Joseph and Kendra Duggar: Charges in Two States Examined

This is Hidden Tillers Live with Tony Bruski and Robin Dree.

Hey, here's another fun topic.

I say it facetiously.

Coming home to the doggers.

No, my God.

The things nightmares are made out of the doggers.

A child allegedly hurt by someone who was supposed to be safe.

It's carried it for years before she told anyone.

And now we're talking here weeks after the arrest, the man who allegedly did this

is back home out on bond, living under restrictions.

He can't possibly follow without someone watching and nobody watching.

The family is fractured.

Some are calling it evil.

Some are calling it persecution and the people closest to the victim are reportedly

starting over with nothing.

The legal system hasn't even gotten started yet.

But the choices people are making right now, who they're standing with.

What they're saying and what they're not are already telling us everything.

You guys have had a lot of opinions about this and there's a lot of very interesting

reporting going on out there.

This is like the soap opera from hell.

And I try, I mean, there's the news element of it and then it gets into soap opera material

literally.

And it's like, I see a lot of it.

This is going on around close to my ecosystem.

So it's I'm trying to like not dive too deep into the soap opera,

but it's hard not to sometimes, and I know you guys are having a lot of questions too.

Joseph is home right now.

He's a bonded out bond condition saying no unsupervised contact with minors.

He has four kids under eight.

How does that work?

Karen via Facebook.

Well, he's not with their kids right now.

The kids and they're not with mom either.

The kids are in protective custody and the protective custody ain't family either.

Which I think to me, that says a lot.

A lot of times when the kids going to protective custody, they're going to look for family members.

They're going to look for, oh, this be a good safe place to put them.

That's not where they went.

That's not where they went.

And if my math is correct, there's there's 19 options as to where the or more

as to where those kids could have went, but they went to somewhere else, somewhere within the system.

What does that say to you about what's going on here with this case?

I think there's a lot of leakage where long forces is taking a close look at everything going on here.

And so in child protective services is obviously seen it as well.

So for some reason that they're seeing, they don't trust anyone in that family to have these kids.

So that's a good sign for maybe their inch in their way towards justice.

Maybe we'll see.

And you know what's really shame is that we know that there are a few that escape that seem to us,

especially since we interviewed Amy and we read Jill's book and Amy's close to Jill too,

that I don't like children in the system just because you haven't seen good cases there either.

So you really wish and you know, and Amy said on our show that she would be more than happy

to pitch in. She's offered as well. So I'm getting there's a lot of drama. There's a lot of,

like you said, soap opera stuff going on. I like that that they're not still in the toxic system,

but at the same time though, they can't be feeling too good. Those are four little babies that

just are really hugely confused right now and probably scared too because they've been,

they've been, they've been thrown into thinking one thing about the system they live in.

And now because we saw this in all the specials we watched, whether it's FLDS or IBLP,

that they are so indoctrinated that anything outside of that system that doesn't exactly operate

the way, you know, grandpa Jim Bob told them it's evil. It's horrible. I'm falling outside the

umbrella. So there's got to be a lot of fear in their hearts as well. Yeah. I mean, I'm not pro.

Let's throw them to the system either. If there's a good family member that can take care,

that's usually your best option. But I think it's interesting if this is in fact how it's all

playing out. Again, conjecture, our opinion, in my opinion, allegedly to everything we're talking

about. But it's very interesting that that seems to be the dynamic. Again, if that's accurate as

to where it's all playing out right now. I mean, it seems to say quite a bit. Here's another one.

It says he allegedly confessed on a call. Apparently he had no idea he was being recorded

the twice, basically. And then his lawyer turns around and they plead not guilty. Does that not

guilty plea have any real shot or is it just about buying time? Good question for Bob.

I don't know where it leads. I mean, everybody, it seems most people do plead not guilty initially.

And it usually ends up going to some sort of a plea deal of some sort rather than just straight

to guilty. It's another, you know, it's a situation where words don't mean what they mean in

some cases, especially in the legal system. Or it's just utterly delusional. And he believes

under his way of thinking and reasoning in his mind that he's not guilty of these crimes for

whatever reason. He's been absolved of them by God or I don't know. I don't know what the hell

was going on up there to say not guilty when you've allegedly already admitted to this other than

this is just to run the clock down a bit while we work on the deal over here on the side.

It's really interesting. What popped in my mind as we started talking about this just now, Tony

is Jim Bob's letter to Joe behind bars. And it was very, very pragmatic and very law-like.

Like he was very saying, hey, bad things are happening. Again, he was diminishing the words and

of the accusation and everything. But it's very much, hey, here's a law. You're going to be going

away from a long time most likely. So you can see that they're accepting of what the fate will

be legally. But from everything we've seen, studied and watched for this family for so long now,

that doesn't seem to matter nearly as much them as their faith and their IBLP methodology with,

hey, we're all going to do bad things. We're not going to stir up the brethren. All you have to do

to be redeemed is to admit your sin. You'll be redeemed because that's the most important thing.

And now you can have a ministry. And you know what? Ministries more important because that's the way

you get into heaven. The only way you get into heaven is to be redeemed, have a ministry,

and have lots of kids. This legal stuff doesn't mean anything because you can do in their mindset from

what we understand from studying IBLP, you can literally do anything. If you seek forgiveness,

it has to be given. If you're seeking forgiveness and you have to be redeemed and that's all you

got to do and have kids and you're going to heaven, which they think is all more important than going

to jail. And I think the important interesting distinction there too is in the forgiveness,

it doesn't have to come from your victims. It says to come from them. No, no, no, no, no. No,

the victims mean nothing. Nothing. They're not even the damn equation. It's like,

quivers. As long as you go and speak to SkyDaddy, and SkyDaddy tells you specifically,

you're forgiven, or you just, this is what the forum says. It says, I mean, if you ask for

forgiveness, you will be forgiven if you believe. And besides, yeah. And besides the

forgiven by the victims, well, the victims are shamed into forgiving them because in order to

keep under the umbrella, you have to show forgiveness. Then they're, yeah, then they're in the wrong

under the, you see how stupidly cyclical goal is, is you have to forgive heinous acts by anyone,

or you're going to fall inside the umbrella and not go to heaven and burn in hell. That's a belief

system. That believes as self-fulfilling prophecy of creating narcissistic S freaks towards children.

Exactly. One thousand percent there. And there's, I just did a piece this morning,

and I was addressing Joseph directly in it because he, some of those jail phone calls, which are

horrific to listen to. They're just so delusional in their nature of,

I mean, all you do is listen to that poor girl, being basically tortured, and she has no idea

she's being tortured. No. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, yeah. I mean, it's painful. She's like, I'm

getting an IV. I can, I'm not eating. I'm can barely walk. And like, I'm reading Ruth about how

I'm redeemed is basically, yeah, read some songs. Do you know the transfusion of day? Yeah,

who cares? Stop it up. Read more songs. You'll feel better. It's like, it's, it's, it's,

it's spousal abuse in my opinion, just on like, as blatant as you can get. Actually,

when I watch trauma bonding life, listen to it. She, she, she's getting, she's talking, it is,

because she's talking about horrendous. She is, and at the very end, she is, do you love me?

Well, yes, I do. Oh, thank you for loving me. There is, there's the one bomb, and trauma,

trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, little bomb. Yeah, because that, there, that was a big tell on

that. We're at the end. She's like, do you, she's asking if he loves her. He abused

children, and she's asking if he loves her. You know, and this, this is why, you know, I said on

the piece this morning that I'll be dropping here tomorrow. Sometimes you get a fight fire with

fire. And since he's speaking all biblically, I spoke all biblically right back in him. And I'm

going with the Matthew chapter about putting the millstone around the child that predator's neck

and dropping him in the sea. He'd skip that part. He went right to Ruth and went right to their

redemption. Not the part of Jesus talking about, let's put the millstone and kick you off the boat.

I like that one better. I think it's more applicable. It's actionable. It seems like it could be

effective. It would solve a lot of problems. I say, let's go get a boat this weekend. Everybody

can go out on it. You know, have a couple beverages and there you go. Millstone. See you later, Joe.

You know, I'm, I'm giving a lot of credit to Amy Dugger King on her book, Holy Disruptor,

and this one. She starts out the entire book on the first chapter, countering all of Jim Bob's

and IBLP's doctrine with other, other citations from the Bible that totally debunk everything

that he stands for. So she did a great job at that. Yeah. She really did. Yeah. Highly recommend.

And if you've not seen our interview with the Amy, the conversation, it is up here on our channels.

Go and check it out. Just more to come very likely by the way, too. Great. So it should be,

yeah, my God. All right. Your thoughts in the comments section on Substack and YouTube.

We'd love to hear them. We'll try and get to them. I'll try and answer them online or in a future

episode of the program here. I'd love for you guys to weigh in. Press subscribe wherever you're

getting podcasts. So you don't miss any episodes. Robin's latest book. It's not all about me.

There you go. It's worth reading. Joseph, this would be a good one for you while you're on house

arrest, you know, while you're sitting there and looking for something to do. All right,

until next time for Todd for Robin. I'm Tony Bruceke. We'll talk again real soon.

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