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Little music?

Wow, seamless.

Yeah.

Rayby, honest now, that was you or that was a malfunction?

It was a malfunction.

Okay, nice.

By the way, yesterday I told you and I stand by it that I think Rayman looked a little sleepy,

a little tired.

Yeah, not at all today.

How's that possible?

I'm telling you.

I'm just telling you what I see.

Today, Ray looks like a million bucks.

I feel way worse than I did.

I'm not saying how you feel.

I'm saying how you look today.

You got to go on.

I don't know how that's possible.

How was that roll this morning?

Rolls-a-leets.

Yeah.

It was an elite roll.

Butter and everything.

Butter, softness.

Might be for peasants for some people.

Not for me.

No.

That was not a great couple of days.

So I heard.

Yeah.

So the unfortunate thing in Rayman is you can never leave again.

Yeah.

Well, maybe be nice to know.

Like if you say maybe don't say you look terrible.

Right.

When he's not really tired.

Like I mean, that's just you could have said today.

I didn't say he looks terrible.

I said he looks exhausted.

No, but the insinuation when you say someone looks tired is they don't look great.

Well, the guy slept like 30 minutes the night before.

He didn't look great.

Today he looks better than he did yesterday.

I take your role in the dice when you say stuff like that.

All right.

Well, you know what?

I'm an honesty broker and this is what I do.

Right.

I'm telling you.

It's it's not the equivalent, but it's close to,

hey, what do you do?

Oh, I'm not pregnant.

No.

Congratulations on the baby.

I did that once on that.

I will never.

A woman can be crowning.

And I will never, ever, ever say again.

What do you do?

Because you told me that story.

I will see women that like you said,

like could potentially have the baby on the floor.

And I won't say anything.

Don't you never have to and I want and I want to touch the belly too,

but I won't do it.

You you would touch a stranger's belly.

No, I wouldn't.

I want to though.

That's that's highly dangerous.

I don't why don't do it.

Joe Zirita sends me an email.

He says, Dave, I love the show,

but your next takes are making me crazy.

He keeps complaining.

I don't know.

I certainly know it's complaining about D.O.R.

shooting too much.

He's shooting 42% on threes.

He needs to shoot when he's open.

That game that he would at whatever shot 13 for them made made

and he just took a lot in garbage time.

No, I'm not as much bothered with him shooting the ball

every time he's touches it.

He's open.

I'm more bothered by the fact that he does that.

But Carlisth and he towns does not practice that.

That's what frustrates me.

It's more the willingness to do it.

It's your part.

Right, like he's open.

He thinks of himself.

I'm a big time score.

I'm letting it fly.

And then you have a guy who should be a big time score.

Who's an all NBA caliber player.

Who for some reason doesn't practice that.

That's what frustrates me.

Who's playing great, by the way, at the top of his game.

Right.

Give me more.

That's it.

That's all you're asking for is a little bit more.

Yeah, just give me a little bit more.

Al in Holbrook is on ESPN New York.

Good morning, Al.

Good morning, guys.

Good morning, guys.

I want to start off first with a positive.

I've been with you guys.

Looking through you guys for many, many years.

I want to say Rick, your reach I've gotten close.

I had to say it.

Thank you.

Appreciate that.

That means no problem, no problem.

Yeah, a top man for me, Al or only Rick.

You've always been below the point.

Okay.

You know what that is now?

You guys are one in one A now.

Who's the Brunson?

I'm not going to answer that question.

I love you guys both.

All right.

Now, but I do have a little bone to pick with you guys.

To say that the mix are not in the same class as Detroit.

I think you guys don't don't say you guys.

That's what Dave said.

That's what I said.

Not only did I say it, I stand by it.

Okay.

Okay.

Then I got this next line for you.

Okay.

Not so long ago.

And I've visually remembered.

Yes.

Please, please, please, please.

Please don't do the Boston thing from last year.

Please don't do it.

No, but listen, listen, listen, let me explain.

It was said that often the thing

that the next Boston strength is the next weakness.

Boston shot up a lot of threes.

Next, don't defend the three well.

Okay.

And then the playoffs came.

My point, my point is.

Right.

What was that?

Yeah.

But on one second, because I had this good conversation.

Was that because we defended the three well

or Boston just didn't shoot the three well?

Well, honestly, it doesn't matter.

What happens is the playoffs is a different animal.

When you play a team four times, spread out over a course of a regular season,

you're not a team.

The going to win.

They're between the hoop.

They got beat up overnight before by a different team.

Can I ask you a question?

No, I'll, can I ask you a question?

So and that was, I can't stand the Celtics.

It's a team I dislike the most in the NBA.

When you got to the end of that series,

did you say to yourself, man, the nicks are better than the Celtics?

Or did you say to yourself, man, the next Scott,

I don't know, somewhat fortunate to have just beaten the Celtics in that series.

All right, listen, I subscribe to you are with the back of your card.

Say you are.

If the next beat, the Boston Celtics in a seven game series,

then the nicks are better.

It's not like football or anything to win one game.

This is a series.

So the next beat, the next beat you in a seven game series back to back,

then it's well within my right to say the nicks are better than Boston.

Okay, you could say whatever you want.

I don't know that I necessarily agree that last year,

the nicks were better than Boston.

I think the nicks got very, very fortunate.

Again, I take nothing away.

It's great. I was thrilled about it.

But I think they got very, very fortunate to beat Boston in that series.

I'm just looking here.

So I'm going back.

I mean, Boston led by 20 plus points in the first two games.

Right. So first game.

So I'll just use the first game, for example.

So the nicks were down 20 with five 47 left in the third quarter.

This is the crazy stat because you don't even remember this.

Because you just mentioned the threes.

So in that game and game one, the Celtics were 15 for 60 from three.

They shot 60 threes, which is in how many shots did they take?

Do you have that?

I don't have the exact, no, but I have so here, I'll give you one.

This is just the second half.

So this is when we made our comeback, right?

I told you less than six minutes in the third quarter.

In the second half of the game, second half and OT.

The Celtics took 49 shots in the second half and OT.

Try to guess how many of those were threes?

40.

37 of the 49 shots were threes.

19 of their 20 shots in the third quarter were threes.

19 of how many?

19 of 20 in the third quarter were threes.

So every shot they took, but one was a three pointer in the third quarter.

Yeah, that's right.

Again, I was thrilled about it.

I looked back so fondly in that series.

I don't want to hear about, you know,

they, they only lost the series because it's a team because I think that's garbage.

You argue all you want.

The nicks got fortunate to win that series.

And then again, two, they were down 18 with 437 left in the third quarter.

I mean, you know what's amazing?

It's like the same deficit with the same amount of time.

And Boston just continued to play the exact same game.

Like, it's wild that they won't deviate from their game plan,

which at those specific moments just wasn't working.

I think in game two, they were 10 of 40 from three.

So they took 100 threes in the first two games and made 30.

They had 10 in game two and they had 15, 25, 25.

So they shot 25% from three in the first two games of the series.

Yeah.

Well, whatever.

What is that next?

Yes, the next down 20 with 312 left in the third quarter.

That's a two game.

Listen, it happened.

We won.

I mean, that's all that matters, but still.

But it doesn't mean you weren't fortunate.

Yeah, I don't know if that's again, like is that is that repeatable?

No, it's not repeatable.

But it's also why he's like, well, you know,

the one thing that they did well, we didn't do well.

I don't know if that was like actually we figured it out.

Now we said, now we're making it so hard from three or it was just,

hey, this is what we do.

We're just going to keep hoisting.

Well, you know, it's funny though, listen to the amount of Nick's fans today.

They'll be like, well, we shot so badly from three and that's not going to happen again.

So if it's not going to happen to the next again,

is it going to happen to the Celtics or whoever else again?

Right, but that again, I think why you struck a nerve is because just in general,

like if you make somebody feel like you're in a different class,

it's like, it's really offensive.

Oh, then, then you know what?

Prove me wrong.

I go prove me wrong.

I want you to prove me wrong.

I know it feels like you're doing this on purpose.

It feels like you like you're actually trying to will us into existence

that you like, you want them to make you look like you are an idiot.

Should I preach it?

I would love it.

I'm not one of these people that has a take and will want to die on the hill of that take.

I want, like if I said the giants are going to be good,

I want the giants to be good.

I want them to prove me wrong.

Like if I think the Cowboys are going to win games, I hope that doesn't happen.

I don't want to be right, but I just, I tell you things the way I see things.

It, but it feels like almost like there's a little piece of you like this,

this, this genius that you are that they decided when you were writing this,

maybe subconsciously to use that word as like motivation.

Maybe, you know, because I can see that I'm the kind of person that maybe likes to,

I don't know, be a little prickly at times.

No, but I could see you coming to the locker room and like that was like,

like a her Brooks moment where it's like you just lost the Detroit and it's not like,

hey, they're just better than us.

You guys aren't even in the same class and then walk out and kind of drop the mic.

And these guys, like, will mean you guys the same class.

Now deal with it.

Yeah, right.

Tim Bontemps, he's a big time reporter at ESPN.

Yep.

He was in studio.

We had Renon.

They had Bontemps yesterday on DHR.

He said, real path, Nixon, go to the finals.

I know they've struggled against Detroit,

but I don't trust Detroit and the playoffs.

I don't trust James Hardin, the Cavs and the playoffs.

Let's see what happens with the Celtics.

I would probably pick the Celtics as of today,

but I don't feel great about that either.

And the next probably of the most talent.

So I would say, while I understand the frustrations,

they are 15 and four in their last 19 games.

They have been a very good team.

And if they make a run in the playoffs and they're playing in the finals in June,

then all is going to be well with Mike Brown.

And that's 100% accurate.

If the nicks go on over.

But why not ask him though?

Like, is if they ask him in the fall-up,

like, oh, so tell me exactly why

after what you've seen from Detroit so far this season,

you don't trust them in the playoffs.

Outside of lack of experience.

I don't know.

RJ, you were the one that listened to that interview

and cut it up.

Did they ask why you don't trust Detroit?

Just because maybe they haven't been there before?

Yeah, I think it was just basically

that they have one of the playoffs here.

And what, 20 years?

Yeah, it's been quite some time.

Then on the flip side, he was asked by the guys,

well, what do you worry about with the nicks?

The nicks, under Tom DeBito, had a very clear identity.

I don't think this team has a very clear identity.

Under Mike Brown, I think that's part of the

where people get frustrated with the inconsistencies

in their play.

It is why, like I even said, on Sports Center today.

Like, they are 15 and 4 in their last 19 games.

You should be excited about that.

But then three of the four losses in there

are loud, ugly losses to teams

you're fighting in the Eastern Conference standings.

And that, you know, that is the kind of thing

you would talk to Don before about the games people remember.

Like, when the standard is,

we have to get to the finals for the first time since 99.

The games that are going to stand out

are against the teams that are going to be in your way

to get to the finals.

Um, we could discuss this too.

We're blue in the face.

It's going to the postseason is what matters.

That's what matters.

Right. But he, I mean, that's a, it's a good point, though.

I mean, that is the point.

It's what you do against these other teams.

No one really cares about.

But those are games you're expected to win.

Right. Like, you beat Toronto, uh, whatever.

And then today's the day the people are really,

you know, anti or bullish or whatever you want to say on the next.

Those are the games they're going to move the needle for people to call

and get involved in the next conversation.

Right. I mean, it's, it's no different than any,

whatever the sport is, whoever your team is.

If your team is expected to, to make a run to a championship,

like, you know, they're going to be a playoff team.

And then now you're looking at, okay,

what are the teams that are going to stand in our way?

And how do we match up against those teams?

So anytime you play those teams,

like, I'm sure it's the same as like when the Buffalo Bills

play the chiefs in the regular season, right?

The chiefs that they have stood in our way.

How do we look against the chiefs this season?

Now it ends up not mattering in the postseason for them

because they end up beating the chiefs, but you know what I mean?

Like when we play Canada, what does it look like?

Like in the four nations, we play Canada in the round rub.

What does it look like?

How do we match up?

Well, we won that game.

Good. So now you got all sorts of confidence going into the,

into the finals, right?

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How many people would you say millions, right,

walk the streets of New York City?

Bots, yeah.

Millions, right?

Yep.

So I had a lunch yesterday,

57th and 7th in that general vicinity.

Okay.

And good lunch, south lunch, eight very healthy.

Leave the lunch walking

west on 57th Street, okay?

Yep.

And I noticed well down the block,

because there's a long block there,

well down the block.

There's a man in a jet's hat,

a jet's sweatshirt,

a jet's jacket,

and maybe more,

but that's a minimum of what I saw.

There's the ass man.

And I thought to myself,

this is too much.

This is, come on, man.

It's, it's March.

You're not going to a game.

You're not on your way to the draft.

It's a Wednesday afternoon,

and you're decked out in just jets,

jets, jets.

So my thought is,

it's kind of pathetic, right?

And I'm being honest with you.

Well, but that's another word.

So that's like it would get back

to the class conversation.

Right.

It gets pathetic.

So it's one of those,

it's a trigger word is what you're saying.

Exactly right.

Okay.

So do I want a trigger

or do I want to just tone it down then?

I think you've already done,

I think you've already triggered.

I've already triggered.

All right, so then I'll re-trigger.

I see this person down there,

and I think, oh my god,

this is, this is loser doing,

like this kind of pathetic.

And the closer the loser gets to me,

I'm like,

it almost looks like the ass man.

I'm a lesbian.

And then as he gets closer and closer and closer,

that is the ass man.

No way.

Yeah.

So of a city,

of a city with how many million people roaming the streets,

I cross-peds with the ass.

I'm a lesbian.

All right.

Now here's the,

here's the real question.

Yeah.

Okay.

This is the litmus test as to whether or not Dave is a good guy

or a bad guy.

I didn't say anything to him.

He said nothing.

No.

So you noticed,

as I'm sure a lot of people noticed,

that the man is fully decked out in Jets, Jets gear,

and you thought it was pathetic,

and you're like,

look at this loser,

and you didn't say, hey, Jake.

No.

Like, hat fine.

Maybe just the jacket fine.

Right.

But wearing a full-team issued uniform,

and I think if memory serves correctly,

not only was he wearing Jets gear,

it was like Jets ass man gear too.

Like his own

product was,

Was he fresh off a podcast, maybe?

I don't, I don't know.

Wow.

Well, and then I tried to give him some like life advice.

Yep.

And he was like, no, I don't agree.

What was the life advice?

No, I can't get into the specifics here.

I told RJ off the air.

What did RJ think about the life advice?

RJ, what do you think that was like sound advice?

Yeah, I think so.

I mean, he's got a brand.

Maybe, maybe he gets recognized more

out in the public than we know about.

And he wants to make sure if that happens.

Right.

But there's, I mean,

there's a difference between having a brand

and then just being...

Well, I think he's good and I think he has a brand

and I think what he was doing in this instance

is not good for any of that.

And I told him, I said,

I don't know that this is great for your career.

And he's like, don't worry about it.

I got it.

Oh, I know what you're talking about then.

But thank you.

Yeah, I go, I know exactly what you said to him.

I got it.

Okay.

I thought terrible advice.

And I was really like decent about it.

I wasn't like giving a hard time.

I was like, I don't know that that's great for you.

It's not the first time you said this advice.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah, so I know what it is.

Yeah.

And he was like, don't worry about it.

I got it.

All right.

You know what he said?

He looked me in the eyes.

He goes, I'm the S-man.

Yeah, right.

He's like, shut, you go, keep your mouth shut.

You little fella.

I was like, okay.

It's all right.

It's my career working out.

Will you have the draft?

No.

No, was I at the combo?

No.

No.

No.

Is he going to be at the draft too?

Probably.

That's work.

I mean, it would be like right next to Gidele, but probably

announce the Jets pick.

Can you see Gidele like the first round Gidele does in a second

round and the Jets have two second round picks that

increases the chances for the Jets second round pick.

We'd like to introduce the S-man fully decked out.

And then goes up there.

It may be flies down like Howard Stern didn't in fart man.

You know, I would imagine he's going to be there.

We have four picks on the top 40 for he's going to be there.

You think he's just going to be off to the side doing a show?

Yeah.

How does this happen?

He does it himself.

He goes to Radio Row for the Super Bowl.

He's got a serious podcast.

He's a superhero's what he is.

Wow, for you a superhero to call another person a superhero.

That's a big, that's a great phrase.

It's remarkable.

Well, I'm not the ass man.

So he's, but he doesn't dress up like with glasses on

and pretend to be a photographer.

He dresses up as a loser.

He dresses, yes.

He dresses up as someone that doesn't have it all going on.

By the way, before I left, he says to me goes, can we get a selfie?

No, he didn't.

Okay, we take a selfie.

I said, what are you doing?

It does.

I want to send it to the girl I'm seeing.

She's in love with you.

Oh, no.

Yep.

Well, at least he's seeing somebody.

Yeah, well, that's nice.

Because you might think someone like that wouldn't.

Well, I mean, the way you just described him,

you'd probably lean towards doesn't.

Yeah.

But, and apparently his, I don't know if it's a girlfriend

or girl he's dating, she's in love with me.

Well, she's a psychotic sports friend that if she,

most people that love you are crazy sports.

Yeah, maybe I don't know the first thing about her,

but except that she has really good taste.

Right, she's a big fan of the show Ray Nozzar.

Ray, you know her?

I met her in the suite a few weeks ago.

What does she look like?

She's a big girl.

She's a pretty big girl.

She's a big girl.

No, I think she's really big.

She's a pretty girl.

Oh, no, she's a big fan of the show.

Really?

She loves the show as a whole.

I don't know, specifically a fan.

I'm telling you what she's a fan of the show.

I'm telling you what he said.

No, but she's a fan of the show.

Did she, was she impressed to meet you?

Yes, actually, really.

Yeah, did you hug her?

No, it's the first time I met her.

Okay, so, no.

Ray, is it like, so she's such a big fan of the show

when you meet her?

What if she like to take you to the side like,

well, the ass man goes to the bathroom.

It's like, I'm such a big fan.

No, we don't.

What, how about if she said, if she said,

the only reason I'm dating the ass man,

is to get to you.

That's very uncomfortable.

That's not what happened.

Touch me.

I said, date me.

You go there.

Date me.

Take me for pizza.

What if, if, do you?

Okay, here's my question.

No, the answer is no.

If you met her and just hit it off to the point,

you're, oh, god, I just love a first sight.

I love a first sight.

It was like one of those, one of those moments.

Oh, my goodness.

One of those moments where you, you, you, you, you connect

with the eyes connect.

Yeah.

And it's just like, there's free flowing conversation.

She goes, listen, I like Jake.

There's other flow.

It's just, I mean, it's all of it.

But I, but, okay, I don't think that's okay.

Take me out for dinner.

I don't think that's okay.

Do you do it?

Do you do it?

No.

If you feel, if you, if you feel that,

that whole of it, this could be it.

This could be it.

Hello, is this a cowboy's, she's a cowboy's fan.

It's the song.

Is this working?

No, it's a cowboy's fan, right?

No, well, see, here's the thing.

I don't think this whole thing with Jake's not working out.

I really want.

If she says, Jake and I know, Jake and I know

that there is zero chance we're going to get married.

I don't know what happens with us,

but I have a real strong connection.

I do not care for your hypotheticals right now.

I do not.

I do not.

What if she's like, I really like you to join us in the bedroom.

But why do you, why do you go there?

Why does it always come out there?

I'm trying to get a gauge for what he's be willing to do, Dave.

Not what you said.

You said she's very pretty.

And if she took a liking to you, she loves the show,

she kind of knows your personality.

No, no, that'd be wrong.

It'd be very mean to Jake.

Oh, how about this?

How about this?

How about if you said that Jake, Jake,

I want to respectfully make the play for her.

Yes, I can see that.

Let's have a duel.

Would you do that?

I can see that going over really well.

Hey, respectfully.

I'm trying to stay a new girl.

Ray, what if you also find out that she's

dressed as a jeep and she juggles ducks.

And she also fixes up her own jeep and changes her oil.

Come on.

Cowboys fan.

Quick, quick.

Sunday ticket.

Wow.

Are you done?

Works two jobs.

She makes a flon like you read about.

Right.

None of this is work.

Loves coffee beans.

None of this is work.

We'll smuggle coffee beans for you.

Wow, it's love is what that is.

There's a lot.

There's a lot of projecting going on here.

In the midst of your story, I was also thinking,

do you think that like just regular people

that don't have radio shows went like the day of our breakfast

when you lost the bet and went home?

And we're like, honey, you couldn't believe what I saw

in the street today.

A grown man dressed in a,

in a children's cowboys uniform,

carrying a bag of 100% was walking down the street.

That's exactly asking for asking for oatmeal.

Yeah.

Do you believe that that created conversation

for all the people that walked the earth?

You're confident of that.

Yes, I think everyone in that restaurant also,

because how was your day today?

It was great.

How was work?

Really good.

You're not going to believe this.

As I was eating a turkey club,

a man who appeared to be off

ordered oatmeal and sat there eating it

through a football helmet.

No, but he didn't order oatmeal.

You just wanted to know if they had.

All right.

And then he's like, would you like something?

You're like, no, I don't want oatmeal.

That's right.

And then you gave some poor guy

that didn't even work there.

Your credit card.

That's not true.

Could you take this?

No, I know that's not what happened.

RJ, can you at least defend me here?

It was a guy that didn't work there on me.

That's what I want.

Go up my leg.

Do my inseam.

That's what I want.

Whatever you want.

That's what I want.

I want you to press my bottom

when you put the pants on.

That's what I want.

I handed it to a guy

that you guys were uncertain work there

that I did believe work there.

Who handed it to another guy,

who ran the credit card.

This is a child.

A child.

No, that was one of the great days of the show.

Yeah.

I believe that was a tremendous day.

I was on.

He's giggling.

You're not in here.

You're not in the heart of the beast

where he's giggling at me.

I was a little concerned at one point.

You were too on.

That might have been the best I've ever been.

Yeah, you know what?

You might be right.

We were right up against the line of need to,

you know, down and out,

but you were great.

You were great.

I still stand by the thing

and I may never get to see it the way my picks go

that I would absolutely love to see

is Ray walking a dog that's not wrong.

No, guess what?

I would like that to be the purpose.

I would like that to be his punishment and perpetuity.

No, if he ever loses.

No, stand up comedy next year.

They are now Santiago.

But could you just imagine those standing at the corner

like waiting for the light to turn and then raise like fake dog

is like like jump like bar fake bark.

Yeah, and he's and he pulls the leash to stop it.

Stop it.

Bans are stop and then he turns like the woman next to him

waiting to cross.

He's like, I'm sorry.

He always does this around here.

Yeah, where he says he says sit and obviously the dog can't sit

and then he gives it a treat.

The problem is I would not be able to keep a straight face

with it.

You have to.

You have to.

You know how I you know what?

I played the role.

Good boy.

I was like dusted off in a net cowboys attire.

Latest odds.

Here we go.

Latest odds for Ty Simpson.

The Jets.

What do you think?

The Jets and number one.

Jets and number one.

Yeah.

Raymond, what do you think?

Steelers.

Steelers.

RJ, what do you think?

Odds to at the moment land Ty Simpson.

Since you're asking I will also say the Jets.

You will say the Jets.

You and Rick are.

Correct.

The Jets are plus 250.

So two and a half to one.

To land Ty Simpson.

I looked in numerous different sports books.

One of them has them plus 250.

And the other one actually has them plus 220.

And the one that has them plus 220 is bet three six five.

They have the Steelers.

Ray, you're right.

And number two.

We're plus 450 by the dolphins at plus 500 by the Cardinals at plus 550.

So in this one, the Jets are prohibitive favorites to land.

Ty Simpson.

Where do you think though?

That's not with two.

No, no, no way.

So what do you think?

And you think in the 16th and 16th or I'm thinking packaged back in a Jackson dark

kind of situation and land them late in the first round.

Because if you're going to do what you want to do with the Jets,

did you want to get him in the first round, right?

Well, you'd like to have the fifth year off.

Exactly.

So yeah, that's what I would think.

Ah, man, I don't know.

I mean, here's my question.

Do you feel like the Jets can draft Ty Simpson and learn him?

Learn enough about him in one year.

And know whether you need to take a quarterback or not next year.

Well, not even.

I mean, can they win enough games?

I mean, are we doing?

Because I mean, I felt like with Brian Dable,

after I'm this is a guy who want to play off game, right?

That it was, well, it's got to be one, one of the other.

It's got to be either you win games or Jackson dark flashes.

Like not only the Jackson dark flash, right?

I mean, you won games with Jackson dark.

Your offense actually look good with Jackson dark,

because you lost some of the games you lost.

He ends up getting fired.

And now, I mean,

if Jackson dark wasn't that version of Jackson dark,

this a real chance coach comes in and is like,

no, no, I don't want Jackson dark to be my quarterback.

Absolutely.

Like, so that could also happen.

But, but do you think, I think, do you really believe in one year

that you could see enough from Ty Simpson to say, you know what,

we have the third pick,

but we don't need to take Dante more because we have Ty Simpson.

Yeah, you know, I think you could.

Yeah, I think you could.

So how do you feel about potentially drafting Ty Simpson?

It makes me nervous because I don't think the Jets have shown the ability

and I don't care who the coach is to develop to develop.

Yeah, we're to have the patience to do it.

I mean, all of it, just think about good school back,

all the quarterbacks that they've drafted have played immediately.

Right, I mean, is that, is that, will that be the Ty Simpson's benefit?

Uh, you wouldn't think so.

The one thing I would say is to their benefit is A, Frank Reich,

and B, the offensive line is good.

Right, which is fine, but is Ty Simpson ready?

Oh, no, I mean, I can't, I can't answer that.

He didn't ready to me.

Right, so he said 15 starts.

Now, I mean, is he a kid that can, that can deal with the adversity

and the ups and downs?

I mean, he'd be, he would be one of the few that have been able,

like, maybe the only one that's been able to deal with what the Jets offer.

It's, it's not an easy road to go down.

No, it isn't.

And especially now when you have a coach that feels like he's in the hot seat,

like how patient are you going to be?

So whoever you bring in, right, like you build the quarterback room,

the way that the Giants built the quarterback room, which is a good room.

And then you have whoever it ends up being starts the first couple games,

Jets lose, he doesn't look good.

What, what are we talking about?

We all want to see Ty Simpson.

Like, that's if they actually, they'll bring in a veteran that's going to start games

and they don't just start Ty Simpson is okay.

Now it's what, what's the week?

Week four, we see Ty Simpson?

Is he ready?

I don't know.

Right, but you, like, if they're Owen three and they can run out of the building,

you know, people are going to be screaming.

Even the people that would say, don't play him for the year.

If they're Owen three and they are dysfunctional,

you'll get people screaming from all over.

Get him on the field.

It just happened.

It always happens.

Right, but I mean, we just saw it again.

Like, I mean, we saw it and I worked out with Jackson Dark because he was ready,

but we saw it.

But it, oh, it, that's the thing.

Even if you say it's not going to happen,

people cannot control themselves.

It always happens.

Right. So, I mean, that's again, like, that's,

that's part of my concern with this whole thing is.

So I think that Ty Simpson could be like, if developed the right way,

it could be a good quarterback.

Yeah, I mean, I think you saw glimpses of that last season before he got hurt.

But he again falls into that category where he's only had 15 career starts.

And that list of quarterbacks isn't a great list.

Oh, it's not a great list.

And, and by the way, and I didn't realize this, he's not that big of a kid.

He's like six one.

Yeah, he's not that big.

No.

So, I don't know.

I don't know what they're going to do.

But it is certainly one of the great store lines of, of the old season here.

Yeah, I mean, you got, you got four picks.

So you have the ability to,

you have the ability, whatever you want to do.

Right.

Right. So you figure out, I mean, again, like he's one of the names that you keep hearing.

Right. He went from, you know, second round, gets to the combine,

and now he's back into the first round.

So it's a quarterback.

And you know how people feel about quarterbacks.

I do.

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What we're thinking about the quarterback situation,

so many, not that there's a ton of great options,

but there's a lot of different options the jets could move in different

directions.

On the Michael K. Show, Brian Costello, who covers the jets,

was as will they be interested in former Arizona quarterback,

Kyler Murray.

The bigger piece that I struggled with, Michael, is why would Kyler Murray pick the jets?

Right.

If you're in Kyler Murray shoes right now,

you've kind of got to get your career back on track.

Are the New York jets the team you feel like you can do that with?

Or are you going to go to the Minnesota Vikings, let's say,

with Kevin O'Connor and Justin Jeperstand or someone else

that's a little more stable and closer to winning?

Money is not a consideration here, as you just mentioned.

The Cardinals are paying him $36 million this year no matter what.

Whatever a team pays him now just comes out of that $36 million.

So he's going to sign for the minimum.

He's going to be paying for $1.6 million somewhere.

So it's not like you can blow him out of the water

with a contract offer and get him here.

So for that reason, Michael, I don't think it's going to be a match.

Which I think you're fine with, right?

Yeah, I'm fine with it.

But I mean, here's what I would say to that.

Is Minnesota, yes, right?

Defense, weapons, all those different things.

But you also have, you know, you also have JJ McCarthy there.

Right?

So like, I mean, there is...

Right, it's a guarantee that you're going to be

starting quarterback on Minnesota.

Right, but how long I mean, if you struggle, right?

Like, I mean, we're not paying you anything.

We invested what we've already invested in JJ McCarthy.

Like, there will be a quick hook in Minnesota.

Even if he wins the job right away,

the second he struggles,

you know they really want JJ McCarthy.

They want JJ McCarthy to win the perfect world.

JJ McCarthy wins the job.

You know, if they sign Kyler Murray

in a perfect world for Minnesota, he never plays.

Right, exactly right.

It's just that it's a good...

It's a good insurance policy in case you know,

JJ McCarthy gets hurt, which he has.

Or turns out, JJ McCarthy is not that good

and then it's his job.

Pittsburgh Steelers, another option potentially, right?

I mean, give me the list of all the offensive weapons

in the good offensive line that the Pittsburgh Steelers have.

That to me is not a marriage.

Kyler Murray in the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Right, so we can say all these nasty things about the jets.

Why would he choose the jets?

Well, I'll tell you why he would choose the jets

because he would be the starting quarterback.

Right, and there's only so many of those jobs.

Right, and on top of that,

they have a good offensive line.

They got a damn good running back.

They got a damn good wide receiver.

They have a young tight end.

I think it's going to be good.

And they also have a ton of money to spend.

And they have four picks on the top 44.

But you do not want him.

No, I don't want him just because I think what they need

is someone that's going to step in that locker

and be able to lead it.

Right, like they're trying to...

The culture hasn't changed yet.

That's clear.

Right, like to go from what you had

where you start 0 and 7

and the pieces that you thought were going to be,

you know, foundational culture pieces, you're traded.

Now they got a great return.

But you thought sauce was going to be one of those guys.

You just extended them.

You thought Quinn and Williams

was going to be a jet for life.

He's gone.

So, I mean, you need someone that's going to step in that room

at the most important position

and

A, be able to play

and be competent enough to help you win games

or try to win games

and B,

like, help the head coach

turn this thing in the right direction.

Because you're also...

I mean, you're also all 10 coaches.

Right.

I mean, it's a new regime.

Like, you haven't built anything yet.

You've got rid of everything.

That's all gone.

Right.

Right.

All right.

So, Kyle and Murray talked about him.

How about would Tua interest you for the Jets?

Would Tua interest me now?

No.

All right.

Well, Phil Simms on Barton Karlin yesterday

and he was asked the question,

would Tua be a good fit for the Jets?

Well, they're not going to bring Tua to a tongue ball up here.

He doesn't fit it.

I mean, hell, he played in Miami.

We saw what he does when he has to go on the road

to Buffalo or anywhere to play where it's cold.

And he's, you know, let's be honest.

Athletically,

who he is physically.

And there's no way I would want him up here in New York,

one because of what he has shown us and who he is.

But maybe also more importantly,

that the weather is just not going to be on his side all the time.

He had to really sum in all of his energy and power

to get the damn ball down that field.

And there was a play late in one game.

I can't remember the game.

And look, I don't mean to pile on him,

but that's what I'm doing.

They had a hell married to the end zone.

And he dropped back and he moved around and took a sack

because he knew he could not throw the ball

far enough to get it to the end zone.

And you know, that was just the start of the end.

I think for two of down there,

they have to go in a different direction.

And so I would not look at him.

Yeah, I don't think he'd be a good fit at all.

Like a kind of a Murray to it.

They don't seem like northeast cold weather quarterbacks to me.

No, but I again, like I'm,

I'm not interested in Kyle Murray.

Do I think he's got some upside?

Maybe if, you know, if he's been humbled,

if this is kind of like, oh, no.

Right? Like, I mean, the things that I did in Arizona clearly

didn't work.

And now I have to change my ways and he's motivated.

Like, I think that little piece of it kind of excites me.

But as far as what Frank writes, the fit in the system,

like what Frank right wants to fit in his system,

I don't think Kyle Murray fits the bill.

I agree with that, but there's to say because it's the jets.

Like, why would he want to go to the jets?

Well, I don't know.

I don't know that it's a good fit.

And again, I don't think he's a bad quarterback.

I think he's more than serviceable quarterback.

I just, is that what you want if you the jets?

I don't think it really adds up.

I think you don't give me more of a stopgap guy.

And for a lot of what happens to Kyle Murray comes here and he's really good.

Now he's the quarterback of the future.

Is that a realistic option here?

No, but there's, I mean, there's why there for the people that want him,

I think that's part of the reason that they would want him.

Because he's a, I mean, he's a former first overall pick.

Right. It's a second team now.

So maybe, you know, maybe this is like the impetus

to change all those things that we heard about in, in Arizona.

Like your career mortality as a starter is now kind of staring you in the face.

Like, what do I choose to do with it?

Right. But now you're at the fork in the road, which way do you go?

But I guess what I take offense to is, is just to dismiss the jets the way.

I know where it dumps their fire.

I know it's a mess.

But if I'm a quarterback and I look at the, you know,

there's not a lot of great situations around the NFL where I can step in and be the starting quarterback.

So I mean, again, I gave you the reasons with Minnesota.

Obviously, why it's attractive, but why it also could be unattractive?

Yes.

You got a tent overall, unless you want to bet on yourself.

If you think I'm, I'm head and shoulders better than this guy,

I'm going to get that starting job.

And I'm going to lead them to big things.

Because, because the upside doing well on the jets and the upside doing well on Minnesota.

Like, if you do really well in Minnesota, you're, God knows what the upside is there.

Yeah. And you got Kevin O'Connell.

And this, I mean, there's, like, there's got to be some urgency from him too.

Right? GM gets fired.

They've kind of put all their eggs in this deal.

JJ McCarthy basket.

I mean, their defense was sensational last season.

Defense was great.

I mean, you go one of the best receivers in the sport.

You got Addison.

You got, I mean, you got the hot buckets and you got plenty of weapons, right?

But I just think like it's, I don't think it's necessarily fair to just dismiss the jets

the way that he dismissed the jets.

Because they do have a good offensive thing.

Some of the things, but he covers the jets.

I know, but it's just like, if you take a step back and take the,

like, take away the, you know, emotionally, how you feel about the jets and look at the situation,

like, taloized offensive lines.

Good. I got book and tackles.

I got, I mean, I got one of the better running backs in the league.

I got Garrett Wilson.

I got to tie them.

We're probably going to add another piece.

I mean, a lot of these mock drafts, you see McKay lemon.

I can't control what the defense is going to do.

But as far as like my production is concerned.

Yeah.

I mean, I think Frank Reich is probably well respected.

It's not an all, he made it sound like it's such an awful, an awful spot.

I don't think it's that bad.

I don't think it's that bad either, which is my concern.

If you want to try to get the pick next year,

is that the offensive line is not bad.

But he solves real, right?

Garrett Wilson is really good.

You might add another good receiver.

You like to tie it in.

What, I mean, that couldn't mean a seven win team.

I said that a million times.

Now you're a seven win team.

But he's not the answer.

Now you're no man's land.

Right.

Now all of a sudden it's going to call.

I mean, if you're lucky, it's going to cost you.

If you can even get up to two or three or in that range.

If, right, that's what I'm saying.

So now if you're lucky, and now what's going to cost you?

Exactly.

Let's go to those picks.

Let's go to Ira in Staten Island.

Good morning, Ira.

You're on ESPN, New York.

Hey, good morning, Dan.

Good morning, Rick.

You know, it's amazing.

We're going to be talking about this for another one of the approximately six weeks.

I think it's right after seven weeks from today, actually.

Yeah, but we're talking about the quarter that we'll have a.

I mean, by next Tuesday, one day,

Jeff took it to have at least one very record of that.

Probably one of those car memory.

I think it has a question.

I was wrong about him.

Dan, no interest.

Maybe Garoppolo.

Maybe Derek Car.

Maybe Jacob.

I did.

Derek Car.

I mean, again, he sends Derek Car recently said that he wants to plan a team that's

going to have a chance to win.

Right, but okay.

But if Derek Car, that's what we all want.

And you're going to trade for Derek Car.

Well, it's not going to cost you.

I mean, what's it going to cost you to get Derek Car?

But I'm saying, like, you can say what you want.

But then someone else has to want you.

Like, there has to be a team that's on the customer winning a championship

or gives you a chance when it that wants him out of retirement.

All right.

It doesn't exist.

I don't know.

That's right.

And he has, he has the ties with Musgrave.

We'll see what it is.

But it's going to be any one of them.

And it's not the whole world for next year.

My major concern about Tyson's is that I think, you know, I know Jack quarterbacks,

but I don't like Alabama quarterbacks, you know, it's just, you know,

you get to get another possibly books gone around you.

Maybe another Greg Mackleville.

I think I can't go by a body award of 15 games that keep telling you guys this.

And I hope that you had to smart enough to do that.

If you get a take them and you think he can be a future,

he had a swim on a bench for two years.

There's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, you can't do that now.

You can't draft the quarterback and sit them on the bench for two years.

You can't, you're almost at the point where you can't

draft the quarterback and sit them on the bench for half a year.

Well, I mean, you could, in theory, you could do it.

You could do it.

Like, but if you were convinced that this is your, like, this is going to be our guy.

And we want to do this thing the right way.

Like, the giants were, I think the giants were intending to do it.

But because, you know, you saw what they saw from Jackson dark.

Well, they saw that and then they saw how awful Russell Wilson was too.

But they could also went to James wins.

They should have actually, he forced their hand.

And he, I mean, the second he stepped on the field, you saw it, right?

To the point where people like, well, he should have started the season.

The issue now is, is that you can't really afford to wait

because you got three first round picks in 27.

You need some kind of an answer.

And you're going to need to figure out if this is the guy or not.

Dave in the car, Dave, good morning, you're on ESPN, New York.

Good morning, guys.

I want to bounce this off you.

I think it's about the infrastructure that's in place with a lot of guys.

If one thing that the Super Bowl winner told you,

is that Sam Donald went into a situation where they put the infrastructure around them.

If I told you, if I told you that the giants right now

got a healthy Kyla Murray, with that team as it's currently put together,

with that coaching staff, that Hogwarts bringing over,

you probably be saying that giants have a good chance

of coming out of that conference.

But not even a question.

It's about having the infrastructure in place.

The jets don't give you the feeling that whoever you pick for the jets,

name any quarterback you want.

Even if you take a high level quarterback who's winning games now,

he would fail with the New York Jets right now.

There's too much confusion.

Hold on a second.

Hold on a second.

Give me your definition of high, give me an example of your high level quarterback.

I don't know how high level we're talking about here.

If you're going to give me Joe Barrow, you're Joe Barrow can win here.

Joe Barrow can win anywhere.

Joe Barrow could win here.

It wouldn't be a championship year for him this year.

And he might get crushed.

He wouldn't just come here and flip the ship.

I don't know if he does anything, but I quarterback that's ever played in the NFL

that comes here this season and leads the jets to a championship.

But I will say this.

We know that if you have the right coach,

when you take golf and look exactly what happened to him,

when he got into the right coach came along with the Rams,

this guy went from being someone who was being left out of the lead

into being an old pro.

So if you have the infrastructure in place,

you can turn things around rapidly.

I mean, nothing proves that more when you look at the Patriots,

you brought the right guy in.

He put the right infrastructure in.

Give me any quarter back.

They also spent, I mean, they also spent a ridiculous amount of money and free agency

also, I mean, yeah, you're not wrong.

And they also had one of the easiest schedules you've ever seen.

Right. And they also brought in Josh McDaniels.

Like, he's not wrong.

I completely agree with you.

And I don't, I, again, that's, that's why this is such a weird conversation to be

having right now because I don't believe we have the infrastructure in place.

I think that mousy could end up being a really good GM.

I don't think that Aaron Glenn's a good head coach.

So now if I bring in whoever the quarterback is,

and we win six games or we win seven games,

and that proves to what he will keep Aaron Glenn.

And now it affects my ability in 27 to get the quarterback.

I want, now what am I doing?

I know you're, you're in one.

Right. Because now I got a coach that I don't think is going to be,

is going to be good enough.

And I don't have a quarterback.

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I was just watching this world baseball classic.

It's on now.

Yeah, Korea just beat up on Chet you.

The live sports, baby.

Oh, look at you.

Oh, yeah.

I have the the circle of restavers is face just going around and around.

That's nice.

Yeah.

The guys recognize that you don't know how to use the controllers, right?

I don't know what that.

I'm not look, even look into the TV.

So it's fine.

You want me to read the email to you?

Oh, yes.

It could be, could be shockwaves.

RJ, you ready for this?

I don't feel like artisans dialed into the show today as I would like.

You just revealed the story where you thought that Asman was dressed like a loser.

I mean, that's a shockwaves enough.

He was wearing a, a Jets hat, an Asman sweatshirt and a Jets jacket.

I mean, it was, it was a lot.

Asman shirt with the Jets logo.

Yeah.

Yeah, but who's to say it's not working?

I mean, he's got a girlfriend that Ray would like that and you know what's interesting?

You leading me right to this email.

This comes from Christina Vovona.

I don't think RJ's listening at all, by the way.

Christina Vovona.

We're just happy that you can see RJ today.

Um, to bars love.

Email Christina Vovona.

I, she says, okay.

I want it known that the Asman's girlfriend is far from the only lady out there,

completely in love with the gorgeous Dave Rothenberg.

What a, what are you, what are you doing there?

Can I please?

There are many of us out here.

The new show photos are something we're all anxiously anticipating with new,

skinny, gorgeous Dave.

I love all of you.

I see them.

I can see them from here.

I mean,

she gets it.

Please keep it clean.

Just keep it clean.

That's all I ask.

Ray, I don't know what to say, Ray.

I don't even know what to say.

I'm at a loss.

It pains you.

I have somebody that does it.

There's a beautiful woman out there who looks at our show and says him.

I don't want to see him.

It looks like I feel like she could still live with a parent.

Like there's a lot of things I have to say.

God forbid, just a gorgeous adult woman has interest in me.

No, I couldn't.

I know that's not.

And find me to be delicious also.

No, no, I think that woman exists.

Her name is Sherry, but I don't think that there's this, this, this gaggle of women

that are like desperate for the

15 of them who would speak otherwise.

Maybe there is a new date.

Yeah, it's probably in a penitentiary penitentiary somewhere.

Here we go.

Like a certain club.

Like, I mean, I don't get the sense that people are just dying to see pictures of new

sexy date.

You know what?

Maybe for Christina and this, this group of women, you,

you wear something skimpy on, uh, by the way, I will.

I got the email.

I don't know how you didn't get it.

It's right here.

But hi on, you're listening to DPH Run Rothenberg on WHS QWCBSFMHD2 in New York.

When I asked if I did that, I, I did it.

It's important.

Yeah.

Talent photos 8 a.m. to 3 p.m.

Yes, I'm going to go ahead and tell you that you guys will not be here.

So 3 p.m.

No, no, no, no, no.

So I guess they're doing photos for every show will be my guess.

Right.

And what photos are they doing at 8 a.m.?

I don't know.

It says 8 a.m.

This time, time frame includes setup, the photo shoot, and the breakdown.

So don't use that door.

Use the secondary doors.

Please.

Okay.

Yeah, see, I'm, I listen, I'm in tune with the office.

And I was on this email.

That's for everybody.

It's a floor alert.

I didn't, I didn't receive that.

Is that for Mary?

Yeah, I had a great chat with Mary yesterday.

Oh, that's nice.

Yeah.

I also got the flashing light by elevator's email.

I mean, just I get all the stuff.

Light bulbs on its way, okay?

Yeah, feel free to enjoy your complimentary disco ball.

As well.

How about that?

How about that?

RJ?

Hi.

How you doing?

Just standing.

I feel like I really, I feel like I really have like a, I've really,

I've been flourishing in the office,

the office space now.

And I don't know.

What do you mean, you don't know?

Well, I wasn't going to tell you this.

Oh, here we go.

Well, when I walked the office yesterday.

Yeah, you were kind of winning, yep.

He was actually.

I was and I wasn't trying to take your role.

But I heard two separate people.

Oh, it's kind of nice to have a day off from Rick when you expect him to be here.

Wow.

That's right.

Really?

All right.

Listen, I don't need to be in the office at all.

I mean, if that's how they feel, that's, you know what?

I'll just, I'll stay, I'll stay home.

No, I don't think they want you always.

Here's what I will say, RJ.

He's a lot.

Right.

Would you agree with that?

I know.

Like he's, he's in a, he's in a choir taste.

Like maybe not everyone loves Rick.

I wouldn't say so a lot.

No, I wouldn't disagree with or I wouldn't agree with that.

The workplace is meant to be uncomfortable.

Yeah, that's not great.

But

I think people feel that.

What you just said was hurtful.

What?

I'm hurt now.

You're hurt?

That people would say that.

I'm sorry.

I shouldn't share.

I'm trying to, I'm trying to live it.

No, I'm glad you shared.

I mean, that's what good friends do.

I'm trying to live in the office up.

I mean, as people are busy eating breakfast,

I'm just trying to, you know, be okay.

Yeah, that's what I said.

I said, you know what, you don't get them five days a week.

So the time he's here, he wants to make the most of it.

Well, you know what?

It's not so bad that he's not here today.

Like, well, you know what, maybe I don't go in

and see everyone anymore.

Um, I got an email from the Asman.

I just can't be, there's can't be a good email.

He says, how dare you?

I was only wearing a Jake Asman show hat,

a jet sweatshirt and a jet starter jacket.

Thanks to Carl Banks.

You're out of your mind.

But that's, I mean, kind of from Carl Banks.

Yeah, but who cares who it's from?

That's three.

I mean, that's, you wear that to a game.

Like, and even then, that's maybe a, that's a lot.

It's a lot.

Like outside of a jersey in football pants.

Like, what else do you have?

How many times have you worn three separate pieces of,

of paraphernalia from a team?

I don't think ever.

Right.

RJ, you love the Niners, right?

Love them.

Would you ever wear three Niners?

Pieces of clothing or like a hat, a jacket, a sweatshirt,

unless you're going to a game.

You're going to say it, a game, you know, a game is fine.

I went to one last year.

I had a sweatshirt and then a Ninershirt under it

because it was going to get hotter.

So I went to a game.

Yeah.

You weren't walking the streets of Manhattan.

Correct.

It's, it's a weird look.

Listen, I maintain that just brand.

That's what he's going for.

Okay, fine.

So, so what are you going for?

Losery.

Yeah, but it's like friends.

Remember when Joey had the thing, of course,

and Joey Dressup covered the fake Porsche.

Yeah, but he used to dress up with all the Porsche stuff.

Yes.

Back to the, just the, the Porsche is enough.

You don't need to wear a Porsche Fanny pack

and then a Porsche sweatshirt and a hat and everything else.

Just so the, the, the, the ass man hat.

Perfect.

So I need.

I totally agree.

When we know you're the ass man, be the ass man.

That's it.

Sage advice.

Yeah.

I tried to give him additional advice and he put that.

Yeah, he clearly does not want your career.

I don't think he has much respect for you.

I think that's obvious.

He's, he's built enough on his own with.

I think he's, he's doing it the way he wants to do it.

And you just shut your mouth.

Okay.

You know what?

mouth shut.

I will say nothing more.

Nothing more.

Very good.

RJ.

Yes.

How you doing?

Good.

That's great.

Did you get ass man's girlfriend's number by any chance?

Oh my god.

Sakes.

I'm just wondering.

It seems like you guys hit it off.

What does she look like?

Can we do an observations?

I can't ask what a woman looks like.

I like what I feel like there's no answer.

That's just what you guys talk about.

Allow us to just move on from this.

How tight was the hug?

They didn't hug he said.

Oh, I thought they hugged.

No, he said he was scared to hug.

No.

Why?

Because you were because you were around?

No.

Would you stop?

Full of love of God.

You really got them stuff there.

You know what?

Some of them you hear and you're like,

that wasn't good.

That was funny.

That could, because that could be uncomfortable.

All right, RJ, what do you got?

No.

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