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After Dark with Hosts Rob & Andrew – Joe Kent resigns over U.S. involvement in Iran, arguing the conflict lacks justification and is driven by external influence, including Israel. His departure exposes divisions within Trump’s circle on foreign policy, as debates intensify over military intervention, national security priorities, and America’s role in escalating tensions in the Middle East...Welcome everybody to AfterDark with Robyn Andrew, Medical America Out Louds.
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We've got a big show for you guys tonight.
A lot of news is going down rapidly as you guys know.
Start off with Joe Kent, who was kind of a Tulsi Gabbard's right-hand man, I guess, in
this administration.
He was, I forget what was his official title, Rob, but director of Counterterrorism was
his official title.
He worked closely with Tulsi Gabbard, as you guys might know, we've had Joe on the
show probably four, five times maybe.
He's been on quite a few times, so he's been in a great guest and very gracious with
this time.
And joining us, and I think Rob would agree, would like to have him back on at some point
and he could discuss this latest happening that we've seen with the Trump administration
where he has submitted his resignation letter, much like myself.
Is it posed to the war in Iran?
We're hearing reports that he was suspected, made of been giving out leaks.
Like we said, we don't know this.
This is just reports that we're hearing.
So there was maybe a trust issue with the Trump administration already.
So he may have been on his way out already.
I think he was probably disappointed in all of the things that he saw that led to this
and it was just kind of one of those things that boiled over.
But Joe Kin, I think, is a great patriot.
I completely support his statement in resignation.
It's unfortunately that he had to resign and his voice wasn't making an impact, but
if the reports are true and he'd been shed out of a lot of the meetings, they weren't
really listening to him anyways.
So he wasn't going to make a difference like that.
But be interesting, see where Joe goes from here.
I certainly wish him nothing but the best.
The guy ran for Congress twice, put up a good fight against Hireya Butler there in
Washington.
He was deployed to the Middle East 11 times.
His wife, Shannon Kin, was killed in the Middle East and one of those entanglements and that's
when his relationship with President Trump started because it happened in the first Trump
administration.
And he said President Trump had reached out to him and comforted him, loomed to the White
House, just treated him like a real gentleman.
And that's when him and Trump's personal relationships seemed to have began and went
well for several years.
But as Rob and I have said before, war is a very emotional and divisive topic.
And unfortunately, it's led to this, Rob.
You're right Andrew.
I want to thank all of our listeners for tuning in tonight because as we always say, you
could be somewhere else, but you decided to listen to us and maybe some of you were listening
tuning in tonight, following our tweets, our postings on X, we're only known as Twitter.
Andrew and I have difference of opinion on the war, the conflict, same war because everyone
is saying war, but of course, Congress can only declare war.
I will say this about Joe.
We thought a doubt.
He is a patriot, Andrew.
And I'm sure you would agree with that.
He is a patriot.
He is a hero.
We have always said that.
So much so that he's been on our show like we consider him a friend of the show, because
as you mentioned, he's been on the show like five times, very generous with this time.
You call him up.
He's available.
As he's told us, I will come on and I will talk.
I will run my mouth.
Which is what he's done whenever we reached out to him.
And you would think he would say, oh, no, I don't have time, but he has always come on
to speak with us about the war.
I remember when the fall of Afghanistan and he came on and he's talked to us about that
and how he was disappointed in Joe Biden.
And when we spoke about this on last night, when the troops were coming home, the dead troops
in Joe Biden was busy fumbling, fumbling with his watch and not paying attention as he
should have been in a very sacred ceremony.
For this about that, spoke with us about his wife and having lost her, I think, in Syria.
I think this was during the Obama administration.
But again, just a really nice guy.
He did run for Congress, did not make it.
Andrew mentioned he ran twice.
And it might have been because they just didn't get behind him, people didn't get behind
on the way they should.
And I think in some many instances, for some reason, Republicans do that.
If it's not, when we look at the top of the ticket, if we don't see that person there,
we don't come on and vote.
We've got to stop that.
There is too much stake.
We've got to stop getting mad because the person we want to run isn't running because
Democrats don't do that.
We've got to get out there if you don't like the candidate, you've got to vote because
you receive what's happening to our country now.
Yesterday was St. Patrick's Day.
We have the president of Ireland to come over.
Have you looked at Ireland recently looked at the map and look at the makeup of Ireland?
A majority of the people who were born there came from another country.
Many of them came from the Middle East, many of them came from Africa.
Ireland is not the Ireland that it used to be 30 years ago, 20 years ago.
Why is that?
Well, people just decided just to give up and look the other way and let crazy people
come into the country because we fell sorry for them.
We're just what we have going on here in America.
The exact same thing.
You look around.
I'm not trying to be xenophobic or what not.
And if you think I am who cares, you've got to call out the truth.
Okay.
And as my grandma used to say, tell the truth and shame to them.
We have too many radical Islamists here in this country and we've got to put the brakes
on it.
Okay.
We've got to put the brakes on it, folks.
There's just too many for comfort.
But the story that I wanted to mention is that you look, this guy came here yesterday,
talking to Trump.
And I just happened to do just a little research.
I'm like, who is this guy?
And look at the population of Ireland, Ireland, and it's devastating.
And the same thing has happened to the UK, to Germany, Switzerland, because they took
their eyes off the ball.
They woke up and now they have all these problems.
And people would say, oh, but we want them to come.
No, you don't.
If they can't come and be on their own, if they can't come and be self-sufficient,
why are they coming?
There is a reason they're coming.
They're trying to take over.
This isn't like the 15 and the 1400 and the moors came and almost conquered, well, not
almost, but they conquered all of Europe.
That's the reason when you go there, you're a sea different mosque and build this built
like that.
And when they conquer, if you don't accept, they kill you.
And this is what they're telling us here today, they will kill you.
But yet we have these little roles that, oh, no, let them come.
We love you.
Yeah, right.
And I say that because Joe is Irish.
And maybe when we could get him to come on, we'll get him to talk what are his thoughts
on this makeup, this change in demographics and his native of Ireland.
And definitely here in the United States, another part of Europe.
It's something that we need to keep an eye on.
And we need to push back and not be afraid going back to Joe.
As Andrew mentioned, he resigned.
He put out a letter, it's a letter of resignation on on X Twitter, once they Twitter X, they're
synonymous.
But you know, something else that's interesting, Andrew, have you noticed that a lot of nowadays,
a lot of our politicking and communication is done on Twitter.
It's just like, oh, how do you feel about that?
I'm not a fan because I personally don't even like the monetization of Twitter because
what we've seen is people posting things for engagement or for content because they make
money off of it instead of maybe, you know, posting how they sincerely feel and things
like that.
I mean, you see it on both sides.
You do it.
I don't like it either.
But I remember back when when it first started and it's complemented and not just politically,
people post that AI slot all the time with these fake AI videos and stuff, but it's like
they get paid for it.
I find myself before retweeting something or accessing something, I always look to say,
let me just make sure this is legitimate because you have a lot of people that are healthier,
as you mentioned, that are just, you know, doing it for the clicks because it's monetized.
And I would think that, you know, Elon Musk, he's always looking at no fair imbalance and
make a certain that correct information is out there that he would like to try to cut
down on that, but it doesn't seem like he is.
He claims that he is, but he's not.
But just going back to posting things and that's how we found out about Joe Kent.
And I was about to say, you know, we have to think Trump, thanks to Trump, who are
sure to end this thing because during his first term, he used social media Twitter to
almost use it to his advantage to get his word out there.
And that's the reason why he got kicked off because he didn't like it.
We got kicked off also because our voices were out there.
That's when you could say what you mean and you meant it and people were listening.
Now you got to be careful because you don't know if someone is trying to fool you into believing
something that's not true.
Enter Joe Kent.
He posted his letter of resignation online and when I saw it, I thought, wait a minute,
is this real?
I looked and went, well, it's like it's a copy of the resignation.
Remember, Andrew, I sent it to you.
I was sending it to you and you were sending it to me.
We both, we both saw this is like popped up in our timeline and I thought, is it's real?
You know, and I was working from home that I decided, I'm like, let me just turn TV
on and see.
And the lo and behold.
Damn, there it is.
It's real.
You know, I thought, wow, he's resigning and we're finding out about it on Twitter.
And I guess back in the day, we were learning it on, they would have, on the six o'clock
news.
They would have broken and talked about it.
Instead, you know, Joe Kent, he's resigning by the blah, blah, because of whatever reason.
But the media immediately jumped on this and he became their it boy.
After not being their it boy, after doing his confirmation, they ripped him to shred
saying that there is no way he should be approved for that position.
All they came out and drove saying, oh, how could Trump pick him?
This guy is crazy and there's no way.
And then all at once, when he resigned, they decided, wow, we like him.
He makes sense now.
We should definitely showcase him.
I'm sure they're going to reach out to him and try to get and try to book him on some
of their shows.
As you mentioned, Andrew, we're going to try to reach out to him as well.
But we've always been a friend and a fan, unlike the media who have just relished and, and
destroying him.
And because he is coming out, so they think against Trump, now they want to make him their
it boy because they like what he's saying.
Now, here's what's interesting, Andrew, about all of this, with him making him their
it boy.
When Mike Pence came out and said that he supported what Trump was doing and I ran,
no one on the left invited him on their show.
And if they did, they didn't showcase it.
Why is that?
We would think that they would have, because Mike Pence, there's no love loss.
We saw the acrimony between Trump and Mike Pence, after he left, after they both left
the White House.
And he couldn't get bucked enough on CNN and MSNBC, go ahead, Andrew.
I think part of it is Mike Pence just isn't popular and Joe can't even without the
media's admiration to his tweet.
I mean, it's one of the biggest of Twitter in the year.
Top five tweet all year is when he announced that.
So it's definitely a big talking point and maybe ratings for right now to talk about
him.
Well, of course it is because he's going against Trump, which is what they like.
Mike Pence didn't like Trump after the 2020 election, they couldn't get enough of it.
But because he's now agreeing with Trump, which is what they did not think, now it's like,
oh, we love him.
We, we, you know, we, we, we love Joe Kempeth as we love Joe Kempeth.
Right.
Oh, no, forget about Mike Pence.
Yeah.
But Mike Pence is the one who said that maybe if Trump did something wrong, he should be
charged.
And, and remember, he even went on the Clay and Buck Sexton show, and they were asking him,
they said that if Trump, if you become president, if Trump is, if Trump is indicted,
will you pardon him?
He would not give an answer, would not.
But now that he's agreeing with Trump, no one wants to talk to him.
Talk about being political.
This is political.
And as always, here, and after dark, we come with the receipts.
So I want to play your receipt of the left attacking Joe Kemp and saying that Joe Kemp should
not be put in the position that Trump wanted him in, the director of national intelligence.
Now, this is him saying, oh, no, he's, he's a mistake.
This is going to be wrong.
And again, this is before they fell in love with him yesterday.
Run the tape.
They hold a Republican professional candidate twice.
So, for the unless you need to just protect his boss, the president from the attack,
Mark Warren, the president, told this committee, I'll put out a statement yesterday that said
that they should immediately call a consideration of Mr. Kemp's nomination to leave that agency.
Um, agree with the senator?
They would agree with the senator.
What change?
He's going against Trump and we see this all the time.
Whenever someone comes out and says something counter to what Trump is saying, the media loves
it.
Otherwise, he becomes the, that person becomes your it person.
They look at John Bolton.
They hated John Bolton.
The moment he turned on Trump, oh, they loved him.
Look at Michael Cohen.
They hate it.
Michael Cohen.
They want it.
Michael Cohen in jail.
But when Michael Cohen turned against Trump, they loved him.
You know, what's happening now?
No, Michael Cohen is flipping again.
He's saying that Latisha James and that Alvin Brock forced him and to testify against Trump.
Now the media hates Michael Cohen again.
Andrew makes sense of it all for me, please.
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We're back here on the after dark with Robin Andrews, just continuing our discussion tonight.
We're discussing the resignation of Joe Kent in the first half of the show.
And it was obvious what was going to happen after his resignation.
We see this anytime anyone goes against the war or brings up how highly influential
Israel is in our government.
The smear campaign starts right away, right?
So we saw that a lot on the right.
The talking points came out instantly from Carolyn Levit, another Trump administration
officials.
Carolyn Levit, just like a month ago, or not even that, since the war had started, it tweeted
out that Iran wasn't a direct threat to the United States.
And then she changed her tune in Basjo for saying that same thing I've been saying.
And just a lot of other things trying to act like he's been leaking all this intel before
they know any facts.
Just the coordinated effort to smear him.
And we've seen it with Tucker Carlson and others where anytime someone speaks out against
the war, they're going to try and ruin their name, bury them, maybe throw them in prison.
We'll see what happens.
Well, I have to agree with, I have to disagree with you on a couple of things.
First of all, I didn't know that Carolyn Levit just had a baby.
I knew she was pregnant.
I'm like, she popped the kid out already, but I was reading that she popped the kid out
took two days off and now she's back at work.
I'm like, oh my gosh, I thought she was just, she just got pregnant.
She should be ashamed of herself for that message she put out about Joe Kent.
Oh, Andrew, come on.
She should be ashamed.
Well, if she should be ashamed, she's a propagandist.
That's what she is.
I mean, she's saying.
Yeah, but that's her job.
I understand that.
Right.
Yeah.
But she should be.
Go ahead.
I did not agree with that message.
Well, if she should be ashamed, she should be because back in September 25, 2024, he did
a tweet.
And he said, I ran, has been after Trump since January of 2020.
After he ordered the targeted killing of the terrorists, Kaseem Silomone.
This isn't a new threat.
The secret service consistently failing to secure Trump is new.
We need to figure out exactly why these failures keep happening.
That's a bash on the secret service, not saying that we should go to war with Iran.
I don't get what that tweet proves at all.
I mean, obviously, I ran with a bad actor, everyone knew that, but that doesn't mean we
should go to war with them.
I mean, in order for it to be as a bad actor, should we go to war with them?
No, there's no war.
They're all over the Middle East.
The Middle East is a dump.
I mean, we were just spending endless money going into these endless wars with no direction.
We weren't even attacked this time.
We just started this war.
And it's going to backfire.
It's already backfiring for the American people.
I'm going on a trip this weekend.
Gas is going to be a lot more expensive.
People are noticing other prices are going up because anytime oil goes up, retirements dropping
again.
This has just been a disaster.
How long have we been in this?
Too long.
Ten days.
And just a minor hiccup with gas prices, what gas prices now, like $3 or $4 compared to
when Joe Biden was in office, it was like $5 or $6.
They're at the Biden's peak.
They're more, but not for like, Biden's last year in office.
They're a lot more than that.
Yeah.
Ten days, two a week and almost a half.
And we're already disgruntled after four decades.
We say that.
I hear a lot of people saying that, well, what have I ever done?
I was never interested in this war anyway, because I told people to vote for President Trump
because if you want to go to war with Iran, Nikki Haley will take you right there.
I said, if you don't want to go to Iran, if you want to put America first, we're going
to vote for President Trump and focus on domestic issues, the economy, and the other things.
But we can't do both at the same time.
We can't do them both at the same time.
It doesn't look like it because we're not getting anything done here.
Like what?
He's already talked about the jobs that are coming here.
He's already gotten into the nasty portations.
He sent ice home from all the major cities across America.
Yeah, but the last I looked home and is still rounding people up.
It's not his fault that those poor states are talking about letting illegals fill in some
of these farm jobs and other things like that.
I mean, we're not going to get the master portations.
He's cutting back on them.
But we talk about, we talk about the nasty portations, right?
And we talk about that, nasty portations, and we know that there is already a system
that we allow folks to come here to work and then we send them back.
That's already given.
Okay.
Now, if we want to change that, Congress has to change it.
Trump can't do everything by himself.
We need to reach out to our representatives and tell them, what are you guys doing?
They're sitting there watching Trump take these hits.
I mean, we say that no new wars and that Niki Hayley would have taken us there.
But for four decades, four decades now, we have set back and we've watched Iran take
these little shots at us because we're busy with other Middle Eastern wars.
What are the Middle Eastern wars?
Iran is a really big group.
Iraq, Afghanistan.
Yeah.
But that was four decades.
Yeah.
We're in Afghanistan for 25 years.
Yeah.
Well, that's kind of a mess of the Democrats.
Before that we're in desert storm.
I mean, we've been pretty busy in the Middle East since the 90s.
1982, I think Trump said we need to do something about Iran and that if it were him, he would
have already blown them up.
This is back in 1982.
So this is not Israel talking to Trump.
But he also bashed Obama a million times saying that Obama's poll numbers are falling.
He's going to bomb Iran because he doesn't know how to negotiate and things like that.
I mean, that's what the thing.
We thought art of the deal Trump was a master negotiator.
We didn't think he was going to enter us in every war.
He got a chance too.
And I don't think he's entering us in every war that he's gotten a chance to.
He has so far.
He's been negotiating.
He's been negotiating for another.
Like when?
Dennis Wailer, we know that's on the side.
Yeah.
It's a military engagement after military engagement.
I mean, we just bombed Iran last year.
But would you prefer that we set back like Clint Clinton did with North Korea?
Yes.
Yes.
And let them get a nuke?
Yes.
Because they have a nuke.
It didn't matter.
No, they didn't have a nuke at the time.
What would we have done?
What would we have done?
Attacked them.
And what good would that have done?
I mean, North Korea didn't have one at the time.
OK.
OK.
So we're worse it exactly come up with this because we took our eyes off the ball.
And we said, let's welcome them in the same way we did.
We're not the world police, Rob.
We can't control if bad actors end up getting nuke.
I mean, I think that's what people felt real.
It's time to stop being.
We need to just put America for our focusing on the rest of the world.
Everybody's so obsessed with the rest of the world.
Let's do something for America.
I mean, look at how much money we spend overseas.
Look how much money we send to these foreign countries like the Ukraine
and these other countries in Europe.
Let's keep that here.
Let's stop spending that.
Let's stop spending the money in the Middle East.
Let China take the lead.
China doesn't even want to go into Iran and take the oil.
Well, they don't know.
They don't know because they see what America will do.
But look at what they were doing before this.
Look at what they were doing and our backyard.
It's South America.
Look at the strongest military in the world, Rob.
I mean.
Yeah, but we talked.
But now they say I would have never, ever been able to strike us.
But Iran would have been able to attack our neighbors.
And as an ally, our neighbors are in the Middle East.
Our neighbors are in the Middle East.
Our neighbors are in Canada and Mexico.
If we let Iran get a nuke,
Iran would have controlled the Middle East,
control all the oil production.
And if they got a nuke, then Saudi Arabia is going to say,
well, we want a nuke.
Israel has a lot of the strongest military in the Middle East.
But is Israel threatening their neighbors?
I'm not saying I have a problem with them having a nuke.
I'm just saying that they probably do.
I mean, it's not out there.
But they do have the strongest military in the Middle East.
They're quite capable of shutting down Iran themselves.
But to me, then, it goes back to geopolitics
and the reason why Trump is able to forge a relationship
with all these guff states.
Knowing that this will probably lead to this.
For once and for all, we need to get rid of this threat
so that we can live in peace.
Every president has come into office
with Iran being threat for four decades.
But the radicals, it's just going to be replaced by a new
radical of minutes.
Maybe 30 years from now.
This guy was 87 years old.
Maybe 30 years from now, it will come back again.
It's like congratulations you killed an old man.
Oh, absolutely.
But look, but for no man who was wreaking havoc.
For four decades, we've seen American lives lost.
We have seen them support terrorist activity.
So we don't do anything because we're afraid.
I mean, that's what I keep hearing people say,
well, how many of the lives lost?
Because we were in the Middle East.
I'm sorry.
How many of the lives lost, particularly in the last 10,
15 years were because we had our troops in the Middle East
when they shouldn't have been there.
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Does Trump have our troops in the Middle East?
No.
Well, we've got to eat Middle East.
What is he doing?
He's bombing up.
Well, we have military bases across the world.
And this happened after World War II.
So the just in case something happens,
we're a geographically positioned to get our folks there.
That's the reason why we're there.
And we can thank NATO for that.
If we want to just like shut everything down and say,
we're going to take our mob and go home,
then we need to get out of NATO and we need to keep the UN out of here.
Yes.
Now, about what we said, we need to get kicked that you went out of here.
Okay.
Yes.
But it doesn't work that way because it's either us or another country.
And that other country would have been China.
Now China is thinking twice before they do anything.
Now, Trump will eventually leave office.
Republicans will eventually leave office.
And you mark my word if it is a Democrat.
The status that we have now that we lost under Biden,
that we lost under Obama because they were like,
oh, we don't want to do anything.
We just want to stay at home and we want to say don't do this
and don't do that.
And they laugh right at us and walk right over us.
Bill Clinton tried that and then North Korea got a nuke.
Bill Clinton stood his ground.
They would have never gotten a nuke.
And now we've seen for the past decade,
Iran has been threatening and trying to get a nuke,
trying to build it.
And before they got it, they were supporting terrorist activities all over.
Look at what happened in Syria.
Obama don't.
And then we got the creation of ISIS.
I don't think people understand.
No, I get it.
Let's just stay at home and let's do what we need to do.
But when we do that, you have these other foreign actors,
radicals that rise up and then they start to bully the rest of the world.
And then they drag us in on it.
What did we do to bring on 9-11?
When Iraq was in having a fight with Iran,
we went into Iraq and we said, we're going to help you out.
And then we raised up Saddam Hussein.
Then we helped the bin Laden.
He was fighting with them.
And what did they do?
They turned their back on us.
Because we looked the other way.
We said, oh, we're going to leave the low.
And then we were sick.
Like the Kurds were saying, oh, no, don't.
You don't understand these people.
We said, oh, well, you figure it out.
And then look at what happened.
Then we had Afghanistan.
So when we don't do anything, we think that we're being good.
And we're just going to mine our own business.
When we're mining our own business,
and we take our eyes up of what's happening,
this is what happens.
We have situations like this.
Four decades, like I said, in Iran.
Four decades.
Then mad.
Well, we want to do, if you want to do something,
I oftentimes ask people, you look a Saudi Arabia,
you look at all these countries are wealthy.
Do any of them have higher levels of education, universities?
No.
Why not?
Yeah.
But after this bombing, the hate and contempt for America
is going to be even stronger.
Because the propaganda is going to continue in Iran.
So I mean, what's it really going to get us?
I mean, 10, 15 years later,
they're just going to be, you know,
terrorists, radicals, just like they are now.
Well, I'll tell you what it's going to get us.
I mean, these guys' response was pathetic.
I mean, they bombed a few of their neighbors in some weak attacks.
They just basically threw everything they had out the window.
They weren't a serious threat in the first place.
They won't be in 20 years.
Well, how do you define a serious threat?
They weren't a year ago.
They could never attack America.
But how do you define a serious threat?
What is a serious threat?
Someone that could attack our homeland.
But what about?
And challenges here.
Okay.
What about someone attacking our embassy in killing Americans?
Does not a serious threat?
Well, obviously our embassies.
We have embassies just like all over.
Right.
Obviously that would be a diplomatic issue if they did that,
but that didn't happen.
But it doesn't matter.
It's still a threat.
Lives a loss.
Look at Libya.
Look at what happened in Iran when they stormed down.
And they...
Maybe we need to close down all these embassies.
I mean, I don't have an issue with that at all.
Then you're definitely saying there's a lot of money, I'm sure.
No, then you're definitely setting yourself up.
Can you imagine how much money we spend on these embassies all over the world?
I mean, what are they for?
I mean...
It is too wasted money.
Well, it is...
No, it's not.
It is to promote our interest, promote who we are, our country.
We already have a lot of these countries on our welfare list.
We provide security for a lot of these countries, for Germany, for the UK.
And I see why Trump is so upset with these countries who are just sitting back looking at,
he's saying, well, once you guys go in and protect the...
Straight Hamus.
What is it?
The straight-up Hamas?
The straight-up Hamas.
Why don't you go in and protect them?
Oh, we don't want to.
Oh, we're afraid to.
But then if we say, if we're going to do it, we're going to take the oil.
And then we will immediately say, that's not fair.
Well, why is it not fair?
Trump has said that even when we went on Iraq, he said, why are we defending them?
Why don't we take the oil and pay for it?
So if we're saying that we're wasting all this money because we're there,
well, no, we should take the oil and I'm hoping that he's thinking that we're going to take the oil
and we're going to pay for this.
The same thing we're doing with Venezuela.
Democrats won't do it, but he will.
So while we're saying, oh, look how much this is going to cost us.
Okay, rewrite them a bill and we say, this is what we did and you're going to pay us for it.
We have control of the oil anyway.
We can do whatever we want.
The straight-up Hamus.
That's what it is.
I said, Hamas.
We've already bombed the areas in Kharg where they produce refined their oil.
We should take that over.
But of course, if we do, you'll have Democrats.
Oh, we're going to impeach.
Then you have some weak Republicans.
Oh, we're going to impeach.
Well, why would we?
Look at what they did to us.
We had to go there.
We had to straighten this out.
We had to bomb them back to Tim Buck too so that it will take them at least 50 years
before they were able to rise and do anything else.
As a result, you're going to pay us back in oil.
I think we should.
If we're going to go in, if we're going to clean house, then we should be paid for it.
And then once it's done, we won't have to worry about you guys coming out again.
Yeah, they might be able to do it.
But it will probably take them a good 50 years considering what we've done.
As I always say, Andrew, time will tell.
Indeed it will.
Hopefully, I'll be wrong.
In the single wrap-up period.
You better be wrong.
Yeah, the next week.
And yeah, I'd rather be wrong.
I have no problem admitting when I am wrong.
But hopefully, I will be.
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Then we're back in the last half of the show.
And we're just having a friendly debate on Iran and America's part.
And if they shared it, they shouldn't.
Of course, I support this.
Andrew's probably calling me a little neocon.
I don't care.
And he does it to support it.
But, you know, I go back to Joe Kim's statement.
Everything he said, like I said, he's a hero.
We like Joe.
We're going to have him back on.
But what I didn't like from his statement is for him to say that we're being led by Israel.
I'm the big lobbyist.
To me, that has gotten so old and it's easy to blame Israel.
And say, well, Trump is following Israel.
And as I pointed out, back in 1980, Trump has been saying,
we need to go in and we need to put this whole Iranian-messed bed for once for all.
I don't necessarily think Netanyahu is influencing Trump.
But I mean, the guy has clearly got like Lindsey Graham.
And a lot of the other rhinos in the Republican Congress and Senate wrapped around his finger.
I mean, Lindsey Graham was saying, we need to move all our stuff to Israel.
The other night on Fox News, no one even knew what he meant by it.
But I think they do a real disservice when people call people like Joe can't anti-Semitic.
Because when people come out and say things that really aren't anti-Semitic,
it's cheap in the word, kind of like racism.
You know, like Joe Kent's right up might have been a critique of the Israel government.
But I didn't look at that as a critique of Jews.
And I'd like to say the same thing.
Sometimes I'll critique the Israel government, maybe the lobbyists like Rob mentioned.
But it's not the Jewish people or Jews.
Like Rob's talked about for some are non-secular.
There's a lot of different kinds of Jews.
So I know a lot of people, though, on the right definitely have an issue with the Jews.
So it is mirrored somewhere in the middle there where people are paranoid.
But anytime someone criticizes the Israel government, I don't like how people say it's anti-Semitic.
Because that's not the truth.
Like I don't like Benjamin Netanyahu.
Rob will agree with this.
It started right after the election was stolen.
And Netanyahu congratulated Joe Biden.
I had no problem with the guy up until then.
But I thought he was a turn coat, turned his back on President Trump.
And I've never liked him since.
But that doesn't make me anti-Semitic.
I just don't like Benjamin Netanyahu.
Right.
Well, I don't, there are a lot of people that a lot of Jewish people that don't like Benjamin Netanyahu.
Heather, who on the show, friend of the show, one of our co-hosts, a contributor for the New York Post.
She also doesn't care for Benjamin Netanyahu.
Because I think a lot of people find him to be kind of sneaky.
I didn't have a problem with him calling Joe Biden because he knew that,
hey, I've got to work with this administration.
But I see where you're coming from when you say you had a problem with it.
But I just, I don't like it.
Trump was his number one ally, even in the first administration.
I don't think Trump cares for me.
Moving the embassy to Jerusalem and stuff like that.
I don't think Trump cares for me.
But I think that Trump tolerates him as much as he can.
But I don't think he likes him.
I just, I think that he could have made his point,
Kent, without saying, you know what, he's being led by Israel.
And we hear so many people on the left saying the exact same thing.
Because to me, I think Israel is an easy target to beat and to say.
And when you do say it, it becomes emotional.
And then people start to say, oh my god, yeah.
But again, Trump has been saying this since four four decades.
He didn't know Benjamin Netanyahu.
It wasn't even on the political stage.
So for anyone to say that, I think they're being disingenuous.
All you have to do is just look at what Trump was going to say.
He's passed tweets, not look at his past tweets,
but look at previous videos and he has come out and he's called out.
I ran and other foreign players and said what we should do.
He said the same thing about China.
How we were letting China take advantage of us.
And people said, oh, while he's just saying that because China won't let him build a Trump,
casino or Trump, whatever there.
No, the man has been consistent from day one.
I don't think that the lazy grams are influencing him.
Now, what he's doing, lazy gram probably likes the meal cause probably like.
But I think that he knows who lazy gram is as they say,
keep your friends close, which your friends closer.
And this is about politics.
And he knows that if I want to get something done,
it's going to be a little give and take.
I don't like the guy.
He's slimy, but I'll go and I'll play golf with him.
So again, keep him close to see what he's thinking and what he's doing.
I don't like a lot of it.
Don't like a lot of the players.
But this is what you have to do.
I mean, look at the race.
It's coming up in Texas with corn and in Pakistan.
I was wondering who was Trump going to endorse.
I think he should just stay out of it completely.
But he's probably looking at the poll numbers and trying to decide who's who would be best for this.
But for for this role, who would be able to beat this guy?
A telereque.
Now, to me, telereque should be easy.
He's he's beatable.
But you never know because you have a lot of liberals that have moved to Texas.
I can attest to that because you think of it.
The same liberals who were saying stay inside, stay inside.
They jump ship and move to Texas, move to Florida.
My message to them was leave your liberal politics behind.
Don't go there trying to change things.
You know, but they're going there and they'll probably start breeding telling other liberals.
Oh, you should come here and we could change this and we can do this and we can do that.
I'm thinking, oh my gosh, please.
So Trump is probably looking at that and trying to decide.
Probably doesn't like John Corden.
I think John Corden is a sleaze bag.
I think if he wants Trump to endorse him, he should come out and say,
look, I know that I've done some things in the past that were rather, you know, you're questionable,
but I am all in mega.
I'm going to support Trump.
I'm going to support Trump's agenda.
Paxton has already said that if he were to come out and say he supports the sayback that he would drop out.
And I think that's huge for Paxton.
It does seem to me that Paxton wants to come in because he sees that tree Trump needs allies on the hill who will support his agenda.
Because there are a lot of folks that are due now that they're half-ass.
Sometimes they will.
Sometimes they won't look at Ron.
He's a Rand Paul or Rand Ron Paul.
Which one is it?
One of the Paul men who's saying that I'm thinking about running for the presidency.
I'm like, oh my God.
Rand is the younger one.
Rand.
He wants to run for the part.
Now, and I like, but it seems as if though he's always in opposition when it really counts.
He puts a script.
Yeah.
I mean, he didn't vote for the tax cuts, I don't think.
And neither did Thomas Massey.
And that soiled both of them on me.
If you're not even going to vote for the American people to be able to keep more money in their pockets, what good are you doing in Republicans?
It makes you wonder, are they doing these things just to show that they can go up against Trump?
Because they're principled, Rob.
I hate when they say that, don't you?
They're the same.
Thomas Massey's a principled conservative.
It's like, what?
What is the other being principled?
You don't believe in tax cuts?
Right.
Like, what are you principled too?
Just to yourself to say that you can stand up for him because you're afraid that other people are going to say that you're bowing down to Trump?
And what is the other guy's name on the hill that, oh man, I almost said his name.
And he, I don't think he's going to run again.
Oh gosh.
What did we talk about him all the time?
And he just recently had a running for Trump.
It's not Massey.
Oh gosh.
I have so many names in my head.
I forgot the guy's name.
But anyway, he needs to come out also.
I think it's from North.
Is this from South Carolina?
Yeah.
You know who I'm talking about?
Let me see if I can Google it.
What is I see the guy?
Yeah, I don't like him at all either.
He's a big rhino.
After January 6, he was a big time in the camp of the Democrats.
Right.
And it's like he's only doing it just so that he could say that he's against Trump.
I mean, I think a lot of these Republicans, they don't have a position to stand on.
But they feel as if they can prove that, hey, I can stand up against Trump.
I can do this and I that they'll make a name for themselves.
And I don't like Republicans like that.
It's one thing to say, hey, I don't agree with him, you know.
But to create these little obstacles and to show that you can stop him and stop his agenda, I'm not for that.
And they shouldn't be doing that.
If you want to be principled, principled is about having a position and saying, Mr. President, this is the reason why I voted this way.
Like Matt Hawley.
It's Josh Hawley.
They were voting for something and he voted completely against what Trump wanted.
And then he came out and he explained himself.
He said, oh, okay, I see.
And then he went back and said, no, this is a reason why I did it.
He's principled.
I like that.
I was a tally.
Wait, gosh.
Tell us.
Tell us. Yes, Tom, tell us.
There you go.
It was coming.
Like I said, I don't like him at all.
Yeah.
I don't care for him because I think he's not principled.
He's only trying to show Democrats mainly.
You see, I can stand up for Trump.
You don't have to agree with everything that Trump says.
You don't have to agree with everything that he does.
But you're in a position to support this president and not support Democrats.
That's what I don't like.
Okay.
Case in point.
You're saying that you don't like the fact that we went into Iran.
Okay.
But you're not saying.
You're not saying that when the Republicans want to put forth this bill,
we're going to try to limit his powers.
You were saying, oh, I'm going to jump on board with you.
You just said that I don't like that we went there.
But then you have someone like Tom, tell us.
You'll say, well, I don't like it.
I'm going to vote to, you know, to stop his powers.
You know, and I want to vote to keep going with the Epstein files.
I do.
Come on.
It's like, who?
I'm going to vote.
It's like, dude, come on.
It's like, hold side or you aren't.
Yeah.
And it's like these radical judges that we see that more authority than the president of the United
States in some cases.
I mean, it's crazy.
Well, and see, and that's something else.
What the hell are Republicans doing?
They're in Texas.
I think there's like 50 district judges positions that need to be filled.
They haven't filled.
Across the country, you have judge ships that have not been filled.
If we don't take the house and the Senate, and November, Democrats are going to come in.
And it will never be filled.
Every time we turn around, we have a Democrat judge who's trying to stop Trump.
Look at the latest judge who's trying to stop JFK.
And what he said on vaccines.
Now this judge, go ahead.
RFK.
I'm getting passionate about this.
This judge has no rounds for this.
There's no foundation.
He has no jurisprudence over it.
But he knows why I can do it.
I can stop it for a while.
And the same judge has been kicked out and stopped by the Supreme Court.
And they've told him you don't have authority.
But he's doing it because he can.
He knows they're going to kick it out again.
Why is this constantly happening?
Look at Boris Berg.
He is a pain in Trump's side.
Remember, he's a one who went to John Roberts and told John Roberts,
oh, you know, we need to stop Trump.
Are you in on it?
And John Roberts, he said, didn't want to comment.
He was just like, listen to him.
But John Roberts also, he's, he's feckless.
He's coming out, gave a comment somewhere in Houston, Texas that, you know, the attacks on the judges.
It has to stop.
Well, where was he in calling out Biden?
It's Department of Justice.
When they had protests outside of Supreme Court Justices homes, which is illegal.
It should not happen.
Maryland did absolutely nothing.
John Roberts didn't call it out.
Where's John Roberts with finding out who disclosed the DOBS decision?
Where is he?
But he can find time to come out and try to semi-tick a pot-shot at Trump.
He should resign.
He has made the court political.
He can't make a decision without being afraid that they might come outside my home in protest.
When they came outside Alito and, and, and, and Clare's Thomas, they stood their grounds.
They said, we don't care what you do.
We're going to still vote according to the Constitution.
But then you have other judges who are afraid.
This is why I don't like that.
That's not being a conservative.
It's not even being midway, Andrew.
It's being a complete rhino.
It's being a veckless scary person.
Now, I get it.
I get it because we know that Democrats are ruthless.
We know that Democrats and Andrew will come after you and they will kill you.
Look at Charlie Kirk.
They tried to kill Trump twice.
Look at all the other attacks that are taking place.
Look at the ice ages.
Look at them acting out in these judges are looking the other way.
Look at how they're letting these illegals back out on the streets.
Why does they have harm someone?
Why does they have rape someone?
Why does they have killed?
They give them light sentences.
Then they put them in jail.
And when they let them go, they will not contact ice and say, we're letting them go.
You can get them now.
They won't do it.
But if I were to commit a crime, they find out I'm a conservative.
They will throw the book at me and leave me in jail indefinitely.
Look at what they did to the Jan 6th folks.
I don't care what your position is.
So whether or not you thought they did.
They were wrong or right.
But the fact that they were denying them access to a council was wrong.
Completely wrong.
And no one is saying barely saying anything about it.
And I'm including Republicans on this also.
There was a violation of the right to council.
Nothing.
We just moved right along.
Let's move on to the next topic.
Let's move on to the next incident.
Let's move on to something different.
But these are things that people have to be held accountable for.
But they are not.
And for that, I don't like it.
Because I want all of this address.
Look at what's her name, Elyon Omar.
Nancy Mays put forth the bill to investigate her papers for coming to America.
Then you had Republicans to block it.
Why?
Well, because they might do it to us.
What do you mean by they might do it to you?
They're going to do it to you.
They don't care.
So why are you trying to give them some type of leverage and say,
oh, we want to play.
No, we don't want to play nice with her.
She should not be there.
I don't trust her.
I think she's a threat to democracy.
I think she's a Trojan force.
I think she could be selling information to Somalia.
No, Somalia can't do anything to us.
We could bomb them just like we did Iran.
But if you have a Democrat, you'll get what happened with Bill Clinton.
They put us to shame.
Mogadishu in Somalia.
Put us to shame.
Not down a blackout, blackout down.
Look at the movie.
And then they were laughing at us.
We can't go back to that.
We cannot go back to that Andrew because that was embarrassing.
But where are we with investigating her?
And even when she claimed she was at a speech and someone tried to
accost her that she's going to walk back like she's ready to fight.
Why haven't we looked into that?
Why hasn't we, why haven't we heard any more about it?
Republicans, come on.
You got to wake up.
But instead you guys would focus on the Epstein files.
Now we want that.
Oh, Andrew, I'll say this.
And I know we got to go.
You heard that Pam Bondy has been subpoenaed to testify.
Oh, not subpoena, but invited to testify before the house by James Comer.
That's to her handling of the Epstein files.
Now, let's see how much of what is it?
How much of Iran they're going to get out of that?
We'll be talking about that from here to eternity because that's their favorite topic.
Meanwhile, we know that Democrats have been the ones indicted on Jeffrey,
not really indicted, but called out on Jeffrey Epstein, Andrew.
Yeah, you're right.
The main thing is President Trump and the Republicans need to figure out a way
to get the coalition from the 2024 election back together.
The independence, the libertarians.
All the people that have joined in because we need all their votes.
The Republicans do to retain power in 2026.
So it's going to be a real challenge trying to bring this coalition back together.
I think a lot of people are happy with some things.
President Trump has done.
A lot of people are very happy with everything President Trump has done.
But you know, some people are split.
Maybe they still prefer President Trump, but they're not going to be motivated to go out and vote.
We need to get those people motivated to go out and vote in the 2026 election.
So it'd be interesting to see what happens from now until then to try and make that happen
and to bring this coalition back together.
Personally, I'm always a guy that likes radical changes.
So I think maybe President Trump, if he just kind of cleaned house and you know,
changed up his staff quite a bit, maybe that would make some of the detractors happy.
Like he could say, look, these people were getting the job done that they were supposed to.
And maybe his supporters will be happy about that too, because they could say,
well, President Trump's going to pick the best people for the job.
And so if he's not happy with their job, well, I would, you know, he knows best what kind of job they're doing.
So yeah, maybe some staff switchups or something like that to affect some big changes before the 2026 midterms.
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