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We are here live from New York City once again.

Today, we got a big show for you.

Many, many people are going to walk through these doors.

Many people are going to hang out with this in-person today here in New York.

Yesterday, I fired off a text, said, hey, man, will you please drop by?

And I know.

You didn't think I was going to show up?

Well, I know.

Well, first of all, Jordan and Stan, I was Lawrence, Billy, Jones, the third.

I know what a big ask it is when you get up.

You probably get up.

Hold on, I can do this, because I've been-

You've done it.

Where you are.

And I think I know you decently.

Our Brian can do his, I get up at 2 a.m. thing.

Okay.

My suspicion is you are getting up at-

You live in the city.

I live in the city.

If I were you?

Mm-hmm, let's see.

I was you.

Yeah.

My alarm went off at 4.30.

I got into the building about 5.10.

5.5.10.

Red, side of my couch, got dressed at 5.30 in the makeup chair at 5.40

on set then for a 6 o'clock show.

My suspicion is you're kind of similar.

Close.

Cloth, I got to get in a little bit earlier than you, because I have to do the tease.

Not Brian makes you do it every day.

I do it three days out of the week.

Well, that's only, what, seven minutes earlier, right?

You're talking about on Fox and Friends first.

You hop on.

I got to hop on.

Four and a half minutes.

Four and a half minutes coming up.

That's 15 minutes before the show.

What time's your alarm go off?

Four o'clock.

Four o'clock.

Four o'clock.

Okay.

Yeah.

So I know what a big ask it is.

Because I got to take the dog out.

Oh, you see them, Sam?

Yeah, yeah.

You see.

You do.

You take her out every morning.

And just to the street to do her business.

Do her lap real quick.

And boom, that takes about 10, 10 extra minutes.

Man, when I first moved to New York, all right, I had a doberman.

He was at that.

The doberman was in New York.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

He was 10 years old.

So I got him in Hawaii.

He lived in Hawaii, Texas, Austin, and Sherman, and Montana.

My man had been around.

Right.

He worked to ranch him.

And then at the end of his life, I take him to New York, right?

And my wife and I, my wife's here with me right now.

And we saw these dogs taking a dump on the street, Lawrence.

And we were like, oh, it's so sad for that dog.

And here's my dog, right?

First of all, we first moved to New York.

He has been a country dog and a small town dog.

There was no need, and intuitively the dog understands, I don't go the bathroom on

hard surfaces.

Right.

Right.

On hard surfaces, right?

You don't go the bathroom in the house.

Right.

There's a hard surface correlation that goes on.

Yeah.

They don't take a dump in the driveway.

No.

No.

They don't go out to the street.

It's not their deal.

It's the yard.

So he's like, where do I go the bathroom?

Right.

So you know how when you walk up and down the street, there's the trees and the trees have

the little planar around it.

Right.

And sometimes they have a little gate.

Right.

That's where my dog goes.

And he hopped up in there, that little tiny square around the tree is like, I guess

this is where I go and went.

That's the same for my dog.

Because she, her first six months, because you know, she's a military dog and she was raised

on the farm.

So she won't go on hard surfaces.

She won't go on the sidewalk.

Really?

And I could have trained her to go on the sidewalk, but I always thought it's weird.

When I see dogs, dude, that's weird for me.

Boy, that's not, that's full pop.

Sidewalk is full pop, New York.

Yeah.

It's just take them to the street.

Yeah.

That's what people do.

It's, to me, the whole thing is weird.

So she's never learned.

I tell you what, she did, we've had a snowy season here.

And because the snow was on the ground, the first time she did, I was like, oh, she went

on the sidewalk.

But it was only because she didn't see the sidewalk.

Yeah.

She saw the snow.

Yeah.

And I thought, I said to myself, I said, is she going to continue this afterwards?

Absolutely not.

When the snow got away, she went right back to her normal area.

Man, we got Fox and Friends host Lawrence Jones with us here.

And he said, well, we can talk about, I go, I don't know, and we're already going,

because I've got, so the other day, Lawrence, now I've got two documents.

Okay.

And I just got a new one about a year ago.

And, you know, this is your first.

You've got a Belgian mill.

Yeah.

It's your first.

Yeah.

Okay.

And you're going to love that dog, like no dog that comes after it.

Probably going to be my last dog, honestly.

That's what you said.

No.

Okay.

And there's other reasons you may be saying that, but so I got my first dog when I was 21.

I was a senior in college or something like that.

And that was my man.

I mean, he was with me through everything, and he was so good in my mind, he was perfect

like he didn't do anything.

Right.

And so when he died, I'm not doing it again.

Yeah.

There's no, there's no matching.

There's no meeting.

There's no replicating it.

And I went a long time.

I probably went 10 years.

Yeah.

I went in retrospect way too long because the dog enriches your life so much.

100%.

And so when I got my other dog, and now the female that I have, she is awesome.

I love her to death.

She is not ever going to be him, the first one, she will not, but she is amazing.

Yeah.

And then I get my third one.

I got to.

And he is not.

He's got me the one of him.

He is not either of the other two, man.

He's gorgeous.

Right.

He walks in.

He is gorgeous.

I think he's got a little European blood in him.

There's two types of dolphins, American and European, and the Europeans little thicker.

Right.

Lock your head.

He's gorgeous.

So this weekend, Dan, I didn't tell you in Pat this as well.

So it's walking my dog, and I walk them without a leash.

They do wear electric collars, but I mean, they're awesome.

Off lead.

Yeah.

I say heel, they heal.

And the guy that helped me train them was like, how bad asked do you feel when you're

walking on the street and you got two dolphins flanking you?

You know, it's just sitting there walking with you.

And if I say loose, they go loose.

Yeah.

So in various parts of the neighborhood, I'll say loose and I just let him go.

Yeah.

So we were approaching this cul-de-sac, and I knew this is a good place.

I said loose.

They can run.

This guy walks out, and he sees my dog before it sees me.

And he's like, and he kind of looks around, and then he turns and sees me and goes,

oh, okay, there's his owner.

There's owner.

Okay.

But then I still thought, well, I'm going to bring them back.

And because it's a little uncool to have them rampaging front yards.

Well, guy, so I go heel, and they come running.

They come running behind a tree.

And right then, I hear on your left, and I'm like, oh, no.

And on my left is the bane of my wife's existence.

Like she said, if there is a racism version of whatever this is, she is this a cyclist.

She doesn't not care.

I'm with her.

Yeah.

I feel like they don't buy by the rules.

That's it.

You're on the helmet.

First of all, it's starting with the helmet in the main charts.

Right.

Right.

They look silly.

Hey, I would say the rules, they look silly.

And then number three, they're just a ****.

Well, they had, they live in a world.

Now, first of all, I've never been a cyclist, and I will grant them this.

I bet it's a little scary.

Like it's a little ride.

They don't ride.

Okay.

It's on you.

Don't ride.

I mean, they don't obey rules.

No.

Like they don't do stop signs.

And they expect you to obey rules.

No.

And so what I'm good at doing is hearing cars come.

Right.

Now, the whole hybrid electric thing does throw a, I can hear cars coming.

And that's when I say, he'll, I didn't hear this dude at all until I heard on your

left.

I had already said, he'll, they're on their way.

They come from behind the tree.

The female who's faster and more athletic, she's quickly passed him.

And I can see it happened in slow motion.

Here comes my lumbering gigantic 80 pound dogman.

And he's like, boom, boom, boom.

And dude, the cyclist hit him square.

And the cyclist went over his handlebars, helmet on the ground, elbow on the ground.

And he's like, oh, here we go.

And I'm like, are you okay, man?

And he was kind of slow and everything was slow.

And I was like, just take your time.

Don't get up.

And he goes, how's the dog?

I'm not worried about the dog.

I'm worried about you.

All right.

So at this point, I don't know where my dog is.

I just figured he's over there laying on the side of the road.

And so about a couple of minutes passed, I'm like, okay, I should find my dog.

And I can't find my dog now.

I'm like, same, same.

Where are you?

And all I see is down the street, my dog, high tailing it, scared as could be being chased

by this husky whose leash is trailing behind it.

So he got hit by a bike.

He ran up to an old lady walking to her dog who was a husky.

Some commotion.

Some have.

But he gone.

He gone.

So I've got this 80 pound dangerous looking doberman, terrified running away from this husky

after he just got hit by a bike.

He's not know the doberman I've ever had.

I like dobermans.

So for people don't know, when I'm not doing TV, if I could stop doing TV today, then I

would go on the farm and train dogs.

I love training duchy's malinwals, dutch shipper, German shepherds and malinwals.

Those are the three I trained.

Yeah.

By the way, real quick, I love those dogs as well.

There's two reasons I'm not into those dogs.

Okay.

All three of them.

They're in a similar vein, but mostly yours, Belgian.

I happened into dobermans.

I adopted one from the humane society, never planned on getting it.

And then I fell in love with the breed, loyal smart, sensitive, all these things.

But there's no doubt that Belgians are more smart, more athletic than the doberman.

Yeah.

A, I don't have a lifestyle that can accommodate a Belgian.

Belgians are not pets.

They're working dogs.

They're working dogs.

And it's too much for me.

Yeah.

I think for you, to some extent, I don't think those dogs really, I feel bad when I see

those dogs in Texas.

Really?

Dude, it's 100 degrees for a month and a half and they've got those long.

When I see a German shepard in Texas, I'm like, my man is dying.

Yeah, but I mean, you don't, you don't like, for example, this stuff just becomes like

instinct for you, like she's in the house.

Actually, she loves being in Texas when we're at the house.

The only thing that I have to do that I don't do in what I'm in New York is before I go

out, I test the ground to make sure her paws and because the way I release it, I just

pick her up, pick her up, put her on my back.

Sometimes you'll see me like how she has her lead on, most of the time she can move without

her lead.

So if I feel the ground, it's like, yeah, yeah, make sure it's hot so it doesn't burn

the paws.

Other than that, she's good.

And I just keep, you know, the car running, making sure the air condition, we, like,

I adapted my lifestyle to fit with her, you know, so it's actually not as big of a struggle

as you may think.

Now some people, their lifestyle is, their lifestyle, they're not going to adapt to it.

And I wouldn't, you know, there's a bunch of Malinois's and shelters now because people

sell them on movies and all the videos, I'm sure, you know, when I first started, Nala

was two months and because it's a military philosophy, no treats, no shot call, I don't,

it's all love and connection with the dog, right, and discipline, obviously.

The boys tried to break me because they didn't feel like I, with my lifestyle, going in diners

and all that, that I could have a dog full time.

And so I really showed up for like training and water training and all different type of

obstacle courses to kind of prove to them.

I could take this on three years later, we're good.

We traveled over 300 and some thousand miles one year, doing election year, and she's

it everywhere you see me, Adina, she's with me.

So you would do this, you're saying you were, you're walking through the breeze that you

like, you would want to train if you didn't do this.

100%.

And we, what were you, you were going to say something about Doveman, it's like you like

those.

I do like them, but I just haven't had the opportunity to train them, but they're great

dogs.

They're in the same vein.

They're in the same vein.

I love the work and breathe because, you know, I try to be a disciplined person.

I get up at the same time, I eat at the same time, go to the gym at the same time.

That's who I am.

Like I'm very routine oriented and knowledge is the same way.

Like if I decide to sleep in on the weekend and she's up, like where are we going?

Like it's time to go.

It's time to go.

And that, that works for me.

But if I could leave TV to dead and still pay my bills, I would go train dogs because

it just gives you, I don't know, it's just different man.

No, I purpose, you know, it's so much.

It's so much.

Yesterday, we somehow ended up playing, have you seen the videos of King Charles?

No, no.

Oh, you got to see the videos of King Charles.

He's this dog.

It's in like a pound or, you know, with all these other dogs and he's got ultimate

alpha energy.

Like, Dan, pull it up so Lawrence can see it.

He doesn't need dev sound.

That video that you'll have it right there, Lawrence.

But the way that he behaves and the other dogs react to him, I'm talking about cane

corsoes.

He's like a mutt.

He's like, I'm talking about cane corsoes, German shepherds, his alpha energy and the way

he controls other dogs.

But the point I'm getting at on that is you're dealing in a form of communication.

Look, we talk all about men being masculine and alpha energy, but it's some degree like

what you see with dogs is a proxy.

We'll watch this.

Okay.

That's King Charles.

Okay.

But where's the video?

Oh, wow.

Where's the video, Dan, where he walks through the junk yard.

Okay.

These are dogs fighting.

Okay.

You can see him standing there.

That video you had yesterday was the one, look at these two dogs going at it.

Here it is.

These dogs are going at it and they're fighting, right?

He's not here yet.

King Charles.

Hold on.

These two dogs look at, they're going to fight, they're establishing who's dominant in

this thing.

Now watch.

This is my favorite part.

Look at the cane corsoe.

Bow.

The German shepherds says he's here and then look, he's here and now he's going to get this

dude in line.

King Charles just walks in and the dude that was aggressive, all of a sudden, bows his

head.

He knows.

He knows.

Charles is here.

Look at that cane corsoe.

Bow.

He knows.

He knows.

I mean, some of it is genetic with breezes and all that, but sometimes it's dog personalities.

We know what a litter is born.

First of all, not to give out secrets of the farm and all that, but there's no human, really

human contact for the first five weeks.

If a dog dies, it's very primal.

If a dog dies, if they kill each other, that's the way they are because you want them

to establish how God wanted them to be before you put them out in the field.

I know if a dog is going to be right for a home or the military when they're babies because

they're temperament, how they respond to each other and all that.

And I know the bullies too, but you know what?

The bullies go meet a real bully and we see that in class all the time where this dog

is picking on the other dogs and doing the minute and we're like, okay, just wait.

Just wait and we let it happen.

We let it happen.

Let them establish them.

Humans, we think that we need to control everything and so they're like, what are you doing?

Why are you letting this happen?

God intended them to be that way.

You've got to just let it play itself out.

Because we're an overly toxically empathetic society, demonized and don't understand.

That's true.

That's true.

That's true.

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This is just getting fun with my buddy Lawrence Jones, the host of Fox and Friends, when

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Welcome back to wheelcane country.

We're still hanging out with the host of fox and friends.

Lawrence Billy Jones the third.

So you want to talk about the war or do you want to talk about?

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

We've only got.

How much time do we got?

Not as as much as we want, because I want to talk about something else too.

Yeah.

Let's talk about the war.

When he sat down, he said, I should come on your show more and we can disagree.

I'm like, what do we disagree on?

And you brought up the war and then I joke, well, I've got general keen to tell you where

I get wrong on war.

And then you said, I say you got to understand.

Well, well, first you said it was, you thought it was a beautiful moment.

It was beautiful.

Everyone listening and watching familiar, I talked about it on the show afterwards that

general keen kind of barked at me said, don't patronize me or I think that's what he

said.

Tell me what he said.

Something like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then I kind of pushed back, like general, I'm not patronizing you.

I'm asking what I think is a very important question.

What are the objectives of the war?

We went through the interview.

He apologized at the end of the interview on air.

100%.

Audience was.

Watch the whole thing.

Audience has never been more mad at me.

Thought I was disrespectful.

Yeah.

I will defend myself.

I don't back down.

I do think my question was important.

I made the mistakes in the interview.

I shouldn't have raised my finger and this kind of thing.

But anyway, why do you think it was beautiful?

Well, because I know you both and I know my evolution.

Like when you first met me, I was a libertarian.

I was like totally grown up and like you grew up and you just leave those ways.

But I know you both and one thing I respect about you is that you have approach and that

approach does not change no matter who's in front of you.

You can be the president of the United States, a general or just me and you as boys.

And you're very methodical in your, you have, you have what I call the build up to your

question.

You got to set the stage and make sure that points are hit first.

Well, you have a four star general who's in war right now, you know, who's advised

in the president, sick, deaf, you know, Israel, who's it and he wants, he's in the heat

of the moment now.

He's looking at battle plan.

He is back and he is groove and your approach is not changing.

And so the general is like, just get to your question, you know, and I love that because,

you know, I think one of the things that TV struggles with is we want to script things

as best as possible, right?

And you miss authenticity in moments like that by trying to stick with time cues, how

you structured things.

And that was real life because you were trying to get to the nitty-gritty during your job and

the general was like, I'm fighting, I'm getting weapons reports, I'm, I'm in the thick

of a, just answer your ethnic question.

And you apologize at the end and say, you know, I should have never barked at you.

He is as well.

He's a gentleman as well.

And I think, you know, a lot of people are separated on this war, you know, for so often,

for a long time, I've said no new wars, no new wars.

But with this one, I'm way different because I see what the president is doing.

And honestly, I see with Venezuela, I see what the world, and I see this opportunity

to re, redo the map, you know, you got Latin America, you're talking about root causes,

you want to really get down to root causes, then you got to make sure you reestablish order

in the, in the region there.

And then I see Iran, who is, there is no negotiation with them.

No one wants to say that.

The president doesn't want to say that, the sec, sec, they don't want to say that.

But there is no negotiate.

You have to kill them.

You have to wipe them out.

And some of them, frankly, and, and forgive me, but I have too many boys that have gone

through it is the children are a part of this as well.

Now, there are the innocent children, and then there are the children that are on the battlefield

as well that will give your location out, will strap a suicide vest to them, and no one

wants to have that uncomfortable, uncomfortable conversation.

And so I look at this, and I, I see the region and the inspiration, you're talking about

the Middle East and, you know, a lot of the Muslim country, Arab world, a lot of the

inspiration for terrorism comes from Iran.

And I see the president saying, we're going to wipe you out.

And you can't, you want to be consistent.

You really do, because you've held this position.

But I'm comfortable with saying, um, I trust the people that are making decisions right

now.

And so I feel a little bit differently about this, a lot different about this.

So, um, well, like you, I was probably a libertarian a long time ago.

That's not what informs my point of view anymore, uh, at all.

In fact, I think most of the libertarian perspective, and a lot of the right that's pushing

back on this, I'm very suspective.

Oh, a hundred percent.

A hundred percent.

A hundred percent.

And like there's just been this weird thing now where, where like super, uh, I don't

know, if the word is complimentary, forgiving or tolerant of, um, Islamism, and I don't

get it.

It's like people's skepticism.

And that is new for me.

I got to be honest with you.

Well, I've driven out of their skepticism of Israel.

Right, right, right.

That's what's going on.

So they're going all the way the other way this, uh, I don't, the only guiding

lot I have, Lawrence, because I'm not a pacifist, and I, I don't think I'm a no

new worst guy, um, is America first, right?

That's it.

Okay.

So what that means for me is anything that we do, even, even foreign adventure, adventure,

whatever, um, as long as it serves America first, then I'm, I can be sold on it.

Now, serving America first has to answer a question of cost and benefit, right?

And that's where I get into the Iran thing a little bit on the cost benefit side.

So yeah, yeah, take out Maduro, uh, cost, low, benefit, high, uh, Greenland, love it,

cost, low benefit, high, all these things, um, obviously a rock in Afghanistan,

and the secretary of war and the president, been very clear.

They're not just in those types of wars, cost, high benefit, low, right?

So the question with the wrong is what will be the cost benefit, right?

And do you feel I don't know the answer to that yet?

Because we, and this is that day with keen, what I was trying to do is establish the objectives,

because if I can establish the objective, now I can analyze the cost benefit.

So because you got to know what your goal is, goal, and then what's it cost to get to the goal?

Cause the goal defines the benefit, right?

And I'm like today, I am a little concerned with the USS Tripoli and the Marines,

the second airborne headed to the region.

To yesterday on the show, we have made our demands of Iran.

We put out five demands.

There's two that are concerning.

No nuclear enrichment and control of straight form moves.

Yeah, those are both great, but the cost to accomplish those goals is what's the big question.

What, and what we need, what we need to do, let me ask you this,

what we need to do is on the southern coast.

Are you, when you say cost, and it, it could be both, because a lot of people look at it at both.

Are you looking at it for cost when it comes to the lives that could be lost,

American soldiers, or the financial costs that is going to blood treasure?

Okay, it's both.

If you don't have a military,

why have a military, if you're not going to take out the number one tear it through it?

Yeah, that's okay.

I get it.

When I was young in my career, Lawrence, I was a CNN and I'm not saying you're saying this.

Okay, but this, this is something that informed me.

We were going to bomb Libya and we did and we took out Qaddafi.

Okay.

And then we took out Qaddafi and then the radicals took control.

Remember, okay.

And I'm doing that.

And maybe back then, this is probably, what was that like 11 2011?

Um, just then the Arab Spring.

Right.

And, um, I was maybe a little more libertarian than I am now.

And I remember Elliott Spitzer who was then the governor of New York said to me,

what's the point in having all these toys if we don't use them?

Uh, that's a world that's that and dude, it scared me because what I heard there

was a level of narcissism and egoism that I don't ever want at the hands of power.

Now, listen, you said something key a moment ago and this is key for me.

And I hope this doesn't like a cop out to anyone.

I trust the president and I trust the Secretary of War.

I trust the men making decisions on this and that's the end key for me.

So I can go through all this intellectual exercise and I think we should.

I think the question should be asked and I, but the bottom line is,

I do trusted those men are asking those questions, right?

And those men are going through this analysis.

I, it doesn't mean I shouldn't be asking them about it.

I should because the American people should be asking the same.

But I do trust these leaders.

I would say this will.

I feel like you're approaching it from a fair perspective.

What I've seen on the right that I don't like and some of it is innocent and some

of it is an ideology that I just can't jive with right now is that they are

some on our side that legitimately think that Israel brought us here.

Yeah.

And it's just factually inaccurate.

It's just factually the, the, you know, it was one point in this whole

conflict where baby wanted to go.

I mean, I'm sorry that the president wanted to go and baby was still in the president.

You know, we can't do this right now.

We're not ready, just yet.

And I mean, like you know, these guys.

And, and so, I mean, I don't need the president.

You know, I say it's going to be bullied by anybody.

That was my second point.

That's my second point.

So I just, I'm trying to understand that perspective.

I really am because I think part of it is rooted in anti-symmetism.

It is 100%.

But the other part is they look at the money and they look at the relationship

with Israel and there are some people that are legitimately questioning it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I know you're right.

I think that's the core of a lot of this on the right.

Yeah.

And, and, and I'm biased on it because I'm from my Christian worldview and my

American first world view.

I'm biased on it.

I know our special forces trains with their special forces.

I know the weapons that they met that we make.

They make better, right?

They'll, we'll sell them weapons and they'll do their own configuring.

And they put their people on the line.

We're not fighting a war for them.

They're fighting as well.

They have boots on the ground.

They're ready to go.

And so, um, you know, I'm not, I don't want to use as a cop out of saying,

oh, I know too much because I think it's all publicly available for the most part.

But these guys are linking arm and arm with us.

And I just, I just, I still do from a religious standpoint,

believe that we will always be paired together.

I don't understand the Christians on our side that can acknowledge our

Lord and Savior being a Jew and then want this distance between them.

You know, I don't understand where they, on a moral ground,

where people feel like the gazes and the Israelis are equal.

Our human life is equal.

But one is raining out terror against the other and we'll be next as well.

And so I don't want to be academic and try to explain people to people what radical

Islamic terror is and what an infidel is and how the difference between a Muslim

and a Islamist, but she and people until people understand that.

I want to do only two things with you real quick.

So this is my other thing.

And I said this with Brian this morning on his radio show, I am concerned with this.

And this is tied to your Islamism thing is right now,

according to a new Fox News poll, independents, only 28% support this war.

I get it. And that's narrative racking.

Yeah. I had a Republican tell me who's running for Congress today.

He is internal polling shows a five to six point swing.

I believe he was up three.

Now he's down like two or three because of this.

He said, yeah, he's not against it.

He's just saying, I'm just telling you what my polling is showing me.

And so my concern is, I, okay, not everything needs to be filtered to the

prism of winning elections, but I am big on immigration.

That is my thing.

Yes.

And this, the Islamism thing, the assimilation issues, these kind of things are big.

And so if you, and by the way, some things are going really good on that front,

self deportations, even denaturalization.

This is another area where we disagree.

I feel like that issue is more catastrophic to Republicans in a midterm

election than this war.

No, that's a, that, that is a political price I'm willing to pay because I'm

not. It's the future of the country.

And if that, if, if this war, for example, makes us lose the midterms and

then we can't do immigration stuff that we need to do, now we've got a big problem.

We lose the country through uncontrolled immigration.

I believe it's the, the opposite.

The, the idea, and by the way, I used to hold this position of deporting everyone,

right?

If you're in the country illegally, you got to be deported.

It is not realistic.

It's just not realistic.

It's just, and even if it was realistic, you got to do it in layers.

You have to do it in layers.

You look, I, I don't, I'm not saying every Latino

that made the conversion is not going to vote for us if we don't do this in a

structured way.

And I think Tom Homan is doing a great job.

But if we don't do it in a structured way, we will lose our games, period.

And all the other changes that we want, I'm just more radical on this.

I'm going to have Congressman Andy Ogles on the show today.

And I'm talking about legal immigration too.

I agree with you.

We have four natural, we have four naturalized Americans.

Well, three and one, the children of naturalized commit terror into two week

period, Austin, Old Dominion, Michigan, New York.

But that's a vetting problem.

Hmm.

That's a vetting problem.

They went through unjust vetting.

It's simulation problems too.

Like, of course, 70% of our legal immigration is their family reunification.

100% 70% that's not asking the essential question.

Do you want to be an American?

That's asking, do you want to live with your grandma?

Right.

Right.

Right.

You know, right.

Right.

And I think there should be structures that that is a, that is a more

structured approach to tackling that.

But, but once the people are here, right, and they're not a part of a criminal

element, and you're just going to deport people that have a stab.

You can't ask people to be political when their family members are being deported.

And you can't win the next election without Latinos.

It's just a reality.

I'm, I started looking at numbers and I'm like, we can't.

He must have supported the idea.

I mean, I don't know where we are today.

To the extent, yeah, takes a look at Florida.

Areas that we had already won are flipping.

Yeah.

You are going to be there telling me, Osirina Monty is waiting.

So I got to get to Osirup, but I did want to ask you to stay.

Yeah.

Lawrence, Billy Jones Jones, the, so my son will be the four.

You know what catches me in this whole thing, right?

What?

Come on, Billy.

Billy, you never knew my middle name was Billy?

No.

For most of them, not William, you know, Billy and not Larry either.

You know, Larry short for Lawrence.

My dad was Larry.

I didn't want Lawrence.

Probably my dad's like you.

So, so Billy is a nickname for William.

That's what they say.

No, it is what it is.

That's what they say.

You know, I tell you, you know, it's a Larry is a nickname.

It's a white thing.

It's not a white thing.

It's a color thing.

It really is a color thing.

And I don't understand.

First of all, where do you get Larry for Lawrence?

I don't know, but you do feel from what you don't.

You just came up with it one day and somebody a long time ago.

Well, you just start changing people name.

That's not the most confusing one is Jack.

The most confusing one is Jack.

Jack is, you know, Jack is John.

See, like that, like that.

That's like, can you imagine the John de Baptis and it's like, uh,

Jesus, Jack, don't even sound powerful.

It doesn't have the, I'm just saying it's a color thing.

And I don't know, do we use that term?

Huh?

Do we use that term?

I use all the terms you're not supposed to.

I say Yankee.

I said color, I use them all.

Can I think I think I think can I say?

Yes.

In context, if I don't think I get away with saying it's a color thing.

It's a, it is a color thing going straight to Billy and bypassing

William is a black thing.

That's not a, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's a white thing.

No, it's what I did.

Changing, changing people's names with, I don't even know the formula for it.

Like who comes up with that?

No, my birth certificate says Lawrence Billy Jones to third.

You're telling me black people don't change names from birth certificate names?

Well, they'll give you a nickname.

Yes, but not like changing your name.

They don't say, hey, this sure, like if I want to call you Jim, but you just

Jim, but no matter what, no matter what, if your name Larry John,

Bill, I just gave you that nickname thing.

He goes like white people have the best nicknames.

You can like go into a bank and you'll meet the banker.

I can't, I can't even good white people nickname my, he's like, but you'll take

a loan from him, but you don't go into the bank and be like, who's going to be

your loan officer today?

Jim Buck.

You don't do it.

It's true.

I want to see the skin action because it's true.

It's true.

We, I just, I've never, it's partly my grandfather.

He told me.

You think Billy D Williams, is it William actually, is it William, Billy D Williams?

It can't be William D Williams.

Nah, can't be.

I told you, I told you, I think we should have these uncomfortable

conversations.

I think it would make us grow as a society and we embrace our differences and be

honest about it.

No, um, Charles, that's my name, you know, that's my son's name.

Your name is, I'm, I, I come from a long line of charges.

Your name is Charles William.

Charles Williams with an S.

Yeah, it's my mom's maiden name.

Now, who came up with that?

Well, it was my mom's maiden name.

They wanted to honor that side of the family.

So your real name is Charles.

I've been calling you will.

It's Charles Williams came and I go by will.

Oh, okay, so let me ask you this.

Hey, Osra, bring Osra on.

So you have to wait.

Go ahead, go ahead, ask me this.

And is your family comfortable with people changing the name?

Like you being my son is Charles.

He goes by Charlie.

That's, that's, that's understandable.

I don't know where that came from.

That's Charles, too.

Yeah, but at least that's close.

Chas, chas for what?

That's Charles to see what I mean.

See what you would do is you just go Lawrence, Chas, Jones, the fifth.

Let me, let me tell you true story.

And I'm going to let you go for years.

I have told people I will not

respond to Larry.

If you call me Larry, I'm going to start Larry.

I won't respond just your name, probably about 10 years ago.

I warned her for you.

I love the death of office.

Just be next door to each other.

Don't call me Larry.

The producers were known don't come and we were doing a live television interview.

You probably go back in and she said, Larry, Larry, can you hear me?

And I act like my IFB.

I just stand into the camera.

She never called me Larry again.

All right.

That's it.

That's your Fox fact for the day.

Good to see you, Larry.

Trivia.

All right.

Lawrence, Billy, Jones, the third.

I understand you're going to be on next Thursday, too.

You probably didn't know that.

Yeah.

That's what they just texted me.

They said, don't, don't do it all in one shot.

I got an answer to anybody.

All right.

See you, buddy.

Good to see you, buddy.

Thanks, man.

Do we?

What do you want to do?

You want to do this?

What do you want to do?

You want to do it with a little, a little salt?

Yeah.

A little salt.

Yeah, that's nice.

No rhythm.

What?

I got it.

Let's try this.

Yeah.

That was smooth.

Coming up, Ozerna Monty has been doing a deep dive investigation at Fox News.com on

the money behind the left.

Neville Roy Singham, when we come back on Wilking Country.

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I'm sorry, Osra.

I'm sorry you had to listen to all that.

No, it's entertaining.

I get to be an audience.

I'm sorry, I made you wait.

I love it.

I could talk all day about dogs.

So, Osra enjoyed every bit of it.

My good one was the comedian or talking about by the way.

My good one was the one that talked about black nicknames for a white nicknames.

Okay, let's play it after Osra.

Osra to Monty Fox News Digital investigative reporter.

Why could you talk about dogs?

Are you a big dog person, Osra?

Oh no, you know, it's a big deal.

This issue.

So, you know, I was, I'm Muslim.

Yeah.

And we haven't even gotten into those topics.

I could talk all day about the stuff you and Lawrence.

Yeah.

Talking about.

Yeah.

And one of the big issues you know came up over the last few months was whether or not Muslim families can have dogs.

And I have been not only a Muslim feminist, but I've also been an advocate for dogs in homes.

I've never in our ancestry have we ever had a dog as a pet.

But some years ago I got a little dog.

You did.

And named her Lily Foxy Lily pad actually was her full name.

She's a breed that I bet you never even heard of.

A finished bits.

Have you ever heard of that?

Never have.

Oh my God.

Beautiful.

Like a fox.

Oh.

A bird dog.

To have a great bark.

And she was my best friend.

I was a single mom raising my son.

And she was always in the passenger seat.

And I'm with you.

I was so with you because she passed away a few years ago.

And I have not been able to replace you.

Because that's that word.

It's that word.

Replace like you're right.

I won't use that word.

Right.

Because you're right.

I mean, it's not replace.

It's just giving another dog your love.

That's right.

And getting their love.

That's right.

But I'm not, but I'm not, I'm saying it philosophically.

Because in practice, I can't do it either.

What the, the, the debate.

Is that, are you talking about,

is that come up with mom, Donnie?

Where did it come up?

Yeah.

It was in America.

Yeah, it just came up like over the last couple months.

I'm trying to remember.

I got ugly, you know.

And somebody who said, like, oh, I'm going to bring a dog instead of a Muslim to something.

Or I got a little bit, you know, squeak, like, little, little weird.

But, um, why don't I look up?

I can't remember the details.

But I remember something too on that.

So it comes up and, um, and what it is is,

it's just like all that interpretation.

It's about this whole gamut of interpretation.

I mean, it connects to what we're going to talk about about ideology.

Yeah.

Because it's all ideology.

That's why I'm so obsessed about ideology.

Because I have seen ideology do so much damage in the world.

And so much damage that you can't bring a dog in your home if you believe this orthodox interpretation

that the clerics teach us that this is what they say.

I know you're not going to believe this.

And it's so outrageous that I call it, I put it in the,

what the fuck what category?

Okay.

We were a little afraid what I was going to say.

But they claimed that no dog will, no, sorry, no angel will enter a home in which a dog lives.

So that's pretty heavy, right?

Yeah.

And so I got Lily and I asked my mom how she felt about it.

Because, you know, maybe we'd have some relatives that wouldn't come over.

And she's like, good.

Good for those that won't come.

We don't need them at the house.

Yeah.

And my dad prays regularly and she would lie on his prayer rug and he didn't mind, you know,

because I mean, as you know, this is, these are what was from centuries ago.

When we didn't have vets and we didn't have pet spots and all that.

So as a Muslim reformer, we had an actual session in which we argued that,

and I called it dogs are angels on earth.

And that's why they might they might very well be.

They might very well be.

Yeah.

You know, it's interesting.

I want to get into your investigative reporting again in just a moment, but two things.

Those fatwas in any ancient wisdom, I struggle with this to some degree, Osir,

because I do think that ancient wisdom is grounded in wisdom.

Like it comes from somewhere very rarely is it arbitrary, right?

Whether it's Jews not eating pork or Christians, I had this Christian dietician on.

And he was telling me all these things, how to eat biblically.

And he was like this, I can't remember all of them.

But they all come from somewhere dealing with sanitary conditions and these kind of things.

But they are conditions that no longer exist, right?

Right.

But the point is at some point we need to give proper weight to ancient wisdom that comes from somewhere

and then judge it against whether or not it does apply to modern life,

but not dismiss it as an absurdity.

Yeah.

I completely agree.

One of my favorite words about religion and theology is hermeneutics, right?

Do you know that word?

No.

It's just the study of the sacred tax.

And there's so many ways that you can relate to the tax.

You relate to it literally metaphorically.

I mean, that's the challenge.

Do we relate to the Old Testament literally?

Well, likely not because of some of the verses there.

And that's the battle in Islam is how do people relate to the tax?

Those problematic, many problematic verses that are maybe wise for that time,

because, hey, you know, men would thrash women.

And so then they minimize how much you could, you have to beat a wife lightly.

You know, things that are not acceptable now in the 21st century,

but we're supposedly progressive for them.

And so that's like, I love that study.

And one day, well, I'm going to come on and we're going to talk about eschatology,

my other favorite word, which is end times theory.

Oh, book it.

Yeah.

Book it now.

I love it.

I'm going to talk to you about Muslim eschatology and how that's exactly

what the Iranian clerics are chasing.

Oh, I'd love to talk about that.

Before we move on, I just want to get your top line thoughts.

We don't have to go all the way, but you said you were listening to me in Lawrence

and talking about that.

And you're like, you know, I'm Muslim.

And you said you have a lot of thoughts.

I want to hear at least some of them.

Well, it's just, you know, I really connect to a lot of the conversation that you have.

I love listening to your podcast because you're thinking aloud about these big ideas,

about identity and assimilation and protecting this nation.

And, you know, for me, America was the place where I could be most free as a Muslim.

I did come from India, which is a very, you know,

who are us of country in terms of how Muslim countries are,

because Muslims are the minority there, though they're going to be the largest population

in the world one day of Muslims in a nation.

But it was, I grew up in Washington, West Virginia.

I could run with the wind in my hair along those foothills of the Appalachian Mountains.

I wore shorts, playing volleyball.

I got the Presidential Physical Fitness Test Award, not to brag here.

I remember it.

I remember that award.

I love that award.

Multiple times.

And, you know, that's how I found my stride.

And that's why I have this, you know, protection too of girls and sports.

These ideas that align me with, you know, a lot of the struggles that we have today.

But that's the challenge.

And what hurts me a little bit, honestly, is the fact that we are oftentimes out of fear

and just failure within the Muslim community to show leadership of assimilation.

You know, we're, we're, unfortunately, our communities are governed by organizations

like the Council on American Islamic Relations, which is just proxy for the Muslim Brotherhood

and very, you know, supremacist ideas.

They create a victim culture among Muslims and they act like they represent Muslims.

And so we don't have good representatives in America advocating for, you know, the ideas

that you're talking about, they're like demanding, oh, we have a right to not, you know,

it might have been something like this where like, I have a right not, I'm a taxi driver

and I have a right not to accept your dog in my taxi.

You know, things like that, which are just, you know, just so ridiculous.

And so that's the what the fat, the what part of my, my journey is questioning those edics

and those expectations that we be victims or we not own up to our extremism problem

like that really bugs me.

I think it's a psychological, you know, development and any human being

and any culture to own up to things.

And so those are the kind of challenges that we still have because we're still Muslims

as a community, right, started some centuries after Christianity even.

And somehow we're still stuck in the dark ages.

Well, we'll have those conversations in the future.

I would love to do that.

Today is part four of your five part investigative series into the funding and the organization

behind a lot of the protests.

It's always so, when I say it, I feel like I'm doing the audience disservice

because I say a lot of the protests.

And it's just all of the protests.

It's like anti-ice, anti-anti-aron war, pro-Palestine, whatever the cause,

the organized nature and funding nature behind them.

And really we're focused on the man, never-woisting them behind a lot of that.

You did a great job yesterday on the Fox News Channel.

We played some of the video of never-woisting them.

And I think in the latest, you're really going more into this wedding,

which really becomes a big symbol, a big symbol as he gets married in Jamaica

to the co-founder of CodePink.

Yeah, I mean, it just connects to all of us that we're talking about

because never-woisting them represents a man who embraces any ideology

that is really not in sync with Western values and definitely America's culture.

He grew up Marxist, self-evowed communist.

He was technology businessman, but even his employees said that when he became rich,

he was going to spend it now on his activism.

It was a part of his identity.

And somehow I don't have the ground zero of when he meets Jody Evans,

this red haired activist who is quite charming by most people's description

of her.

But she is one of these revolutionary tourists by the time they meet.

She's created CodePink and she's traveling the world.

She's going to China.

She's going to Iran.

She's going to Gaza.

And so somewhere in these paths they meet, they fall in love.

And I brought today the itinerary from their wedding.

The first page is what to do in Jamaica.

Because that's a part of where never-woisting them grew up.

The theme was one love union.

And he goes by Roy.

So it's Jody and Roy.

Yeah, that's something a lot of people don't know right now.

And it was actually another theme.

They had little fans and they called it revolutionary love.

And so that's the theme that weekend that they were there.

And in the itinerary will are the players who would build this empire

with never-woisting them and Jody Evans, people like Vijay Prashad,

who ends up creating that year an organization called Tricontinental

that becomes the think tank.

Another guy named Ben Cohen, who is the Ben of Ben and Jerry.

And he's there at the wedding.

He becomes famous now because he's like stormed congressional hearings too for CodePink.

So CodePink is there through Medea Benjamin, this scrawny lady

who is at every protest and yelling and screaming.

It just about every send it hearing.

And Eve Ensler, I don't know if you remember her playwright who wrote vagina monologues.

So this is their crew.

My favorite is Danny Glover, who the actor.

Really?

And yeah, so he's there.

He recites something for their vows.

Well, Deets from Lonesome Dove.

Danny Glover from Lonelytha Weapon.

Did you know he was part of this whole network?

I think I did know he was a lefty.

I didn't know he was part of this network.

He's part of this network.

So that means that he is enmeshed in the Marxist communist community here.

And this guy, Vijay Prashad, he has a panel that he calls the future of the left

and it describes him in the itinerary as a Marxist intellectual.

So they're not.

What I admire actually about them is they don't hide their ideology.

The only people who hide their identities are the media that don't cover them accurately,

like this last week in Cuba.

Right.

And one of the things you write about, I think, is pretty fascinating.

At least metaphorically, not just metaphorically.

Is these people that really are advocating, and it's not just advocating, it's a full on,

I don't know, institutionalized effort to re-institute Maoism and Marxism.

Don't live the life.

Like, you put on it.

Yeah.

I mean, they live.

They live.

I mean, I'm sure Ben Cohen does as well.

Ben and Jerry.

I'm sure he's a very wealthy man.

And look, never was saying it could argue.

Look, I made $700 million.

I'm giving $300 million of it away.

But it's not like he's living like the proletariat.

Oh, yeah.

No, you're right.

In today's article, we have photos from the wedding.

We just got them yesterday.

So you guys are talking about your overnight.

I haven't slept a wink.

That's the print journalist for you.

I pulled an all-nighter so that I could get every photo into the article.

And you can see in the wedding photos, I mean, it's lavish.

It's got the beautiful garden.

They've got, you know, this catered meals.

They're going from one bar to another bar.

She's always the way they live in communism.

It's the way that Stalin lived.

It's the way that Mao lived.

It's the way that Xi lived.

It's like you advocate for a certain thing, but it doesn't apply.

It's the way Gavin Newsom lives.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's, and, you know, going back to the idea of ideology and identity, you know,

one of the biggest things that I learned as an immigrant was to learn to live with congruence in my life

between my inner values and my external behavior.

Mm-hmm.

Because a lot of times when you're an immigrant, you are, you know, raised with the old values from your origin,

the country that you come from.

And it's, there's always this gap and keep secrets from parents like every kid does, of course.

But you're just navigating values and behavior.

And that's the incongruence that they have.

And that's, that's what really struck me, honestly, will, when I started going to the protests at very beginning.

I started seeing how mean they were, how hateful they were.

And I have lived, you know, in classical liberal values most of my life growing up as a West Virginia Democrat.

And I was shocked, you know, at the way that they were creating a new hierarchy of human value,

judging Zionist, Jewish women as unacceptable entries into the women's march.

You know, just so many ways that we've struggled as a country because of their dynamic.

And, and that's the incongruence that I sensed being amongst them.

They weren't nice.

That's a really interesting, that's a really interesting observation, the incongruence, because it's,

it's instinctually obvious to all of us as well, just in normal behavior.

I'm not saying all lefties are mean. I'm not saying that.

Yeah.

But there is sometimes among the most passionate preachers of love and compassion,

a personal attitude of unhappiness, maybe even meanness.

Anger, resentment.

And you know, one thing that I did come to understand from a younger person is that there's this term.

Have you ever heard of the word tanky?

No.

So it's a slang.

And the left will use this term about folks like this, because I don't know what the metaphor is,

but a tanky is a fake leftist who is accepting authoritarian regimes.

Thank you.

So I'm going to try to like play with that, maybe even in writing,

is to maybe even differentiate this network because there are a lot of socialists and communists

who do not like them, because they do see their hypocrisy.

They take over the organizations that they claim that they want to liberate.

There's a famous example of Neville Roy Singhham going into a union in South Africa

and just basically taking it over with his money.

And the workers resented it.

And because you know why is because I think in their case,

and I think this is what's really fun, is to then get into the subculture of a subculture,

is in their case, they see their contradiction, and they don't like China's autocracy.

They do not actually believe that China is their vision of what a socialist country should be.

Yeah.

Tanky.

I'm going to use that.

I like that.

Tanky leftists.

And then it's a slur to them.

And one guy walked away from me, because I was like, well, what do you think about these guys,

the party for socialism and liberation as tankies?

Because I knew that this guy I was talking to was from the socialist equality party.

And there's a battle among these socialists on authenticity themselves.

And he's like, oh, I don't want to talk about it.

I don't want to talk bad about them.

So it definitely hit a nerve.

And he was trying to protect them and their identity.

But they are actually considered to be traders to the cause also by some of these leftists.

Yeah.

Well, Osir has got a fourth part of the fifth part tomorrow on her deep dive investigation into never

wasting them in the concentric circles of shell companies and funding that is going into the anti-American

protest.

That's the only cohesive tied to binds anti-Americanism in service of a communist vision driven

from the CCP, or as she taught it yesterday, the CPC as they refer to themselves.

Check it out at Fox News.com.

Really appreciate you being with us all week.

Osir, it's been absolutely wonderful.

It's going to be great.

Thank you, Will.

All right, there she goes.

Osir, no money.

Coming up, comedian Vince August on why he's always so anti-American on Wilking Country.

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All right.

Vince August has been pacing.

Come on, Vince.

Vince has been pacing.

I'm running behind.

It was Lawrence.

It was Larry.

Larry Jones kept me running behind talking about dogs.

What's up, Vince?

What are you wearing?

It's a hot case.

I know.

What are you going to do?

Well, I got up this morning.

I gave a talk, believe it or not, to the career center kids here at Fox.

I gave advice, man.

So I put on my suit, you know.

You're giving advice to the career center kids at Fox because we're worried about those users.

God knows how those kids are going to make it through life.

Take a, take a, take a little advice from Will.

Right.

Did you wear your Italy shirt on purpose today?

Of course I did.

They're playing.

They're kidding me.

Team plays.

I got to wear it.

Got to wear the kit.

I know you guys know about, like, maybe 10 different countries in the world.

But there's more than that.

Well, Italy would be one of the 10 we pretend to know about.

Exactly.

Right.

Because you haven't bombed them in 80 or so.

Oh, Italy is playing today in what?

It's the World Cup qualifier.

You realize that there's a huge tournament coming to the United States.

There's a couple months.

It's tournament coming.

I don't know about a tournament.

Yeah.

And it's wow.

Really.

We're going to start with that proper English.

I'm sorry.

I forgot.

You just came out of a seminar this morning.

They're playing Northern Ireland.

And it's a winner.

Yeah, because you guys have had trouble qualifying for the World Cup.

They have.

It's been a shame for a couple of cycles now.

Yeah.

I don't know how we became better at baseball than soccer go figure.

Because the baseball team was full of Americans.

You know, you guys.

It was.

No.

And you need to get off of that.

You need to get off of it.

Because you know what?

You can say that they're full of Americans.

But the Americans didn't want those players.

They have ties to another country.

They didn't make.

The Americans didn't want them.

They didn't make the American team.

They didn't want them.

They didn't want them.

They took what they thought were the high profile guys as they always do.

And look at what happened.

And then you build a team of people that want to play for the name on the front.

And that's what happens.

You learn how to win.

We Vince August, by the way, comedian here is with us on Wilking Country.

Vince is a friend of the program.

Been here a lot.

You know how I feel about this stuff.

This dual loyalty stuff.

Is that the loyalty?

Is that the loyalty?

Is that the loyalty?

What is it?

I'm loyal to the country that my father came from and the heritage that I was raised with.

Oh, it's not dual.

You're saying it's Italy over the US.

I am an Italian American.

Yes.

Thanks.

What are you doing?

Like you are a...

Is it trying to piss me off?

Like you are a...

What are you doing here?

You are a Texan American.

Maybe now you're talking my language.

Exactly.

We did this before and I forgot how mad it makes me.

Yeah.

It really does upset you.

You need to get over it.

You're going to root for Italy over America.

Yes.

You are not an assimilated American.

That's the front.

No, I'm completely assimilated.

Do you have any deep naturalization papers?

In soccer?

Call Tom Homan, please.

In soccer, 100%.

I will always root for you times.

I have to tell you, for the world baseball classic, I did immediately.

I had the jersey before the tournament started because I loved what they put together as a team

and I'm like, this is going to be fun.

And everyone thought that the American team was in a win.

And I'm like, you know what?

This is going to be a fun thing if somehow the Italians can manage to pull off a couple wins

and it turned it into this great Cinderella story.

And everyone got caught up in it except for the people like you that wanted to hate on it

and just find a way to tear it down.

And the only thing you had is they were born here.

They're Americans.

They're born here.

They're Americans.

What is wrong with Italy?

We're going to talk about a couple of other things here today, but you've got me going here.

Yeah.

What is wrong with Italy?

In terms of what?

I was just there a month ago.

Soccer.

Oh, no.

This is a sport.

I'll tell you what's wrong with it.

Yeah.

This is a sport.

You know it's a sport that I love actually.

Yeah.

And I would say if you were saying who are the best countries in the world at soccer

and you made a top five list, maybe Italy doesn't make top five, but it's right there.

It should be in our minds, right?

It should be.

It's England, Spain.

It's Germany.

It's Argentina.

It's Brazil.

And so there's your five, maybe top ones.

And then it's like the Netherlands and Italy, you know, I forgot France.

France is definitely a top five.

I got it out.

But Italy should be in this conversation.

Then you are not.

No, and I'm going to tell you why.

Because the last time they won a World Cup or actually played in a World Cup was 2006.

So that's how many generations, that's two generations of kids that grew up didn't

seeing this team compete on a high level.

One.

Two.

Social media and the world changes where young kids and listen, a time families are getting

smaller.

You have one maybe getting into it now.

I'm going to be interested in this.

Keep going.

Yeah.

One or two kids born to a family and you know what the priority isn't necessarily sports.

It's not athletics.

And what also happened is you have this young Italian tennis player, a couple of great young

Italian tennis players that took the world by storm with Yannick Sinner.

Musselli's playing very good.

So what happens is they gravitate towards other things.

And because the team was in prominent, they gravitated towards other things.

Like what happened here in America, look what happened baseball.

The Americans are on playing baseball anymore the way they used to.

Right.

They're gravitating towards what?

You're seeing more football, more hockey.

So I think that's what it is.

I got something else.

It's an immigration story.

Yeah.

So there's a lot going on.

So I'm obviously very big on immigration.

So let's first talk about what's right about Italian soccer.

So and everybody listening, trust me, if you're not into soccer, this isn't fascinating immigration

stories as well.

Yeah.

Italian soccer has a distinct style and it's a culture.

It's a style of play and a culture.

It's counter-attack.

It's defensive.

Yeah.

It's Katanaccio's the Italian aim for it.

And Italian soccer is revered by the way.

Yeah.

Like in the world of soccer, the way the Italian soccer teams play, the soccer Serie A,

the way they play, among my soccer friends, it's like you should watch that because that's

how soccer should look, right?

Yeah.

Now Spain's tiki-taka past the ball around possession has taken over.

A lot more goalscoring.

Sure.

Has taken over.

And to their credit, Spain has their own style, which derived from the Netherlands actually.

Which is very successful.

It's Johan Croix.

Yeah.

Total football.

But what's happened is an immigration story.

Countries like, not Spain, but France and Germany until lesser extent, England have huge

refugee populations, huge immigration population.

Yes.

And if you look at the soccer teams of those teams, like the entirety, I think, almost

of the French soccer team is black.

They're Africans, right?

Yeah.

And they are from migrants.

French colonies.

Yeah.

Well, either them or their parents, probably.

Yeah.

Maybe they're grandparents.

Like the Italian baseball team and a world-based football.

Same thing.

Same thing.

Yeah.

And Germany is a little different in that it's like Turkey and that it's not Africa.

It's more coming from the near Middle East area.

What's that without?

So you'll have the, okay, Gondolans and these kind of players.

And it's raised the level.

Because they're great soccer players.

No question.

So it's raised level of France.

It's raised the level of Germany.

England's its own story because everybody treats England like the Dallas Cowboys.

Yeah.

Like you should be good.

You think you're good, but you're actually not as good.

And then Italy, the population has been decreasing.

And in Italy, your native population has been decreasing.

And you haven't had the same kind of huge migration.

You have had some, but you haven't had the same kind that has happened in France.

100% German.

Yeah.

So you've got a declining population with a distinct decline in identity, which is the

declining birth, right?

Right.

And not a replacement population.

Now, this is...

And the sport isn't because it hasn't been successful.

It's not going to be popular because you're not watching a winning team.

But then the argument would be, and it's not unlike an economic argument when it comes

to like companies and like, we need to bring the best of the best of America to America

to be, you know, CEOs from India or wherever they are, right?

Right.

Great.

You are helping the economy.

Right, great.

You are helping the French soccer team, but at some point, you are also losing what

it means to be an Italian soccer player, the Italian style, the Italian cohesive style

of play.

So you're retaining that, you're going down, you're not getting better.

It's a yin and yang, man.

This is...

I think it's like in a microcosm, it is the great immigration story.

But it's weird even having gone to Italy just recently, and seeing the passion in the

fan isn't also what it used to be, which is kind of weird, because here I am, I live

for these games and these days.

You know, today is all about this game and what's going to happen in the outcome of this

day.

From the moment I wake up.

I mean, you guys, historically, it's wild that you have to eat Northern Ireland.

Like, yeah.

Come on.

Italy, of course, you're going to eat Northern Ireland.

And I don't feel that excitement as much even with my relatives and Italy that I talk

to about it.

They're like, hey, look, they win, they win, if they don't, you know, whatever, we'll

be fine.

Really?

Yeah, that's sad.

Yeah, so you've seen, you know, and again, it's anecdotal to my family and the people

I've seen.

You know, I'm not there 24-7 living in the country to tell you that it's like that

for everything.

One thing I have seen is a shift since Georgia Maloney has taken over as prime minister.

You're seeing a lot more nationalistic pride.

That's good.

So she has, oh, yeah, she has definitely moved the needle where there's been a lot more

of that nationalism coming back where people, yeah, let's, let's, what's happening across

Europe to some extent in all the nations today.

I believe just seeing this before I came on Parliament of the EU, they're all voting to

significantly reduce migration and deportation.

But it's not even that.

One of the things that she wanted to do, like when you go into a restaurant, you know,

menus, everything is translated into English and she's like, hey, listen, you know what?

No, this is our food, this is our culture, the menus are going to be in Italian.

We're going to have everything go back to being in Italian because that's what our national

language is.

Can you imagine that in America, that kind of conversation?

Right.

And there the Italians are like, yeah, why are we trying to assimilate to a culture

and society that's not ours?

Let's, let's go back to our roots.

Right.

So they are embracing it.

Where are you from in Italy, your family?

My family, my, my parents migrated from Palermo Sicily.

Okay.

Yeah.

The one other thing I like to wind up the soccer conversation about Italian soccer is that

and this is true for every league, but I feel like it's been watered down and been lost.

The least so in Italian soccer is you have political affiliations and you have all these

like meanings of teams.

Like if you're a fan of this team, it kind of means this about you.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Let's see if I can remember.

Is it Lazio?

Lazio is the fascist party of Italy.

Well, I mean, like, that's what the ties were to historically, yeah, historically.

So yeah.

So if you grew up and you were a fan of Lazio, it definitely tied you to a political

leading and a political leader in Russia, right?

Lazio, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're an outskirts of Rome.

And it most certainly was more along that Mussolini kind of black hand, very conservative,

old, you know, regime, it's since changed, but yeah, at one time, that's exactly what

it was.

Is that the only one?

Like if you were a fan of that.

They were, they were something else.

They were probably the most prominent one that you could tie to like Inter Milan and AC

Milan to that.

No, no.

That was just you have a huge city like New York.

You have the Metzini Yankees and you had to divide up the city.

Yeah.

Okay.

You know, you have that in Torino too.

You have UVA.

You have Torino.

Yeah.

Okay.

So, I don't know if you heard my conversation with Azerna Moni, but she said something

I thought, I'm going to ask Vince about this.

So she was talking about incongruence and the incongruence of some of the people on the

far left in terms of the way they project and the way they behave, you know, that there's

an incongruence in the meanness versus the preaching of compassion is that it just occurred

when I was listening to her.

I actually think this is one of the most attractive things about Donald Trump to people.

Total congruence.

Like, yeah, I'm rich, I'm wealthy, I'm successful.

Look at the gold walls, bragging and success like that historically would have been frowned

upon, right?

You would have been incongruently trying to feign humility, trying to feign humbleness.

And he didn't and I think that tied to his belief, the sense of authenticity about him

is that he is so congruent.

Whether it's attractive or not, it's what he is.

So whether you like it or not, I don't think it's a surprise anymore.

So like, you know, when someone passes away that you look and you're like, I mean, come

on, man, really, you're saying you're glad that the guy's dead.

It's not Mueller.

Right.

And it's one of those things that no one's surprised by it anymore because, you know what,

you're going to get what you get with them.

Nothing of what he says is going to surprise you or throw you.

There is with other politicians, you're not sure of whether or not they have the courage

of their convictions.

And they mean what they're saying or they're just, it's political.

And this is, this is what the side I am on.

So this is what I'm going to say, whereas what Donald Trump now, he's going to say what

he says.

And you may not like it.

You know, I knew, listen, you can say it's BS, it's this, it's that, it's rude, but that's

what he's thinking.

Yeah.

Like, you know, you're getting what he's thinking, which maybe we shouldn't get all the

time.

But you're not questioning whether or not he believes it.

All right.

Vince August is a comedian.

He's former judge as well, comedian and judge and follow him on X and YouTube at Vince

August 21.

We want to talk about comedy for a minute.

Um, I don't know if you will to hear this.

You've probably already seen it.

Do you see this Jimmy Kimmel?

Last night about Mark Wayne Mullin, the new secretary of DHS.

No, I don't watch it.

I love him.

You haven't seen this?

No, no.

Go ahead.

I want you to play it.

I'm going to, I think I can turn it up super loud right here for him to hear it.

Yeah.

On on Mark Wayne Mullin, okay.

He is the now former senator of Oklahoma.

Before he was elected to the Senate, Mark Wayne Mullin was a low level MMA fighter and

a plumber.

That's right.

We have a plumber protecting us from terrorism now.

All right.

Work for Super Mario.

Why not, Mark Wayne?

It's, but honestly, all right.

Go ahead.

All right.

Go ahead.

If for, for a joke purpose, it's, it's a joke.

I don't care.

I don't critique comedy that way.

You know, people are going to laugh at it.

They're not going to laugh at it.

The problem with, with Kimmel right now and the problem with people like Colbert when

they tell these jokes is, is it a joke?

Right.

I think that's the problem.

You know, it used to be where all of that stuff is strict satire.

Look, it's a joke.

You either like it.

You don't, you laugh.

You don't laugh.

Okay.

First of all, I didn't like it because it is so elitist.

It is so elitist like you're a plumber.

First of all, Mark Wayne Mullin dropped out of college when his dad died who had a small

plumbing business at HVAC company.

He took over it, grew it into, I think, several hundred employees, several million dollar

company.

So okay, he's not just a plumber, but even if you were a plumber, this is, that's

what struck me is the leadism.

But you're, you're act, you can address that, but you, you're, you're hitting on something

I think it's even better.

It's like, that's not meant to be a joke.

That's the thing.

You know, so listen, and we've heard this with AOC, she's just a bartender from the other

side.

And I don't get caught up in that because, you know, if we're going to start dissecting

where people came from and it, it turns into that shut up and dribble thing.

And I'm like, no, listen, everyone should have their say and, and just know when you

have your say, you're going to be put on a side or whatever.

The problem with the talk show is different.

So when, when someone on this channel says something about, oh, AOC being a bartender,

whatever.

All right, that's a news commentary piece.

These shows were historically comedy shows.

They're historically entertainment.

And we know what shifted since then.

We know that his perspective isn't always about making the joke, which is why maybe

his show is preempted when it was because, you know what, no one is thinking of it as

a joke anymore.

Yeah.

So that's, I think the problem that he's run himself into is when you become this quote

unquote activist and all you talk about is this, that's not a style of comedy anymore.

That's just your thoughts.

So okay.

I'm going to play one more day into that sound work.

Okay.

When we play that.

Okay.

Let's play Vince Vaughn because he's kind of saying Vince Vaughn is on Theo Vaughn's podcast.

Theo Vaughn, Theo In, Vince Vaughn, V-A-U-G-H-N, I thought there's another A in there.

I don't know why I felt that he dispel those two last names.

It sounds the same.

Vince Vaughn and Theo Vaughn are talking about exactly what you're describing.

Listen.

But yeah, because people want authenticity.

Yeah.

And I think that I think that the talk shows to a large part became really agenda based.

Yeah.

They were going to evangelical people to what they thought, you know what I mean?

And so people just rejected it because it didn't feel authentic.

It felt like they had an agenda.

It's not being funny and it started feeling like I was in a class I didn't want to take.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's what you're saying.

Right.

Well, the other thing about comedy is this, it shouldn't, and listen, everyone has their

own style.

And I'm not here to critique style, but comedy is just finding the funny.

It's not, I'm going to find the funny only here.

Okay.

Like you should find humor in everything.

And you know, part of my act is I'm making fun of everybody, you know, I'm going to make

fun of Trump.

I'm going to make fun of Biden because to me, comedy is about making fun of all things

that you see.

You find something.

I'm going to make a joke about it.

I think when you refuse to make jokes about a topic and you're saying, no, I'm not going

to make fun of this.

And that this is agenda driven.

I think that's when we can all admit it's not comedy anymore.

And it feels like it's the problem is order of operation.

It feels like the joke writers, whether or not Kim will wrote that himself, probably

not, right?

Win in.

And the first order of operation was make fun of Mark Wayne Mullin, right?

And the second order was how?

What's funny, right?

Not, oh, it's funny.

Check this out.

And this happens to be who it's about again, it's turn on, you know, whatever news source

you want, turn on X, all right guys, we need jokes today.

What's trending?

Wow.

I have this story about these seven dogs that found their way home in China, which, you

know, is really hard because when dogs are in the street, that's food too.

So we should do a joke about that, you know, you could do something like that or, you

know, you could do a joke.

Hey, look, you know, they're shutting down the straight of her moves, her move.

And you know what's funny about it?

It's not actually straight.

It's a curve.

But and I ran everything straight because nothing's gay.

I like that one.

So you know, you could do joke.

So those are, you know, look, find jokes and everything going on as opposed to, yeah,

no, no, what do we have going on on the right?

Yeah.

I just, I just want to target that.

Yeah.

So again, that's the different approach.

My approach is I'm just going to find everything.

And this is trending.

Let me find a humor in it.

And also my brain isn't wired to think everything should be a political joke.

It's just fine.

The funny.

So even like my joke about the straight of her move, I'm, I didn't mention, I ran,

I didn't mention US, I didn't mention a war.

It's about just the culture and look, now, man, yeah, we're going to straight.

Even if it looks crooked because, yeah, we don't, we don't do gay here.

Yeah.

So.

So again, it's approach, I'm not saying mine is the right way.

Every which way is their own way of doing comedy.

But I think we, the curtain's been pulled back and we all know.

We all know what it is.

Yeah.

And it's so fascinating in that market forces seem to have no impact.

Meaning, well, gut felt show is beating them.

Right.

But even Greg, look, what is Greg going to target?

He's going to target the left.

He's going to target the left.

But I'm also watching Fox news.

Yeah.

I'm expecting it.

Yeah.

You know, because that's what this is.

Greg, I watched the lead show on, you know, a national network.

I don't necessarily think or believe I should be watching something that's targeted.

Does that make sense?

Well, Greg is capable.

What I mean by that is by no metrics, she cable really ever beat broadcast.

It's like broadcast has a bigger reach.

You should get more people.

Greg is beating them.

That's quite a thing to be doing.

It's quite a thing to get more on cable than you do on broadcast.

So if you're an executive or somebody interested in business and success, you'd look at that

and go, oh my gosh, take a look at this.

Second, they're all to the extent, because even I believe Fallon has done it at this point

decided to go in the same direction you're describing.

Like, they're all fighting over one audience.

And I guess pretending that that audience is mainstream, which it has been historically

I guess you would say entertainment mainstream has been at least a little bit on the left.

Historically, I think it's fascinating that no one even allows market forces to correct

this thing.

Well, I listen, the one thing that we don't know is what is happening in the room that

Fallon is sitting in in terms of who's making the decision because Jimmy is one of those

guys that I look at and I'm talking about Fallon.

It's so outside of his wheelhouse that it doesn't seem like that's even something he

would want to do.

It doesn't.

You're right.

And the difference between Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel and Colbert remember those two want

to.

Well, it's not only that.

Remember, it's the tonight show with Jimmy Fallon.

It's not his show.

The tonight shows run from what I understand by Lauren as part of that network.

He's just a host sitting in the chair, whereas Kimmel and Colbert it's their show.

So I'm curious to find out and people can check if that's actually accurate.

That's my understanding of it.

I don't know that that's Jimmy Fallon's first choice.

So who's that coming from?

Where's that coming from?

Is it coming from an executive if it's coming from the writers room or is it Jimmy Fallon's

first choice?

Well, Colbert is done, right?

Isn't it?

Yeah.

And when Colbert Dan is not right.

In May.

Yeah.

It will be no late show after him.

He didn't start the late show.

No.

But Letterman did.

Did they have one?

So that was it was Letterman's.

Yeah.

A late show with Letterman.

But it started with Letterman.

Yeah, it started with Letterman.

They didn't have a late show.

I don't know.

Craig Ferguson.

Yeah, it was Ferguson.

It was yeah, it was a different one.

Yeah, Ferguson was the one after.

But yeah, they.

So my point is they're canceling the show, not just Colbert, right?

They're going to do something different, whatever it may be.

Whatever it is.

Who knows?

And ABC definitely did not have one.

Right.

They.

Kimmel is the guy.

It created that for Kimmel.