Inside the OIG Interview: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 12) (3/23/26)

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To the Tova Noelle interview with the OIG inspectors.

Question, all right, we're just going to talk

a little bit about counts and rounds.

According to you, what is a sell count

and you have it in front of you

if you need to refer to the policy,

but what is your understanding of a sell count?

Or sorry, an inmate count.

Noelle, you count every inmate to make sure

that they're alive.

Question to make sure that they're alive

and accounted for.

Noelle, yes, question, all right.

And can you just explain the process?

Noelle, the first officer goes down and counts

and then the second officer goes down and counts

and then we confirm the numbers.

Question, okay, and prior to confirming the numbers,

do you tell the other officer how many you counted?

Noelle, no, question, all right.

So you get your number, then another officer goes down,

gets their number.

Noelle, and when they come back, question

and is that tier by tier or do you,

she got some off, yes, tier by tier,

question, tier by tier.

Just one person stands outside

while the other person goes down range

and counts the inmates.

Noelle, yeah, question.

So do you have to like see the person moving?

What do you need to do when you're doing the count?

Noelle, you need to see the prisoner move,

redacted, question, do you have to like talk to them,

make sure they're responsive or anything like that?

Noelle, or you could see them breathing.

Question, just as long as you see some life, okay?

So what are the requirements in the shoe

on how often is a count conducted for counts?

Noelle, count is at four, I mean it's been a long time,

I really don't remember, but I think four, 10, 12, 3, and 5.

Question, okay, so 4 p.m, 10 p.m, 12 a.m, 3 a.m,

and 5 a.m, Noelle, yeah.

Question, and is this every day or is it Monday through Friday,

D&O, Noelle every day?

Question every day, and you're just making sure

that they're alive.

You don't actually have to speak to them.

Noelle, no, you don't.

Question, okay, and what's the difference, what's around?

Noelle, I mean the round, you're walking down the tier,

basically checking to see if they're okay,

but you're not counting, you're just checking to make sure.

Question, so you're doing the same thing,

you're just counting the inmates, all right?

So you're making sure that they're okay and they're alive.

Noelle, yeah, like you don't need a number, question,

but one CEO goes down, checks, and then does the other one,

or does there only need to be one?

Noelle, well it's one.

Question, so both don't need to actually do that?

Noelle, no, question, all right.

So just one CEO goes down, does the other CEO have to remain

at the door to make sure the CEO is okay?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, okay, so is that the difference then?

Noelle, between the counts and the rounds, yeah.

Question, only one CEO is required,

that's for your understanding of policy?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, okay, and during the rounds,

do you have to speak with the inmates?

Noelle, you don't have to, question, no,

but on both instances, both CEOs have to be present.

You're just saying with rounds,

only one CEO actually needs to go down.

Noelle, go down range, yeah.

Question, you said the purpose is to make sure

that they're okay and they're alive.

Noelle, yes.

Question, and are they, are the counts and the rounds

both documented?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, and do you have to sign documents

when you conduct counts and rounds?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, okay.

Now if you and another officer,

like on the case of when you work 12 a.m. to 8 a.m.,

if you and another officer are the only ones assigned

to the shoe, are you both just responsible

for documenting the round sheets and the count slips?

So if you're the one documenting all the rounds

for the 30 minute rounds,

is your documentation?

Does that also carry weight for the other person?

That's with you?

Are you signing for both?

Noelle, I don't think so

because I just have my signature.

Question, so you would take responsibility

for the cell count rather than saying

that you're both responsible?

Noelle, well the rounds and the counts

have to be done with two people.

Question, let me just show you,

so you know what I'm talking about.

I'm just going to show you from August 9th and 10th,

the cell counts and the rounds

so that there's no misunderstanding.

So this first one's going to be the 8.9 2019

for the 30 minute check sheet.

And the other one is going to be 8.10 2019.

Can you just let me know if you see your handwriting

and initials on these two documents?

Noelle, yes.

Question, okay, and I guess we'll first discuss August 9th.

Where do you see it?

And from what time to what time?

Noelle from 4 to 11 30?

Question, and are you ever one of them?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, okay, so every 30 minutes,

you have your initials and you wrote those.

That's actually your initials on that one?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, and what about on August 10th, 2019?

Noelle, yes.

Question, okay, so what I'm asking here

is by placing those initials,

is that now fall on you?

Or if you're only two people in there,

like on August 10th,

are you basically signing for both people?

Or do you think you're only signing for yourself?

They're avowing what the round was conducted.

Noelle, I don't know.

Question, okay.

Noelle, I guess like you're trying to say

if the rounds have to be conducted with two people.

And then I sign, it would be, I don't know.

Question, okay.

But you did sign and certify that they were conducted?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, okay.

And what do you do with the rounds, the sheets?

How are those maintained?

Noelle, well, I usually fill it out

like prior in hopes to conduct the round.

Like when I work in the shoe,

I never actually done the round every 30 minutes.

Like when you go down to give out toilet paper,

that's counted as a round.

To pick up trays, it's counted as a round.

To give out food, that's counted as a round.

But and then you fill it out either after or before.

You're not sitting like every 30 minutes,

like filling it out.

Question, okay.

And you said you did it a lot of times prior

to actually conducting the round.

Noelle, yeah.

Question, all right.

And what the rounds, do you call anybody

with that information?

Noelle, no.

Question, what's done with the sheet?

Is it at the end of the shift, something done with it?

Are they logged into the BOP database at all?

What happens with those sheets?

Noelle, I don't know, because it's left on the table.

I don't know what they do with them.

Question, so as far as you know, you just fill it out

and you leave it there?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, okay.

You don't ever provide it to anyone?

Noelle, no.

Question, and you don't ever go into any BOP database

and enter those rounds?

Noelle, no.

Question, do you know if someone else does?

Noelle, I don't know.

Question, you don't know, okay.

What about the counts?

Do you call people after the counts?

Noelle, yes, control.

Question, you call control?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, and do you recall on August 9th

or August 10th, you called?

Did you call anyone with those numbers?

Noelle, yes.

Question, okay.

And do you remember which counts you called?

Noelle, not or remember which?

Question, and you know you did some of them,

you just don't remember specifically which ones?

Noelle, which ones?

Question, okay.

And do you remember speaking with lieutenants

when you were there or with regular officers assigned

to the control center?

Noelle, I don't remember who I spoke to.

Question, you don't remember.

Well, with the count slips, you said,

you just leave those round slips on the table.

When you're done,

when you do the count slips,

what do you do with those slips?

Noelle, we did the same thing.

We filled them out before.

Question, before you actually conduct the counts

before you filled them out.

Noelle, yeah.

Question, so before you actually even getting the number,

you fill out the number?

Noelle, because we know the number.

Question, okay, so do you then call somebody with the number?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, what do you call?

Noelle, control.

Question, control.

Okay.

And you provide them with the number

that you wrote on that document?

Noelle, yes.

Question, sorry we did this.

My question was supposed to be,

what do you do with the physical pieces of paper?

Noelle, stick it in the door and then internal takes it.

Question, okay, so no one actually comes in.

To the shoe, you stick it in the door?

Noelle, the outer door.

Question, so you open up the interior, the inner door,

and then you go to the outer door.

Noelle, then stick it in there.

Question, there's like a special slot for it.

Noelle, not a slot.

It's just between the door.

Question, okay, internal never comes in though.

Noelle, they didn't that day.

I don't know if they ever come in, but they didn't that day.

Question, okay, on August 9th, 2019,

you said you filled all that out.

What rounds did you conduct during your shift

on August 9th, 2019?

Noelle, well that's hard for me to tell

because I didn't conduct it every 30 minutes.

It was give out food, pick up the trays,

give out toilet paper, go down.

So those were the rounds that I conducted.

Question, so you were conducting around

as just doing something with an inmate?

Noelle, yeah, because I actually physically walked.

Question, every tier, all six?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, are there six tiers in the shoe?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, okay.

Two floors, two levels.

Noelle, yeah, yeah.

Question, so when you do these rounds,

when you would go down range and handle an inmate

or give something to an inmate,

you would also do all six?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, all right, so about how often

let's ask it a different way

about how many of those didn't you do on August 9th?

Noelle, I don't know.

I can't give a number of how much I didn't do.

Question are some of those that were documented,

were they not done?

Noelle, yeah.

Question, all right.

So you didn't do some of them.

You just don't know which ones?

Noelle, right.

Question, all right.

Okay, and now Mr. Foy interjects.

Let me just say to help clarify the times that you wrote down.

Noelle, okay, Foy, right.

Foy, when did you write the times down?

Noelle before, Foy, all right.

So when did around to take toilet paper,

did you change the time to reflect that particular round?

Did you do anything with the paperwork

to change the actual time?

Noelle, no.

Question, and why did you do that?

Is it because of the requirement?

Noelle, why did I fill?

She gets cut off.

Why did you fill these ahead of time?

Were you just trying to stay on top

of what the actual requirement was

to conduct a 30 minute round?

Noelle, I mean, I don't know why I did it.

I just always did it that way.

Question did someone train you to do it that way?

Noelle, I mean, I've seen it done that way before.

And three people that actually do it as they do it.

It's been done all three different ways.

Question, some do it before, some do it during

and some do it after.

Noelle, yeah.

Question.

And just this instance, you did it all before?

Noelle, yes.

Question, all right.

And some, at least some of them,

would you say the majority were not done or were done?

Noelle, on the ninth, majority was done.

Question, you believe the majority.

Now, I know we're doing estimates

because you don't know exactly.

You think like 51%.

Noelle, I don't know.

Question, you don't know.

Noelle, no.

Question, all right.

But again, for the ones that you did do,

you're not just going down the tier.

Noelle, no.

Question, you're going down all six tiers.

Noelle, I'm doing all.

Question, you are?

Noelle, yes.

Question, this is the under oath thing.

We've got to make sure because the video is

and all that kind of stuff.

Noelle, yeah.

Question, that's your understanding?

Noelle, yes.

Question, all right.

That you're actually checking every door?

Noelle, yes.

Question.

And when you go give that one person toilet paper

or whatever, you're actually looking

at all the different doors.

Mr. Foy, can we take a break real quick?

Because I need to take a break.

Question, absolutely.

All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here.

And in the next episode dealing with the topic,

we're going to pick up where we left off.

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