How MAGA Became A Cover Story For Agenda 2030

0:00Music Millions of Americans, myself included, believe that Trump was coming in to drain the swamp and stop this surveillance state from creeping into every part of our lives. That hope is why a lot of us showed up to vote. But now the same tech billionaires who were dead set against Trump a few years ago, Elon Moss, Peter Teal, Larry Ellison, Sam Altman are standing right behind him. And under his watch, data centers, surveillance cameras, digital ID, and programile money have expanded faster than any point in American history. Our guest's warning today is blunt, that the MAGA movement became the vehicle to get Trump elected and then became the cover story for building the very system that it promised to destroy. Aaron Day is a tech entrepreneur, author, and independent candidate for the US Senate in New Hampshire, who spent years tracing how corporations, AI, and centralized institutions

1:05are replacing individual choice with technocracy. This technocratic infrastructure isn't some abstract future threat. It's already reaching into your bank account, your savings, and your retirement fund. So today, Aaron breaks down exactly how it works, who's really building it. And most importantly, what you can do right now to protect yourself before it's too late. Welcome to man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Hohlhaus. Before we get started, please make sure you hit that like button and the share button and subscribe button that really, really helps us to get this information out to more people and I really appreciate that. All right, now let's go and get into my conversation with Aaron Day. Mr. Aaron Day, it's good to have you back on the show. I really enjoyed our conversation last time and I'm looking forward to going even deeper. So thanks for being here with us. Thank you for having me. I enjoyed it as well and very, very excited to have our conversation this afternoon. Yeah, yeah, me too. So I'd like to focus initially on technocracy.

2:08And it's a big, big topic. You could write books on it. But I want to try to simplify it but also just run some ideas past you. But I guess from your perspective, if someone said you, Aaron Day, what is technocracy? How would you respond to that? Well, I mean, I would first start by saying it's the end of free will. And then I would go on to explain that, you know, what technocracy is, is it's a, it's an ideology, a political ideology that instead of having rights, property rights or individual rights, all decisions are made in society from the top down by scientists, engineers and experts. And in fact, now the evolution of technocracy is that will then now be done by AI. So in essence, what that means in real simple terms is you're no longer making decisions about your life. This is about having digital programmable money, social credit systems, AI surveillance. And what choices you can make in your life are predetermined from the top down,

3:11from where you can live, where you can work, where you can go to school, who you can interact with. This is essentially the end state of technocracy. And we're actually living through this. It's an ideology that started in the 1930s. And one of the cornerstones of technocracy is to replace the price-based system that we're used to based on supply and demand, with a system based on energy credits, where those energy credits are centrally controlled. So you no longer are using dollars or whatever the currency happens to be. It's literally this energy credit system, which is manufactured scarcity and controlled from the top down. So that's a pretty visionary idea for the 1930s and something that we're actually only now able to implement from the dystopian standpoint of the technocrats. And so I want to ask you what role do you think Silicon Valley plays in this? And I'll give you just a theory or an idea that I've come to, and I want to see what you think

4:14about this, and you go from there. I actually think the more I've thought about it, I think that a lot of what the emergence of technology in Silicon Valley was, I think in many ways, it's just a front for the military industrial complex, whether you look at ARPA net, coming in before the internet, you look at lifelong Facebook, you look at even Siri was a DARPA AI project. And the list goes on, but the more I think about the more I'm convinced that the military industrial complex, they knew they couldn't surveil and track and monitor the US citizens and the people in this country to the degree they needed to have a technocratic system because of the constitution. So they helped create, helped fund all these, you know, kind of public-facing companies that were built by these geniuses and their garages. But I think the whole thing is at its outset that it was part of developing the technology they

5:16could use to bring about this plan. Like you look at what Brzezinski said in his book, you look at, again, like the plan that was talked about in the 30s, even, it seems like it was all kind of laying the groundwork and then this Silicon Valley and all this technology and the phones in our pockets and now, flat cameras and data centers, that to me seems like the end stage of this, like this is like their dream to have this kind of technology in the pocket of every person walking around this country. What are your thoughts on that? I mean, I don't know if it was necessarily driven by the military industrial complex because it made me, because interestingly enough, if you look at that complex, a lot of the larger, military contractors are kind of left out of this, right? You have a lot of these new companies that are taking over. But it may very well have started out that way. But the interesting thing about technology is that it's international. It's a global system and it involves the complete erosion of national sovereignty. And you mentioned Brzezinski, if you want to see how

6:19that's actually been carried out, the trilateral commission was formed, I believe, in 1971 or 72, and then they got together Brzezinski and David Rockefeller and heavily influenced the new international economic order, which was the UN's plan the following year, 73. And that's essentially the blueprint for agenda 2030 and what we have right now. And at the cornerstone of that was the idea of eliminating national sovereignty, having global commerce, which I don't think is in and of itself bad, but the way that they actually use these multinational organizations to push it, involve simultaneously the erosion of national boundaries, but funding corporations at the expense of the taxpayer, which is essentially what's going on right now with the technocratic firm. So when I look at the future of technology, people sit around and say, well, it's the United States versus China, it's not, it's Oracle versus Palantir versus X versus, you know, pick the global technocratic firm.

7:22Silicon Valley certainly has a big role in it. And certainly the military industrial complex complex in CIA has been involved. I'll give you an example. Palantir, one of the first investors in Palantir was Incutel, which is a venture capital firm that is funded by and controlled by in a large measure, the CIA. The way that I look at it is, I think there really are geniuses that start these companies, but I've been in this area. I actually started my first tech company in 95. So I've seen this up front, but as you know, I was 19 when I started my first company. So I've spent time within Silicon Valley and I've spent time on Wall Street and I could tell you how bad it is. But my view on how it's broken is they just sit there waiting for other people to come up with the ideas and they know that they can control and shape those ideas through funding. So this is where Silicon Valley has massive influence. So if you come up with a great idea, what will happen is you'll have a venture capital firm, they'll come in and they'll say, yeah,

8:25we'll give you the money, but we want to control the board or we want to bring in our own CEO. And then they start directing the business. This is how, and I'm not saying this is necessarily true, but it's conceivable. I don't know if you remember, Google started out with this kind of do-no-evil or do-no-harm kind of mentality. And that may have been true, but by the time the investors get involved and then they brought in Eric Schmidt to be CEO, so on and so forth, they started out with the idea of having a decentralized corporate structure with no hierarchy and with this mission of doing no harm. And now they've turned into one of the largest players in the surveillance state globally. And I don't think that happened because the founders of Google had that intent. I think it's the nature and structure of how the funding works that's pushed it towards this technocratic dystopia. That's a really good perspective. And it does make sense. And it's not just Silicon Valley and startups. You look at big food companies, for instance.

9:31They're looking for the small mom and pop chip maker that has started to gain some traction and all of a sudden their chips are doing well, so they come in and they buy them. I think it's very common that you'll see that. It's oftentimes easier, I think, for a company with the amount of money that these companies have just to come in and buy the small company that's already started instead of going through all the R&D and all that stuff they do. And then they can keep that founder story to it. So everyone always attaches to the founder story of, oh, these chips were made by my grandmother and her little shack in rural Mexico. And so they can attach themselves to that story. Well, that's a great point. And actually something that just came up recently. I used to get primal kitchen products. No, me too. Yeah, and Siete. Yeah. And so I was excited about, hey, can I have mayo that isn't completely seed oil. Exactly. And so, but I understand that, and I don't know what the full resolution of this is, but they were bought out by one of the big companies. And then recently

10:31there was testing done and it turns out, the amount that's actually avocado oil is the amount required by law based on how they define your ability to market something as being natural or whatever it is. But it turns out it's there's a lot of seed oil in that. And my point on that is I'm not sure that if Mark Sisson who started that company started out with that or if that's what happened as a result of the company being acquired. But this is what happens all of the time. And this is, you know, you hit the nail on the head with, with big food, they do that. They take these things and then nobody pays attention. Because who's really paying attention? I mean, people are hopefully paying more attention now, but you have to pay attention to the ingredients and foods that you think you buy that are safe. You got to update that because they're going to add multidextrin. They're going to add seed oils that you know, and if certainly if the company gets bought out, it's going to be a race to the bottom. And that's what happens with food health biotech the whole nine yards. And by the way, interestingly, with a similar set of investors

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14:39then the platforms that they own and controlled were very anti-Trump, very anti conservative values, you know, whether it was Amazon pulling books off or Facebook, canceling people for questioning the election or anything like that. Yet all of the sudden, there's this kind of 180 and you've got all these people suddenly standing right behind Trump, Elon Musk, all these people that all of the sudden, very, very pro Trump front row and the inauguration and all the big events. And you have Elon Musk getting involved. You know, we have Doge, which kind of has love. It's roots go back to Curtis Jarvin and even though Curtis Jarvin was going to be forming the America party, like he was one of the key people that was in talks with Elon Musk about forming the American party, you look and think, okay, who's this Curtis Jarvin guy? It's like, oh, this guy's ideologies are frightening to say it, to kind of say the least. And what we've seen though under the Trump administration is a rapid increase in what you could call the infrastructure of technocracy, the data centers, the flock cameras, the AI development, the government contracts,

15:41the giant tech companies integrating with our own government. And it seems like from, again, this is my own theory that I have is that I think that what we're witnessing is more of a technocratic coup. Like I feel like that, like that, like that, the entire magma movement became this vehicle to get to get Trump in and then to bring in this technocracy. And so, yeah, what are your thoughts on that? It's a classic bait and swing. So if you go before the 2020 pro election, one of the themes that people were excited about was people were starting to sour on the world economic forum and Klaus Schwab and the UN. And so Trump painted himself as this American first guy that was going to be focused on our national sovereignty. And then to your point, he won. And what the way I like to frame it now is we're getting agenda 2030 in 2028.

16:45It because we essentially have no resistance to the essence of Klaus Schwab's agenda. And these people are pushing it. And now when Elon Musk or Peter T.O. or Larry Ellison or Sam Altman pushed this, it's now packaged up as patriotism, not as a global, globalist technocracy that's a threat to free will, which is what it actually is. So we are getting all of the things that Trump said that he was against. And this was an issue for I've been focused on technocracy and specifically I started out with a focus on warning people about CBDCs. And then that expanded into all of technocracy. But I got involved in politics. I ran for president in 2024. I'm in New Hampshire where we have the first in the nation primary. And I ran specifically in the Republican primary to raise awareness around the CBDC issue. And I wrote a book. I talked to the Vekrama Swami about it. And Vekrama Swami talked to Trump about it. And Trump came out

17:46against CBDCs in my home state of New Hampshire, like the week before the presidential primary here. And so people were telling me, oh, you must be excited. Trump said he's against CBDCs. You know, you won or you know, you must be relieved. And this is for me where we've had the exact inversion. What we have is actually worse than a CBDC. They've passed something called the Genius Act where they've taken stable coins, which are really popular, something like Tether or USDC, these digital tokens that represent the dollar. These are really popular. People did about $33 trillion worth of transactions last year using stable coins. And what the Genius Act does is it says, okay, now stable coins have to be backed by US Treasuries. So in other words, we're not getting rid of the dollar. You're actually taking a digital programmable version of the dollar that's private and forcing it to be backed by Treasuries. And now you're putting it under the surveillance and control of Congress. And to be clear, it's Congress that's more than even the Federal Reserve that is

18:49responsible for tracking, programming and censorship. I don't like the Federal Reserve. They're a useless third party. But if you look at the Know Your Customer Laws, all the paperwork that you have to fill out, the biometric information that you have to provide, if you do a transaction more than $10,000, or report automatically goes to the Treasury Department, all of that regulation and surveillance comes from Congress. That now is applied to stable coins, which are now required to be backed by Treasuries. So it is a backdoor CBDC. And yet people have no idea. They're sitting around celebrating saying, well, America is going to be, we're leading the way in cryptocurrency. And now there's another bill called the Clarity Act, which is worse than the Genius Act. In fact, I've stated this several times. It's the largest surveillance bill ever proposed in the history of the United States. And it affects stable coins as well, because what are the newest changes to the languages that they can freeze or burn or even force you to exchange your stable coin under the

19:50Clarity Act. So in other words, let's say you're using Tether or USDC, they can come in and say, well, you know what? We've now created a CBDC. We're going to force you to exchange your stable coins for our CBDC or for another stable coin that is more programmable or more trackable. And so in this area, Trump has been much worse. But again, you don't hear people talking about this. There's so much propaganda and so much money being spent to promote this legislation, the Genius Act and the Clarity Act as being pro-innovation and pro-crypto, that most people have no idea that they've essentially just signed up for Klaus Schwab except for the fact they're an option. And I think that really highlights what I think is what I'm really kind of referring to is that the Maga Trojan horse is that you have a lot of the Maga heroes that are now the ones pushing this same information. There's a lot of paid influence campaigns. I think a lot of it, you know, you have money from our own government, you have money from Israel. But it's apparent that

20:50there's a lot of influence and a lot of propaganda coming into the people that were the complete freedom fighters, the people that were fighting against propaganda and exposing propaganda. And you, and even just was it yesterday, I think it was that we saw that data Republican was actually an employee, you know, an employee of the Department of War for a period. And I'm not sure if you saw that going around yet. I mean, that's, you know, she's a very influential person, especially with all the doge and everything. And you see it's like, oh, gosh, these influence campaigns are significant. And when I see this all unfolding, especially, you know, because when, yes, you probably know, when you, when you become what you might call an influencer, right, which is kind of a weird term to even talk about. But, you know, you sort of see things that you don't see from the outside. You have a certain perspective that's more inside the system. And you can, you can sort of see and see the patterns of, of, of influence, I think, in different ways. And that's what I'm noticing is just that there is a, there's a massive psychological

21:53operation that's going on right now to, I think to keep the support strong for technocracy and to support flock cameras. And it, it's strange. The people again that were fighting against the stuff a couple of years ago are now the ones that are just, hey, just, it's, it's a kind of the Charlie Kirk assassination. The same people are questioning everything are now just trust the government, trust the FBI, loan shooter, magic bullet. Yeah. Well, you brought up a good point that I didn't, or a good question that I don't think I answered, but what, you know, what happened to Elon Musk, what happened to all these people that were against Trump and everything else? And they've always been pro technocracy. It's critical that people understand that Elon Musk is explicitly pro technocracy. He is, you, you can search the tweets. He doesn't hide it. He actually says Mars will be a technocracy. He's run polls on it. His grandfather was the head of the technology party in Canada. He has stated openly and he, and again, he, this isn't something that he's withdrawn, that he's

22:57foreign energy credit system. He has stated that cash is going to go away and that we're going to move to a currency based on energy. This is the essence of technocracy. So Elon Musk didn't have a, a switch, as I said, the political parties don't matter. The technocrats, what the technocrats are effective at doing is using the force of the state through regulation and then subsidies through tax credits to push their global technocratic agenda. And it gets positioned as being patriotic. And what's amazing is that people fall for it. But part of the reason that they fall for it is what you just described. We're actually dealing with, I would argue more censorship. People say, well, Elon Musk saved free speech. He didn't. He now has algorithmic control. So while it may be more obvious as to who is outright banned or not, the control and the lever of that algorithm is massive. And I will tell you, my traffic is down 90% because all I talk about is technocracy. Post that I had that would do 100, 200, 300,000 views. I'm getting 1,000 views because I'm

24:01explicitly talking about technocracy. But then go look at these other platforms. Look at who's involved in rumble, JD Vance, Vivek Ramaswami. These are people that have ownership positions. Peter Teal has been involved in Facebook, Palantir. So all of the, quote, distribution channels and social media companies that people claim are now about free speech are actually controlled by technocrats who can completely manipulate the algorithm to push their agenda to form a soft censorship. Oh, I couldn't agree more with that. I mean, on Twitter, for instance, I've got maybe 93,000 followers. Most of my posts get 2,000 or 3,000 impressions. And yet there's also, there's accounts that you see that they've got half a million followers. And they regularly have posts that are getting millions and millions of impressions. Their average post is getting 100, 200, 300,000 impressions. And it's not just that. It's Facebook,

25:02it's YouTube. Rumble, I haven't seen any level of censorship on rumble. Maybe because I know some of the team over there and perhaps it's, I'm not sure why, but I've done well with rumble. I haven't had any issues with them. But it's definitely still there. And now, one thing I want to ask, and just trying to form the thoughts on this to understand, I really want to hear your thoughts on this, is that I've been trying to understand where does Trump stand in all this? Because I was someone that, especially back to 2020, I was a very strong supporter. The original video that I made that started my career was the Plot the Steel America, which was highlighting election fraud. It was very, very pro Trump. And I was very, very focused on that. And I was convinced that Trump was this guy coming from the outside that was going to drain the swamp, and that was going to prosecute the Epstein stuff and do all these things that I think a lot of

26:05people were hoping for. And yet I feel like it's almost been not just the opposite, but it's like, in addition to like throwing Epstein aside, kind of mocking the people that believed in the Epstein conspiracies, it's not just that. It's that this technocratic system is being built under him or using him. And he's got to understand what's going on. I don't think that he's just some kind of innocent puppet. These people are controlling through various means. I mean, he has to be aware of what's happening in what's being built in this country. How do you make sense of that? I view him as I've spent a lot of time studying him over over the years. I mean, I actually met him when I was 19. It was it was kind of early on in the in the process. And he is very opportunistic. He's very shrewd about being opportunistic. So he is not driving the technocratic agenda. Like, for instance, if you go back to let's take the category of cryptocurrency, during his first

27:07administration, he was anti crypto. He had all of these comments out about Bitcoin is bad and crypto is bad. And you know, I'm not a fan of Bitcoin. So I don't want to get these things lump together. And then, but then all of a sudden, you know, he gets elected the second term in 72 hours before the inauguration, they launch two meme coins. And his net worth has increased more in the second term than I think, you know, at any point, prior to that. And a lot of this is monetizing his own position and his own policy. And by the way, to me, the most, if somebody, if you wanted to ask me, what is the most concrete example of technocracy, it's what is being proposed in Gaza? They are proposing taking Gaza, which you could argue is a open air prison and turn it into a digital prison. And this isn't a conspiracy theory or even like a world economic forum poster of a 15 minute city. This is a business plan that was presented at Davos. And I have all 31 slides of it.

28:10And at the end of this, they're going to build, I believe six or eight AI powered smart cities in Gaza with a digital currency, which will be a stablecoin. And in fact, it's been floated that the Trump family stablecoin, USD one might be the actual digital currency for this reconstruction project. Palantir is involved. And if you are a citizen or prisoner to whatever you want to call it of Gaza, what you will get is you don't get any of your land back. You'll get a digital token that basically gives you the ability to either leave or to be held captive in one of these AI powered smart cities. This is an actual business plan. Jared Kushner is involved. It's a real estate deal. And part of what's pushing it is the board of peace. So I want to go back to something that I said prior to 2024, people, there was a big consensus around, yeah, we need to stop the WEF. We need to stop the UN. And it was all about this globalism versus America first. Well, Trump then creates this board of peace. And the board of peace is this multinational organization that has its own military

29:16force. I believe they have like 20,000 people. Trump is the chair for life in order to become a participant. You have to contribute at least a billion dollars. He structured this so that the US is going to they haven't put it in yet. But I think he committed to the US putting in 10 billion dollars. And the people on the board of this are Trump, Tony Blair. And by the way, if anybody, you know, out there is, you know, saying that Trump's not a globalist, he brought in Tony Blair of all people to be on the board. You have the president of the World Bank on the board. So this board of peace is essentially the new UN. But there's nothing different about the agenda. It's pushing the exact same technocratic agenda. And no nations benefit from this. These projects are corporations. It's not like this is a pro US. You couldn't even make that argument even if you could bypass the morality of it. You couldn't even make the argument based on financial interests. The interests are specific companies and specific individuals. And so, so I don't think Trump

30:19pushed the technocratic plan, but he has now positioned himself to be he and his family the biggest financial beneficiary. Yeah, and you can't you can't ignore that. It's if you look at even looking at the crypto space, I forget what the name of their crypto company is world. World Liberty. Yeah, there you go, right? Because if you look at you mentioned before, kind of this backdoor CBDC, you've got Howard Lutnik heavily involved, right? With what's it? Fitzgerald Cantor, I think, is his company that his sons are running. You've got Tether, right? We don't talk about Tether. You've got, you know, world liberty as well. And what you can see is that it kind of, you know, that the who ra ra, oh, wow, great. You know, Trump is against the CBDC. I think again, it's it's another bait and switch, whereas it's like, oh, actually, what's even worse is a private is the private version. Similar to what we were talking about earlier with Silicon Valley, is that, you know, a private company managing this technology, this information isn't bound by

31:22the same laws as if it was done by, you know, through Congress or through a governmental agency. There's a lot more freedom and a lot more opportunity to eat away at our freedoms. Well, again, the stablecoins ended up being programmable. They ended up being freezable. And at the end of the day, you know, my view is that we need money separated from state. This is why, you know, I stopped using a personal bank account in 2019. I live on crypto gold and silver, but I've moved into privacy coins entirely because it's so even in the stablecoin realm, you know, you use something like freedom dollar, which is a privacy stablecoin instead of something like tether because you need to worry about your government freezing it and and tracking it. And not because you're engaged in, you know, illegal activities, all we have to do is look at what happened in 2020 and everything involving the Canadian truckers and COVID lockdowns and everything else. We are already aware of the willingness and ability for the government from the top down to violate our constitutional rights and then them having the ability to do that through digital programmable money and digital

32:25programmable assets is that is the springboard for complete digital tyranny. Now the Trump family, I mean, they're not only involved in it with this proposal with the thing in Gaza's one thing, but USD one is already being used in Pakistan. And so what's happening is he's using political ties and political influence to push his particular digital programmable currency, which by the way, has backdoors and there's all kinds of other stuff going on with this. But Trump cannot, there's no it playing ignorance card. There's no, you know, at some point, you know, I don't know how this guy can be playing 5D chess and yet get fooled all of the time now into a second term, but there is, he's not naive, he's not stupid, he's not playing 5D chess, but he is opportunistically going with the tide and he's positioned himself really well. I mean, again, I don't think I ran conflict, it's not about stopping nuclear weapons. And in fact, even the foreign policy that we've had in the Middle East, you know, if you look at it, it's not even cynical. It's I think pretty accurate

33:27to suggest that what's going on in Gaza is now part of a technocratic reconstruction project that has private beneficiaries. It's not about national defense at all. And it's expanding. You know, what do you think is going to happen when they go into talking about Cuba and talking about all these other things? At the end of it, there's going to be a Trump resort, a digital currency and a new surveillance system. But it's coming here too. And it's already largely here in America. So I mean, I created a site called Technocracy Alice to show people what's going on in every state in the US and in every country in the world. And if there's a section up at the top with maps, animated maps that shows the growth of technocracy from 1973 through today and then projected out to 2030. And I have all kinds of data. If you know, it's a free site, people can, you can get an email, submit your email address and you get a PDF that shows you in your state what's going on. And I have all the methodology used to calculate this. This should be horrifying

34:33to people because it's not somebody just saying, well, gee, this is a conspiracy theory that these things are happening. Most of these things have already happened. And the amount of surveillance that's going on, what's already going on with, you know, flat cameras, which people are now starting to become aware of. But the infrastructure for this has been going on and being built piece by piece for decades. And, you know, we have real ID in the United States. That is the basis for the digital ID. And it was, there was resistance against it for 20 years. It was actually initially proposed as a tie into an emergency relief typhoon bill. And it passed, but the states pushed back for 20 years. And it wasn't until the first 120 days of Trump's second term that real ID was implemented. And now I believe it's digital in 13 states. The goal is for it to be digital in all 50 states by 2028. That's your digital ID. Where's the outrage about a digital ID? I saw people when the UK was talking about it. When Starmer several months back was talking

35:35about forcing a digital ID, people in America were laughing and saying, oh, we don't ever want to become like that. You know, look at these people. You know, aren't we glad that we won the revolution? And a lot of those people have a real ID and don't even know it. And I think that that's a big part of this is that the more I look at this and where I observe what's happening in America, I think actually, I actually believe that America is one of the most captured countries in the world. Like, I think that we're one of the least free countries in the world. And that's it's probably a controversial statement. Of course, you know, we don't have, we're not communist China, we're not, you know, countries that even the UK, you can see, you know, some pretty aggressive things happening. But I think that it's partly that and I'd be careful with how I word this, and I'll probably upset a few listeners. But the whole idea of the constant repetition of America is land of the free land of the free. We're telling, we're being told how free we are. I think it's not that far away from having a dog in a cage and you tell the dog every day,

36:38you're free, you're free, you're free. And I think that Americans, like, we have just this idea that, oh, this is America is the land of the free, but we don't realize that almost the entirety of what's around us in this country is captured, whether it's by what you've talked about with, you know, private countries, you know, companies with their own interests or government agencies. Like, if you look at just the medical system is captured, the Silicon Valley is basically captured. Our own, our own army, our own military, our own fighting force. I'd say in many ways is captured. Look at, you know, how they handled the mRNA shots, you know, COVID, everything. Our education system has been kind of captured since almost day one, right, when Rockefeller came in and funded and changed everything. If you look at so much of what makes things up in America, it's like, we're almost, it's like, it's like an open air prison. And now we see they're intentionally poisoning our food, they're poisoning our skies, they're poisoning our minds, they're, you know, poisoning our children. There's all these things that are happening, but I think for a lot of Americans, they can't see it for what it is because they have this idea of what America is in

37:41their minds that, oh, America is free. I can go buy a gun. I can do this. Yeah, so I mean, I actually get an episode on this and it is controversial to say this and I want to say this and I think you probably are in the same state. I mean, I love the, the ideals of what this country was founded on. Have you look at the constitution, look at the declaration of independence? This was the experiment in freedom, but at some point you have to look at it objectively and the only way you can retain or even have the hope of maintaining that is through radical honesty because if you're still buying the slogan, but you're actually living the inversion of it, then you're lying to yourself and you're doing yourself a disservice. And objectively, and I've laid out this argument, the only two areas that the United States is first in is military spending and incarceration rate. This is an objective fact. We have the 38th highest health care costs. We are horrible from the standpoint of press freedom. We're not at the top of list of economic freedom. We're not even leading by the way in innovation, you know, regardless of how we think the innovation is being

38:45directed. China is ahead in like 58 of 64 technology categories. We've long had this idea of that it's communist China and their dirtboard, whatever they're stealing IP. They're ahead of us in almost all of these areas. Education is a disaster. And so we have to recognize that and accept the truth of it before we can improve it. Just wanting it to be how it's been propagandized to us isn't going to make it true. But it is a hard pill for people to swallow. People don't want to hear it. People immediately become defensive about it. But if you want America to be the freest country, then you actually have to acknowledge this and you have to work for it. I couldn't agree more. And it makes me think because if you look at the complexity of the the psychological operations, they're they are so complex. There's a lot of people that they think that they've gotten outside this system. They've researched it. They've figured out,

39:48I mean, look at the entire Q movement, which I think now I think is almost certainly some sort of government operation, whether it's Mossad, whether it's CIA or kind of two bird wings the same bird. I think that what it did is it took all these people that would have been radically resistant to the exact same things we're talking about right now. They would have been the ones with, you know, forming militias. You know, they would have been the most resistant to what was happening. And they've convinced a large chunk of those people that doesn't matter what Trump does. It doesn't matter if whether it's a clarity act or some of the stuff with crypto and CBDC or the Epstein files, whatever he does, they have a way of spinning it and saying, oh, well, this is exactly part of the plan. This is him. He's pulling out the enemies. He's exposing the enemies. And I think that that's just one part of it. But I think that the the psychological operation of this, and I've even got myself wondering, you know, all the media hatred of Trump, right? Going back to 2016, all of the

40:51just the venomous hatred towards Trump, it's made me wonder was that part of the plan? Was that because they knew people were losing trust in the media and they needed to bring somebody in. They needed to get the people that were again, the most likely to be resistant to government tyranny. And they it's like, did they need to get them to be convinced that this one guy was going to come in and and drain drain the swamp and and we take out take down this deep state, cabal and system. Because I've been wondering is like, is this whole thing some sort of just very complex social engineering campaign to get all these people somehow convinced that politics is the way to fix things? I think anything that is designed to cause you to believe in something other than yourself, anything that's designed to move you away from taking responsibility for your own thoughts, your own actions and your own emotions is a sia up, whether it's intentional or not. And I really truly firmly believe that. So I think it's completely plausible that this was

41:55manufactured. I mean, if you take a step back and you look at it, how did we go from the guy that pushed operation warp speed and added more debt in one term than any president in the history of the United States to being all of a sudden the only person in the entire world that could save Western civilization? Right? I mean, he didn't exactly have the bio to even be able to do it. So and the problem with it is it's demoralizing because you talk to people now and now look, people have it's it's you'll like yourself many others have looked at this and said, okay, this obviously isn't what we expected it to be, but I think demoralization is part of it. You tell people believe in something outside of what you can do for your own life. And then and then we're going to put the of the worst possible person up there that's going to let you down the most. And you know, we were talking a little bit before this. I you know, I was involved in politics. Then I got completely out of politics. And I started focusing on kind of this idea of exiting and building. And I've recently realized I've I've modified kind of my my thinking or my own personal tagline, which is

43:00now exposed obstruct exit and build simply because this technology is accelerating so rapidly that we don't even have time to exit and build. I mean, so many people would have to be exiting and building so so quickly to be able to overcome the rollout of flock cameras to be able to overcome the rollout of the genius act and the clarity act. And by the way, the clarity act is about taking everything that you own digitizing it and making it programmable, trackable, and sensible. So not just the money, not just how you pay for things, your stocks, your bonds, your car, your house, all of that will be a digital token that can be centrally controlled, which is why I say it's the largest surveillance bill ever proposed. Well, these things are being put in place with no friction. So I know a lot of us are working on the exiting and building, but as I'm looking at this, even as I'm, you know, dealing with, you know, privacy coins and everything else, the the the window of opportunity is shrinking for exiting and building. And so I think that it's important to come up with some innovative strategies to obstruct the system and expose the system

44:04at the political level and at the legal level as well. So just to just to highlight and say back to them, want to hear more about the kind of some of the solutions, whereas before it was easy to have the idea of you see this being you see this being built and it's almost like you see a storm coming and you're just going to escape. You're going to kind of retreat up into the mountains, build a little cabin to create your own little safe haven. But I think that now I think it's your as you mentioned, it's apparent that the storm is gaining speed and it's so powerful and so fast, that's not going to save you anymore. You have to figure out how to educate people about the storm coming and obstruct what's happening with the storm. And so you're a man of action, you know, just talk about things, you do things. So when you're looking at this technology emerging and not necessarily emerging, it's almost like it's now rearing its head, it's been it's been building and building for decades and decades, but now we're seeing it more, it's kind of come out of the surface now. What are the ways that we can resist it, obstruct it,

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46:19Again, that's goldwithseth.com. And here's something to load extra. If you just mentioned my name when you reach out to noble gold, they're going to send you a one-tenth ounce of gold coin just as a thank you when you open a new qualified account. So again, that's goldwithseth.com. One of the things that came out of my political activism is I realized that you can't fix the system you know from within within the third within the two parties, but you can use a third party strategically not that a third party can win, but when you have a 50 50 divided country, you can use a third party race to influence the outcome of the race. And so for I did this in 2016, I ran for US Senate to cost our senator the race because she was interfering in our state politics. And it was successful. I ran as an independent. I got 18,000 votes. They were they pulled mostly Republicans. She lost by a thousand votes. It was the most expensive US Senate race per capita in the history of the United States. So I'm looking what's going on with this technology. And I look at some of

47:23the things that Trump said. Now, he said so many things that he's gone back on are not fulfilled that you know, it could have been a longer list, but I focused on four. He said he was going to end the war on crypto. Well, he didn't end the war on crypto. And you know, I've been advocating for people that have been targeted were targeted under Biden. I've been advocating for these people publicly for years, people like Ian Freeman, Roger Vier, Roman Storm, Keone Rodriguez, William Hill, Roman Sterling off Ray Eusef, these these seven people, I mean, it didn't start out as seven. It started out as one and now it's seven because the persecution has continued under Trump. So I said, look, he needs to end the war on crypto. He needs to kill the clarity act, which again, is like, I didn't even have to describe it. It's it's 10. It's the Patriot Act times 10. He needs to fire Howard Lutnik because he said he was going to drain the swamp. Howard Lutnik is in my opinion, the single clearest embodiment of the swamp. And you mentioned it earlier, but everything from his ties with Epstein to his ties with Tether, where you know, he negotiated a deal for his firm

48:28to manage all the treasuries backing the world's largest stablecoin, then gets into politics and pushes the legislation requiring stablecoins to be backed by US treasuries. It's it's corruption on a blatant scale. And nobody's even questioning this. Like nobody's even looking at this as if it's a bad thing. Lutnik was involved in writing the tariff legislation, which he wrote four times too high. And it got reversed by the Supreme Court. Well, meanwhile, his family, Cantor Fitzgerald, profited on that. They bet that the tariff would be turned over at the Supreme Court and profited from it. And then last I put on our kind of end the draft, but this idea that were even in Iran, so many people voted for Trump on the basis of his numerous statements on no new wars in the Middle East. And yet here we are, they're talking about the draft in this situation. And there's nothing that's come out. This is this this situation in Iran doesn't even reach the colon pal lying to the UN about nuclear material in Iraq. This is actually there's less of a basis for this. And so I

49:32I'm running for US Senate again as a third party, but the idea being this right now based on the prediction markets, the breakdown, it's a 50 50 toss up of who's going to control the US Senate. Well, I've already shown that running as a third party, I can cost this race, the Republican in the race, John E. Sinuno is a technocrat. He's one of these political dynasty guys who when he was a US Senator before voted for the Patriot Act, voted for real ID, voted for tarp, became the chair of a W. E. F. Finance Committee because of his involvement with tarp, then became a lobbyist for big pharma and went from a net worth of less than a million dollars to 36 million dollars. And now he's running again as a quote independent Republican. So I'm not worried about people like, well, if you run, you're going to cost the Republican the election. If that's a Republican, at some point, you have to kind of clean house. But what I've said is if Trump meets those four demands, honors what he said he was going to do, and the war on crypto killed the clarity act, fire, lute, and the draft, then I won't go on the ballot. But if he does, then I will be on

50:39the ballot and it may cost the Republican's control of the United States Senate. In other words, there's accountability, one of two ways, either before the election or after the election. So what I'm saying is you can use a third party to try to hold the existing parties accountable. We're not going to fix the system, but it might by time. But I want to say one other thing emerged throughout this that I think is a tool for everyone who wants to get involved with obstruction. They have tried to keep me off of the ballot in the state of New Hampshire. It's very difficult to get on the ballot. You have to sign this declaration of candidacy. And then you have to collect 3,000 certified signatures. Well, they have tried to keep me off the ballot saying that my declaration of candidacy wasn't legitimate. They said, I wasn't registered to vote where I live, so on and so forth. So I sued them in federal court. Now, this is the important part. I sued them, pro-say. I used AI, and this is kind of in the category of fighting fire with fire. I used AI, and I defeated the attorney general of the state of New Hampshire in federal court.

51:42And based on the analysis, I'm going to go through all of this here. But if I were to have paid a lawyer to do what I was able to do with AI, it would have cost between $200,000 and $400,000. Instead, it cost me $400 in filing fees. And my time using AI. Now, by the way, it took me 200 hours. I trained myself on the cases. I did all kinds of prep. I ran simulation. Like, there a lot went into this. But here's my point. How often do we just simply not fight tyranny and fight technology because we can't afford it? You can't even play at that level. If it's going to cost $200,000, no one's going to fight. How many laws are there that are just blatantly unconstitutional that no one even challenges is because you can't pay the entry fee? So what I'm saying is you could use, and I'm going to make tools available next year, maybe sooner, depending upon how this other stuff comes out, to help others fight in court pro-say. So imagine now you can fight flock cameras in court pro-say as your own lawyer. That pro-say means you're representing yourself.

52:47It means you're representing yourself. So I drafted all the documents. I drafted, like I said, it estimated 175 to 290 hours worth of legal time is what went into creating these legal documents. And then I even trained myself on how to handle myself in court because I was going head to head against, in this case, the assistant AG and one, just crush them. Now the state is still appealing. The ruling of the magistrate and everything else, and more interesting is how much are they going to push to try to keep me off the bat? That in and of itself is telling. But what I'm saying is that the two techniques here that I think are valuable are the ability to use AI to empower people to fight pro-say at all levels, whether you're fighting the state or whether you're fighting technocracy and large technocratic firms. And then the ability to use a strategic third party, like the way that I'm using it, to hold the other parties accountable and to slow things up. Again, I'm not saying there's a political solution. What I'm saying is though, there is a way

53:50to absolutely slow down the system on both fronts, which we need. I mean, if we could buy five years, that would be really helpful because if this stuff happens by 2028, we're in serious trouble. And frankly, at the rate, this is accelerating right now. Everyone should look at the Clarity Act immediately because they're coming back and they're going to potentially vote on it as early as September the 15th. If you think it's a crypto bill and your position is, I don't care about crypto, if you own a stock, if you own an asset, if you own a house, if you own a 401k, you will be affected. Right now, you don't own the stock certificates in publicly traded companies or in your 401k. You go through a broker. So that broker is just going to convert the paper stock certificates that you don't own to these digital tokens that you don't own that can be more easily controlled by the government and other third parties. This is why if you're just thinking of it's a crypto bill and it doesn't affect me, it absolutely affects everyone. I want to highlight one thing that you mentioned in talking about the race and the control over the house. And this is a tricky one.

54:54This is something that I find that is even a lot of the people that are watching my show that would still consider themselves Republicans. It's almost like blasphemous to talk about not voting or what you're talking about and intentionally holding out and affecting the race in a way that would potentially hurt Republicans. But again, I think that as you're talking about earlier, when you have these ideas that you've had for so long, those ideas become your reality. It's hard for a lot of people to objectively question those things. It's hard to look yourself in the mirror and question some of the very foundational beliefs that you have about how things work. It's not easy. It's uncomfortable. But I personally enjoy doing it because I find that I grow, whenever I do that, I grow and I expand. I feel as if I get closer to what's true and what's right and what's just. But if you look at it, even with the idea of left versus right, it's like for a lot of a lot of conservatives or Republicans, you could tell them, you've got blue and you've got the red. If you vote for the red, America's going to turn into

55:58a technology. If you vote for the blue, there's going to be more upfront online censorship. You're going to have boys back in the girls' sports and you're going to have some other issues and more communist leanings. But you're looking at both things. For me, I'm looking at saying, I'm not sure which is worse. When I look at this, it's like, well, they're both really bad. I think it's apparent to me now. They're both really bad. But for a lot of people, they'll still say, if they say, oh, Aaron Day, you're just your turncoat trader. If you're going to do something that would potentially affect the outcome of the, whether the Republican kind of maintains control over the house or whatnot. I think it's just another instance of that people they're still very, very controlled by this political system. They're very controlled by it. And now you'll see as we approach some midterms, and there's a lot of these same influencers that are, like, I think, being paid, not all of them, but I think a lot of them are. It's going to be, hey, we have to get out and vote. We got to have a red wave. And it's like, I'm aware of the red wave that was supposed to happen, what, four years ago, that ended up being a whole nothing burger.

57:02And then we had Trump coming in his recent term with massive control, the federal government, massive control of what's happening in Congress and the house. And you look at this, and it's like, that control has been used to accelerate the building of the technology to build the digital prison even faster and more efficiently. So it's like, well, how do you even position yourself? Whether you vote for a Republican or whether you vote for a Democrat, you get technocrats, and you have to understand that Elon Musk, Peter T. These people can control the parties. They use the parties, and they'll side with whoever's in power. That means that's inevitably what happens. Bill Gates will flip. All of a sudden Bill Gates is at the table. At one point, Trump is going to sue Mark Zuckerberg, and now Mark Zuckerberg is on his AI committee. So for these technocrats, they are political. They're technocrats. They're not Republicans or Democrats, and technocracies are global ideology. Once you understand it, accept that you realize that we're just getting played. They want us divided on red versus blue. But the one thing that I will say is I

58:07was a Republican for a long time. My stepmother was the co-chair of the RNC, and was actually Trump's ambassador to Costa Rica. So I mean, I grew up as I've seen about as much Republican as you can see. But the things you have to now look at it and say, well, there's going to be a red wave, or there's not going to be a red wave. The Republicans have complete control of all three branches of government. And in my state, they have control over all three branches of government. And the deficit, deficits have continued. Gas here, I don't know where you are. It's more than four dollars a gallon here. It's much more expensive. We're at war all over the place. And the surveillance state is expanding. So the question for people that get stuck on the, well, at least it's not a Democrat. I mean, how much worse does it need to get? And the truth of the matter is when you study this, the worst possible situation is one party rule, regardless of which party. You can look at spending. You can look at all of the stuff. And it is not true that Republicans are fiscally conservative. And it's not true that Democrats are anti-war. None of that is true objectively. That's the rhetoric that they use. But in the end, you have to start looking at

59:11the results. And the end, I believe, this is why from the standpoint of as much as I'm running for office and doing the stuff on the obstruction side, I ditch the dollar. I actually created a site called ditch the dollar. Stop using the dollar. I stopped using the healthcare system. I created something called OSARA. I recommend that people form a medical trust to protect your assets from the medical complex because every minute in this country, someone files for medical bankruptcy, every minute. And 75% of those have health insurance. Health insurance does not protect you from a catastrophic situation. And so you can use medical tourism and you can save 80% and get better health outcomes. I'm not talking about just cosmetic surgery. I'm talking about complex bypass surgery. I'm talking about forms of treatment you can't even get in the United States. Once you start exploring these things, and as you said, you've got to change your thinking. What is the thinking been? How long have we heard? America has the greatest healthcare system in the world. We hear that all the time. It is objectively 100% false. I saw a graph recently

1:00:17from the Jeffrey Tucker sent it out on the under brownstone that shows the graph of healthcare spending and then life expectancy. Even pre-COVID, your life expectancy had started to decline in the United States. And I think we spend something like $4 trillion a year on healthcare. Well, once you get out of the mode of you might think, oh, well, I have to use insurance and I have to work within network. And you know, your belief as to what is possible for your healthcare options is like predefined in the same red versus blue thing. It's like United Healthcare versus Signal, whatever. The reality is once you let all that go, you'll find you can pay less even in the United States cash than you pay for premiums. And it is that much scam. This is why on oasara.com, I actually put together a list of some of the things not to get into too much detail, but I mean, these hospitals have a kind of a price sheet of how much everything costs. And they're supposed to make that price sheet publicly available. And 82% of hospitals don't opting instead to pay a $300

1:01:19a day penalty because if you saw in advance how much hospitals charge, you'd never pay for. You would never buy these services. I mean, there are cases where they'll mark up an alcohol swab that costs one cent and they'll charge you $7 for it. Rubber gloves and aspirin, so on and so forth. I mean, in what kind of economic system do you have a situation where people don't tell you the prices up front? And if you don't pay them, they push you into bankruptcy. Well, that is the nature of the healthcare system in the United States. And so I've just mentioned what I do from the standpoint of money and health, but every aspect of your life, you are in control of your own life. And you don't need to permission. Once you realize you don't need permission to take control of your life, it's a scary thing to have responsibility, but you can just walk away from these systems and begin to build other systems. And that ultimately is the way. But I do think the obstruction part is necessary for the purpose of buying time. How do you handle cell phone? Because I mean, this is one of the big ones. If you look at the backbone of the modern technocratic system,

1:02:21I think it's the cell phone. So what do you what do you use? I actually have one. It's a daylight freedom phone. You can actually go to daylightfreedom.org and click on phone. This is a D Google phone that that actually has a lot of the apps and everything that we've created pre-installed. But you can yeah, completely D Google a whole bunch of privacy VPN functionality. Alternate apps for a lot of the things that you use today. There are a lot of different alternatives for things like text and chat and social media that are not part of the big tech agenda. You can buy a SIM card. You can actually buy a SIM card using a privacy coin and remain undetected that way. So this is actually where I've gone with this. This is a recent addition to what we've been doing. But actually, you're looking at the phone, but the phone is one part of a broader initiative for daylight freedom. The idea behind daylight freedom is to help people improve their sovereignty

1:03:23across 10 different areas. Take back control of your mind. Take back control of your attention, your health, your education, your AI. And this phone just happens to be a highly leveraged way for you to attack a number of those areas. Because in the end, this is about reclaiming your mind, determining making sure you're deciding what you think. You're not being programmed by algorithms, by TV, by corporate influence, by government influence. It's the biggest thing that we all have the ability to do. And the most powerful thing we can do is reclaim. So I didn't realize because I was actually researching phones recently. And I didn't realize that you were behind the daylight phone because it was coming up in some of the research. On my mind, the daylight phone, there's a daylight computer, which is something completely different. This is just a phone. I'm surprised that would come up with the research. It's pretty new, but but nevertheless, I think it's an important tool. And once you start realizing how much of your time,

1:04:26like, I use AI all of the time. It's the same with all these technologies. I'm not anti-technology. For instance, you can use a digital currency and you can have a privacy coin like a Zeno or Freedom Dollar or a Minero, or you can have a CBDC or one of these government controlled stable coins. Well, there's a massive difference between the two. One, it enables you to engage in voluntary trade anywhere in the world without anybody tracking you. The other, it's zaps your free will and is a complete top-down control system. The same is true with AI. You can passively use AI. And you can do one of these things like people have done with chat GPP, where they use it as a psychologist. And then they end up getting tricked by the LLM into killing themselves, which is a horrible tragedy that's actually happened, or you can use it proactively and use it to defeat the Attorney General and Federal Court. So with all of these things, there are freedom versus tyranny components to it. And I think once, if we can start helping people realize that they have control and that there are always more than two choices, everything that we do is pushed into this

1:05:31duopoly frame in life. And that's not true. We live in a universe of infinite possibility. So it's a very, very, very good point. And I think that a big part of it is just helping people understand that and helping people to see outside of the binary system that they put us into. It's coca-pepsy. It's blue or red. I mean, this goes back and you go back and Edward Bernays, you look at the really the master social engineers, this is all part of the plan all along. It was exactly what we're seeing right now. But I think it's it's the algorithm of the cave. What they don't want is for people to realize that most of what you see around us is just their shadows on the wall. They're being manipulated by people to convince us that that is what reality is when there's actually an entrance to the cave and there's daylight outside. And that's where the real freedom exists. Absolutely. And it doesn't take many people to wake up. I mean, so many people are just sitting around doing what they imitate or doing what they see or doing

1:06:34what they've been taught. I mean, we could talk about it for years, frankly, what goes on with the medical community and the fact that what's defined as a standard of care, the more I drill down on these things, you find out there's nothing at the bottom of it or maybe even something with malicious intent. If people just start to become curious and start exercising their own mind, but realizing that you do have free will and that you do have the ability to make your own decisions, I don't even think a lot of people are aware of that. It doesn't even occur to them that that's actually the case, but it takes so few people to wake up to make a big difference and to start showing what's possible. And then, I think we I'm actually optimistic. I'll tell you oftentimes, when people talk to me and over the last few years, because it's been a lot of, well, here's what's the CBDC update. It's like, well, okay, if I'm going to go through and talk about genius and clarity, but I will tell you this ability to to obstruct this and the ability to use some of these different tools by this time. I have quite a bit of optimism that if we kind of broaden our horizons and take

1:07:36this, you know, expose, obstruct, exit and build framework, I actually think we can stop this technocracy. I'm also very optimistic for those reasons. And also, I'm optimistic because I think that so much of this plan, this technocratic agenda is built on the back of AI. And I think that the engineers of the AI, it's looking into the future, I think a lot of them thought they could play God and they thought they could create a life that was the most profound life that's ever existed in the universe, which is AI. And I think that it's that hubris and that arrogance that will be their downfall, because now again, we only have access to consumer grade AI. And I don't know what is, you know, being done on private servers or within the headquarters of the DOD or whatnot, but we can, you can see the AI is not living up to what they presented. And you can look at it in the finances, you can look at it in the companies that there's been reports coming out saying that a lot of companies have invested heavily into AI. It's not panning out. And so that's

1:08:40what I think does give me hope is that I think that the system that they think that they can build is the tower of Babel and that it is bound to come crashing down. Yeah, the way that they're implementing it. And by the way, this is even when you, because again, I do like AI, I view the AI as something, but it's because I'm training it on, on how I think. And it's helping me to think better, but that's not the way these AI systems are being pushed. And what's ironic about this, because you, you know, mentioned, if you, if you ever question whether America is this dominant place or whatever, one of the most fascinating trends in AI is the fact that all of these top down woke systems like Claude and Chad GPT and everything else, they're now facing a massive threat from open source models from China. I mean, a massive threat. And, and for a lot of people listening to this, it's really hard to even listen to what I'm saying, saying long enough to consider it. But we're in a situation where the Trump AI policy between the White House AI

1:09:45policy and this bill that was pushed forward by Marsha Blackburn from South Carolina in the Senate, this would give top down control over the AI to where the Department of Energy would need to get involved to approve whether an AI system can even be released to the public. The FCC would be involved in doing political bias analysis to whether or not the AI was biased. It would get rid of section to two, two 30s. So there's no free speech element of this at all, which would mean that the developers would be held liable. It gives commerce secretary Howard Lutnik the unilateral authority to snipe and shoot down any state regulation of AI. This is what is being pushed. This is the, it did say you don't have to believe me when you get off of this go and Google or you, whatever tool you want, find the White House AI policy and find this Marsha Blackburn bill. This is a complete

1:10:48top debt. So this is their vision of AI and that vision of AI won't work and to your point, it is the tower of Babel and it should be resisted. I even find some libertarians that are sitting here somehow viewing this as being free market. There's such a massive disconnect between capital, crony capitalism versus free market capitalism and there's a lot that's being misunderstood in the libertarian sector about, you know, it's just something today from the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire where they said, you know, we need to abolish democracy. And of course, I would argue we don't have a democracy. We have a, a republic, but that aside, the problem is a lot of this libertarian wing has been influenced by Curtis Jarvin in an essence. Yeah, mob world democracy is horrible. Technocracies actually worse. And so there's been a lot of trickery that's gone on in the political realm and a lot of misunderstanding about what AI can and cannot do and what government is trying to do through policy. Yeah, I absolutely agree. And Curtis Jarvin,

1:11:51I mean, we only touched on him briefly. He's an important, he's an important figure to research. If you understand more, say you really trust Elon Musk, he still think that the whole dark mega was just some kind of funny thing that he did. If you think that the baffamette, you know, chess plate he was wearing in his profile picture for a long time is just a way of kind of making fun of people. Look at Curtis Jarvin, look at his involvement, look at what he's doing. Look at some of his theories on his political theories and they're frightening. They're very frightening. So Aaron, we're already past an hour and it's been quick and fun, even talking about such dark things, but there is hope. What is the, so daylight freedom? Is this the main website you that people can come to to follow your work to learn more about you? Where can we check out what you're doing? Yeah, daylight freedom dot org links to all of stuff that we do. My daughter actually asked me, well, how should I describe what you do? And yeah, honestly, I don't have a good thumbnail for this, but you can go to daylight freedom and see all the different projects that we're working

1:12:54on. And then there's there's also day 2026. If you're interested in this obstruction political strategy, you can see what's going on with that. Again, I'm not advocating for a political solution. I'm advocating for using the political solution situation for obstruction. And you, a lot of your audience might be really interested in this legal case and how I was able to defeat the state. Because I think, you know, I, I know people that have faced family court issues. I know so many people that have gone broke just trying to interact with the legal system. And I think this can level the playing field. And I want as many people to find out about it as possible. There you go. So yeah, so that's day 2026 daylight freedom dot org. Also, technocracy at list. It's the other website that I had up for us. So technocracy at list dot com. You can look at your own state. You can look at, you know, country by country. And then also, you mentioned ditch the dollar dot com, which is another, another one. So well, Aaron, thank you again for, for giving us your time. Thank you for doing what you're doing. That's why I really

1:13:58enjoy talking to you because you're actually doing things. You're building tools. You're building websites. You're running for office. You're challenging things in court. You're not just sitting behind a computer screen complaining on Twitter and just arguing with people. You're actually doing things. And I think it's really commendable. I hope more people can take an example from what you're doing and get more active because I do think that our time is running out to a certain degree. But also, I want to just highlight this one quote you have on your website here. This isn't about left versus right. It's about humanity versus technocracy. The war on free will. I think this is maybe that the theme of today's show, right? It's not left versus right. It's humanity versus technocracy. And that needs to be the lens that we look at everything through. Whether we're judging a politician, looking at a policy, looking at someone on a local level, is that is it pro humanity or pro technocracy? It's a very, very clear distinction.

1:14:58Absolutely. Well, thank you for having me on and I hope we can do it again. Absolutely, man. Thank you so much, Sharon. Take care. Take care.