Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 9) (4/1/26)

0:00What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to pick up where we left off with the onname captain and his interview with the OIG inspectors. Question, now what was their time shift? Was it 4pm to midnight? Answer who? Question, the people we were just talking about the evening watch. Answer yeah. There yes, 4pm to midnight. Question, so 4pm to midnight. At that point, if it was recognized that there was no cellmate and he needed a cellmate, could have if they did contact the absolute tenant, absolute tenant did contact you, could have an inmate been assigned at that time, or would that have to wait till the next day? Answer, well I would have done if I would have known right then and there that he didn't have a cellmate, he's already an attorney visiting, right? Question yep, answer, so I would have went on ahead, all right, keep him in attorney visiting, I would have called, guess who I would have called, I would have called,

1:02the AW to let him know, well, redacted and I would have called the warden, I would have said, hey, look, this guy went out, the WAB today, or Reyes didn't come back from court, we got to vet another guy. Question okay, answer, and that's what would happen, and plus I was there at eight, so let's say he got released from attorney visiting and he didn't go back, and when they went to let's say, hey, this dude, he don't have a cellmate, I would have been like, hold up, I would have said because I got R&D staff down there, right? Because I can't put him on suicide watch, I can't put him on close supervision, so I would have said, hey, quarter this guy right now, and R&D put a staff member on it, which would have been Fox 1, put him on Fox 1, put a staff member down there, let me call the warden. Question, what does Fox 1 mean? Answer, that means that's R&D. Question okay, answer, that's the cell assignment I believe, it would have been Fox 1, just I can't put him on suicide watch. Question right, and then Fox 1, people monitor at all times,

2:07answer no, but I would have had somebody monitor him, I would have had, hey, put a staff member down there and watch this guy until we get him a cellmate. Question okay, and you think that the same day August 9th, he would have had a cellmate if you were made aware. Answer, yeah, if I was made aware, he would have, he would have got a cellmate. Question okay, now let's go back and say if Redacted did know and didn't tell anybody, he didn't tell you, he didn't tell Redacted, is he the one? He gets cut off by the captain, he dropped the ball, answer or question, right? Answer, because again, like I told you about Count, and made a good statement, then how did you clear the count? Question, uh-huh, so the two people that, so if Redacted knew, and he didn't tell anybody, he dropped the ball, but at the same time, if the 4 p.m. Count was conducted, they would have then raised the issue with Redacted, answer, right? Question, so there would have been two checks

3:07there, answer, right? Question, and if not, it would have also happened that the 10 p.m. Count, as well, answer, right? Question, so if the 4 p.m. Count, the 10 p.m. Count, were both conducted, there would have been notice, hey, no cellmate, bring it up to Redacted, answer, correct. Question, all right, so if Redacted didn't know, Redacted didn't tell him, so Redacted dropped the ball, the shoe staff dropped the ball, it looks like, answer, right? Question, okay, before we move on from that, do you want to talk about anything specific to that notion? Answer, no, question, okay. Answer, can we take a break? Question, absolutely, all right, so they take their break, then they come back. Question, all right, so what we are talking about before, before we move on, I just want to go back to, so you said if Redacted knew, he dropped the ball, if the shoe staff didn't do their counts at 4 p.m. And at 10 p.m. That's when they would have

4:08next found out that Epstein was without a cellmate, and they would have then reported it up. Answer, mm-hmm, question, correct. What did we want to follow up with on that one? Answer, if a notification came from the court that Reyes wasn't coming back, who would have got the notification? Answer, that notification would have came through R&D and through the control center, which the control center would have updated the count in century to reflect if the inmate was physically in the institution or was still out in the court. So it would be contingent to look at the century roster, which would be the E1 that the control center had created for those counts, to find out if Reyes was still on the count as physically being in the institution or out to court. Question, okay, and if R&D in control did get that notification, did they have to notify the issue? Answer, yeah, because then the count would be off. Question, if let's just say that the notification came between 1 and 3, who in the shoe would have been notified? Answer, the OIC,

5:14which would have been for the day watch, it would have been either redacted or redacted? Question, and what should they have done? Answer, and with that one time, they would have reflected on inside of century, and also they would have known that the inmate was not physically there, and they would have had notified the operations lieutenant that this guy didn't come back. So that means somebody would have had to make sure that the institutional count was right or wrong. Question, so in this instance, if redacted new, who would have been the one that would have been informed? Answer, that would have been the one that had been either redacted or redacted would have notified them, but then I also said that redacted worked in the capacity of OIC, because a lot of those officers would say, oh, I don't have the ability to log on into the program, so he would do double duties. Question, okay, so let's say that the shoe staff that time did notify redacted. Let's say that redacted now didn't take any action, okay? Now,

6:14let's say that the next shoe staff comes on board, should they continue to report the matter of the chain? Answer, yeah. Question, even though the shoe that replaced them already made the notification that Epstein was without a cellmate and needed a new one. Answer, because their count would have been off, and then they wouldn't have known that, you know, when they brought him back from attorney visiting that the cell was empty. Question, right, and I'm not specifically talking about the count right now, what I'm saying is like if the shoe did notify redacted, hey, Epstein is required to have a cellmate, and the cellmate is gone, we need to get him a new one. Redacted now never takes any action, should the shoe later that day? May the same notification to, in this case, to redacted, hey, Epstein still hasn't been reassigned to cellmate. Answer, correct. Question, okay, so the shoe may have done it right at day watch and redacted got the notification, but the shoe on the night watch gets cut off by the captain, didn't do it. Answer didn't do it,

7:15and they should have. Answer, because he was an attorney visiting, so they said, oh, it was an empty cell. We said, okay, yeah, Epstein is still at attorney visiting, nobody would have cared about the celly, because they would have thought that he was still out at court. Question, okay, answer, but if he did come back by eight that night, somebody would have said something. Answer, or question, now let's go even further from, now we go from evening watch to now morning watch where on August 10th, where Noel and Thomas are now in there. Answer, correct. Question, should they have made the notification to redacted? Answer, they wouldn't have known, question, all right, so they should have, gets cut off by the captain, they would have been in the unit with the assumption that all of the inmates have been accounted for by the previous shift because the count didn't go wasn't bad. Question, so that's the 12 a.m., 3 a.m., and 5 a.m. Answer, correct. Question, are you saying they don't really need to do those counts? Answer,

8:15no, no, no, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is they wouldn't have not have known that the inmate didn't come back from court. If it wasn't addressed on either at day watch or evening watch, question, okay, answer, they wouldn't know, they would just can't be responsible for counting what inmates was housed in that unit between the hours of 12 to 5 because those are the three counts. So yeah, let's see, these are the three counts, let's look. Question, so the 5 o'clock one, answer, all right, so I got the 5 o'clock. It looks like we got the 5, the 10, the midnight, the 3, the 5, and then is this the rounds? Answer, yeah, that's the control. Question, the control, answer, yeah, we don't want this, I'll take this. Question, okay, so here are the counts from August 9th, from 4 p.m., through August 10th, through 5 a.m. Answer, okay, question, now we have reason to believe that the 4 p.m., the 10 p.m., the 12 a.m., and the 3 a.m., and the 5 p.m., none of them were

9:15conducted. Answer, okay, so what you're saying, that the 4 p.m. count for August 9th was not done, and the 10 wasn't done? Answer, and the 10, nor was the 12, the 3, or the 5 a.m. Now, is there a way to look at that? If there is someone, let's say because at this 12 a.m. count, you'll notice there's a discrepancy, there's one inmate, they're off by, control says, hey, you're off by one. Is there a way to kind of look at these counts, and notice, all right, this would have been picked up then, or a way to kind of just tell that these weren't conducted by just looking at the documents, or noticing if, you know, if Reyes is gone by 150, you know, he's released. Is there a way to tell that? Because you've got it right here. Answer, okay, question, this is the form right there, this will tell you who the inmates are out of count. Question, okay, answer, and that's from small. He was one of the receiving and discharged employees that was probably working on August 9th. Question, okay, answer, so she would know

10:19who was still out at count. So that means operations, lieutenant, didn't even sign it, that's a violation. Question, so this document that you're looking at, it looks like, what is it, like the third page on there? Answer, yeah, that that should have been because you've got it right there, Clark, unassigned work assignments. So this inmate Clark, that's saying he's out at court. Question, okay, answer, so now our count is minus one, but we know where he is because he's still out at court. So Reyes, that count, so if he went out to court, let's say we was at 88, let's just say when he went out to court, him and Clark went out, he would have went down to 86, but guess what, Reyes drops off the count, how he got released. Question, so if he was released, gets cut off by the captain, form that should have come from the marshals back to us saying that he got released. Question, so between 10am and the 4pm count, would there have been a form in their showing that he

11:21was released? Answer, there should have been question, okay, answer, that should have been generated from the marshals because it's a transfer order. You heard of a transfer order, every time an inmate goes off, if you've got 10, that went out to court that day, that's the transfer order, whatever the disposition of those inmates are, okay, boom, 10 went out to count, eight coming back, okay, where are the other two? Okay, I got this guy, that's still out of counted and he's at court, he's still at whatever, at this time frame, where's Reyes? There should have been a transfer receipt signed by the marshals, by the staff, that was at the New York court over there, the people that handle the inmates, that transfer order should have been sent back with whoever was transporting the inmates and brought back to the institution to say that this guy never came back. Question, so the third page that you're saying though, that was a violation that the operations lieutenant didn't sign? Answer, right, question, would that have been redacted or redacted at the

12:23time? Answer, because all the staff, it's called a 30-day file. Answer, so what the lieutenant's are supposed to do on their shift is supposed to, when they make rounds in control, they're supposed to, because we're supposed to take count on every shift, especially in the off-hours. So before Epstein, that was a responsibility. On the off-hours, you'll be responsible for taking count, so that evening watch guy would take the ten count, right, or somebody, somebody would take the four o'clock count, so the operations lieutenant or the activities would normally go down and take the four. They would go through the paperwork for that day, up to four o'clock, and you would sign all the forms, like if somebody checked out keys, restricted key forms, operations, is supposed to sign it. Question, mm-hmm, answer, if the transfer order receipts come back, you're supposed to sign it. Whatever happens on that shift, you're supposed to sign the count slips. That form right here, that should have been signed by the lieutenant. Question, okay, so these forms that we're looking at four p.m., there's a number of signatures that

13:25are missing. Answer, yeah, question, and should have that been the lieutenant, as in, it looks like redacted. Answer, official preparing count, official taking count, those are going to be, so the person that was taking the count would have been the OIC, then the person who actually was there, as a lieutenant, that was taking the count. Normally, we would sign it in the end, or in red. Question, now the lieutenant, when you say that they're there, aren't they in the control center? Answer, they're in the control center. While the officers are doing count, question, okay, so the shoe calls in, says we got count 72, 73, 74, whatever it is, and in this case, when you look at the four p.m. though, you're seeing that there was no lieutenant that signed off on that. Answer, no, question, so on the first page, as well as the third page, was there, they should have signed, answer, right. Question, all right, and then gets cut off. Yeah, because I got to look, I got a signature for this one, that was approved by the operations

14:30lieutenant right here. Question, and who is that? Answer, that's, I don't know who that signature is. Question, all right, it looks like redacted, would have been on duty, is that the time, question, or answer, that's going to be four p.m. Whoever took the four p.m. that lieutenant would have been redacted. All right, folks, we're going to stop right here, and in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.