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This is Hidden Tillers Live with Tony Bruski and Robin Dree.
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Hey, here's another fun topic.
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I say it facetiously.
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Coming home to the doggers.
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The things nightmares are made out of the doggers.
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A child allegedly hurt by someone who was supposed to be safe.
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It's carried it for years before she told anyone.
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And now we're talking here weeks after the arrest, the man who allegedly did this
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is back home out on bond, living under restrictions.
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He can't possibly follow without someone watching and nobody watching.
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The family is fractured.
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Some are calling it evil.
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Some are calling it persecution and the people closest to the victim are reportedly
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starting over with nothing.
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The legal system hasn't even gotten started yet.
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But the choices people are making right now, who they're standing with.
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What they're saying and what they're not are already telling us everything.
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You guys have had a lot of opinions about this and there's a lot of very interesting
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reporting going on out there.
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This is like the soap opera from hell.
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And I try, I mean, there's the news element of it and then it gets into soap opera material
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And it's like, I see a lot of it.
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This is going on around close to my ecosystem.
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So it's I'm trying to like not dive too deep into the soap opera,
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but it's hard not to sometimes, and I know you guys are having a lot of questions too.
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Joseph is home right now.
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He's a bonded out bond condition saying no unsupervised contact with minors.
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He has four kids under eight.
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Well, he's not with their kids right now.
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The kids and they're not with mom either.
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The kids are in protective custody and the protective custody ain't family either.
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Which I think to me, that says a lot.
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A lot of times when the kids going to protective custody, they're going to look for family members.
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They're going to look for, oh, this be a good safe place to put them.
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That's not where they went.
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That's not where they went.
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And if my math is correct, there's there's 19 options as to where the or more
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as to where those kids could have went, but they went to somewhere else, somewhere within the system.
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What does that say to you about what's going on here with this case?
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I think there's a lot of leakage where long forces is taking a close look at everything going on here.
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And so in child protective services is obviously seen it as well.
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So for some reason that they're seeing, they don't trust anyone in that family to have these kids.
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So that's a good sign for maybe their inch in their way towards justice.
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And you know what's really shame is that we know that there are a few that escape that seem to us,
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especially since we interviewed Amy and we read Jill's book and Amy's close to Jill too,
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that I don't like children in the system just because you haven't seen good cases there either.
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So you really wish and you know, and Amy said on our show that she would be more than happy
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to pitch in. She's offered as well. So I'm getting there's a lot of drama. There's a lot of,
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like you said, soap opera stuff going on. I like that that they're not still in the toxic system,
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but at the same time though, they can't be feeling too good. Those are four little babies that
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just are really hugely confused right now and probably scared too because they've been,
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they've been, they've been thrown into thinking one thing about the system they live in.
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And now because we saw this in all the specials we watched, whether it's FLDS or IBLP,
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that they are so indoctrinated that anything outside of that system that doesn't exactly operate
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the way, you know, grandpa Jim Bob told them it's evil. It's horrible. I'm falling outside the
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umbrella. So there's got to be a lot of fear in their hearts as well. Yeah. I mean, I'm not pro.
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Let's throw them to the system either. If there's a good family member that can take care,
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that's usually your best option. But I think it's interesting if this is in fact how it's all
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playing out. Again, conjecture, our opinion, in my opinion, allegedly to everything we're talking
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about. But it's very interesting that that seems to be the dynamic. Again, if that's accurate as
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to where it's all playing out right now. I mean, it seems to say quite a bit. Here's another one.
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It says he allegedly confessed on a call. Apparently he had no idea he was being recorded
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the twice, basically. And then his lawyer turns around and they plead not guilty. Does that not
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guilty plea have any real shot or is it just about buying time? Good question for Bob.
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I don't know where it leads. I mean, everybody, it seems most people do plead not guilty initially.
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And it usually ends up going to some sort of a plea deal of some sort rather than just straight
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to guilty. It's another, you know, it's a situation where words don't mean what they mean in
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some cases, especially in the legal system. Or it's just utterly delusional. And he believes
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under his way of thinking and reasoning in his mind that he's not guilty of these crimes for
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whatever reason. He's been absolved of them by God or I don't know. I don't know what the hell
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was going on up there to say not guilty when you've allegedly already admitted to this other than
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this is just to run the clock down a bit while we work on the deal over here on the side.
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It's really interesting. What popped in my mind as we started talking about this just now, Tony
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is Jim Bob's letter to Joe behind bars. And it was very, very pragmatic and very law-like.
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Like he was very saying, hey, bad things are happening. Again, he was diminishing the words and
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of the accusation and everything. But it's very much, hey, here's a law. You're going to be going
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away from a long time most likely. So you can see that they're accepting of what the fate will
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be legally. But from everything we've seen, studied and watched for this family for so long now,
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that doesn't seem to matter nearly as much them as their faith and their IBLP methodology with,
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hey, we're all going to do bad things. We're not going to stir up the brethren. All you have to do
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to be redeemed is to admit your sin. You'll be redeemed because that's the most important thing.
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And now you can have a ministry. And you know what? Ministries more important because that's the way
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you get into heaven. The only way you get into heaven is to be redeemed, have a ministry,
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and have lots of kids. This legal stuff doesn't mean anything because you can do in their mindset from
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what we understand from studying IBLP, you can literally do anything. If you seek forgiveness,
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it has to be given. If you're seeking forgiveness and you have to be redeemed and that's all you
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got to do and have kids and you're going to heaven, which they think is all more important than going
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to jail. And I think the important interesting distinction there too is in the forgiveness,
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it doesn't have to come from your victims. It says to come from them. No, no, no, no, no. No,
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the victims mean nothing. Nothing. They're not even the damn equation. It's like,
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quivers. As long as you go and speak to SkyDaddy, and SkyDaddy tells you specifically,
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you're forgiven, or you just, this is what the forum says. It says, I mean, if you ask for
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forgiveness, you will be forgiven if you believe. And besides, yeah. And besides the
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forgiven by the victims, well, the victims are shamed into forgiving them because in order to
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keep under the umbrella, you have to show forgiveness. Then they're, yeah, then they're in the wrong
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under the, you see how stupidly cyclical goal is, is you have to forgive heinous acts by anyone,
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or you're going to fall inside the umbrella and not go to heaven and burn in hell. That's a belief
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system. That believes as self-fulfilling prophecy of creating narcissistic S freaks towards children.
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Exactly. One thousand percent there. And there's, I just did a piece this morning,
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and I was addressing Joseph directly in it because he, some of those jail phone calls, which are
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horrific to listen to. They're just so delusional in their nature of,
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I mean, all you do is listen to that poor girl, being basically tortured, and she has no idea
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she's being tortured. No. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, yeah. I mean, it's painful. She's like, I'm
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getting an IV. I can, I'm not eating. I'm can barely walk. And like, I'm reading Ruth about how
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I'm redeemed is basically, yeah, read some songs. Do you know the transfusion of day? Yeah,
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who cares? Stop it up. Read more songs. You'll feel better. It's like, it's, it's, it's,
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it's spousal abuse in my opinion, just on like, as blatant as you can get. Actually,
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when I watch trauma bonding life, listen to it. She, she, she's getting, she's talking, it is,
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because she's talking about horrendous. She is, and at the very end, she is, do you love me?
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Well, yes, I do. Oh, thank you for loving me. There is, there's the one bomb, and trauma,
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trauma, trauma, trauma, trauma, little bomb. Yeah, because that, there, that was a big tell on
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that. We're at the end. She's like, do you, she's asking if he loves her. He abused
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children, and she's asking if he loves her. You know, and this, this is why, you know, I said on
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the piece this morning that I'll be dropping here tomorrow. Sometimes you get a fight fire with
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fire. And since he's speaking all biblically, I spoke all biblically right back in him. And I'm
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going with the Matthew chapter about putting the millstone around the child that predator's neck
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and dropping him in the sea. He'd skip that part. He went right to Ruth and went right to their
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redemption. Not the part of Jesus talking about, let's put the millstone and kick you off the boat.
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I like that one better. I think it's more applicable. It's actionable. It seems like it could be
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effective. It would solve a lot of problems. I say, let's go get a boat this weekend. Everybody
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can go out on it. You know, have a couple beverages and there you go. Millstone. See you later, Joe.
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You know, I'm, I'm giving a lot of credit to Amy Dugger King on her book, Holy Disruptor,
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and this one. She starts out the entire book on the first chapter, countering all of Jim Bob's
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and IBLP's doctrine with other, other citations from the Bible that totally debunk everything
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that he stands for. So she did a great job at that. Yeah. She really did. Yeah. Highly recommend.
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And if you've not seen our interview with the Amy, the conversation, it is up here on our channels.
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Go and check it out. Just more to come very likely by the way, too. Great. So it should be,
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yeah, my God. All right. Your thoughts in the comments section on Substack and YouTube.
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We'd love to hear them. We'll try and get to them. I'll try and answer them online or in a future
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episode of the program here. I'd love for you guys to weigh in. Press subscribe wherever you're
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getting podcasts. So you don't miss any episodes. Robin's latest book. It's not all about me.
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There you go. It's worth reading. Joseph, this would be a good one for you while you're on house
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arrest, you know, while you're sitting there and looking for something to do. All right,
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until next time for Todd for Robin. I'm Tony Bruceke. We'll talk again real soon.
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