Is Brian Schottenheimer LYING To Us?! | Doin’ Alright Draft Edition

0:00And we are back with a Steven Jones upset edition of the doing already podcast Oh, this is lovely Tuesday here that we got Brian bros. We're gonna go back before we got some questions. Brian got four I got two Tomorrow we're gonna get back on our regular schedule breakdown quarterbacks. Hey y'all let me tell you something This is a all-32 production. Yeah, so if you're a cowboy fan you ain't interested in play out in in Quarterback talk play along, but we will cover all topics like you know We're gonna break down our players, but we're still gonna break down cowboy stuff man, uh, so We could keep it rolling. Let's concentrate What was that? So yeah, we gonna we gonna get right back to you know cowboy stuff like we're not getting away from cowboys Just you know cuz we talking quarterbacks most cowboy fans don't want to hear quarterback talk right now But there may be a dolphins fan. There may be somebody else that want to hear about him So we will break those guys down Brian. We got some content yesterday. Yeah Um, the owners meeting stuff was going on. Yeah going on there

1:01Competition committee and all that they're all meeting there in Arizona. Yeah Coaches came together took a school picture. I always take a school picture. Yeah, whatever Whatever you need that used to be belled check never showed up for the school picture I think I would be that guy. I don't like carrying on. Yeah, what does that's my mom and grandma cuz I don't like all that carrying on All right guys smile like what are we doing here? You know, I'm talking. What are we doing? So if if I'm building check, I feel you It's it's funny because Andy Reid usually sits in the middle of the school picture with like this big Hawaiian shirt on So Andy Andy kind of makes a little bit Andy worst of big Hawaiian shirt though. He don't care about that. He didn't care about that He's Andy Reid. He's Andy Reid. Uh, but we did get Brian Shidenheimer. Yeah, 30-minute stuff. Yeah I got some stuff. I know you got some stuff if you if you're gonna touch on the foot of the most part Then I'll leave mine out of here. Okay, uh, and then Stephen Jones. Yeah, called a little attitude after one question I might touch on that if uh if a branding guy to be he offer some of his

2:03Commentary yesterday on just you know cowboy matters Brian Go ahead and lead us off man. What you got for us? Fauci Brian Shidenheimer. I got a couple things from Brian Shidenheimer yesterday and I want to ask you this. I'm gonna read a quote Drafting pure is that a hollow phrase or is that who they are now? Hmm Is that and I say that and again, I circle back with it. I'm trying to I just kind of threw it out there But he uses the word drafting pure You and I know what drafting pure means This is something that always hasn't been something for the Dallas Cowboys. Take the best guy hollow phrase coming from Brian Shidenheimer is this who they really are now or going to be Brian brought us I think teams learn from other teams mistakes. Yeah We'll never see another Herschel Walker deal because it look crazy. Yeah, we'll never see like certain stuff. We just man. You're not going to send

3:08These picks for this kind of you know just William's back of the day. You know um People watch the Raiders draft like the Darius Hayward Bays of the world and we don't go eye man We we can't let a combine big take you know. I'm saying. I think I think I think people learn learn from mistakes all the time I think people also learn from good trends as well So if I would have to assume Brian the Cowboys have enough history of their own history To where they have a list of what taking the best player regardless of position Regardless of what you need They have cowboy examples of what taking the best player regardless of need looks like Unfortunately, Brian they also have cowboy examples of what it looks like if you reach a little bit Brian they got cowboy examples of what happens if the coach gets to involve Brian Put me on for please They have cowboy examples of what drafting hurt people look like

4:13Not all of a sudden Brian Not all of a sudden Yeah, we don't want red shirt guys this year. I wonder why yeah, I wonder why It's probably because you learned your lesson throughout the years that a man we trying to do some red shirt they're gonna work So let's not overdraft let's not let the coaches get to to to involve Let's hear these guys. I remember last year The big talking point was leadership and do the love ball. Yeah, yeah Everybody said you could tell what unanimous talking points are when you when you listen to eight different people talk and they all saying the same thing Steven Jones all yeah, this guy's a leader man, you know, don't have this rug revel book or hey they all leaders Captains captain captain's football captains, Brian. Yeah, they learn from Mazzie man. Yeah, they learn from Mazzie I think they've learned from the Tristan Hill stuff I think they've learned from the the Jalen Smith type stuff. They might be learning from the dick stuff, Brian

5:16Well, no, you know, I'm saying like character may matter a little bit more to them now, Brian So when they say we want to take the best players. We want leaders We want characters. It sound crazy when Jason Garrison said the right kind of guys He wasn't wrong. You just got to pick the good players amongst the right kind of dudes Of course, so if I had to assume I think they they're legitimately going Amen, we need defense But let's not get crazy if one of these guys on the board Yeah, you feel me yeah, so yeah, I think that's that's just that's just who they are right now the I think that when you look at them And I love what you're talking about with the examples and I wonder if this is the influence of with Brian shot and heimer And Maybe some of the ridiculousness he saw on your mic McCarthy You know when it came to drafting That he just said listen, I would never do it this way But I do appreciate the fact that he is considering these things sure if it's if if in fact everything you said is absolutely true if the

6:22The Tristan Hills the Mazzie Smith I think Mazzie was a big one for oh Mazzie that's the first round pick that they had faithing Mazzie Mazzie hit him in the core Yeah, Mazzie hit him in the core So yeah, I I do I do think there is I think there's something you could always learn from working these drafts There's things that you can guidelines you can follow it It's not every draft's different in the way it flows But there's certain base things certain base elements to the draft Did you have to follow you were talking about we were doing quarterbacks yesterday and talking about the parcels rules Those are absolutely great guidelines to follow yeah, because there's a track record. There's a history there of that And there's a there's a track record of history of the Dallas Cowboys here drafting recently Where they have they have fallen in some areas I get to figure out this middle of the draft stuff for sure. They've got to figure round two three and four They've got to figure that thing out fast also two brown one more thing

7:23I wonder if they look at the James Pierce incident. Yeah, and they go First first let me say I wonder where James Pierce was on their board if he was even on it I wonder not just the Cowboys, but just what teams thought how comfortable were they with his off-the-field stuff And I definitely want to know how they feel now when they see the Falcons basically you trade it They trade up to get them they did trade it up a one this year to go get them right Now the Rams got their one right and now he's done playing football. Yeah, I bet you the character do's going to fall Even more this year than they did last yeah, I think they're a little bit more not even giving it down what round got it y'all Because we did see last year some guys we thought maybe like round three or four they failed around six or seven right Now I'm giving them his first round type way you you can be the best you can be yeah Arville Reese if you're a bad dude you're bad saying Arville Reese a bad dude just in general. It could be him if he's a bad guy right I think he falls because of what we saw from James Pearson foul

8:25Thought she is Brian Shottenheimer trying to throw us off the trail About drafting defensive help We just opened the show about talking about BPA. Yeah, which is he really mean it does he really mean it does he really mean it We're I know and we open the show talking about drafting pure But as he trying to throw us off the trail that he knows he needs defensive players And he's trying to direct it another direction that yeah, we could take offensive players. Yeah, but in real life In real life, he's kind of thinking We need more defense. Oh now if you look at the players that they've added they've added like eight of their 10 guys had been defensive players But he trying to throw us off the trail with all this talk I know we talked about the pure stuff the BPA stuff which we always think is absolutely right I just worry about this one. I don't I don't quite think he's lying Brian He ain't lying to us yet. Yeah

9:26Some people on the internet was like oh Brian Brian Shottenheimer miss he uh miss Miss directly to us like sure whatever. Yeah, let me tell you why he didn't Because when he was sitting at that little dinner table wherever there was interview on the mat He said two things Like yeah, they drafted Booker, but he did lead with you win with perimeter guys right and then he went on and talk about trenches right They were high on McMillan right if it wasn't McMillan it was Booker if it wasn't Booker. It was Walter Nolan right I believe that Mike L. Wies was in that list somewhere I don't think Shotty Lies was no I think I think where you're drafting It doesn't really matter if you're so he's not a throw you off the trail guy I don't think so see that's what I'm kind of getting at I wonder if he's just trying to kind of throw us into another direction I think I don't think he's gonna tell you exactly what direction that they're thinking right But he basically says some I think it's common sense yeah

10:28If you a sound minded individual, I think it makes sense to you like hey man look man We got to do we got to do on on defense However, you remember when he when he he was like there's a line And there's guys over the line then there's guys under the line If I had to guess what that means and what he was saying was the players that they put over the line are like guarantee snappy things We we'll take those guys right the guys that are under the line. They need they need to like we need to talk about Talk about this. Yeah, it just requires a little more discussion basically I think the the big six-owned defense are on top of the line. Yeah I think and I don't even think all offensive players qualify for this I think Jeremiah loves in that conversation I think Malino is in that conversation. I don't think panel is yeah And whoever their favorite receiver I would imagine has to be in that conversation somewhere Yeah, so I would say I would say I would say that I'd say you were absolutely right about this three. I I believe that

11:28And I love your assessment of shot number. I don't think he's lying to you I don't think he is I think Brian Shottenheimer I think he's trying to lead you in a way to like listen. This is the way that we could go It's very reminiscent and I'll put myself in this in his shoes in 1998, you know In a in a press conference getting ready for the 98 draft The guys like Sal Palantonio and those guys in Philadelphia are asking me questions And I looked at those guys. I said you've seen this team You guys know what this team needs. There's no secret to that So to me, you know, it's it's it was my way of saying listen. I'm not trying to Be S she here I'm trying to tell you you guys watch these games. You know the issues that we have you know the problems that we have So to me, I think that Brian Shottenheimer and I admire him for this. I think he is telling you the truth Yeah, I don't think he's I don't think he's Be S and you in any way or trying to throw you off

12:29I wanted to ask the question in a way is he one of those guys some of these coaches try to do that I don't think he's one of those guys. I think drafting at 12 I don't I don't think it's a reason to try to misdirect anybody. Yeah, you know like if you're The Browns or something. Yeah, you've already told people that you kind of want to trade back But you've also told I mean, but people also know that you need offensive line. Yeah, you need receiver You could go on defense if I'm the Browns. I think it benefits to be ambiguous Because there are teams behind you that'll still benefit from the Browns could either take the take the best offensive player on the board But they could also take a defender from you. Yeah, so if I'm the Browns I like mm-hmm it might be in the Browns is advanced to life like hey y'all I would trade back But I'm also comfortable sticking here and picking yeah, and it could be a defender Them lying like that could make the Cowboys go all right the Browns could pick a defender Let's trade the pick with them right and you're saying maybe in the top eight you're more likely to

13:34If I'm the Cowboys not about to give a shit what I'm what I'm taking right if I'm the Cowboys Because we're at the end of the first round grades right anyway. Yeah, so if I'm a team behind me Rams, you know, whoever vikas coach. I'm sitting up here like all right, well Are you gonna reach on somebody that's not a first round grader player? I don't care what you're saying to me. I care more so about what you gonna do right and then once I figure out what you're gonna do I can just go from there, but I don't care what you man you come out and say all if Rubin Bane is there will take him of course you would right If sunny styles is Caleb Downs is there you'll take of course you would yeah, but the Giants come out and say oh, we gonna take sunny styles Then somebody behind them get to go. Oh, wait. Yeah, we gotta go. Yeah, we're running back might be the algorithm We gotta go to Tennessee. Yeah, I'm gonna give a shit what a cowboys. I'm exactly I'm gonna read you another quote. Oh, yeah This is Steven Jones Made some runs at top tier linebackers, but couldn't get the deals over the finish line. Mm-hmm. Why?

14:39Shady also said I don't know if he said it in the NFL network spite that he did Or it was like something like he's done like three interviews. He was on ESPN too. I think Yeah, yeah, but he was basically saying We missed out on linebackers because some some teammates wanted some old teammates just wanted to play together right I guess he's talking about Dean and Walker I feel what they saying at the end of the day. This is a results-based business And if I want quay walker and I need linebacker bad enough I'll say well as extra however much million worth yeah not playing with your teammate or whatever it's something you can do But they just missed out on those guys. I believe them because you know, the you know I tell cowboy fans all the time just because we want somebody to play for us. They don't have to come play for the cowboys Right, they could take less money and play somewhere else. It's you know, it's their decision but Steven Jones said something interesting Couple of about a month ago I commented on it and I came here and said I don't know if I came here and said I said on on my YouTube for sure

15:44Steven Jones was like If there's if there's a great need Then they'll attack it aggressively In the past if they haven't attacked it Like four like four blown attacked it. They thought they were good there So they didn't attack it. They was wrong But they thought they were good there. So they didn't attack it But generally when the cowboys unanimously are bad somewhere they attack it I do agree with them there So I think they unanimously agreed that they're a bad and linebacker Shady came out and said it Steven couldn't you know came out and said if Jerry was talking I'm sure Jerry to you So with that being said that makes me feel better that they acknowledge that they're bad and linebacker I would feel real bad If they went there as I didn't say tomorrow change got to step up Sure, I feel and Steven Jones has said that yeah, but Hoko got a step up. He said saying Williams got a step up Steven Jones will tell you when he feel like people got a step up I think they know linebackers are pretty important need and I think they're gonna go and look for linebackers

16:47It could be after the draft. Yeah, I don't know when could be before I don't know could be tomorrow Yeah, but I do think that they're gonna end up working to look for linebacks. Yeah, I just wonder by like you said if If they made a run at some of the top guys that would worry me a little bit that you don't get it done That you didn't you didn't did you not have the stomach to do it? You know, I could get somebody wanting to go play with a teammate and all that but Is it your job to try and sway one of these guys? Yeah to try and you like listen Hey, okay, we got we get it you want to go back and play with the Georgia teammate fine But you know what man? We got your coach here You know, we got it. We're building something here. You've seen what we've done You you competed against them. I'm talking to Kobe Dean We've you've competed against this twice a year. You understand what we're trying to do here. You got your coach here What's it gonna take? Did Dallas just like say when they when they you know When they when that happened did they just say they just roll over and say okay? We're good here then

17:50We're good See that that that bothers me a little bit that bothers me Because if you're going after top tier guys go get top tier guys You've bought them fish for a long time here this football team If you're if you're going to play in that pool if you're going to go swim in that pool go swim down in the deep end But by God don't go just give up You know go see okay If if all of a sudden Kobe Dean comes out and says listen Dallas made it really hard on me, but I'm gonna go to the Raiders You know, I want to know if if I want agents to know That if you're dealing with me I'm willing to step up if I have to But if you know if you to me it seems like you just said oh okay cool How committed are they they talk about how committed are you if you're just gonna allow that to happen And it's still a position of need and my next question for you too when we get to it real fast

18:52Yeah, I think it might be a blessing that those dudes didn't didn't sign with you You're saying that you're saying that they're reasoning. I don't think Dallas was really committed to going to get into Kobe Dean then I don't I don't think they were all in on Dean. I think Dean was one of their options. Yeah, but I kind of liked the fact that they weren't all in on them I'll give an example. Okay, the cowboys weren't all in on Portland sudden last year Imagine if they were and you miss out on pickens then you're not as good Why receiver was an emergency? You went into the draft with why receiver as an emergency. Yeah, and you were gonna draft Mcmillan. Yeah, I can make a argument It's a blessing you missed on Mcmillan me. Okay, let me let me add and I like Mcmillan. Oh, I'm with you But pickens is an M effort and I think pickens is better than Mcmillan and sudden This is a terrible thing to think about a team sure

19:54This is team fall into players. Yeah, despite but yeah, they fall into Tony robo Waterbex was accident follow fall into I tell you Williams when they tell me Jamil showers is Jamil showers is Dak Prescott They try they best They fall into players they they get lucky look I imagine and you know this better than me because you're an ex-player personnel guy in real life You have to get lucky sometimes. Oh hell yeah, you do, but you get lucky on your best players C.D. Lambo he's supposed to make it to 17. No, he both make it 17. No They definitely get lucky brad. They've got We've got scary driven on dex failed a 50 fold out He's just 60 I think 60 yeah, yeah, he's supposed to be that look it out He's supposed to be that look mean they got lucky on Prescott. They got lucky on romo Maybe I was with the romo thing. We honestly. Yeah, we just yeah Sean Payton. I give Sean Payton the credit for that one Is it is it shot? It's good to be lucky, but damn like they got every

20:57That's player you got they got lucky with shoddy bran They got lucky with shoddy Think so I wasn't fooling with that shoddy big man Watching shoddy now I respect the more as a head coach now Yeah, and I would love to see what he looks like with a defense that ain't just flopping around they were supposed to They had an opportunity to talk to Ben Johnson and variable yeah Man, I'm just they had an opportunity to talk to those guys. They just chose not to talk to those I wouldn't like in your coach kids I wouldn't like your coach kids Chicago and I wouldn't like your coach kids Carolina and I wouldn't like in your coach against Arizona You tell my shot in them. Yeah, well, I feel you bran, but you know when your defense is terribly kind of Defense is terrible. I think they worse. I ain't got a word for for worse. Let me let me look up a word worse than terrible Word hideous What excuse me hideious okay, like like no, that's like that's like a woman. You don't like you know, I'm talking about like a word worst word worse than

21:58Yeah, atrocious appalling abysmal horrendous catastrophic is what your damn defense was Violent tool is what we'll still call it this if you if you have a better defense, you don't lose those games, right? I'm positive. Yeah, I'm positive I had coach need to step up though though, right? What's your name step up man? man, let me tell you something Hey, he had it Jerry's telling us he had something to do with that defensive coordinator I think I man, I I appreciate your I appreciate your I gotta ask you now if we're in camp, right? Yeah, we were if we in camp At the frickin movava In his suites resort. Yeah, that's your home away from home. It's him. It's that man you will right if we in camp and I go bran Yeah, got a fresh your head coach That coming on. I was hoping No, it's about on hold on because I got some extra for you at nine games cool nine games you got

22:59That coming back from his from his hit being told off his lead. Yeah, a first-year head coach Yeah, if I were to told you bran. I got a crystal ball. You got the worst defense in the league You got a historically worst defense. How many games do you say that they win? Historically worst defense Six or seven. That's a lie because you said you just said to me they were to win nine games I've just said that the defense is gonna be decent. I'm just saying. I think you're I I'm I'm still holding judgments on shot. I'm not even capable for shotty Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, because the cowboy should have called Ben Johnson Yeah, that's I'm saying like a real a real search the cowboy should have shot even in their shotty When in their fight for his job, they should he's like hey, I'm interested in being the OC here. Oh, it's to be in the head coach They should have called Ben Johnson. They should have called variable. They should they should have had a better Especially because I know for a fact for able would have coached here in a heart. He was interested. Yeah They should have had a better plan for how they was going to do defense or whatever

24:01But but bravo helped the defense 1000% but what I'm saying is the offense isn't any good I don't know telling but what I'm saying is if you in charge of the offense. Yeah Per what you was given yeah dog shotty did the best that he fucking that's admirable That's admirable. Did shotty really do the best he could When it came down to teams taking George pickens out of games at the end He probably could have been better there. Okay, but Brian if they're taking George pick I love With George pickens did I love because because I'm an offensive coach by trade or whatever right. Yeah, they take pickens away. They did What's your Counter to that I'm asking Brian bro. What's your counter to them taking pickens away Need to be CD or somebody else need to step up. So how about this bro? Let me say this. Let me just say if they that's probably a terrible answer No, that's cool if they're doubling pickens and bracketing lamb my next response is to run the football Yeah, that's my response right

25:01It's the problem. You can't run the football when jacobra set ain't planting. Yeah A lot of this shit could have been fixed by running the football You can't run the football when JJ McCarthy ain't planting. Yeah, that makes sense You how many how many times did we that we come up in here and say man We ran the ball good Broncos we ran the ball good early. Yeah But Javonte got stripped away the power of black panther got stripped away Because the because bone next ain't putting. Yeah, that's what I'm saying So if I'm shoddy half my playbook goes away Play action stops working If I'm down by the the best thing that they do is play action. I ain't fussing at you. We don't know. I don't know The best thing you do is play action. Yeah, I can't play action down by 30. Yeah, cuz the run game don't exist Cuz JJ I dropped some shit cuz JJ McCarthy ain't planting. Yeah All right, so yeah, Brian Shidenheimer ain't

26:05Uh Vrable and he's not Ben Johnson. Yeah, I don't even know if shoddy's a top 10 look how good count different those teams look with those coaches Those defenses are much better than what we had They're offense either with offenses any better. It don't matter because it is it's those offenses in my opinion. Yeah Go to shit if JJ McCarthy ain't putting Yeah, Kayla Williams luckily for him didn't have to go out there and shoot it out with with many people. Yeah Drake made didn't have to go out there and shoot it out with me. I know he was an MVP race, but if that It goes back to me and my whole it goes back to me in this whole How you hire coaches you saw what happened to drag me guy walks the guy walks on a guy walks into the office and goes Hey, whoever you're hired is head coach. I'd sure like the opportunity to be the OC. Yeah. Oh, well, I think you want to be the head coach now That's just me. I listen. I am I hope I hope I hope that things I hope that this whole thing with with the defense works out and stuff like that

27:14But I'm not ruling I'm not willing yet to say you know, I feel really good about shoddy. I just don't want to be so disingenuous That in the regular season. I'm going damn dog. We lost this game by one position. Yeah with the worst defense I've ever seen And now we know that the Bears and Panthers are play all teams. We didn't notice at the time. Yeah, but you got to win those games then you have to win those That's a little bit different if you're playing a week if you're playing a week three and you're losing to the Bears who are o and two and looked awful You have to win those games, but what I'm saying is If I want to say Bill who's a who's a if Andy Reed is here. Yeah, if Andy Reed is the is the damn head coach offensive play call And you can't get a stop on Bryce young. It don't matter. Yeah, and that's Bryce young Look at looking back at a brand in retrospect bad. We didn't we didn't play great quarterbacks this year. No, we didn't play a ton of great quarterbacks this year

28:14Joy and love look like a regular do all year 400 yards against us though Russell Wilson. Yeah, right loss his job immediately. Yeah Bryce young JJ McCarthy Look shotty look shotty could be a terrible head coach. I don't know But I don't think this shit was this fault. Yeah, I don't think this shit was this fault And if you tell me your head coach won seven games with the worst defense in the league I think that's worth running the back with a little bit of optimism. That's what I think yeah I just like no, no, I I appreciate the fight anyway if it was a fight I just to me like I I'm more I'm more in the camp of Let me see. Mm-hmm. Let me see You know, let me see I I am I am to the point where like I said I The frontoff is you know me I hate I hate the process of what they do now. I will say this the process of hiring the defensive coordinator

29:19Okay, but maybe maybe that's maybe that's something completely different But I just wish that that they would have talked to I wish they would have found a way to talk to variable or Ben Johnson or anybody else that was worthy in this position And if they became to the realization that shotty was the right guy for the job Yeah, I'm totally on board. So be it. So be it How about this one? Yeah, we mentioned this at the okay I want to say this one. I got two questions. So I think we got time for this. We got time um Fix the linebacker hole Or nickel hole Which do you have more confidence that they will do? I think they'll find a nickel easier Um, and I think it's clear that they're not looking for a nickel corner Which is interesting see I argued I argued with chef this morning

30:21I argued with chef this morning and I argued with the I took the stance that I'm not completely confident in the health of bland Okay, and I do have in listen. I don't want to believe that I have questions or rebel because I I think he's I think he could be a tremendous player But I wonder now I wonder now with what you've done at safety Should you be looking for a guy that could play outside but also play inside And you you could tell me well wait a minute. We you know, we we got Bryant We got we they state now they signed some guys But I wonder if now instead of getting that hybrid player and I love the hybrid player trust me I love the hybrid player you hate position flicks, which is the same thing. I do hate see when they're when they're good They're hybrid players. Yeah, but when they're bad, they're tween. I worry. I worry about an outside corner If something were to happen and I don't know if they have and that's why to me

31:25If you told me at 12 And let's I got downs in the first round of my style. I've just saved from a cowboy perspective Do you try do you try to find the guy who can play the corner and play nickel as opposed to I don't think you want downs If something were to happen to you've something were happened to bland. I don't think you're playing Downs on the outside. I don't think you're playing I don't think you're playing them in on the outside. I don't think you're playing McNeil Warren or Wheatley Maybe stooks. You know how I look at it, Brian I think in this defense Those two positions are totally different from each other. Yeah Just like Roshan Gary can play next to Otito, Obanya. They can play next to each other. Sure But I think their jobs are so different That there won't be in this system, Brian I don't think there's going to be flex to where an outside linebacker

32:25Steps up and plays for us sometimes and then sometimes get back up and go play outside linebacker I think it's it's different jobs if you before I got you might play three takes sometimes right but I don't think That The nickel and the outside dues are going to be doing the same thing And I and I save that because Kobe Durant is 511. I haven't seen Kobe Durant play inside. He's an outside guy He's now. He's like bona fide outside. Yeah at 511. Yeah And Shady came on told you yesterday. We don't vision bland as a nickel guy. Yeah They want bland playing outside right? So in my mind the nickel dude is closer They have to be a safety the nickel dude is going to be closer to Jalen Thompson Right But that's what you sign Jalen Thompson right The good thing about Jalen Thompson is that he plays multiple spots right and I think Christian Parker wants to be so multiple in his his Attack or whatever right that he would want multiple dudes to play this is we this is where you taught me about redundancy for sure

33:31Maybe we have to rethink that in this game. Yeah, because Everybody in my mind going to have two jobs. Yeah, let's just look at our boring real fans Right, let me just put my boring real fans right All these guys I have listed as safety right Their first and their second job ain't going to be the same as the other guy And we've kind of done as excited before, but yeah, you remember me right? Downs can play everything he can Thinamin is a one is a high safety that could probably play nickel sometime sure weekly is a free safety That can walk over and man cover nickel sometimes right McNeil Warren is a strong safety. Uh-huh. That's probably going to do some linebackery things But it'll probably play some free sometimes But Clark He's either going to be high free high strong Halsey strong. He might just be all strong. And here's our cat Jeff thinks Jeff thinks talking to cabinet Jeff thinks it Halsey is like a free safety guy I don't think he has the range to do it. Yeah, I agree with you on that Kyle Lewis is fascinating. Yeah

34:35Because he's a saying that's a projection projection projecting So all these guys going to have multiple jobs What I went when I hear Christian Parker or Shady talk about who the nickel corner is I think that dude is primary job Nickel secondary job safety And I think the dude that they're looking for in the draft is probably going to be alone those same lines I think they're going to want their outside corner to be a whole another dude. Yeah That's what that's what I'm trying to like if I'm picking one at 12. Yeah, I want the outside corner to be a dude Because the jobs are different. Yeah, because your outside corner You may not expect him to come up in the run game like a linebacker, right? You know what I'm saying? And those jobs are different So you may need a bigger guy at nickel to come up and maybe get like Crack block by like a outside guy and a cornerback your job is like stay wide and Funnel everything inside those are two different run game responsibilities

35:35So I think the nickel is closer to a safety than he is outside guy So you believe that you believe at Okay, I think guys like Chandler rivers ain't even on the board Cuz I think guys like ponds ain't even on the board because of their their lack of height because of size because of size Size and if they're gonna be playing inside They would probably need to be bigger to play inside And I would imagine that they want their outside guy to be linked here. Brian is a smaller guy Who the corner go to rent or Durant. I'm sorry Durant. I said Brian Durant. He's a smaller guy, but if he fits from the Maybe it's the situation where Christian Parker guy to like pick his you know pick his battles. Yeah, yeah Pick his battles Kobe Durant is as smart as I need him to be yeah He ain't as tall in as long as I want right, but he can execute my scheme right now as a bridge guy one year guy As a bridge guy at least till I figure out what we're gonna do Maybe his ideal dude is to have somebody six one that could do that job. Yeah

36:39But it's slim pickers out here. So I gotta have a five eleven guy to do it. You know what I mean? I think they're gonna Draft the guys that they want ideally. I think the free agent dudes Are just here for now Except for Rashad here because they put six dead six day years on his contrary. Yeah, I think he's he's different But somebody's other guys. I think um Jonathan Bullard is an example of what they looking for. I think it is I think he's an example of what they looking for So this year Oh, Tito oh, oh, oh, oh, bye. Yeah He might be playing some Four tech or something But I don't think to do that they want to play four tech gonna look like that But oh Tito can do it this year. So what haven't do it sure Bullard can do it this year. So we'll just have him do it. You know what I'm saying the Is the is the safety high or say okay is the hybrid player At 12 a possibility for you If it's any okay is it if it's anybody other than down. I don't think so

37:42The hybrid player for you then is at 20 2092 and 114 and my personal opinion. Yeah, I think those those do's kind of so you feel like that could stretch a little bit then Okay, I think you find those guys um I have let me just get you an example here. So Genesis and Fitzgera are like roof guys, but yeah, the nickel guys Kilgore Jacobi Thomas from Miami. Yeah, I got Rams from USC. You might have him a little higher. I do have him a little higher I'm in the third Strongman's not gonna cover as much but he's he's a decent run run down guy um They're extra so I'm not gonna scroll down. Yeah, I think you would be really lucky To get Kyle Lewis at 92 or once well. I I would say I think he'd be gone But I'm having a part if you can get that dude. I would if if he was there at 92 Please please hand that card in Kyle Lewis or help or how a perk is for you

38:45I love both players hey around for me I'll take Lewis. I got him stack. Let me see. I got him. I should have him stack. Let's see. Yeah Kyle Lewis right there. Yeah, Lewis is at 61 for me. Yeah, and Perkins I got I got I got a high four on Perkins maybe. Yeah, yeah, but you're talking about that. Yeah Control. I think I actually had him in the third myself. Okay, here we go. I got Kyle Okay, so they're right there. I got Kyle Lewis at 61. I got Perkins at 66. Yeah You got him right there. Yeah, they they're right in that same range last question for you for the day. Please I'm shocked you haven't asked one particular question yet about what the head coach said But I'm willing to listen what you got to say all right You can circle back to it unless you're going to get to it now. I'm shocked you ain't talk about Tyler Gaiden yet I Kind of know what Tyler Gaiden is because you've been a little critical about him I've been very critical of Tyler Gaiden so when the head coach come out and talk about hey Tyler guy I didn't want to be I didn't want to go I didn't want to go down that that path because I got yeah, I guess I

39:49I Listen, I I'm worried about Tyler Gaiden. Yeah, I feel you My office is why me can't be getting hurt. I can't have good training camp and in week two get high ankle spray and be gone for six weeks And I know what injuries happen and I'm being critical and all that I'm a little I'm a little concerned with Tyler Gaiden. That's totally fair. I mean Tyler Booker Tyler Booker lined up and Tyler Booker got hurt in the In the Chicago game. He missed some time too right back. So whooping ass though, but that's why I like high floor guys Over high ceiling guys the problem with the ceiling guys were the upside guys. I don't know when the upside going click I don't know when is going to hit The idea of drafting guidance that one day guidance could be the best player on his offensive line with some work is Is my concern of with guidance? Is that wrong? No, you just you just haven't seen the chip But I have a problem with those same kind of guys I don't like dudes that take a whole bunch of work before they start playing A whole bunch of coaching improvement before they start playing. I'm not a big fan of that

40:49I want to do that with ass now So the idea I'm talking to y'all now with the idea of the high ceiling player is that one day you you gonna love this Put us on the double please the the idea of the high ceiling guy is that one day Tyler Gaiton could be the best player on his offensive line Booker was the best player in his offensive line in there to see what he really was what he really was I take a half floor every time I will I will say this I you were absolutely right about booker Yeah, and you were absolutely right about guidance and but I saw so much improvement with gait and I was happy for him But I worry about him and I were you know I'm not I'm not gonna give the old Oh, I just football important to him because I think it's important to him But man, I need to see I need to I need him to line up for 17 weeks I don't need to him to miss and it seems like every time it's still two steps forward one step back with him I I'm hopeful. I am really hopeful by question for you and this is a quote from Stephen Jones

41:52At the end of the day, I think we improved our football team in the quote What you thoughts about that I do think What Was gonna dictate how good this team is is the leap that your defense makes yeah I do think coaching is a humongous part of that we gotta see you said that all day today We gotta see it but coaching is a humongous part of it. Yeah I Love what the cowboys are doing by eliminating the floor what I mean is how bad they could be right When Dan Quinn was here you either got the best the best defense under league or the worst defensive league right with the week I said on my show yesterday you may not be great at anything But how they're putting this roster together seems like they're not gonna be bad at anything You know what I'm saying you may not be in elite coverage units you may not be in the lead passage unit But I don't think James Cook gonna put up 250 on you with this with this crew that you have right now sure

42:55I can respect that you did get better. There's a ton of room to grow. There's a ton more room to go And I don't want Stephen Jones to come out here and be like oh yeah, we're much better I don't want Stephen Jones being comfortable like that. Yeah, I think we should still put pressure on them by coming on these platforms You going on the radio station that that's theirs Yeah me going on the podcast platform over there and continuing to put pressure on like I mean I feel but I ain't enough Steve I I want to believe. Yeah, I want to believe I will feel a lot better What's I see what this draft is if they send a pick and Jordan Brooks is on this right. Yeah There you go prior to the draft. There you go. I feel real good. Yeah Go out if you somehow you go out and you get Brooks Grinard, you know, if you go out there and aggressively and you know something you know right now What is the calendar flips to April? Yeah, what's gonna happen is these teams are gonna go back the pro days I think we got Tennessee pro day today. That'll be huge for McCoy

43:56Huge for McCoy I think Indiana's pro day is tomorrow. That's the last one. And then we've got we've got Jordan Tyson working out September 17th Right before the draft. I mean, this is that's a that's a that's a tough one. I appreciate the kid trying to do that But these teams are going to now go back to the facilities and they're going to start to put this thing together You're going to start to see the board. I think they've gotten better in some areas But I need more. Yeah, I need more and I think Votches. Absolutely right. I think as as Creators commentators Valuators, whatever you want to call us. We got to keep the pressure on these guys You know, and I hope that it's not Steven Jones just saying oh, we got better and we're not going to do anything else That's nonsense. They have got to find way they've got to add some more pieces this thing and not just through the draft You know, Shady was talking about yesterday at Jerry Jones. Yeah, he's not afraid to make a deal

44:56Well, Shady push him for that push him to make a deal push him to make a couple of deals if you have to Because this this team still has some questions where they're at And until they address those, you know, Votches offense is going to have to carry the day I think defensively they've gotten better in some areas But there's still probably three players away I think from being a much better defense. Yeah, for sure K club Nick quarterback Clemson drew Aller quarterback Penn State aller aller yeah through aller quarterback Penn State Jalen Daniels I always look up the name or I always listen to him to say the name is what I don't go there for I say hi look Uh, I sound to shit out. Yeah, I got time Jalen Daniels quarterback from Kansas and tailing green quarterback from Arkansas those are the guys we're going to be breaking down tomorrow See, I'll be sure you do your homework on that study real nice. We're gonna come up in here This draft thing is kind of like a like a book club for us. You know, I'm saying Yeah, like we read some chapters and we show up and talk about it. That's what we do here

45:59So those are those are all got next year We're gonna like make big announcements on long going Twitter But hey this one being Brian talking about these guys Well, you know, it's it's interesting the whole thing about it is and this is what I appreciate about our channel and what we do I I love to go in and read the comments. I think people do appreciate it's talking about fourth fifth round guys Yeah, of course. I mean, I think that to me is if you're a real fan of the draft You know, the fact that we're willing to sit down and treat It's tough. I mean, it's it's a lot easier watching first round guys trust me But if you go through and you have to do the work we're doing on quarterbacks whether I was trying to explain to the people on the radio yesterday It was you got to go back to maybe 24 tape, you know, maybe a guy switched teams you got to you got to do the work on these guys So I think people do appreciate that that we're able to kind of go the extra mile that way I answer to what makes this uh Wix our program is uh program so good. Well because our audience watches players and they do they absolutely do and I think they're very educated that way And I think they can appreciate that we're not just blowing smoke out your ass, you know, I'm saying like we

47:05We show up and we're on these big platforms radio.com here and we say hey, we've done the work But it's not like we're hiding the work that we're doing yeah anybody can come out and be like hey, we've watched 200 players We kind of talk about all these guys. Yeah, and we talk about them for like five or 10 minutes and we break them down We debate we back and forth on it and people seeing real time was moving guys up and down our board and then they could follow our boards Yeah, so um, I got something for you to did it just came across real quick The Terrell times okay, those were two forties. He ran twice avian terrell from Clemson at his podium Yeah, we're six three four six eight and then he called it a day I feel like he was a little fast on film. Yeah, I felt like he was a lot faster on film Was he hurt? He evidently he shut it down afterwards. He said something was dealing with his hamstring But my guy who was a Clemson said that he ran twice Maybe he'll fall to us these corners. It's weird. I know we're trying to close the show But it's really but it's really it's really strange what's going on with these corners right now

48:09You know with the situation with McCoy And in the situation now with Terrell you're talking about two guys that if you're in your in your window of 15 I know in my window of 15 McCoy and Terrell are both in that window And so now if you're starting to eliminate defensive players I think Terrell when you watch the tape is really good. Yeah, I mean I have obviously have a first round grade on the guy But now you wonder is something this is something that's going to be a lingering thing But man, he played a lot faster. I don't think that was a problem in Clemson Maybe there's something he's been dealing with But man, I hate when I hate when you start to work on a draft and trying to put a guy together Is there something that is something that happened? You know, you'd love the clean player We love what Delane was able to do again. We'll see what McCoy does Hopefully he'll run a 40 today. I don't know if he will I have a feeling you're going to see some positional drills though And I hope he's running moving around better than 80% like he was on that clip. I hope McCoy does everything He needs to do everything Um, that got us right. Yeah, yeah, we go we go

49:10uh Amen, if y'all want to know where to find anything Hey, Vash, I was looking for like I can't find it. Hey, I'm I would love to Buy a shirt. I would love to watch y'all clips. I would love to listen to the audio Where can I find it? It's all on crown glove media.com. It's all curated and it's a gorgeous website So y'all go over there, you know, check it out Whatever you looking for it's put together nicely. It's all in tabs and all that and we appreciate y'all for clicking on the website Supporting us getting merch and all that and I will let y'all to piece them. Okay, we'll be here tomorrow to talk about these Quarterbacks and any other case. We're definitely going to talk about Jermon McCoy's pro day tomorrow. Absolutely. Yeah, I'll get the update on that and then we'll get into our um our quarterback breakdowns And we'll do it again. All right crown