Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And The Jury That Convicted Her (9/11/26)

0:00Welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. So this situation with Jero No. 50 is still yet to be decided. Well now, Galein Maxwell's lawyers have come out and they're saying that Scotty David, Jero No. 50, should have never even been on this jury. Now that is the point of contention, isn't it? Should he have been on this jury or shouldn't he have been on this jury? Well, that's what they're trying to figure out as we speak. And the decision is going to come down to what Judge Nathan makes of all of this. So if she thinks that Maxwell deserves a new trial, that's where we're going to end up. On the flip side of that, if Judge Nathan rules that Scotty David just misremembered here and didn't lie, well, they'll be no mischreial and we'll move on to the sentencing phase. Now I hope that that is the route that we go, right? I don't want to deal with another trial here. I know none of you want to deal with another another another trial.

1:01And I certainly know that the survivors don't. And really, that's what it comes down to for me, right? Those ladies, those women, they don't deserve to go through this nonsense again to relive all of this, this nightmare. So I hope beyond hope that the court finds that things might have been a little wonky but not out of line. That is my hope. But we'll have to see what Judge Nathan has to say. And you know that Maxwell's lawyers are going to be forceful as they try and request this new trial, try and request a new hearing to get their client off. So let's jump into this article from the Guardian and let's see what Victoria, be campus, has to say headline. Glenn Maxwell lawyers say Scotty David should never have been on the jury. Attorney's reject explanation that juror 50 flew through the screening questionnaire, which would have flagged he had been sexually abused. And if I was the lawyers, I'd be saying the same thing, right?

2:04Hey, look, this guy obviously lied. We need a new trial. What the hell's going on here? And from my seat in the peanut gallery, that seems to be a pretty strong argument, right? Look, I'm, again, I'm not a lawyer. And I don't, you know, I don't know the ins and outs on how these kind of things usually work. But I know that if it was me and this, this juror might have lied. And I was, you know, looking at 80 years, I'd be doing everything in my power to try and get a new trial as well. Now, we all know that that doesn't work out so well for people in the justice system, right? When the court makes a decision, more times than not, that's the decision that stands. And we've seen that over and over in this Maxwell case, especially how many times has she taken into the appeals court, only to have the appeals court flip it right back down to Judge Nathan. Glenn Maxwell's lawyers have said the juror, who did not disclose childhood sexual abuse, provided a dubious explanation for the omission as they once again requested a new trial.

3:09Look, again, I don't find his explanation to be very powerful or to be very convincing either, to be honest with you. And I really think that this guy threw a wrench in things here. You got to be an honest person, right? Especially in a situation like this, when you know that if you're out here bullshit and around screwing things up, mucking things up, you could start the process all over again. And like Maria Farmer said last night on the during the interview, how many more roadblocks do these ladies need? The juror, Scotty David, was questioned in court on the 8th of March about his lack of disclosure. David, who was juror 50, told the judge, Allison Nathan, that he was distracted when he flew through a screening questionnaire for potential panelists. The court has now heard from juror 50 in his own words. If there is one thing we learned from juror 50 at the hearing, it is this. He should have never been a member of this jury.

4:09Maxwell's lawyer said in court papers. And again, they don't have a weak argument here, right? But we have to remember and frame the argument up against the backdrop of what precedent has to say. And for team Maxwell, they're going to sink their teeth into anything they can, you know, sink their teeth into at this point. They're like a drowning man, right? Any piece of debris. So of course, they're going to latch onto this and hope beyond hope that they can finagle this some way and manipulate this some way to make it really look like, you know, there was a lot of malfeasance done here so that they can get that new trial. That is their goal. Moreover, his answers to the court's questions, which he gave after, which he gave after careful preparation by his attorney and under the protection of government granted immunity, alternated between inconsistent, implausible and contradictory and at all times lacked credibility.

5:12Yikes, that's pretty harsh. That's a pretty harsh statement from Maxwell's team, but you shouldn't expect any less from these people. You saw the way they went after the survivors. You really think juror 50 is going to be spared from their wrath, zero chance. But look, this guy made his own bed. Let's not forget nobody told him he had to lie or fly through the questionnaire. Nobody forced him to do any of that. He chose to do all of that. Juror 50's explanation that he flew through the questionnaire does not hold water and is repeated after the fact of sureances that the sexual abuse he suffered as a child did not affect his ability to be a fair and impartial juror. We're self-serving and simply not believable. So basically they're just calling this dude a straight up liar. That's what Maxwell's team is asserting. This dude's a liar and he is the reason why Maxwell got convicted. That is what her team is trying to say. And that's how they're trying to frame their argument.

6:13That this dude can't be believed. He's an absolute liar, not a trustworthy guy, lied to get on the jury, lied about this, lied about that, and they're really trying to drive that point home. Like anyone in his position, Juror 50 does not want to be responsible for the retrial of Golan Maxwell. So he attempted to give innocuous explanations for his false questionnaire responses and his decision to tell his story to the international press following the trial. Well, yeah, who wants to be that person? Imagine going down in history as the the moron who caused a retrial for Golan Maxwell, talk about going down an infamy. But you know, look, that is definitely a possibility here. Is it likely? Look, I don't know. All right. But it's definitely a possibility here. And if Maxwell's lawyers can find a way to finagle this conversation and and bend it more to their will, then who knows what will happen. But I think it's going to be a tough road for Golan Maxwell to get another trial here.

7:24David said in court that his omission had been an honest mistake and he had not lied to serve on Maxwell's jury. David was granted immunity to answer Nathan's questions, having previously stated that he would invoke his Fifth Amendment right again, self-incrimination. And again, look, that is certainly within your ability, right? It's it's your right to plead the Fifth, but it doesn't look good in a situation like this, especially. You know, there's already questions about what this guy is up to. And then all of a sudden, well, you know what, I'm not going to answer any of these questions. I'm going to plead the Fifth. Uh, what? So of course, people who are paying attention or watching what's going on here scratch their head and say, well, why are you pleading the Fifth? Why don't you just tell the court what happened? Be honest, be truthful. But he didn't want to incriminate himself, right? He understands that, you know, he could have been in jeopardy of some legal trouble. So he's like, you know what? I'm going to just plead the Fifth here and hope the government gives me a little immunity.

8:25We had to be at the court out super early, David told Nathan, and I got here early and it took 45 minutes just to get through the security line. All of these little excuses that he's given, they all fall flat to me, honestly. I really don't have any time for that kind of stuff. Oh, it was busy. Well, what did you think was going to happen? Oh, I got there super early. Well, yeah, that's what you're supposed to do. What does this guy even talking about? When they finally got the questionnaires hours later, David heard papers being ripped off the questionnaire packets and people asking questions. Also, people asking questions and paper being ripped off of packets causes you to answer questions incorrectly or fly through the questionnaire. What does that even mean, man? All of these reasons, all of these excuses he has given are ridiculous, honestly. If I'm being real, they're ridiculous.

9:28We just sat there for three hours. I didn't have a phone. I didn't have a book, David said. I was just sitting, sitting there, twiddling my thumbs, thinking about the breakup that just happened a few weeks prior, and sitting in my feelings and not very focused. Well, you should have been, you should have asked to be an excuse then. What are you doing? Why are you sitting around there? If that's the sort of state of mind, you're in go tell the jurors go tell the judge, hey, look, I can't do this. I just had this bad breakup. I can't focus correctly. I think somebody else will be better served to serve on this jury. But no, he didn't do any of that. Did he? A jury convicted Maxwell on the 29th of December of sex trafficking and related charges for procuring girls. Some as young as 14 for the now deceased petophile, not financier, Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abuse. Maxwell maintains her innocence. Oh, I'm sure she does. You know, according to land Maxwell, nothing illegal ever occurred. What she did was on the up and up. That's how people conduct themselves in their world, isn't it? Oh, it's no big deal. Just come over here and give Jeffrey a massage.

10:33Sick people. The whole lot of them are a bunch of sick disgusting animals. Epstein, a convicted sex offender who once counted powerful people, including Prince Andrew in his circle, was arrested in July of 2019 for sex trafficking. He killed himself while awaiting trial in New York, federal jail allegedly. Right? Look, again, with the Epstein death, we don't have enough information one way or the other to say what happened in that jail cell. Right? At least I don't. Certainly not for me. And Bill Barr coming out and telling me, oh, well, you just have to believe what I'm telling you here, guys. Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. That certainly is not enough for me. Maxwell's watershed conviction was hurled in the possible disarray following David's post trial interviews in which he mentioned being sexually abused as a child. David said that he told his fellow jurors about this to help them understand facts from a victim's point of view. Again, have we talked to the other jurors? Are they going to come out and say that yeah, this is the truth. I was swayed by this guy.

11:40So who knows what Nathan is up to behind the scenes, but I would think that that would be the right way to go. Did this guy really, you know, a massage you one way or the other? What's, you know, what's up? David statement spurred controversy as potential jurors were queried about past abuse during jury selection. Have you or a friend ever been the victim of a sexual sexual harassment, sexual abuse or sexual assault? What was one such prompt on the questionnaire? Who can really answer no to that though, honestly? Does anyone know somebody who hasn't been sexually harassed sexually abused or sexually assaulted at this point in time? And that's really just a telling narrative on society in general, isn't it? After David's comments emerged, prosecutors asked Nathan to conduct an inquiry into his statements, a request that was quickly echoed by Maxwell's lawyers.

12:40Maxwell's legal team has repeatedly asked for a new trial over David's comments. And that's where we're at, right? We're trying to figure out what the next move is here. Are we going right to sentencing or is it going to be a mistrial? And we're going back to the starting line to start this thing all over again. And I really, really hope that that is not the case. In paperwork filed on Tuesday, prosecutors argued against a new trial pointing to David's insistence that he did not omit anything intentionally. Even if David had disclosed his past abuse, that would not have outright disqualified him from serving on the jury, they said. And that is the truth, right? If you, when you come out and say, hey, look, I was abused, you answer, honestly, that doesn't automatically mean you're not going to be on the jury. Chances are the defense are going, is going to say, yeah, now let's get rid of this guy, bring somebody who's a little more neutral in. Chances are that's going to happen. But we don't know. Nobody knows the future, nobody knows what would have happened.

13:45After the thoughtful and thorough hearing held by this court, it is crystal clear that the defendant received a fair trial prosecutor's wrote. Jurer 50 sworn testimony at the hearing made evident that he did not deliberately lie in completing that questionnaire, but that he instead made an honest mistake. And if it's determined that it wasn't honest mistake by judge Nathan, then this is it's a wrap folks put a bow on it. Let's move on the sentencing. And that's the point we're at, right? Everyone's made their arguments. All the facts as we know them have been put forth. Now judge Nathan is going to make a determination one way or the other. The defendant cannot demonstrate that Jurer 50 was biased at the hearing. Jurer 50 repeatedly denied that he harbored any bias or feelings one way or another with respect to the defendant's or the government. Prosecutors also wrote to the contrary. Jurer 50 consistently testified that he was fair and impartial in this case and that he rendered a verdict consistent with the evidence and the court's instructions of law.

14:48Well, that's a pretty powerful statement by the prosecution and maybe a little bit overblown, right? But hey, look, let's be let's be clear. The prosecution has a job to do. They don't want this to be a mistrial. More than we do even go back and start all over. It looks really bad for them. So they're going to do everything they can to make sure that this conviction this conviction sticks as well as they should, by the way, because let's be honest. Does anyone really think Elaine Maxwell didn't deserve to be convicted here? I mean, come on. All of that evidence that we heard and then at the very end for Annie to come out and drop the hammer with her testimony, it was a rap at least in my opinion anyway. It is unclear when Judge Nathan will rule on the attorney's latest, latest arguments. Long time attorneys have previously told the guardian that a retrial is unlikely. Again, who knows in the world of Jeffrey Epstein and Elaine Maxwell what's likely and unlikely at this point, but it certainly seems like Judge Nathan is leaning towards this verdict being upheld.

15:55And if that's the case, we'll move on to sentencing. And Maxwell's team, while they'll be focusing on sentencing, they'll be moving on to trying to get this appealed. So we'll have to see what happens here and we'll see which way the ball bounces. But you know, it's my opinion that we're going to see the sentencing phase very soon. That's what my gut is telling me right now, especially after Scotty David had his little talk with Nathan. She didn't seem to be swayed too much as far as what the defense was trying to go for. So we'll have to see. But it doesn't look too promising for Elaine Maxwell and her legal team. All right, folks, that is going to do it for this morning's update. Last night, I spent some time with Maria Farmer and we had a fantastic conversation for about an hour. Talked about Epstein, obviously Maxwell, obviously. But the main portion of the conversation revolved around Les Wexner. So if you haven't checked that episode out yet, go back to last night, the evening update and definitely download that one.

16:58As for me, well, I'll be back later on like usual. Some more episodes are certainly on their way. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that at Bobbi Kapuchi at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I-At-Protonmail.com. You can also find me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y-U-C-C-I-C-A-P-U-C-C-I. The links that go with this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Before we dive into the content for today, I wanted to take a minute to wish all of you and your families a very, very Merry Christmas. I know that it's been a rough year, rough couple of years for just about all of us. But hopefully for the next couple of days, at least, we can put all of that stuff to the side. And we can spend this time with our family, our loved ones, our friends, whoever it may be.

18:00And take an account on what good stuff we have in our lives, right? I know it's easy to focus on how bad things are and how disastrous the world around us is. But every now and then, we have to take a minute to appreciate the good things in life, and appreciate the people who we love, and care about, and the people who care about and love us. And what better time to do that than right here around the holidays? So I wanted to let all of you know how much I care about you, because there are a million other options for you out there. Yet you continuously choose to come to my podcast and hang out with me and shoot the shit about a heavy-ass subject. So I appreciate all of you, and I am very thankful for all of you as well. And I hope that you take the time out of your schedule, the time out of your day, whatever it may be, and carve that time out for yourself and your loved ones.

19:06Because guess what folks? Life is real short, right? And when it's all over, it seems like it was just a minute. So if we don't snatch some of that goodness one weekend, boy, oh boy, I'll tell you what. So I really hope that all of you from the bottom of my heart have an amazing Christmas, an amazing holiday season. And let's hope that this upcoming year is the best one that any of us have ever had. With that said, we're going to jump into an article today from Insider, and this article is about the Jure Notes again. And I figured that we have this recess time, and a little more time to build on this topic, we might as well do that. Considering it was probably the most quote-unquote important thing to occur during the deliberations. So I figured we'd dive back into this and spend our morning talking about these notes once again.

20:08This article is from Jacob Shamsian, over at Insider, and the headline is Jure Notes in Golanemaxwell Child Sex Trafficking Trial, show that they're taking her accusers seriously, legal experts say. Now, we read about this previously over at Law and Crime. The day that this was happening, we had a breakdown from Adam Klasfeld. Now, with a few days to chew on it a little bit, let's see what Insider has come up with. On Wednesday afternoon, the 12 Jures deliberating Golanemaxwell's fate gave everyone a surprise. No, they hadn't come to a decision yet, and no, they wouldn't reach one before Christmas. That the Jures needed more than two days to decide whether Maxwell would be found guilty or acquitted of six complicated counts wasn't necessarily unexpected. Maxwell, a child of the former British media baron Robert Maxwell, stands accused of trafficking girls to Jeffrey Epstein for sex, and sometimes participating in sexual abuse herself.

21:15She has denied all the charges. So, at first glance, it would look to me, right, as somebody who's sitting in the peanut gallery, and who doesn't even watch Law and Order never mind know about procedurals in the courtroom, but it would look to me, as if the jury is just being very thorough here. They're going over every last bit of information that they can, so that they don't forget anything or leave anything out. And to be honest with you, if my life was on the line, and I was a defendant, I'd want the jury to take their time too. Be very, very meticulous if you will. But, you know, the cynic in me, like I said yesterday, wants me to say, oh man, this is bad news for the prosecution. The defense is really going to, you know, find a way to wiggle off here. And the cynic in me wants to say that. But who knows what's going to happen, and who knows what these jurors are thinking. You want to think that these jurors, you know, heard the same testimony that we did, and know that Maxwell was a huge part of it.

22:22But, again, we're talking about human beings here, and human nature in general is unreliable. Jurors and other trials have taken longer for less complicated allegations. But the prosecutors and defense attorneys had both previously expected the jurors want to go home before the US District Court in Manhattan closed its doors on Thursday, ahead of Maxwell's birthday on Christmas Day. And that's a juror you would think, right? I want to get this wrapped up. I mean, now you got to go to Christmas dinner. You know, your family is going to have questions, you can't talk about it. You know, you're like, hey, pass me the ham. But, you know, what I heard about Glenn Maxwell, and that's what you're thinking as a juror in your head as you're having your Christmas dinner. Maybe it's just my anxiety, but there's no way that I'd want that hanging over me. I'd be like, nah, we got to get this hammered out, folks. I need to be able to eat my turkey and piece and not think about Glenn Maxwell's gross ass.

23:22But these jurors, they're being deliberate, right? They're being very surgical with what they're doing. Allison Nathan, the judge overseeing the case, squeezed closing arguments and her charging conference into one marathon day on Monday, given them a couple of days to deliberate in the late afternoon before continuing on Tuesday and Wednesday. When she offered to keep the courthouse open for them Thursday, they responded with a note, nah, no thank you. The jurors are scheduled to resume deliberations Monday. So far, they've sent just a handful of juror notes with questions. So, the judge was like, hey, so you guys want to come in on Monday, you know, do some deliberation maybe? Jerry's like, nah, I think we're going to pass. It's kind of like when your boss comes into you, right? It's a holiday weekend, and your boss is like, hey, Bobby, look, bro. I'm going to need you to put in a few extra hours here on this holiday. What do you think? Yeah, the answer is no, my friend.

24:25And basically what the jurors said to the court right there. The jurors are scheduled to resume deliberations Monday. So far, they've sent just a handful of juror notes with questions. Three legal experts inside our interview caution that the information we have thus far is too limited to draw strong conclusions about what jurors may be thinking. Except that they're taking the testimony from accusers seriously. And that's important, right? I think that's a huge tell. They should be taking that testimony seriously. It's the most important part of the whole entire witness package here. So if they're not taking it seriously, Houston, we have a problem. But Lisa Bloom, an attorney representing eight Epstein accusers, said it may be a bad sign for prosecution that the jurors still haven't come to a unanimous conclusion. Yeah, sorry. I don't really have any good things to say about Lisa Bloom. Not really a fan of her or her mother. Gloria Allred. Not a fan.

25:30And the things that they talk about when it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein case. I don't want to say that they absolutely clueless, but they're absolutely clueless. There may be at least one juror who has reasonable doubt over the end over the weekend that could grow Bloom told insider. I've watched hundreds of juries and high profile cases and many in my own cases. And when they decide to break and take a long holiday weekend and come back, I think that's generally a good sign for the defense or flip it around. Maybe that juror is going to go home, take a look around at their family members, their little 13 year old nieces and nephews and come to a completely different conclusion. The request for Carolyn's FBI interview could be good news for Maxwell. In their time deliberating, the jurors have sent a handful of notes, two of which have stood out. They requested an FBI interview of Carolyn, one of Maxwell's accusers, who testified using only her first name.

26:32And they asked whether the testimony of Annie Farmer, the last accuser in the child, could count towards two of the conspiracy counts against Maxwell. That goes against the defense. Because they're asking if the part of Annie's story, the transportation part, can be used to convict Maxwell and the judge said yes. So remember, that's a big deal. Because the wrench was Annie being over the age of consent in New Mexico. I think that probably did make the defense feel pretty good. Because that's really where they focused on challenging the victim's testimony, Huntly Taylor told Insider, and Carolyn in particular, because she didn't mention Maxwell to the FBI. Carolyn has spoken to the FBI a number of times following what she said was years of sexual abuse at the hands of Epstein. In her trial testimony, she said Maxwell sometimes scheduled sexualized massages with Epstein at his Palm Beach floor at a home.

27:36And we know that that's what so many different girls have said. I mean, we're not even talking about the ones that have given the testimony here. What about all of the unnamed girls that we're never going to hear from? Are their voices not important to their stories, not matter to the fact that they were victimized and abused by Jeffrey Epstein and Glein Maxwell, not matter? Because maybe they're from Eastern Europe or something? All of it is just an absolute abomination. According to notes from a 2007 FBI interview, Carolyn didn't name Maxwell as one of the people who scheduled massage. But just a woman with an accent. Maxwell's defense attorneys have highlighted what they viewed as discrepancies in Carolyn's stories as a way to discredit her testimony. Bloom said Jerry notes means that jurors are taking Maxwell's lawyers' arguments seriously. It means that Jerry is very carefully reviewing the evidence and at least one of them thinks that the cross examination and those FBI statements were significant enough to request them Bloom told insider.

28:46Because the FBI interviews aren't recorded or transcribed, they can't be entered into evidence in a trial. The agents who sit in on those interviews just have notes called the 302 document. But not a deposition transcript that jurors asked for. Yeah, and the 302 is what they do whenever they're questioning you, right? Whenever you get questioned by the FBI, they hit you with that 302. And that ends up being their report. And they'll use that report to try and catch you up in a, you know, perjury or whatever it might be. But those reports are not admissible. Nathan declined to give the FBI notes and instead directed them to the evidence and trial transcripts they already had. Something Bloom said that Jerry may find frustrating. Jerry's definitely don't like when things are kept from them Bloom said, I don't know who they're going to hold this against. Would they hold it against the prosecution or would they hold it against the defense that it didn't come into evidence?

29:51Of course it's not the fault of either, it's just the rules of evidence. Oh, thanks Lisa Bloom. I mean, you couldn't find anyone else to talk to yet they don't find Lisa Bloom of all people. Good Lord. Moira Penza, a former federal prosecutor who led the case against nexium cult leader Keith Rainieri, pointed out that the process of impeaching or discrediting a witness was harder than it looked. Even if Carolyn relayed different details about her story over time, that doesn't mean her story was necessarily inconsistent. She may have simply emphasized elements about Epstein earlier in time because the FBI investigation and lawsuit she filed were centered on Epstein. You'll see that even very experienced trial lawyers trying to say this person changed their story is actually much harder than you would think Penza said. Because often it is real, it isn't really very clear cut. The fact that the jurors asked for only the FBI 302 of Carolyn also bodes well for the rest of the case, Penza said.

30:54After all, Maxwell's attorneys grilled the other three accusers, farmer, as well as Jane and Kate, who testified under pseudonyms about their FBI interviews. And jurors didn't ask for notes about theirs. I don't think what that we're seeing evidence so far though. The excuse me, I don't think that we are seeing evidence so far through the note process that the jury is burying this defense, Penza said. That there was a whole conspiracy for all of those victims to manipulate their story to implicate Galen Maxwell. Right, and that's basically what the defense wants to say. That all of the story was were manipulated. That the survivors are all lying, they're misremembering. Hell, maybe they even all got together to concoct this through their lawyers. You know, that's the kind of defense that we're seeing from Maxwell here. The jury question, the jury question about any farmer seems clear cut when for the prosecutors. Later on Monday, jurors asked Nathan whether they can consider farmer's testimony as conspiracy to crime and counts one and three, which would allow them to find Maxwell guilty of two of the conspiracy counts against her.

32:06So that's important, right? And it definitely leads into hopefully a conviction here. Maxwell's lawyers appear furious. Her attorney, Christian Everdele, asked Nathan to give a qualified answer about the limited, about the limited nature of farmer's testimony. Nathan ultimately sided with assistant US attorney, Maureen Comey, giving a simple yes as an answer. Bloom said Nathan's clear as a bell answer was a victory for prosecutors. Any time you can get the judge, who's the authority in the courtroom, to give a definitive yes to a question, that's a definite win for the prosecution, she said. I could see that for sure, right? Look, at the end of the day, it's about getting all of these little W's and adding them up to a gigantic win that turns into an indictment. Pensa said the question may reveal another element of how jurors were thinking, that they were closely focused on Maxwell's role in Epstein's sexual abuse operation.

33:11Absolutely. They want to set it up as, oh, this is about Jeffrey Epstein, this is to go after Jeffrey Epstein because he wasn't punished the first time around. Well, guess what? Think what you want, but the fact of the matter is this Maxwell was there every step of the way. Had her hands on the reins every step of the way. She's only getting what she deserves at this point. It is highly, excuse me, aside from the specific requests about Carolyn and Annie, the jurors also asked for copies of transcripts for testimony from all four accusers at the trial. They also asked for transcripts of testimony from Juan Alessi, Epstein's former Palm Beach butler for 20 years, who was one of the prosecution star witnesses. If jurors taking all the accusers seriously, it may be harder for them to disentangle Maxwell from Epstein according to Pensa. At the end of the day, it's going to be difficult for the jurors to believe that all of these women were lying about Galen Maxwell's role, Pensa said.

34:18And that's what it comes down to, right? The absolute sheer volume of accusations against Galen Maxwell is going to weigh heavy with the jury. You have to think anyway. All of these people with these same stories coming out and telling them it is not good for you. Maxwell's defense attorneys have argued that Epstein compartmentalized his life, and that Maxwell didn't know about his sexual proclivities. But farmer's story is decidedly less complicated than that of the other accusers in this case. She testified in the trial that she spent a weekend at Epstein's New Mexico Ranch when she was 16 years old, during which Maxwell gave her a sexualized massage and seemed to groom her for sex with Epstein. Farmers more limited experience with Epstein in Maxwell, one weekend rather than years of abuse that the three other accusers testified about at the trial, give jurors a different way to examine Maxwell's role in Epstein's life.

35:21And I've been convinced of this since the beginning, meaning that Annie's testimony would be the one that sinks them. They made a very crucial error targeting Annie farmer folks, and it's really coming back to bite them in the ass now, because she was unshakable on the witness stand. You couldn't impune her honor or her integrity, and it gives you a glimpse at what some of these other girls could have had in their future. If they weren't abused by Maxwell and Epstein. It looks like the jury is concentrating on what evidence is there that Maxwell knew what was happening when she wasn't in the room, Pensis said, when she was grooming these girls and recruiting them. With their question, Pensis said, jurors appeared to be zeroing in on exactly what Maxwell knew about Epstein, praying on teen girls. It's not that the prosecution has to prove that she saw what happened with her own eyes, she said, even if she was just burying her head in the sand, it's a law.

36:24If you bury your head in the sand, then you are just as criminally culpable. And that's the facts. You can't, you know, say, oh, well, I didn't know, I had no idea, and think you're going to get off. Go try that after you get a speeding ticket or something with a cops. Just doesn't work out well for you. And I don't think that defense would work out well here either. Now, I certainly don't have a crystal ball, right? And I certainly am biased hoping that she gets convicted. But I would think that on the back of this testimony, especially, especially with Annie's testimony, bringing up the rear of the way it did, that an indictment is inevitable. And you would hope, especially for the survivors, that that's what happens here, because boy, let me tell you, Maxwell walking quite possibly is one of the biggest travesties in the history of the world.

37:25So let's hope that that does not occur. All right, folks, well, that's going to do it for the second day of Christmas recess here. And we're only going to have the one episode today as far as, you know, daily updates. And obviously, I'll have more context episodes for you. I posted the first one, the Khalif Browder episode. I have two more that go along with that series. We're going to finish off the Women Who Enabled Epstein series. And then I have a couple of other things that I'm going to post as well as far as context goes to get us prepared for the upcoming week. Now, tomorrow, I haven't really decided yet what I'm going to do if I'm going to pop on it all or maybe take the day off. I'm leaning towards taking the morning off and just doing context episodes. But we'll see what happens. We'll see how I feel. And if I get up early enough, maybe I'll hop on and we'll go through a new article as well. We'll just guess we'll just have to play it by ear either way.

38:26There'll be context episodes for you and yeah, all that other good stuff. All right, everybody. So I hope all of you have an amazing day. And hopefully you're all relaxing and all of that jazz like we talked about in the opening. And it is my greatest wish that this next year coming up for all of us is just the greatest one ever folks. So at that said, I hope everybody enjoys their day enjoys their family. And I will be back later. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that at Bobbi Kapuchi at proton mail dot com. That's B O B B Y C A P C C I at proton mail dot com. You can also find me on Twitter at B O B B Y underscore C A P U C C I. The link that we discussed can be found in the description box. What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. This morning, we're going to talk a little bit more about Scotty David,

39:27juror number 50 and the situation that we find ourselves in. Now we have a report coming out from the daily news. And in that report, they're saying that Scotty David's lawyer has asked the court to see his own answers to the sexual assault question. Now that doesn't inspire very much confidence in me that oh boy was being truthful and being honest. And in fact, I'd file it under absurd to be honest with you. How don't you know if you answered that question or not? You're there for a sexual assault case. It would make sense that a question like that on the questionnaire would be a bit more memorable than some of the others. No. So with this new information coming out from the daily news, it just adds to the pile, right? And again, I'm not going to leap off any bridges one way or the other because frankly,

40:28none of us know what's going to happen here. All we can do is speculate a little bit and take a look at the information as it comes in, process that information, and try and get a more clear picture of what in the hell is going on here. And especially when it comes to something like this where there's a lot of innuendo and there is a bit of smoke, shall we say? That usually means that there's some fire by the way. And him asking for his own questions again, it's really not inspiring when it comes to having confidence in him not having lied on the questionnaire portion. Now again, I don't know if he lied or not. I wasn't there. I didn't see the questionnaire. I didn't hear the conversations. But when you start adding up all the little things that you see, it certainly looks like this dude might not have been truthful.

41:32So let's take a look at this article from the Daily Mail and let's see what authors Adam Mono, Laura Collins, and Lawrence Dallamore have to say. The juror in the Glend Maxwell trial who revealed he couldn't remember how he answered a pretrial question about his own sexual abuse history, casting doubt on the validity of Maxwell's conviction, has asked the judge to see his answers. I mean, again, it's beyond me. Hey, you know, you think I could check that questionnaire so I could see what I said? I would think that it would be important to make sure that you're answering a question with such substance in a truthful manner. In fact, I think that answering all questions when it comes to something like this, especially is a pretty important thing to do. So why would you need to see the questionnaire, buddy? Scotty David has retained lawyer Scott Spodich who asked the court to provide the questionnaire according to the Daily News.

42:38He could face perjury charges if he's found to have, excuse me, if he's found to have intentionally lied. So that's definitely on the table, but I think that's going to be pretty hard to prove. And the more I look at this and the more I, you know, take a look at some of the case precedent that has been brought up by some of the experts, it's not going to be as easy as you might think to get this overturned or to get a mistrial. The court really doesn't like going against a ruling that they've made and there has to be extreme prejudice for them to do so in most circumstances. So while it really looks bad from the outside and the optics definitely aren't good when it comes to this Scotty David guy, I don't think it automatically is going to signal that, you know, we're on the tracks of a mistrial train here. Now, again, it's very possible that we could be, but I don't think that it's, you know, the only likelihood or the most likely thing to occur.

43:44I just think it's one of many things that could occur when it comes to these courts and it comes to these judges, even if you're basing your opinions on precedent, we all know that these judges conduct themselves like, you know, they're the rulers of these courtrooms. And one judge might have a different ruling from another. So I certainly, as a betting man, I wouldn't be putting any wagers in one way or the other. That's for sure. David 35 has claimed that he used his experience being sexually assaulted to influence other jurors saying, when I shared that, they were able to come around on the memory aspect of the sexual abuse. And again, we've touched on that. I don't really think that you can take that for, you know, a huge impactful statement. I think you have to take that with a grain of salt. Of course, you always want to think that you're the person who was the hinge vote, right? The man who everything was relying on. And then when you cast your vote, that was what made the whole thing go.

44:49Or your opinion made some of the other jurors, you know, re-evaluate their decisions. Everybody wants to be the hero in their own story. How many times have you heard me say that by now? But video published by DailyMail.com last week revealed that David couldn't remember if the pretrial questionnaire asked about sexual abuse history, which it did. And again, when that all was coming out and we were talking about that when it originally happened, I was pretty suspect that you wouldn't remember that on the questionnaire, especially considering that according to Scotty, he's been through his own situation with sexual assault and sexual abuse. I would think that that would be one of the questions that jump out at you. Now, I've never been in that situation. I've never been in a situation where I've had a question like that, be presented to me and it stirs up all kinds of bad memories or anything like that.

45:50So I can't begin to try and diagnose the psyche behind it, but it's not a good look, right? You would think that you would remember that same way I say that I think people, people would remember seeing Prince Andrew at the pizza joint. You know, if you're reading this questionnaire and the child's about sexual abuse, you would think that would be a question that stands out. Now, that's just my from the peanut gallery assessment, but it seems the logical path. Maxwell's lawyers have since demanded a new trial and told the mail on Sunday that they believe they found a third juror who lied about being abused after a second unidentified juror told the New York Times that they too had been abused as a child. I think what this signifies if anything is that way too many of our peers, our colleagues, our friends, hell, our relatives have been abused.

46:51I think that's what we should be taking away from this that there are there's three people who were abused on the jury. You can't put together a jury of 12 where people haven't been abused. That tells you everything you need to know about how pervasive this situation is and a lot of the time these sorts of things are done by the people by people that are close to you or to the victims. And it's, you know, not always and in fact, very rarely is it a huge operation like we saw with Epstein and Maxwell. Maxwell 60 was convicted of facilitating the sexual abuse of minors by her former partner, co-conspirator, general all around Scuzzbag, you know, fellow child abuser, Jeffrey Epstein on December 29th. She faces 65 years in prison, meaning she could spend the rest of her life behind bars. And like I always say, that's what she deserves in my opinion. If you're going to eff around and commit these kinds of crimes, if you're going to commit crimes against children, teenage girls, vulnerable people, poor people, people who can't defend themselves, then yeah, I'm not going to have empathy for you.

48:06Right, it's not like you got into a fist fight with someone at the bar over an argument, you gave the dude a shot to the mouth. He fell over broke his head. Now you're in jail. I'm going to have more, I'm going to have empathy for that, right? You made a bad decision. Shit happens. We've all been mad before, but nobody can relate to this. Nobody sat around before and wanted to be a human trafficker. No decent human being anyway. So she doesn't have a relatable crime in the least. And it's not even like it's a blue collar crime where you could sit back and say, all right, well, just a thief. Nope. So she should do every last day of those 65. And if it was me, I tack on a zero, make it 650. The 48th question on the pretrial survey for jurors asked, have you or a friend or a family member ever been the victim of sexual harassment, sexual abuse, or sexual assault? This includes actual or attempted sexual assault or other unwanted sexual advance, including by a stranger, acquaintance, supervisor, teacher, or family member.

49:14David told Reuters that he flew through the survey. And again, if there's anyone to blame, it's certainly Scotty David here if he's the one who lied. I know people want to blast the media and believe me. If anyone is more critical of the legacy media, I'd like to see them. But I think in this instance, you know, this dude was going to tell his story no matter what. If it wasn't with the legacy media, he'd be on his own social media. Yeah, crowing about it. He's just that kind of guy. So I think that this dude, if you want to find, you know, someone to be aggravated with, I would think that the person that who caused the whole entire melstrom would be the proper person to be agitated with. And that would be Scotty David. But again, that all hinges on if he was not honest, right? Because like I've said, a million times now, if he was honest, then it's on the defense to catch that and to do the right thing.

50:21David's revelations have exasperated those closely following Maxwell's trial. As many feel that Epstein himself escaped justice when he killed himself allegedly in his New York City jail cell while awaiting trial in 2019. Yeah, I think I could speak for the vast majority of us who have been following this closely. Epstein certainly did find himself in a much more solid situation for himself by killing himself. Because he was definitely going to get convicted. The only question was for how many years, how many life sentences and how many people he was going to take down with him. Because if you think that Jeffery Epstein was the kind of guy that was going to go down by himself, you are sadly mistaken. Certainly not the way this dude conducted himself. It was always about insulating himself and not being the man that's going to take the fall. And if he would have lived like he should have, then I don't even, I can't even imagine how many people would have went down, folks. I cannot even imagine because that trial wasn't just going to be, you know, the way the Maxwell trial was so small and scope.

51:37They were going to be forced to sweep up a whole big group of people. Then coincidentally, like everything else in this case, he happens to die in custody. A history of sexual abuse would not preclude a person from being in the jury, but it would almost inevitably be a matter for further discussion and questioning by the judge and attorneys. In fact, both the prosecution and defense filed a request that the court pursue more detailed questioning if a particular juror's answers reveal that further inquiry is appropriate. So again, we don't know what was said in this sealed portion. And that's another reason why I am so crazy about transparency. This is not a national security issue. We should be able to see everything there is to see about this. And if you're somebody who is caught up as far as being one of Epstein's enablers or associates or you're a friend with Virginia, I mean with Galen Maxwell and you've been outed by Virginia Roberts, I don't care if you're embarrassed.

52:43I would expect that if the legacy media is not going to do it and there's not going to be any criminal penalties, then it's up to the citizens to let these people know that there's no place for them in civilized society. I know everybody's out there trying to cancel everybody else, but if anybody's ever deserved to be canceled, it's Jeff Reewapstein and anybody, anybody who enabled him. Judge Allison Nathan hasn't decided whether David's answers to the question were in a court inquiry, the Daily News reports. Legal experts say the question likely comes down to whether or not David purposely emitted his history of assault. And I don't think you need to be a legal expert to come to that conclusion. I'm certainly not a legal expert. In fact, I'm not an expert in anything to tell you the truth, but it's not hard to come to that destination. If he lied, then it puts a whole different spin on it. But again, even if he did lie, who the hell knows what the court's going to decide?

53:51In an interview, David said he answered all questions, honestly, and so would have said yes. Yet when asked if he ticked the boxmark, yes, in response to the perspective, Jera question, air question addressing sexual abuse, David's immediate answer was no, they don't ask you your sexual history. They didn't ask that in a questionnaire. And I mean, really, bro, here's an idea. Just shut up and do the right thing. Follow all the rules, answer all the questions, be forthcoming, and let the train of justice continue down the tracks. This guy went from trying to be, you know, the hero in his own story to turn himself into Ramsey Bolton. When pressed and informed that it was indeed a question on the questionnaire, David commented, interesting. Apparently, searching his memory and coming up empty.

54:52Yeah, again, it does not instill a lot of confidence in me that this dude was honest. And I have to shoot you folks straight, right? One thing that I've done since we've started this podcast three years ago, the Jeffrey Epstein show and then over into this one is I shot you guys straight with my honest opinion. And that's exactly how I feel with this as well with this Scotty David guy. I feel like it's starting to really look like he wasn't very truthful on the questionnaire portion. David filled in the juror questionnaire in the first day of Jerry selection in November. And despite his initial statement that he had not ticked the yes box, he went on to tell delimel.com, I would have marked yes, but I honestly don't remember that question. Redding and becoming flustered, he said, I can feel the blood in my face, but I honestly, that's why I answered that way. So he doesn't have confidence in himself. How could that instill confidence in any of us?

55:55David is now asking the court for his own answers to review them again, not building confidence here is Scotty David. David previously told delimel.com that the matter of juror's sexual assault history wasn't brought up in the second stage of the Jerry selection process, which comes after the questionnaire. No, it was never raised. They never so the questionnaire was day one and then day two, if Jerry selection, we went in front of the judge and there were all the lawyers in the room. And that's where they asked me some questions. They asked me what do I do, what I like to do for fun. If I can be fair and impartial, and it was literally like 30 seconds long, and then I was out of the room. So to his benefit, it doesn't or to his defense, I guess, it doesn't look like the questioning portion was very long here, but that might be common. Again, I'm not familiar with how this happens. The only time I've ever been called up for Jerry, dude, he like I told you folks earlier, I was let go right away. There was no moving on to the second round.

57:00There was nobody showing up saying you're going to Hollywood. I was out the first round with all of the other derelicts. Maxwell was convicted last month when the six men and six women, Jerry, found her guilty of sex trafficking of a minor, transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, and three counts of conspiracy. She was found not guilty of enticing a minor to travel to engage in illegal sex acts. The US government is now offering to drop two perjury charges linked to claims Maxwell made in 2016 deposition in a separate civil lawsuit should the sex crimes conviction stand. And I, you know, it's pick your poison for Maxwell here. Not a commendable situation, not a position I'd ever want to be in, that's for sure. No matter what she does, she's in big trouble. We all know she lied on that deposition and we all know she committed these crimes. And once again, if it wasn't for a loophole or a mother effin technicality, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

58:05We'd be talking about what penitentiary she's going to. Each perjury charge carries a maximum five year prison term. The charges alleged the convicted sex trafficker lied under oath by hiding her participation in Epstein's offenses, sharing a separate civil case, brought against her by the Prince Andrew accuser Virginia Roberts. And again, that's crucial, right? Because if the prosecutors believe her enough to use that deposition and the lies Maxwell is being charged with telling in that deposition, then they obviously believe what Virginia has to say. So that doesn't bode well for old Uncle Touchy, the joe exotic of the Windsor family. Confirming their position in the letter to Judge Nathan, the US government said in the event the defendant's post trial motions are denied, the government is prepared to dismiss the severed perjury, the severed perjury counts at the time of sentencing, in light of the victim's significant interests and bringing closure to this matter,

59:05and avoiding the trauma of testifying again. So like we talked about what they're saying there is, look, we don't need to go through this all again. Let's play ball here. You drive, we'll drop these perjury charges and you take your medicine like you should. Because even if there's a mistrial, do you really think she's going to get off? It's going to be the same old same old, and they're probably going to come harder in the paint. The federal government hates mistrials, and they really hate when they don't get a conviction. Meanwhile, Prince Andrew was under severe pressure to settle with Virginia Roberts after a New York judge refused to throw out her case, paving the way for a box office trial in nine months to examine claims she was repeatedly forced to have sex with him when she was a teenager. The decision is a devastating blow to the Duke of York, who now faces a hugely expensive and reputation shredding court case next September unless he tries to pay off Roberts with at least five million.

1:00:09And look, I'm telling you, it doesn't look like Virginia is willing to accept. Now she might change her mind, that's going to be up to her and her lawyers. None of us have anything to say about that, right? We're not the ones who went through the abuse or so it's going to be up to her and her lawyers, but I really hope that she goes all the way with this clown, and she really takes him to the woodshed. If he chooses not to settle, or if Roberts rejects any offers, Andrew faces being interviewed by her lawyers in a videotape deposition in London that could be played in court. Although the ninth in line to the throne cannot be forced to give evidence due to it being a civil suit in a different legal jurisdiction. Additionally, he could simply ignore the case and let the court give a decision in his absence. Although this would likely damage his reputation further, yeah, go ahead and do it. Go ahead and do it. Go ahead and not acknowledge the court's summons and see how quickly you're painted as a sex offender. Go ahead and do it, my friend. Andrew has been forced to sell off his 23.3 million dollar Swiss ski chalet. He owns with his ex wife Sarah, the Duchess of York, to cover his legal bills or a settlement after his mother, the queen, reportedly refused to pay.

1:01:24He was only able to sell the property after settling a $6.6 million debt with the owner. And there's conflicting reports about the queen and the paying. I'm leaning towards she's still paying, like I said earlier. I have no proof of that, but I would guess that she is still paying. So folks, there you got there you have it. The land Maxwell is, you know, gonna maneuver. She's gonna be the smarmy, slimy, S.O.B. that she is. She's going to look for any way to claw her way out of the mess she is in. And if Jerv 50, Scotty David gave her a little bit of breathing room, you better believe she's gonna come up and suck some air down from the air pocket. But when it's all said and done and this whole entire thing is over and, you know, we get to the finish line with Galen Maxwell finally. I think the result is going to be the same convictions and her spending the rest of her life in prison.

1:02:29That's gonna do it for us this morning folks and as usual, there will be some context episodes today and I will also be diving back into the Prince Andrew situation tonight on the evening update. So until then folks, I hope you all have a great day. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that at Bobbi Kapuchi at protonmail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-C-A-P-U-C-C-I-A-P-R-O-T-M-L-O-D-C-A-C-I-A-P-U-C-C-I. The link that we discussed can be found in the description box.