Jordan Klepper

0:00Here we go. Do I have to promo? I don't have to promo anything with you, right? You don't have to. I got some shows. I'm doing on the road, but they get they get good on my website if you want to put Guys, real regular Watch the daily show, you know what? Yeah, support linear television watching at 11 o'clock at night That's what would you shut up guys? You're not even guys. You're I knew intro with you here I know I am a lot of amad the mechanic was on here. He patted himself down brought his own padding. Yeah Yeah, we kind of give it a time to kill feel extra sweat on that little sweaty I like to shine because it gives a sense of urgency Like I'm like I'm like I'm like frantic with you are the audience is like I need to switch to audio only is that the kind of well They know that this is urgent This is I'm trying to diffuse a bomb over here. I'm gonna get a close-up of a sweat sweat drop Um, this is I haven't even done the intro one time Intro for this episode. I'll give you a little anecdote

1:00What do we start? You know, we started this is a gone off the rails before you even got on the rail One time was pitching a movie with Mike sure this is the year was 1999 Mike sure's gone on to create a lot of shows You like parks and rack or whatever pitching a movie. It's not going well, okay? And it's it was sure turned to talk and he's and he I want and I I'd like to zoom in with my eyes and he just had one Droplet of sweat coming Coming down his then sure we'll confirm that He I'm sure he watches the show If not every episode Every other one Guys my guest today is Stonework he Daily show correspondent You're saying JFK junior is still alive and spending his time in the background at trope route And and host they're all hosts They're all player coaches now Comedy Central said why make a decision if we name one of them hosts

2:04We have to pay them host money if we keep them all as correspondence. They get correspondence money Is it a bump? Yeah, it's a bump, but it's probably not great Although this guy I feel like because he came from position of power. He started doing a field pieces Called Jordan Klepper fingers the pulse At one point I watched one early on and said you should close everyone by saying I'm Jordan Klepper and you just got fingered he didn't go for it Didn't do it. I still think it's a good idea Um, and He's a he's a very good host at the show. He's very at these these these finger the pulses Are they still called for any pulse? They're still called finger the pulse. He they get millions of hits Now having said that he has to take at least two flights To every place he shoots a there is no direct He is not filming in places anyone wants to go directly Does he go to Charlotte a lot for a connection? He does Atlanta you betcha Dallas. Yes, anyone anything. I'm missing Chicago probably. Yeah, I don't stay at any of those places

3:09No, these are he then he stays the airport connects to a flight to through Atlanta Yep, or even driving so deep into Pennsylvania, which is a one-day drive But there's still a layover because time works differently when you're driving to the middle of nowhere pencil It really does, doesn't it? How's your diet on the road? Terrible, you know, yeah, I have gout and so literally literally have gout Literally, this is what happens. This is all like oh it's glam from this is this is this is room This is this guy's paying the price this guy's paying the cost to be the boss. Oh, yes When you live in weird airports across the country. Yeah, when you what's a good restaurant when you see On the road you're always rooting for a panero. Okay Panera is gonna be the best option. You get a bacon turkey bravo at a panera. Okay, bacon Well, bacon's not great for the gout. No, but the but you're not getting burgers You're not gonna fried chicken. You're not getting french fries. You have an option for salad. You never take it So you're hoping you get the soup and you throw it away

4:10They offer you the bread the apple and if your friend's not looking you take the bread. Yeah, you always take the bread You're yeah more over the night you're getting our bees you're getting McDonald's you're getting that It's what I try to do my healthy move at these hotels usually is you just try not to eat And then you splurge on a late-night dominoes or poppajans poppajans and dominoes dominoes better I think so are there more a lot of are there are there more dominoes In general then poppajans. I believe there are poppajans. You dip in butter. You dip in butter. They have the garlic sauce You dip that in butter On the road you you know coming from New York. I expect you know We have long days of shooting or what have you and you're like oh, I'll get some food later than that. Everything should have said about 830. Yeah, 830 in America. It's it's soul-crushing When you've been working and you go to in your hand and then you see them you go to the restaurant and you see them Doing catch ups wiping the exams you're like

5:10When I do like stand-up shows or storytelling or what I yeah I don't eat at all that there's just no the timing never works. Yeah, it's oh, it's Do you want food before I don't want to eat before yeah, you get out at 930 like oh everything Everything is closed. Yeah, you got nuts. Do you eat now? I mean honestly you end up Eating an almonds. Yeah, you you you raid that Hilton thing which gives you like ice cream like microwave burritos What's the Hilton thing the club? Are you know you're like no? Oh god no no like the that you walk in there and behind the guy at the desk Oh, right, right, right, you're probably a member of the club and they'll give you one free item. I don't like you may do that at them No, oh you oh one of those guys that every time you're from the bill burr school bill burr once screamed at me about this Really that they're going to use it against you somehow I mean screaming at me. Oh, I think they're already using it against you. You're not a reliant on going to Hilton Yeah, but if I can get something in return I feel like I'm get I'm very cheap So I'm very like I'm gonna use the mile. They're not trust me. These miles are not expiring

6:16Look at me. They're not where I'm I will stay alive to use these miles to use them continuously I mean I have friends who will never touch them because they have some vague idea of a wild trip 10 years. Yes No, I use them. I view I off. I family. Yeah flights Hotel stuff like that. It's they get used. Yeah, somebody's using them. I cash mine out every like six months catch them Okay, how'd I do you cash or you use them? No, I use them. Okay. Yeah, I go I go back down to zero Every year. I usually use them for some sort of what's your highest membership? I think I'm I think I'm platinum now for Hilton Delta No, see the hotel. I'm about to be guys Your boys about to be diamond on Delta. Is that right? Yeah, but what is it? What is that? There's there's a weird HQ or a TQ's you have to get you've seen the circle Yeah, it's I did it with I did it with cash. I did it with I don't I haven't I've gotten like three flights for 40,000 Not like so I really I've been having to go to Europe a lot and it's not been yeah

7:16It's been I'd spend thank you to my sponsors Uh, better help. Thank you rag and bone Some of the others Tushy course. That's Tushies. I don't know if they're still around, but you got a rag and bone. That's a high end. That's nice Thank you. That's a lot of trust They've done like four ads. This is a rag and bone shirt. I was gonna say that's like a that that that that kind of furs a stylish I know. I know. Uh, Gerard Carmichael once referred to rag and bone as showrunner clothes, which is He I think it was a disc, but it was it was a great. It was great Anyhow, so are you okay? So you were you were like You were at the with the way it works. The Daily Show. It's a bit of a not a sink or swim thing But it's a bit of like a hey, you know if you have any ideas Pitch them if we have ideas will will make you do them Yeah, and uh and so when did the fingers the pulse start working I was when I got in I got in like a year and a half before John

8:20Left the first time the first leaving time and This is why I'm saying John's leaving. No, that's not there's no He's he's not a John learned his lesson. He's not leaving. Nobody's leaving any of the jobs. Yes. That's correct at the time I took over for John. I mean, they're gonna get all get canceled. What have you heard? Have you heard stuff? They're all gonna get canceled, but they're not leaving them They're gonna leave them, but it's not gonna be it. They're not gonna quit No, we're we are you're gonna have to chase us out of there. We are In it When I took over John Oliver left I took over essentially his position and at that point like Sam B and Jason Jones were there people have been there for a long time Jessica Williams and I was the hungry one so they were throwing me out on everything and so I was only and you really were like I'll go anywhere of course. I mean, I was the dream job. I loved doing the field pieces I felt I've come to I came from an improv background. So field stuff was always most playful And I would do man on the streets Then after John left, you know Trevor came in and that as Trump was taking over and things were all shaped

9:24There were there are out any political season. There's more man on the street more events like that Yeah, and we're also sort of looking for like ways to brand niche and what have you know, I was like I like going to these rallies and also Trevor was very loose about what he wanted from like Field pieces in the John days some of the field pieces Which was the aesthetic it was also sort of John's purview like you had a clear idea of what you were going to get before you walked out the door Yeah, there's space for serendipity, but you sort of knew like yeah, it was kind of written It was like I know yeah, I know that we're gonna we're talking to these people we pre-reviewed So just straight man on the street. We really did that at the time at the show at that time And Trevor came in and was sort of like go go with God and also this was the this was the mago world We're suddenly like yeah, what is going there? We just have questions go. We still don't really know That's what's great about it. You still have no idea. We had no idea. We'll never really know what happened No, that it truly is like the bermuda. It's the Bigfoot the Bermuda triangle now Now the irony is it's the same I'd say I think the the greatest

10:27analog Yeah, for mago world is the national climber like Elizabeth Taylor Elvis Aliens Bigfoot conspiracies Swiss drug Spaz just and it's that like bubbled up and then you can actually get outside meet other people who do that The convention. Yeah, and they they're used to not there was no way to meet those people and now they're it's as much a lifestyle convention As a political more lifestyle than political. I think people miss how attracted that is also to Like these older generations. I was an event in Wisconsin after To throw away to find it was I think it was Madison maybe an hour and a half outside of Madison and And I remember talking to old ladies probably late 60s grandmas. Yeah, sweet Wisconsin grandmas I thought we were gonna talk about abortion. Robby wave was all the conversation on the news And we went out there and they they were deep QAnon they were deep

11:30JFK juniors still being alive So JFK juniors still alive what yeah, and it was it was they're happy It was probably and March hats macromay it's f**k shirts. Yeah, and that's key chains That's they hop online like it was quilting. Yeah. Oh, I got two hours. What I'm gonna do Searching out conspiracies gives you a sense of power and pride and you figure something out And then you come to this event and that other person has done that conspiracy and it's it really is and you compare Conspiracy compared conspiracies you buy fun merch for it all because the parade has come through town. Yeah, there's parades Don't usually come through town. No, and the most important person the most famous person who's ever existed on planet earth of all time Comes to your little shit down. I somebody Sam Harris said that Donald Trump's the most famous person who ever lived and I I Don't want to acknowledge it. It's a I think it's probably true. It's a terrible fact But I would you'd be hard pressed to think of

12:31A living living because you got it Jesus But if we're really doing this you're right living. Yes as far as like A cultural figure but somebody at their time who was aware of them the population as a create if you're talking of like The gang is con. Yeah, have you like information in travel like you did now information travels now the population is so big I also think like January 6th is perhaps the most well-documented crime of all time There's more cameras more More footage of an ongoing crime Yeah, yeah, and uh I mean you know you want to talk about the A thing that I would have bet money wouldn't I thought if everyone got body cams That would be the end of kind of like Criminal defense just like ah And no it's because that We got Amp like endless video evidence and then at the same time as AI um and at the same time as

13:32Complete disinformation Truth is not a salve but it doesn't it doesn't end the story. No, it's just the beginning now One of my favorite I interviewed so many people I was there January 6th Excuse me is this addition happening over here interview people after January 6th. What if he said everybody should go Little pigs with that you still vote for them then I would still vote for him people I talked to beforehand were there at January 6th But what are the guys whose hands out the most I interviewed a man after he served time for January 6th He did his time three months. He did three months. He was but this guy he told me the story leader paid Agitators and motivators that were in that crowd. He drove to DC met up some some guys outside DC They shot gun beers over breakfast and then they went to the Capitol um They he he got in a fight with the police officer. It was on tape before before on January 6th Okay, like during the during the Ryan or this So on this is pre-gamer pre-game pre-games. Yeah, he pre-games because we out all be yeah He meets because it's a high school. It's a high school field trip

14:33It is and it really the other comparison that's always apt in this is I'm from Michigan like college football. It's tailgating And it's that energy and it's and when I go to Michigan games I put on hats I put on silly outfits and you see other people who put on fight cops. Yeah, if you fight some If you lose you fight a cop you fight a cop. I see why we get shot. Yeah, I haven't did every mission But this guy he's there. He's for that and then then he gets in a fight and it's caught on camera And then he goes inside the Capitol and then he gets arrested. Do not see your actions as violent that day I see the self-defense Then they arrest him He has his trial. They show the video. He pleads guilty And then I asked this man who chose to go to January 6th who chose to punch a cop There's a video of him punching a cop who pleads guilty. I asked him who did January 6th And he says it was an inside job. They were manipulating people. Absolutely. How did they manipulate you to punch a cop? Not just trying to be funny. That makes no fucking sense. It's not him. It's like this is the guy who did January 6th

15:35He did January was an inside job. Who does he talk about the FBI agent that wave people through You know how that's how crime works is if an if an FBI guy waves you through Then it's not a crime. I think I think yeah. I think deep state is his idea. Right. Well, but he was just so But I know people that were I know somebody people that didn't believe in COVID Got it almost died and then said like yeah, but I think it's overstated. It's like how much more proof Do you need and the truth is some more? Well Identity identity. I know I know really is it's like yeah This is What does it say about me if I if I believe that COVID exists then I'm a I'm a bitch I've already created a narrative for this. Yeah, and our brains are constantly working to try to create a narrative So that we are the hero and everything you say is correct and you just see that constantly working So far so good for us. We're doing great. We are the heroes of our own story Protagonist here. Yeah, but that is where it's it's not a piece of information that will

16:39Do that I always get asked that how do you change people's minds and it doesn't it don't have it on the road You don't you don't and that's not the purpose of those pieces right but the closer the purposes to say snarky should you have to be snarky and funny And do you think they think you're funny No What do they think do they? Is the energy going into it Uh for them is it like I'm gonna Best this yeah, I'm gonna beat this Yankee some The people who recognize me are like screw this guy don't talk to this guy. Are they hostile sometimes? Yeah Some people are like oh, I see this guy. Let's get at it And then that becomes more debate that they're they're eager to best me and I know this guy He's an internet guy. Let me take him down More often than not people I mean they'll sign waivers. They know they're on TV. Yeah, but they What's the waiver say is it paramah is it is it yeah, it says it's I don't think it doesn't exist anymore Yeah, it's all in there and so they're they're they're aware of this sometimes they're aware of the daily show sometimes they're aware of paramount

17:43Yeah, um, but they are signing that they agreed to be on the camera and I think they They don't enter into it more often. They're not they're not entering into it combative and they're not walking out that way They're not usually not our intention. So some of these Some of these retorts that I have or what have you go over their heads. Yeah, or again hypocrisy is not Landing on them. I I More often I will have an interview with somebody and I will especially when the campaign was going on I'll go to another rally a month and a half later. I'll see that person. Yeah come up They're like you want to talk again and they'll have seen it and early John days on the road We lived in worlds where Somebody would have seen a daily showpiece and they would have been embarrassed by it right that like the That was the point the general understanding of culture was that what you believe right here is ludicrous Yeah, but now I do think Trump has warped this They can fully see them say something what that appears insane to Perhaps a left leading audience, but to them is just being paraded by everybody around them

18:43I think I'd say on a TV to the face of this guy and so it's like great. I got another crazy one for you So that is the hypocrisy of it is no longer shameful in fact, it's it's disregarded They said I said on here shamelessness is is bravery now I like that. It's like literally like I'm I'm I'm strong. I'm a soldier for It's nonsense, but I'm Dedicated it's and that's rewarded the dedications rewarded more than ideological Consistency or ideological Like hygiene or it or just like morality and that's his that's they by the way they think they're gonna beat the pope Yeah, JD Vance. I think it's very very important for the pope to be careful when he talks about matters of theology It's like do you guys at

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24:54Thanks zock-dock for sponsoring this message And the and like last time I mean they all go to jail Meaning all the people they don't they don't realize like everyone who worked with the guy goes to jail They got pardoned, but they all were supposed to go to jail Maybe but maybe not you guys I mean, I don't my faith that accountability is is waning so who knows I announced her yet maybe maybe yeah Um, okay the What what do you find in terms of doing those pieces? Do you go into them with any performance Style that you aspire to is it about like clear your head is it about like what what are you going into it with yeah? I think it's a few things I learned something from Jason Jones early on which is shut up and give people space To hang themselves. Yeah, you know my Midwest nice and my improv sensibility, you know hates that silence in that scene

26:00Yeah, and I would do those initial interviews and remember These were more traditional daily show interviews were sitting down across from somebody else And there's that weird awkward beat and that weird awkward moment and I would I would relieve them of that awkward So step one is let that moment sit yeah play it's revealing And do you find that they bite? 70% of the time I mean for me I will say when I walk in there there is there is a lot of prep work that we do before a field piece We sort of think of it as debate prep, you know I'm going out this this week as well and we have a meeting we talk about where you go basically I'm going to Phoenix Okay, direct direction. Yeah, and then probably a little puddle jumper in our time. Yeah, Flagstap. Yeah Gonna bring get a grip on man off the flagstap. Please panera be in the area But we will We'll just talk about you know possible things we want to talk about some holes in logic some jokes You know, we usually leave with like a few pages of like jokes or bits or things that right about I read a moment. I had them loosely in my head

27:00And then you you let it go and you just chat right They go in much more interesting places And if you're if you're trying to play towards a joke that you thought was funny three days ago You're not going to find it no play at all the best moments are these moments of revelation and the improv it Improvisors slash improv teacher in me is I walk in there. I want I want to make that person feel as comfortable as possible The best stuff comes when they're talking to me like I'm that buddy at the bar They're revealing something they're not on guard because and this where you see it with the news media where sometimes There's more revealing things that will happen with a finger the pulse piece than what you get with the news media Because they're guarded and then the news media has to be Stoic in their approach to somebody else I'm very kind in my approach and that's not disingenuine. It's earnest. It's like I do want to know I want to make you feel comfortable I want to make you feel open about the things that you believe. I want to say yes to the things and so do you feel Do you approach it like you You have value as a person like meaning Political disagreement as not like you just like no they deserve their day in court

28:04They deserve to be heard out every single person had you know what I mean? I I like to think that I approach it with a sense of kindness. I'm simultaneously furious at some of the things that I hear yeah, but From the Midwest we all we all have people with different points of view And political views in our families. I get that. I spent a lot of time with these rallies now I made friend at these rallies. Yeah, I brought I brought somebody who I've seen at he's been to a hundred rallies I brought him to a Kamala rally last year and we spent a day and a half together Edward He's great when we don't talk about politics. We talk about music. We have a great was the Did you do a piece about him being in the Kamala? Yes, he was He was fascinating. He was such a good sport. What are you expecting today at a Kamala Harris rally? Oh, I expect to see the Hate actors who pretend to be your supporters so many people who are there again They make this their identity. Yeah, but they hold the politics loosely. What time do you usually get in line? At least 24 hours in advance and at a Trump rally if you want to go to one if you get there by nine o'clock

29:04You're not going to get in which is where sometimes the liberal Argument of like these facts will change it's like it's no it's the show that's fun And this is the identity and this guy was it's like hey man fish isn't good music Right like what What are you talking about this is this guy Edward Edward's great Edward was a grateful dead. He was a dead head He was Obama big Obama support. Yeah, I would have said 20 years ago. He says grateful. That's not good I again, but I don't it's not my kind of music Etc. But but the people that like it like fish is a great example my buddy do you do a fish show? I'm not a fish friend I don't listen to them. Show is great. It's so communal I really went to a fish concert and at Madison Square Garden and the first thing that I reacted to I walked in 30 minutes before the show starts and The whole the whole bottom floor is people in circles talking to one another nobody's like nobody's just staring looking at the stage They were all talking to each other. Yeah, it's like what what is this alien experience? Yeah

30:07I was like oh, they'd been the night before or the night before that and they were all just they're just seeing each other Yeah, I've never I go there. I stand in the corner. I look up there. I try not to make eye contact But this fish experience it's fellowship it's fellowship and boy, I wish I had more of that in in my life And you see an Edward 93 rallies with Donald Trump who found it and find and that's you add meaning that you go to this place and Donald Trump says you're You're a patriot also you can be an influencer all of these guys have side hustles of yeah Which just might mean 30 people now subscribe. Yeah, but 30 more than before They're part of the conversation and it's so important to them and yet they get caught up in this This perspective so they have to it's not only becomes their livelihood or it's at least their community And then it has to to be their belief base when I brought Edward to the Kamala rally again I really I love Edward. He's kind. He's thoughtful And he didn't change his perspective. Yeah, I need the big political issues But at the time he thought he believed the narrative of like there is nobody who could ever support Kamala Harris

31:11These are paid Paid actors who are at the events. There's there's no energy or what have you and And he showed up and it took him a while But the one concession he made he was like oh Well, there's people here. They're misguided. I disagree with them. Yeah, and they have the wrong info But oh, there's that there are 10,000 people there who are very excited. Yeah Dancing and we're happy and after after like an hour. He was like oh, they're not these are not actors pretending to be happy Yeah, these are people who want to be a part of a movement just like you are there and so So I'd like to think I approach them with grace understanding that and at the same time I'm very frustrated with like the misinformation that they pedal and are putting into and so a good thing in the pulse piece for me It's funny, but is as a moment of revelation where like they're in their bubbles And they're not having these conversations with their pals. They're not getting there. None of this is getting pushed on them They actually haven't thought through why they think this about trans athletes. Right. They haven't thought through this thing about Iran So I get to have the conversation with them the first time and and in that space

32:13You see them working through these holes the first time. Yeah, and so I love that So I walk away from that like oh, that's the gem. It's anthropological in nature. Yeah, and and The comedian me it doesn't make TV unless I have a joke on it Yeah, or I have a way in which to contextualize a pern audience so they see what I'm seeing So that's the work I have to be an improviser who creates space For for that person to reveal themselves and then I have to be a comedian at the end of it to create context for an audience to digest it Have you worried I think at the January 6th one you guys ended up leaving right we did because it was too we got too hot. Yeah, got too hot Thunder cannon tear gas. Let's not wait to find out was it hot at you was it hot in general was it hot at It was guy both we had We were there's the million maga march a month before yeah a couple weeks before I think Which was he wanted a million people there to protest the election results There's not a lot of people that yeah that the election happened he had lost right

33:15But they had to stop the steel campaign and they had a big thing on them while we went to that And the attitude had shifted the rallies from being were were the winners too. Holy shit. We lost they wouldn't say they lost but The temperament turned and And they were very much more like A disaster zone afterward right very much like FEMA like like the tornado came through here. What are we gonna do? Yeah, they were They were they were antsy. They were scared. They were angry and Trump throws that Trump There's no organization to Trump rallies and so when he invites people to the When he invites people to the DC to To have a trumps day of love When he has a day of love at DC He doesn't pay for enough speakers for people to hear it He doesn't pay for enough guards for people to keep them safe And so you what you end up having is a lot of people who don't get inside rallies who don't know how to get in there Like the the fascism is fascism is poorly organized and so on that event

34:16We got we got harassed out he cheaps out. Yeah, and that's what happened on his birthday The thing when people talk about I mean, I am afraid about what is happening here But when I went to his parade on his birthday that he had last year. Yeah All he wanted was a North Korea style picture of him with the tanks and everybody cheering He didn't get it. He had all those empty stands. Yeah, now There were not a million people in DC But there were 50,000 people in DC. Yeah, and I was talking to them and they couldn't find a fucking seat Because they blocked off all the roads Doge fired all the engineers who work and they couldn't figure out a plan to get the 50,000 people that he needed for his picture Yeah, they didn't know how to get there because DC was blocked down and people are coming through and now there's tanks here And so there was so many mad manga people during that who are running around like where do I go? Where do I go cell phones are working because that's all but there's no app that was there the people who are working there Don't know where to send you and everybody's furious and he doesn't get his picture So more often that that is the experience if you're getting it up close Yeah, it's Donald Trump if you're if you're just outside it is it's chaos Yeah, and when we were there that chaos turned on us and we had a flea and god's that feel like

35:21It's scary because it's the how do you what are the signals of attorney on you? We're very careful what we do our interviews So it doesn't become a mob situation meaning like on corners like you exit exit plan Yes, and that's what Janie were six like we Once people as people had nothing to do at that day And so they saw me getting tense with somebody and then people came over and started yelling at me And then like two people have become four become 15 become 30 what's tense with somebody look like Well, I think I can't remember what we were talking about sometimes it gets Paul religion. It's probably politics Oh religion like literally religion it might literally be religion and sometimes that stuff gets dark and doesn't make TV either because it goes to a hateful place. We don't want to put it there or it's not interesting But the person Didn't like my stick didn't like where I was going. I was probably being a little bit curt as well There's times in those interviews where I'm like I'm But you're not you're no angel. I'm no angel, you know So it got it got testy and it's somebody else sees it getting testy. Do you and does that look like

36:22Like physical or it just energetic that it's energetic and then people start coming over and they start yelling So then it becomes taunting and then it becomes guards. Give me a talk. I mean I get called I mean all of the homophobic slurs, right? Judy jute and anything in Jewish. No. Oh, okay. No. I'm not Jewish. I don't know I know but I'm not even they they think I don't think I don't think you have to be doing That's the feeling I'm like if you read my Wikipedia page, you know, maybe Dutch. Yeah, I don't know what it is something It's mostly just anger like it live they they they they love to live in like the live land fake news fake media All that kind of stuff like as soon as that is there it was again fake news good on you. You're right. God bless That's we are we are fictitious. Yes objective intentionally fake news. We are until that's what we do. Yes Google it right now. Yeah, this is fake news. I am making jokes. Yeah, is what I'm doing And then they get mad and then it becomes a bunch of people and guards are holding them back and at that time how many guards did you guys?

37:22I think we I think we had three and then for January 6 we brought four And then and then we we didn't do interviews where there were groups of people because of that Uh, we kind of had to be specific. So you get someone and go hey you want to come over? We mostly were like we would go through and we would film a little bit around Like the mall and you'd be like if we do an interview right here 20 people listen and it becomes mob and angry Yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna go 20 yards over here. Yeah, we're gonna grab people and talk with them there And also we knew that day they were gonna go to the capital So we were we were right at the front of the capital when it happened But always kind of 20 yards off We hung out by the um the African-American Museum where nobody was hanging out that day and so we did a bunch of interviews there That was a safe that was uh That's a safe spot you touch it you were good you got all good and then we guys I'm I'm invisible Yep It it it became then chaotic and our camera guy got uh like shoved and our

38:28Our guards were getting harassed and then like smoke bomb started going off and they were like we can't control the situation They're they're harmless one-on-one Well, yeah, they're they're keyboard warriors who at their best are earnest grandparents We're just so excited to be there and haven't thought things through But they back at mob mentality on chance sake it was wild to watch people Get up on get up on banisters and all fake like military bullshit. Yeah, like the move the like Look at my eyes this kind of stuff like you're seeing guys and stuff that they bought at the airport of the train station Yeah, ludicrous outfits pretending to be in some some war movie I was worried that we were in trouble But then I saw that we got the tyranny response team here and I feel a lot better and and feeling it Yeah, and a lot of people I could see like they were surprised and it got in this far But they were in it because this is how we're moving this how we're doing at the same time funny how quickly the human

39:28being like Because what are we doing? Oh, I know the language. Yeah, I know the vocabulary. I know the movements I know the and I can do like a decent and it's creepy It's really because you just go. Oh, okay. I I understand how most things have gone sideways and in world history They just say people would you want a bet? Yeah, wait a minute And when to far got too realistic somebody got There was one inciting act and then that was We started doing this with the railings and then like I guess we're all doing this. Yeah, you see that Yes, and I to be clear I saw plenty of the people who were there to start shit We saw the proud boys march and they were ready and then fatigue's right up front So you see like these people I think I have a plan as proud as they could be But I interviewed a guy it's an I interviewed a guy on a segway He's like going up on a segway and it's just

40:28Man, what are you thinking here or regular person on a segway like probably 65-year-old man on a segway Magga out Going up up the cap on the lawn up to the Capitol. I'm in I interview I'm slowly jogging alongside this guy as he's like bumping over this thinking he's going in there to overthrow America's democracy Yeah, and he Could have been further from the truth They were this close, but don't worry about that. It doesn't take much more than a segway is what we we quickly found out Yeah, but that day that what that day was that day was horrifying and so comically absurd all all in one basket They were peaceful people these were great people The crowd was unbelievable and I mentioned the word love the love The love in the air. I've never seen anything like it Yeah Yeah, all right, let's do some blocks. What are we doing? What are we doing here? Guys you want to know about my shaving routine I thought so about once a week

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46:39quadrants and grids and it's already it's already happening. Mm-hmm And if you now it's really helpful organizing editing timing Shit that is it's linear. Mm-hmm. What's the tell the people about the downside? Well like I was a I was like a nerd and a math kid and sort of the structures of Of comedy and even the places I took classes. What have you like that structure provided a safe place for me to To be creative. They call it a game in improv. Well, that's the structure improv. They they it's a formula It's a formula format structure. Whatever you want to call it. Yes, and so For me like I loved studying comedy growing up. I did literally my college like thesis on sketch comedy But what I always gravitated to is I think the control within that and what I was always jealous of is like the freedom in the looseness Yeah, and that's I feel that's a constant balance of like where do I go wild and brainstorm and be loose and yet

47:45How do I add restraint to it and the clarity and repetition and timing? My brain is is made for the timing in the math. Yeah, but But I keep having to challenge myself with the the risks of going weirder and stranger like python was a first Instance for me of like a type of comedy that was outside of what I could sort of conceive of like Circus like oh this I don't understand this but I like it my brain doesn't work like this. I want more Can you get into it meaning I'm not get into it non-linear Can become a structure. Yes I find I find myself most creative with a Deadline or a wall I'm up against I stumbled into it with improv and I was Chicago improv which is much looser But you're up against the wall of the audience and of time Yeah, like I would get out there and you can't go in it with any preconceived ideas You say a thing and you got to make that thing work

48:46That's supposed to figure out what the best thing is right the creative projects that I work on that are open Ended the writing projects and what have you that Work on this script what have you I get I get mired in in the perfectionism as opposed to the making the the half idea a great idea Like waiting for that great idea. Yeah is is a constant challenge and the more success you find in this space The more you hold on to the things that have worked and or like the logic that you know how to do Yep But I I'm fully aware of the need to break that open and to be Loose I look what I love about field pieces like especially like a And I do specials is that it's more documentary work and in that mindset to me is you go out and you you find and you create And then from that you piece it together in the editing bag like I often think of myself as like more of a sculptor than a painter And then like give me a thing. It's this make this better as opposed to here's a blank slate What do you want to do that always that that's that's hard for me?

49:46Yep, but I know also what is so limiting about that when you when you when you host a daily show It's a little bit of both worlds the first more the morning is throw stuff out Super great day. It's a great great. It's a great stress day. It's a I love it. Oh It's but it moves I think for me you have to make decisions throughout the day Yeah, and you have to be open to ideas because you got nothing So let's create a hundred things fast and then let's quickly make those hundred things 12 things And sharpen it and then just do it and then sell the fuck out of it Yeah, that to me really works well with my brain from a like a hosting standpoint and a creative standpoint Do judges obviously seem feels like you judge yourself for not being purely creative. Yeah, I think I yes, I wish I was More loose and free, right. I feel very comfortable in an improv stand setting but but I'll I also know the the cheats of that and I'm doing Like some stand up in a couple days. That's just like I got a lot of time

50:48And I'm gonna just throw some stuff at the wall and that's terrifying to me but I'm trying to get myself grace and space to not overthink it right now right because that's in that I'm like I need to overwrite overwrite overwrite overwrite and that that I get in my head. I'm I you need to put in more work to make this good which I think is partially true But I think at this point I need to put in more space to discover and give myself grace to do that But that's a hard conversation to have This fear comes in and also like I want to be I assume I assume I just assume failure. Yeah, meaning I assume failure. I do a new joke show every week Yeah, it's a lot of failure and and I just I don't I always say like I'm not a genius. I will The only way I can do it is out craft and out Work people but I'm not I'll have good ideas, but like I that's so yeah, so it's like literally like that's not enough. You have to have like I'm not like I can't write an hour a year

51:50I can't but Yeah, just give yourself like the exit except that you're Because It's the only thing you control is effort. Yes, so I That is that is a constant battle. Yeah, and I stand up to me is new and as a such a different structure than Then the improv world with the sketch world. Yeah, so that is something I haven't cracked Because I'm still new with some of these tools and figuring out how that is and want to bring some of the like looseness of improv to it But don't But in trying to figure out the right balance because the audience is such a different expectation too Like that was a quick thing I learned of a stand-up audience like this show that I'm doing is a new show And I think with that understanding up top I think there'll be more grace for where we go Because I I'm also trying to figure out format stuff my last show I did I didn't want to do stand-up. I wanted to do storytelling So I did a bunch of new material that was essentially comedic essays Which was a fun way to sort of explore like what is this format look like can you read essays on stage

52:56What does cinderus do like I want to tell I want to talk about January 6th. I'm like oh, I kind of do it on the show I don't want to just do a couple jokes about it I actually have some stories. I want to kind of write something about it And so I like I wrote stuff and then I perform it But then you perform a proven audience and you realize the rhythms are very different for that And so that was an exciting experience in that like I mean it starts to become a stand-up Well, it doesn't you can't really manipulate it you you don't get so much say in What they like I think that like in fact you get no say I will that's what it was they literally go I just I've literally said on I'll be like guys. I'm just gonna put the Food on the on the tray and if you want to eat it eat it But they're not going to eat it if they don't want to eat Nothing you can do you can't be like you know this is this is a Delicacy. Yeah, there you go. We don't like that. No wait. What not from you that yeah That's but that is the fun that seems like the fun space I like I wish I I keep challenging myself to have more balls to try in that space to see like where are you and you're not a neurotic guy though

54:03I'm not you're not are you are you what sort of a husband are you? Great question I think a good kind somewhat controlling go go I will say my the critique I received from my wife recently Is I think I'm a fairly well-balanced person I've heard you correctly riff on the Stoics Jerry Seinfeld reads marcus are really is just meditation And 50,000 jic head implants. That's true. It's true. It's true. Mark is really some of the early raises. You have to let it all go fear disbelief it means nothing yeah unless you actually apply it and aren't making videos about it, but I find like I read a decent amount of philosophy and I've approached certain things of like the things you can control control them things You can't let it go and get rid of that anxiety that way and The last thing your partner wants to hear more often than not is like check out this mark is really is I think that's gonna help you with the issues that you have right now. So I

55:06But but I think I am I am pretty good at like accepting this situation as shit or good and just making the good out of that That I think is a skill set. I have but as a partner my wife is like oh I'm the kind of guy who doesn't stress about the things until the last minute and then has sort of a panic attack When we haven't figured the thing out and she's the sort of person. What are you expecting? I heard it be thinking about she's been thinking about it for two and a half weeks right and then what do we tell my trip Everything a form a trip. How are we getting home? What we're gonna do with our our child about the school that's going on about like the thing that her father said that she needs to take care of because it's in health issue Like my mindset is like can you control it now you can't then put that away and focus on what this is and then she's sort of like I need to obsessively think about this until we get it fixed and then we hit that point right before it happens And I have a meltdown and she's like well, I've been having this meltdown and in some ways we're all having the same meltdown twice She loses twice she gets ignored and then freaked out she has a two-week meltdown I've never been on someone's side more in classes you would love her you guys would really

56:09I'm gonna steal her Take her let me tell you take her in the two weeks. She's freaking yeah, let me work out my 30 minutes beforehand Do you what's your are you a Yellor? No You're a breuder I'm I'm I'm I'm sarcasm and snippiness. I mean you see it if I fingers the pulse What's your flag say come and take it come and take it. Do you have a weapon? No, why not? Did they take it? Sorry, bro. I at my worst. I am like that well actually guy. Yeah, you can suss out hypocrisy or you said this thing when you said that But I but it all seems like you're fault. You're saying it's my fault. Well your wife is I'm agree. It's the scenario you've set up sounds like you've been negligent In that scenario I have been negligent. I think I would approach that scenario as There is anxiety in all experience. Let's limit the time with which we dwell in it

57:10And that leaves me at a fault in the moments where we needed a little bit of preparation so So do you I mean the truth is you can buy your way out of a lot of things Look we're living in a world where like there's a fee that you can there's a late fee. There's a there's just there's ways around it Do you mind? I mean my guess is your wife's like I it's not about the fee. It's about the fact that you ignored my Yes, well, and then this is the problem is she would use that argument. This is why you guys would get a log I'm then I'm very cheap. I'm I grew up so so when we reach that point where now there's a financial way in which to take care of this or We're taking the easy way because we're throwing a little bit of money on it Then I become snippy and bitchy and the worst version of myself because The you know middle class midwestern repops in my brain and you're suddenly like why why are we wasting this money or these resources here when we could have dealt with it in this way? Is it a thing you're working on

58:12Does she think you're working on? No, I'm not because what is the what's the what's the approach is like I need to get ahead of stuff I would say the question that I probably posed to myself within this and maybe it should be more a relationship based but Like the project of self. I think what a project what a project But I tried I mean, but it's mixed in I would say mixed in with what we were just talking about is Yeah, I'm seven and trying to like I honestly feel I feel pretty good dealing with the anxieties of life and what you can control My job. I love doing my job My job has been through so many iterations in the last 10 years that I've dealt with like the fear of it ending and the grace of it going that I'm I'm able to accept that So I feel good about that But I still balance like so what I have to be a good parent and a good spouse and I also want to be creative How do I do that? I do that through like I try to let my brain go to weird places. I read a ton I read about this stuff. I try to like indulgent arts that are surprising That like we'll expand where my mindset is

59:14That I find myself getting too in my head about like how to piece together a life that is a worthwhile life Which is part of the whatever midlife crisis and probably going in but I know it's not as I'm not necessarily going to be I would say I've been in midlife crisis for 27 years. How do you get out? Have you figured it out? No, you dig in You dig in and you just you just you love you again and then you look up and you've actually dug your own grave Okay It's credible. It's great. Yeah, uh-huh. Well, I'm right in the middle of it right me and your wife are standing up and we're getting right through the Dome just guys just relax we can get to this later. That's what it is. I just want to put it off my midlife crisis Till the late 70s. What is what do you think is a life well-lived? I mean, I think it's it's someone who who Is able to exist in the the most pure present And still acts morally and kind. I think having a kid Was Wonderful in all of the ways they tell you but was such a clean focal point I think I feel pretty well adjusted and don't I had a wonderful family growing up and what have you

1:00:17Um, and you can talk the talk of like a kind moral person lives in a space where they're caring about others But it's still it's still project numero uno with the way in which a guy who's taking improv classes and doing things I mean somebody in a marriage who has a career You're focusing on yourself all the time. You're living in your head And then you have this kid and it becomes very clear that person needs you to live put your energy in that Make your choices about that your financial choices are based on that your care And and even just walking down the street. You're you're helping mold who that human being is So be present with them be kind feed them food that is good for them like It was like a wake-up call of like oh you talk the talk you read the shit about how to live a good life Now you're giving a child that you have to give to you. You don't have to do it. Oh So I think that is that has been helpful to focus on like well do it. How do you find the nervous system Effect of a child on you meaning how it because it's It's a journey

1:01:19It's just a day is like what you experience more in a day with a kid than you do and like Six weeks as your own person. Oh, yeah, it's it's very New York. I think New York. Yeah, you know I think the New York experience is of the highs and lows of life. Yeah, I've seen the past as a homeless person as it yes Not as a person with a with an apartment. No prison apartment. Yes. Oh, yeah, you're great. I'm a kid is kid is your home But no way it rent like we're in you see like oh, I don't deal well with Seven minutes of crying. Yeah, it's straight like we said it is a it is a test The fun part is that it is a test where I'm like oh, I've been I've been bullshitting this I read pretentious books. I do therapy. Yeah, all these things to become better at Yeah, and then a kid screams for seven minutes on a street corner and you're like Now is the time. Yeah, what have you figured out? Yeah, it is right now. Yeah Who do you want to be? Oh, you listen to 12 hours of Alan Watts? Congratulation. Well, Alan wants has a great or it's

1:02:21Ramdas has a great quote about if you think that you're in light and go spend a week with your family Is that right? Yeah, which is like It's actually three days with your family, which is which is like the yeah, man. Yeah Hang out with a kid that wants french fries. Yes That's it's test time and you can't get them Because he said he was done with dinner you ate the french fries And yeah, and they're gone. This is this is your this is life. Yeah, so then to me I'm like oh the work of life is not trying to change the parameters so you're You're not searching for french fries for 12 minutes for standing on that street corner It's like how do you how do you subsist in those seven minutes of screaming Like present and kind have you learned about How to deal with people overall from that because that's funny like obviously my basic son was like crying about fries recently right and and

1:03:23And you and you go through like what your parents would have done What you'd like to do is like a petty person What you like just all of the stuff and you end up I don't know where are you end up. I mean you but it's almost like you go on your own journey And then they finally stop crying and you're like You traveled through time You you confront yourself in that yes, it is that's exactly what it is It's like oh my parents would have done this. Yeah book. I just read would do this Yeah, I will and you live all of those lives I have that moment where I am so petty and I I like slam my son like not physically, but I like I like I say that snippy thing. Yeah, like piss them off or like Oh, you think that the I did the My child gave me a little my child said they hated me Really knows like this where where where I hate space. We're like oh, I don't get that's why I hate you This is going on and was was being mean about something and and then gave me this little piece of paper that said

1:04:23Love on it, and I thought my child was pranking me and then went back to like yelling at me And I was like well, I'm gonna You can't keep doing that. I'm gonna take something away But here's the problem with this new parenting. There's nothing to take away You have to be like Montessori kind and so there's there's not there's not TV to take away. It's the worst And so they're like what what are you gonna take what what what what what is it and I get up I jump up like well well well, and I tear up the little piece of paper that was given to me He breaks into just tears Which was the right response to him and I'm like why did I have to why do I have to win this moment? Yeah, I don't have to win this moment like the better version of this is being kind and spacious and just fucking take it And my my parents were there and they were like no stick him in the room. It's time out time. Yeah I I in that moment I threw out time out for the first time and my child's like what's the time out? I'm like, I don't even know. I don't know how it works anymore. I thought you would know Like please I worked for me. I was so scared of timeouts. Yeah, but I'm gonna put you in your room I'm not gonna lock the door. You're gonna walk on out and then I'm I'm nowhere. Yeah, but that's that's the experience

1:05:30The funny thing is though. I still believe the time out Were I mean, it's funny time out was a response to hitting yes, right? And it was like there's a better way. Yeah, you just Now we're back. We're just like let them hit you Let let them to let them get it out tell them it's okay. Have the big feelings, but you can't yeah, you can't you can't hit But then that's I've had the conversation with prevent they're like well, you just tell them they can't hit you're like Yes, but then they hit again and again. Well, I think it's I don't want to indict myself, but I think it's I think it's There have to be guardrails. Yes, I was talking to my mom about it the other day of like Saying I hate you to your parents. It's like I ain't no one said we don't say that But it was I understood that we don't say that. Mm-hmm I I under I remember a buddy of mine saying it to his parents and then beating him up We said you know, I have also dealing with the reality I had a kid late in life

1:06:33And I've also lived through the last 15 years and I grew up a kid who was raised a pretty Normal Midwestern life who believed in authority who thought there's the police you respect the police Go to college. You're supposed to go to come firefighters. Thank you for your service the president way to go Yeah, I have a very different feelings complicated feelings about all of these institutions about what schooling does about what the government does about What like all of these institutions do it's complicated now? And so when you have a job asking you about these things, I'm unsure these guardrails about it It's like oh, I wish I could give you the clean guardrails. I know say yes to your elders if they say it do it Well, yeah, it's complicated. I don't feel that anymore. Yeah, and I want my child to have a more New but I think it's a bit like to have a church where it's like okay, take away homophobia and the molestation right It's not a bad what their espousing is not bad. Yeah. Yeah Well, I guess they can't women can't be priests. Why was you want it? Whatever?

1:07:37You're welcome, but It's not but it's we got it's like shame. We can't kink shame. I don't know Part it like all these things of like no, we don't Ah Maybe maybe there's some value to it. Obviously, there's collateral damage to anything pretty much, but I've got all the way around and it'll be in an atheist as well like To be in so anti-institution to like we need elements of these institutions to create a road map But it's a balance again. I think I met people need really people need guardrails Unfortunately and religion is a pretty good one if yes If you take away the crusade you take away like everybody did there like the crazy elements of it If it's just like I a personal discipline. Mm-hmm. It's pretty valuable Very much so as long as you retain your own Your own agency and perspective like there is One of the philosophy, but I'm reading a camo the myth of sephus right now

1:08:40And if there's a quote of talking about institutions critical of institutions says like it relieves you of the weight of being human Which many times feels like a necessity? But when I go to Trump rallies and I interact with people they've given over Empathy or the way in which they act towards their neighbors towards this institutional knowledge this party Right some have done towards Christianity, you know, but they have given it over because being a human is so hard right now And we sometimes we search into our phones to kind of get away from our own mindset or sometimes we turn to to Maga or that religion And I get that, but we are we're we're Succeeding our ability to engage with who we are in a way that is I think could be so detrimental now It's hard to you that into a kid. I Like I think you get I think you give them guardrails that you can then I think you give them dart guardrails and you give them training wheels and you go Take them off When they become stupid, but if you have to build if you build the training wheels, right?

1:09:42What is the shape of the training wheels that you build? Sorry, sorry, I don't even want to do that Next question. Okay, they're wheels. Okay, but the metaphorically. Yeah, do you do you lean on like Christianity? Do you find a religion to I personally wouldn't lean on Chris? I would lean on Elements of it. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Like decent basic decency basic respect. It's like respect elders up to the point of molestation Didn't I mean like literally I had that thought in my head the other day of like young and you got to respect all but then there's also like Molestation was the collateral damage of respecting elders. It's like for instance like Corruption it's just like there need to be guardrails and But you put they didn't really tell us Don't get molested You don't remain like they didn't they it was just kind of like There was not Me got popped he got popped

1:10:44Like so I think if you give people guardrails give children guardrails give people I did a Daily showpiece that didn't you're not gonna leave it didn't do it well We're like Republicans need Jesus. Yeah Republicans y'all need Jesus People need something to They need a system literally they need Institutions they need marriage they need like literally without like a career track of Relationship track people need tracks people are hose and they need to get on the whole track and you get on the whole track I agree with you two a point I think the idealized version of a human being doesn't need those tracks right there. They're eight. They're eight. Yes Right, but you're reading fucking Camus so get there. Get there. You're right, but but again The Camus an ideology. It's it's the Stoics are just a different ideology. They are they're a different track

1:11:46Yes, but the people have laying the major tracks in this country are the manipulating where these tracks go Right, so I think like you can't use maga as a as a track to like teach a kid anything Right now without it going off the rails Religion was built in a night well Complicated, but there's elements of a religious track that that can give good guard rails Mm-hmm, but the deeper you go into that I think the more you the more you give away your own agency towards who you are an identity. There's elements like I've looked at Quakerism. I've looked at like We all will we all will we all would go meeting. I mean It's a Scientology the 1800 But there's there's you I wish there was stuff like that 1700 so that I mean I think actually I think George Fox is the 1500 Let's we're gonna go if we're gonna if you want to do it But there's I what is the what is the level of guard rail? I guess is the argument we're and I also it's the same way like Republicans need Jesus Republicans, you only Jesus

1:12:47You know liberalism atheism is I've said a million times Martin Luther King worked because he offered people he offered white people salvation Like I'm a minister. I'm a reverend Just say yeah the guy thing Right, yeah, oh, yeah, that's way more effective and appealing than the you want to be on the right side of history Which is what liberals are it's it's Kurt Madskar has a great line, which is the right side history is Is white liberal heaven? Yeah, and it's like it's fucking useless. You don't you get nothing. Yeah, you get you get smugs satisfaction Which is as that's real white liberal? Spugs satisfaction. Oh, you can live off good look at us if we're not who is I've gone empathetic towards the artists who have found God. I like I'm a big Bob Dylan fan Uh-huh, and I think in wrestling with this question of like trying to live a

1:13:49A life without guard rails in what have you I see like Bob Dylan's God years are the worst years For a songwriter as a songwriter Yeah, like the deeper you get into you like oh of course like once you once you explore all of these things Yeah, like that is such a compelling place For both relief but also like an elevation of some of the things that are outside of who you are So I'll probably do that. I probably in my fifties. I think I will find folk singing God and then one of the ladies We hope we hope right? It's what the people um you want to talk about an audience that has no standards Um, you can get in there. I mean you can literally say they this is a folk song like where do we sign up? Can we wait? It's about no it's about this land. It's about land Oh, I thought about there was a hot second was like there's got to be a hip hop DC talk. Do you remember DC talk? They were a go-go band, right? I think it the DC talk. I remember was no, they were Christian. There was a Yeah, they were like fushnik it. They were like yeah late 80s early 90s. Yeah Um, we I was gonna do is we might still do the segment where Jordan knows a lot about 90s R&D

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1:17:58NEAL check out just head to bbs naturals Dotcom and use code NEAL and you're all set after you purchase They will ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them our show session Well, okay, well, yeah, I mean I'm I was an atheist and now I believe in something from doing drugs Yeah, I lost getting all that stuff so like what has that Something do you define it as something? Oh central I call it central creation force that and the animator Okay, the thing that and the thing that gives everything Motion you do you think that's an actual force? You think that's sort of like just in an idea? On these drugstates I have experienced it and it's still When I leave the drug state it's still in me Still on me in me Inside whatever you want it, but you you project that on something outside of like an experience you're having within your brain That's something that is happening in a universe. Yeah, but I'm not gonna hold anyone to it

1:19:01I don't it's not I don't it's a it's that there's not a list of rules like yes and therefore Because I because the my defense though it's not even it's one of the defenses of it is like so The dome on the rock and the the wailing wall the the Muslim holy site the third most famous Muslim holy site and the most famous Jewish holy site same address It's like ah so The joke of the joke didn't work is like it's a romantic comedy where it's like you're fucking the same girl Yeah, this is the same like every so everyone's again, that's a that's like one example I just think it's everyone's all saying the same thing. It's just different It's the narcissism of small differences like don't eat fish. No don't eat pork You're way off It's all these things that are all everyone came to the same. It's like it's like hyroglyphs on one cave and then on another cave

1:20:07The guys fouries are all the seven thousand. Yeah, seven thousand miles away It's like I this seems like everyone's saying the same thing and came to the same conclusion independently So that's the that would be like my anthropological defense of it and I went from like no to like oh Okay, all right. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna There's no point in questioning this and I can't say like I'm evangelical or like I don't need you to believe in it or whatever But I that's what I think I don't and and But it doesn't but I think all my ethics are crack a Catholic school. Yeah, all of my like You know Beliefs in terms of behavior, but I don't think anyone are bad. Are you are you going to heaven? Do you believe in that? No, I don't think I'm going to heaven any more than anybody else. Yeah, I don't think I think when you and I die The same thing is gonna happen

1:21:08Do you think that it stays firewood some But let me tell you fireworks parents and just people people people riding I It's just that's just what I think yeah like it would I it's I it's a thing that I experienced that I think I will re-experience in some Written large way yeah, yeah, yeah, which again I'm not it's not it's I can't convince anyone I can't convince nor do I think it nor do I think it matters I think it's big I think it's purely insecurity that like I need you to think That the patriots are the best football team in the fucking league And you're like no, it's the Raiders. I don't care I who gives a shit who gives a shit like why I need you I don't think it's gonna make a difference. Yeah Yeah, I just don't think it's gonna make a difference in like yeah, just it's all

1:22:12It's very small in human. Yeah, but with the like what people have tried to do is so like what Even yeah, so But I don't expect you to believe it and I'll expect I'm not even gonna say it's easier for to explain them. I think kids. I think there's a moral I think we have an inherent moral framework. Yeah, you ever heard you hear about that study where kids like pre-verbal kid like three months old have They they like There's I I'll get the experiment wrong, but like they don't there's blobs And one blob stops another blob from going and the kids don't like the blob that stops the other like this inherent fairness Mm-hmm that I think like the human being has Yeah, I buy that And I don't think it's it's probably evolutionary Yeah, I mean I would I would assume in some ways that yeah our bodies have built up in a way where we we go farther together than

1:23:14Yeah, yeah, I I relate to a lot of that the deeper I get into it. I I think we all start to agree on a similar narrative I think yeah the power we give to that is sort of our own and what we do with it I would say I'm like roblo with the NFL hat I just believe in the NFL I think I love it. It's like I do their kids that fun. I just I'm here for the I'm here. I like the guy I don't I don't care about I'm literally like yeah, I don't I don't june Muslims career I just don't know it's all saying the same thing yes, and you can see the human part Which is like would you can he fish can he meet no gaze and we got to kill Some of the other groups That doesn't seem like that's second it's the second part It's that let's all get together and figure out how to tell somebody else what to do with it. Yeah, it was very problematic And what I why do I care yeah if you what you also people don't even believe it anyway. No They memorize it. They know what they have to say

1:24:17But they don't actually it's a bit like the Constitution where it's like people don't even know I mean Christopher Hitch you say all the time Did you I'm sure you read God is not great. Yeah, that was a Start you know that I I cringe a little bit. Well damn hair-ish. Yeah, the David Dennis What was the four horsemen of yeah being an asshole your friends for the next seven years the four horsemen have smugged Not Sam sent look Sam's a Sam's a buddy and he's done the pot. I I love it. It but yes, that was those were very important. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah, but We'd listen to the I remember when I drove to LA. I'd listen to God. It's not great and the pickup artists book really Yeah, and it would it defined the next 10 years in a lot But but but the the I would Hitchens would always say like people don't even know what's in the Bible. Yeah, and I I It's a bit like people don't know what's in the Constitution. Oh 100 present. I talked to somebody

1:25:20I think it was a might've been January 6th about the Constitution Yeah, and he was quoting stuff. I was like, would you read the Constitution? He's like nobody's read the Constitution How could you you can't get it Thoughts will divide yeah, yeah, I got part of it tattooed. I'm yeah, I like who cares who is time to make it to the L But so so no, I'm not but I'm not worried about you being in here I'm probably I probably I shifted to atheists in the the Hitchens era and I probably shifted back to the Agnostic era where I think like yeah, it's a yeah, I'm I am open to it hopeful hopeful for something more and Have lived in things you think you understand Yes, and then think about how little you understand that the evolution for me for lack of a better term in that has been in my Certainty where I do think that is something like That that Hitchens part of my life that smug period was like a certainty of like oh, well, we've disproven this there So it's not an atheism in and of itself is it also a certainty of there is no God where then you see like oh, no

1:26:24I think they then becoming aware of like the things you don't know and open for surprise becomes what is most compelling in this phase of prop I believe they call they do call it a prop. How long do you say if I have any more blocks for you? Certainty certainty. I was giving it to you once and and being open and comfortable to uncertainty doubled up Uh, this is one that we talk about a lot, but information overload. Are you what did you go on a print? Well, how you reading chemo you reading hard paperback when you read I got a paperback for that great I see what became fun about that was going to pop in Like coffee shops and reading it exactly in front window Just wait just to hold it up high hold it up real high. Oh, you're talking about them at the surface Yeah, and you would hold up your daily show Mike. So people knew it was here. Oh, yeah, it's me from the day If you want to post this, that's fine. I'm just studying them thinking about Life and French existentialism actually absurdism if we're being technical. Yes. I have a family. Don't worry about it I'm not stressed about it. My wife is you get two weeks to be stressed about it, but I'm fine. I'm living my best life

1:27:25You know I started to do is I picked up that book that that has a funny premise to it Well, it's essentially the only philosophical question is whether or not you should kill yourself It's called that book kicks it off I think it's kind of hilarious and kind of spot on and so I've been carrying that around and writing all my jokes in that book That whether you should kill yourself or not kind of I was like this sort of funny and also like let me actually just Just read it and if I have a joke about what I'm reading or just about my brain going elsewhere and use that as a no pet So that's my new thing of like how do I use this as how do I use books as no pets? What is keeping them on me like in the terms of the information? I'm like I'm trying not to Stay away from my phone. So keep like these little tiny books. Yes, like go out. I do that Read something write something and don't get on the fucking internet. Why yeah Um, and has it made a difference a little bit. I like I know what I need to do to be a better person as far as information goes and I'm battling it every day Like when I did the

1:28:25I hosted a show I left the daily show got to host my own late-night show It was a blast but it drove me crazy just with anxiety. Oh, well, it was not fun It was not first person enjoyable on your nervous system exactly Yes, in fact, I think some of this very very rarely are that's what I always ask you when they have a show I was go do you like having a show? I Loved it But I mean my wife was the person say like you were you were terrible health I would I just wake up at that wake up at 4 a.m Super stressed out and in my mind it was like you need to read all of the news before you get to work And so that was like I thought information would be the answer to being smart and funny and aware Also, you know hosting a show and epine a show you're like I kind of have to have an awareness of what this whole thing is And that that wore me thin and exhaustion and so when I came back to the daily show I was sort of like one. I was like just be grateful because the one thing I felt regret about was that show ended and You and you are really rude to people. I hate it. I was so mean. I just like fuck you

1:29:28You were fucking it was you know, it was wild burn it down. I wanted people to write about it I kind of wanted a I wanted a reputation. I didn't fully get it But you were taking writers you went around the writers room and you were like no Come with me. Oh You got to do it. I mean you have to send a message. Yeah, and you kept saying I'm never coming back here done I'll just show you this is on Jordan Klepper does not fail was well. I think was their working title that was It's only was 100% was And so you realize Well, okay, while we're here. I want to talk about how good Trevor and Johan are yeah meaning You do it you have a show and then you See what your happen to your nervous system and your performance ability Your your synthesizing this episode and you go fuck

1:30:28Cool, so what do you talk about john and talk about Trevor and not in a It's you know what I mean yes I mean getting to sit behind the desk doing my own show and get into the daily show you see what You get to see how hard that job is yeah, I already had nothing but respect for both those guys doing it you know Coming in working with john, you know, I looked up to john I was a fan of the daily show for decades before getting to be on the daily show and One of the things I was so impressed by was his decisiveness like that day Two Johns credit and also setting a giant burden for Trevor like John sort of revamped how a lot of late night rooms worked I think in some old school late night shows The host could come in midday and yes or no some jokes Yeah, I remember Dennis I remember hearing Dennis Miller would get in like he'd come in on Thursday Yeah, like for the first time maybe fry like everything else they would send they would fax to him

1:31:30Yeah, I think john sort of I don't know if that's true, but that's what I mean I think I think a lot of the late night you were a host You know and some and some hosts were more hands on than others You know As by the time I got to the daily show with john like the show ran through john his name is on the building And so he is picking the stories in the morning. He is Working with the writers on the jokes. He is the most vocal person in all of rewrite the field pieces that we would do John would approve every single one of them before we went out I would go in and have a meeting with john about the things that we need to get with the field pieces And so like the show all ran through and he knew what and he would I've heard stories of him like reworking pieces and And yet from a field what was interesting about the field shit you'd go wow There's it's like rock Chris rock told me one time No one got more jokes in other people's sketches Then Adam Sandler And so like Sandler would just walk down the And go hey you might want to

1:32:31Like sketches that you'd go Adam said I'll tell you who had nothing to do with that sketch Adam Sandler and he would always have it's like a very good joke in them But similarly john john got to the point where it is his show. He knows what he wants to say He has he's he's so thoughtful on the news He has the best batting average in the building. Yeah far. And by the way, he's got the most reps. He's got He's literally done. Yeah, every he's done field pieces Which is sort of if you Not to get in the nerdy-ness of like a late-night room But it's sort of wild to to do a field piece where you're filming something in Wisconsin Yeah about some other thing and John Stewart's writing a show that he's putting on In an hour and a half and doing these other 10 things. And then he's hopping in an edit. Yeah And on his way to the rewrite is like all right You have and I remember that it was like he's walking through we have five minutes Yeah, like so he would watch the piece and you'd sit next to him nervous Yeah, and John would look at it digest it and then Give you all the notes and you made those things happen Like Trevor walks into that and what not only is that a hard job to walk into be the host of the daily show

1:33:36But the show was suddenly built like you have to be the expert on field pieces. Well, yeah, it's like uh newspaper editor. Yes, and and and Trevor's uh Morrican to a really good musician who's Who's figured out his sound and and but also like Trevor's like sharp as fuck so like yeah, so like he could he could do that He like he grew into more of the editorial thing, but you're absolutely right there. It was a little like It's the expectations are like it's more like producer expectations than like host expectation Yes, well, what was so fascinating when he first came because I remember the first time I met Trevor He he did a few like correspondents and hits on the show And I just I'd I was like the new guy in I think at that time until like I'd just been through like what it's like to be on the

1:34:37Daily show for the first few times and I remember sitting in a rewrite with him and the writer Joe Miller on something Just like this guy has like ice in his veins. I was like this this shop is hard You just came in you're here and you are just cool as a cucumber Like there's just like an ease to him that was remarkable in me as something was like wow. I just had to do this A version of this almost said it's almost like he grew up in a part time That's I mean that it really became the thing where I was like, you know what? This isn't gonna be my stress but when he came into like Those writers rooms. I just I have so much respect for For both of those men that they are they are heroes of mine But I remember like what was fun with Trevor's I got to sort of collaborate with him in a new relationship And watching him like come into a writers room like that writers room had been conditioned To like wait for the host to sit right there and then to sit and then just look and be like well What do you think about the world and how do we put this in action and look Trevor walks in and it's like okay? Well, I'm learning about the world I'm super smart. I have great takes at all these things But I don't know all of the players and yeah, and the person I'm sitting next to has like a

1:35:40Photographic memory of everything Mitch McConnell is done yeah last 12 years Yeah, and like and everybody is I just found out who Mitch McConnell is two weeks Exactly, yeah, and I am and a provided like fun fresh takes on stuff I remember he saw Trump clear than so many other people who just like we've been in this for a lot This isn't what you're gonna have and Trevor's like I think this might happen This guy's actually really compelling in this way that the room was like what is this guy talking about yeah, and And he was able to it wasn't until like I got my own show Trevor was instrumental when I I left and got to do the show after the daily show like that was Trevor Epidet and was one of the reasons like vouch for me in there and I remember after having Started to do this show and also I built my show on the way in which the daily show was set up Which was set up to run through one person like John like the shows Now evolved in a way that takes some of the weight off all of it It's still very much host specific and John is all over the show and went on his days But like it takes it uses people better and people have gotten More confident in themselves in that space. So it's not just what is the one person say?

1:36:40It's like well, how do we all make this work in a way that is is much better for all of us But I remember like coming back to Trevor being like I don't know how you do this man. This is it's like impossible He was like oh, I was I was terrified this whole first year. I was I was like really because you were So-called yeah, you let everything roll off your back. You were cool in the rooms But you were constantly being asked to do everything and I think that's what was to his credit He is exactly that he is he knows who he is. He's so confident in that He's a history that has allowed him to not let that one thing stress him out when I had to do it I let that one thing stress me out that one little thing that I don't know enough about maybe he's not really an obsessor No, he's just more like oh, why is this let me do this and so It's remarkable what he was able to do and make that his own and he was really gracious with me We hit it off right away because I think he walked into a situation that felt almost nearly impossible And we did these Promos before the show started and like the the weird month interim and

1:37:44It's actually the same thing the same thing that I think maybe even endeared me to to John Stewart I by a dishevered John Stewart. I think went well partially because I could improvise with him as a comedian off script And I didn't treat him as the malrush more John's right. I treat him as a comedian Yeah, and I think in a day-to-day job like that like we're here to do work. Yeah, can you handle it? Do I not have to worry about you? Yeah, great It On set with Trevor like we fucked around we improvised we played we did status games comedy status games where I go high status He goes low status is a really fun play for Trevor. He loved that. Yeah I wasn't afraid of him or sacra saying to around it He wasn't he wasn't inviting that but I think the situation was in a way that is so alien for anybody coming in And so what was really fun was Trevor liked the spark of that he'd like being a comedian in the room there and was really open with everybody else as well Because he brought in Roy and Ronnie and Desi and sort of at the time was like I want comedians around me to play And also this is wild. I'm sort of on this pedestal in this building that has crafted everything to go through me

1:38:44But also, how do we play with this? So we tried improv stuff on the show or in rehearsals or he gave more freedom on field pieces because He I think rightfully so wanted us Wanted a perspective on stuff, but at some point he was like well you guys know what you're doing go I also kept yelling at him that the field pieces as they existed were so fucking boring So just let them fucking go dude Just let them do a man of literally just like I showed him Chris rocks Field pieces it was just like Chris in Harlem everyone's crazy Well, I wonder I mean that's where feel like fingers the pulse it might have been around that time What when were you in you were I mean you were in 26 I think 16 yeah 16 17 a little bit. Yeah Not again, I take no credit like it's because of me, but it was like well, but he needed You know better than I do there, but I think you needed Allies in the comedy world to to help him trust what not that he didn't need that again part of his superpowers that he

1:39:48He was confident up to execute it all the time But you could see where like ally ship with doing bits with Roy here. Yeah, or where we could riff on this yeah Like the one thing I wanted when I was host I realized when I had to hire a hundred people to work for me what became Superclarer. It's like I'm hiring you if you can take one thing off my Can you fucking help me? That's the only question help me it's like yeah, it's like you have that. Do I okay? I don't have to see you in two weeks Just take care of the thank you. Yeah, you find 90 other people who take something off now like That but that was it you're like oh all right. That's what this is you don't need a buddy You know you don't need somebody to kiss your ass You don't need somebody who wants to has a million questions because they're being deferential you need somebody who can get shit done Literally do I can I have a conversation with you and the next time we talk you you handled it you did it like a hitman Guys um You just got fingered oh see it. Do you like it? I love it. You love it. I think that's how I'm gonna end my show um

1:40:50That was Jordan Klepper And uh, I think we I think I think it was a good representation of who you are you think so yeah Let's do a post-mortem real quick. Yeah, what do you think what what could I have? I felt you know Refreshing Camu feels like it's very pretentious, but maybe I don't but it's maybe it's No, no, I like I'd rather reference Camu than Carlin, I mean you know, I mean like I find I'd find there's so much comedy Talk shop talk that I'd rather talk about like Philosophy or and not get into it again, but I would I would argue I always it's just easier. It's more fun to Figure out artists who don't do comedy I get so much more out of that. Give me a writer It does weird stuff and study that as opposed to a comedian who does it yeah to me is more liberating and fun Yeah, I remember somebody going why don't you date a comedian And me going like being like what I got that I'm good Being like why don't you date a free slam poet, but for what that's not a thing. I need

1:41:55I don't need that Jordan Klepper ladies gentlemen the clip The clip they call him the clip they do they they've just started they and they're just never gonna stop um Go to his website. He's go to his website Jordan Klepper should I should have said it earlier they probably already want Find out my audience in the show notes. They're in they are in they love to show notes Pagan show notes I don't know how to end this You got figured. Thank you. Yeah Yeah, we got fingers free spray Everybody who goes to heaven goes to heaven Hey Oh man Oh you have to do something open up your head My man