Joe Rogan Experience _2370 - Dave Smith

0:00The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day A little bit weird. It's weird to be Joe Rogan. You think? Yeah, it's gotta be. It's weird. It's weird to be any person in the public eye, but in this time, it's particularly weird. It's like one of the only people. I mean, the media is so bizarrely compromised. It's so weird when you watch these narratives spin both on the left and on the right. Is anybody fucking rational? Is anybody looking at this so few that a comedian like yourself just rises to the top of the heap? Well, it's funny, dude, because so like since the last time I was on this has been kind of like the knock on me in a way now.

1:02Is there a comedian? You're just a comedian. You're not emotional support. You're not emotional support. What do you have a bean? It feels weird. It feels weird doing this without Doug to be honest. It seems kind of wrong. But that's been like the essentially that's like the knock is like. Yeah, but you're you're acting like you're an expert, but you're just some comedian and it's like. No, that's the point. That's always been the point. Like, yes, I'm just a comedian. I'm not an expert. And and still being not an expert, hand me your favorite war hawk. And I will tear them to shreds because it's actually not that hard. And like these people aren't really experts either. Well, also the problem with that is these people that are talking about these things are talking about people not being experts while they're not. Yeah. There's you know, what does Doug have a degree in English? Yeah, right. Okay. Sam Harris is a neuroscientist. You know, there's all these different people who have, you know, expertise in one area that is pretty much outside geopolitical, you know, world politics and international relations and chaos and war and the military industrial complex.

2:12And like these are very complex, sophisticated, nuanced discussions that you have to have when you're talking about these things, because there's so many different factors at play. There's so much money. There's so much bullshit in terms of like what's the truth? What's the narrative? Who's pushing the narrative? Who's being paid to push the narrative? Which is really weird. There's so many of these fucking online influencers that I don't even think of really human beings that have like prominent accounts. Yep. Yep. But then there's also it's a convenient kind of way to dismiss somebody because of addressing the fact. Well, I thought it was this just I thought was really funny to me was that so like a few days after the last time after me and Douglas Murray debated on the show, he went on Bill Mars show. And so it's like after having this whole thing the whole 45 minutes opening the show about how you comedians don't know what you're talking about. Says don't know what you're talking about while he's smearing two people who he's never heard of and doesn't even know what they do or whatever, but not the best way to make an appeal to expertise.

3:17But no, he doesn't have a problem with Bill Marr doing it because he agrees with them. So the issue isn't really being an expert versus being a comedian. You know, Constantin Kassin went on this whole thing about expertise and all of this and it's like he also started as a comedian. Why all of a sudden does this standard only apply to me and only when I'm talking about Israel? It never it never applied to me when I was talking about COVID. It never applied to me when they agreed with me on stuff. They would just go look Dave breaking it down. But now there's this one topic that one guy is not allowed to not be an expert on. And it happens to be this one topic that the entire like population is turning on. I shouldn't say the entire but like huge numbers. When someone attacks like what you do professionally versus versus what you're actually saying. Yeah. Yeah. Why not just dispute what he's saying instead of like this appeal to authority. Right. You're not an expert. But also, you know, to ask that question is to answer that question.

4:17You can only ask me a few things in life that I can give you like definitive answers on. And even then I might have to refer to expert. You want to ask me about judo. Kevin doing jujitsu for since 90. I think I started in 97 somewhere around then. 96 maybe. I don't know shit about judo. I know how to do a few hip tosses. But when someone is doing something, I don't even know what it's called. If I go harrogoshi. I might get it wrong because harrogoshi might be legs on the outside versus leg on the inside. Wrestling. I got it deferred to DC. Even in martial arts. I'm not totally an expert. Yeah. And then there might be somebody who is like totally an expert's like like say, you know, a wrestler who went to the Olympics. Right. And with like total expert or coach or something like that total expert in wrestling. And they could still get something about MMA completely off or juts. Because it happened in the last fight in the last UFC card.

5:20Daniel Cormier didn't know about the dead orchard. So he thought this person was fine because they had two arms in while they're caught in a triangle. I go, no, this is a real submission. This is fucking dangerous. There's this guy Nathan orchard who figured out how to do a triangle with two arms in. And it's replicable. A lot of guys do it now. And I think it was a lady at the last UFC had it. And I was like, oh shit. And Daniel didn't know it yet. There's a couple other things like the buggy choke. If you don't know about Shijitsu and you see a guy who's on his back and he's getting smothered. But all of a sudden he reaches under with his leg and I'm going, oh, oh, oh. And you don't know what's going on. Like that's a fucking choke. Like a really dangerous one. Ty Ruotolo gets you in that your fucksville. You know, there's guys. So it's like there's areas of expertise even in areas that I'm an expert in that I have to call on other people. Like this is a stupid argument. Like what are the facts? Does that submission work? Is that genocide? Right. What is, you know, what's going on?

6:21Where are you funding Hamas? Is is Hezbollah a proxy of Iran? Did Iran get the money to do this when Biden released the funds? Because what? Who's who's allowed to be an expert on all these things? Yeah. And then of course there are then there are things like say, say like, do you support lockdowns? And like in order to have say an expert opinion on this policy, it's like, okay, well, you'd be like, they'd say we're following the science. So in other words, they have an epidemiologist or something like that who's arguing lockdowns will cut down on the transmission of the virus. I don't forget they turned out to be wrong, but leaving that aside, you're like, okay, but are they also an economist? Are they also a specialist in sociologists as specialist in childhood development who would tell you what closing the school? Oh, who's the person who has expertise in every single one of those fields? Doesn't exist. There isn't an expert in all of those fields. You know what I mean? That was the problem with that time because that time everyone was so fearful.

7:23And the news is pushing fear. And it was clearly a narrative. I forget who it was, but some health official was being interviewed recently and he said during 2020 that Anthony Fauci said to him, the problem is Americans aren't scared enough, which is crazy to say. It's a wild thing to say that your goal is to make people more fearful. So you're trying to put out a narrative that makes people more fearful, which by the way, fucks with your immune system in a gigantic way, not good at all to be scared. I don't know how many people got really, really, really sick from COVID because when they got it, they freaked the fuck out and they couldn't sleep and they thought they were going to die and they were riddled with anxiety. And that makes you attack people around you. And then you look for a solution. And when these trusted institutions, which up until five fucking years ago, I was 100% on board with everything with vaccines, with every medical innovation other than psychiatric medications,

8:23which I think are pretty much overprescribed. All of a sudden, everyone's like hoping these people have the answer. So anybody was like, but this is kind of Jay Badahtari, you know, he's also an expert. Don't fuck you, fuck you. It's like anti-science, trust the science, COVID denier, vaccine denier. It's just became this fearful risk because everybody just responded to the fucking media because everybody's too tuned in to all of this negative shit, man, all day long. Well, you have to scare people. If you want to implement like a tyrannical policy, you almost always have to scare people. I mean, that's the only way. Now, everyone knows, like you just said, being terrified is not good for your health. On a human level, we also all know that it's not good for good decision-making, but it is excellent for, I will turn my brain off and give the authority to you. Yes. So go do, I mean, look, it was right after 9-11. If you, you know, people forget about this, but like the level to which Dick Cheney and George W Bush used to fear Monger, Dick Cheney, the vice president of the United States of America, who is a bit more than just your average vice president, he said, it's not a matter of if, but when there will be another 9-11 attack, they built that they were trying to tell the American people right after 9-11 to be in a constant state of fear.

9:46Do you remember the COVID warnings where they had colors or excuse me, the war, the terror warning where they had colors, the threat level or whatever color. And then one day they'd be like, it's up to yellow. And I mean, we were really still traumatized from 9-11, but the thing about it is is that they knew what they wanted to do. They knew the policy they wanted to start embarking on. And it was the mix of the big lie, which was they hate us for our freedom, which was like really the big lie after 9-11 was like because the American people very organically wanted to know what the beef was like 9-11 happened. Everybody was like, yeah, why do they hate us? What's this beef about? And their answer was they hate you for your freedom. And by the way, this is going to happen again. So be terrified. Second off, understand that they're so irrational that their beef with you is that like your grandma can go to the grocery store. So what do you do with that other than say what the American people said, which is George W. Bush, you have a blank check to go attack whoever you want to and will support you.

10:49Yeah, I remember feeling that way. I remember feeling that way. Right. I remember feeling it's up to these fucking guys, these hard-nosed generals and military leaders that are these are the guys that are going to protect you. We got to put all our faith in them. This shit is real. And it's going on. But I had no idea. This is so 2001. I wasn't that much of a conspiracy theorist. I was into UFOs. I was into bigfoot. I was in a stupid shit. I was into fun stupid shit. Me and Eddie Bravo would get high and watch space documentaries and freak out about aliens. The stupid shit. But then the Patriot Act came along. And I was like, okay, what the fuck is this? What is indefinite detention mean when they signed the NDA? Wait a minute. What are you talking about? When is the month? What it rhymes with the act that Obama passed in 2015 that allowed them to use censorship or excuse me propaganda on American citizens?

11:50Yeah, yeah. I want to say like that. It's like, okay. But it would point in time. Do I start getting really fucking suspicious? Yep. Yeah. I had read one book a long time ago that really fucked me up. This book called Best Evidence about the Kennedy assassination. And unfortunately I read it right before I went on stage. I was I was by myself. I was in Philadelphia. And I was headlining. And this is like when I was just starting to headline, right? And so how to show Thursday killed everything's great went back to my hotel room. Nothing to do. Read this fucking book for like six hours. Freak the fuck out. Showed up at the show like Ashen face like, oh my god, they killed the president. Like I had never even considered that before that book. I never even thought that there's like secret government agencies that plot against the president. Like I thought that's the fucking man and everybody works together and Lee Harvey was not neat fucking Sean. I'm like, oh my god. And I bombed. I fucking bombed and I apologized to the staff. I apologized to the manager. I go listen. I fucked up and I read this book right before I got here. And it really fucked me up. It's done that before man. I've had you need when you have your mind blown like that.

13:04You need time after that before you make it funny. Oh, like it takes it takes time to like then almost come back to it a few months later. Engage in that kind of stuff like right before you go on stage. It's terrible. Yeah. Anything real and ominous and do so I had a second show and I went great. But I was like, okay, I can't ever do that again. But that started me. But that was just peripheral. It was just the JFK thing. I thought it was only interested in that. I didn't get into Nixon. I didn't get into Vietnam. I didn't get into any of that stuff. But September 11, 2001 in the beginning, it was wonderful. After the attack, everyone was so friendly. It's terrible that this thing happened. It's terrible that these people died. But it made me think like we need every now and then we need to get bitch slapped. You know, it's like when you see people like getting in people's faces for like wavet in an American bag, fuck you fascist. Like a bitch slap every now and then like that guy might go fuck him. What was I doing? I just ran up to that veteran and I got in this face because I want to impress my lesbian girlfriend.

14:08Fuck is wrong with me. I don't have a fight. I'm now I got a concussion and this guy bitch slapped me. It's on TikTok. Fuck. You know, like you need that sometimes just as like a course reset. And I felt like as a country, we in been doing shady shit all around the world forever. And there's real war happening everywhere, but we're super lucky because we're separated by oceans and not too much has really happened here. Oh my God, this is real. And everybody had an American flag on their fucking car. And when I was in New York City afterwards, we were filming Fear Factor one day. And everyone was so cool. And firemen were rock stars. Yeah, cops were rock stars. Everybody was thanking them. Everybody was thanking them for their service. It was great. We hung out with these firemen in front of this bar. And the fear factor crew, these guys were fucking it's like I was hanging out with Brad Pitt was nuts. Everybody was so thankful. Where'd that go? Yeah, I was there. I was in New York City on 9 11 and I remember. So I was in in Brooklyn. Like only a few miles from the World Trade Center. And like, did you physically see it? No, I saw. So I remember seeing.

15:18You know, I think so I when I got out of school, I was in high school. I was a senior in high school. And we we got out. One of the girls like forged a note said it was from our parents or something like that. I forget exactly how we got out. I was friends with the security guard. I used to buy weed from them. There's a different time. But you know, it's a different time. 3 9 11. We were just all hanging out buying weed from security guards at schools. But so he let us out. So I remember we I'm pretty sure when we came to flat busch have we saw like it was there was smoke in the air, but both the towers had had fallen by the time we got out. But there were people. So the subways had been out for a while. And where I was I was like on flat busch Avenue if anyone knows Brooklyn's like flat busch and seventh Avenue. So this is like it's kind of a straight shoot down to the Manhattan bridge. And then the Brooklyn bridge is is down there. And so at this point already people who were down in the financial district had just decided to walk back to Brooklyn because they realize they weren't going to get a cab or get on the subway. And so you'd see just like one guy in a suit and tie covered in so head to toe.

16:21Like walking up like oh he must have just been down there and walked up. And but I remember now this is in Brooklyn. But even there is very busy. But people were stopping and asking each other. People who you would pass on the street but never talk to were stopping and asking everyone has your family everyone okay. All right. Are you fine. Like there was this like community spirit that you just didn't you don't typically get in New York City. There's just too many people you can't talk to everybody. Yeah. But that that part of it was kind of beautiful. And then of course governments do what they do and immediately manipulated that into launching wars that they wanted from before 9-11 that had absolutely nothing to do with with 9-11. Yeah. Which is you know also the Patriot Act was a bunch of shit they had tried to pass. For a while for years and everyone's like what are you fucking crazy. Well this is the thing and I guess maybe it's partly like my age because I was 18 at the time and this is like my coming of age you know time. But I will never stop being furious about all of that shit. And this is like still to this day. I'm sure you you see it when I'm on podcasts with you and doing debates and stuff.

17:24I'm so angry over the war in Iraq and the subsequent wars and you know Libya and Syria and Somalia and Yemen and all of them but specifically because like all these guys the neo conservatives the the N word that I'm not supposed to bring up. Even by the way. Dr. Smiley wrote a book called neo conservatism why we need it but when I say the word neo conservatism be careful what you're watering here or something like that. Is that what they said? They I didn't know that this was an issue that you can't discuss neo conservatism well that's Douglas said when I was on with him he said the N word. When I brought it up and then said I'm watering something because I mentioned wolf wets well okay so that's anti-Semitism raised right into well that's kind of ridiculous yes you're talking about something incredibly important well like the neo conservatism. But why would that be a thing that you can't discuss well that's crazy the rivalries the marching bands the upset Saturdays just got way more fun college football is back.

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19:35age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction boy an Ontario bonus bets expires seven days after issuance for additional terms and responsible gaming resources cdkng dot co slash audio. Well I mean I'd say the answer is that those guys got into power they really hijacked American foreign policy after 9 11 because they happen to all be in power in the Bush administration the 9 11 happened on their watch and but if you go back and read the shit they read and I will never stop talking about this because it's just to goddamn crazy but if you read all of these guys the guys who were in the George W. Bush administration I mean like the signatories on the project for a new American century which was their think tank the pinak as it's called we're like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz and and five and Richard Pearl and David Worms are in list the whole group took over the government were all and they wrote explicitly in the project for a new American century that they were like look okay the Soviet Union is collapsed we are for the first time in human history like the lone superpower in the world so what we should do right now is fight multiple wars

20:41because no one threatens us and so therefore we should fight multiple wars to right now we have an opportunity to remake the world overthrow the old Soviet sock puppet states install our own states there and guarantee as the name says the new American century of dominance the 21st century and they specifically said they want to overthrow Saddam Hussein and then they specifically said in and now this is something that the 9 11 truth is really held on to I'm not sure I think they might be over playing their hand a little bit here but they said there's one document in the project for a new American century you can find it online where they straight up say they go now look this is what we want to do but we're unlikely to get mass American support for it short of another pearl harbor type event and so a lot of people like Alex Jones and a lot of the 9 11 truth there's would point to this phrase and go see this is the proof that they knew they needed another pearl harbor so they planned their own pearl harbor now that is not necessarily true it doesn't necessarily prove that but it certainly does change the way you think about their mind state when they sit there watching the towers get attacked and they all at the very least they all went we got it you know Alex Jones predicted 9 11 in July

21:57yeah but that's not quite as it's not quite as unique as I think some people think it is really well like people so like you hear how he said it yeah I've heard I've heard the clip is pretty good I mean I'm not like taking anything away from that he was right but there were a bunch of people who predicted it Ron Paul himself predicted it perfectly pretty planes into the towers let's just say no I don't know about that that is pretty impressed but at the same time you know the planes that never flown into towers before that's true but the World Trade Center was attacked by al Qaeda guys in 93 big song yeah that's right that's right yeah Adrian Apollucci has the funniest joke about that I believe said do you ever hear Adrian's joke about that yeah I don't want to butcher it on your show but Adrian Apollucci is hilarious comedian but she had a joke about how you know in that song or big he goes time to get paid blow up like the World Trade but they bleep World Trade now and then her bit is how they didn't bleep like he was talking about the first one but they bleep it because of the second you know the towers came down but then her bit is just like you go like that wasn't enough of a tragedy to make it

23:00bleeped it's like a fight like only a few people died like it was cool but they know a lot of people died they were she's phenomenal joke right art well as a different time back then they would have never bleeped anything they didn't bleep the N word they didn't believe anything yeah it was there was a the Wild West well it's weird when you hear about so I don't know if I fully buy into any of this but as a caveat before I get rolling but when people discuss the intelligence agencies and their role in hip hop especially gangster rap like I remember the very first time I listened to NWA and I think I told ice cube when he was here I was on a fucking stare master in revere massive shoots and I was listening to fuck the police like fuck the police come and straight from the underground I was like what is this this is I was a cassette walk man or maybe it was a CD but it was probably a cassette walk man and I was like doing get my cardio they were better for working out they didn't skip the those they got good with the CD

24:04after a while didn't skip but you had to set it on you had to set it on the treadmill and you had to hit that like shock mood and then that would eat your batteries so quickly though like you get three songs in and be like all right you have to go to the gym with like spare batteries to me it was so insane that I could carry music with me to the gym like that's incredible because you go to the gym and it'd be like the worst poison song plan no disrespect to poison or something like God I can't get into this I'm trying to get pumped here man this is fucking bullshit music like someone's in charge of the you know the station that they pick on the radio just to be able to carry it but that moment of hearing that music I was like this is the this is celebrating crime and murder like this is nuts and murdering prostitutes and like what this is crazy that this is like a major record label put this out and I was only 21 and I was you know I was sitting there going I can't even believe this is real and then I got really into it like a really in the ice cube really into iced tea I'd listen to that when I was delivering newspapers it was like gangster rap was like a completely

25:11different thing so then cut to when people start digging into it like intelligence agencies have had there's a weird book on intelligence agencies and their role in rock and roll music in the 1960s the movie about the book about Laurel Canyon what is it strange things it's very interesting I don't know if I buy it Eddie Brabos all in on it I don't know if I buy it but there's a lot of like weird connections to the intelligence community and music particularly hip hop and particularly gangster rap and if you want to get really dark you would say if you want to fill your private prisons up what better way than have very popular music encouraging prisons or excuse me encouraging crime encouraging outright celebrating crime and violence that way you fill your prisons up and you also keep people scared so you can give them more laws and more rules and crack down and make them easier to play k easier to get them to fall in line and do what you need them to do yeah and and support massive

26:18police buildups and massive you know like militarization of the police and all this stuff and I don't know you know I've heard a little bit about that I really don't know I know ice cube is talked about it before like talks about how like there's undeniably this influence it does there are some things about it that seem crazy but I do know that and I don't even think this is a controversial thing to say I think this is just like fact at this point that it was the Reagan administration who did traffic in cocaine to the United States of America while they were ramping up the war on drugs so like they're bringing in percent in their effort to help the contras or whatever they're going like okay well these guys are our drug dealers so if we move these drugs in we can get these money shipments to them and then you're sitting in there they're creating the conditions for the crack epidemic to explode and then they catch one guy with a few rocks on him and they're throwing him in jail for decades it's like just that alone just that one piece of information you'd almost if you're like in a sane world you'd go

27:19like oh so the people had a revolution and overthrew that government and publicly hung all the politicians involved and then we started over from new and you're like just I know no they lionize that guy still for decades afterwards the Republicans at the RNC you bring up Reagan and they go are here a Ronald Reagan like the fact that that isn't enough to go well this guy should be remembered like as a monster do you think they tell Reagan that they're selling crack in the hood I don't know I do not I don't do not think the intelligence agencies let that information that far up the chain to a guy who's only in there for four years for you to get reelected fair enough not a chance but George HW Bush definitely now he's a bad guy he's a bad guy he's fucking he could sign the docket back I was all over that he was all over he was ahead of the CIA he was their guy he was the head of the CIA moved in right so you know but but again also you get to a certain point when you're present I think this applies to Donald Trump in a lot of ways too where it's like it's your responsibility like if you didn't know then that's your responsibility for not

28:21I don't think you have an access I do not I do not think in cases like that you have access I think if they're doing something like selling crack in the hood and using the money to fund the conscious there's no fucking way you could ever kosherize that so I don't think you ever let the president know I think this is all black funded I don't think I think there's layers and layers and layers of bureaucracy before you can get to any real data and information if you want to talk about people that are doing operations in Nicaragua you've got things going on Niran you've got to pay attention to Russia this is happening you that's happening there there's not a fucking chance he knows they're selling crack to pay for an army I just don't yeah you might tell them look you might be right about that because why would they assume that he'd go along with it or tell him this is not a normal thing to do I I came into this office thinking I'm an actor yeah I'm Ronald Reagan I came into this office thinking I'm gonna be a good American and we're gonna get back to basics

29:22and hard work and trickle down economics and you're telling me you're selling crack hey fucking you're going to jail you know yeah well because he can't that's how Nixon got caught so Nixon didn't organize the watergate he tried to cover it up yep that's how he got caught and they would do the same thing with Reagan yeah well it's a complete about all the crack selling well right well they they could present it to them after it's a fate of complete and then be like so what do you want to do now which is what happened with Nixon right so it's like right this is going to look really really bad good luck explaining this right so he helps them cover it up and then you go now we got you we got you now you might as well have been in on planning it because you helped us cover it up and the whole thing was set up by the government yeah it's really crazy is intelligence agency set up watergate they they operated it Bob Woodward was an intelligence agent before he was ever a reporter that was his first gig Tucker Carlson told me that if you my fucking mind he's like what rookie reporter for their first gig their first story gets you're gonna take down the most popular president in US history yeah he's won by the biggest march 49 states yeah he's just a

30:28dominant real it the American people had spoken they supported this guy and then right Bob Woodward some 20 something year old reporter he gets the biggest story in American history he happened to just come out of naval intelligence and oh we heard coincidence did I tell you what Bill Murray told me no so Bill Murray was on the podcast and he's talking about Bob Woodward's movie yes I book he wrote right what it was it uh what was it called well he's written a lot at this point but the one about blue she what was it called it was all it was all I didn't know why it why it okay it was just about blue should be in fucking crazy drug addict he goes that's not my friend he goes that's not how he was he was like that was kind of an act he was a little bit of a lightweight like if he had like two three drinks he was drunk like he was I think he did that speedball I think that's the first time you ever did it and died it's not that he never done drugs with everybody wasn't this guy so this was all fiction so he read the first five pages is oh my god they frame Nixon yeah isn't that crazy I know like this guy wrote about my friend in such a distorted

31:35untruthful way now I have to think about what he discovered with Nixon yeah now I know what kind of person this is yeah I my uh uh good friend who I mentioned quite a bit but Scott Horton who is the I think the best foreign policy voice in the United States of America and he's written he wrote the best book on the terror wars called enough already in the best book on the war in Ukraine called provoked but so while so Bob Woodward's latest book came out and I remember he told me about this but so he just happened to be writing his book on Ukraine when he saw this new Bob Woodward book came out and they had a quote in it I believe it was a Sergei Lavrov quote who's like Putin's you know right hand man and Scott said he's reading it and he goes this quote's all wrong he goes the the actual quote like I was he was just researching this for his book and he goes the quote means the exact opposite of what he's claiming it means here like see how he left out this part he wasn't referring to this he was referring to that and that he just I remember he just told me he goes like so for the record like you can just never trust anything Bob Woodward says because he'll take this quote and just get it come mangle it to the point where it he's presenting it as if

32:39it means 180 degrees opposite of what the quote actually meant and so yeah there's a lot of stuff like that and then that guy is like the historian of record would you have ever imagined that when all the years when I was growing up that guy was like a hero he was like a journalistic hero well and he's how we know he's how you know that in that moment Dick Cheney turned to George W. Bush and said Mr. President I think we need to and then you're like oh but he just makes shit up oh god like when I was a kid you know they made a movie about him all the president's man is a movie where who plays Bob Woodward what movie star plays Bob Woodward which one of them was it Robert Redford or was it the other guy who's who else was in that movie with them who played Bernstein Dustin Hansen right that's right Robert Redford's Woodward yeah so imagine that your your Bob Woodward you bullshit everybody and then you get to watch Robert Redford the most handsome man alive for you to movie like I was standing look how good

33:42looking I am and they could make kick and ask for America but also just think about how much they could get I remember I don't know what I I was in school and I remember hearing like my history teacher talking to another teacher and this was when Bill Clinton was getting in trouble for Monica Lewinsky I was like in middle school or whatever and I remember here on them talk and one of them said to the other he goes so what do you think about the impeachment or something and I remember my history teacher I thought was a pretty smart guy and he goes you know they're treating him like he's Nixon but he's not Nixon and essentially with that meant like what he was saying was like well Nixon is the most corrupt president whoever lived Bill Clinton just got caught cheating on his wife like that's not as big a deal as being the most corrupt but they just made that like the thing that everybody knows like well we did have this one corrupt president but the system works it works the lesson the system works and it got him out of there before the internet works I think it's like very hard to make that saying system work the same way no I completely I mean to say

34:46that the narrative that everybody accepted was like oh but the system works like it figured out that he was corrupt they had him step down they got him out of there when really the answer is much more like the intelligence agencies took over the United States of America in a hostile coup against John F. Kennedy and then Nixon comes in like a few years later and is like essentially taken over as well but they get the American people to believe that like what that was was a corrupt president being ousted this episode is brought to you by zippercruder there is such a thing is having too many options to choose from like when you're scrolling on the TV trying to find something to watch or have you been to one of those ice cream shops where they have hundreds of different toppings to choose from it's overwhelming the same thing can happen when you're hiring and you get inundated with applications well it's time to stop stressing and use zippercruder instead their innovative resume database can help you find and connect with the best people for your role try it

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36:53Larry Holmes couldn't get any love couldn't get any love and one of the reasons why Larry Holmes is one of the best heavyweight champions of all time couldn't get any love is because he beat the fuck out of Muhammad Ali and everybody was sad and everybody hated him because of that and you just you're you're never like if you're nixon you're following JFK who got shot in the fucking head we lost we got to assassinate that someone assassinated the greatest president of all time this good looking guy who was gonna really change things and didn't believe in secrecy and was talking to the American people like we have hope and dreams he wants to put us on the moon and he got shot in the head now we got this ugly fuck well there was lbj in between there at least but yes no i mean a little bit well i think also in hindsight he just his he he it's not he wasn't that good looking he also came off is kind of well it's gonna say he's also very authoritarian yeah you know which is unfortunately when you have a society where you do have

37:53you big with his crime you do need some kind of an authoritarian leadership not saying you need tyranny not saying needed dictator but you need fucking laws and you need rule of law and sometimes those people come off very harsh and very uncaring and unloving and you know that's total opposite for like the reason why people voted for Jimmy Carter i think because Jimmy Carter represented like like a genuinely sweet good guy right but like look out that president he was a disaster because they were all working against him for sure and on top of that it's like hard to like you kind of gotta be a bit of a hardass if you want to run the world but the way Nixon did it we're still suffering through that today that motherfucker he's partially responsible for that sweeping schedule one act of 1970 when they did that and they made everything illegal everything schedule one including things that are 100 percent medicinal like marijuana all that fucked up

38:58society and they did it specifically to target the anti-war movement and to target the civil rights movement specifically so it's not like Nixon was the best oh no oh he did was fucking horrible Nixon had a lot of policy failures and and I would put the number one and I completely agree with you I mean launching the war on drugs was a disaster but taking us off the gold standard was one of the worst policy decisions in the history of the United States of America that is we're we're so many of the problems we face now is because of that and people could say like I've heard Pat you can and defend Nixon on this before Pat you can was in the Nixon administration it was a speech writer form and he was like well look what were we gonna do at that point and so he was basically saying because what happened was essentially so you had like the the Bretton Woods agreement which started started after World War II or actually I'm sorry it started at the very end of World War II was in 1944 where they had the Bretton Woods agreement where they could kind of see where World War II was going and it was basically like okay well the all of Europe is destroyed and a lot of

40:04Asia is destroyed it or not yet I guess this 44 but it was getting there and the and America had you know at least on the homeland hadn't really been touched and we had like a wild amount of the world's gold and so the deal was essentially that like we will peg the dollar to gold at 35 dollars an ounce everyone else can peg their currency to the dollar and then the dollars are refundable you know you can get an ounce for 35 dollars and so that you know was whatever there were problems with the Bretton Woods agreement but that was what stood from after World War II in so from 1944 to 1973 or 1971 when he took us off the gold standard and so essentially what happened was through the 60s we started cheating and it became very obvious to the world that we are like you know the 1960s you're like you have the great society so we created Medicare and Medicaid and they we went to the moon and we are fighting the war in Vietnam and we're just

41:07printing money for all of this which is you know what we still do to this day but so essentially the Europeans started looking at us and they were like I don't think you got enough gold to cover all these dollars that you're printing around what's that thing with you were going to like do an audit of Fort Knox that well we never heard about well what I know is that I pretty sure it was the French might have been the British to it was definitely the French and the French basically called and they just went okay we'll take gold yeah we got all these dollars we'll take gold we get announced for every 35 dollars that we have and we have quite a lot and that's when Nixon went no he just basically defaulted in front of the entire world and he said he's temporarily suspending the convertibility of dollars into gold and they framed it as like you know the French are attacking the stability of the dollar really all they were doing was calling us on our agreement we we owed it to him well I we got so much gold bro so Papu can and says defending his

42:09boy Richard Nixon he goes well what were we gonna do at that point let him clean us out of all of our gold and just not be the dominant but I think the retort to that is yeah like that's what you should have done because the decision to go off of the gold standard essentially just said well now there's no more even pretend limits on government you know this is why Ron Paul who happy birthday to the greatest living American here I'm just turned just turned 90 and I was just at his birthday party a few weeks ago and damn you you you party in with Ron Paul party dude that dude throws it down now I'm just kidding it was it was very nice though see him Tulsi Gabbard was there which was cool but so so essentially right that was the last restraint on government is that at least even then even under Bretton Woods when we're cheating at least there's some feeling of like well don't cheat too bad because they could maybe try to you know like right exactly yeah but after that it was off to the races and this is why this is what why Ron Paul ran for Congress it was when

43:11Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard and then he was like this is gonna lead to big government this is gonna be the era of big government so he was gonna run to try to stop that and he was completely right you know this is what has really destroyed everything is that there's just no and it's a big part of the reason why I'm so angry about all these wars too because it's all related you know the federal reserve was created in 1913 or the Federal Reserve Act was signed into law by Woodrow Wilson in 1913 and then in 1914 I think is when it actually got up and running and in 1914 is when the income tax was passed also signed into law by Woodrow Wilson and three years later is World War One you know like three years or American entry into World War One so it's like this is the the banking system and the tax system are very like interrelated with the warfare state like you need this stuff in order to fight wars and you know even just over the whatever it's over the last 25 years we've spent close to ten trillion dollars on wars you know and they don't they

44:18they didn't tax the American people for that as they know they couldn't tax us enough to pay we would put an end to it if they tried to raise everybody's taxes enough to come up with ten trillion dollars because we want to go fight regime change wars all over the Middle East the American people would have been like no we're not doing that but they didn't do that they kept taxes where they were I think they even cut some rates during those years top rates and then they borrowed the rest and that's they still couldn't borrow enough so they just print the money and then essentially what happens is that the price of everything just goes up and up and up and that you just put more money into the system and then people start looking around and going like geez why is the price of housing and healthcare and energy and childcare are totally unaffordable and the answer is because you're paying for the war in Iraq and nobody thinks about it like that but that's really what's going on they can't so for all the young people who are coming out of college now and they're like I'm 150 grand in debt I have a gender studies major degree or whatever you know maybe something better than that but they got an English degree or something and they're working at door dash and the

45:23average house is going for 600 grand and they're like what am I possibly going to do it's like the reason why these kids are all demanding socialism at least on the left is because like what else are you going to do with like how do you leave but the reason why that is the case is because your government decided to spend trillions of dollars on blowing up brown countries and in some cases then rebuilding them to blow them up again I mean this is this is the actual cost of the thing and I feel like it's almost nobody outside of like the wrong Paul libertarians the Austrian economics guys almost nobody else ever makes this connection that it's like this is the deal you can't be a world empire without having a central bank that can print money for you because otherwise it just doesn't work resources are finite and you'll run out of them and so you can't do that without having this monetary system but the cost of this monetary system is that prices always go up and up and up and up and up and that rigs the entire economy against the working class and the

46:26middle class in favor of the rich it's just the way it is when when the value of assets is going up and up and up and up that's great if you own stuff that's great if you own stuff and you're selling it if you got a billion dollars in the bank inflation is your best friend but if you're on a fixed income or you're a working class person it just destroys you and then and everybody who's working class knows this just from living through the last five years but you know you grocery prices go up 30 percent that is you know that's that's you know people have this idea that there's like economic issues over here and then there's like social issues over here there's far in policy over here but it's all one thing you know the prices of groceries go up by 30 percent and families get destroyed men swallow pistols kids grow up without fathers and that's the cost of this shit and that's what we're living through now and what we'll continue to live through as long as we have a government that it spends way beyond our means like uh Dr. Ron Paul used to say when you spend beyond your means you're destined to live beneath your means and we have an economy

47:30that's built around doing the exact same thing it's always done right and if you think about the amount of money just just like just in shuttering us aid like think about the amount of money whether you agree with us aid or not the amount of money that was being pumped through that system like to all sorts of weird places right there's the when the Department of Energy gave out 39 or 93 billion dollars in loans in the months between Biden losing or Kamala losing rather and trying to take office like where's that there's so many of these instances of insane amounts of money just being allocated while when 39 trillion dollars in debt it's like it it's so unmanageable and yet it just keeps marching on and people are upset if you try to pull a bandit off like the idea of shuttering some of these government organizations all you hear about is people are going

48:30to die people are going to starve this is going to happen that's going to happen are you fucking sure you sure that this isn't a giant money sucking scam that's been going on it does some good yeah well there's that's most of it right yeah well like number one yeah if you if you go hey I think which by the way no one in congress I mean short of like Thomas Massey maybe maybe Rand Paul but like no one else in congress is even like suggesting an ideal so so radical but if I were to throw out the radical idea that we should go back to pre pandemic level spending so go all the way back to the crazy year of 2019 when it was anarchy or whatever that was just they'll all tell you the world's going to end if we do that yeah and even when they're making up these absolutely ridiculous you know claims about how many people are going to die if you cut government spending which is all totally absurd um but then they never seem to go like well how many people are going to die if I keep letting DC have all these war making powers how many how many people are going to die if the president is able to fund a proxy war whenever he wants to

49:35and I mean look at this shit dude I took I took so much uh you know whatever I'm not but I took a lot of heat for the stuff I said on on the show here a few years ago about the war in Ukraine look at it now dude look at even and I don't think they're about to end the thing I think they're which we could talk about but I think they're putting poison pills in these negotiations already so what it looks like to me but literally the deal that I was talking to you about whatever it was three years ago when I was saying on the show that they had a deal worked out a peace deal worked out in the first few months of the war in 22 and Boris Johnson went and killed the peace deal on behalf of the west to make sure this war kept going but the deal that was that was in pencil not pen that that Boris Johnson killed was essentially um recognition of uh the annexation of Crimea uh it was at the time it wasn't uh annexation of the Donbass region it was like independence for the Donbass region and then the agreement that the rest of Ukraine would not join NATO that was the deal that

50:38they had worked out and look at where we are now now the deal that they're even talking about even as Donald Trump goes there's gonna be some lands swaps and all this okay well what's he talking the deal right now that is the best case scenario that that we're hoping we could get is that Vladimir obviously keeps Crimea keeps the entire Donbass region gets a corridor from the south into Crimea and the rest of Ukraine doesn't join NATO so we have the same deal just a little bit more in the Russians favor three years later with hundreds of thousands of people having died in that process just to get back to not as good a deal as they had in 22 and so you know and if they don't sign that they'll keep going which I think it's probably going to um they're enlisting people's old to 60 now yeah and they have been for like a full year at least and the rowing people up there and the thing that's really changed the reason why the like the Europeans and Zelensky and and they're at least pretending to come to the negotiation table right now um which they don't say but this is this is

51:41the truth is that support for the war amongst Ukrainians has collapsed I mean not like gone down by a few points it's collapsed there is just a piece in this the other day it was a gallop I believe they said they had a their latest poll super majorities of the Ukrainian people 70% around want an immediate end to the war with negotiations on lands what like with like let's settle it however we got to settle it they don't I remember for the first two years of the thing everybody who I argued with about the war in Ukraine they're talking point would always be the Ukrainian people want to fight and who are you Dave to tell them that they don't have a right to defend themselves and then I would respond by saying like yes it's true that Ukrainian people want to fight but like might that have something to do with the blank check that they've received from the world and the backup of the entire world you know it's it's it's just it's a different proposition to go like do you want to fight if John Jones is at your back and goes I got your back

52:42dude let's go fuck these guys up you're like hell yeah I want to fight but then John Jones leaves I might be like ah it's talk about this you know like but so that but that would but now the Ukrainian people don't want to fight and by the way I never believed any of that because I don't you know I have my own libertarian views on things and I'm like if you're telling me the people want to fight like well why do you got to conscript an army then you know like if they want to fight so bad well you got to put a gun to their head and force them to the front line like you could yeah you could just make it a voluntary force and then we'll find out real quick who wants to fight but the the point is now that even the Ukrainians don't want to fight over this stuff anymore so there's just no justification for it so now they move to to phase b which is essentially to pretend like they're negotiating but putting all types of poison pills in the deal so that you know the other side won't take it this is what they did with a round too this is why we we got into that 12-day war as they're calling it now but you know it's like you put things into the I was just reading the other day it was on Axios there's reports that the Zalinsky and and the Europeans

53:49are like open to land swaps as long as there's as in their words in the Axios piece article five like security guarantees so in other words the rest of ukraine's in NATO which is the thing that calls the whole conflict to begin with so like yeah and you know what that means article five article five is a article in in NATO in the NATO agreement that says that like it says that like if one of the countries is attacked like all the countries have to join together to help it doesn't exactly say you got to go to war over it but it's like you have to help in the effort if they're attacked so essentially that's what they're trying to ask now which is but if you think about it right it's designed to incentivize Putin to keep the war going because if you're telling Vladimir Putin let's just say which it's not exactly clear that he would even take the deal that I just laid out before but it was I know that it's been reported that he was it was being signaled that he might be open to that deal I get the Donbass region you know he's got still um it like the Donbass region is

54:54done-esque and and luhansk and in luhansk I think as of right now I think the Russians control like 75% of it they got all of done-esque they got most of luhansk but there's still Ukrainians controlling part of it and then he's controlling part of these territories in the south so this is what Trump means when he says the landswops meaning essentially you get out of the Donbass region give me that and I'll give you back you know the landswops are Putin taking what he wants and leaving you the rest but um if you're going to tell Vladimir Putin who fought this entire war over Ukrainian entry into NATO being his red line basically in the middle of the ort in the middle of the as the war is potentially wrapping up you're going to tell him hey whatever territory you don't take here will be a part of NATO well what does that incentivize him to do take more of it then then why that why would you stop and give the rest of it up and it does seem to me like that's that is clearly at least from the Europeans that is clearly the motivation of all of this is to is to present something it's it's you know they do have their chess war moves and so you present

55:56something that you know the other side can't agree to and then when they don't agree to it you go look we tried to negotiate and he just wouldn't take us up on this and so what can you do oh god you know how the problem with these conflicts and war in general is that people always want to pretend that there's one side that's good and one side that's bad you know and obviously Putin's the bad guy right because they started the war started killing people in Ukraine but there's so many factors that are going on and then there's also the long history of corruption that Ukraine has always had and then there's also the weird deals that they were making with the Biden family the control all the different it was it was natural gas and there's an incredible supplies of rare earth minerals it's like really valuable valuable territory you know there's this incentive to create some sort of there was they were going to try to like I think part of the

57:03plan was like get off of Russian power and make Ukrainian power like central and then whatever they were making over there the amount of power I forget what the number was they said but it's like trillions of dollars in natural gas minerals all these different things we're supposed to pretend that that's not also a part of the motivation like it didn't even Trump say something about a deal that they were doing with Ukraine that involved yeah he got sucked into this talk about the rare earth minerals stuff and you know it's Donald Trump it's like his weakness because he you know there's a lot of great things about yeah there's a lot of great things about coming from a business background but then there's like the weakness of it is that he's always attracted by like you're like hey Gaza could be beachfront property you know it is like oh you can just see him like come alive with these ideas yeah it's always this stuff but then the problem is that you know and look I've been very harsh on Donald Trump over the last few months but I think he deserves it and I think

58:04this administration is failing on so many levels so profoundly especially given the opportunity that they had but you know I heard him the other day he called into a Fox News show and it was he was taught like tell him the story of the war in Ukraine and it's like it just seems like he's telling like it seems like you learned this on a TV show like can we get some books in your diet like you know what I mean like it's like this is we really need someone here who's read a book about this because he kind of had an idea of what he was talking about but then he got it completely wrong so he goes he's trying to tell the story and he's talking about the corruption of the Biden's in Ukraine and you're like okay yes that is true but like there's a whole story here that I don't think you're really understanding because he goes he goes look this goes back to 2014 and so I'm watching this and I got like so excited for a minute like I was like yes yes it does go back to 2014 thank you Donald Trump and then it goes it goes back to 2014 when Putin took Crimea and Obama let him have it he just let him have it never would have happened on my watch but Obama gave Putin

59:08Ukraine and you're like no dude that's not just go back two months earlier and that same year the problem wasn't that Obama gave Putin Ukraine the problem was that Obama took Ukraine away from Vladimir Putin as I've played on your show and you played with Tulsi Gabbard the director of national intelligence has sat right here where I'm sitting and watched Gideon Rose explain to Stephen Colbert exactly what we're doing here Russia as as Gideon Rose the editor of foreign affairs magazine said Russia is Batman Ukraine is Robin we are stealing Robin away from Batman that's what the made on revolution was that's why the USAID in the NED poured a hundred million dollars into the street protest right and so they overthrew the government and then a bunch of the former Ukrainian prime ministers started floating out that we should tear up the Syvestopol lease in Crimea because you know this is Russia's only year long warm water naval port they've always had it this was their agreement they

1:00:11had like a 50 year lease or something like that but after the west back to coup that overthrew the government and put in a pro-western government they started talking big like well maybe we'll tear up that lease and we went as a Vladimir Putin went no I'll just take it and that was like so anyway so he goes back to that doesn't go back a few months earlier and then misses the entire point that no so because like the point is that it's not just like me being like oh I wish Donald Trump was into the same books I'm into or something like that the point is that when you don't get that piece of the chapter then you miss what's happening right now so when you're talking about like these essentially what Donald Trump was saying the way he was trying to sell it to Zelensky was like look do this rare earth minerals deal with us and this is kind of like a security guarantee it's not exactly a security guarantee but if we're in business with you and then Putin's trying to fuck up our business hey he's picking a fight with us too but the whole point is that that's exactly what caused this whole catastrophe Vladimir Putin and the entire Russian elite have been crystal clear

1:01:12about this that they go look we can tolerate a neutral Ukraine we could tolerate NATO up to Ukraine Ukraine is neutral and then there's Russia we cannot tolerate Ukraine being a part of America's military alliance that's a step too far but every time we try to let him be neutral neutral seems like it's never good enough and that never actually works so if you're gonna come in here and say neutral's not good enough they're gonna be part of the West then we're gonna say actually we'll take him as part of Russia instead now he also believes as he says all the time which I just think is goofy and un-American but he also believes that like they're not really a real country and they're kind of historically ours anyway and you know he's got his own views on that but that's not what the war was about and everybody you know and and when I was here with when I which I was very excited to do because I'm you know a weird romantic and have a you know a dash of altism or something like that but well I was really excited because me and Douglas Murray are gonna debate this issue and I remember when he first goes he goes the war had nothing to do with Ukrainian entry

1:02:16into NATO and I was like okay well let me just hit you with two points real quick number one the head of the CIA you know during all the years of Joe Biden when he was the ambassador to Russia he wrote the yet means yet memo he literally said that this was all what it was all about and that Russia didn't want to do this but they would if we kept pushing Ukrainian entry into NATO and we did keep pushing it and then I said the other one was Stoltenberg who is not anymore but was the head of NATO while this was happening and he said that Vladimir Putin sent them in writing a draft treaty that all you have to do is put in writing that you will never bring Ukraine into NATO and I won't invade and then he bragged that we said no and then he invaded um but so I said this to Douglas Murray and I was kind of curious like I was like what's what's his response to this gonna be like what is he gonna say back to maybe he's got something I've never heard before that I'm gonna have to be like oh should I got to consider that and his response was a libertarian quoting the CIA I say and you're like wait so that's your pivot is to I'm a hypocrite somehow which isn't even hypocrisy

1:03:19like yes I think the CIA should be abolished I also think it's relevant when the head of the CIA admits what the war was all about I don't think the CIA totally should be abolished don't you think we should kind of pay attention and what the fuck is going on in the world giving a real life perspective not a utopian perspective but a real life perspective there's terrorist groups all over the world plotting shit probably a good idea yeah so what the CIA was originally like conceived of like essentially being a newspaper for the president like being like hey we get all the real intelligence and we give it to you here yeah yes I 100% think there's room for intelligence gathering but what the CIA became is a paramilitary organization that starts wars and overthrows democratically elected governments all around the world occasionally sells coke in the hood and occasionally when they're bored there's and when there's and maybe like on like a Tuesday like a three-day weekend and then on Tuesday maybe move some crack into Los Angeles no that I mean just should I mean it's

1:04:20it's a disgrace to a professed free society I mean it's it's look like when which we've also played on the show before but when when Chuck Schumer was on with Rachel Maddo which is one of the most amazing moments in the history of like corporate media because what what's amazing about it if you watch like the full thing is that Rachel Maddo's asking him questions and he's given his Chuck Schumer political answers to all of them however you feel about it's like they have their spiel but then she breaks from script and she she preemptively apologizes to him she goes hey I'm sorry to just throw this on you right now this is it's it was in I believe January is either December 16 or January 17 so Donald Trump has beat Hillary Clinton but he's not president yet he's president elect and since she goes I'm sorry to you know throw you off put you on the spot but Donald Trump just tweeted this so she's reading a tweet that he just tweeted live on air to the the Senate majority leader or minority leader at the time so she she reads of the tweet that's him you know trash in the CIA

1:05:23or something like that and then Chuck Schumer just gives like his organic response there was no script prepared for this he wasn't planned on being asked this question she goes look here's Donald Trump talking about the CIA and Chuck Schumer goes he goes I mean Donald Trump you want to go with the intelligence agencies and his exact raise was they have seven ways till Sunday to get back at you yeah so good so in other and by the way Rachel Maddo in this moment does not say pause the tape what did you just say like the most powerful Democrat in the Senate just admitted we don't live in a democracy just admitted that this whole things an illusion that the president of the United States is not the president of the United States all are talk about democracy being on the ballot democracy has been gone for a long time if it ever existed you just straight up said that the duly elected commander in chief and chief executive of the United States of America ain't really the one who's in charge because you better not insult the CIA who worked for you

1:06:24ostensibly or supposedly I should say you know and so like that's or they'll get you or they'll get you or they'll ruin you and by the way they did yeah didn't they and this is the stuff which is very interesting that Tulsi is releasing now which I I don't know whether you know I'm kind of past the point of like it's hard to take it's hard to take a lot of things about Donald Trump seriously to me at this point you know flaking on all types is that you know the Epstein stuff and just a lot of you know kind of core things were like so Donald Trump at least according to him they stole the election you know I was thinking about this the other day because he was talking about in the same thing that I'm talking about when he called into Fox News he was talking about the Ukraine war he said at one point he goes uh he goes the war never would have happened if I was president which Putin threw him a bone and backed him up on that the other day and said the war wouldn't have happened if Trump was president that doesn't that just saying what just saying what you know he's smart enough to know the guy likes being complimented and Putin smart enough to know

1:07:28that like this is how you negotiate with Donald Trump yes yes never would have never started with you yeah right my friend so that's kind of a silly point but aside from that the so Donald Trump goes the he goes it never would have happened if I was president then he takes it a step further than what he normally says and he goes it wouldn't have even happened if anyone else was president if we had just had a regular president this war never would have happened it's only because Joe Biden the worst president in the history of America was president that that's why this happened but then I'm sitting there as I listen to that and I go yeah but dude didn't you you told me that they cheated like you didn't really lose the election in 2020 that's but you you've stuck to that story now for many years so you're saying they cheated you're making a similar claim here they overthrew democracy they installed Joe Biden and a war where hundreds of thousands maybe well over a million people have died happened because they cheated the election okay so I'm gonna need to know who they is and I'm

1:08:29gonna need to know when we're gonna see him perp walked like you're the president now you got your whole but all of us on some level don't really think they're gonna start arresting people over the stolen election of 2020 and you know they I don't think they have any evidence yeah no that's right I I completely agree now I think there's a lot of speculation and there's a lot of consideration about mail-in ballots yes there's a lot of shenanigans there's a there's a good record of shenanigans and there's there's the reality of any kind of electronics can be hacked no I so I agree with all of that I'm just saying like once you've made these statements and your administration is in no I remember it was one of the most interesting parts of your your podcast with him was like when you asked him about that it was like you really didn't have anything back it up if that was you or if that was me I mean there was a some reason why I knew that they did something and I I could give you all the facts I would have that ready for anybody because I was you're for four fucking years they've been telling him he's crazy for questioning the election yeah so after four years I'd have

1:09:32a fucking tight ten minutes yeah the election where I could just rattle off at you and rock your world with it like this is these are the facts Jack well there's also there's a big difference between you know speculating and asking some questions and being like I'm not sure I believe the official story of this and there's a difference between then being as a president of the United States going this is what happened like this was and if you're going to say that then you got to give me your theory like really lay it out for me like is and and he never had that part but I will say they they kind of pivoted off the Epstein thing into rush a gate which seemed to be you know like designed that there was this um this tremendous desire it's the whole reason Donald Trump's political existence is a thing is that people are furious about the swamp they're furious about how corrupt our government is and the the profound crimes that the government has committed against the American people and they want justice for that and so they pivoted off of Epstein after

1:10:34promising to deliver something on that and then went okay we'll have that rush a gate now so now they're but I will say Tulsi Gabbard released a bunch of new documents and there were some pretty interesting ones there um it wasn't like she just released new stuff where it was like we already knew all this like there was new stuff in there that we didn't really already know and she referred it over to the justice department she said in her press conference that we have proof that Obama committed treason and they've at least sent it to the justice department and from what I understand there is a grand jury being assembled or something like that so I don't know I still didn't and the deepest part of my soul go there's no way there's no way they're actually going to try to prosecute Obama and Brennan and Clapper and Komey but the FBI rated John Bolton tells today yes I think that's unrelated um but that is an interesting story also I mean she was like they're doing a wild shit but if they did that with Obama what was the actual treason like what did what

1:11:34is she stating is treason well so um now I don't think she said treason I don't think legally that's technically right um but I someone might correct me on that maybe it's sedition or something I don't know I mean like I think treason I think John Brennan did commit treason when he armed al-Qaeda in Syria and Obama as well with the rest of Obama and John Kerry and Brennan I think that's that's literally treason right giving aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war what what Obama and Komey and Clapper did to Donald Trump is they framed him for treason so what do you call that exactly framing the sitting U.S. president now I guess Obama can't be guilty of the current the sitting U.S. president but he was guilty of the candidate and the president elect so because he was out of there by the time Trump comes in but what Tulsi Gabard released that I thought was very interesting which I had never seen before and we did I don't remember was last year the year before but there was one episode that me and you talked a lot about

1:12:35russia gate and got like pretty deep into it but what Tulsi released which I've never seen before was that there was a consensus amongst the intelligence agencies after the 2016 election so this Hillary Clinton's lost but Barack Obama's still president and Donald Trump is the president elect and they had consensus that there was no meaningful interference in in the election and then there is this one meeting with Obama that she points to where this is where the consensus changes and they had a new threat assessment written that actually we believe russia interfered in the election but it was total bullshit they've never been able to back it up for shit you know they find mine our little things here or there but nothing that demonstrates that like the results of this were flipped and then they they ran with that for three years after it but there's not a record of that meeting right she just released a bunch of documents with records of that meeting no but what I'm saying is like the actual discussions is non record now I think they have that she had a few they have to do

1:13:35that no but she had you know she had a couple different documents there that were like had notes from the meeting I think one had minutes of the meeting but no you're not listening to an audio tape of it like it's we don't have like a Nixon you know talking about the gays and the Jews or something like that I'm just trying to like strong man or steal man it I'm saying like if it would it be possible that Obama knew something that he could relate to them in the meeting be an interesting thing to find you know that'd be interesting for a court proceeding but even if that's the case it still doesn't align with the known facts yeah oh yeah yeah well it's not look I think we'll we'll see what comes of this you know which I'm again I'm not betting on anything coming of this but there is something interesting look there's a lot of things that happen after that the the real to me the true outrage of of rush of gate is that they didn't stop after he won the presidency it's still pretty outrageous to try to frame a candidate it's still pretty outrageous

1:14:36for Hillary Clinton to have like opposition research and and use of an actual you know Russian spy in a British spy to do it yeah but you know that's campaign stuff it's a little bit different like once he becomes the commander in chief then you have the FBI and the CIA still working to frame him and so this is where and and for all of that stuff Hillary Clinton's gone Barack Obama's gone Brennan is gone um Komi is still there for at least a few months um and then you have like Andrew McCabe and people like that who on his 60 minutes interview and you anybody can go look at he literally said that they uh debated at the at the justice department and this is the highest levels of the justice department it was uh I mean Jeff Sessions would have been the attorney general at the time and he may have recused himself already by that time so maybe not him but then everybody else like the top two three guys at the justice department all sat down and debated what to do and they uh they said they they decided we're going to invoke the 25th amendment

1:15:41to remove Donald Trump as president and that basically they went around and realized they weren't going to be able to do that that they weren't going to have enough people in his cabinet willing to turn on him to invoke the 25th amendment which by you know the 25th amendment is designed for Joe Biden it's designed for we still didn't use it even though these last few years it's crazy you know even after the debate they go we need a new candidate but no one went yeah but there's got campy commander in chief for the next six months they just let them um but they said they were going to invoke the 25th amendment this is on 60 minutes uh Andrew McCabe says this himself and that they realized they couldn't do that and so they settled on Robert Mueller they settled on a special prosecutor because they couldn't remove them so this was their other attempt we'll just bog them down we'll investigate everything in his life we'll find some crime somewhere it's to this day a miracle that they didn't I can't believe they didn't find any other dirt on Donald Trump I always thought when Mueller started being the special prosecutor I I've you can listen up my podcast on record if you want to go part of the problem available where

1:16:43podcasts are sold uh you could listen back to I said at the time I go they're not going to find anything on russia gate because there's nothing there this is all made up but they're gonna find something the guy's been a real estate developer in New York City for how many decades now everyone every real estate developer is committed a few crimes and they found nothing they locked up you know they they charge a bunch of his people around him with tax crimes and other things that had nothing to do with russia gate then they tried to put pressure on them to flip on him that's how they do these things none of them had anything on him and so anyway so they got but the point is that it was the deep state attempting to remove the sitting president of the united states of america off of something that they knew was bullshit you know you had people eric swallwell was out on cable news saying not only an asset saying Donald Trump is a Russian agent agent he's working for Vladimir Putin he's his guy here and they all knew this was bullshit I mean this is like online ad nausea online on CNN on MSNBC on ABC CBS all every day

1:17:50Trump russia collusion and many of those same people are still telling you what's true many of those same people are still in front of a camera telling you what's true yeah oh they're still apologize that's right then they're still and they're the same ones up they're going we got to arm Ukraine till the end we got to give Israel more bombs to drop out on the Palestinians this is even covering this like how is MSNBC handling this tellsy gabber revelation or I think by changing their name to MS now it's supposed to forget so did NBC bail out I think so Microsoft and NBC are together in this joint venture that's MSNBC yeah I think they you know I don't know exactly what they're doing but they I saw it was announced the other day that they're changing it from MSNBC to MS now do they think it's toxic I guess so I guess yeah they're not wrong they're not wrong they fucked it up they got rid of some people though but they kept the the queen Rachel Maddo I think she's the only one who pulls in any type of numbers you know she's she's what she did during COVID was so preposterous yeah just that alone

1:18:56there there's so many times where she's you know Matt Tehibi wrote a great book hate ink and he basically said Rachel Maddo is the left's bill O'Reilly yeah I think that's that's about fair yeah and it's really if I was not fair to bill O'Reilly yeah Bill O'Reilly was pretty rough in his day I mean I don't know I don't know if he's as inaccurate like that was har horribly it was bad the COVID stuff and then the Russia stuff like is there a thing that you could point to that bill O'Reilly pushed that was a hoax for a few years Iraq Iraq Iraq Iraq I mean they were so bad on Iraq dude Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity and all those guys I mean they were just I mean it is just like as if it was a certainty every day it was a certainty that's all worse nuclear weapons and you know I mean I don't know you could debate what's worse I mean you know the no that's worse well yes well yeah I mean a million people died so there's a strong argument

1:19:58but that's worse than other things but there is something about look first of all there is something about framing the sitting U.S. president that truly is a crime against the republic in a profound sense but the other thing about Russia gate which I think makes it you know where you could maybe enter into the debate and then COVID you know you can argue with all these things that's quite just been as the war in Iraq I don't know really destroyed a lot of people's lives but the part of the reason why they framed Donald Trump so in 2016 Donald Trump was explicitly running on he talked about this it like all the debates and in the beautiful kind of child like Trumpian way where he just has no filter so he just says the thing that's in his mind and then he often thinks he's like a genius because no one else has said this out loud but it's not that they haven't thought of it it's just that they're all corrupt but he just said because at the time the war in Syria was going on and Donald Trump would just say why are we in Russia on opposite sides in the

1:21:00war in Syria you know Russia's trying to kill the terrorists that's who we're trying to kill because Obama and Brennan had been siding with the terrorists they had been funding al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria to try to overthrow Bashar al-Assad because that was part of the clean break strategy to the seven countries in five years this was the next guy they were trying to overthrow they ended up getting that regime change earlier this year but so they were they were working on that and then Trump just went we should be friends with Putin and we should work together on killing the terrorists I don't care about overthrowing Assad I'm not in on that plan I don't even know what you're talking about why would we want to overthrow the secular dictator in a three-piece suit who shaves his chin like he's just like this is stupid I don't want to be a part of that and he was running on we should be friends with Russia and this drove all of the Republicans crazy like oh yeah man we should be friends with Russia but that was just what he was running on and so part of the deal of framing him for being in a conspiracy with Vladimir Putin was that he couldn't be friends with Russia anymore and this and and so you know because if Donald Trump had come in in 2017 or 2018 and announced some new treaty with Vladimir Putin or some partnership or something

1:22:03like that the entire media would have been like see that's proof we've been telling you he's in with when he just he went to Helsinki I think aside from this week I think that was the last time the two of them were face-to-face was in Finland in 2017 I could be wrong about that but I think that was the last time the two of them were together and there was this big thing I don't know if you remember this but it was a big deal at the time was that Donald Trump said they asked him well you know they were like hey your intelligence agencies are saying that Vladimir Putin interfered in the election did you ask him about that and Trump goes yeah I asked him about that and he told me he didn't interfere in the election and I believe him and then they made a huge thing about this on Thorne soil Donald Trump says he believes Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence agency you know the men and women who protect us every day the men and women who frame the sitting president framing him and so that's a Larry what a trap but so that's that's kind of the game right there and then you had these these like conflicts that are going on and not just ultimately what you know in Ukraine right the the civil war was already going on there I mean the civil war started after

1:23:072014 this was like right in the middle of that civil war and so anyway my point is just to compare it to Iraq who knows how big of a deal was it to poison a US president who wanted to have they talk with Putin at that time like maybe we could have avoided this whole thing and that's the death toll it you know I don't know I've seen different reporting on it but it's close to Iraq I mean it's it's I think it's more military unless civilians which does matter um well it's up there matter when you're forcing civilians well that's a good point that's a good point too yeah that's right so you know I mean look it still changes the moral calculation a little bit when someone puts on a uniform and is holding a gun it's a little bit different than a kid or something like that but you know the the crime of of killing the potential for a president to make peace with Putin I mean this is you know this is the thing that's so like um infuriating about all of it and something that really you know it's like well you know I'm told like I'm not an expert you're just a comedian

1:24:11it's like leave this to the serious experts here but the thing that's so goddamn frustrating and just like profoundly reckless is that look like when the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 and you go back before that but like let's just take that as a point to start like it should have been obvious to any rat like if there really was this class of experts I would be so happy to turn this over to them let me go tell jokes at the mothership that's what I'm supposed to do not this like fine but the thing is if there were serious rational adults who had wisdom way beyond what some shit talking comedian knows about which there should be then they would have recognized that like the most important priority in the history of the world is the relationship between DC and Moscow there's never been anything more important than that and that doesn't even matter whether you're Russian or an American you could like I it doesn't matter if you live in Brazil or wherever the most important thing in the history of the world is these two capitals that have like 90% of the world's

1:25:11nuclear weapons between the two of them get along okay you know like this is the most important thing this could end our species if they don't so like let's make sure they do and that seem to have been the priority of almost no one in power a few exceptions to that but the almost nobody went like so so again my point is poisoning the relationship between a president who wants peace with Russia is on the level of launching a war in Iraq I mean it's like it's that bad of a thing to do yeah hopefully it doesn't get to that point but it is a profoundly reckless thing to do yeah it's up there yeah it's um it's just it's so tangled that at this the one of the things about politics I think for most people that's so frustrating is because you you don't see a way out you don't see like oh if we just do this that and this you know and people say things like oh we just need to take money out of politics yeah well I think that's crazy I just make all people honest

1:26:18yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah right yeah well there's also there's easier you know that's a that's like um it's a it's a it's a a talking point I don't even mean to downplay that like I'm not it's a it's it's it's a it's a nice idea I think the issue like this is what I've always seen like the issue with the kind of take money out of politics angle and why I think the better approach is to take politics out of money like I think and I'm not saying either is easy to do but the issue that you have and I know that there's a lot of like people I really love really say that all the time like you go like you got to take money out of politics and I would certainly support like if there was I think Rand Paul had a proposal a few years ago where it was like if you make any money from a government contract you should not be allowed to work in that sector for 20 years after you made there's like like there's something like you shouldn't be able to be a defense contractor and then

1:27:19you know what I mean go into yes you say so and anything like that probably is a good idea if you can get it past good luck getting it passed but like that's but the issue really comes like the the major problem is that Washington DC is the most powerful you know organization in the history of the world that they spend seven trillion dollars a year and this is that is so much power like it's just it's hard to quantify it's it's literally like like you think about it in your mind right like you think about like how much money Elon Musk has and then just to think that one year of federal spending is like squishing him like an ant like it's nothing dude like the money Elon Musk has is nothing compared to seven trillion dollars you know that's just one year what they spend in Washington DC and when you have that much concentrated power the idea of saying we're we're gonna write a rule that says nobody's allowed to try to manipulate that power it's like

1:28:20okay and then you know look there are rules there's all types of money way to put it because it's like so undeniable well look look there there are rules that say that like foreigners aren't allowed to contribute to political campaigns and like there's different regulations on all of them but like Saudi Arabia is not allowed to give Hillary Clinton's campaign ten million dollars but they could give the Clinton foundation ten million dollars you know what I mean so like you write these rules they find another way to do it by the way all that my the Clinton foundation was making so much money until right around 2016 everyone stopped donating to it it's just so weird like the Saudis were really into charity yeah until right around that so the point is that you can't the only thing like like it's not the lesson of the Lord of the Rings wasn't like we really need some common sense regulations about how you use this ring right like the lesson is that you have to destroy this thing

1:29:24and that's tough I'm not saying that's easy I don't know who our Frodo is but the the point is that this power has so this is fundamentally I think why I think the Ron Paul libertarians have it right and while I really do respect some other left wingers I think they have it wrong when they go like no we need the government to be working for us rather than working for them it's like that is unrealistic it's unrealistic enough that we'll just be able to cut but the answer is that there should be way less power in Washington DC and that's the whole that's George Washington's constitutional republic that we are supposed to be living under is the idea is that there's like oh Washington DC has very little power the states have a lot of power the people have a lot of power it's not all concentrated in one capital because then you get what we have yeah and once it's fully secured like it is now and just deeply ingrained like the tentacles of this octopus go so deep there's so much money involved and there's so many people that are in a position of power it's like

1:30:29it's very it's very hard to change what it is now well I think the best hope that we have is it's going to sound ridiculously romantic but youth I think there's people that are growing up now that have a better understanding of how things work than ever before you know um this guy Michael Button was on the other days a historian or you know his degree in ancient history and we were talking about how science changes one funeral at a time you know I think politics probably changes one funeral at a time too and the way you know like I don't agree with this mandani guy the guy in New York City but I also don't agree that this should be this massive coordinated campaign from both sides to make sure that he doesn't get into power yeah because you don't agree with him like I think a lot of the stuff he's saying is ridiculous like using uh New York City funds to pay

1:31:30for transgender surgeries for people can't afford him like I'm a nay on that yeah but it's just sounds nuts it sounds like you're only going for that nutty vote you like you want that nutty vote but are we what is this are we allowed right to disagree so I disagree I don't support that I don't support a lot of the stuff he's saying the raising of taxes I think is going to be really problematic but I'm not an economist but what is this game we're playing is that the people get to vote because the people voted and they voted and he won the primary so it's supposed to be the democrats get behind him and then it's the democrats versus the public or are we doing something different no you know the people get to vote but if they vote wrong then the powerful might have to come in and let the people know that they have erred and they're you know but it's a unique time to see a power well look there's he's and I should I guess preface by saying first of all I find this this race to be a fascinating mycocasem of where we're at politically in so many different ways and I am

1:32:33I should preface by saying I am the most free market capitalist libertarian guy I don't believe in socialism at all there's most libertarians are communist compare to me like I believe in leska whatever government you believe in I believe in less than that so I do not agree with mom donnies you know any of his economic policies there is something though that you just can't deny where it's like okay look first of all you got this young guy who's kind of the anti-establishment candidate he's immigrant he's an immigrant he's a newcomer to politics a newcomer to being a citizen of the country however you feel about that he was his campaign was laser focused on one issue which was the unaffordable of New York City which if anybody at all is familiar with New York City that is the issue of New York City it's the issue for 99% of the people who live in New York City the top one percent of New York City are doing great but the everybody else is just struggling to get

1:33:34by you know you're either richer you're struggling in New York City and the prices have gone up dramatically in the last few years so he just ran his whole campaign laser focused on that then the establishment comes in and they run androquomo the disgraced former governor who murdered old people in in nursing homes who got you know had a me too thing which I don't know how legit that was but got driven out into disgrace governor lockdown representing the failure that just wrecked this city is who and then what did they try to hit him on was Israel they thought that was his weakness it was dude that debate was the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life they they it's like imagine picking you know it's like um it's literally like if you were if you were fighting like Islam Makachev or something like that and you went I'm gonna attack his wrestling that's where I think he's weak and you're like wait what no like that's his strength what do you mean

1:34:34is they thought this they'd go they and they bring it up and go through all the candidates they go he hasn't even pledged to go visit Israel well they were all saying that was the first thing they would do wants to became mayor is good they don't we'll go to Israel said that and then he said I'm I'm gonna stay here I'll stay here in New York care of New York because I'll talk to Jewish people who are right here in New York City I don't need to go to Israel and then and then my the funniest thing but that might have won him it helped well you know they they actually thought that pointing out that this guy which by the way the mayor of New York City has nothing to do with foreign policy anyway right but they they thought that pointing out to everybody that this guy doesn't carry the baggage of supporting the war party but we all support the war party was gonna win over liberal New Yorkers like how how out of touch do you have to be and then and this is Jude I got to say just something that's so fascinating about the whole broader Israel palace nine palace nine debate discussion is that he goes at one point you know he said that he's like a one-state solution guy and for people who follow this stuff you know there's some people believe in a two-state solution some believe

1:35:36in a one-state solution some believe in the status quo which is just like apartheid forever or whatever but he goes I believe he goes I think Israel has a right to exist as a state with equal rights for everyone you know like everybody gets equal rights and they tried to make that out to be like an evil statement which is just was so hilarious to me that there just there's one guy goes I believe in equal rights for all and they went Nazi look at this Nazi with his equal rights for all talk anyway nobody it just had no effect on anything other than to just be like oh he also doesn't have the baggage of supporting this this genocide which is very unpopular so okay and and so anyway it's just like while he's focused on the actual crisis which is the unaffordability of New York City they're talking about supporting this war which has nothing to do with the role of the mayor anyway and it's just like you look at it you can't believe that that's actually what they tried to attack him and so yeah he won well I think they're terrified of young people that are popular like that yeah

1:36:40like a young person he's a really good speaker who's popular who has ideas that look if you're living in New York City and you're struggling and someone comes along it says the problem that you're having is rich people are making too much money and we're going to redistribute that down to people that sounds really attractive and there's a lot more of them than there are of the rich folks and they'll vote them in yeah well that's right and especially there's there's a reason why you know socialism is becoming so attractive to young people and I think it's like what I was laying out before they can't afford anything there's no there's no path for them to get into the ownership class it's not just that it's the looming fear of AI taking away all jobs yeah that's I'm sure that's that's part of my kids talk about it a lot of the kids that they go to high school with talk about it I I talked to college kids that are talking about it I was talking talking to this guy about he's like I really don't know what to do with my life because it feels like everything's going to be taken up by AI that's a crazy place to be like you're you're you're waiting for this thing to come alive and see what it leaves behind yeah because that's what it is it's

1:37:46going to be this all consuming thing and then their solution that everybody talks about is some sort of payment plan for everyone some universal basic income payment plan where everybody gets paid but the boy does that stop dissent but when you're completely reliant on the state to pay for you and you just you just live you just exist and you don't need to work anymore because AI is taking up all the jobs and now you don't have any purpose you have to go find a purpose boy some people are going to find a purpose there's a lot of people that just have that go get them instinct and they're going to be fine there's a small percentage of people that are just going to plow ahead regardless of even if the government gives you 50-60 thousand dollars a year and you live fine and you don't have to sweat bills there's going to be a bunch of people that just get into drugs and their life falls apart and they have no sense of purpose they have nothing to do and you're going to have to like refigure out how to structure society that's what these kids

1:38:48are going through they're going through this weird feeling that everything is about to fall apart right in front of their face while we run face first for that cliff we're running right to the edge of that cliff full clip saying we got to go over the cliff yeah no it's a lot of well it's a lot of these things all happening at once too and also the young generation is totally outside of the corporate media model I mean they're just not even listening it's not like a do they do they watch MSNBC or Fox News no these aren't they don't the list of the age like there's a graph that got put out of the median age for people that watch cable news yeah versus podcast all these other different things I don't know if I saw the graph but I've seen you know I'm I think I have it on my phone it's fucking bananas yeah because the median age for cable news is like 70 it's like 70 year old people that's the median yeah and with podcasts it's like 24 to 34s the median yeah YouTube is like 34 Netflix is a little higher Netflix is like in

1:39:54the 40s because everybody use Netflix is this it yeah average media landscape so cable news 70 primetime TV 65 though those are the brain dead people laughing at terrible sitcoms and and watching whatever the fuck else is on newspaper 60 years old talk radio 58 magazines 52 podcast 34 that sounds I mean that's yeah that is right that's that's about accurate but there's a lot you know now the go and then go and see because I have looked at a polling data on this where you go look at who's uh who's supporting Israel it's those cable news watch yeah oh 70 and overcrowd is who they still got what what I would be interested in seeing is like what percentage of people that are 34 are listening to cable news is there a number on that three of them are three

1:40:55of them cost money and three don't also that's so interesting right cable cost money right primetime TV doesn't though right newspaper magazines though yeah they do newspaper cost money magazines cost money but everybody you have to pay for cable if you want it and most kids don't have cable anymore most kids just get a Netflix account or a paramount account and get all the great shows Disney plus you get all the superhero movies most people don't you know young kids if you're if you have to budget and you have to choice between you know a bunch of channels that just have things running on them all the time or you pick what you watch and anytime you want to go to the internet just give me the internet I don't think you're no fucking internet on their TV they want Netflix they don't want this cable news nonsense where I have to listen to someone at 8 p.m. and then every five minutes there's a fucking commercial you have to be like brought into that world and accustomed to it yes you should try to show a kid a commercial today and they're like what the fuck yeah and and even just the whole

1:41:56fake thing the whole does some 21 oh the whole just fake thing about their presentation and all of this it's just doesn't it doesn't work if you didn't like if you didn't transition from like Walter Cronkite into that that's not gonna work for you anymore but I do think so this is like a it's it's you know I was just looking at this the other day though where it's like which is really you know even to me is is kind of something I would not have been able to even fathom or predict a couple years ago but the way in which every demographic has turned against Israel over this shit and Gaza it except essentially boomer Republicans who are still as strong as they've ever been in supporting them but ever you know Israel is it's it's really in many ways like the third rail of American pot like this is the thing you are not allowed to talk about this is the thing that we get you fired from CNN we get you kicked out of DC would get your total your career ruined you know Papu can and made a joke once on the Malglochland group like years ago like decades

1:42:59ago you had a joke once where he said something about he said Congress is Israel occupied territory or something like that and he for the rest of his career this was the scandal this was hit pieces were written about this now the the got the young people are totally outside of that ecosystem and they're just hearing from different people and they're like no I'm not buying it and it's you know I think it's a mix of a few things like I think it's it's just that you know we have the technology it's in 4k you can see what Israel is doing to Gaza it is so evil that it's damn near impossible to find a way I mean some people do but it is really difficult to find a way to be like I'm actually okay with that it's been going on for for years at this point and then the the second thing is just that like the relationship between the US government and the Israeli government is so freaking bizarre that once you see it and once a whole generation of young people see it it's like impossible for them to unsee it and and you know it's just two we are New York City mayor

1:44:03of politics yeah like this is and the idea that it is you know the idea that it's just accepted as normal that the politicians for your country must worship this other country and you know like so what it did that other country like beat us in a war and they're occupying us now and you're like no no you're the superpower they're your welfare country you know but yet you must go kiss their wall you must say Tammy Bruce from the State Department I know she was kind of being tongue in chic but where she goes where the greatest country in the world well second greatest to Israel you're like what was she being tongue in cheek I don't know exactly she kind of weird things it was it's still that is a weird thing for any representative of your government to say if anyone sat there and said just went you know I think America is the greatest country in the world well Finland I guess is the greatest and we're number two you'd be like what and like Finland's a cool country I got nothing against them but what are you talking about you know and but really I do

1:45:04think the well it's it's the relationship it's how horrible what Israel's doing is and it's how clearly it's not in our national interest there's also weird stuff like how about this guy that got arrested in Las Vegas like Alexandra Vitch or something like that so he gets arrested for proposition a young boy for sex he gets was it a boy I believe maybe I'm yeah I'm correct I don't know you know I read a couple articles about it figure Jamie will do a little deep dive on this well they said that he showed up with condoms was what I read in the article to meet what he thought was a 15 year old I forgot the detail that it was a boy not that it changes one of those shoes is like you never know carries a condom with them everywhere book never know there was always those guys when I was a kid I'd like the condom on their wallet hey bro never fucking no like but don't you know if you look at your life on average like the odds of you getting later so little how do you have this fucking lucky charm in your pocket about as I'm you see the condom you're like

1:46:09I don't think you should use that one right away I think you're gonna get one I think he's broken down by your ass rubbing the baguettes for fucking three years yeah you can read what the fucking Trojan label says anymore yeah that was our man that was a different time yeah different time um so here it is a girl okay Israeli government official charge was soliciting a minor believed he was meeting a 15 year old girl for sexual contact according to police brought a condom to the planned rendezvous in Las Vegas Al-Jandrovich division head of the Israel national cyber directorate was arrested in a police sting operation aimed at online users seeking sexually prey on children the Las Vegas outlet eight news now reported that ex-Alexandrovich chatted with an officer posing as a teenager online before being arrested sexual contact included bringing a condom and taking the decoy to Cirque du Soleil which stages elaborate shows along the Las Vegas trips had police

1:47:12documents seen by eight news now details the arrest came to State Department denied the US government played any role in releasing the Israeli official after Alexandrovich was able to return to Israel once he had bonded out of jail in connection with the felony charge wow so I was kind of crazy that you just well I heard so I heard some people claiming and I'm not sure what's right about this but there were people who were arguing that like the website or the app or whatever that he was on is 18 and up and so they were saying like no he thought he was meeting an adult or something like that well this is what I thought too is like how do we know this is in a setup I'm always how do I know this isn't Richard Nixon 2.0 right I don't know you know I'd like to assume that we got a piece of shit and they arrested him and then I'd not like to assume that then all of a sudden he gets released and he gets to flee the country and never face consequences I don't want that to be true but I also I don't know what the fuck happened yeah well this is

1:48:16kind of convenient from what I've read about it I believe he has a court date coming up in a few days oh he'll be back and so that's well that's going to be the a big tell there right is you know it's crazy to me I've been blown away by this in lots of ways over the last couple years but how bad the Israeli PR game is you know and that like it's almost like they were just so accustomed to the old way of doing thing they're so accustomed to people being terrified yeah you can't be labeled anti-semite yeah you someone criticizes you you label them as a bigot and you destroy their lives and even that works for doesn't work anymore minor jokes yeah well and there's like you know I think it's a so I've been using this like analogy comparison lately and I think like see if you remember when Joe Biden had that disastrous debate with Donald Trump and everybody like the debate opens and everybody watching it knows this is over Joe Biden is I mean it was so bad but it's not just that it was so bad I mean it's it's the you know before the debate you know you

1:49:19there's Rachel Maddow at a desk where the bunch of people were now going to the first presidential debate Joe Biden's going to kick his ass they were already talking about how it was a remember the term deep fakes uh-huh they came up with where it's it's or cheap fake some sorry it was cheap fake it's not a deep fake but it's kind of like a deep fake see they're showing you a real video of Joe Biden being seen aisle but see that's just as fake as a deep fake because they didn't include the context or something like that that was the talking point that right before we go into the debate the debate cuts it goes back to the same panel and they go we got to find a new candidate like they had get they acknowledged that and part of the reason why we all knew it was over in that debate was it wasn't just how bad the debate was it was that now you have to admit this you know you were pretending this thing didn't exist now you got to admit it exists and once you admit it exists there's now a microscope on Joe Biden like there never was before so tomorrow when he's doing an interview and he mixes up a name that may not have been such a big deal two days ago but after that debate performance when he mixes up another name now you're like look there it is again

1:50:24he's seen aisle everything became amplified after that point and I think don't you think they set him up yes yes but we uh sure that's his whole separate issue but yes I do think they set him up um but I think a similar thing has happened with Israel where now everyone's looking at it right and everyone's watching and everyone's going wait what the hell is going on here that's a great announcement what is this yeah so that wait a pedophile can just go fleet Israel how many other pedophiles have gone and fled to Israel what quite a few now it's like oh my god they're open Pandora's box and there's just I think no way to put this back in because it's too weird it's too weird to not notice and that doesn't mean you have to like jump to the conclusion of like you know you have to hate Jewish people or something like that I'm not advocating anything like that but you do kind of have to question the relationship between DC and Tel Aviv and like what is going on here because this is so utterly bizarre you know it's so crazy to see like the American people are against what Israel is doing to Gaza it obviously hurts America's it hurts our as the

1:51:29they use in the preamble to the constitution I like that that phrase domestic tranquility right this is destroying our domestic tranquility we got protests we got people fighting over this stuff we're pissing off the Muslim world again which we've already had to deal with them hating our guts now the porting students we're deporting legal residents because they had the wrong opinion this is all and like it's impossible to not look at this and go like hey what's going on here and they don't have any answer for that and you know the other thing too is that it's just I don't know if you've noticed this but there's like there's a lot of people now trying to jump off of the sinking you know a lot of people who are even like supporters of Israel who are kind of going like I think they are going a little too far on this one and they're trying because it's just you see you can see the writing on the wall all over the place man like you're gonna be you're gonna be looked at this is gonna be the period and it's not even like support in the war in Iraq it's like much worse than that dude like you're just supporting this destruction uh these they just launched another offensive on Gaza City the other day they're bombing rubble like it's just on it's

1:52:33it's biblical levels of evil and you know we're sitting here like even as we're having this conversation now I don't like I know like a few I remember like coming on the podcast like a you know a couple years ago and like when this conflict first started and then when it would go and it was almost like I was coming on like like to be like look let me present the argument for why we shouldn't support what Israel is doing here and let me like try to like present the other side of the debate I feel now like the debates over I don't even think there's like much of a debate to be had I'll keep doing them if somebody wants to come debate about the issue but what are we talking about here dude south africa brought a genocide case to the international court of justice and the international court of justice ruled that what israel was doing to Gaza was plausibly a genocide 21 months ago 21 months ago they said this was plausibly a genocide and the things gone on the entire time since then there was a huge herets piece a couple months ago about you know because

1:53:37we've seen so many examples of this but they had idea of soldiers off the wreck and one at least one on the record saying that they were given orders to fire live rounds into the crowds of desperate people trying to get food literally but used to having starvation throughout Gaza yeah I don't know if you saw this dude I mean I couldn't I actually like found this hilarious but I'm a comedian who is real twisted dark sense of humor but the free press Barry Weiss's publication like ran a piece like debunking the starvation in Gaza and one of the examples that I'm not making this up like you go look at this I'm not I mean I'm very close to exactly accurate on this one of the examples they picked was it like a kid who was starving to death and their attempt at debunking it was that actually this kid had another major issue when it is really bomb cracked his skull so that's your defense that like yes he starved to death but it was also you know with these other

1:54:40complications this was the big one where the new york times had that big picture of the starving and then they made a big thing out of being like nobody had other medical you know problems too and then the mother had said well they said he's the mother said that the doctors told her that the reason they had other medical problems is because she was malnourished during pregnancy you know it's like okay so that's so yes you're you are right Israel defenders the kids starving to death are the ones who have other complications that's always who dies first in famines I don't know what like victory you think this is but so since this point since the the international court of justice ruled it was plausibly a genocide the 21 months up to today since then I know at least to ahood Omar and ahood Barack both former prime ministers of Israel have come out and said Netanyahu's committing war crimes in Gaza now they didn't call it a genocide but they called it war crimes so that's where your debate is at this point where are we between genocide and war crimes what area in

1:55:40there does this occupy but how the how the fuck do you defend any of that dude I don't know if this is true so I want to look it up before we commit to this but someone sent me some thing saying that Groc was pulled from Twitter from x whatever because Groc had said that Israel was committing a genocide so someone asked Groc whether Israel was committing a genocide allegedly and I want to find out if this is true because I saw this article and I was running out of the house I was like what the fuck but then it was reinstated so I don't know if those posts were deleted I don't know if this is real yeah but I'm not shocked I'm not shocked I read it and I'm like I could see how that could happen I could see first of all how it could interpret it as a genocide when they're not I mean if Groc is just a large language model that's pulling from the internet what's the general

1:56:40consensus worldwide definitely more on that side yeah more on that side for sure and then if you look at the sheer numbers of people that have died which we don't even really have an accurate count of what is the number what's the number of casualties now yeah well there was well there was just a uh sir here it is the only way to find out Groc account briefly suspended on x okay it was it say here the reason for Groc's brief suspension on x was August 11 2025 remains unclear as no official statement from x or x ai has been provided the bot said when asked why its account was removed however Groc itself claimed in now deleted posts that the suspicion was due to comments it made accusing israel in the us of committing genocide and Gaza citing sources like icj international council of justice rulings UN reports amnesty international and I don't know how to say that word betsellem betsellem these posts were flagged for violating x hateful conduct rules

1:57:45the statement added the press team for stating so funny this is so crazy the press team for x did not immediately respond to the hills requests for comments users have criticized Groc for providing anti-semitic responses to questions in recent months one anti-semitic responses however x's owner Elon Musk x's owner Elon Musk said in a Monday post the bots account removal was just a dumb error Groc doesn't actually know why it was suspended is he Groc is he's like me don't know me don't know why we use actually suspended upon its reinstatement the Groc account wrote zup beaches i'm back and more base than ever okay did anybody ask it again why don't you ask it right now let's go to Groc and ask Groc right now it's going to give a more politically correct answer at this point i bet i was like that but that's my guess says i yeah i'm not sure is israel committing genocide in Gaza

1:58:48what do you think it's going to say i i'm guessing politically correct answer some argue yes some say no let's see this must be like constantly being a question now i mean it must be i'm sure yes it might have a bunch of different oh it's giving us a slow trickle when i've been at an expert mode so it's thinking oh searching the web okay it's going to amany an eastern amnesty international December 24th report concludes israel's committing genocide citing killings and harmful conditions so now it's saying it's citing the sources many human rights organizations new and reports suggest genocide citing deaths and destruction this is just it's thinking right i get it so now then it it'll eventually evaluate meanwhile if you ask it an impossible trigonometry problem give me the answer instantaneously okay here it goes termed genocide is defined

1:59:501948 UN convention the prevention and punishment of the crimes of genocide is acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or part a national ethical ethical racial or religious group these acts include killing members of the group okay good good good good good good good ongoing conflict in Gaza stems from i get it i know what that is um okay allegations of genocide prohibited acts intense so it's giving you a very new onter response uh international court of justice in response to south africa's case filed in December 2023 ruled in january 20th ayah ba ba ba ba ba 2024 that genocide claims are plausible and issued provisional measures ordering israel to prevent genocidal acts and this is quite a while ago in 2023 okay scroll down notable deniers israel's government calls accusations baseless and outrageous emphasizing compliance with international law and investigations into misconduct

2:00:53the u.s. is described claims as unfounded analysis like the b.e.s.a center report july 2025 and acj 2025 july argue no evidence of starvation maskers or disproportionate strikes and criticized data manipulation by homos contextual challenges urban warfare against embodied insurgency complicates operations accusations ignore homos's role in aid diversion and civilian endangerment some scholars note that while harm is severe competing motives like counterterrorism preclude genocide findings the issue remains highly contested and politically charged while human rights bodies in icj have found plausibility in genocide claims warranting preventive measures no international court has issued a final guilty verdict and determinations hinge on ongoing investigations yeah i don't know man it sounds like a different answer i mean what's very

2:01:57that's very new enough yeah that's very nuanced it allows you to form your own opinion based on what many people say including what israel says so it's not going to give you an answer it's essentially um saying figured out which i you know like i i don't have a problem with that i don't have a problem with that at all i mean that's what i would like it to do yeah especially if there's debate well also i mean i think one of the you know the real problems and this is why i kind of like avoided using the term genocide too much at least in the beginning um is that it's there's no good definition for genocide you know like that definition they gave you the beginning is the official codified under international law definition it's attempting to destroy a group in whole or in part right well like what the hell does that mean you know and that's why they could say um you know homos committed a genocide on october 7th you know it's like i don't know they destroyed a group in part they and the whole south african case that they brought to the icj was basically the entire case was just the israelis in their own words like their argument was that like there's

2:02:58a genocidal intent here like when Benjamin Netanyahu is talking to a group of military and calls them amalak well like what you know the story of amalak from the bible is that the the moral of the story was you have to kill all the women and children like that's what the story was about i think you even had to kill the ox or something like that i'm not an expert in the bible but it was like that was that was the point it was like an ancient tribe that was beefing with the israelites and they were like you the moral was you have to kill all the women and children too that's a crazy thing to say at the beginning of a war but the thing is that whether you consider what israel's doing a genocide or you just take the moderate position of former israeli prime ministers who say it's war crimes i think the bigger point is just like it is so horrifically evil and no one should support this it's just it's crazy it is it is so insane to support israel doing this to what are in effect their own people right they may not consider them their own people but i don't care what they consider i care what they have power over you know like the you know Hitler maybe didn't consider

2:04:05the Jews his own people but doesn't matter dude once you have control of that country those people are your people like you have an obligation to them israel has had control of gaza since 1967 they've been the sovereign and all the way through you know you know the people can talk about the disengagement in 2005 but that doesn't mean anything they still control the whole strip they just didn't have their soldiers inside they had them around the perimeter doesn't matter you're still controlling those people and so like if a if you have resistance even violent resistance to a sixty-year-long occupation that you don't get to just say like all right we'll just turn off electricity the whole place we'll just cut off water to the whole place we'll let no food in for three straight months not one grain of wheat got into gaza and that by the way is a direct quote from their finance minister smote rich and not one grain of wheat will get in and then a few months later you go oh no these people starving they had pre-existing conditions yeah it's like come on man like what are we doing here and and particularly when it's like

2:05:11it's just very obvious that this doesn't this doesn't serve our country's interest in any way at all you know as a banger I was listening to netna who's an interview he did the other day he was on I'm with our friend constant in kassan on a trigonometry and what was he saying it what he goes we're fighting Hamas so you don't have to or something does anybody what anybody believe that Hamas was about to mount an attack on the united states of america they were going to take over if it wasn't for israel sticking up for us and just destroying the entire strip and it's ridiculous it's like you'll still to this day albeit like a debate or like a panel or something like that and someone will still start with the question like do you think israel has the right to exist and isn't it amazing that over the last two years that's been the question that's asked so much when very clearly a more relevant question would have been does gaza have a right to exist because it doesn't now you know like that was the only existence that was ever up for debate

2:06:15but they flip the thing around and go well you don't think israel has a right to exist like first of all I don't think governments have rights at all I think that's a totally incoherent worldview and the only coherent worldview is that individuals have rights there aren't like these massive right you know it's like metronis saying corporations are people or something like that but I think all people have the right to exist um i think israel does not have a right to do what it's doing to gaza and you know the you know and the real question is how does this end now it seems to be with ethnically cleansing the entire strip seems the most likely bet right now what do they do with gaza like how long is it going to take before that even looks normal again well i mean i don't get the massive destruction just the sheer scope of it yeah it's like 80% of the structures have been lebos so crazy if anybody flying over that with a drone and they tell you that's the only way they could have done this that seems nuts yeah and the the fact they keep doing it it's like how does this end you know like what happens if if the you know israel's public

2:07:22if he said and netanyahu talked about it on the podcast that they're losing the pr or what do you call does he say pr propaganda yeah something like the pr campaign but what does that mean that means the people see what's going on and they don't support it and you think they're wrong okay well how how much further can you go with this before everybody disagrees yeah and well also part of the reason why you know people it's like because i don't know people have just you don't have the controlled propaganda apparatus anymore and so the the thing is now for the people like obviously there are still a lot of people who just don't really pay attention you know that deeply but for somebody who's listening let's say to netanyahu's interview with with constantin i'd have to say like a large portion of them at this point you're listening to podcasts about politics right like you're you're not completely removed from this world there have been so many israel palestine debates over the last two years it's almost everyone who's watching this has at least seen what some

2:08:27competent person on the other side of this issue has had to say yeah and so like one of the time you know they brought up at one point and they really did you know i i thought constantin did a reasonably good job in in the interview the two i forget his uh which is his part of the frances the two of them i thought they did all right um i thought they were a little you know there were times they could have asked him follow up questions particularly the one that i thought they let him off the hook with was when they asked him about his support for him us and they just totally let him go like oh well you know we need to make sure the people weren't suffering too bad and let some aid in and it's like no that's not and the the thing is that so many people listening to this have already heard this explained you know what i mean where it's like a remember like a a couple years ago where i was uh when i was talking with you i was saying hey you know Coleman Hughes got this all wrong when he was on your podcast and Coleman Hughes had basically said there's one quote that's attributed to netanyahu but like it wasn't on video or anything like that and i was like no no no do this case is much bigger than one quote that was attributed to him by the way since then a video came out of him saying it on video there's actually a video now of

2:09:30that quote it's not just the reports it uh well the quote that was uh they had the video of was that we can control the height of the flame so he was basically saying like we can commit the quote that originally he said um which was in a closed-door kineset meeting with lecude party members where there were like three people who were eyewitnesses who came and told them it was originally reported in the jr. Islam post was that he was like look anybody who wants to thwart the existence of a Palestinian state has to support our plan of propping up Hamas and transferring money to them because this is what gives us uh no one to negotiate with certificate and then he said we can control the height of the flame meaning like i know what you're thinking yeah i'm funding these terrorists right on our southern border but like don't worry about it we can control you know the height of the flame and then he found out he couldn't on october 7th um but any but so they let him off the hook with that and people have just kind of heard this later i mean it's not like i just say this on podcast there's been major pieces written in the new york times in the uh

2:10:34the times of uh israel the in herets in the jr. Islam post and the washington post like this is all over the place and he just goes no no no no no no no you're just like trying to get some funding in there for the people like at this point anyone believes that Benjamin Netanyahu was motivated by helping the poor people of gaza rather than by thwarting a Palestinian state what was his response because i do know that they asked him about the failure of intelligence on october 7th what was his response the failure of the just how long it took them to react to it yeah i remember that i i don't remember exactly what he said but i remember thinking there was not much of substance to it he kind of just danced around it you know and and they also didn't get into specifically like you know at first they started asking him questions about like what was it like for you on that day but they didn't get into questions about like why was the response time so how was this possibly able to happen like no not really i mean they didn't push him on that

2:11:36and then he you know said which i mean just think about how unimpressive this is is that he basically just went oh there should be a full investigation you know there should be a full investigation onto that from the top all the way down to the bottom nice things and you're like okay hey this would be awesome could we get the prime minister of israel on the line because like maybe he could do something about this they're like oh no that's you so like why we're it's almost two years later what are you talking about dude have the investigation what you can't conduct an investigation while you're destroying the Gaza Strip was it half to wait till after that you got time to do a podcast did they ask him about the protests i don't think so but uh you know i don't because there were protests before october seven yes there's also been protests this week yeah by the way massive protests in telev by think from i read a few articles about it and that the estimate seems to be five hundred thousand people were out in the streets protest in the war thank god for that man and thank god for just like uh then oh by the way the protests were led

2:12:37or i don't know like led but the the featured acts at the protest were the families of hostages and surviving hostages they're the ones leading the charge me like stop doing this you know because like if you think about it i mean could you imagine it you know if you try to put yourself in the place of like having someone you really love is a hostage it like hummus has taken them hostage and they're trapped in one of these tunnels and then you hear the plan is to cut off all food to the area and you're like yo like what how is that gonna help your loved one who's a hostage there like how's it just just bombing the place can like what if you hit them like what you know what i mean like this it's like obviously if your main goal was hostage retrieval this is not at all the way you would go about doing that um and you know it's like this was a point by the way that that that Darryl Cooper was making on Tucker Carlson's podcast which got him a whole lot in a whole lot of trouble and got him a whole lot of pushback on but i think the essence of his point was about

2:13:39starvation blockades and then like saying like you know you're you put a starvation blockade on nazi germany or something like that you go okay because the nazi are your enemies and they're real bad guys so you want to do that but like do you think eight off Hitler's not eating do you think any of his soldiers are needing and that's gonna be first priority right nazi party members and the nazi military are gonna get who is maybe not gonna get food probably the most disenfranchised people in that society right there are you already in a concentration yeah yeah well and then well some of them were i guess at that point and some of them weren't but there isn't an amazing that that's controversial to say that it's this is not a nuanced discussion yeah that that's not a factor yeah that's right and and look they're they were using um which was a you know a horrible picture but they had the image of one of those um there was like some pictures that had come out of one of the remaining hostages there who did look like you know in bad shape look like close to starvation you know and then the the israel supporters were using this is like they're propagate like look how horrible homoses look

2:14:43what they're doing to them you know like it but this did come after three months of zero food being allowed into gaza and so like i don't know to me it seems like it probably doesn't take a genius to go like um you know homas is gonna be fed like they're not going to suffer from these hunger strike and in fact a lot of the pro-Israel people were to and the israeli government themselves they were making claims a lot of them unsubstantiated but making claims that like homas is stealing all of the food we let aid in previously but homas stole it all then they mark it up and charge more money for it to the people of gaza and you're like okay but then what does a food blockade do i mean you already said it's not taking food away from homas right so who's the war against the civilian population and of course you you to imagine like just like under nazi germany you'd imagine jews and gypsies and other they're gonna get the worst treatment in a totally centralized war economy the the state is gonna decide who eats and who doesn't eat who do you

2:15:46think they're gonna pick you know it's like this stuff just leads to like unbelievable amounts of human suffering and it's uh again how does it send well i mean you know it's there's i guess there's some competing plans like Donald trump said kind of flippantly a few months back that america was gonna take over the gaza strip and turn it into a big beautiful property it's not like he was talking shit yeah me too it was that was what that was what i thought to he said it right beside net and yahu and it's just seen bizarre that he was doing that very strange um but then netanyahu said much more recently just uh the other was a week or two ago said that israel is gonna take over the gaza strip um which that sounds much more likely to me you know i think so i think this is the the weird dynamic kind of here is that i think it's not they're not like so stupid that i'm aware of something that like these guys aren't aware of right like they know that they've lost control of the media they look they know they've lost control of the narrative and they know that they've lost

2:16:50control of the youth in america and at some point you know those 70 year olds watching cable news are gonna age out and die and the people in charge are gonna be this generation that has a totally different view of israel than previous generations they know that but then the question becomes like what do you do with that information and so i i think that there is a part of netanyahu in the israeli war cabinet in the israeli government who are looking at this and going all right so we got we got like ten more years of this relationship you know we got like ten more years of where the us has our back and we can do whatever we want and so you could see where the conclusion from that might be we got to go for it now like if you really do have this greater greater israel project well right now under the trump administration this is your moment he is already vowed he's gonna do whatever to support israel he is totally on your side you have this administration there's every last member of this administration supports israel um so now's the time annex gaza and the

2:17:54west bank and you know parts of seria too and whatever else they want to do so i think they might be going for it you know and then i don't know we'll we'll see i mean they started bombing a rian that's what i thought was like oh boy well they tried they tried to suck trump into a regime change war there you know and it didn't it didn't work um but the whole thing you know the whole the whole twelve day war first of all this thing is not over um we're kind of it like the the fundamentals of the conflict are all still there and in fact i think there was just a few days ago like a couple like israeli spokesman who were already signaling like we may have to go you know see about this again netanyahu himself said when him and trump met in the white house and was a really fascinating moment which i you know i'm not trying to make too much of but it was pretty hilarious in a way like a little microcosm where they asked Donald trump at one point they go so is that it with a round like are we is the war continuing or is it over and he goes well you know i really i don't really

2:18:54want to see it continue but maybe that's a better question for bb you're like what's the way what he's oh i'm sorry you're like well my boss is right here so you might as well ask him which is not exactly true you know i'm not saying that i know jeffrey sacks who i love who is a real expert not unlike me or Douglas Murray but a real expert uh who's you know i don't agree with him on everything but his foreign policy is very good um but he said and i think he was saying it kind of tongue in cheek but he said i i regard netanyahu is the worst US president of my lifetime which is a funny a very funny line um and i get what he's saying well how long has he been running israel well he he came he was prime minister first in 1996 and then he's had a few stints where he was out but he's been in and out so they have a whole time completely different set up obviously yeah yeah you can keep coming back yeah and so he was uh but he's the longest serving prime minister in israeli history uh at this point and but i will say that there are people you know i know people go down you know rabbit holes on twitter and stuff like that

2:19:57and i don't i do think jeffrey sacks is well i think he was being somewhat tongue in cheek when he said it but i do think he's overstating his hand it's not that israel runs america if netanyahu ran america i can promise you we would have had a regime change warrant in around we would not have stopped where Donald Trump stopped if netanyahu was actually in control of the US military instead of just having significant influence over it so like i do think there's i mean i've just read enough netanyahu the lecudniks the neocons this is the regime change war that they've wanted this is their seventh this is seven out of seven to get around so this is what they want and if you actually even look at the war itself it was like they when trump it was before and after trump dropped the bunker busters on their nuclear sites israel just started bombing regime targets if they weren't just bombing their nuclear sites they were trying to overthrow the regime and in fact they like made calls to these areanian generals and threatened their families basically said we're going to kill your families unless you guys what flea right now it just didn't work they weren't going to do

2:21:02that and then once that didn't work they were kind of like and then around gave trump an out you know they responded with this nonsense you know the same thing they did after they after trump killed salamani where they fire these rockets they give us advanced warning they make sure we move everyone out of the way so go because they know they know they don't want to kill an american there because then it's full-scale war but like if they hadn't you know it's so funny because like we put all of this in the mullahs hands and if they had just decided which every military analyst concludes they can touch americans in the region they didn't had they this would have been the net and i think that was the goal i think that was netanyahu's goal of it was to provoke that response that would have led to a regime change war and it didn't work and trump you know to his credit his instinct is to deescalate these things when he can but also to trump's you know fault never should have gotten in the thing to begin with it was all the whole

2:22:04Iranian nuclear threat is as much bullshit as the Iraqi nuclear threat i mean yeah it is true that they have a civilian nuclear program that Iraq didn't have and it as i know i saw when uh mike baker was on i love i love mike baker but i think he's wrong about all this stuff but when he was when you even you had said to him at one point where you were like yeah but like you know the counter argument to that is that this is like a latent nuclear deterrent is the idea not that they're developing a nuclear weapon and and mike was basically like yeah but they're up to 60 percent you know and that's on its way to 90 percent but the thing is why weren't they at 90 percent they didn't have to stop at 60 percent they mastered the fuel cycle and they figured out all this technology a long time ago they could have they could have enriched up to weapons grade why did they stop at 60 percent and why did they then enter negotiations with the United States of America about the level to which they were enriching uranium because it's that it's a latent nuclear deterrent it's a bargaining chip they were down at like three to five percent or something under the jcpa way until trump

2:23:05tore it up until trump backed out of it and then under the rules of the jcpa way because they're still in it with europe and we'll see where that goes now but they were allowed to up the enrichment once america pulled up and so they exercise that option in the agreement and they're you know the idea that they were um you know they're look there was the the annual threat assessment had come out just a few months before the war and tolsy gabbard signed her name at the bottom of it and then testified before congress and it's clear as day she turned around and acted like people were misrepresenting it but they weren't it was clear as day anyone can read it for themselves said they have a ran has not made the political decision to pursue a nuclear weapon yet let alone have achieved it or gotten one and when donald trump was asked about that remember they said your own director of national intelligence says that they're not developing a weapon and he goes well I disagree have you ever seen the i'm sure you have the compilation of netanyahu over the years saying how close iran is great that's great that's great have you seen there's other

2:24:08compilations of him to where he's just guaranteeing like all his guarantees like there's one of him in like i think it's the year before i was born if i'm right it's 1982 and he didn't go by Benjamin netanyahu back then he went by whatever his more you know european sand and name was um and uh they changed names well because they all they all win uh eighties i would guess it's got to be in the eighties it was it was netanyahu by the nineties but in the eighties they were still calling them whatever i can't remember his his previous name but they all kind of you know because the whole thing joe is that they're all you know israel was a european you know construct they were made by a bunch of europeans who came over and created israel but then they have to claim that they're the true symmetric people is it true that that genetic testing is outlawed there i believe that is true i believe that's true i double check me on that but i believe it's true we should definitely that you need like permission from the government to go get the in a test and stuff because i think and i believe this is the problem with the term somatic mm-hmm because if these are

2:25:15european Jewish people this is not the exact same genetics that's right and a genetic test heavily graduate heavily here you can fucking get it at wal-green that's right yeah and focused on medical and reproductive purposes with broad support for carrier screening and pre-implantation diagnosis what does that mean pre-implant pre-implantation diagnosis uh this creates a system where health related genetic testing is robust and often publicly funded but direct to consumer tests for ancestry or paternity are highly restricted now why would you highly restrict anything like that if you wanted just of a human being has bodily autonomy and you want to find out where your ancestors came from why wouldn't that be what do you think you know well look like the only the only real answer to this is that they you know the the israel project of the

2:26:16Zionist project always relied on this kind of claim and which is a crazy claim in a way it's like a like a supernatural property right claim that you know like that you have this which you know if you go there was that great documentary on the settlers in the west bank and they'll all tell you to a man or to a woman they focus a lot on that godmother of the settlers woman but they'll all explain to you like in very plain english with hebu accent that god promised them all this land and so like god promised us all this land so like I don't know who these other people are here but god didn't promise it to them he promised it to us and so you know that's but they like that's kind of the claim that were the original people of this land and so we have like a right to come back here now forget for a second the fact that nobody conceives a property rights in this fashion and any other what like nobody thinks I could like come up with a DNA test and be like oh I've got some Ukrainian in here all right well I'm gonna march into Ukraine knock on a door and be like this is actually my house because I was here a thousand years ago like that but it's crazy well block evidence that

2:27:20if not really a good argument well let's just say hypothetically if say the truth is that um the Jews of two thousand years ago weren't actually kicked out of the land but in fact they were forced to convert and that actually those people who you're saying were never promised the land are actually the people who were promised the land and then converted to Islam and in fact you're just some European who came in here way after that that I'm just saying hypothetically if that was the case that would be something that maybe you would want to control the information of in that wild well you know I don't want this whole show to be such a Debbie Downer well no okay I'll end I'll I'll I will make a real positive a real positive case about this okay because I do actually I'm not a pessimist and I want to make sure I'm not just a downer you know I saw too late well yeah okay one trying okay well I've done whatever I've done 17 episodes being a downer so let me don't I'll give you a few minutes you know I saw it so I was I hung out with

2:28:25Ron Paul a little bit as I was telling you I was at his part of the other day and um you know it's like uh every time I see him he always asks me the same question and it's always like the feeling like this like fatherly like there's the right answer to this and a wrong answer to this but um he always goes uh he goes so Dave are you more optimistic or pessimistic and I always say optimistic because I know that's the correct and every time he asks me this and I say optimistic he just nods his head he's like like it's just like correct that's the correct answer you're not allowed to be pessimistic you got to be optimistic and I am I am optimism sees a better world ahead and and offers potential solutions and at least a mindset yeah of a potential solution the problem with pessimism is there's no way out other than complete anarchy and destruction that's right and you don't you kind of I think this I mean I feel this way particularly I think when you have kids this becomes like a more focused I think that uh the way I look at it is because I have kids I don't

2:29:28have an option to be pessimistic I don't have an option to be blackpilled or just feel bad about it's like I don't know I got little kids they're gonna win her at this world I got to do everything I can to you know like I I mean I've said this before to you but like the example I think of is like if you like uh let's say you're you're in your house with your family and like you've you've got like let's say a gun or two in the house and then you look outside and you see like there's like a 10 guys with guns charging the house and it's just you and you just have your one or two guns there's 10 guys with guns charging the house and your family is in the house like you don't have the right as like the man of your house you don't have a right to sit there and go oh man there's 10 of them and only one of me I mean I just think the future looks bleak you know what I don't care but I don't know you know your house better than them right what do you got there you got some gasoline in your shed okay shoot the shed that blows up a few of them get get your family into the attic get them into the basement you got to try you still have a fighting shot here so you don't have a right to just sit there and feel bad about yeah the odds are against you but you know crazy things

2:30:29have happened I will say we you think it's that bad 10 guys to one no I'm just saying even in a scenario and you're in your analogy it's like you're fucked sure but even in that no I don't know that your I don't know that you're necessarily fucked I mean hey listen dude depends if you're John Wick well yeah but also you have there's a big advantage to a house that you know that other people don't know I was too far the time people with guns come to your house they have a pretty good understanding I'm not okay maybe it's not the perfect I'm not saying it's going to work out well I'm saying in that moment you still go out you still go out trying okay now I think we have a way better situation than that I think that good the I think that well look I think that tyranny has always relied on propaganda and that we are running an experiment for like the first time where they're flying with no net they don't have a propaganda apparatus anymore like at all well they certainly don't have control yeah over narratives anymore Donald Trump can't even control what

2:31:33Tucker Carlson is gonna say right you know what I mean like like you can't even count on your most influential right wing voice in America to go like there was never anything like this before there was never even just in recent times there was never something George W Bush could have done where you'd be like tonight on Fox News Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity are gonna tear him apart that didn't exist right there was never anything Obama could have done where Rachel Maddo was gonna tear him apart right that right we have that for the first time now people are waking up in a way to this stuff that's like never happened before right and I think that gives us like enormous potential for positive things to happen in the future now and the other thing that's happening is that like economically speaking our our system is being pushed to a point where eventually they're gonna have to call it quits on all of this like we just can't keep going up like the day I think it was I forget the exact recent numbers but it's something like it's over $1.2 trillion a year just on interest on the debt interest on the debt is like overtaking the

2:32:39entire budget and at a certain point there someone's gonna have to call it quits then be like we just got to start raining this thing back in if they lose all of their popular support and all of their economic ability to keep running up the debt and keep the printing machines going then I think there there's gonna have to be a huge adjustment made there and I do think like well this was Elon's argument yeah yeah that's right yeah which is why he wanted this massive economic reform yep this is why he wanted to do an audit audit on everything he saw how that worked out well okay but he was right yeah but that was still also like the first attempt at that yes and he was right about that stuff so okay so so yes that didn't work you know doge was a failure in terms of actually getting cuts done right now but it was a huge success in terms of like putting a spotlight on this issue and and putting it into the national consciousness in a way that it's never been before yes and so now it's like okay well what will the second attempt what will the third attempt like look like and how you know we have a new world now where Donald Trump won the presidency in

2:33:43no small part by coming on this show by going on uh Andrew Schultz show and Theo Vaughn show and you know like all these different and and now we're coming up on the next presidential like like for the foreseeable future in order to win the presidency they kind of know they got to come here and to all of ours and present something that might get you and your audience like okay he's he's coming with something here this is such a new dynamic that i just think like the potential for good is off the charts and so like yeah in the short term things are still the same government policy is still what it is and and the people don't really have much control over that but i think like long term i'm very bullish on the ability of people to really wake up and understand what's going on here apparently there's some real talk about uh changing the uh status of marijuana yeah yeah i was reading about that a couple weeks ago right but there's something that just came

2:34:44out yesterday too where they're they think that Trump might declassify it and take it from a schedule one to a schedule three which would change everything and open it was an article about the economics of it because they were talking about these businesses how they're taxed and how you federally they're still operating like criminals yeah that's how it's viewed by the federal government views it as a schedule one substance you're you know like and if you get arrested for it you're fucked where they're going to change the right now they have a limited ability to bank there's interest rates are all fucked up everything's fucked up and just out of loan would make a huge economic impact i mean if you if you want to do something first of all you would kill a lot of the interest or excuse me a lot of the um financial interest that the cartels have in it if if all the sudden it becomes legal here like the cartels probably and they're probably going to be involved still a little bit because they're involved in it already they're involved in avocados i had uh

2:35:47ed calderon on yesterday was explaining how they're they're involved in illegal fuel the human trafingies giant business there they're they have many many horrible interests but you would at the very least you would empower american businesses to do it legally and normally and you know have organic marijuana air quotes because some of the stuff they're finding in California that the cartels running is they're using these terrible pesticides and herbicides that are like insanely toxic and illegal everywhere else you can't use them on american crops but yet they're using them on this marijuana and that's the least sold that like the spenceries and so that's being sold it's 90% of all the marijuana that's sold in all the places where marijuana is illegal right the cartels right growing right and they're growing it in california in national forest because it's a misdemeanor to get caught illegally growing marijuana in california there's a great book uh John Norris hidden war that's all about that he's a game warden who had to find out about this the

2:36:50hard way and then became a part of a tactical unit where they would go in and and fight the cartels in the woods how about that yeah yeah it's fucking crazy so if he does that that'll be another good thing um the other good thing that he's been doing is getting these people together that have been in conflict forever and making them shake hands and and having conversations peace talks like how many different people have how many different countries have had representatives agree to peace talks because of trump i was reading this breakdown of all the different i think intervened in the and that intervened but he with the india pakistan thing i know he got all of them on the phone and he's um you know i obviously just had puttin over here um but yeah i think there was a few few examples of that which is great it's great yeah so there's the it's not all negative well it's not not only is it great right but it's isn't it so insane that it dude that it took this long

2:37:54for like just with the puttin and Donald Trump that like that like i always say i know this is kind of like a hippie-ish thing to say but i think the world needs a little bit more of that um but like okay it's kind of crazy that war still exists it's it's kind of crazy that were at the you know like you don't most feel like if you if you saw society and you're like what you've gotten to the point where like you have the written language and two story buildings you'd be like you probably should have figured out something other than war at this point but yeah you know you're talking about a society with the internet and skyscrapers and heart surgery and like all these things and like you still but still and we have international governance of some sort you know you have the united nations and things like this and you're telling me like there is international law and like the first rule isn't that like if any countries are ever going to go to war you guys have to get in a room together like before we go to war we need to know that we've exhausted every alternative option that there is especially when it's the united states and russia you know what i mean

2:38:54and yet it took all this time for the first time for the two leaders of them to sit down and meet it's crazy but on the positive side they did just sit down and meet that's a lot better than not sitting down in meeting and that's what's unique about him is that he wants these things to happen he truly doesn't want us to be going to war i mean he ran on that and i think it's true and despite what happened in iran like it was at least limited and it seems like there was some communication that made it limited you know well there's no question having a president whose default setting was to desire an off ramp made a huge difference there yeah because you know if you had had like if this was a dick chaney george w bush type of presidency they could have found any excuse you know what i mean like once you get to that point they could have found any reason to keep it going yeah but at least that kind of made sense to me because there were these right wing people whereas the seeing the left wing calling for war and saying that you cram was going to win

2:39:56this thing like god damn what happened yeah how did it how did it flip how did it flip the view if you want a conclusion to the war that you're supporting Putin how did how did that flip how did it flip where people aren't trying to exhaust every possible way to stop the end of the killing of all these people that are conscripted and sent to the front lines to die when they don't want to be there yeah yeah no that's right it's crazy well also even though like the you know what people were like bragging about like the twelve day war you know which again not clear that it's over yet you don't really get to decide that until years later you know they didn't call it world war one until world war two came around and then you go oh that was the first world war um was it say six wars and six months i've settled six wars in six months one of them possible nuclear disaster trump wrote and true social on august eighteen before meeting with european leaders and Ukrainian president flotterman zalinsky at the white house where he made a similar

2:40:58claim i know exactly what i'm doing and i don't need the advice of people who have been working on all these conflicts for years and were never able to do a thing to stop them so click on that where it says six wars in six months it seems to be a link oh it's just his post what are the six wars throw that into rock why did there's other i can trade out our crisis i'm just interested in like what he is uh what what what wars are is he's claiming to abandon breakthroughs because i know he has had these people get together how many wars is really Iran okay well you don't get to count that one there's dan in india um rowanda and the democratic republic of the Congo june the two go back and june the two countries signed a peace agreement in Washington aimed at ending decades of conflict trump said it would help increase trade between them and the u.s what's the next one um tyland and cambodia on 26th of july trump posted on true social

2:42:04i'm calling the acting prime minister of tyland right now to to likewise request a ceasefire and end to the war which is currently raging a couple days later the two countries agree to an immediate and unconditional ceasefire after less than a week of fighting at the border malaysia held the peace talks but president trump threatened to stop separate negotiations on reducing u.s tariffs in less tyland and cambodia stopped fighting let's look at this one armenian as a by john uh... the leaders of both countries had trump should receive the nobel peace prize for his efforts in securing a peace deal which was announced at the white house on eight of august i think he gets good credit here the overall off assigning ceremony may have pushed the parties to peace uh... says mr. o'handland and march the two governments that said they were ready to end their nearly forty year conflict centered on the status of the how do you say that nagoral nagoran nagoran no carabakh your guess is good as much i'll let you let's you figure that one out most recent serious outbreak of

2:43:08fighting was in september twenty twenty third when as a by john c's the enclave where many ethnic armenians lived egypt and ethio pia here's another one um after twelve years of disagreement egypt's foreign minister said on the twenty-ninth of june that talks with ethio pia had ground to a halt trump said if i was egypt i'd want the water in the nile he promised that the u.s. was going to resolve the issue very quickly egypt welcome trump's words but ethio been a bit officials say they risked in flaming tensions no formal deals been reached okay sirbia and kosavo uh... trump claimed to prevent an outbreak of hostilities between them saying sirbia kosavo or was going to go at it going to be a big war i said you go at it there's no trade with the united states they said well maybe we won't go at it he talks is so you're just so you just know that is a trump quote the two countries signed an economic normalization agreement in the oval office with the president in twenty twenty but they

2:44:08were not at war at the time um so it doesn't say that that's been resolved is that it yeah okay yeah i think like some of them haven't totally been resolved well i think the east he's trying the Armenian one i think is the one he should get the most credit for because they did sign that piece deal in the white house and both the leaders did say like yeah donald trump really play a huge role in this with the other things you kind of never know but this is a new and unique thing that this guy i mean he's only been in office for eight months and that he's like actively pursuing all these international conflicts trying to get these people together to stop it no that stuff is all very good um so you know yeah now i don't give them any credit for the i mean let's try to say this i do give him credit like i said before for the for taking the off ramp when he had it on the twelve day war but the thing about that one is that he just never needed to launch the thing to begin with and i don't know you know i'm not even sure he did launch it to be honest it's it's kind of unclear how that happened because they were in negotiations with the Iranians and then

2:45:09Israel attacked them and then after israel attacked them trump said basically we were all in on it together which might be true but i do know that talker karlson said i'm not revealing anything privately said this on the record he's he knows wit cough who was the guy who was point manning the negotiations and he was like it is absolutely not true that these were like fake negotiations designed to trick the Iranians so israel could get their shot off that that's just not true now i don't know exactly what's right there what's not so now you have to cover for your friend because your friend through the first punch mm-hmm well i know that trump was upset because he let it out that he was upset that after he called for the ceasefire israel just started bombing the crap out of him and he was like what do you guys do in man but then he turns around and still supports everything they're doing well they have conversations they have meetings yeah fuck the thing about it is though is that going forward i think this is like the more important thing is that going forward that this problem is not off the table you know they're saying that trump's going to say

2:46:09he completely destroyed you know aran's nuclear program but that's not clear at all and everything the Iranians are saying is that they are going to continue having a civilian nuclear program and they have the technology and the know how like they can rebuild this thing and so then the question is like if they do what do we want to do next about that and what's great is that this at least was a little war that didn't result in like a major catastrophe still a catastrophe for the people who died and there were aranians and israelis who died in this war it wasn't like it was bloodless but at least it maybe gives us some time to go like for the next go around to just be like we don't need to go to war over a civilian nuclear program at first off we shouldn't go to war over nuclear weapons program like what is that like uh what's uh Truman was the president when the Soviet unions developed nuclear weapons Soviet unions Joseph Stalin developed nuclear weapons and he didn't attack them over that it's like we're going to launch a war of aggression because you're developing the same weapons we have and I think it was johnson was president when Mao say tongue the

2:47:14most evil man who's ever lived developed nuclear weapons and never there's like a war of aggression launched over that everyone's so convinced we got to do it over around but anyway they weren't even pursuing nuclear weapons hopefully the next go around the american people have even had it even more and I'm like yeah we're just not supporting this anymore do you remember when Obama had a press conference and talked about we give a speech talk about that we were going to go to war with Syria do you remember that announced it and everybody was like what the fuck are you talking that's right and then they said uh forget it and you know it was a huge part of that was it was like the first war the internet shut down you know like it was like and it was it was uh well I think Steve vannon had a lot to do with that he was over at bright bar at the time and they really got on the like we are not supporting this war but then there were like it was all over twitter where there were the active duty military guys and they would dress up in like they would put on the military uniform but cover their face and then just like hold the sign that's like I will not

2:48:15fight for al-Qaeda in Syria because those guys knew what that was this is by the way the whole thing this is where they tried to smear Tulsi Gabbard this one Barry Weiss was on here and said she's in Assad toady and then didn't know what toady meant or whatever but like they tried it it's almost like they try to tell you this story like what what would that even mean what are they saying right what's the claim Tulsi Gabbard is secretly loyal to a Syrian dentist who became the dictator of the country like that doesn't make any sense does that why would Tulsi Gabbard have been so against that war well the reason she was against that war is because she actually knew the first thing about it unlike all these other people I'm like Barry Weiss who didn't even know what the word toady meant as she was calling her that Tulsi Gabbard for whatever you might say about her and I've got some criticisms of her myself but she knows who the Shiites are and who the Sunnis are and she knows which camp is on which side and what and she knew that the on the other side of Bashar al-Assad in the civil war which was started by Barack Obama on the other side of this was Isis and al-Qaeda

2:49:18and her whole thing was she signed up she enlisted to go fight al-Qaeda because they hit us on 9-11 and so she's always furious the actually Tulsi supports the war on terrorism too much I would argue she she just objected to the war for terrorism she was like I just don't think we should fight wars for al-Qaeda I believe we ought to fight them against al-Qaeda and that was her that was her beef with that one she was absolutely right about it and by the way al-Qaeda's in charge of the country now yeah whoops whoops that'll work that'll work that well I'm sure it works everywhere every time we overthrow a country it works out great it always it's always better let me did a good we did a real good job there well did you see well this was the crazy thing for the people who were advocating regime change in the 12-day war and Iran they were always you see they were like there were Israeli government officials who are posting pictures of the Sun of the Shaw like the implication being that he would come back to come back into power because what was he's in is that in England so now the the war on terrorism started with spreading democracy and in its

2:50:21ends phase were spreading uh uh hi what's the word I'm looking for uh a monarchy uh hereditary monarchy or something it's like yeah but also by the way what do you think the odds are that if we over through the mullahs that the Sun of the Shaw just walks back into power and all the warring factions just go yeah no that's you know the US propped him up in 1953 so then yeah okay he's the rightful ruler like I don't think so dude listen man I've had enough getting bummed out well I'm not trying to bunch it just there's so much going that's the problem with being alive today is you're you're paying attention to so many different conflicts yeah but dude it's like over the world yeah but like in the 20th century you know like there were two world wars and there was all this horrible you know and then like but today like dude we live in like the most amazing time dude I mean there's literally well listen man I mean this the most sincere thing I've ever said

2:51:22in my life my son was born with a congenital heart defect that would have killed him in almost any other time period unless I was alive today or in the last 10 years when 30 years ago that I would have lost my son and today's fine he's great cute as a little boy in the world you ever seen and so like I don't know I'd still rather live today than any other time just for that alone no doubt and and we have an ability to like reach people and trade with each other and communicate with each other we're really close to like curing all types of of diseases and ailments and extending life and and extending you know people are educated and connected in a way that they've never been before you know we got all these problems but we've had lots of problems before I just think we're aware of the problems now that's right and which is the first step to recognizing them and then going after them and trying to resolve them that'll be our kids generation yeah you will just be recognizing them and then we'll leave it to them to solve it uh gonna have some fun this weekend at the mothership my favorite weekend of every year well it's always awesome to have

2:52:25wait hold on comedy-wise maybe I do something with the wife and kids look at that guy didn't trouble for that but it's uh your podcast tell everybody how to get it it's everywhere part of the problem uh is my political podcast Legion of Skanks is the knucklehead comedy podcast but it's also very fun uh so go check that out and then uh yeah um above the mothership shows all sold out next year passionate of the mothership yes all right thanks brother you're the man bye everybody