Is Eternity Too Damn Long?

Snickers bar king size. Yes. Flip it over servings for container 27. Oh, right. Yeah, 27. Yeah, enjoy your nibble. Right three serving size

That's not okay. I mean, I hand-held

candy bar

Well first, okay, you've actually stumbled into two

With the Snickers example. There are there are two so boxes here one

Fun size is the least fun size. Yeah, yeah, it's just true king size should be fun size because if I'm having a candy bar

Yeah, I want a candy bar. Yeah, I don't want you know, the illusion to a candy bar

The preview of a candy bar without the coming attraction. Yeah, so just you know go ahead and and

Bite the bullet where the bullet happens to be the candy bar

Just have it and you write the fun size is like smaller than like the Halloween candy

Minis or whatever they would call them. Yeah, fun. Like not not fun

And also no nutrition facts on those, but is that one eighth of a serving?

I bet if you looked at the the packages that come in it's you know, of course they eat like four of them. Yeah

So but to the original point

Why is it that we in society will sell something that appears to be single serving and then it's not a single serving

And I'll take it one step further

Why is it that in a package that is not intended to be intended to be single serving is it not a receivable pack

I know that's a good point. How hard is it to put a zip lock top on the package of bacon because they know you're gonna eat

They know you're gonna eat all the candy bar. They know you're gonna eat all the bacon. Yeah, or you're gonna share it

I guess would be the other thing not sharing my big not sharing now. I will take it. I'll take it to the next level

Which this is this is my soap box on certain sizes

uh

You get a family size lasagna or something like that

And of course all right, let's let's be honest here and we're we're we're admitting we know why they're doing this

It's marketing right yes, you flip it over you see or nutritional guidance right yeah

Probably don't qualify for a wick purchase if it has a certain

Fair enough. Yeah, whatever. So they yeah, they tweak that they tweak this the uh

serving size to get the metrics to match what they want marketing wise and you write regulation wise

But come on when you get a pizza and it says five servings

Who cuts it? Who cuts a pizza into five pieces or or even ten pieces you never get an odd number

You can't you're only you're only dividing by two every time

I mean, and I've seen it look zonia

three and a half servings

You know, it's like what are we doing here? Yeah, and then the other thing

If it doesn't reach a certain threshold then they don't have to list calories. Yeah, so okay. Yeah

That was on your list. I'm gonna take tax or mustard. I was talking to my brother Dan who doesn't listen to the podcast

So I shouldn't shout him out. It doesn't yet

Uh

He doesn't

Okay, he's he heard enough of me for the first 20 years of life

But uh he was telling me I I was on a health kit. I was like oh, yeah

I'm not using mayonnaise. I'm using mustard because zero calories. He said no, these calories are mustard

It's a listen, I know you're smart

But you're not that smart because I can read and the bottle says zero

He said yeah, but look at your serving size and then consider how much more you're actually gonna be putting on your hot dog or your hamburger

Turkey sandwich because they shrink down because they shrink down that serving size. So

There it is the revelation from big mustard

You are listening to the soap box. I'm Paul and I'm here. This all started out with the list. What's that all about?

So I compiled a list over the years

It thinks it just bought things that grind my gears and I shared that list with you

And I thought you know what that would make interesting conversation

Sometimes I'm gonna want to agree with you and it's just gonna be something we talk about other times though

I'm gonna want to steal me in the opposite position because I think that's just interesting conversation

Yeah, and keep in mind. I'm always right, but Paul's just a really good to pay. Hey

I'm gonna start this one out with a quote from one of my favorite bands. It's not tool

So it's got to be a bad religion. It's bad really. Yeah

And the FCC better be ready too because eternity my friend is a long time

Okay, we're gonna have to hit the old B button. We hope we don't there's too e growl in there, but um yeah

eternity

Would would suck like living forever existing forever whatever it is and I thought maybe we'd have a little fun when we could go down the

Heaven and hell rabbit holes as they were but

I guess we should lead with we're going in completely cold here. The only thing Eric told me was we're gonna have to bleep a swear word

right otherwise

Yeah, I haven't had a chance to think about this too much, but I have actually sort of ruminated on this notion

And I thought about it in layers, right? You think about it in terms of heaven and hell and eternity and the the reality

That's being presented to you through the religious lens. Sure

And I've also thought about it as a vampire

Yeah, immortality or yeah, um, and there's an old 80s movie

I think they're gonna be redoing it. It was called death becomes her

Okay, and this had Goldie Holland and some other famous people in it where they lived forever

But they were still subject to decay and entropy and so as they continued on

their bodies would

sustain and then maintain the damage they never had the healing factor the wolverine healing factor that allowed them to exist

as young

and without flaw and that got me thinking about

this idea of

living forever

But subject to sort of the rules of of entropy or the rules of nature and I think that's where maybe you

You're touching on this idea that forever sucks. Mm-hmm. Yeah, because

you're applying a framework of mortality and

suffering and you know the problems with the human psyche and

All of the the limitations of the physical realm that we're in yeah, and I would say that

the Christian interpretation would be that

When you die this old separates from the body the body returns to the dust of the earth you've or made a new creation in heaven

You're given a new body and I would assume that includes a new brain that doesn't have all of the

neurochemical flaws and childhood traumas and

imbalances and things like that and so

I think the

The plot device the Marvel plot is a device here that makes it work is the notion that in perfection

It turned it. He doesn't suck

But then on the flip side of that if you're looking at damnation

It turned eat nothing but sucks, and so that's that's the interesting bit about it and I I feel like

Maybe what I'm gonna try to argue quite the opposite which is living in in

Nirvana perfection forever. I think would get

Old

We get boring. We get boring. I mean again setting aside that let's say there's some other

Part of this experience that I don't mean even I feel like the experience reset itself every 30 years

I mean then it'd be fantastic

Yeah, and that could be your your sign of perfection

But let me flip it on the other side and say

Um, I also feel like eternal pain and damnation and a hell would would absolutely suck sure for a while

But after a while, I mean you'd have to

You know unless they had a reset button to you'd eventually just acclimate to it and it would just be

Just another day and I'll hit you with two more than um because this is against you

You're in a domain. I have spent quite a bit of thinking and studying about

On the issue of perfect would be boring

Um, if you're approaching it from the Christian standpoint

So this this is the one I know I can't speak to the Buddhist or the you know the whatever but um

It actually talks about in scripture how we'll have work to do in heaven

Heaven's not just sitting on a cloud listening to worship music because even God agrees that Caleb is boring

He listens to rock and roll

It's just way better and and rob zombie. He probably does. He's probably like dude you are killing it

Yeah, he's up on the Dracula thing

no

so

I think there's an acknowledgement that um just sitting around doing nothing isn't productive it doesn't

Speak joy to your soul to borrow Marie condo right or Marie condo

um

Creatures that need to have a purpose in a sense of accomplishments and which is interesting because we I think we touched on that

We talked about AI and it's certainly a thought about okay when AI is just doing all the work for us

You know, we're not gonna be what do we do? Yeah, we're gonna be and that I think it's the largest

looming existential

Threat to humanity a lot of folks are worried about AI drinking the water. I think we can solve that

Using too much energy. I think we can solve that too. We're running out of data certainly. We'll solve that but

Purpose purpose. Yeah, I don't hear anybody talking about the remedy for that. No, and well, hopefully. Yeah, I will solve it

No, you don't anybody ask chat GPT. What's my purpose? What is the sound of one in clapping? Oh

So yeah, I think there's there's something to be said for perfection doesn't have to be boring

And certainly if you think about you know, and for you as an atheist, I think you'd have to borrow from my

Logic for a moment, but if you think of God as as something wonderful and not something

You know oppressive or you know something for controlling the population

But just step into the mindset of the Christian world view for a moment

God would be a creative being he made all the things we enjoy even the taboo things right we talk about

You know sex and stuff like that as being into the

Enthetical right word antithetical antithetical. Yeah, we think of it as not being

In the domain of the church and then you go read the song this all and then it's like whoa. Okay, actually

He's got that one unlocked too. So the aspects of God

Even I wanted inscriptions. This is not just the the fruit-fruive interpreting it our synonymous with what is good

Which informs kind of the counterpoint to your second argument of

being

Climateed to hell that would assume that we would have

The systems in place as we do now to sort of develop a tolerance for something

But if you peel back the very nature of the argument the idea is that

All things good come from God and all goodness in the universe is a reflection of the nature of God

and hell is not so much the demented torture place of

spiteful God

It's just the option not to choose him

And so by rejecting God fully rejecting God you also fully reject all of the things that he can bless you with

Which would include all pleasure

Comfort reason joy, you know, and those things are more explicitly outlined in Galatians love joy peace patients

Kindness goodness generalness faithfulness self-control natures of of God's Holy Spirit that are are working in people

But I think more fully if we are and

You'd have you've got your work cut out for if I ever tried to evangelize you because you'd have to overcome

both the argument of the existence of God and the argument of the existence of free will

Because there is an implication that

God created free will by creating man and would be God's unique creation

And as that unique creation we have the option to choose him or reject him

And

So hell then is the fulfillment of that rejection and all things that come from it

Yeah, I guess I still don't still don't see any room what I

Thinking about eternity

At some point I I feel like there has to be their reset button

Which then it's not eternal anymore or at some point it's just I mean

We already have the capability of doing it on earth, you know where you're

You can you have to an eight hour drive and you you know your board of it you can find ways to pass the time

I tell get an attack to

There's pain associated with it that you eventually just kind of get over

Yeah, and so but none of the things you you listed all the joys all the good things none of them

listed something of

um

Something you couldn't use in hell again, assuming you are a person still

Um, assuming it's you

I suppose if it's

Something else entirely then it would even be you feeling the pain and yeah, I mean just the the vacuum of of goodness and

All the all the good that that you espoused just I don't again. I don't see any room for

Yeah, after 20,000 years

It's not gonna matter at some point. It's got to be yeah, no

I will say a lot of theologians have really struggled with this and there have been

Famous times where

Individuals through the years have been labeled in apostate because they can't reckon with hell and

Um trying to think of

Kirk Cameron would be an example. Okay. He was really popular in Christian circles for making Christian movies

And then he kind of came out with this idea that oh, maybe hell

Isn't forever because to wrestle with the notion of eternity

It does start to weigh heavily on one. I guess for him it was the idea of God's goodness. Yeah, one and yeah

two would be um

How how long is forever? How kind of a finite being that has a beginning that understands that something existed before them

Have an infinite end and so there are there are folks that sort of have this idea that hell is

For a time and then there's gonna be an utter destruction and they sort of tried to backfill theology

With their understandings of hell

There are folks who were just outright denying hell. There's an author who was very very famous in the early 2000s

His name's Rob Bell and he came out with this whole series of these very

progressive

Ideas of God and it was kind of cool for a bit because it was like oh, you know God is love and all the stuff that people generally agree on

And then he kind of tried to erase hell

in some of his latest theologies and once again

You've got somebody that's not going to the source material

To arrive at their conclusion because they've turned it into that thought experiment with

What feels comfortable based on my moral judgments and experience and understanding of eternity

And I unfortunately I

I'm not there. I have to say okay. Well if I accept the book or accept the book cover the cover

Stuff I like and the stuff I don't like yeah

Well, and and I do like how you often go to scripture to kind of back up what you know

Which what you bring up because there are a lot of preachers on the pulpit's that well just kind of

Bring in their own opinions their own things because you know

Their flocks not fact checking and and all that I get that but I find it interesting that

It wasn't just non-existent. Well, I find it surprising that non-existence isn't enough

To to be scary, you know a lot of people fear death obviously and and I'm thinking of

not existing anymore is

Is is worse than living in heaven

Um, and maybe not as bad as hell, but still a pretty bad deal right if you if if if you

Believe in the God go to heaven good if you don't believe in the and God just stop existing. I would think that would be

Pretty good too happy medium. Well, I mean it's one I think and

Somebody please fact check me in the comments here because now I'm stepping out of my domain

but I think Catholics kind of

Had that idea with purgatory. Okay, so there was this notion of what happens to folks that are waiting to be judged

or folks that died before

the crucifixion right

and

If if you want the the best answer I can produce

because

One of the most

profound questions you should ask as an atheist and one of the most profound questions

I think that's ever been asked of me is a Christian is

If God is loving and God is fair

What happens to that kid in Papua New Guinea who lives from birth to death?

Well into his old age lived what by earthly standards would be judged as a moral and good life

Had his flaws, but overcame them and died does he burn in hell right?

And I think that's that's the question people should be talking about I agree well and

Again, you brought anyone who lived before the crucifixion right and so to the idea of who lived before the crucifixion

You know if if you accept the Bible is true cover to cover so you have to accept the whole premise not a portion of the premise

so

accepting that it is true then

God

originates history through Adam and Eve and through their entire lineage there is

The tradition of animal sacrifice as a tonement

You know, there's original sin then there's sacrifice and then the animal sacrifice

Sacrifice in a biblical context a lot of times we think of it as just like you know kill the animal put it on the altar

Set a fire walk away and your conscience is clean

But the idea of the animal sacrifice was the animal was was

Split and the the blood was laid bare

Because it was a covenant where basically said God I'm I'm making a tonement for the thing that I've done wrong

I recognize that it was wrong

May this same fate happen to me should I violate this covenant again

And so it it wasn't just to get out of hell free card because a lot of times I even in the modern day we treat

God and religion the same way Bart Simpson did I'm just gonna do whatever I want

Please myself and then at the end of it. I'm gonna pray the prayer

Yeah, and I'm gonna get my get out of hell free card and I don't think it works that way

Because when I'm thinking of my children and I'm thinking of myself as a parent if my kids

Punch each other and say sorry dad and then punch each other again. Sorry dad. Right

That's very different than if one of them accidentally hits the other one and they showed you and you went sorrow

And they go hug him and they make it right and then they move on and quit doing it

And that's the idea of repentance and that's the idea of true forgiveness

So

Scripture talks about that too. It looks at the quality of the heart

But what what what happened to the people born before the crucifixion you ended the whole animal

Yeah, so they're making this atoning sacrifice and they're basically

Repentant before God

They've got a whole tribe of people who are sort of helping to connect them with God the Levites, right?

They're the ones that are the priests in the temple

They're the ones that are accepting the sacrifice and performing the rituals

And this is this is made available to you know

To people in general and then you've got you know all the tribes that split up and the people groups that split up

And the families that split up and now you've got it God's chosen people the Israelites

You've got all the ones that sort of win a stray

And the whole narrative of the text is is the reconciliation of the tribes

But it's still it sort of it leaves that question on the answer to what happens if they're born

They live they died they aren't exposed to that message. I didn't even go back, you know

Thousands and thousands of years. I mean

I can even

Cavemen type, you know, we're no language or anything are those all in purgatory and well

So if you think that why the the folks that lived in caves or the offspring of Adam and Eve

I think they all kind of fall under the same um

Umbrella and I I think the the answer that I find the most peace in is twofold one

I think it's important to acknowledge there are certain questions that I don't know an answer for sure

It's not explicitly do that too. So yeah, if it's not explicitly outlined in the Bible, we can speculate

But we really can't say with certainty

What we do know with certainty again through the Christian lens is that, you know, Christ says in the New Testament

None come to the Father except through me

So he gives you a clear defined path. This is how you would go to heaven

This is how you have a relationship with God

But beyond that if you just look at the nature of God and you assume that God's not a tyrant that he's not evil

That he hasn't turned his back on man that he has a desire for relationship

Then you'd also have to conclude that based upon your knowledge of

Who God is and based upon your knowledge of God's goodness and his justice and the fact that his mercy and his justice are an equal measure

He's got it taken care of in some sort of way and maybe we're just not

You know, we're not part of that jury back panel discussion. We don't get to know that's not for us to decide because

One one more key point in all this and I'll shut up because I'm a monologue in a little bit, but

This this touches on that other thing that we've talked about before and that's main character syndrome

This notion that as we go through life, we are the most important entity

And I think even Christians do this, but Christians who are studied in the faith

Should take pause and say okay. Well, this is God's story not Paul's story

So the part that I play shouldn't be embellished. I shouldn't look at myself as being the most important part here

I get to play a note in this greater symphony, but I'm not the central figure

Yeah, okay

Now it's still to me and it's okay to say we don't know and it's we have to trust it

You know your God is good and he's got a plan for those folks, but I the pop a new guinea folks

I'm just thinking even in Asian cultures which you know seemingly certainly didn't didn't have a lineage through Adam and Eve

I just I think there are plenty of souls out there that

There's really no good explanation for where they

Go or even if they have the opportunity. I mean there there are folks that

You will never hear the good word and you know, I've made the argument to it's on you guys to get out there and and get to all of them

So you and pendulat I think both have said this and

I don't disagree. I think you he took it from me

When you guys are hanging out backstage you're showing them how to do a few magic tricks

Um

So I don't I don't disagree. I think there there's a sense of urgency that's lost in modern culture

But I think that has to be tempered with sanity too. I think if I were to run rim

You know screaming in the streets with the cardboard sign that's less effective than having a relationship with people

Yeah, no and you you've said that and I and and I hear you but also I just I if if I truly believed

In what you're saying

There would be very little

Need for me to

Have a career have a family. Um, I mean, I think my my goal would be to just

Fix help everyone. I mean, so the the biblical example there is actually my namesake Paul

Paul was not full-time missionary Paul Paul was a tent maker and so

There is

Example I guess in the early church in acts where folks held a vocation and also preached

They had to pay the rent they had to put food they had to have have closing. So I do I

I'm with you on the sense of urgency, but 80 years if that's what I get to long time and

Is it though?

Compared to eternity

Compared to eternity. It's not at all. Yeah, it's a drop in the bucket

And I think it's the first 80 is the longest

Well, I mean, yeah, I guess I still can't

Seem to shake the feeling that that's a pretty selfish thing to

but because all

Your purpose for your 80 years here

If it's to have a family

Kids raise them well do all this. Well, you're affecting, you know three four or five people

Whereas the selfless thing to do I think would be to not have the family because you've got eternity to to love and be with

Other family like right

Make new friends I presume so why not just spend these 80 years just kick and button just

So if you're if you're looking at it microscopically that makes perfect sense

If you're looking at that macroscopically, I think it falls apart

largest religion in the world's Christianity with over three and a half billion

People and that came about because Christianity is is

taught

Between generations generations tend to grow yeah with some sort of exponential curve

I think you could argue too that there were a lot of successful traits to it

That some other religions didn't have that failed off and sure no one talks about anymore, but yeah

And so evolution in the sense if if everybody you know the first

12 minus you're just the first 11 folks that decided to follow Jesus all have that same philosophy you'd have 11

That were dead and then the message dies

Yeah, but if they go in and they preach and they teach and they also have kids and raise them up

You know fast forward 2000 years and you've got

A population of Christians larger than probably the population of humans 2000 years prior

Yeah, but couldn't you couldn't you be more effective by just adopting a bunch of people and

Well fun fact, you know the Christians are twice as likely to foster or adopt the non-Christians

I mean, yeah, you said that to me before and you know, I mean my life was atheist and she

Is you know on the foster of view board for Lexington and I mean so for for 200% to be effective

It has to be 200% greater than zero. So yeah, yeah, your team's doing okay

I have one thought here and I want to revisit this you were talking about

The tribe in Papua New Guinea and how fair it is to them and this is more just a fun anecdote

but there's a

guy that came to Kentucky from Kenya

And he he was a buddy of mine for for a while while he was here

He was working on a PhD at Asbury ethylogical seminary

His name is Rubin Lane Gatt and

Rubin came over here as a

Second generation Christian

Where his father was the first person in his village to encounter a missionary and accept Jesus Christ

And Rubin came from a place that they called Tenwek and the reason it was called Tenwek is these missionaries back in the 1940s or 50s or whatever this happened

Hiked through the jungles and you know the the

Whatever the terrain was

For ten weeks and then they were so excited to see people

They were saying it took us ten weeks to get here and whatever the pigeon language was

Ten weeks ten weeks and they thought that that must mean that we're called Tenwek right which is adorable. Yeah, but

At this village these missionaries were talking to these people and they learned that the villagers had a tradition where if somebody had

Committed some crime against somebody else

They were ostracized from the village and they had to live outside of the protection of the village

But if after time they showed remorse

They could return to the village, but they would have to go to the river where they would take a sheep

And they would hang the sheep from a branch. They would slit its throat and they would have to bathe in its blood

And the Christians were like

This is allegory because this is baptism right you were being bathed in the blood of a lamb

After repentance and and so a lot of Christians will hear things like that and they say you know

While we don't know

Theologically with certainty what's gonna happen to somebody

This seems a whole lot like the Holy Spirit going ahead of these missionaries and preparing them to receive this more complete message

This more direct connection with the Lord

So there's kind of like a

Preview or a trailer to what's coming second of the idea? Yeah God God going ahead of people preparing

You know preparing a path for that message to be received which you know again like I can't

Point to any one scripture that's gonna say all the people that came before that are going to heaven because they were you know

God's favored children I don't know because

If I take that to its unnatural extreme then the kindest thing to do would be to never send a missionary out at all

Because if everybody's going to heaven until you hear about the option not to yeah, then mission work is sending people to hell that there's a

Book it's something like 12 arguments

For atheism or something like that and I was written by an ex Muslim who almost died at I forget what age but at some age

Once you read a search an age

I guess in the Quran

You automatically

Send

Because you're not old enough and so he was so terrified of hell that he jumped out a window to try to kill himself

Because I got him a free ticket to the good place. Yeah, and he survived obviously

And and ended up kind of down a different path, but it he was just so terrified by the idea

And you know, there are probably other religions that have similar. I'll playfully call it a loophole

Wasn't it dogma they had a

They had a loophole they were trying to expose in Catholicism, but I you know, I think the point is yeah, what you're saying is

It's it's pretty hard to argue with like

Like don't tell people about these things if they if they get kind of a

Free card, but then my question would be why you know, why isn't you know God doing this this little

What how you call it?

A little trailer or preview prepping them. What you know, why is he doing that in all

Countries and and certainly for all races that's that's the part that gets me the most the fact that you know

Religion is seemingly an accident of birth, which is you're generally speaking going to be all of the same religion of your parents

Right, which means it makes it pretty regional and of course if you look around the world, you know, there's some

Asian countries that you know, you'll never you'll never be able to proselytize to right and I think

It is maybe worth kind of putting a pin in in the conversation to make a

Another point that is worth consideration and that other point I think worthy of consideration is this notion that the whole point of religion

the whole point of

Hearing the gospel message is heaven

Right because that's generally the calculus that people are using and I would fault the early, you know

Probably I won't say the early church, but I'll fault older generations within the church for using hellfire and damnation as

The primary motivating factor. Yeah, don't want to burn in hell come to church Sunday, right? Yeah

And and people did that and I think it creates trauma for folks that really are genuinely afraid of hell

But it also creates a perverse incentive structure because it's completely selfish. Yeah

And the whole point of of religion if you ask

Well Christ himself was asked what is the greatest commandment and his response was

Love the Lord your God with all of your heart and the second is like it

Love your neighbor is yourself, right? So yeah, the the point the whole point is relationship with a God that loves you

and relationship with other people where you try to bring them in

and

heaven is part of the benefits package, but it's not the job

heaven is you know, it's a sweet perk, but

If you're if you're actually doing it right if you're if you're doing an axe chapter to church

You have a sense of community

You are taking care of folks when they're down on their luck you're helping the orphans and the widows

You're sharing things you you you have something

That is a greater in life than just this destination you might get as part of retirement

Um, and so the the benefit

The sales pitch really should be hey look you're getting community

You're bettering yourself. You're feeling a sense of

closeness with God in the universe and creation and whatever

It gives you permission to sort of release the need for control of the things you have no control over

Because you can say it. Well, I've got this limited

deterministic set of

characteristics and circumstance

I don't have to be worried about the attacks in iran. I don't have to be worried about

You know the starving folks and

Somalia or what have you

I'll do the good in the world that I have the capacity to do in an effective fashion and then teamwork makes the dream work other people will fill in the gaps

Except except for ones that aren't exposed to the same message unfortunately, right?

Well, it's growing. Yeah, because

One of the things that you see in the church world is the places that seem to be the most impressive or where

Christianity tends to thrive

Christianity right now is is thriving in

China

I know for a fact that it is thriving in

Pakistan

There there are places that our church has touched where there are missionaries that

India is a huge one

Where it's illegal to convert to Christianity and folks are doing it because there's some sort of benefit that they see and they're offered the same benefits package with Hinduism

Choose your own God right from the Pokemon index of different options and

They're still seeing revival there because for those individuals

There's something to it. Yeah, well, I just I just can't help but think

Not enough. It's not nearly enough. If you truly truly believe it. I don't think it's enough. I think a lot of people are

Would would suffer in in hell and damnation that they that

Someone could have could have fixed, but if you know

I so I think either people

don't truly believe all the way or

Where they don't care so

No, we went off off of a that's okay actually I think

This this idea was

Somebody stole it from you and then they put it on subway takes. Yeah, I'd be dead. Yeah

But you're not wrong. Yeah, because a lot of folks and there's a book

Gosh, I want to say it was Craig Rochelle. It's called the Christian atheist. Uh-huh

I can't think of the name of the book, but essentially it's highlighting the same idea, right?

Folks a spouse the set of beliefs and then don't live by them. Yeah

And I'll I'll be totally honest. I don't I don't think I exude

The perfect example of what a Christian should be

I don't I'm a hypocrite in a lot of ways. I try not to be

I try to be intellectually consistent. You should see him on the hockey rank

You should see me driving

That's where it really comes out

Hockey to though. I'm a little bit of a game. Yeah

Cuz I can't I can't shoot so I gotta hit

But yeah

There are I think one folks go through seasons in life

But two I do think there's a whole lot of folks that are showing up because it's a cultural tradition

Yeah, cuz it's what mom and dad did because it's a social benefit

You can go network for your business. It's a great place to meet somebody if you're dating

Hey, and you're in your whole point about um

repenting and I mean doing the bar tips in life. I I mean

It you know, it sounds like a loophole, but there's a pretty clear

Kind of path forward to just kind of be a dick all day and all all your life and then you know apologize

Long as you get a few seconds on your deathbed, you're

You're good now now I would I would think that

Assuming you get a deathbed and well, that's true. I don't care. I mean there's there's a risk risk there, but

Now I would assume your your god could see through all that

But you know, I'm sure there are there are people that genuinely know I'm death row or something like that that really could

Be sincere I suppose yeah, and I guess I would I would leave it at

um

If you're not dead yet, you're not a complete work. So everybody's on that journey

Sometimes you have to hear the same message time and time again before it actually sticks. So I don't know

I'd love to have better answers, but I think if I had complete answers to these questions, I'd write a book and be pretty famous

That is true. So all right, so I'll I'll uh

Recap it with we talked about eternity

um

Maybe

I think they're like the reset option. I think I think if you could live in heaven for a hundred years and then hit a reset button and do it again

That we should put that in the benefits package because I think that would help sell it

It's less

Scare and then again if you did the same thing and in hell

Now and now your uh your tolerance gets reset every time and that I mean that's you're gonna come back motivated to be a much better person

Right

But of course, I think we don't have free will so it doesn't matter and I don't think there is a heaven or hell

So it doesn't matter. So just be a good person

Okay, here's the message

Yeah, the PSA here don't be a butt if if you're not a religious person if you're atheist or some a word um

That should have been my joke, but that should have been my joke taken around

No, so if you're you're you're one of me. I'd just be a good person for the 80 plus years hopefully right

The the time you have here be good pass it on yeah, and if you're in my camp and your religious person

Don't be an a word. Don't be an a word

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