INSIDE THE MANOSPHERE - We Have Thoughts!

Hi, guys, and welcome back to another Peretta Life on Cut.

I'm Brittany.

I'm Laura.

I need to tell you why I was five minutes late today.

You didn't even notice.

You were on the toilet.

It wasn't the toilet.

That made me seven minutes late.

This morning, I was trying to get out the door.

I was fully dressed and I had a long sleeve shirt on, and I had my hair out.

And a nice, really nice wave in it.

And as I was leaving, I looked into my bathtub and I saw that a poor little stay with me lost.

I said, where is this going?

I know.

You've got to stay with me.

I saw in my bathtub as I was running out the door that a little moth had died.

And I had fallen into the bathtub.

And then because the moth had died overnight, like 200 ants had come into,

I don't know where they came from.

They were grieving.

I don't know.

It was a funeral procession.

That was the day there was...

There was, like, I ooze...

I don't know what it was.

Like, a whole ant hill in my bathtub.

And I was like, wow that's crazy.

200 ants anyway.

And you sat there and counted them all.

Yes.

That's why you were late.

That's why I was late.

So I was like, fire out, cause I have someone coming to my house today.

And so I was trying to make it clean.

So it was, like, I don't know how to, I'm hungry.

Who I need to not riddle me this.

Who I need to not riddle the deepest, so I'll be the detail.

So I didn't have time.

So I turned over to turn...

I lend over to turn. I have one of those bathtubs that's like, it's a bathtub and a shower.

So you've got the shower head and then you've got the bathtub. So in my, I was rushing, so I lend

over to turn the bath tap on so that I could wash it down the drain. But my whole body was in there

and I turned the shower on and I just soaked my whole body. All my clothes, all my hair was like,

fuck my actual life. I was soaking wet and I was like, man, I've got to get out the door two minutes.

I just blowed off my hair. I'd had a curl in it. Anyway, so that was why I was late today.

Well, to be fair, we both arrived at the same time and I don't have that experience.

Are you a trinket? No, probably sick. But you know how back in the day, you would show up to work

after a bend. I'd like you'd be at all night partying, haven't slept. Again, why do you look at me

when you say that look and then you'd show up to work? I did it twice, okay? Let it go. I'm pretty sure

you've done it since you worked for us. You're like, yeah. There was one time I remember I didn't go

to sleep. It was when the world cup was on and all of my friends went and I went and watched the

story. Remember how they were running at like three o'clock in the morning? It was really fun.

And I got to six o'clock and I was like, holy shit, I need to go to work. At least you showed up

for work. Remember that time where I called in sick? Yeah, I do because I had to do an interview on

my arm with like two minutes notice. Laura's like, I'm hungover as fuck. You're on your own.

It was after the podcast award. Yeah, it was podcast awards many years ago. It was the one and only time

that Brit had to do a completely solo interview. But I remember it being a hard one. Some of them

you're like, piece of cake. And I remember it being like, this isn't the one I want to do on my

own. Probably should have canceled it. All right. Well, look, I have shown up to work today and I just

want to warn everyone. I have shown up to work today after doing a bender. I have not slept. I have

not slept. I reckon I've probably got about maybe two and a half hours through the whole night

because Poppy is sick and she would only sleep on me sitting upright and the whole time she was like

and then if she wasn't making that noise, she was crying. So that was my entire night

from about 11 o'clock last night. Anyway, this is my warning. I am on a bender and I haven't slept.

Not the bender, but currently she's, yeah, she's been taken care of by someone else while I'm here

hallucinating doing podcast. Well, I'm glad you showed up. You do not look like you haven't slept.

Oh, it's the Botox appointment I missed. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Laura finally booked in for Botox. I

say finally, I haven't been asking her to do it. She wanted to do it, but she's like, she finally

booked in and then she intruded Laura fashion, forgot to pay the deposit, didn't confirm it. She was on

the waiting the appointment and then I walked it in and this was my treat. I know some people are

going to feel conflicted about this and I'm so glad we've been able to wee breastfeeding into this

at some point, but I've stopped, right? I mentioned that on a couple weeks ago in the episode I finished,

they've dried up. They're like too like empty little sacks now. And to celebrate, I was like, I am

going to book myself in to get some Botox because after watching myself on the TV, I was traumatized,

okay? I was horrified. I saw my natural face in 4D. You look great, but you're allowed to feel

however you want to feel and it is high definition. It is, it's actually 4K. Yeah, it's ultra high

definition. It was, yeah, it was a lot. Anyway, so I booked in and I said to Brit, I was like, I've

booked in to go and get some Botox. It's like it's the first time in almost two years.

And Brit goes, you don't need it, but I won't tell you not to go. I won't tell you out of it.

No, I think that's what a true friend does. I was like, babe, you do not need it, but I'm not going

to stop you. I was like, I won't stop you, but this is her name and she's going to make space

give it 3P. She's just really good. No, I've just become how much you get. They said to me,

Brit need like, why aren't you more angry on maps? I was like, I am. I just couldn't see it.

I'm joking. Do you guys remember that time? I got a lip flip. Yes, and you couldn't drink that

of a straw. For anyone who doesn't know, a lip flip is it's kind of meant to be an alternative

to getting lip filler. If you want a little bit more lip without it looking puffy. So they put

Botox in just beneath your nose. Guys, some people are all for the lip flip. You just got

flipped too much. It was the worst decision I've ever made. It was too big of a flip. I couldn't

drink fluids. You couldn't speak probably. No, it fell out of my mouth. But don't you remember

when Kishaksh? We're always really over with each other when we're the lip flip for some reason.

I think Kish was like, I'm going to see if anyone notices. Anyway, she came in and she didn't say it

and we were like, what have you done to your lips? And she's like, nothing. And she's drinking out

of a straw. It's just coming back out. And we're like, Kishaksh, we know you've done saying,

and you couldn't even close your lips when you talked. And you're like, I haven't done

anything. You know what I hate? I hate it when people are like, you guys promote Botox. I'm like,

I actually talk about the few times it's gone wrong more than I talk about the times that it's

gone right. So this is my official statement. I'm not promoting it. I'm saying you should be

really careful about your choices, especially when you shove it into areas that are functional

that you need when your job is to talk into a microphone. And you can't suck out of a straw.

I wanted to have one eyebrow. Same. I'd be honest. It has been a really long time since I got

Botox because I didn't have it for a while pre being pregnant with Poppy. And then like,

obviously, when I was pregnant, I haven't had since. But I did probably about two years ago,

I got some. And the woman wielded that thing around. I walked out with so many bruises and I was

like, gosh, just I think it was a little bit rougher than what it normally is. And I just don't know

if the where she put it. It was right. Seems like it was in the same spots as what I've had

it before. And I seven days after it had said it and I just had one spot eyebrow where it was like

one leaf. One really surprised eyebrow. You're really interested by everything everyone said.

You look like that emoji. You know how it's got the one eyebrow off? Yeah. And I had like two

permanent lines above one eyebrow because it was just like this. And there was nothing I could do

to stop it for like weeks. Well, all jokes aside, obviously we joke about it. We do get it. We

do get stuff, but we joke about it. But what I will say is you don't do anything Brit. No, I've

never any. Someone messaged me yesterday. I know a friend of mine from the dog park. She's like,

hey, babes, I'm just wondering, have you tried this kind of a laser? And I was like,

is the pope careful? I was like, sit down. Does a bear shit in the woods?

The bear shit in the woods. I was like, have I tried this type of laser? I don't know. It's

like this list. I was like, I've tried it all. But what I will say in all seriousness is,

for that exact reason, it is so important if you're going to get something that you go somewhere

that you know is good, you need to look at their reviews, you need to look at their qualifications,

like you can't just go willy-nilly or you'll end up like Laura. Yeah. I mean, I'm not against a

group on. So like, if you want to get some group on Botox, I'll share with you. If you got a

two for going, hit me out. Hey, as much as I hate to take you back to the ant funeral. But that

did remind me of another story. I know there's a lot of bathroom content. This wasn't planned,

but you've just maybe think of something that happened with Ben that was so funny to me.

So Ben and I, as you guys know, we live on other sides of the world. If you are new to the podcast,

my husband lives in Europe. So we spend a lot of time on the phone. We're FaceTime in all the time.

Now, there's been an update on, I don't know if it's WhatsApp update, the phone update or FaceTime

update. Like I don't know if it's a new phone thing because I do have the new phone. So we FaceTime

and we'll FaceTime for hours. But we just exist. We just go about our life. And if we need to go to

the bathroom on the toilet, we just go. So I will say to Ben, even as number two, I'll say go

into the toilet and I will turn the microphone off. And I have the sticky thing on the back of my

phone. So I just stick my phone around wherever, you know, like you just go in. So if we're in the

kitchen, I stick it on the kitchen wall and I'll go to the fridge and I'll cook whatever. If I go to

the bathroom, if I'm doing my makeup and he's on the phone, I stick it to the mirror. But we're

talking like you'll stick it to the mirror. And it's like, like, mid up, but you're not just

sitting there for more view of the toilet sitting on the toilet having a shower. No, exactly.

I will never have it on the toilet like never. But we don't hang up the phone. This is the crucial

piece of the information. So that's fine. I think a lot of people, do you know what? Some people

will do it, but they'll risk it. They're like, just mute themselves when they're doing anything

that's slightly audible, but they'll be on the toilet. Oh, that's me. Okay. No, that's what I'm

admitting it. But that's what I do. I'm taking you all to the toilet before. Number one's

number two's. I've had work meetings on that toilet. I'm all doing it. I'm not stopping my life.

Anyway, so I take all the microphones off. I was like, babe, go into the toilet. And so I stick

my phone onto the mirror. And it's like probably a meter and a half to the left is where the toilet is.

So like, I've stuck it purposely so he can't see. Then I've gone to sit on the toilet.

Gone to the toilet. Having a great time. Look down. I see that there's an ingrown hair. I'm like,

dress, dress, squeeze the ingrown hair. And I'm just doing what you would do is your private time

on the toilet. And I look back up and I realize on the update, it's got tracking on the face time.

So wherever I'm moving to the room, the fucking camera, I just faith track and I didn't look up. So

Ben was watching me on the toilet. It was watching me the whole time. So I'm like squeezing

her in hair. I looked up, gone to wipe. And I look at him and he's looking straight at me in his

stare. And I was like, I was like, what? And he's like, I say, you need to look away right now.

Anyway, I got up and turned on. I was like, babe, why didn't you tell me? It was tracking. He's like,

you muted the phone call. He was like, he's like, Britney, I'm pregnant. And I was like, we could

have looked away. No, it's like, it's like a car crash. You got to watch. It feels like, you

know that scene in bridesmaid where she's like, she didn't. Don't look at me. I was like, why,

why? But that's my PSA guys, the new update that camera tracks you. It tracks you anywhere

you're going that route. What is this the new iOS update? That's what I'm saying. I don't know if

it's the phone because I have the new phone or I don't know if my WhatsApp has a new update,

but the camera will track you. So it'll find you. That sounds like my children. The other day I was

going to the toilet. I'm sorry. I know no one cares about toilet chat, but we're here. We've

arrived at the destination. I'm going to update you. So parents will relate to this. When you have

small kids, you never spend any time on your own. I actually don't remember the last time

that I went to the bathroom with all my kids in the house and it didn't end up with one of them

coming in to tell me something to tell me an update. This is also for porants who have clingy

dogs. I died. I don't think it's the same. I can no longer go to the bathroom without

company. I like that. I thought you met it was like for poor parents. I was like, what?

Oh dear. Yes. Well, look, the other day, because we have a very full house, right? Because obviously

it's three kids and Ellie and Matt and myself. And the house is not particularly big. Every single room

has humans in it at all times. So the downstairs is just a kitchen and a combined lounge room area.

And then there's Ellie's bedroom and a bathroom. And that main bathroom is really Ellie's

bathroom because there's not, you know, it's hers, right? But it's only the only bathroom downstairs.

But that's the problem, right? She doesn't have another bathroom to use. That's the main bathroom.

It's also the bathroom on the way to the front door. So it's like the bathroom that's within a

thoroughfare of our house. It's her bathroom, but it's also anyone that actually needs to go when

you're on the platform. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay. So anyway, I needed to go to the toilet. I needed to

do a number two. And it was about four o'clock in the afternoon. So I went into the bathroom.

The unusual poo time. Yeah. No, hit me. I never know what it's going to be. I go into the bathroom.

I shut the door. I sit down. I mid go into the toilet. Actually, I think it actually came as a

surprise. I don't think I needed to do a number two until I arrived at the destination. Here we were.

Anyway, at the same time, I started to keep bus to barking. And then I hear Lola running down the hallway.

And I was like, I feel like here it comes. Lola swings the door open to ask me about something.

No, she wanted to show me the headband that she made. So that's great. So we're having a chat about

the headband. But the reason why the dog's barking is because at the same time, the Uber delivery

guy rocks up. So he's in my doorway with the door to the bathroom. It's only two meters from

the door wide open with me doing a shit. Ellie walks down to go and get the Uber and give him the

number. By then, Molly comes down to see what's going. I have the dog. Ellie and Uber guy.

Lola. And no one would shut the door. And so what did I have to do? Snap it off. No, with my pants

down around my ankles, I had to waddle over to the door, close it, and waddle back over after

screaming at my entire family. And I sat there and I was like, this is the realities of being a

parent. These are those humbling moments where you're like, why? Why? Why? Why? Why do I put a look

on this door? They don't know. Actually, it's true. Anyway, do you know what? Something I wanted

to talk about. It comes off what we spoke about last week. I think it was 40th birthday.

Okay, so it's my 40th in less than two weeks. And I'm very excited about it. I think my 40s

is going to be like my time to shine. If you really like, I'm stepping into a new era of me.

I mean, I think you've shined in your 30s. I think you're shining. I'm going to shine brighter.

Yeah, when that boat gets to be like, it's going to be like a bowling ball.

Is that a full moon? No, it's more. My forehead is going to be so shiny guys in my 40s.

So I'm stepping into my 40s. And I decided everyone's been asking me what I wanted for my 40th

birthday. I haven't known what I wanted as a present, but I bought myself a present. I bought

myself a full health scan stepping into my 40s. I'm getting a dexascade. Whatever the hell that's

called bone density. I'm getting like the full MRI body scared. Do you want to know what dexascade

stands for? No, yeah. Jewel energy extra absorb tomatry. So what do they do? Exactly. Bone density.

It checks your bone density to make sure you got enough vitamin D. Make sure you're in your cheese.

Make sure you think enough calcium. So I had this existential life crisis on the weekend.

And you guys know that I love to do an impulse Facebook purchase. It's one of my, it's one of my

favorite things. I think I had a code. I know. Britney. Britney health 20. 20. 20% off. No, I got

served an ad around it. And I was like, you know what? That's what I need. But then the problem is

I got so sucked into the marketing funnel that I kept on adding on. And now I'm going for a full

health. Everything's scared. They're going to scan everything for my hair follicles to my

asshole. I think I've got a colonoscopy book. I'm sure I'm doing everything. Did you actually add

a colonoscopy on everything? I didn't do that. I didn't do that. I was like, I think I had a

state a moment of paranoia where I was like, everyone's, people's health seemed to be going

downhill rapidly. There's been so many scare moments recently where I've heard of people having

these horrible health things happen. And I was like, I must scan every inch of my body. And then

wait for it. And then I bought an aura ring. I don't know what happened. Dora in having a crisis.

I don't know what happened. We've also been asking you what we could get you as a gift from

months. And then she bloody just goes and buys it for herself. I'm sure you want to know how much

you're not sleeping. Well, this is the problem, right? So I was talking to Matt sister on the weekend.

And I was like, hey, so last night I really went whole hog. I went and bought all the health stuff.

I'm going to start tracking my sleep. I'm going to start tracking all my health stats. And she

goes, why it's not like you're going to do anything about it anyway, happy with the result.

I was like, but sometimes I think it's worse. Sometimes I think when you for you, for example,

like you're tracking your sleep, you know, you're not sleeping, you know, you're up in the night

with kids and stuff. You know how you feel the next day. But sometimes I think when you look at

data on it, and it's like, oh, you've been in the red zone for 19 hours. Like you've slept 25

minutes. Why is he as American? I just feel like it's such an American thing. You know, like my,

my health voice is American. Like my fuck you voice is American. It's like fuck you. You're not

sleeping. Yeah, I feel like it's American. But I just wonder if what that does mentally to you

is make it worse. Because now you have the data to be like, oh my god, I've only slept 20 minutes

in my restorative phase of sleep. Like I'm screwed as opposed to just going off how you feel. I

don't know. Sometimes I wonder if having that data in a situation like yours, which is dire,

if it's worse. The problem is, is I feel pretty deranged at the moment in general. So at least I'd

have the data to prove it and be like, oh, it's not just me. I'm not losing my mind. I'm actually

just so beyond sleep to thrive. It's okay. Because you only haven't for a week. Then you can buy

me new ones. I want a clean slate going into my 40s. I want to know what it is that I'm working with.

So I bought it all. I kind of feel like you're coming over to my side of the sleep recommendations.

I feel like you're getting into my aura of like trying to maximize sleep. I've got a new one.

It's not just sleep though. It's the most we were we've done. I wasn't going to talk about

that here we are. We've arrived at the destination. To the map. Okay. I need to preface this and say

this is not scientifically bad. The science on this is not robust. This was a choice.

Keisha's like, you run naked through the woods on all hands and put down some of the good for your

cardiovascular health. Are you finally using the sage? I boy. No, no, I've not used the sage.

I did however purchase a grounding mat. Do you guys know what grounding is? You roll from your

shouting mat to the grounding mat. How do you do this? She rolls from a special mattress to the

spiky mat to the grounding mat. So grounding is something that actually happens to us naturally.

The earth obviously has like a magnetic field where we may have tried the ground and I stepped on

the needle. So apparently we used to get the benefits of grounding because we used to walk around

without shoes on and all that. Some of us still do. We don't get enough outdoor time.

You know, we're all worried about skin care and all that kind of thing. Fair. So they have

developed and by they, I mean the people who are into grounding have developed things like mats

and mattress protectors that conduct these things from your body and you plug it into your wall

socket. It doesn't have the like alternative current, you know, the sideways bits in Australia.

If you're listening internationally, I'm sorry, your power is a bit different to ours.

It's only got the one at the bottom that plugs into grounding. I've had it over two weeks,

guys. I've never slept. You've been scammed. I've never slept better in my life. I think I'm

grounded. What is it supposed to do? It's supposed to like something to do with removing certain

charges from your body. You don't even know what it does. You got sucked in. Guys, I had a friend

stay over the other day and she's really into my sleep recommendations and I was like, I have to

tell you before you sleep on the bed. There's an additional thing on there compared to the last time

that you stayed over. I want to know how you go with it and she asked me for a link because she also

said she slept so well. I look, I'm not going to pass judgment. I am the person who just bought an

aura ring and also spent all my money paying for scans. I don't need, but do you want me to get

you a grounding man? No, I don't want that. That's what we can get a friend. Don't want that.

Okay. Well, today we wanted to bring you a discussion that we have been having privately

amongst ourselves as friends and that I think literally the whole world is having.

You guys have probably seen the new documentary on Netflix. It's number one. It's Louis Theroux

inside the manosphere. Now, a couple of weeks ago, we spoke about looks maxing, which if you missed

that episode, it's about young men that feel like they have been sucked into the manosphere and

they have to, the whole value of themselves is based on their looks. They're bone chills,

chiseling their face. They're taking drugs to look better. They think that the only way to succeed

in life is if they look great and can win women. After we did that discussion,

we had one woman. I won, a woman, but pretty much that's the way they look at women. We don't

have a value to them. After that discussion, so many people slid into the DMs that were really

interested in us continuing these conversations. Then Louis Theroux, as he always does,

came through the goods and dropped this documentary. Now, this documentary inside the manosphere,

we've got a minute of it to play for you in case you haven't seen it yet or haven't read about

it yet, but it's, I guess, taking a deep dive into these terms that you might have heard, like

red pill, alpha male, high value men. Basically, it focuses on four huge players in the manosphere world.

He will follow them around individually to gain an insight into the content they're putting out,

their belief systems and the impact they're having on the next generation.

A man who's not dangerous will never be seen as successful. He can't be a little bitch.

A man against women that's a type of masculinity. If your bitch is going to a club,

when you say no, destroy her fucking life. A few years ago, I noticed the parts of the internet

were being taken over by a collection of male influences. We're like the last man

against this fucking bullshit that's going on. They claimed to be giving young men the

cheat codes to win the life. They had millions of followers. They boasted about having access

at the highest levels of power. I became curious why some of them held such extreme beliefs.

There is a war on men being strong. And whether they really were, what they seemed.

And now personally, it's like 2,000 women, which is quite an accomplishment.

They were deeply mistrustful of mainstream media, but after months of effort, I'd managed to find

a way inside the new world of men who were redefining what it means to be a man.

What happened to the days when influences used to just sell us green kale shakes and skincare

routines? Honestly, I want some hyaluronic acid into unsubscribed out of this shit.

Well, Louis goes to places like Miami, New York, Mabayam, and there's four key figures, as I said.

Sniko, Myron Gaines, Justin Waller, and my personal favorite, H.S. Tiki-Togging.

Obviously, we've spoken about these concepts quite a bit. And the whole theory around red pill

and in cell chat is not something that is particularly new. I mean, it's been circulating

for quite some time. It's been gaining loads of traction. A few years ago, all the focus

was on Andrew Tate. Now, it's kind of become more, I guess, commercialized and more palatable

in mainstream. But I found this documentary really interesting. And before we kind of unpack like

the parts of it that are either problematic or the things that we thought about it,

I fucking love the way that Louis Theroux interviews. I love it because why is the best?

And it's why it's so easy to watch and it's so palatable that it's also easy to watch by

everyone because he's not aggressive. He's not yelling at people. He's not in there telling

them that their views are wrong and that they're the problem. And by doing that, he gains the most

access to these people in a way that's not defensive. But his interview style, if you're someone

who loves Louis Theroux, the way he does things is he asks questions and gives enough space for the

people who are answering those questions to hang themselves in their ridiculous contradictions.

He doesn't have to do much. He doesn't in this case. There's been a lot of commentary online

around whether or not he went hard enough on these people. But the thing is it's not his job to

go hard. He's there to simply ask the questions and for us as the viewers to come up with how we

feel or the answers around it. The only thing that I thought was quite different about this from some

of the other documentaries that he's created and some of his other interviews is that I do think

that this is a world that feels completely foreign to him as someone who comes from mainstream

traditional media. And what you will see if you've watched the Docko is that as the TV crew are

filming these interviews, which obviously take months to put together a Netflix documentary,

you know, the people that he's interviewing. So, H.S. Tiki Tokki, who is from the online world

of social media, of fast 60-second viral clips, it was like interviewing the interviewer. He was

cutting down the clips in such fast succession that the documentary had already made it online,

but from H.S. Tiki Tokki's perspective. And it was almost as though in that very first

perception of the world that H.S. Tiki Tokki got the upper hand on Louis Theroux. Like, it was

really interesting how it was reversed engineered in that way. We'd never seen that before.

I think the main content creator that we have spoken about and that also got the most airtime

was this H.S. Tiki Tokki, but as you said, there were quite a few of them. But they all seem to be

the same breed. You know, they all seem to be positioning themselves as mentors or success coaches,

but their content all centers around. Like, every single one of them, it focuses on hypermasculinity.

There seems to be a physical aspect to it, like a fitness and what you look like aspects.

It looks nice. Yeah, there's the alpha male culture. There's how to make money quick, you know,

how to kind of get to the top by yourself. And every single one of them have problems with women.

And I think that the main question every single person around the world was left asking was like,

why are so many young men being drawn to this type of content about masculinity, about power,

and about women? I believe there is a huge part of these men that are just grifters. It is just

a pyramid scheme and they say the most controversial things. They say homophobic slurs,

they're anti-Semitic, they're openly like spewing hate on the streets online. But then there'll

be moments where HS Tiki Toki, for example, says, I'm not actually homophobic, even though he says

he'll disown his son if he's gay. I mean, he has homophobic. Yeah, that is homophobic. But he'll say

things like, oh, I don't actually believe anything I'm saying. Or you think I believe everything

that I say, this is a money making scheme. He's like, I am a businessman. I want to be rich. I

want to live my best life. And the way to do that is to put content out there that is going to

go on an outrage because that leads to sales and that leads to money and a rich life for me.

We're just trying to make content and trying to think of a way how we could make money. I went

from zero to making about £1,000 a day overnight. On what? A fitness plans, fitness programs.

Made £1,000 a day. Within two weeks was that right. I'm going to go to Marbella and try and

stream and become big £1,000 to £3,000 a day. And then it just went up. That's what it was.

So you were a salesman at that point? I've always been a salesman. I'm a salesman now.

Sales is the most important skill you can have. You're never going to be ultra successful if you

can't sell. Does the term matrix mean anything to you? The system, higher powers, the colluding powers

at the top of the world that want to keep everyone down, keep everyone broke, keep the slave mindset

going, yeah. Is that real? Is that a real? Of course it's real. Of course it's real. The people

at the top of the world, why would they want people to love them to make a load of money and not

make sense? When you say those things, I think surely there are millions of young boys that are

watching this because his content goes to audiences ranging from like 13 upwards. There's really

young impressionable boys watching this. Surely there are kids now watching this that are like,

oh, he's openly just saying he's taking my money. And I know the kids. Well, it doesn't just have

to be 13-year-old, but there has to be 100%, there has to be a flow on effect of this,

where there are even grown men that are like, oh, up until this moment, I've never actually seen

them admit that they don't believe half the stuff they're saying, that it is just money.

I guess one of the things that's most surprising to me is, I mean, hey, just Tiki Tokki,

I'm sure most people prior to this docker who are part of our audience sphere, like you guys never

heard of me. Probably never heard of the guy, right? Why would you? And unless you've watched

Manusphere, you probably have no fucking clue who any of these four people are. You would never come

in contact with their content. You are not their target market. Neither am I, surprise, surprise.

The one exception to that for me was Justin Waller. When I saw him, I was like, you look really familiar

and it's because he has a business with Andrew Tate. They have a course and coaching program that

you can sign up to for as little as $50 a month. Yeah, but even with that, the reason why you've come

into contact with that case is because we have done research on these topics for this podcast.

I would say that the majority of our audience, these are not content creators that would even be

served to them within the algorithm. What I found really dangerous, but also simultaneously

incredibly impressive is the fact that H.S. Tiki Tokki is 24 years old and he has just

used this model of being an influencer. And I guess like we've had female influences in the

space for forever. We've had women influencers who are 20 year old, 22 year old, super successful,

super aspirational and young girls have looked up to them and followed them for forever.

We haven't necessarily had the like for like when it comes to our male influencers or our male

lead subcultures. And that's where this has grown from. So he's 24 years old. He lives in

mansions. He's driving ridiculously amazing cars. He's talking about how much money he has,

how successfully he has, all the women he ever wants. That is like gold dust to a young boy

who is lonely, who doesn't have any luck with women, who probably has social anxiety, who is

questioning where does he fit within the landscape of men versus women. And what this content does

is it creates women as an instant enemy. And by doing that and creating women as an enemy within

this self-help-packaged whatever it is system that they're selling, it says this isn't you,

you can work on yourself, you can be better, but also we have an enemy. And there's so much in

this that it's not just the men who subscribe to this, that's the problem. I think it's the algorithm

itself. It's Instagram, it's YouTube, it's the social media platforms that have so much to

answer for. But because their whole platforms are centered around at-rage culture and pushing

out anything that gets engagement because you're engaging with the platform because you feel angry,

rage-baiting content, all of that is what's created. I guess this intense push of this type of

content and these intense rabbit holes that men are able to go down. The only reason why H.S.

Tiki-Toki is famous and successful is because rage-bait content works. Well, that's an interesting

point, Laura, because the only reason that this documentary was made by Louis is because of the

content that was served on the internet to his sons. So Louis has three sons and in COVID,

he had never heard of Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate wasn't a really big thing that was everywhere yet,

right? And so COVID happens, everyone's at home, his three sons are spending more time on the

internet. He starts hearing the name Andrew Tate between his sons being thrown around.

Andrew Tate said this, such and such, said that. And Louis is like, who is this Andrew Tate guy?

Because he was hearing some of the things his son was saying. Now, think about how wonderful

and intelligent Louis Theroux is. Think of the education he would have given his sons.

And he hears these things being spouted at home. So he goes and does a bit of research, finds

that who Andrew Tate is, gets sucked into the manuscript world, and then obviously Andrew Tate blew

up after that. As did the rest of these content creators. And that's when he thought, wow,

where is a really big problem here? I know if there's a problem at home in my house right now,

I can only imagine what's happening to the rest of the world. And that's where Manosphere came from.

Yeah, there's been a lot that's come out recently around how COVID had such a huge impact

on this subculture even coming into fruition. Like that COVID itself and having young men be isolated,

having them, you know, be able to kind of like get into these subreddit groups and sub gaming

culture groups, that that was kind of like the years of which it flourished.

The thing that you said about the algorithm I think is interesting because as we know,

keywords, outrage culture, all of that is rewarded by algorithms. Obviously that means that their

content is proliferated. But I think the other reason that they have been successful in turning

themselves into these influential figures is because they've actually tapped into very real

emotions that young men are feeling. I think that they have tapped into the fact that a lot of

them are feeling disposable. They feel like they live in a grind system where we don't value each

other. They feel like they can't succeed in the capitalist world. Like there's a whole bit about,

you know, working in nine to five and escaping the matrix. And it's all about the concentration

of wealth and exploitative labor and and the thing that's insane about it is it's like you're almost

there. You're almost there. You're almost there. You're almost talking about these very real

societal issues, but then they go and it's women's fault. And you're like, oh,

fuck, you were so close. You were so close to talking about the systems that are actually affecting

all of us right now. But instead of saying that it's the patriarchy instead of saying that it's

this like issue with very, very conservative powers, you say it's women. And I think that that was

the part where I was like, oh, you almost got there because there were parts that I really did

agree with. There were parts about certain things to do with working for, you know, the big dogs

and them wanting to keep you down and then wanting to keep you poor because that's the only way

that they're able to be rich themselves. I was like, yes, but not because of women. Do you realize

that you're also one of those people? Like I think that they they speak about the fact that they

want to break down these systems without actually having the intellectual capacity to realize that

they are adding to the systems. There's this real hatred towards women, but there's also like a

real hatred towards anything that would indicate equality, right? So they talk about this idea of

monogamy, but it's called one-sided monogamy. And that one-sided monogamy is that the woman is

monogamous in a heterosexual relationship because they don't have as high sexual desire. But the man

is not expected to be monogamous, but he'll come home and still be with his wife or partner. However,

this is a really like common theme. A lot of these guys in the manosphere practice one-sided

monogamy. And I really think, you know, that quote, which is when you're accustomed to privilege,

equality feels like oppression. That's what is the experience in this, I think. And it's like

because women have gained more access, more equality, more, you know, and not even to a place of

equality yet, but you know, more positions within the workforce. These men are able to

sell a program, which is like, you're missing out because they're taking more. They're capitalizing

on false victimhood. Absolutely. And it creates once again. And you know, and kind of what you said,

Britt, this whole idea of like their salesman, they're selling these programs because they're

making an enemy. And like if you always have someone, so if you've got like angry lonely men,

and you're like women of the answer, you're guaranteeing that they're going to stay angry lonely men,

and they're going to keep buying your programs. Of course. If they're happy and making money,

they're not going to buy you shit, are they? It's fucking frightening though. The whole thing is

frightening. And it's also the thing that I felt was very, I guess like, doomsday of this

documentary is that there's no resolution to it. Like often you finish a documentary and you're like,

and that's been packaged up into a nice bow, and that's the resolution, and that's how we fix this

problem. But I think this is the resolution. This is supposed to be a conversation starter, and

everyone is talking about it. Like everyone, I got on the phone to bend this morning and

bends like, hey, I just watched, and I didn't tell him we're talking about, he's like, I just finished

watching Manosphere, you know, as a 34 year old man that lives on his own, that he's a good human,

that isn't in that world, and he's watching it, and he started a conversation with me. And I think

that this is the great thing, because Ben openly will say, and think of the content that we do on

this podcast, right? Ben will say, I didn't realize it was so bad. He's like, you know about it,

and you hear about it, and you hear about, you know, some of the things, you get clickbaits here,

and they're about what they're spouting. He's like, I did not know the depths that it went to,

and how bad it was for these young kids. I'd be so interested to know, like, you guys listening,

what have been your experiences in your day-to-day with your social networks and your friends,

or your partners' friends, or your boyfriends' friends, or whoever they are? Like, what have been your

experiences that have tapped into the Manosphere? Because I think it's easy to think that it's very

much like something that it sits on the other side of a wall, and it's a problem for other people,

but I would even say in my experience, there's been moments where I'm like, oh my god, you've

been watching too much that fucking red pill shit, or you've been listening to too much Steven

Bartlett, and I know that we have had Steven Bartlett on this podcast before, but his content has become

more and more radicalized, because even he has realized that it gets clicks, it gets views,

and that's what he's putting out more of in order to continue to grow. I had a really fascinating

conversation that was a fucking eye-opener with someone who I wouldn't have thought would be

sucked into this type of content, and we were talking about the Steven Bartlett thing,

which came out, you guys would remember, it was a few months ago now, and it was an interview

with a guy named Chris Williamson from Modern Wisdom, and he was talking about how there is a large

group of men whose genetic DNA will be lost because women aren't having sex with them and reproducing.

And I was having this conversation with a friend, and he was like, do you know what? I think that

there is some validity to this, and I was like, how? Explain that to me. And he was like, you know,

I've got friends, they're fucking great, they're great guys, and they're still single.

Like, why are they single? Because women won't give them a chance, because the standards are too high,

and I was like, whoa, how did I end up in this destination of this conversation? But it was so

casual, and he isn't someone who I would typically say is misogynistic, has problematic views,

but even he had been sucked into the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg of what this problem is,

and I kind of set the script to that. Totally, but I was, no, there's not, you think,

our standards are too high, but that's the truth, because we can have them high now. We don't have

to, all men used to have to do is have a good job and money, and we needed to have kids and

security, so we would live with them and we would accept everything else. We don't fucking need

that anymore. You need us. This is my point. This is exactly what I said to him. I was like,

I think it's okay if some people's genetic DNA go away. Like, I don't think that it's the great

tragedy that men are being led to it being, if you're unable to reproduce, because no woman wants

to have sex with you, that's not a problem on women, just so you know. And I, you know what I'm

loving? I'm loving the counter content that's coming out at the moment to this manosphere documentary.

I saw this one yesterday and this woman had put out and it was a male voice overlay and it was a

video of her with a cat to start with and she was patting her cat. It was a bait and switch.

It started off and it was like, it was like the problem with women today is that their standards

are too high and they will die alone, surrounded by amazing friends in their beautifully decorated

apartments with pets that are clean. With belly laughs, with clean bathrooms, living the time of

their lives. And it went through all of these amazing things that this woman has in her life,

even though she's alone. And I really, I love the counter content that's coming out to try and

rebalance this manosphere chat. Yeah, the one thing that I think I was left asking is like,

who is this documentary actually targeted at? And I don't even know if I have the answer to that,

because I think no one who exists in this world, which if you're listening to this podcast,

includes you. I don't think any of us were shocked by, oh, sorry, I don't think any of us

were surprised by some of the content that came out of the docker. We might have been a bit shocked

that it was in such succession to each other, but none of us were like, oh, I had no idea this was

happening. And so I wonder if like, is this targeted at teenage boys who are the ones that are

going to be impressionable? Is it targeted at their parents? Is it targeted at people in general

who might not be aware of this kind of content? And that left me questioning, like, there is a

lot of criticism that you guys brought up before about the fact that Louis didn't go hard enough

on the fact of this is so damaging to women. And I almost wonder if that was very deliberate to

make it very palatable. And please hear me out. Like, let me finish that sentence before you cancel

me. I think as women, we have been kicking and screaming about how damaging and how problematic

this content is for, I would say decades, you know, at least years and years and years.

It seems as though people haven't been listening. And so do we need what?

What? Like, do we need for something to shame these guys to humiliate them? Like, is that actually

a bigger driver of general behavior and perception than us showing them an expecting empathy

for the plight that this type of stuff puts on women?

I think the brilliance of this documentary is that the demographic is so broad.

This is hitting people from 13 to 60. It is hitting men and women. And I say that because

you Keisha said, you know, we weren't surprised by it. I was, I was utterly shocked

at some of the content that they were putting out because I was exactly really shocked by.

For example, when they were setting up people to come and meet them and then beating them up

horrifically on camera to then get streams, I had no idea that these people were going to that

level. I thought they were just like women hating, saying anti-Semitic things. I thought they were

just trying to sell their content. I didn't know it was so dark. Like, because that is horrific.

Totally. It's a weird crossover between like having these high moralities, like the people that

they were beating up were people that they were perceived predators. So like child sex predators.

Like it's fucking, the whole world is just, it's such a dark, dark world of content that it is.

But I think that's why I think this is so brilliant is because people like us who are educated

are seeing something that is not necessarily mainstream, be brought to the mainstream.

Men like my husband, Ben, who is a good man, he said the good thing is no one can watch this

and take it seriously. He's like, no one watches and believes these people. And I said,

that's where you're wrong, Ben. I said, you can say that because you're a 34-year-old man

that grew up without the internet that was brought up by women. So you're educated enough not to be

sucked into this. I said, but the problem is young men and boys, teenagers are being sucked into

this world. But that goes to show me that there is a plethora of men out there that are of our

age and demographic that are educated people that don't believe it's a problem. But now they do.

Now they see the content that's putting Ben put out there. Then there are mothers and the fathers

that are like, holy shit, that's the stuff that my kids are watching. I think he's done a really

beautiful job at making it so broad and there's so much outrage around it without him being

outraged in the documentary. He just poses the question and lets them absolutely unravel.

The conversations that have come off the back of this from such a broad demo for me is the best part

about this documentary. It's time for Zack and Sweet, our highlights and our lowlights of the

week, Laura Burn, suck. I'm going to keep it really spicy, snapper and short. Poppy being sick,

suck. Have not slept in two days. Big suck. Thank you for persevering with me while I try and

piece together any semblance of a sentence in this episode. Patience is a very good editor.

Yeah, I actually didn't say anything. You should just piece together single words and the whole

thing is just sound bites. And my sweet for the week is going to the RSL Club on Saturday night.

This just shows I'm where my life is at at the moment. Saturday night, we, Saturday afternoon,

we took the kids, we went down to the beach and then I was like, you know what, let's not cook.

Let's go to the RSL Club on the way home. North one, the RSL. They've got like a plague

equipment there. I think I've already talked about on the podcast and there was a live band.

I just had such a nice night. It's also got the most lit view.

It's like you're so good looking bond, I look at the sunset, having a delicious barimundi.

Like it's just we got it. We got it. We had a great time. How was the barimundi cooked? No,

I'm joking. Delicious. Had a mango salsa on top with asparagus and rice.

Okay. Did your piece smell after asparagus? I don't think so. I think we're going to interview.

We're going to get out for it. So let's not sit in the pee. Honestly, it was like the absolute

highlight of my week. It's just sometimes things like that like going to the arena Saturday night.

If you told me a year ago that that would be my absolute sweet. But like getting out of the house

with three kids and still feeling as though I get to have adult time whilst being a mom simultaneously.

These are the moments and like specific venues that make it really easy. And so going to the

area that has like an indoor play equipment where the kids can just go and be feral is honestly my

favorite moment. The end. I'm glad you kept that short and cute. We got this. We got the

paragus. We got the salsa. All right. What is yours? I can tell you the rest of it. Do you know

the sauce? No, no, my suck this week is lemon every like every day for last week. Delilah is

stunk, right? Like stunk. And I'm like, what is wrong with this? Like so rancid. So I have to wash

that. And then I'm like, oh, she must have rolled in something. This happened every day. And I

was like, something's not right. So I had to go through my whole yard. Anyway, there was a dead

rat that was like in the corner. I don't know how to die. I didn't kill it. But it's been there

in the I've got like a lot of mulch and stuff. And I didn't know it was there because I've got

quite a big yard actually. And she just goes out and rolls in every single day. She's been rolling

in a dead fucking rat every day. But I couldn't work it out. You know, it's the worst part about that

though is when you're like, where's the adult to clean up the dead rat? Yes. Yes. That's the whole

thing is. And I said that to Ben. That's literally I said, I said, I'm sick of having to do everything.

And like, he's like, I don't live there, babe. I'm like, I know. He doesn't leave the rat up.

I was like the rat. I was like, I just want someone to share the load. That's how I felt. Did you

airtask it? I did. No, I don't. I picked it up. Oh, same time there was a possum in the yard. I

had to pick that up too. Anyway, my suite of the week is we had a with Keisha and a couple of

other friends. We had like a really nice wholesome dog beach day. It was we found this like new little

cove. It was absolutely beautiful. It was really flat. It was like one of those days where I was

like, I can't fault this day. That was my suite. Was that until Claire and I were going to talk

about her nearly dying? Yeah. I'm one of my friends. But whatever. Besides her nearly dying, no.

I can't fault it. It was one of those moments. It was one of these moments where I said to my friend

when I arrived, I said, you know what? This is the stuff where if we were in France or Europe

somewhere now, you would be like, oh my god, look how beautiful this is. And I was like, this is

our home. Like, this is Sydney. We're so lucky. But because it's our home, sometimes we forget

how beautiful it was. But if you were on the Italian coast and you saw the exact same thing,

you'd just be like, life is good. Life is good. Well, guys, that is it from us. If you have any

thoughts, feelings, considerations that you would like to add to the episode, you can go and join us

at Life and Cut Discussion Group on Facebook. We're all of the discussions go down. You can also

watch us on YouTube because we had our trip. We put our full episodes up there as well. And

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