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This is why this is why this is why I'm hot.
Is the morning roast?
All right, we're going to roast and we're going to do it now.
899-193776.
I don't know what I've done.
I guess we start at going after me.
Noah in Bergen.
Noah, you're on the morning roast.
Good morning, gentlemen.
You hear me?
Did we hear you grow up?
Oh, we got you.
I can't wait for this one.
Amazing.
Amazing.
Well, before I get to roasting Dave Rick,
wanted to apologize to you for bringing the Eli Manning
interview question to light.
That's OK.
You know what?
I deserve it.
I was trying to be nice to Eli.
First time having him on the show.
And yeah, no, no, you have a track record
of bringing up flaws in the show.
Yeah, well, Rick, listen.
I love him.
I appreciate that.
And so if you're too sensitive to handle a simple, friendly
roast, then for that, I apologize.
Yeah, thank you.
That sounded a lot like Dave.
Now, all right, Noah.
What do you got?
Now, this.
Yeah, I don't want you to think of this as a roast.
I don't want you to think of this more as me facilitating
your greatness, making you get.
OK, when you are not feeling good about something,
you tend to say that you feel badly, but that's not correct.
When you say you feel badly, it means that the mechanism,
which allows you to feel, is broken,
not describing the way you feel.
Now, I want to brought this to light, except remember,
when Mike from Troy, thanks, happy birthday to you.
Oh, and Rick hung up on him.
And then exactly when Rick apologized to Matt,
the bird that passed through you.
Happy birthday.
Yeah, did you hang up on him?
Yeah.
You hung up on him.
It's enough.
Now, when Rick did that, he felt bad about the way
that he apologized.
Like he said, Mike, I feel bad.
And then Dave, you corrected it while you were wrong
with the whole time.
This is a lot going on here.
I understand, but you do it a lot,
and I wanted to make you better.
OK.
Well, I appreciate that.
So the appropriate phrase that I feel bad.
All right.
That's not great.
That's fine.
Yeah, that's fine.
I didn't even think that was that's not coming.
That's not a great.
I'm here to get roasted.
I am the bozo of the show,
but I don't think that's a great one.
Let's see if Dylan in Leviton,
who's always got something to say,
has a better roast.
Good morning, Dylan.
Oh, yeah.
That was so bad.
I can't even.
Hello, guys.
Dave.
Now, I actually am doing this
to facilitate your greatness.
Now, 99% of the time,
which usually is the case,
you are the best radio host.
That's week and a half.
He's been absolutely atrocious.
Why have I been atrocious?
I have a list of six things
that you did only in this test week and a half.
That really made me think about,
are you OK?
OK.
The first thing you did was the clock didn't exist.
Even I knew that you guys had to go to break.
OK.
Number two, you had a clock.
That was on me.
I think that's warranted.
That's one.
Go ahead.
No, you had a cognitive seizure going to break.
Right.
That really concerned me.
Number three, you asked Buster,
if a picture doesn't pitch for months,
will their arms be fresh?
I didn't ask that.
I asked if that's a blessing.
No, number four.
No, not a blessing.
Number four, you forgot all your stuff you missed.
You forgot.
I forgot.
Number five,
you teased things for the next segment
and got to it days later.
He's making great puns.
That's really good.
And the sixth and last one,
which really blew my mind.
And this very was underrated,
went under the radar.
This very was underage.
You threw RJ.
You threw RJ.
The three stars.
It was pretty bad.
No, I didn't.
You said, yes, you did.
Yes, you did.
I was ready for three stars.
Then I threw it.
You said, you said, RJ, you're ready.
And RJ said, for three stars,
you said, oh, yeah, Raven.
Listen, this is a good roast.
Dylan, can I ask,
were you keeping a runny tally of these
as they were happening?
Or,
no, I made this list yesterday
because after,
I just like,
you've been really dead
since you landed from the plane.
I don't know if it's a job with duo.
No, you know what it is?
Brain is still a space.
When you're right,
when you're a space traveler,
and you come back to civilization,
and thanks to the call, Dylan,
it was a good roast.
When John Glenn would come back
from outer space,
they have to do all those tests
to make sure that they're functional.
They didn't do those tests with me.
They didn't do anything with me.
When I came back from space.
That was a good roast.
That was a really good roast.
Yeah, he came with some serious information there.
He had a whole list.
A full of my mess-ups.
I love it.
It's like, have you been keeping tabs?
No, I put it together yesterday.
I haven't actually put pen to paper
till yesterday,
but mentally,
I've been making sure.
He's been taking mental notes
and yesterday he sat down
and it was very cathartic for him.
All right, listen,
I deserve all of those.
So I cannot deny that.
Let's go to Raymond,
how you feeling?
Would you like to start out here?
Yeah, sure.
Why not?
I didn't think he owed me this early,
but I didn't plan to either,
but I figured why not.
All right.
So I saw it sweet earlier this week
that, well,
it triggered me.
And I want to be careful
how I word this because you'd say
I love to go after the big company.
Oh, no.
And this is a pretty big company.
Oh, no.
But it also happens to be a company
that advertises on this station.
Oh, no.
So I'm not going to mention them by name.
Oh, we're going to know what company it is.
I think you could.
Oh, I think you could.
So I saw it sweet.
And you know how there's like these weird,
phony influencer or a counter,
whatever,
but like they look like they're insiders,
but you're not even sure if they're real people.
I know what this is going to be.
And this is going to be North Carolina's hiring.
Yes.
And to be exact that coach.
That is it exactly.
And so the tweet read by a pretty big time company.
And like I said, they advertise on this station.
So I'm going to watch my show.
Are they do?
We write.
I don't think they do anymore.
Well, there's commercials with their names on them.
And I saw one this morning.
So I even made them notes.
There's nothing.
But as you said,
UNC is finalizing a deal to hire MBA legend Phil Jackson
as their next head coach.
This move comes one year after this hardheels decision
to hire Bill Belichick,
who went for an eight in his first season.
And it's an AI photo of Phil Jackson
and the Carolina blue blazer on the court.
Right.
It's a legitimate company.
It's a legitimate company.
And it's clearly like it's not it's not parody.
It's not like this is not what the site is made for.
Like it's clear like it's it's a legitimate company
telling outright lies to get eyeballs on themselves.
Yeah.
Which is a microcosm of all the stuff that's going on.
We just spent the week yelling at media personalities.
And this own in this very company about saying things that people
think are way too outlandish for them to actually believe in.
Forget about the motivations,
but like it in a society in which let's get as many people
to react to this as possible.
We'll put this out there.
And by the way, this tweet that I mentioned has since been deleted.
It doesn't exist anymore because I think they realized this is a bad.
It was a really bad look.
This is a bad look.
This is a bad look for everybody.
But it's like, you know, you talk about slippery slope
and like how how far we fall in in sports media,
media in general.
It's just like we don't care about substance anymore.
We just like, let's create the hottest take.
Let's create the let's create something that's going to get as much reaction as possible
whether it's good or bad.
And we don't care because it gets interaction.
And that gives us money.
And I'm, as you can tell, it annoys me.
I think it's a good roast, right?
And I saw roast Raymond.
I saw, I mean, not, not like top top shelf,
but really good.
Well, again, because I'm kind of tiptoeing around it a little bit.
But again, if you have any sort of context clues,
you know what I'm talking about.
You know what he did there, Dave?
What did he do?
He did what we need from the top of the lineup.
He got on.
He worked the, he worked the count.
He saw some pictures in some places.
So the second guy now knows what the picture throws.
Yeah.
There's a, there's a man on base with speed.
Like it, that was perfect, Raymond.
Thank you.
Well done.
All right.
So we have people, Dylan.
I mean, brings to the table on my flaws.
Dan and Seville wants to defend me on the morning roast.
Dan, you're on the morning roast.
Hey, Dave.
So I'm kind of like you just said,
I want to do a kind of a reverse roast against like Dylan Rick
for which to call you out.
Yep.
I thought your question was great the other day.
The people who were calling it a bad question,
no, weren't, weren't listening.
You weren't asking if their arms would be fresh.
You were asking if, you know, they're hurt at the beginning of the season,
but could them, could that help them in the long run?
Maybe it would have been a better question if you named
Hathie Yankee roster.
I don't know.
How, let me ask you a question though.
This, this is the great Dan and Seville.
Dan, is Dan still on the line?
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Dan.
Yeah, I'm here.
How, how, having a fresh arm later in the season for a team
that's expected to make the playoffs and try to win a world series?
How would that be a bad thing?
How wouldn't that be a blessing in this guy?
Well, because you don't have them now.
Was the point.
Yeah, that, that, that, that was how I took the question like,
yeah, they don't have them now, but could that, so it's bad right now,
but it could be better in the long run.
That said, that was how I test quite.
Yes, because you, because you get it, Dan.
You're not an ignoramus.
But, but, okay.
Thanks, Dan.
It's a good.
RJ, did you think it was a good question?
RJ, worded properly?
I think the question was solid.
I think the wording could have been slightly adjusted.
So, so was it interrupt the interview midway through?
Kind of an awful question.
Probably, probably not on a different show,
but on this show, it's kind of what we do.
On this show, it is.
I must have loved it.
Buster got, Buster was caught.
He was caught.
He was a, a, a, a gas with the question.
And I thought, yeah, I'll tell you what,
when I go to my beat, my, my big meal with Buster,
you're not welcome.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no.
I'm the one that facilitated the bet.
No, you facilitated nothing.
I called them out.
I risked everything for that bet.
I risked everything.
You know what the problem is.
When we walk over to Luger's, you're not coming.
Well, you can't even make that walk.
It's too long for you.
I can't talk.
I've got to forbid you walk a couple of miles
to enjoy the rest of the smiles yesterday.
Stop it.
What do you mean stop it?
Here's the thing.
You don't like the fact that one of my, my skills
is this, this ability to read people's emotions
and know when the time I take and to check myself is.
Buster was, he didn't know what to say.
Did you know John hated you?
I did not know that.
Okay, so this great reading of emotions.
Maybe not as great as you think.
He loves me now.
He does love you now.
And that's in spite of the fact that he has
maybe the worst shoe collection in the history of shoes.
But John despised you.
That's not right.
And you didn't even have any idea.
Did you know this RJ?
That John did not like Rick?
The spies is a strong word.
It is a strong word.
It may not be accurate, but he definitely didn't like you.
That's not nice.
Did you know this RJ?
I did, I did not know that until when did he share that
for the first time?
He just shared it.
Well, I, they've shared it.
He mentioned it off air before.
No, it's on there.
But yeah, no, I, I don't think he despised.
But I think he didn't like him.
I think he had limited interaction at the time.
And maybe those limited interactions didn't go great.
Perhaps.
Or he hate it.
I think it was unfair.
It may.
It was unfair and unfounded, but, but it's accurate.
But my point, my point is not whether he liked you or not.
I probably threatened him.
You think you have this great read on everybody?
No, I probably threatened him.
I mean, John probably thought, hey, look at me.
I'm the, I'm the hard shot in the office.
And then I came, I came strong on it.
And he's probably a little threatened.
Right.
And you were like, I'm the hard shot in the office.
That's me.
Well.
You think you're on the office, right?
Why?
You think you're on the office.
I know.
I don't think I'd run the office.
Let's go to Joe and the Bronx.
Joe, you're on the morning roast.
Hey, good morning, guys.
How you doing?
Hi, Joe.
Hi.
So just give you a little background.
I went to 20 Met Games last year, and I live on the Throg's neck side, the Bronx side,
of the Throg's neck bridge and white smoke and bridge.
So we take me, maybe at the longest 30 minutes to get the city field.
Yesterday was the first time me and my son were ever at opening day.
I heard Park is an disaster at City Field.
So that was what my roast was going to be.
So all the time it would take me, like I said, the longest 30 minutes to get there.
So we left yesterday our house at 915.
I sat at the exit to City Field for two and a half hours, sorry, to get there.
Two and a half hours from the exit, the inside the park and light it took me.
Two and a half hours?
Two and a half hours.
Now I get it.
It was opening day and it's more people than usual.
But two and a half hours it took me.
My son was so excited.
We didn't tell him until yesterday morning that we were going.
We usually like to get there nationally.
If you're batting practice, watch all the festivities and all the stuff that's happening.
And it took us two and a half hours from the exit to get into the actual parking lot.
Oh God.
I'm sorry.
Well, thanks for the call, Joe.
Apparently all this casino work.
Yeah, I think there's lots closed.
And I also think I heard yesterday that maybe, not maybe, that where people would find parking that they didn't have to pay for, was no longer available.
That's terrible.
Which created more congestion than the lots.
And of course, yesterday you're going to have the park full, right?
Right.
Like there are certain games where you don't have every single seat occupied.
Yesterday is, that's the big day that everyone wants to be there for.
It's skiing.
It's the pirates.
It's opening day.
So it was, it was not a good combination.
I'm sorry.
That really does suck.
I would, I'm not kidding.
If I sat in traffic for two and a half hours, that would be the end of me.
I would, I would go insane.
Well, you probably tried.
He's probably trapped.
I mean, you can do.
There's nothing you can do.
There's nothing you can do.
I mean, that's like gross level traffic.
Who has that kind of traffic?
Are we still sure that gross was really in traffic?
Come on.
In my life, I've never heard of it.
It's never five hours to get anywhere in this area.
Never.
I'm going to go.
Okay.
I'm going to go.
So I know that we've had problems with this in the past.
But it just, it never stops.
And these college basketball coaches are so slimy.
It's really, it's disgusting.
So Will Wade was the head coach of LSU.
Will Wade was fired from LSU.
He had to rehab his image and went to McKinney State.
Then he took the job at NC State, led them to the tournament in year one.
LSU is now an available job.
And I guess he was asked by everyone at NC State.
You're not going to go and take this job, right?
No, no, no, no, no, no, definitely not.
Well, not only does he take the job like a little weasel.
A place that he was fired at.
He goes back to, how does he tell NC State he's leaving?
His agent sends an email telling them, Will Wade is out.
So that's for starters.
And then last night Bruce Pearl is on the broadcast.
And he just says, man, quote, I hate hearing the words.
Hubert Davis has been fired at UNC.
That sentence, it bothers me to my core.
That's why I'm sitting here guys.
That's part of the reason I'm sitting here.
There is no loyalty anymore.
You, Bruce Pearl, left Auburn in the 11th hour so your son,
they didn't have enough time to hire any legitimate coach so your son could be placed as the head coach.
Of Auburn, mind you, he was terrible this year and then you fought because you know,
all they should go to the tournament because they're like 16 and 15,
but they've had a tougher schedule than Miami of Ohio.
So these college coaches are so slimy.
And there's no repercussions.
None.
And all he hears, oh, there's no loyalty from the player.
There's less than no loyalty from the coach.
And my roast goes after the collegiate basketball coach.
Good roast.
Nice roast.
Nice all roast.
Yeah.
RJ Decent roast.
That was a high end roast idea.
High end roast.
Yeah, I think so.
Wow.
That was good.
I never get praise like that from you guys.
Well, that actually felt like that feels like a roast that you thought about as opposed to like, hey,
you know, I didn't really think about anything.
Let's just figure something out now.
Right.
Like I gave it real, real thought.
Yep.
No eggs for you.
How about that?
I never get compliments on my roast.
You know, Bozo.
At this moment, I'm no Bozo.
Not in my book.
What is that?
Sorry.
That's a play.
The other one.
Well, remember, raise it's on his left side, down on his right side.
Right.
That's right.
And his hand accidentally hit off the thing and then Debbie.
We're all over the place.
Ray, what did you send us exactly to?
I don't understand.
No, that's just the commercial playlist.
What happened?
I don't know why.
We should make too much mention of it.
Yeah.
Okay.
Flying close to the sun.
Okay.
That's hot.
All right.
Let's go to Jeff and Howard Beach.
Jeff, you're on the morning roast.
Hey, good morning, guys.
Happy Friday.
Happy Friday, Jeff.
I just want to roast.
I just want to roast the state of New York.
Because I go on sandal and the fact that I can bet on everything in the world.
But I can't bet on St. John's basketball.
Come on.
What are we doing, bro?
You're not allowed.
I mean, if you bet in Jersey, you can't bet on Rutgers or Princeton or you're not allowed.
That's the law.
Well, I think the law is stupid.
Okay.
Sorry.
All right.
I mean, that's always been the law.
I mean, in Vegas, you're not allowed to bet on UNLV games.
It's always been that way.
Well, I'll tell you what was real.
I'll tell you what was real stupid.
Remember originally when the law had passed in Jersey.
But it hadn't passed in New York yet.
And you had to like just drive.
Like, if you wanted to make that drive over the bridge to make your bet.
Of course.
I mean, come on.
Do you know what John wanted to do?
John wanted to rent a boat and have people get on the boat.
You know, take the boat from like Manhattan until you were technically in Jersey waters.
Place your bets and bring you back.
That's a nice idea.
That's a great idea.
Did you not know that RJ?
I did not.
Yeah.
I have definitely heard that one before.
I gotta tell you, I wouldn't do it.
But I do know people that I think would partake.
It's part of a boat.
You probably know people who have parts taken.
No.
I definitely know people that one.
I'd just get a bus.
I know several people that live in Jersey.
It's end up in New York for and for those exact circumstances.
They make sure I've got to place the bet while I'm in Jersey.
So I don't have to deal with that.
I mean, what could you charge for that 10 bucks?
Like, it's like if I charge ten bucks, I get a hundred people up there.
The boat goes out, gets them into it.
You know, Jersey waters that brings them back.
The next grouping.
How many people are there?
Where's he getting the boat?
I don't know, but I gotta tell you I love this idea.
Who's driving the boat?
Who knows?
I mean, I don't think everything was ironed out.
But there was a plan in place years ago before all the gambling sites were legal in New York.
John wanted to get a boat into the water.
John, I like this idea.
You know what he could have done to is wore those fancy new boots that he bought?
Yeah, on the boat.
On the boat.
Keep his feet very dry.
Yeah, he bought winter boots because they're on say safe ten bucks.
He can put it towards the boat.
Dude, it's a boat.
That's right.
That's a free admission on the boat.
RJ.
Hi.
How you feeling?
Pretty good.
Let's go.
So there's a couple of things.
The first one is not the rose, but it's like the appetizer.
I don't, it bothers me that they bring out the stools when there's a timeout in college basketball.
Not everything does this, but they run out there.
And they put them on like the free throw line.
They're so geared up and ready.
And they put them on like the free throw line extended.
It's just like they can't just go sit on the bench.
And the NBA, they go sit on the bench.
You can't, you can't, some guys get up and you go sit on the bench and everyone takes a breather.
They want to stretch.
They want to move.
I guess.
But the actual roast is.
And I don't know who this is.
And hopefully this, this message finds them.
Because they, they walk among us here in this office.
Oh, really?
So occasionally when I get in the morning, they don't try to be a team player.
Are you going after our office mates?
Maybe.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know who this is.
It's teammates.
So sometimes I will, you know,
as we all, we all pitch in, you know, you start the dishwasher and we put a couple of things away.
So I was, I was putting away, I was emptying the dishwasher.
I did a cup on it.
There's only so many of us that actually entered the dishwasher.
Me and you.
Yeah.
So anyways, I'm, I'm taking things out because clearly it has run.
Because, you know, there's some water on top of it.
Like you can very clearly tell.
And most people, not all, but most have dishwashers at home.
Well, we all know what it looks like when it runs.
Well, we also have the chart on the front of the dishwash.
Yes.
This is the cleaner dirty.
Correct.
And it says, I know what you mean.
It's a little slight.
It's, it's the indicators.
Yes.
So, so it says running.
I open it.
And what happens to the first bowl I pull out?
Oh, it falls in.
It falls in.
It falls in.
Wrong.
Rick is right.
Filthy.
Oh, really?
So I go, huh.
That's interesting.
This dishwasher must be faulty.
And then I'm, I'm kind of looking around.
And I look among all the clean utensils.
And absolutely disgusting, used fork.
Someone, despite all the signs,
that everything in there was clean, decided it would be a good idea
to put their dirty dishes either because of pure ignorance
or just a lack of caring.
A level of unawareness that I can't fathom.
Among all the clean dishes.
I think it's a lighter, but I'm all related to this.
Yeah, just name it.
I'm having a hard time coming to grips with that.
Wow.
Somebody, it's almost like they made a concerted effort
to try to take down a fleet of clean dishes.
How did you handle it?
No.
I'll tell you what.
I don't know if this is the right thing.
I rerun it.
You rerun the whole thing.
You kind of had to, yeah.
You have no choice not because now you don't know how many other dirty,
how many other games with dirty dishes.
And it's either that.
It's either that.
The appropriate.
No, it's been.
The appropriate move would have been empty it.
Leave the dirty dishes and start.
But you don't know.
No, you don't know how many dishes in there.
I thought you said it was the whole thing.
Well, two that I know are really random.
You're questioning everything at that point.
The options are to either do it all over again.
Right.
Or you just walk away, which is the jerk response.
What if you had a one night stand?
You're questioning everything.
I don't know.
Why am I itchy?
I don't know.
Just like that.
Yeah, just like that.
That's great.
The dishwasher situation was very similar to a one night stand.
Well done, Rick.
Well done.
And he took us there.
All right, Mr. I'm going to make it very uncomfortable.
You're up.
I have three roasts.
No.
Yes.
No meal.
I have a three meal.
You gave us an appetizer.
He gave us an appetizer.
I have an appetizer.
He gave us a quick little appetizer.
It's going to be quick.
I got three quick ones.
I got a nice little.
This is like a dinner at the corner store.
I'm going to start you off with the delicious Caesar salad with the everything
in the fructons and the fries.
You're going to love it.
Okay.
You just shut your mouth.
I'll be the judge whether this is good or not.
Okay.
Here's a little appetizer.
Have you guys seen the story yet?
And I hope it's I hope by the time we get through the story that the intention wasn't
what is being what?
Aleppo.
Have you seen the story?
Oh, yes.
Oh, I saw this.
You couldn't even come up with the words.
I love this.
Let's go.
It's a chocolate story.
Is this his parents involved in this?
Yes.
He is suing his parents for $3 million.
He is saying that they have they have misappropriated the money that was set out because of, you know,
him being a new to money.
They had to set up LLCs and it sounds like from what's being what's being
Are you okay?
No, because I'm trying to think of the work.
He's so worked up right now.
Because this pisses me off because I know so many guys that this happens to and it's
usually with agents that end up paying like, I'm like, hey, how much how much was this?
I don't know.
My agent pays my bills.
So what do you mean your agent pays your bills?
Yeah, they take care of everything.
I'm like, you're not concerned at all that you don't see any bills.
I feel like that's rampant.
Yeah.
Yeah, it happens a lot because guys don't want to deal with it.
In this case, it's his parents.
They're handling his money.
It sounds like they took money out of his LLCs and started using it for their own.
For their own stuff.
To the point where now he's suing it for $3 million.
It's not like a little bit of money.
It's $3 million dollars.
Well, that's terrible.
How is he expect to get that back though?
Like that's not.
Well, they're going to have to.
They're going to have to.
He's going to have to pay him back.
He's suing them.
And he's probably never talked to them again.
And again, I've heard this story before.
It's up into the one I remember was Tyron Smith.
That happened to he actually.
What happens is, is that you have meetings with these people.
And they start talking the way that they would talk.
Like, you know what they're talking about?
You have no clue.
They come up with this plan.
You're like, okay, these people are smart.
They must know what they're doing.
Especially when it's people you trust like your parents.
You put money in LLCs.
And then before you know it, you go to find the money.
And there's no, the money's gone.
Right.
Is there more?
But this is way worse now, because it's your parents.
Is there more?
I feel like the NFL started doing this.
And I don't know like the other leagues, but like emphasis on
just having financial literacy when you come into the league.
All right.
So was that what was that one of your main roles?
Is that what?
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If you are the star of one of the great Broadway shows playing
George Washington.
And our cast now was singing the National Anthem.
Yeah.
You can't screw the National Anthem on.
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I know it's not easy.
I know it's a lot of pressure.
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I'm talking about the last one.
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And how was it at the heart?
He was perfect.
Oh, he was perfect.
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The last one.
Oh, that's the last one.
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Last one.
Nebraska.
Come out of it.
Yeah.
It's 7168.
There's less than a minute left.
And you have four guys in the court.
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He usually counts for six.
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He goes, I usually check this.
I just make sure there's not six.
Well, can we check to make sure there's actually five?
I mean, it's the biggest moment of your entire season.
You're down three.
You've just hit a three to cut it from six to three.
There's plenty of time left.
I think there's 58 seconds.
And you have four guys on the court.
Yeah.
And they throw a down guy wide open.
Yeah.
And that's slam dunk and one.
And one.
And that's, then that's game.
Yeah.
And that's it.
There's my three little lads.
That's my first meal.
There we go.
You know what?
I enjoyed every course.
Good.
Because I'm a good teammate.
And I can admit when a teammate does well.
Right.
I would listen.
I would take credit fully for the last one, the dessert of it, the ice cream of it.
But I mean, I think Antonio had a hand in it also.
That's right.
He hears ice cream.
He wants it.
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It's a very close game.
I couldn't hear what he said.
He believes it's within a 7-point game, which is good.
It's great.
It's not going to matter if you don't win.
How close it is.
No.
And he also likes Yukon minus the one and a half against Michigan State.
You know what people think.
They talk college basketball.
They want to know what Dave Rothenberg thinks about college basketball.
And you took Duke already.
I think Duke will win the game.
So I'd Houston in your final four.
Right.
I'm not perfect.
And I know a lot, but I mean, I'm wrong all the time.
Well, listen, it's no exact science.
Obviously, it's the fun of it.
And it used to be a lot more fun when you would give us fun, little commentary.
Commentary.
Yeah.
Next year.
Maybe there's not a next year.
Maybe Arges says you know what?
What do you think the world's going to end by next year?
No, but I think you put it.
You left a real bad taste in Argenics.
Absence makes the heart grow thunder.
So you don't have it this year the way you like it next year.
Boom.
It's back.
Ty Simpson.
So the Jets brass.
Mooji, Glenn, Reich, Musgrave.
They all go to Tuscaloosa.
They have a big, fancy dinner with Ty Simpson last night.
They're working them out in a private workout today.
This and this is a great smoke screen.
There's no way this is a smoke screen.
There's clearly interest in the Jets and Ty Simpson.
Yeah.
I think I mean, just if you're a, if you're a properly,
properly run franchise and you do your due diligence.
Right.
And you need a quarterback.
Right.
You take advantage of this opportunity.
I like to get to know the kid.
I want to see him work out for me.
I mean, this is it.
You could be like you could be shocked.
Right.
Outside of the tape.
You sit down with them.
Get to know him as a person.
What kind of leader he's going to be.
And be like, you know what?
We were, you know, we're hesitant at first,
but now we got a chance to meet him.
Know the person and we feel more comfortable.
Or it's like, hey, you know what?
This is just not the time for us to do it.
But he's the second, I mean, he's the second rated quarterback right now,
depending on who you ask.
But it sounds like when those is going one.
Right.
You have.
And those is going one.
Right.
You got the second overall pick and you got the 16th pick.
And you also got, you know, the first pick of the second round and the 44th pick.
Right.
And you need a quarterback.
You need to draft a quarterback.
Now, if you have a conviction, a conviction with this kid,
you take him.
If you think he's going to be a big time NFL quarterback,
you take him.
I understand your point of maybe we're not ready and maybe you're not.
But you don't know what next year is going to bring.
If you believe he's the future stud quarterback in this league,
and that is your true belief, then you take him.
Now, I don't think so.
I don't, I don't look at him and say,
that's going to be a great quarterback.
But they're deeper in the weeds than I am.
And then no more than me.
And they're going to sit there, they're going to talk with him,
watch him make the throws,
and they'll get a better feel of what they think about him.
Right.
But what hurts the Jets for me is just there's no track record of them
actually knowing what they're doing with this.
And also why ever take a quarterback?
Well, they're going to take a quarterback at some point.
I mean, again, is this the year I don't know draft next year is supposed to be,
I mean, again, I'm going off what NFL experts are telling you
where if Archmaning was in this year's draft, he'd be the first overall pick.
And what was this year's draft supposed to be?
No, I understand that.
But Archmaning, it wasn't like Archmaning had this unbelievable
season this year either.
Right.
The thought is that Archmaning is going to be a franchise like that.
Right.
That's all projection, right?
He was bad and then he was much better as the season went on.
But that's all projection.
It's all speculation.
So you're speculating that he's going to turn into a great NFL quarterback.
And then you're also speculating that you're going to be able to get him.
Right.
But I'm also speculating that Dante Moore, if he came out this year,
would have been the second quarterback taken.
He'll also be available next year.
He would have.
Right.
So I mean, do we decide we want to take Tyson's?
And now I also heard Mel yesterday lose his mind because he thinks
should door Sanders is a better quarterback than Tyson.
I heard him say that.
So am I taking that with the 16th overall pick?
You're going to have to come to that decision.
You meaning the jets are going to have to come to that decision.
Right.
But Mooji's also going to have to come to the decision whether or not he's like
is Aaron Glenn going to be my coach here moving forward also?
Like, how do I feel about that?
Well, I think you have to factor that in.
Like if you're Mooji and Mooji and you look at Aaron Glenn and you say,
this guy, I didn't want this guy getting his hands on a young quarterback.
I think you trust Frank Reich, but I don't want Aaron Glenn to ruin him.
So I'm going to, you know, I don't even know if it's.
I don't even think it's I'm not saying ruin him.
I'm saying like if there's the thought that this doesn't like that Aaron Glenn isn't going to do
enough this year to prove to you that he's going to be your coach after this season.
Am I going to use one of these premium picks on a quarterback when I'm going to have to hire a new coach
who may not like the quarterback?
He may not.
So why would I why would I do it?
But if you, but if you're Mooji and you, and again, I don't know and you look at Sims,
you're like stunned.
Right.
But this is a great NFL quarterback.
You would be hard pressed after only having the kid start 15 games to,
like, to have that much conviction, I think.
Where it's like, hey, we're a team that won three games.
We led for 60, it was 66 offensive snaps the entire season.
That this is the place to put a kid that's only at 15 starts and he's going to be great
with a coach that could potentially stink and an offensive coordinator who's who's good.
But it's not like, you know, there were a bunch of teams that were desperate to get him on their staff.
I understand your point.
But if you look at him and you love him, if you, if you're Mooji and you're Glenn and you love Glenn is still the coach.
Right.
If you, if you didn't want Glenn involved in any decisions whatsoever, you shouldn't have missed the coach.
Right.
But what is that?
Okay, that's fine.
And you're right.
It doesn't make me feel better about it.
But what's going to ever make you feel better?
Until I see the kid play and he's really good.
That's it.
Right.
So you're going to have everything with the grain of salt.
Well, no, or if you have a coach that has a history of working well with quarterbacks that doesn't.
Well, what happens if they move on from this guy from Aaron Glenn and they bring in another guy with no experience?
Or another coach that you look at?
Then that's the real fault.
Really?
It's the real fault then.
I mean, that could easily happen.
It happens every time they hire a coach.
They just did it.
They just did it.
They, they do it every time.
Okay.
So what, what do you want me to tell you that I have all this confidence that they're going to make the right decision?
That them falling in love with Thai Simpson?
Makes me believe that I should fall in love with Thai Simpson?
No, I don't think you should.
I'm just saying my point is if you love him, you should take him.
And if you don't, then you shouldn't.
But I don't think this is a smoke screen.
That's my whole point.
I don't think you have an entire organization.
Not a Tuscaloosa in the hopes that someone's going to trade up to 16 to give you more ammunition later in the draft.
No, I think that if that happens because you're putting all this work in time at the Thai Simpson and someone else likes him and wants to trade up,
like, I mean, the guy and you don't want to take him, that would be a good thing.
Otherwise, you need a quarterback.
He's the second best quarterback in this draft.
Of course, you should go work him out and get a chance to meet him.
Right.
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Good morning, gentlemen.
I really need to hammer the table on this.
I don't know.
Listen, I don't have as great a football mind as you guys.
But I think sitting on the couch, it's pretty clear that Jets cannot develop a quarterback.
They will not. They cannot.
Do not try to draft a quarterback.
Definitely not at 16.
If Ty Simpson is as good as everybody sees, I mean,
there are organizations that definitely use better metrics than the Jets.
If they see something, they will take him before our third pick.
So there's no reason to never even be considering it.
So this is more of you have no faith whatsoever in the Jets, right?
No, no, it's not that.
Listen, the Jets, if you look at what they did in 2022,
with the whole team around Zach Wilson, signing Aaron Rogers, right?
If you do that with another quarterback that comes due,
their contract comes due.
That isn't 42 years old.
That plan works to a tee.
You've got all young guys.
You drafted the rookie of the year for offense,
rookie of the year for defense.
The year before you drafted well,
you had a good ole, a decent ole line.
You had a good defense.
Everything was in place.
All you have to do is sign a good quarterback.
Overpay for the quarterback that you know is good.
We are not going to take young talent ever.
I don't know why there's a single Jets fan in the entire universe
that thinks that we can draft somebody and develop him.
Damn Darnel, I just want to super well.
I was asking him to say, same Darnel.
Jets, you cannot go through life as a team
and have a game plan of we're never going to draft the quarterback.
If we were number one pick,
I would say do not take Mendoza.
Besides the fact that he screams bust,
that kid in New Jersey would be so, so ungodly bad.
It's not even funny.
Damn Darnel, this is the last thing I was saying.
He was seeing ghosts.
Everybody knows what he was like.
I heard some Jets fan saying like, oh, we should have kept him.
No, he had no idea what's going on.
There's a quote from him.
He said, until I went to the 49ers,
I never felt like I actually got coached.
There's a reason Shanahan does what he does.
Take a quarterback like Mac Jones.
Overpay for him.
Do something.
Find one of these guys.
Andy Reed took Patrick.
You're also trying to pretend like us taking Mac Jones
from what Kyle Shanahan is doing in San Francisco
is guaranteed to work.
I mean, Sam Darnel went to a great situation in Minnesota
with Kevin O'Connell,
who's considered one of the best offensive minds in the sport,
not to mention the fact that he's got talent all around him
has success.
Then he goes to Seattle,
where he's got on the defensive side of the ball
like the equivalent to Sean McVey,
and oh, by the way,
the guy who's now the head coach of the Raiders.
I thought that the Jets don't have that.
That's just the call.
So just a guarantee that going overpay for like a Mac Jones
is going to make us like,
at some point,
we're going to have to figure it out.
I know I don't trust it,
and you don't trust it,
but at some point,
that has to change.
I said at the time too.
You cannot say we can't develop a quarterback.
We're never taking one.
You can't do it.
If you don't want Simpson, fine.
This guy's saying,
under no circumstance,
can we ever draft and develop a quarterback?
Right, but I'm sure they're saying the same thing,
or we're saying the same thing in Cincinnati.
Now, Cincinnati has had some good quarterbacks.
Like they've drafted some good quarterbacks and had success.
But it takes,
I mean, it's going to take a guy
that is like,
undeniably,
that's going to take a guy
that is just,
he's so good that he wins
despite of what the Jets give you.
And tie Simpson's not that.
Is my point.
I don't,
I don't even think he's going to be very good on where everyone's up.
I'm not a tie Simpson fan.
If you love me,
you take him.
Right.
But I know you say that.
But even like,
I don't think you understand
what that sounds like to Jets fans.
Like,
you saying that if the Jets love them,
they should take them.
Almost as a Jets fan makes you feel like,
well, if they love them,
it means he's not going to be good.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't know how to counteract that.
You're friends.
Think about what the Jets have done.
They're so broken.
Right.
But think about some of the decisions
and I remember talking about it at the time.
Like, you know,
you have probably the most important year
in Sam Donald's development.
Are we going into year two?
And what happens?
What he Johnson takes off
to go be the ambassador
leaves his brother
who's never run a franchise
in his entire life in charge.
And then his brother decides
not to go with the GM's recommendation
for the coach and hire Mike McCarthy.
He decides he wants to go with Adam Gase.
That's right.
And we also have that worked out.
And then McCagman runs the whole draft
all the free agency.
That's the war.
And they,
you allow a GM to run a full draft
and then you fire them right after.
It's a comedy of ours.
I'm just saying, like,
you can't have this mindset
of it's never worked
so we're not going to try anymore.
No, but that's.
That's you that.
Right.
But that's why you almost want to get to a point
where it becomes,
it almost impossible to mess it up.
And having,
right, having four picks
in the top 40,
for this year with a GM
that you feel like knows what he's doing.
And now have three picks
in the first round of, again,
I don't know,
because it feels like we say this every year.
But what's supposed to be
an unbelievable quarterback draft,
right,
could that be enough
that even the Jets couldn't screw it up?
Were you do become attractive enough
to get one of these,
to get a coach
that can figure it out?
And that's the thing.
Why am I 65 or sooner?
I like Jackson Dart
because of Harbaugh.
You need your John Harbaugh
is what you need.
And then I think you'd feel very differently.
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