Lindsay Clancy: Why One Couple Couldn't Survive Disagreeing About Her Trial

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3:26Aren't you glad we came to a conclusion where the whole country gets together and goes, we all see it the same way. The Lindsey Clancy case. Oh wait, that didn't happen. The trial ended obviously without a verdict online. Everybody seems completely certain though in their point of view. Not only about Lindsey Clancy, but anyone who sees the case differently than themselves. A man online claims he called off his $200,000 wedding after his fiance told him that as a man, he could never fully understand post-partamental illness. His takeaway was that he had almost married a monster, whether that's real or not is up for debate. But this is happening. Relationships are fracturing. People are at each other based on their opinions on this case. Maybe that story is real. Maybe it's a social media theater. Either way, the reaction is real. We've reached a point where disagreeing about this case apparently tells people everything they

4:28need to know about your morality, your marriage, and whether you're safe to be around. We're going to be getting into that today on this program because we need to. Chavon Scott is with a psychotherapist and author as well as Robin Drake, retired FBI Special Agent and Chief of the Counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis Program. Chavon, what is it about the Lindsey Clancy case that makes people need such a clean, absolute answer here? I mean, the deaths were horrific. The mental health evidence was complicated. Even the jury couldn't agree. What does that uncertainty? Why does that uncertainty make people so angry at one another? Isn't it weird? I just had to stay off social media. Well, I do try to monitor the buzz on social media. But I get so frustrated. I just have to log off because of the viciousness and this emotional intensity. My term of the day is moralization as

5:33identity fusion. Yeah. And this is where people have bought into a story, whichever, and they're making it two sides. And it's all about their moral identity. And so when they see somebody that has a different point of view, it's not that we just, you know, maybe can discuss this and come to a conclusion and maybe we'll agree to disagree. It's like my identity is tied up in this position I've taken. And you're evil. You know, I'm the crusader for righteousness. It's all about righteousness. And it's volatile. And I mean, I even caught on, I saw it on Instagram. I don't know if it was on Tick-Tack or not. But somebody yesterday, I believe, who had obviously a cloned voice of Patrick's father. I mean, you can do AI cloning now with anybody's voice and make them say anything. And the quality was really bad. And they had no good explanation for how they got this

6:36saying that Patrick had done it. And fortunately, there was, was some pushback on that. I had to comment on that and say, do you know anything about voice cloning and how easy this is to do? And of course not. Yeah, of course not. But you have to wonder, what is this crusade, this moral crusade with these two sides? It's, you know, I thought we had seen as bad as it could get around politics in recent years, right? I think this has even more intensity than the political debate on social media. It does. And I want to talk about that with Patrick a bit. Patrick's attorney has released a statement basically saying, we're going to go after you if you're saying that he did this. And that's in a nutshell. And I've been saying good for weeks. I think we were probably the first show that came out with an attorney on the air and said, how should Patrick start suing people? And like I fully, because it's insane, it's utterly insane. We've purposely made headlines on

7:36this show about people's curiosity and Patrick so they can, oh, maybe Patrick did do something. Then they watch it and oh, sorry, blew that out of the water for you. It's true. And I think that's good because it gets people to hear what reality actually is. But why is that with Patrick? People, people like taking fake audio and sharing it as if it's fact, taking conjecture about his life that isn't even based on reality or fact. And we got a whole segment of Patrick will get you. So I don't want to go too far down there. But it just seems it's nuts. People are, it's the celebrity. I'm disconnected from you enough, even the Patrick's not a celebrity. But he's a public figure now because of this case. It's, is it their, their disconnected from this being a human being? So we can say whatever the hell we want online with no repercussion and it doesn't matter. It doesn't affect anybody. People often forget Patrick's sitting there with a device too. And he's reading the shit people are saying about him. And he has compassion and he has a soul.

8:40And he lost his three children. And people are like, you killed them. I mean, there, there's this disconnect that we as humans somehow readily have where it seems a switch flips. And we decide who's human and who's not very much, very much the dehumanization process. And I still see, I keep hoping it's going to die down, but it doesn't die down. It's, it's this gender war where, you know, there are women who are so angry at men because of their own baggage that Patrick is a representation of every man who did them wrong, every man who was manipulative. And I think it's the same thing for men with every conniving woman that they've ever known and all these issues they have with women. And they take that emotional energy, it's their own baggage, but they take that, they project it out. And, and they're not looking at, at the humanity, you know, Patrick is not a human being. Lindsay is not a human being. And it's, they become these, these figures that people just hate. And,

9:46and then anybody that's, that's trying to say, but let's consider this. Let's look at them as people. Well, you're the enemy too. And then you get the hate. I got one more follow up. Robin, I know I'm stepping up. I know you always have great questions, but I got to, I'm kind of, I'm doing follow ups here because I get some good stuff going on here. Um, okay, the baggage. And, and I get that, I get how people will project their, their shit out there. And then it's, it's more of a reflection on themselves. And I get that on cases where like the person actually deserves it, where the person is a representation of all those shitty people in your life. Corey Richards was a great one. A lot of my own baggage came out in that case where I was just like, oh, but it was, it was earned. She was a great representation of a menacing, conniving borderline sociopath. And I happen to have had some of those in my life. And, and a lot of us have. And so, I get it where it's deserved. And the dots connect. Patrick, where are they connected?

10:46Where are they been connecting these dots? I mean, that's like, it just like slight, slight things that he may have, he went out for a time with his, his friends to, to take a break from life with Lindsay. He, he, he went on a business. It's like just normal everyday shit that people actually do. People are like going, ah, see? What's going on with the projection here? It doesn't land with Patrick. I think that's what's getting me about people projecting their shit on the Patrick. Is it doesn't land? Cause Patrick's not that villain. Yeah, it shows you how irrational the thinking is and all the confirmation bias is like once they've taken a side in social media and you know, you get hundreds and hundreds of people validating your side, you buy into this story. Patrick is evil and or Lindsay is evil, whichever direction they're going. And then the facts absolutely don't matter. And everything they see confirms, you know, they, because they can twist

11:48it into something completely bizarre. But everybody chimes in and says, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. And look at this and look at that. And it's all confirmation bias, which is a terrible cognitive trap to fall into because then you can, then you can take anything, anything ambiguous and turn it into more proof, you know, and then you've got that moral crusader thing going and anybody who tries to say, but that doesn't make sense. Here's another point of view. Well, you're evil too, you know. So we've had so much confirmation bias in a lot of the cases we cover because, you know, people typically will lock on to that theory at the very beginning at the onset and they hold onto it all their might, everything they're going to take in confirms what they already suspected or what they believe and now know a lot of it moralizing obviously from the very get go. And they throw all critical thinking completely out the window and we use that term so much on our show of critical thinking, critical thinking, which requires a lot of curiosity. We've seen it more in this case

12:54than we've seen it any other case before more than we've seen it. Politically, I totally agree. This is this, this to me overshadows any battle between Democrats, Republican's I've ever seen just because it's so, it's so much more vitriol and it's so less based on facts a lot of times. And it's not just facts themselves because people have been saying, well, I just, I just work with the facts. You might be looking at facts, but your interpretation of them is now being shifted and manipulated to for your own confirmation bias, both your assessment before, your assessment now of it and your projection of in the future. So with this emotional hijacking that everyone's going through, the most profound thing to me right now is how are we functioning as a society with a bunch of morons that are that because no one's thinking so shivon. I mean, so when the prefrontal cortex gets loaded and and and and dreadlings flowing and all the hormones are going and you get into stupid brain at this level, what brings it back if anything? I mean, so I like, I just think of all,

14:01all these amazing people that brought us to where we are in society of where we are today, the technology we have, the gadgets we have. I'm thinking to myself, who the hell was able to make these things? Because a lot of the people that we're seeing online, I can't imagine these people can work themselves out of a paper bag. They're so wrapped up in their own crap. So have they always been this way and they were able to hide it? Was this an emotional hijacking moment where they are going to crazy brain and will it come back down again? I mean, so how's this going to play out in the future or are they just now completely locked into Nutterville? I would love to have the answer to that because before I've I in the initial, you know, when we first started to see this rolling online, I would really pop in and try to say, but that doesn't make sense because. And quickly, yeah, quickly gave up for the most part. But how to help this die down? I mean, I was really hoping when the trial was finished, we'd start to see it diminish and it's just not

15:03diminishing. It's just sort of like this rolling kind of momentum going. I did have, I'm just kind of pleased. I did have a thoughtful person who's normally very thoughtful on my Facebook friends list and we do have admiration for each other. And he did obviously had not followed the case, but had a very strong opinion that he posted the other day and said, Lindsay Clancy should fry for what she did. And I thought, okay, because I know this person. And my approach was to say, you know, heart disease happens to any of us. A brain disease can happen to any of us. I know a little bit about this because brain diseases have happened to people I love in my family. And and there, but for the grace of God, it could be us. And that stopped him. And he wrote back, posted back and said, you know what? I know you know more about this than I do. So I defer to you.

16:06Nobody does that anymore. Nobody does that. Yeah. And I'll give a lot of credit to my wife. I said it last week, I think, or a week before. You know, she gave me this great thought experiment. We were talking about this case. And you know, one of the fiery comments we had from someone or I was getting blasted on something because I said Patrick, you know, was doing right by Lindsay by the things he was saying. Even though he's not like standing side by side with her, he's actually telling the facts and details that they like in his paraphrasing on words, it was all going great until she got sick. And so that's a very good accurate phraseology. Not for and against is she got sick. It's not who she was. And my wife said, and this is a good thought experiment for people that don't get it that thinks she should fry. If and again, there's an if if and door statement going on in here. And that is, if you actually are in a good solid relationship with a spouse or partner and you've been there for a while, say, 10 years and you have children together and it's a good, healthy relationship. And you enjoy your

17:07children, enjoy your wife. Everyone is copacetic and you get along with your in-laws in your own parents. It's a good study family. If the most horrendous thing in the world happens and that partner of yours winds up killing your kids, is your first thought that you have because you knew this person for so long, so close, good health. It really is your first thought that you have, they should fry or who the hell was that? They weren't in their right mind. Something went horribly wrong. My wife said that to me. She said, if the God forbid anything like that happened and you did this, I'd say something went seriously wrong with you. We got to get you checked out. The devastation aside, all that, the tragedy of it all, but she knows that is not me. Something was tragically wrong. For those people projecting, fry, pure evil, just besides looking all the amazing psychology, everyone says that they're all over the place. I thought the psychologist and

18:09psychiatrist on this were actually pretty good. The ones after, after tuffs. That is, all of them said she was sick. The degree of it, bipolar one or two varied psychotic break or not psychotic break, but all of them said she was severely depressed. All of them said she had severe insomnia. Everyone said that the medications were weren't working. All of them said that she was not maliguring, that she was under reporting rather than overreporting. All of them were saying this. All of them were saying that was she was sick. I still don't get the, I still don't get the the problem. Is it reflection of, and I've noticed this, I would say over the last 20 years, pretty well. We used to be a society that did somewhat put weight on expert opinion. When we had a question, we would go to an expert to get information, to get answers, to find direction for

19:10whatever, maybe ailing us or whatever question we want to have answered. Since the world of social media, it feels like the weight of the expert opinion or the educated opinion, I guess you could say, I think educated maybe a better word than expert educated. Someone would experience and reps in a certain area that that has gone down because suddenly it's just as easy to pick up what Uncle Phil thinks, or your cousin, you know, Patula in Paduca, what she thinks. And then somehow that opinion our brains are registering to have just as much weight as as maybe an expert in that field. Someone, someone who knows postpartum depression, psychosis and medicine and everything that goes along with it. Is this a real problem of our brains not being able to decipher the difference between opinion that is just that opinion from anybody, whatever it can mean, it can say anything, it doesn't

20:13necessarily hold weight versus reps versus I know what I'm talking about. Here's where this comes from. We used to base our opinions over here on people who have reps. Let's been taken out of the equation. Now it's just we base our opinions on wherever the wind blows and whoever picked up whatever tweet or whatever algorithm fed our way that morning. That seems to be where I think a lot of the root of this is coming from is the lack of understanding and taking into account facts and data that actually matter. Now just Patula's opinion and to the point that we're talking about, you know, being on here saying, I can't listen to this. That's exactly why you don't get it because you used open your mind. And she killed three kids. Yeah, she killed three kids. She should be locked up. What we're no one here, no one on the side of standing with the mental health crisis that she was in is saying she should be free. No one. So this is where you got to open your mouth. I mean,

21:15close your mouth, open those ears and learn a little bit more about what other people are saying about this that you had something severely mentally wrong going on here. She should be locked up. Maybe forever. That's not for me to size for the legal system and get and stay in Tukesbury where she's been for the last three plus years. So everyone's acknowledging all these things. It's just saying it's like what got us here. So it doesn't get repeated again and again and again because nothing has changed since Andreate's I looked at that case. I looked at the baseline of parental philosophie change since that case. No, it has not. So unfortunately, I think we're going to be repeating it because I can't listen to this. Three kids died. You should burn. Well, go call back on your rock. And there was a comment that's exactly what we're talking about. I saw a few minutes ago that men have hormones too, but a man would never get away with this by blaming hormones. Nobody is blaming hormones. We're blaming bipolar disorder and psychosis. Hormones could have been

22:19a trigger for a deterioration in functioning, but we're talking about severe mental illness, not PMS. But again, somebody's got to buy us and they're interpreting it despite all the evidence about what the experts have said about what was really going on mentally for a person in psychosis. I mean, yeah, I mean, it's, it's also just come down shivana at the end of the day. Some people just aren't equipped for complex thought. Right. I mean, it's not to say that somebody who I disagree with on this is a bad person. I'm not saying that. But some people that's not how the brain works. It's not how they were. It's not the DNA they have. They didn't have, it's not how it fires. Is that just the flat out reality that we live in a society with a lot of people that think very differently? And some are further capable of complex thought and taking

23:24all of these things in, processing it and coming out with a conclusion. And some are just overwhelmed by all this information. They can't process it in any sort of conducive way that's going to produce a clear thought. So it just becomes scary and overloading and she needs to burn. Yeah. Yeah. I think there is that tendency to go for a simple story because certainty, I know what it is. And I understand it when in fact, they don't they didn't watch the trial. They don't understand the experts. They they have no clue. But certainty is emotionally comforting, even when it's not intellectually justified. And I think we're seeing a lot of that. They just like a simple story because it's a very clear black and white saying. And then the other piece of that is if we acknowledge mental illness can happen. And someone who's essentially a good normal person can do something terrible. That means that that could be any of us. And and people don't want to think that way.

24:28They want to think that they're in control of their brain. That's a human tendency, right? We all want to think we're in control of ourselves and our behavior. But unfortunately, there are exceptions to that. And it's not a simple story. This is the most unsimple story you could pause we have because you have to do so many things at the same time. I can't do it. And I in complete honesty, I I struggle with this case because I can hold in one hand the horrendous murder over three children like everyone, all the people that are anti-Linsey and here have been saying 100% I'm not pro-Linsey. I am pro-mental health in this and that there was a psychotic break or and which Dr. Halbrin also said on there because he had two theories that this was not her that at anyone knew in her life. So something had to severely happen to deviate from her life pattern as testified by everyone in her life, both from the prostitution defense. And that was it was either postpartum psychosis and a psychotic break that happened that occurred which includes the people that obviously haven't fallen anything. The planning that went into this. But also it could be that severe

25:30depression, s ideation and altruistic philosophide which could lead to exactly the same outcome as well as it can also be not guilty by reason Sandy or not criminally couple bull for those actions. So both can be the same. So you have the one side there and then I have the other side of me says, well if this happened in any of a lot of other states, states that actually have the defense but is actually the burden is actually on the defense to prove that she's insane rather than the prostitution having to prove it lives in this case or she's in one of the four states that actually doesn't even have this defense. And so there this way wouldn't be having this discussion. So that's the complicated part because having to hold these two truths that it wasn't her but at the same time she killed them. That's the hard part. And so that's why we're having this discussion because everyone is still sane at the end of the day locked up but in psychiatric treatment where we can learn from it she can maybe get better but I'm more about the learning from this so we don't repeat the pattern that keeps happening again and again and again. Yeah. Sorry. And I think that is what

26:34for whatever reason is missed on so many people thinking about this. It's you don't care about the kids. Yeah. And that's that's the weird part about this. People here here compassion for Lindsay and immediately decide some people do immediately decide that means you don't care and then they name the children. This is how every post works. What about Cardenas and Callan? Yeah. Yeah. We that's that's already implied because that's the topic. Like I'm not I'm not going to keep bringing their names up over and over and over. It doesn't further the discussion about the mental health crisis that the mom was in. All that does is evoke emotion and does not make us actually focus on the problem that occurred here. But it's not a fair comparison when people hear compassion for Lindsay and think that you don't care for the kids but it's like it's black and white for so many. And you can actually not have compassion for Lindsay. I think that's

27:38fine. If you don't have compassion for Lindsay, then why don't you keep holding on to let's fix this shit. Well, how did compassion become a limited resource here? Right. As though acknowledging mental illness somehow takes something away from the children. Exactly. It's not a finite pie. You know, it's not like well, if you if you give a piece away here that there's just nothing left and understanding the reason for something is not the same as excusing what happened. No. You know, and you can hold both truths at the same time that she did something terrible. And we still have compassion for the children. And at least come to an intellectual understanding of why she did it. And what does this mean? And how do we move forward in the future? So we can have compassion for everyone who has a mental health condition. And that's really the healthy way to go here. Not this rage punishment, creating monsters, creating teams, which citer you on,

28:40and then you hate everybody who doesn't agree with you. It's it's very disturbing to see that that yes, the complexity of the case, it just goes right over people's heads and they have the confirmation bias going and they see themselves as moral crusaders. It's disturbing. So how does someone like that that is on that maker? You know, she should burn no compassion and all that. If you ask the question because everything the brain starts opening up with that one question I haven't been a little asked this one yet, but for those people that are raging in the comments, what do you want to happen from here? Do you want this to ever happen again? And if you don't want to so that's the question, do you ever want this to happen again? No? Then what's the best way to not let this happen again? Is it to let her burn and not learn from it or is it do something so you can learn from it? Again, you don't have to have empathy or compassion for Lindsay or anyone else at all on this if you don't want to and focus on the children. If you don't want this to happen to children again, what's the

29:42best idea and things you can do right now that everyone can do to not let this happen again? That's it. Well, I think it comes in the same way of thinking where people are thinking it's going to happen regardless. No matter what, you know, we can put barriers in place, we can be more aware, but there's still going to be people to get through. Yeah, there are. This will happen again. There will be more people, but it's it's it's the same group who also refuses to do anything preventative to put the speed bumps in place. So people aren't running people over in the Kmart parking lot. It's like, well, you know, well, people still speed through there and bottom out their car on the speed bumps. Yes, they will. But you know what? There's going to be far fewer of them because they're going to go a little bit slower next time because they know those speed bumps are there. Same thing here. If you can lower the percentage of the people that are going to have to go through this because we're trying to raise awareness for this so people can make better choices and assist people in a more effective way down the road. Those speed bumps that extra awareness

30:44will save lives. Will it save everybody's? No, but to throw the baby out with a bath water and say, screw it, it's going to happen no matter what is about the most ignorant thing anyone could say after observing this trial. Yeah. And there's my soap box. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. I think one of the things that I am sure is going to come out of this is that mental health clinicians are going to be paying closer attention, right? Because nobody wants to be the therapist that didn't catch this. And I think not to say that the therapist were so negligent that they didn't catch anything. You know, they were trying, but they weren't spending enough time and they weren't looking deep enough. And there were too many medications, not the right medications. We've talked about that. And I think there are lessons learned for people who work in the mental health field. And I think that's going to make a difference moving into the future. Yeah. So I'm going to throw in here. I think X19 on here doesn't want kids to ever

31:47once kids have this happen to them again because they keep coming back with all the ifs, ifs, what this, what this. And I just looked it up right now. There has not been any shift in the baseline of philicide since since they've been recording it. And so every single time we face one of these cases and they're just thrown away. And we haven't learned. We let them burn. And even in the case where Andre Yates was tried twice and actually was still behind bars and she got not guilty by reason and sanity. We haven't learned enough because we're not preventing it from happening because we have a lot of people saying just burn, let them rot and we're not learning from it. And you're not treating the situation with compassion really focusing. So focus like everyone keeps saying you want to focus on the victims. Let the victims serve as an example of what we shouldn't let happen in our system, which happened here. And it's going to happen again unless we learn and study her. She wants to be studied. She wants people to learn from her because she knows she's broken. Good. Throw behind bars and let's study her in the place which is suited for it,

32:50not general population. Hopefully there's enough people on this planet where there are those safe guards in place. So when something does inevitably happen to people who are denying it or people that are close to them, they can be protected and not have to be at the the means of those who want to deny mental health. Your thoughts in the comments section on substacking YouTube will continue our conversation there. Want more on this case and others? Then press subscribe now and don't miss a moment of true crime coverage from Tony Brusky and the Hidden Killers podcast. This is Ashley Akinati from the almost famous podcast. You ever notice you and your spouse keep saying we need to get away but you never actually plan anything. That was us until we did something fun and spontaneous. We went to resort pass.com. There are hundreds of hotel resorts, pools and spots and private beaches that you can enjoy. You can spend the day at a luxury resort, pool, spa, massage without booking an overnight stay. And listen, I may have only been like 15 minutes from home, but it felt like it

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