In The Weeds: Bobby’s Friend Ahmad on 20 Years of Friendship & Life Before Nashville

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3:02Because again, we were in California. We were waiting to do an interview. And it was in a studio that we had never used before. And it wasn't our equipment. We were running the studio. So we were just going to talk for five to ten minutes. Look at it. Make sure it looked good. And then let our interview roll in. Well, our interview ended up being about 15 minutes late. Which happens all the time in Los Angeles because traffic is so bad. So a modern I just kept talking. So here's my friend and mod and I talking about the good old days. Part two. Then it goes to part one. Which again, I don't know. We talk about a lot in part one. But enjoy this episode of In the Weeds. Hey everybody. We're back for another episode. You missed the first one. Well, it was about an hour ago that we shot it. We had to stop it early because I had an interview. But it's me and my great friend from a whole life of mod. Who's also grooming some of my wedding. True that. True that. That was cool.

4:02People said being inclusive, I said I got a Mexican and a black friend. And I might put them both in. You had a, yeah, rice is covered there. Yep. It's. What did you do though? That's what I do. Right. I don't see color. Actually, I literally don't. I can't say that because I'm colorblind. Because some people might take offense today. Yeah. I think you should see color. Because I think different races have different obstacles. Correct. But I don't see color a lot of them because I am colorblind. That is my obstacle. And people don't even give me. I should get a sticker. I should be able to park closer. Right. You just go on people's. Park. Yeah. I don't see color. That's no. And you know what? That's the truth of it. When I moved to Austin. 2003. Maybe I moved to. 2003. I think so. When did you move there? Right. I mean, I moved there in 2003. Yeah. Same time. Yeah. Yeah. Sex, sex, sex, sex, sex, sex. I'm from Texas State. I don't like your story of how we met.

5:03Your story sucks on how we met. What do you think my story is? Okay. Tell your story. We're in the same place and both of our versions of this. We go ahead and tell the story of how we met. And let's see if it stays consistent with what you said many times. Right. So I'm training at 24-hour fitness. I mean, this guy, another trainer, says, Oh, dang. I just talked to Bobby. And Bobby said, I guess you were in there. I don't know why. I mean, I guess you were going there and work out. I'm not working out. All right. So you're working out. I guess randomly you just got a membership at 24-hour fitness there. Close my house. That's over there. Right. So then he came. He goes, dude, he said he wanted to work. If I'm going to work out, I want to work out with that guy. And I was like, that's what he said. And he's like, I want to work out that big black guy. That's never I would never have said any of that. You said I think you trust me knowing you. I think you would say that. I don't see color. But you felt who I was. There's no, so that story's not true. And you say it, but you never heard it.

6:04Someone just told you that. I mean, I was there. I think he said it when you said it. I think you came right over. You're right. You told me that. I would say that because I don't think there's any shame in going black guy or Mexican guy. Because I don't have any, to me, that doesn't feel like it's wrong. So what? I think people who feel like it's wrong would be like, oh, I wouldn't say that. Like I would say that. I'd be like, that black dude over there. He owned that dude. And you did say that. I did not say that. I wouldn't even point it at somebody and said, I want that guy. You totally would. I wouldn't have picked out somebody. It wouldn't have mattered who it was. I want to picked out somebody and said, that's the guy I want to train with. That's not my personality. I don't know what you think we came to be. You've told two stories because that is one I've heard before. But the other one is like I was like trying to bench press and there was like no weight on the bar. Yeah. Oh, no, not yet. Okay. Here we go. I saw you bench pressing like, no, no, it was like 10, 10s on each side. Shut up. And you were like, I remember, I remember. I remember. I remember. I see you don't because you didn't remember it just now when you were telling story. I remember seeing you bench pressing 65 pounds.

7:0845, 55, six, yeah. You're out of your mind. You act like I'm 11. I was, I mean, maybe it's a warm up. I don't know. Okay, go ahead. When you're made, stuff, you saved me. No, I didn't save you. You just, I just saw you when I was squatting over in the corner by the mirrors. I looked over because my buddy was like, oh, he said he wanted, he wanted to train with that guy. That's the eye. I look over by, I look over my back. You're, you're been pressing 65 pounds. This is what would have happened. First of all, I wouldn't have picked somebody out on the floor and said, I want to train with him. I would never have done that. I would have just gone to the counter or whatever and just said, hey, I'd like to train. Like who do you have as a trainer? Because I think exact time, I exact, at that exact time, I think I came over to you and said, what's up? Okay. If you said hi and then someone else said, hey, you're looking at that after. Now I said that. I dispute that story. I just hate to say it.

8:08I wouldn't just go point at somebody and say, what the matter? Who it was? What did you think happened? You think you went up to the front desk and said, I want to train or anything. I'd like to train. That is not true. Okay. You can't tell me what is not true. You can't tell me what's true in my life. But because I can tell you for a fact, remove the big black guy part of it, I wouldn't have pointed to any person and said, I want that guy to train me. I wouldn't have done any part of my life for any reason whatsoever. Never. I'm almost certain that you don't confirm that story. I've never confirmed that story. You've confirmed that story trying to get me to confirm the story. Not true. No, I'm almost certain you did, bro. So you then became my trainer. Yeah. Then became trainer for years. Yeah. I mean, even more than trainer, because at one point, we were just like, yeah, we were training at some point, but very quickly after that, we were like, go downtown. I was like, I go downtown. You go downtown, sure.

9:10Yeah, we should go downtown. And we'd go downtown and make a couple of laps and be like, well, this place sucks, but really nobody like want to talk to us. We'd be like, this place is so lame. It's just that nobody wanted to talk to us. So we were just making excuses. This is really not our scene is it not sucks. Let's go. We do that in a few bars and be like tonight, blow as long as just go home. We would drive all the way back down. So I'd be like, man, these nights are as good as they used to be. Yeah. I remember going back to your house one time and I always think of it this. We go in and you said it. I don't know if you had a studio or not, but you had it. You had a computer and you had a microphone set up. And I was like, let me try to sing this. And you were like, oh, okay. We're just in the room hanging out. And we're just joking around talking. I'm trying to sing and you're just like, it's not good, but it's not bad. I'm like, I was just trying it. I was just trying to do something.

10:10You're like, yeah, yeah, that's cool to try. What's interesting about a relationship between a trainer and a client just, it doesn't even have to be us is that that's a very intimate relationship anyway. Yeah. Because it's one person and one person for an hour. The person who's training has to be vulnerable to the person who is being the trainer. Yeah. Like, I think there's a reason that a lot of people fall in love with their trainers. There's also a power dynamic there a bit. Yeah, with you and me though, it was, well, no, I didn't fall in love with you. I'm not saying it's us. I'm saying I can see, I can see how that that we became friends from that because we were very consistent. We have similar backgrounds in that, like our grandmas were a big part of both of our lives raising us. I think we just had a, we both grew up without much. I think we just had a bunch in common. Yeah. Being a trainer though, it's a lot more than that like with us because, yeah, being a

11:16trainer, you have to be personable to a lot of people no matter what. But with me and you, we have similar backgrounds. We like kind of the same things. We were kind of in the same place in our life hanging out, single dudes, chilling, working out, kind of being on our, by ourself alone. And we're like, you're cool. I'm cool. Just go be cool together. And we started to be friends, like hanging out outside of training after a couple of years. And then it kind of went like the Avengers assembled because it was me and you. Then it was Eddie. Yeah. Then it was Steve. Steve, right. And then slowly like the group all came together. Right. I remember going to your house and asking you the first house. I remember this. I remember last time. Then I was seeing at your house. You walk up there. You had no furniture in there. No, no. First of all, you had a big street TV. Yeah. No furniture. Priorities.

12:16You go upstairs. There's no furniture. Dusty was just running. My dog. Yeah, it's running around. I'm sliding on the wood floor. Right. And I'm like, okay, so this is how it is. It's how you live. Okay. You invite me to a MMA fight that you're watching at the house at the house. Yeah. Right. So that's the first time it was like, was it rampage and somebody? And Iceman fought that night. Yeah. Chuck Liddell. Chuck Liddell. And then like you said, Avengers, I met Steve there. Who else did I meet there? Was it Mike Sion's? Maybe Cruz. Maybe Cruz is there. That's true. Like it was a lot of that crew. He wasn't there yet. And then I just know when we moved in Nashville, I was like, did you got to come? Oh, man. Don't even bring that up. I was like, you got to come. Why are you saying this right now? You just, you got to, you said I got to come, but then I was like, right there about the finish school.

13:16And you were, you know what? I know you know this. But I don't know if you know this for sure. But you are a main catalyst of me finishing school, like finishing, going back, going back. Right. What did you say that? Because I was like never really prompted by parents or anybody to, I mean, I was the first person in my family to finish college. And so I didn't know what it took or why you would finish college. I was just taking random classes. And then I would stop a couple of years. Oh, maybe I go back. And then I had pretty much started training. And then not even thought about going back. And I started talking to you about, you think about college. And you're like, I think you need to do it. You're like, how many credits you got? And I had some credits. I had probably like two years of already credits done. And you're like, I think you need to do it. I don't know. I'll be spending this money to go to college or should I just be saving this money? You're like, you got two years already under your belt.

14:20Just go back and finish it. You're going to like, you're going to love it. You're going to love finishing it. You did something worth something. And I was like, and I was so unsure. I can see I can look back now and be like, yeah, cool. That was cool to do. But at that time, money was sparse. And I was like, wow, what would I spend money to do something that I'm going to do? I'm already doing. I'm already training. I'm going to go to college and go extra sports science anyway. And so you were just like, yeah. And those, it's always felt like you were talking to me on those spots that you would do. You know, ACC, you would always say, go get your education to ACC, finished your education. I'm like, driving to work. I'm like, and then I started just enrolling. Just started going hard. I mean, grinding it out finished it. And I was just like, you were probably, I mean, I'm going to say you probably don't want Calla set that point. I'm going to honestly, and I don't say stuff like lightly. I'm saying you in my life at that point, I was asking people, you were one of the main

15:25people that were not even just one of the main people. You were the main person that I would be talking to that you would be like, dude, you got to finish. You just got to finish. You would never say nothing else, but just go finish. You wouldn't say, if you want to, or I don't know how you feel, like maybe it's not for you, you would be like, dude, you got to do it. And I would, and that just kept in my brain going to class every day. Grind it out, grind out every semester for two more years, finished. I mean, it's the pride of, I mean, honestly, the second, my third best thing that I've done. Hank Tite, the Bobby Cast will be right back. Working for professionals in the US plant more than they harvest, while also caring for water, wildlife, and more. It's how we grow a sustainable future. Learn more at workingforacinitiative.com. The ocean moves us, surfing a wave or savoring the view.

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18:32Because you had to go back to school. It wasn't, it wasn't, hey, don't quit. Right. It was you had to go back. Because that made you had to adjust your lifestyle that you were living now. This is what I had known about you at that time and why I thought it was so important. I remember it is because you were probably the most magnetic person I've ever met in my life. What? People get around you. Then they love you very quickly and they want to be around you more. And people wanted you to train them. You would be completely sold out of spots. You also wouldn't raise your rates. And you're like, well, they came with me and I'm going to charge them a nickel till the day they die. And I'm like, a nickel, a nickel. Oh, man. It's okay to go. I remember having conversations about it's okay for it to feel uncomfortable. If you go, hey, I've got to raise my rates a little bit. And you're like, no, but these are my OGs. And I'm like, I hear you inflation and you just would it. But I remember thinking at some point in your life, you were going to do something so big and that people were going to go, oh, but he doesn't even have his degree.

19:34And they were going to question you because again, you're so good at communicating and getting people to like you and you're so knowledgeable at what you talk about when it comes to health, fitness, wellness. But I didn't want anyone to be able to hold against you that you did not have that piece of paper that you did not need to do what you were doing. But I felt like you needed it in the future for what you were going to do because they could have said, what does he know? He didn't even go to college. That's what I felt then. I felt like you were so good in destined for so much that I didn't want in the future there to be a way for people to go. He's not that good and he should not be here. And you doing that pretty much knowing me more than I kind of even knew myself because I totally would have let that pretty affect me. Like somebody saying, yeah, but what do you know? Like you don't have a, you don't even have a college degree. I would have totally in the future me would have been affected by that going like, I guess

20:37I am an imposter. That would have hit hard. Now I carried that degree going, you can't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. And also you were going to know the same stuff anyway. It's not like the degree taught you anything. But it's something they could have used against you later and I just didn't want that for you. That's dope. That's dope. Another thing and we're kind of going forward. I don't know if you remember this, but I mean, there's a lot of things that you just like supported me and told me I didn't do. And I'm like, why didn't I do it? I'm being freaking a millionaire right now. If I did that, it was ridiculous. It was the first time it was like, you told me to go get a camera. What year? This was I 2000 and six. You know, you told me to go get a camera, right?

21:39It's like a bloggy, a little bloggy, they didn't even have, it's like a Sony bloggy. I remember and you're like, go get a camera. I went to go get the camera. And you were training with me. I remember it was one of your birthdays. We had cupcakes and we were just filming in my apartment gym. That I'll be able to visit. But it's like we had the cupcake. You were doing all year, you know, this is Bobby's birthday. I'm going, hey, this is Bobby's birthday. You were doing it. And then that was cool. And then I was saying, what do you do with this? You take it to the studio. You were Mike D. I didn't know Mike did at the time, but he had the little, I guess YouTube and know anything about YouTube. But you get, you guys put it on iMovie and you guys did all the editing. And I don't know, you still might be on your YouTube channel somewhere down there, somewhere down, I mean, early on. And you're like, dude, if I was you, I would just do like four exercises in the camera every day. I was like, you're exercising the camera.

22:41You better try five. This is like, I'm making up stuff in my brain to not be able to do stuff. And I don't even know if they may try positive. But I'm like, they may try positive. They may try positive. Cause that's for, we had camera. It's like a literal camera. Maybe I thought, man, they only got made tripod. So I'm not going to prop this camera up on. So did I. I don't even know. So did I'm like, dude, he's told me to do this back in the day before anybody was doing it back in the day. And I could have killed, bro. I know I could have killed. And you were telling me, you got to do this. You went like all me on me, which I'm like, you should have just been home. But you were telling me to do it. And I just remembered that. And I did a couple of them. I just didn't know what I was doing. And I didn't have like what you have. You have that. That, it don't matter if you don't know what you're doing. You just keep on doing it continuously. And then you'll start seeing what you're doing.

23:43And you were telling me that. I remember you telling, you didn't tell me that specifically like that. I can retrospect looking back and say, that's what you were telling me. But you were also telling me your story how you bought a lot of equipment on your own. And you started doing this stuff, not knowing what you were doing, not knowing how to use the equipment, learning the equipment on your own. All that stuff. I didn't know. And then I'm like, just because I didn't know, that means there wasn't a, it's not an excuse. You got to know, you got to figure it out. Just can't not do it. That's what I'm like, look back up. Just didn't do it. And he was telling me to do it. He was right there. And I'm saying he, with an emphasis on he, meaning Bobby's the man. Like, okay. Now I'm saying this. We know Bobby's the man. He's like, like, okay, okay. I'm saying from where you started, from where you ran right now, people don't normally do that. Those dudes are legit.

24:44Those dudes are the man. Those people who can see a vision and keep doing it, not knowing what they're doing and not knowing if it's going to pay off, but knowing themselves that they're going to be great. Dog, that's the man. I mean, that's there in no way to say anything else. That's the man, bro. Other people might say that a man, but you got to put it all, you got to put up and go, dude, I don't know what I'm doing. I see a vision. Maybe I don't even see a vision. I'm going to be doing something and whatever I'm doing, I'm going to go hard at it and it's going to be legit and it turns out to be legit. Bro, what up? What up? Come on, bro. It's like, that's the man. That's you. That's what I'm saying. It's going to be a weird clip for me to put up. I just figured it out. I've just figured it out. Because I feel really, I've been wanting to say that for a long time. I feel uncomfortable when two things happen to me. People insult me because I want to kill them or people compliment me because it makes

25:45me feel very uncomfortable. But I will accept that and just say thank you. Of course. Of course, thank you. I tried to get you to come to Nashville a few times for different reasons you could have, but I did. I tried many, because I moved everybody out. Man, one of the time. Yeah. Sometimes two at a time. I was the Noah's Ark, two animals at a time. Get in. So where are we going to take there? You saw, you went to that. You told me to come. You don't have to take this anywhere. But I just want to take it. But I'm like, we would just have multiple conversations even before you got married and had a kid. Then I completely understood. Once then, because the eye offered you a job pretty recently too, a pretty high-paying job and you were like, you can't. And I understood why. Right. You have family and you have her family nearby. Right. Yeah. No, it was a high-paying job. I just want to say it again. And I said, come take this high-paying job. I want you to be here. And then you didn't respond for two months. And then out of nowhere, it's like, I can't do it. And I already moved on. I heard somebody else at that point. Right. You just said, oh yeah, yeah, I wouldn't even think about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, offered you a job.

26:45Right. I got a job. I have somebody fat this job for a long time already. You didn't know. I don't think it's you didn't want it. It would have been harder the last time to do it because of family. But the first couple times. Oh, man. I should have moved in. I'm like, come live with me. Everybody lived with me for a while. My D lived with me when he first moved out. Right. Everybody lived with me at some point. I came to visit. Yeah. I was, I come to visit, y'all, over there. What was that? The government? Yeah, government is closed. The government is closed. And I was like, this is what's up? Y'all going hard over here. And I was like, I need to get here. And then it's finished in school, finished in school, finished school. I caught up in some nonsense. Nonsense. Everybody gets caught up in nonsense. Then get out of nonsense. I asked you, what do you think? I'm ready to come up. You remember this? I'm ready to come up. You go, I don't think you should because I think you're running away from something. You were, you were, you literally were. You don't want me to say what? You don't want me to say what? You don't want me to say what?

27:46Just say that. That's all I'm saying. How, where are we going with this? Because I was just like, come, come, come, come. And at that point, I was not saying come because I know you were going through something. And you're like, I'm ready to come. And I said, no, because you're not coming for you. You're coming because you're running from something. And I did not feel like that was your healthiest version of moving with us. So we ain't going to act like I said, no, don't come. It was, I wanted you to come because you wanted to, not because you didn't want to be where you were. And you know that's a healthy man. I wish you had said, yeah, yeah, yeah, just come up. Two times after that, I said you should come. Yeah. Two times after that. I was like, what do you think about Caitlin when you met her? Oh, man, Caitlin. She was awesome. You remember when you straight up called Caitlin, I was at the house and you was like, yeah, yeah, I got, I got a, oh, I'm talking to you. I was like, who? He's like, I call her right now. And I see her. I'm like, do you the most beautiful chick I ever seen? She's like, thank you.

28:48I'm like, that's cool. And Bob, he's like, yeah, that's my chick. I was like, what's up? That's crazy. I also would have never said that's my chick, but. No, you didn't say that's my chick, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my girl. And you were one of the first people because you came and stayed with us. I came. Was that, we got locked in though. Was something happened there? I mean, yeah, it was COVID. That was COVID. You stayed with us for a while. And you and her would like go to lunch or like breakfast. Right. Because I had to work from upstairs. Right. Yeah, so you came and stayed with us for a while. Right. And you guys were spending a lot of time together. It was cool because she was just like open and she was just talking about how much she loved you. And I was like, you do love Bobby. Yeah, that's what she would say to you. Why is he so surprised that someone loves you? I'm not saying like that, but I'm like, okay, you love Bobby. How much you love what would he do to make you love him? And she's like, she's just being himself.

29:48And I just love how funny he is. I just love how he is. I was like, you love how he is. Okay. Okay. It also had to be a little weird for me to feel that way about someone as well. Like to be in because I was never in ever. I didn't feel like anybody was worth me being in on ever until her. Right. Right. That was a hardcore change because you were always, you have not always, but you had had relationships. Yeah, not good ones. Not real ones. Not real ones. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's like you had had relationships and it was like, okay, well, I guess it's not really serious. We could always tell it's not that serious, not that serious. But then this one come on like, oh, he's serious. She's serious. And she's like, kind of, I wouldn't say changing you, but you're kind of doing what she will ask without being like, I'm Bobby Bones.

30:50I do what I say. I mean, it was an understanding on other relationships that that was, it was unspoken. Yeah. Yeah. The other relationships, they didn't matter. I just did what I wanted to say. I'm saying truth. I'm not saying falsities. Yeah. I agree. She's the first person that I cared about so much and even loved that I was okay with modifying some of the things about me that would make our relationship easier if I did. But she was like, I would tell him, you can't be leaving your forks in the, in the, in the thing. Oh, you're going micro things, all those things, right? Micro macro, but the micro micro, micro goes to macro, but she's like, I'm like, you told him that. She's like, yeah. And I said, what do you do? He cleaned his pork up. And I was like, oh, okay, he did. All right. That's legit. And you know her now. Well, she's strong. Yeah. Hardcore. She. Yeah. She doesn't take anybody's crap. No, she's not a pushover.

31:51No, no. She's going to push you over. And if you think that she's just a pretty face. No. Oh, man, I bet people think that. Oh, man, they better wake up. She's not. No. She's not just a pretty, she's going to tell you what's up. I mean, she's the smartest person I know. Man. Like, she's right. If she was here, I wouldn't say that to her. I'd be like, you know, I'm smarter. But like, she's smart person I know. She knows she probably is. So she like, you don't have to say it. I know it. She also has some weird things with her brain where she can. And these aren't smart things, but just like little quirks where she can take a word. You could just say like, um, uh, Kelsey, um, and she can just see it in her head and spell a back over that even spell. Like, she, wow. But she just, she can, she's like you. She can memorize anything with one lesson. Like, you know, every lyric to every song that you hear. And I always thought, that's crazy. She can hear a song once. I know every word to it. It's odd if we get into arguments, she can go, this is not what you said. And I know really that she has a perfect memory. And so it's hard for me to push back on that except she could be lying because she has

32:54the perfect memory and I have to believe her. And so now I'm like, that's not true because I think she could just be using that superpower to make you think. Right. What about her family? It's cool too though. Yeah, her family's awesome. Like the greatest legit like tall. Or that tall handsome brother's tall handsome smart. I'm like, of course, that's her sister's athlete looks like kale. Yeah, I was mostly thinking like they're good people, but yeah, you went to the physical. Right. Yeah, I mean, they're good. I don't know them as well as you know them. I just know them with a couple of meetings, but I mean, they were all nice. Last thing. So we have a baby. Yeah. Is that crazy to you that? Yeah, that's actually really. I mean, that's actually the most probably the most crazy because I never even thought. I mean, I never even I didn't even know you were like trying. Why never thought we first why never thought I would get married until I make a

33:56difference? That's what I was going to say. I didn't know. Yeah, you can say, I don't care. I never thought I would get me. Well, I just given up on being married and I give enough like, Oh, man, I was like, it ain't for me. Not a big deal, right? Yeah, like I don't have the capacity to do whatever people do to get married and I'm not going to settle. I thought you had said that to yourself. I did. I'm sure that I was going to say that. I was going to say like, I didn't even think you were trying to get married. So it got married. And then obviously had a baby and then yeah, it's it's so then the baby stuff is like, how do you feel? Like you feel good. You feel scared. You feel protective. You feel like you're doing it wrong. You're doing it pretty good. You're going to provide the best. You hope for the best for her. Like how are you going to do all of it? The answer is all of that. Yes. All. Am I doing bad? Yep. Am I doing good? Yep. Am I scared? Yep. Is it amazing? Yep. Right. He's like all and but there's no time. I thought I would have these.

34:56I'd take a journal with a felt like a feather pin and write thoughts of existential life with children and how the aversion of me is now. Who has time for that with a baby real life, right? No time for existential thoughts out underneath a tree with my quill and ink. Yeah. Like what do you have to say to all the people who don't have a baby right now? I would say you're living a fantasy life. I would. Your life is great right now. You're the fantasy life. I would say that to them being like you have all the time. I would say nothing. You would say nothing because I can learn nothing to I can learn nothing that they're going to hear from me say and it's going to actually affect them because you just don't know until it happens. Oh, that's so real. So it's I would say nothing. Oh, you got it. It's like I can't tell you what it really is. I can tell you what it feels like.

35:57You know, you know, you know, so, yeah. So my answer would be nothing. Right. Because I'm not qualified to give advice. Thank you. I can tell you how it makes me feel and it's all the things that you said. I will wrap on this. The one thing that I do feel that I for sure feel is such a different kind of love for Caitlin because seeing her as a mom and I thought I can't believe I actually love someone because I never told anybody I love them. But me ever if it my grandma when I was like nine. But that didn't happen in my family and never said in a relationship when I said it to her. I was like, I peaked out. This is it. I love. I got there. Top of the mountain can't go any higher and then to see her as a mom and how much she cares and how how much she hold herself accountable how hard she is on herself and how great she is with the baby and how she wants to another mountain just grew behind that mountain and I got to climb on top of it and that's the peak.

36:59That's the thing that I would say to like a friend if they're about to have a baby with their wife and they're like, yep, I love her to the max. You don't know max yet. You know what? I got to say that about my wife too. It's like when she was carrying my baby, I was like, dude, you're legit. She had no epidural, no drug at all. She just did straight delivery and I was like, do you change? My view of you, that's so hardcore. I was in the room seeing her push through that. She wanted to not have anything in her system, not any help and she just pushed, pushed, pushed and then obviously with her with Vaan or my son's name is Vaan but with her and Vaan and she's just like taking care of them so much. It's like, I know I said, Kaylon was like one of the best looking chicks I've ever seen. My wife is obviously one of the best looking chicks I've ever seen as well and she goes hard too.

38:00And I loved her. Like you said, the love for her grew crazily even before she had the baby when she was carrying it. I was like, hey, that's my wife right there. She's going hard. Speaking of no epidural, no drugs while the delivery is happening. I also had none of that. Okay. I felt strong. Okay. Right. How about that couch though? Cold as sucked. That sucked. They need a better couch just for the dudes. That's a whole other episode. Right. Thank you for sitting in. I appreciate you being here. What started it with us just testing mics again today. We ended up with two episodes. If you missed the first one, go back. We did, it's actually the same day we decided to cut it because something happened in the middle. But this is one of my best friends in life, Marwatson.

39:03And we'll see you guys. Stay weedy. Hit the comments. Stay weedy. Another set of episodes a little different. But this is more of an in the weeds of like us as people. Appreciate you guys watching and we will see you guys soon. Hang tight. The bobby cast will be right back. Learning a working forest growing takes a massive commitment. That's why working forest professionals plant over one billion seedlings annually in the U.S. Ensuring more trees are planted than harvested. But it takes more than planting to sustain these ecosystems. It means caring for everything in the forest, from clean water to thriving wildlife. Because when we take care of our forests, they'll thrive for generations. Learn more at workingforstinitiative.com. This is Jacob Goldstein from What's Your Problem.

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41:08Terms apply. This is Matt Altmix from How to Money, and we are all about comparing prices to save money on so many things in life. So why wouldn't you compare prices for your next ride share? Taking a few seconds to check lift can save you real money on your next ride. And I did this last time at Cotta Ride Home from the airport after some travel, and guess who came out on top? Lift. So don't just price check with flights and phone plans and your groceries, comparing ride share prices will help you to save money every time you ride. Save money, check lift. And we're back on the Bobby cast. Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of In the Weeds. We are shooting this from Los Angeles, California. I'm here with one of my best lifelong friends known as 5,000 Watts, known as Amada Watson. Amada Watson. Yeah, what up? What up? We were just talking before this started this episode now that we're shooting.

42:14And we've been doing the Bobby cast for 10 years now, 10 years. That's crazy. And we're about to shoot another one, which is why we're here. But I think maybe episode two you were on. All right. I'm thinking of episode two, right? You call me up. You're like, not even call me up. I was in the room just hanging out with you. And you were like, you want to come in just talk? And I was like, talk about what? Well, I'm doing this, I don't know, just coming to hang out. And I guess it was one of your apartments and I was thinking, all right, we just started talking all of a sudden, I'm like, Bobby cast is on Netflix. How's that possible? You want to look up for you, though? Your episode. At first, when I was first did, yeah. We shot that with like, Polaroids and an apartment. You're looking for your episode. Right, right. I'm screwing up like, no, no, no. When did you start on Netflix? What episode was it? We've now shot 94. I had signed a two year deal with them for 80 episodes a year.

43:16And that started in January. We've already put 94 episodes up. But we've shot all those since I signed the deal. I didn't put any of the old ones up. So when you were asking me to do this little talk in your apartment, I mostly wanted to test microphones. You just... I was like, hey, sit over there because I want to see if the microphones were. Because we had $5 microphones. Right. It was probably me and Mike, and that's it. No, Mike wasn't even in there. It was me and you, you were like, come downstairs. We're gonna talk. And were you just in town? Just hanging out? Just hanging out. With random hang out. Yeah. And we were just talking and you were like, seeing for me, and I was like, sitting on the dock. And I was like, I was really testing microphones in. Yeah. And you came in and you were like, I don't know what these things do. Let's go and try them out. And I was like, okay, we just started talking. And then I mean, I just didn't know for his Bobby Cats. I didn't even know it was gonna be anything. That was one of the very first ones.

44:16Did you know that you were gonna be like, this is gonna be a Bobby Cats. Like, this is what I'm going to do. Or were you just like, we're just hanging out. When we started that show, you took my in general? In general. I wanted to do a show that I thought would not be popular. Meaning I was only gonna put on songwriters or even artists. But we really wouldn't talk about the glamour aside of being an artist. Because I think a lot of people like that. They like to hear about what it's like to be famous, what it's like to have hit songs. But I wanted to talk to people about like writing the song. And back then there were no songwriter podcasts. There were no producers on podcasts. So I was always interested. And it was honestly for two reasons. I was interested in that because no one ever saw that. Like you don't know who wrote the song. You don't know the stories about really about the songs. And then also I was kind of thinking long term, if I could create relationships with these people through this, I would then know more people in town. Because it's not like I'd been in town for a couple of years. And I could almost have friends because I really kind of kept

45:20from having a lot of creative or at least artists friends for a while. But I could at least kind of lean on the knowledge that I had taken from them about this town. So a little bit of it was being selfish. I was just trying to learn. But then I wanted to do a podcast that I didn't think a lot of people would hear because I thought who would really care about hearing songwriters that they've never heard of talk about songs. Little did I know that it would catch on. And it didn't blow up for years. It did okay. And then it did pretty good. But once it got to be pretty good, I thought, this is blowing up for what I expected. And then Big Artists wanted to come on and talk about things that they didn't normally get asked. And then it just turned into people just wanted to be interviewed long form. I mean, it just kind of turned much bigger than the idea was. Wow. So there was really no long-term goal when you started. My long-term goal was to make connections and do... I had the very first ever podcast network in our entire company, which is now half of just in podcasting.

46:20So I had dinner with our CEO 12 years ago. And I've been podcasting since 2005 in Austin. We were podcasting in Austin, not this show, not the Bobby cast. We were podcasting in Austin. And then my CEO at dinner once in New York, when I was negotiating a deal, he said, I think you should really lean into what you're already doing with podcasts. You should go find shows and I said, can I create a network? And then I can bring shows on and then make money from them. But you then use that money to pour back into them and it'd be a business. And so it was the first ever podcast network in our company. Now people have made bigger one since. Like Charlotte Main's podcast network now is five times the size of mine. But we haven't really dedicated to the network getting massive. Just we've poured into the shows being supported. I think if I sign another deal, we'll grow, grow, grow a lot more.

47:21But that was the first ever podcast network. It's kind of cool how it's all happened now. And now there's probably 50 podcasts networks in the company. I say, I see. When you say podcast network, you mean your question. Right. I should have explained that. Right, right. What do you mean your question? Say that. Uh, so I have my show. And then there are like eight or nine shows that are under my umbrella. Like Dr. Joe, see my bet. She has a show. And Caroline Hobby, who was an artist. Now she hosts a podcast. She has a podcast, Amy has a podcast, so are losers of a podcast. So all these are under my network. And so I support them, help them get paid, place them in other feeds. Morgan's the president of the company of the podcast network. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's basically just a big support system. And so everybody gets money, everybody gets paid.

48:24And then the money that comes to the network, I pour back into people, even, even to shoot videos like I have to buy equipment and like I fund a lot of it. I see. So that's the network. It'd just be like a business. Yeah. Makes sense. And then we sign more shows. Right. Right. If we like them, the shows right now you have are just your friends. Uh, or people you work with. People I trust. And we've had some shows that came on that I didn't know that didn't work out, but that's fine. That always happens. Um, so, but I don't hire them because of my friends. Caroline hobby. Her shows called Get Real with Caroline hobby. She had a podcast already. And it was doing pretty good. So I went and said, Hey, come over here and I can make sure you get paid more. So I didn't just make her do a podcast because she was my friend. She was already doing one. But she was on amazing race. She was a sign artist like she had an interesting perspective. What she was doing at first, which I have found super interesting and she doesn't do this as much anymore. But I'm seeing like major podcasts do this now.

49:25And she was the first one I ever heard of doing it. She was doing just the wives and girlfriends of country artists. Five, seven years ago. Just talking to them. I say that's a brilliant idea. And now there's like 34 of those podcasts like even sports. They have like sports wags. Um, so, but she did that. And that's what made me sign her. And now she does all kinds of stuff. But she's, you know, mental health, wellness, sometimes, you know, woo woo stuff. But she's a great talent. Dr. Joe C. Does a really good animal like a veterinary podcast. But she had a baby. So she's been for the last five or six months. Did not did that to podcast. Let's see who else do we have on the network though. Bobby cast obviously, but our show 25 whistles is on the network. Sports show. Amy's lunch box. Well, he's no, actually the show I do with Matt castle.

50:25It's called lots to say. That's an NFL show. It's the only show that I do not have any ownership of. I have none. I'm a paid employee. I don't even have control of what goes over the air night. Why do you do it? It worked for the NFL. That's that's strict. I took the job just because it's an NFL brand. And but it's odd because they have full control full of time. We interviewed Pac-Man Jones like four weeks or so ago. We came over to the studios. It was an awesome interview and he's out of control. He was out of control when he played like strip club guns. Pac-Man Jones came to your house came. No, he came to our studio. We used to do this as you know, we used to do all the Bobby cast on the property of my house. But Caitlin was like, hey, let's not have everybody over all time. It would just be random people showing up just all the time. It's on the property so it's not in the house. But still they're like walking to the backyard. Right. She was like, maybe we don't have, you know, most people are normal but some don't look it.

51:26Right. And so when did she first say that about who? So it was in the old house because that one was wasn't attached to the house and we bought that house because it had a different building. But it was not, it was just people all the time more so than anything else. We were having security issues too where people were like trying to get in the house and that stupid bus that would do celebrity sightings would drive by and tell everybody where we lived. Oh. So it was a combination of all that. And so it's just like, anyway, we could do this somewhere else. And I said, not right now, we bought the new house we live in, had that built. So we're working at a bit and we still do for the radio show some. But I saw people coming over, they go to the side gate and they'd walk in. Should be like, dang, people are weird. Like, what's this? Scroed on pierced? You know, stuff like that. And so I said, I will fix it. We were talking about in therapy one day and like couples therapy.

52:26And we were just talking about things that we hope to improve and I brought it up and I said, I would love to improve the situation. But we talked way early on in our marriage about how this has to happen because for this show, I don't want to have to drive 20 minutes into work. I'm already there all day and we do this in the afternoon and she completely got it and she never forced me to do it. But I said, Hey, what if I buy a couple buildings and she was like, you do whatever you think you need to do? I would love it if it wasn't here. But I'm like, I'm going to tell you not to do it. And so I was like, this building, this is like $2 million is building. Right. I was like, well, I'm going to buy this building and I'm going to build out a podcast studio. She's like, do it. Do it. Do it. You know her. Yeah. There's certain things that she has the most chill about. Right. And one of them is trusting me when it comes to my vision of my career. Right. And she said, you know, you're doing, you're doing away before me.

53:28So and she, there's no, with her, there's no, like, don't spend money on this. If anything, if therapy wants, I was like, you have, you need to spend money to tell her, telling her that because she'd be like, I don't want to spend money. I don't feel comfortable. And I would be like, we, we have some. Yeah. So you should spend some like, but now you have the drive off. It's, it's four minutes to my house. Oh. That was part of it. I'm going to go back to the building. You're going to see when we go back to Nashville. And so we built in there, took a year. We had to, because it was an old like yoga studio in sauna place. Smell like funk. Like, yeah. This is where people do it the whole time. We ripped the guts out of the front building, built an office into small studios, ripped the guts out of the back building up to, it was a massive garage, put walls up on the outside and then built a really big studio for the Netflix show. And then I say, we, Caitlin helped design that one. But Brandon did a lot of the tech.

54:28Oh, okay. And then Brandon and re design the second pick one. So we have four studios. We're building a fifth over there right now. And it's only four minutes away. Wow. But that's why we moved over there. And so the people come there now. Okay. And we do it there. And Caitlin doesn't see people with a scrotum's pierce walking through the backyard. Right, right. Because I went when you guys had the studio in the back by the pool. Yeah. So it's still there. It is. We'll just do that for the Bobby own show sometimes or the air conditioner that like it's so hot in Nashville. The AC went out at our, we'll just call it the Netflix studios. They don't own it. That's at the building. The building. Yeah, but we'll call them the Netflix studios. So the air went out and so we couldn't work out of there because there was no air conditioning was 107 degrees. So but we had a Bobby cast scheduled with Leanne Morgan. Do you know who that is? Real Southern comedian says show on Netflix. She's oh, thanks. Okay. I'm sure she's got a lot of, has more and she can followers than I do like massive.

55:30She sold out the arena in Nashville like the bridge on arena sold arena completely out comedian comedian and then they who did the trash. No, that's pretty Kellogg. And then she sold out the they just put another arena show like she's selling out massive arenas doing stand up comedy. Wow. So she was coming over. I don't want to cancel it. So we just had her come over to the house because she never scrotum pierced. She was sick. And I think, yeah, and I think she's she's from Tennessee from the South. So nice. I think she's probably I don't want to mess up a rage but 60 or so. So we and then Caitlin came down because Caitlin knows her work and Caitlin's mom's a massive fan. And whenever Leanne Morgan was there, she was like talking to Caitlin. She's like, tell your mom if she wants to come to any show. So we call Caitlin's mom. She's like, I've already got four tickets in Oklahoma. I'm already going. That's got funny. And then Leanne Morgan stayed after we finished and just like played with the baby. Wow. She's like, like Seinfeld is such a fan or he he did shows with it.

56:31Okay. He put her on shows. She's just hanging out. She was thinking baby, but we did that at the house. Right. It's like the last one of those we did. I think it wouldn't want Pac-Man though. So here's the thing about Pac-Man. That's what we are. Right. So he comes to he does this interview and it's fantastic. Okay. I'm talking. He's talking about smoking weed before every game. He's not bragging. He's just talking about the lifestyle that he led. Like real life. What he was doing real life and why he was doing it and it was so good. And in no way was he being I don't want to say seeking attention, but in no way was he telling these stories and embellishing these stories for effect. He just was keeping it real because Matt Castle does the show with me and he was an NFL quarterback. Those players respect when they were another player. And so I get that show gets automatic respect because Matt Castle is in the room. So Pac-Man is killing it. He's doing it. He's telling such good stories. We send it off to the NFL.

57:31We're kind of like this episode is going to blow up. Now we get paid the same anyway. I actually get paid. It's little. It's little. It's small. It's the smallest of anything that I do. Okay. But it's the NFL. It's just so big. Yeah. I'm working for the NFL and it's so great. They've given me access to things and they came back and they said we have to cut 2024 minutes of the 60 minute interview. And because it made I won't say I made them look bad, but there was some stuff happening. You've just talking about like before games, but they didn't want out there and I completely understood it. Like that's the brand. And my point with that is since I don't know on the show, I just said, yes, sir. Okay. Yes, ma'am. And had to remove it and a little bit of hurt. What am I going to do? What am I going to do? I'm going to employ of that of that. Of that. I'm an employee of a lot. No, I'm an employee in many areas, but it's different because I own parts of pretty much everything that I do now.

58:32Like I have an interest in everything that I do at this point. I don't have none there. And it's the least amount of money that I make. Right. But I don't do things for money anymore. But I can only say that because I have money. I'm not a man. I'm not a man. Yeah. At first I used to do things for no money because I had no money. And now I do things for no money because I have all the money. Oh, man, that's too real. But it's real on both sides. That's too real. I think I'm more real. I heard the real, the real stuff ever been able to be. It was at the very beginning and right now. Wow. That's hardcore game right there. That's hardcore. Now that I haven't always been able to be real because my whole brand has been that. But the most honest and. I would say the most authentically unworryed I can be is when I first started, I had nothing to lose. I had no money. I was doing it for free. And now because is there a lot to lose? Yeah. But if I lose it, I'm all right. You still love that what you do as much as you did when you were first starting.

59:37It's starting to be more. Starting to be more what? More than when I first started because I was starting to love it more. Yeah. I'm doing too much right now. You can't possibly listen to everything that I do right now. Meaning I'm producing 16 hours of content a week. Like that exists. So that's not the work going into it or. But it's just no one can listen to 16 hours on my stuff a week. Like they never know all of the things that you're doing. They can never. And I don't expect to hear it. One of my in-laws who are so supportive and they listened to most stuff. My father and I was like, man, we, I don't know that story. And I was like, I thought you listened to everything. And he was like, I can't anymore. I'm like, I know. Because I got two hours of 25 whistles going up a week, two different shows. One hour of an NFL show going up a week. I got 13 hours of the Bobby Bell show going up a week. I got four hours of the Bobby cast. It's more than 20 hours.

1:00:38You can't listen to all that. But I get it, but I'm starting to get a little tired now. I'm starting to do two, I get too much. The reason I don't do less though, it's not because I'm fearful anymore. Used to be I was scared to do less because if I did less, I mean, I was less valuable. Now it's like I would probably quit an episode a week of 25 whistles if I could. But I got Eddie, Kevin and Mike D on that show. And I gave them percentages of ownership of that show. Nice. Wow. And I had never done that before, but they deserve it. And so if I decide to not do it anymore, they lose not the whole show. It was to do one a week, but they're going to lose money because they finally have ownership of something. And I was so proud to give them ownership of a show. Taking care of your home. Keith. Rather than just paying them, of course, giving them something like longevity to hold on to and ownership. And if I go away for some reason, like a God forbid, I die. They can still do that show and have a percentage ownership of it.

1:01:42That's crazy. That's what's that. That's what I would do less though. Would you just say cut 25 whistles or would you say I do one episode a week. I like doing sport. I listen, perfect. Too many sports. Too many sports. Perfect world. I would just do one episode of one of the things. Either lots to say, which is great for the NFL, but making very, very little money. I do want to make on that show. It's not very little money. I'm just saying compared to the other things that I made. Yeah. What is it? You're going to roll your ass because it's not very little money. Right. To us, poor people is not very little money. Having money is not everything. Not having it is true. True words have never been spoken. And I never got it until I went from having no money to having all the money and going, this is not the most important thing. But you can never know that. And I don't even say that to people because I don't, I didn't want to hear that. I was broke, people with money going, ah, it's not the most important thing. Yeah. Right. You don't want to, like, shut up. That's what I would think.

1:02:42People who broke want to say they want you to tell them how to get money. And then tell me how to get the money. Yeah. And then let me make up my mind if it's not. It's not. It's not. Tell me how to get the money. I'll just tell them it's not important or not. And so for me, that, you know, having money is not everything. Not having it is. Because having money, you can't even make, like, secondary decisions on your wellness because you're just trying to eat food and pay bills. Like that's the first half of that saying. Come on. Like that. Right. That's everything. That's how we grew up. That's how we grew up. Right. So it was everything. Not having it. That is everything. And things like going to therapy, things like investing money in anything or time in anything. You don't have it because you spend all time just trying to survive. Just trying to pay check to pay check. Right.

1:03:43Yes. You just thinned out. You come home. You sleep. You see your moms. There's no room for any sort of growth because you're just going paycheck to paycheck trying to try to have groceries for the week. We're talking some talk right now. That's what it was. I mean, that's what it was for both of us for most of our lives. So whenever it's not having it is, that's not having money. You have no ability to do anything else except try to work to survive. So the back half of that completely understands. So when it's having money is not everything, but not having it is, nothing's more true than not having it is. And then when it goes to having money is not everything, you only get to know that if you get money and nobody without money wants to hear from somebody complaining because they have money and going, oh, this ain't everything. Like shut up. Right. That's why I don't complain about it. But also I have to be more honest about it now. There was a shift in my storytelling of my life where I felt disingenuous.

1:04:49And I won't say acting like I didn't have it, but just not addressing it when I was talking about something and going, man, that's crazy. I don't know if I can afford it. I mean, I don't want to lie about it anymore. So I don't hide from the fact that I've had success anymore. When did you think you started having? Because I remember you were at the house in Austin, which one had many. I know. I don't know which one. I don't know when I met you, which house it was when I met you, but I don't know if I could say the street. I don't know if anyone asked you. It was a small one. Esquieu. It had like, you remember the street name. That's crazy. The white one, the first house I ever bought. I guess that was my first house. That's what I was wondering. Like when I was working at 24 hour fitness with you. Yeah. So what was your question about that? So I'm like, I remember you went from Esquieu to then there was a house on Brody. That was two story. That was my nice house. That's what I'm wondering. Did you think, oh, I made it when you got to that house?

1:05:51No, I thought I made it on the first house. Oh, you did. Oh, because you never even had a room. I never even had a bedroom. You were on the couch watching it. Mr. Ed at night, falling asleep. Patty Duke style. We were. I lived in the department's right next to that house, which one? On Brody. You lived there. No slaughter on slaughter. I lived in those apartments across from your apartment. Oh, yeah. We lived in apartment complexes right across from each other. There is a country street from Belavista. Yes. We lived right across from each other. And so I moved like five blocks over and bought my first ever house. Wow. And lived there. I made it. That's why you went over there to ask me. I made it. Okay. You have made it then. And that's legit. Are they, they hear? We can continue this. Yeah. We'll continue this. All right. We keep. We'll come for now. We'll come back. Thanks for listening to the Bobby Cast.

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