers who twist the system for their benefit and don't care about justice or what is right at all. Lindsey Clancy's attorney was on Good Morning America with Stephen Abel, Stefan Abelubulus. And this is what he said. I want you to hear it and Clay, I have to pitch this to you in a second here and you can tell me why this isn't insane. Play the Lindsey Clancy lawyer, clip guys. Cut three is him asking for a part. I'd like to say that perhaps Donald Trump who felt compelled to speak out about this case made very well. Mr. President, I would hope that you would consider this young lady type of person she is, what she's been through and consider a pardon.

6:19A pardon. Okay. She's not even accused of a federal crime. Correct. I don't think anybody thinks the president is even in a position he should he want to do that. Clay, why would a lawyer do this other than to really just kick mud in the faces of everybody who still thinks that murdering three children is a very bad thing that should be punished. What is the purpose of this lawyer doing this other than it seems to me like to troll. It seems like he is. Yeah, I don't I don't understand what his position on this would be at all. As you mentioned, Massachusetts has brought state charges against him against her. Unless there is a possibility of federal charges being brought to any trying to forest all that because he knows what the state of Massachusetts is going to do. Doesn't make any sense. Also, if Lindsey Clancy were a die hard Trump supporter, I do wonder what would happen.

7:22And by the way, I don't think there's any way that's possible. She's from Massachusetts. She is in a overwhelming state that voted for Kamala Harris. She's educated at elite institutions. She's wealthy. She I think likely is a left wing liberal who is being supported by a lot of left wing liberals. I do wonder though what would happen to her coalition of crazy women if it came out that she was a big Trump supporter, which I actually think would again to your point buck work against her because I think she is using the support of these of all these crazy women to poison the potential jury pool. And again, she was 11 to one one brave soul one man just said, I'm sorry. And I haven't seen him speak publicly. I don't know if he's a listener. It would not stun me. If he were a listener, I would love to hear from him because he's the sole voice of moral authority that was on that jury.

8:22And he's a brave soul for doing what he did. If you want to really know how the online true crime sleuth community is doing, check in on them. There's a lot of, I just have to say there are a lot of mentally unwell women who really latch on to this stuff. It's just you, it's a parent online. And I would just say for people told us this wasn't going to be a story a week or two ago. No, no, this has turned into an enormous, it was the biggest story on Friday and really in the world. Brewster Alley was seeing it on TV screens in France in French news, okay? So it's a big, it's a turn into a very big story CNN lead story everyone lead story. But the true crime female can be it's interesting true crime skews heavily female as a genre. A lot of the now I'm not saying that there's no good. I've listened to not really, but like a couple of episodes of a true crime podcast is to get a sense of it. But it's fine. Some it's very interesting. I get it. Some people have an interest in law and order and crime and all that. But the true crime community online has become very conspiratorial such that Lindsey Clancy's ex-husband is speaking out now and saying,

9:32why are you lunatics trying to make this like bring him into this in any capacity whatsoever? This guy is the ex-husband. He has nothing to do with any of this. But they're finding ways to try to, this is madness. This is online madness for people who also I think play it gives them an opportunity to feel like they're part of a community. And this is true of the Lindsey Clancy stuff, but also think that they're smarter than people that they manifestly are not. And that may sound harsh, but that is true. You haven't figured something out that those of the rest of us who are holding up the load bearing walls of civilization don't know. That's true. And this is true in Charlie Kirk assassination. It's true. A lot of things. There's not some secret that you figured out that we haven't thought of here just putting this out. This is the truth. I would just say, I mean, Lindsey Clancy's attorney would be disbarred if there were any evidence whatsoever that someone else killed her children. And she wasn't having that cited as a defense. We have a couple more cuts from him. This defense attorney buck. Here he is saying Lindsey Clancy is a intelligent, wonderful neighbor, friend, wife, an incredible person.

10:41I think maybe I would push back a little bit on that, but this is what he's saying. Cut five. Anybody that knows Lindsey knows her background. She's very, very intelligent, hardworking theme in the trial that people that knew her as she is a labor and delivery nurse. Well respected in mass general hospital for about nine years. Just a wonderful neighbor, friend, wife, mother, just just an incredible person. Disgusting. Okay. Disgusting. People don't say that nice of things about us buck. And so far we have managed to never be charged with any felony. Much less murdering our own kids. I mean, look, I want to give credit to Timothy Cruz. This is the D.A. Inplimit County mass who erupted after a media member asked, hey, is it insensitive to prosecute Lindsey Clancy? Cut two. What do you say to those people who felt that the whole prosecution was insensitive? What's what? Insensitive. Insensitive. Insensitive is killing three children. Insensitive is ignoring those facts.

11:46We have an obligation to stand up for those people and see justice and make sure that if they get justice and make sure they get justice. So if people don't can't understand that, I don't know how I can answer that. It's an insensitive buck. Yeah, I would be even angrier than that guy was though. I would have, I would have completely erupted. Just I think uncontrollably in the sense that I know it's not going to help him or the case, but insensitive. She murdered three. She strangled the get to death three human being. But I think for some reason for a lot of the women who are Lindsey Clancy defenders, the fact that they're her kids makes it almost like there's some. That makes it worse. Makes it worse than if there were three strangers. Everyone needs to understand that makes it worse. And also it's three human beings that she killed who deserve the full. And this is where this D.A. is coming under the state's attorney. Whatever he is is coming in absolutely correctly. That is the full protection of the state and the judicial system irrespective of what kind of a bad day Lindsey Clancy was having. I would also have this. This is why the lawyer. I mean, he's really he's really given the, you know, the slimy, disgusting lawyer thing new life here.

12:52Lindsey Clancy is not the attorney. I'm sorry, not the prosecutor. The Lindsey Clancy attorney. Clay, she's a she's a wonderful, wonderful person. Would any of you I want to know this for all the Lindsey Clancy defenders out there. For all of people say it's not her fault. You're judging her too harshly. Would you let her be your kids nurse? Would you leave her and charge your children? I wouldn't. Straight up. In fact, I wouldn't want her living near me. I wouldn't want her picking up her children at my school. I wouldn't want her in proximity to me because maybe she's going to flip out grab a kitchen knife and start stabbing everybody. That's reality. So, you know, five million emails. I'll five year old three year old ten month old. I'll the fact that the media member asked if it was insensitive to prosecute her is one of the dumbest questions. And frankly, the most absurd questions that I've ever heard a media member ask, which is truly saying something. Yeah.

13:52Okay, we will take your calls 800-282-282. Your reactions to that as well. A couple of other stories that are out there. We may get into if you want some positives because I know we need some positives, Buck. Do you see this study? Lowest federal workers in 60 years. A lot of people saying what is the impact? Hey, that's a pretty, a pretty impressive one. May get into that. Share some details with you on that because there are some dark stories out there. And hopefully you guys were able to get away from serious things in your life and do what I did over the weekend, which is watch a lot of football. So I'm Michigan, cheat their way to a win. Really more the big ten than Michigan. Saw Florida State unable to actually turn on the lights at their stadium last night. Buck has no idea about any of this stuff. Great win for Ole Miss that made a blonde in the crowd famous. And if you love football as much as I do, as much as Rusted who nearly Rusted bought an NFL franchise back in the day, you can get a hundred bucks right now if you go to hardrock.bet slash clay.

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16:55Aaron Flint is the Republican nominee. I believe the current Congress person in that district is stepping down. And so Jim Jordan are good buddies said, hey, I'd like for you guys to talk with Aaron Flint. Let him tell you about the race that he is running in Western Montana. And it's one of those 17 or so districts that could go potentially either way, Democrats spending a lot of money there. And so we're going to head to Western Montana here in a moment and have that conversation with Aaron Flint also is about Brown, who does really good work reaching out to Gen Z. She is going to be in studio with me here in DC at 230, so about an hour from now to talk about many different issues under the sun, including the Lindsey Clancy case buck. Oh, that's going to be interesting. And we have some callers on that, by the way, stay on hold with us because we have our guests running for Congress coming up in a moment, but we'll talk. We'll take your Lindsey Clancy analysis calls coming up in a moment homeowners learn quickly the difference between what needs repair replacement and what can be put off when your roof needs repair.

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19:12Buck is continuing to be all over the place as well as we're traveling on behalf of the entirety of the of the program. And we had all the way out to western Montana now where a major battleground district is up for grabs. Aaron Flint is the Republican running in western Montana. Aaron we appreciate you coming on our good friend Jim Jordan said you are a fantastic candidate. I know that he has been helping you to raise money. Tell us where your district is what we should know and I know a lot of your constituents are listening, but for people who may not know your name. Tell them what district this is what they need to know and why it's a battleground. Well first off for honor to be on with both of you guys I did a statewide radio show. I was on from 6 am to 10 am right here on these very radio stations that are catching the claim buck shell right now.

20:12So I'm going to be with you guys here this morning. I'm running for Montana's first congressional district. I'm so glad you guys get it. This is a battleground seat here both Republicans and Democrats are targeting this seat right here could be the seat that determines control of the US House of Representatives. And I'm running against a far left aOC endorsed lobbyist from Portland. So we got to keep the crazy out of Montana. We got to stop western Montana from turning into Portland song. So grateful that you guys are featuring this race here western Montana. Okay what is going to decide this race in your mind we know that Montana is overwhelmingly Trump district and Trump state. But your district has a lot of transplants in it. There is cautious optimism on the Democrat side that there have been enough blue stateers that have moved into this district as you just mentioned. Bozeman in particular that might be able to help them put it in play what should Montana's know about this district and what do you think is going to decide the race.

21:21Well I think look you're in Washington DC right now 25 years ago I was in Washington DC. I was a student at Howard University by chance started working for a senator from Montana. And I was there when our country was attacked on 9 11 4 months later I came back to Montana and now you know serving Iraq Afghanistan retired lieutenant colonel and then every day behind that microphone I got to fight for working Montana's back here. What I think this race is going to come down to is long as we get the resources we're going to tell the truth about them they're going to lie about us but I think we get the resources I think folks here in Montana are going to say hey this is a fifth generation Montana. Retire lieutenant colonel combat veteran who's gone to bat for Montana on the flip side my opponent is a far left lobbyist LGBTQ lobbyist from Portland who literally lobbied for all the craziest of the crazy stuff sanctuary cities for illegal aliens men and girls bathrooms men and girls sports he's he lobbied for an outfit that wants to defund the police and and especially something that's hit in our folks here in Montana right now.

22:30He lobbied for higher property taxes and so and whereas I'm a guy I support no tax on tips I've called for no tax on social security for I think nearly a decade while I've been on the radio here in Montana so there's a clear contrast I think as long as we get the resources we can put this thing away. It's good to have you on air and thanks for being here with us and this is I know an important seat it's it's going to be tightly fought contest how can you bring us up a speed here if you would all what you're hearing and how it's being explained to you are brought up to you when you're going out to meet. The perspective voters the cost of living issue which we're almost getting tired of saying it here to talk about it so much but the economy as it affects people for Montana's how is that looking right now and how would you want to play a constructive role in helping people so that they can have their piece of the American dream when you get to Congress.

23:30Yeah that's right we you know that's why I think our message is resonating so much here because we're focused on making the Montana dream affordable again it'll buck reference that they're just a couple of minutes ago because you had all of these folks in the cow states California Oregon and Washington they were fleeing the tyranny and the craziness from the west coast and so they came to states like Montana and so so that you know increased housing prices it was good for our economy but it also was bad in the state. So in the sense that it raised housing prices and so everyday Montana's like us are feeling like we're working harder than ever before and yet we're either barely getting ahead or we're falling behind so that's why I think our message of making the Montana dream affordable again is resonating with everyday folks what what does that mean it means it just trades and trades education it means making a high school degree means something again and it means fixing our forests and making our timber industry great again and then of course mining and manufacturing in America and that's how we're going to make the Montana dream affordable again.

24:30For the people out there I love that you did four hours a day of radio because Buck and I are impressed with anybody that can do live radio as many hours as that is you have to be good on your feet. One of the biggest challenges though is just making people aware of the stakes and also getting some of those Trump voters who may not be traditional voters when Trump is not on the ballot to get out and vote and also to deal with the fact that I'm not going to do that. To deal with the fact that I know this is a huge part of discussion inside of your state that there's a lot of apprehension you said you're a fifth generation Montana with the number of people that are moving in from California from Oregon from states that traditionally vote blue and what that might mean for Montana going forward can you discuss the non traditional voter and why you need those people to show up because there's a lot of left wingers that are now moving into Montana in particular to Montana one that are true. That are trying to take back this district or take this district from Republican hands.

25:35Well you guys get it you know how you'll have that one caller that calls into your radio show and it's the funniest line of the week and that one caller is what is what you remember I was doing the meet and greet at the Montana knife company great facility in Mizzula Montana. And I said that line that I use earlier about we got to keep the crazy out of Montana we got to keep western Montana from turning into Portland. I there was a young lady there who had moved from Portland and she said you know she sometimes the little left on some issues a little right on some other issues but she said when you said that line about keeping western Montana from turning into Portland it really resonated with her because she said she said she had to get out of there you know the far left is just destroyed Portland. And she said she said even her gay friends are leaving Portland because it's getting so bad and Portland right now so I got a kick out of that line but on a serious note it will see I think we'll find out this November you know what's been happening with our demographics because I tell you what I've met so many great Americans out there that you know when all the tyranny was happening in these recent years in places like California.

26:43I you know my family homesteaded here we go back several generations so obviously I care deeply about this land I fought for this country I fought for this land but I tell you what there's some folks that are new here to Montana that they hooked up their campers to their pickup and they traveled the west and when they landed here they said this is it this is where we're going to raise our families in faith and in freedom kind of like the pioneers of old and so I we just need every single one of those folks look. This race is incredibly important not just to the future of the country we put aside the fact that this race could determine control the US House of Representatives I care deeply about the future of this great state of Montana and if a far left aOC endorsed socialist a mongdani of Montana were to win in Montana what would that mean for the future of Montana hack what would that mean for the future of the United States of America remaining a free republic. These are the people who who made everything so unaffordable in the first place when you think about the massive government spending in the inflationary policies and so and and into our national audience right now look it's crazy when the mongdani socialist and the aOC folks winning a place like New York City.

27:57But if we allow them to win in a place like Montana if we allow them the far left to win in a state like Montana in the heartland what do you think that's going to mean for the future of America. You have a lot of independence as I understand it in your state right something you and Clay and I have been been looking at here as we're as we're having this discussion I mean you we can pull up the data so you a lot of people who are up for up for grabs is the messaging to them well you tell me actually what are you telling me. Tell somebody who is because on the one hand you got to get Republicans in your district come out and vote that's obviously a key part meaning to turn out piece of the equation this is what everyone's going to be talking about at least in part going into this election then there's also the the persuadables your message of you don't want the far left there okay what do you want to do for people when you get to Congress what do you say to the persuadables about action you want to take. Know you're exactly right yeah so yesterday labor day I'm at the labor day union picnic in but America for those that don't know but America but is the Irish Catholic union democrat stronghold but I'm getting union support great union support picked up the carpenters union endorsement we've had leaders incredible leaders from the iron workers union on hand for that endorsement as well I think what you're seeing is I think.

29:22The everyday blue collar working trades union folks and even non-union blue collar folks they just had enough of their jobs being shut down and you think about it you know my opponent is this far left lobbyist who fought to get men and girls bathrooms find me a hard working blue collar union guy that supports that type of BS right and then on top of that they flooded this country with illegal aliens to undermine their wages and to take away their jobs on the flip side. Look Senator Tim she he's a Navy SEAL veteran I served in the Army got to spend a few years with an army special operations. Tim she he is showing that even as the FNG show we say the new guy to use a military acronym he's shown that that a Montana Republican can even work with California Democrats sounds crazy but a Montana Republican can work with California Democrats to try to fix our forests and to finally start cleaning up our forests and in revitalizing the country. And in revitalize our timber industry and I think we can capitalize on those types of efforts regardless of which party is in power there's going to be close margins so we've got to work together to deliver for the American people I think we can do it on trades and trades education I think we can also ban congressional stock trading I'm hearing that from friends on both sides of the aisle that we have got to crack down on congressional stock trading we need to pass a balanced budget amendment and if they can't balance the budget then they shouldn't get paid but I think there's a few deliverables where we're shooting.

30:50And we're showing that even an FNG like Navy SEAL veteran Tim she can get back there and get some stuff done and work with the other side without compromising your principles. If people want to help Montana one we need you guys to get out and vote what do they need to do what should they know what can you ask of them. Hey I'll tell you what go to Flint for Montana dot com right now donate what you can to the campaign whether it's five bucks or whether you can do a lot more we are also running our own ground campaign we're not waiting for somebody else to get the job done we're running our own door to door door door door knocking ground campaign operation this also if you're able to donate to that effort I'll tell you what it's a ton of fun watching these young people get out there and get these folks out to vote and tell them moving real Montana. I'm going to tell Montana AF America first. Freedom fire is by the way I get if you go to our Flint for Montana dot com website I play and back I need to get you guys a Montana AF t-shirt it stands for my name Aaron Flint stands for America first and apparently the kids think it stands for something else as well.

32:00I think we would get in trouble if I said what it might also stand for under FCC violations as you well know because you did four hours a day for a long time at Montana get out and vote for him he's Montana AF Aaron Flint we appreciate it let us know how we can help and good luck out there on the trail. Thanks chance greatly appreciate it God bless you that's Aaron Flint in Montana one one of the battlegrounds eights that will decide who controls the Congress come November. When severe weather hits power grid goes down what's one of the first things to fail likely your cell phone service in critical moments standard cell towers overload leaving you with no service or that satellite icon for emergency calls to authorities only that's why you need to wrap it radios rugged emergency communication devices built for the moments that matter most operating over nationwide LT networks they deliver instant push to talk communication coast to coast so you can check in with the entire family. Engineer to withstand extreme conditions these waterproof radios have a long battery life clear audio dependable range whether coordinating with neighbors checking in on family states away connection instantaneous rapid radios turnkey right out of the box no contracts no setups rapid radios the standard and emergency and operational readiness I believe I saw them on the field last night during the Florida state game when the power went out inside of that facility for a limited time you can see that the

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34:31It's where he's coming to us for he's not saying that she's right he's coming to us to just for so sanity here so he's sorry so what yeah so what did you tell her. I said I said well what I mean why why it's like you were saying earlier clay is her attorney would be disborded if he had not explored that her possibility thoroughly and done the research so but she's like oh no no you know it's is definitely possibility no emotion she doesn't remember saying she's just believing him because oh you did it and there and you said clay earlier last week I think she showed no I mean how can you sit there and stand your shoulder for three full minutes and not it's evil be up. And then again I do think thank you for the call and I want to hammer this home because I'm sure that many of you out there but you and I have talked about the fact that people have come to us that we know and trust in our otherwise reasonable rational humans saying the husband did it.

35:31The the attorneys would all be disborded the prosecutors would all be disborded the police who investigated this case would all be sued into the high heavens it is a 0% chance that the husband was involved in any way in these murders so I'm just telling you as a lawyer anyone who is arguing this has had no experience whatsoever ever in the criminal justice system or in any investigation of a severe crime in their entire lives and they are not just wrong they are 100 billion. So this is important you clip this you share it with them they're wrong and I understand the desire buck out there particularly in a conspiratorial era to convince yourself that there is something that is more significant here at play there isn't I would also point this out and I think this is really important she managed to kill all three of her kids and not herself. I am telling you she did not want to kill herself buck it is not that hard to kill yourself I hate to say it it's not if you went through the trouble of strangling all three of your kids to the point where they were all dead she has nowhere with all to kill herself in a way that is certain and she didn't do it I would submit that intentional all of this was about coming up with an excuse for why she wasn't responsible even these like so.

36:54And supposedly did you see the pictures of her like cuts.