
Miguel Conner on Debunking Modern UFO Paradigms (and the big Gnostic reveal)
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For this Black Iron Prison Intercept, like any good Gnostic, I deconstruct and expose today’s leading extraterrestrial models, based mostly on the excellent research of Kevin Cann and his book, UFOs and the Extra-Consciousness Hypothesis. Prepare to have all your conceptions of UFOs challenged to the point of no return. Say goodbye to Roswell, Kenneth Arnold, the Grays, Galactic Federations, and all that.
Something has been interacting with human beings for thousands of years—and we still don’t know what it is. The evidence is undeniable: radar returns, physical trace cases, mass witnessed events, and entity encounters that defy every conventional explanation we have. What we think we know about UFOs is almost certainly wrong, and the rabbit hole goes far deeper than bullshit governments, disclosure movements, or Hollywood have ever dared to suggest. The truth, it turns out, may not be out there at all — it may be in here.
And the final truth, of course, is a Gnostic one.
Kevin joined us for the member Q&A afterward, if he isn’t abducted first.
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Aeon Byte Gnostic Radio — Miguel Conner on Debunking Modern UFO Paradigms (and the big Gnostic reveal). Machine-transcribed; use the interactive transcript above to jump the player to any line.
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But anyway, welcome everybody to A.M. Bite, welcome to the Black Iron Intercept, my monthly or sometimes by monthly presentations, available in full for all members on YouTube, Patreon, or AV Prime, and for others, you get partial. Welcome and as always, this is indeed a invite where you get those Gnostic truths and guess you will get nowhere else on the internet, including this month. We have individuals like David Block and others who will be coming in this earth, wind, and fire month. This is where you get it, this is where you get the originality. And of course I always like to say everybody is original, everybody is a genius in their own way if you would. And there is a saying that I always like from the Gospel of Thomas, and I think it's very important.
It goes Gospel of Thomas 70, if you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you or kill you depending on the translation. We all have something within us that is completely original, that is completely ourselves, that is part of our soul's voice that we need to bring up. I am no better than anybody else, and that's why we are here as humans. Alternatively, I always like this quote by Charles Bukowski that goes, find what you love and let it kill you. Because in the end, yes, it will drain you, the gods are, the gods and the musists and the divine man is, takes its toll, but hey, can't think of a better way to go. Furthermore, and I know I'm going on a tirade already, but this quote by Jung always, I think is so important, kind of answers the question.
A free will, Jung said, free will is the ability to do gladly that which which I must do. In other words, we are all here on that mission to bring forth what is within us. That's why we're here, our own individuation, the individuation of the universe, and that is why we are here. Anything else is against our will, our true will, and we're simply wasting time and pretending to be something we are not or God forbid, just being average. So free will is, yes, what you, you're so decided that you should do here, your story and what you bring forth from what is within you. And also in a little piece of more inspiration, this quote too, I've always loved that's from the Valentinian Theodotus. And people ask, what is Noces? And sometimes I like to say, just answer these questions.
And he wrote, what makes us free is the knowledge, the noces of who we were, what we have become, where we were, where rain we have been thrown, where to we speed, where from we are redeemed, what is birth, what is rebirth. A beautiful, beautiful poetic line, as the Valentinians were want to do. And I think that answers the question of bringing forth what is within us if you can answer those questions. That is Noces, that is destiny. And again, we all have an amazing destiny. Nobody is more important than anybody else. It's all part of that Indra's net where everything is interconnected. And as Alan Watts once said, the blade of grass is just as important as Socrates. But anyway, today I'm very excited about this presentation, especially because this presentation is based on a book from a friend and a guest book I really enjoyed. And he will be with us for the Q&A for members at the studio.
And I think it's an incredible book, which we will get to in shortly. I don't want to waste too much time here. Namajels on the house keeping. My name is me, Elk honor, pompadus of noces, yada, yada, yada. But I spent yesterday, went, drove an hour to Naperville to do some tests, see my doctor. So I will have some health updates soon, probably on either a dedicated show or a, my not stick which wants to come out and jump on the show and show her incredible revelations to the world. She's been the one that has helped heal me and get me on the right path. And when I get the results, we'll know even, we'll know even better. So that's really it. On a little side note, you notice the statue of Elvis there. My doctor decided to text me this morning about this old Saturday night, live skit called little Elvis.
You guys remember little Elvis and it was Nicholas Cage who would play little Elvis and it was a miniature Elvis hanging out with the Memphis Mafia. I don't remember it, but I saw it and it's one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life, but it's so bad. It's funny. So I just thought if you get a chance, go on YouTube and check out the little Elvis skits, I think it's just Nicholas Cage looking for an excuse to play Elvis. Yeah, that's quite a side note. Yeah, that's quite a side note. So then that I think we should just get started. I think we should. Let's bring the other, the real presentation. Now you do not want to you go away. You come here and we'll get us started. I'll advance play the demure with the face and all that good stuff. And we'll hit the ground running people. We will because we need to get to the final frontier.
Debunking modern UFO paradigms. And yes, it's a little click baity, but you know, welcome to age of the Internet. A survey of the five major frameworks that serious researchers used to understand UFOs. Each hypothesis is a genuine attempt to account for the evidence. Each has strengths, each has limitations. The end, the ultimate extraterrestrial truth molder is a gnostic one. In other words, there is a very big mind blowing reveal at the end that I wouldn't be surprised, change your life. Or made you see the whole extraterrestrial star lore in a very different way. So get ready for that. As, as Janet said in the Rocky Horror picture show reality is here. The game has been dispended. My mind has been expanded.
And I'm sure somebody in the audience with screen slut like we used to do watching the, when we were doing the Rocky Horror picture show live. But yeah, only at a invite to get UFOs little Elvis and Janet from the Rocky Horror picture show. But yeah, the truth is out there and you will find new lies in this one. Now, who am I basing this on? Well, there's my friend and sometimes collaborator and somebody who has also helped me with my spiritual life. And whose books have helped me a lot and I've enjoyed and that is Mr. Kevin can. And of course, been a guest many times on a on bite and on this occasion we'll talk about his book UFOs and the extra consciousness hypothesis. Now, we did do a podcast on it a few months ago, but as often happens, especially when you're hanging out with friends and there's the audience asking questions.
And then we're going on different side quests and parallel conversations and we're all over the place and it was a fun interview. But I felt I needed to come back and give this book the, the dues that it deserve and give you a tighter message or presentation about this. Why is that? Well, again, prepared to have your mind expanded like Janet. I could mention too that this book is a big book 700 pages. I think I will do justice to it in this presentation, but it talks a lot more than just UFOs and it has these amazing exercises that are good for your soul, good for your left, right, brain dichotomy and so forth. But Kevin also provides exercises on how you can summon your own UFO. You can summon a UFO like the bloodsows or Stephen Greer. It's all there. He breaks it down.
You'll get a UFO. In fact, there is the story of Kevin himself. He summoned a UFO in 2013 and he sent the evidence to Jacques Valet and Jacques Valet was like, well done. Well done. That'll do. Biggie, that'll do. If you're wondering if I have tried to summon a UFO, no, I have not. Why? Because Kevin warns that you must do a lot of shadow work to summon a UFO and with all the things that happened to me this year from the health to the deaths to the financial risks and all that. I learned two things. I still have a lot of shadow work I need to work on. Be when you have one of those challenging years you create more shadow. So I need to deal with that shadow, but the exercises are excellent and maybe one day when I my soul says yes, you've cleared enough shadow. I am going to summon a UFO and hopefully maybe you'll be with me while we do it.
But anyway, if you want to summon a UFO, this is the book to do it. You don't need any, you don't need to pay anybody to travel far and give them all this money. This book will get you there. Now the other question some of you may be asking is why am I talking about UFOs in a show about nesticism? Well, because it is almost the two topics are inseparable. The connection between ancient, nosticism and the modern UFO phenomenon is a reoccurring theme among some researchers who point to striking parallels and their cosmologies and implications. There is this famous quote that I use from Eric Davis from his book Nomat Codes. And it goes, we don't need to expiate our crimes, but to discover and remember the way out of a false world created through no fault of our own. And this way out is way out. Nostick texts crackle with a peculiar energy and almost sci-fi sensibility of alien gods and supermoon-daying universes of light.
Though not the first cosmic dualist, the nostics may have been the first spiritual offworlders. And then Steven Snyder in his great book, the Minotaur about Stanley Kubrick, he wrote, Nosticism and Neo-Platonism have been described as the world's first ancient astronaut religions. I would agree with that. There are the ones who really notice this whole Anunnaki vibe and the stars before anybody else. Lastly, we of course have another good friend and that is Chris Knowles and he wrote in, well he's written in his blog, but also in his ex files book, that the nostics were history's first UFO cult. And I agree with that. I mean, as April Deconic writes in her book, the nostick new age and other, the nostics were obsessed with space travel. And they weren't like all these milk toast traditions like the cult of Mithra's or today's astrologers and telemites and all those milk toast people like, oh, we're just going to travel the zodiac and oh, they're sad and we're going to come back and all that.
The nostics were going, they were going on the enterprise, they were going to the final frontier. They were traveling through across the universe with John Lennon and they were going through these star portals in Virgo and Leo and Draco and going into these other dimensions and meeting different denizens of all these different universes and interacting with them. It was something that they were obsessed with and how he's doing and then you had the whole idea of the archons and the fall of Sophia, how she became earth and all that. Yes, you do get that sci-fi UFO cult vibe from the nostics. And I would advise you go for those of you who are excuse me in the virtual Alexandria Academy. Check out my presentations on the paratics and that scenes the O5. You have the serpent dragon nostics are the ones who were into space travel and it talks about the rituals are going through portals traveling across different universes and multiverses.
So check it out that the virtual Alexandria Academy or you can enroll there you can enroll through my website or patreon. It's very economical for like 30 30 lessons plus you get all astronosis replaced or like less than a hundred dollars, but check it out. And then you can even look at let's say the mandians the mandians even today when you read their text it is something again out of a science fiction books. I mean their version of the aons are called utras and these are more like space aliens. I mean they even some text call their their ships the their ships, which is a known UFO term. And they're traveling around in these clouds going and visiting human beings and then going back out into space. So even with the surviving mandians you get that again UFO cult vibe. And he let's say proof is in the pudding. There is a reason why nosticism works so well in science fiction today from Philip K. Dick to William burrows to the watchowski siblings or whatever or whatever and that is because it just nosticism translates so well into science fiction specular fiction and UFO lore.
So therefore UFOs and nosticism are relevant and me doing this presentation is being right at home valentinus and Simon Megas and Mary Magdalene are clapping from whatever spaceship they are right now as I do this. Now Kevin's book is again very very well researched and one thing he talks about is the 95 slash 95 five rule of UFO encounters and he let's just say most of your phone counters are yes pure crap. The 95% are just prosaic and noise which he labels deceptive anomalous process DAP and that includes honest human error misidentified conventional objects like planets, starling satellites, drones and camera artifacts, those dust orbs. And of course he always got a count on human deception institutional narrative management by governments and commercial exploitation of and beauty and of course we can see they're doing it right now to us aren't they.
So then we have the 5% the authentic and Kevin calls it the baritical anomalous process VAP and it has an irreducible signal genuine encounters that resist all conventional explanations he markers physical traces radar soil changes altered consciousness and high strangeness the nature not physical objects but living consciousness and tangles. So we have a couple of different angles of process within the information and college of reality. What is that well we are going to get into it and you're going to be very impressed or surprise about how complex and amazing this is. The 5 hypothesis at a glance that Kevin and Kevin again deals with this and is 700 page book and depth one is the extra terrestrial hypothesis the ETH the other one is the interdimensional hypothesis the IDH and the other one is the demonic hypothesis.
Then we get to the woo woo we got the extra consciousness hypothesis the ETH and lastly Kevin's own model platonic surrealism so let's let's break this down shall we let's expand let's expand. First we'll go with the extra terrestrial hypothesis the ETA proposes that UFOs are physical spacecraft manufactured by intelligent beings from other planets its core axioms are ontological material and materialism biological universality technological progressivism and physical visitation consciousness place no constitutive role it is a passive observer of external events. The ETH can legitimacy through project blue book j alan hynex work and physical cases you know like landing marks radiation signatures radar returns for millions it is not a hypothesis at all it is simply what you oppose are.
Now let's look out where the ETH makes sense and there's the list physical evidence that explains radar return suggestion solid objects trace cases with mass and energy interaction military encounters like the 2004 USS limits incident objects performing maneuvers exceeding known technology why does it. Well because aliens from another planet fits inside the materialistic world view western culture has run on for three centuries it gives a military something to shoot at congress something to fun and the media a story that writes itself and it's only makes a lot of youtubers very rich as you see. The entire disclosure apparatus hearing whistleblowers crash retrieval narratives of soon the ETH as its foundation looks pretty solid right not so fast first we have where let's look at where it begins to struggle of course we have the number problems a logical advance physical survey of a single planet would operate with high efficiency.
It would not require millions of separate highly repetitive close encounters and landing stage at stage over many decades together data as jacks valet calculated the sheer quantity of reported landings alone represent a visitation rate that no plausible scientific or military mission would ever generate yes they're happening all the time and being reported all the time. Then we have of course the by a lot the biology problem humanoid body structure is biologically implausible as a product of independent evolution and is purely adapted to space travel and I remember that as a kid even as a kid I'd be like we go these aliens come here we travel to other planets and they have five fingers and four limbs and you know they nod and shake their head it's like. To me it made no sense but then of course I would just suspend my disbelief and say I kept in purchase go ahead and kiss that beautiful green skinned alien what the hey alright the other problem is the history problem the phenomenon extends throughout all of recorded human history appearing as faithful angels and aerial wonders long before the space one.
Then we have yet very important the paranormal correlates problem 60 to 70% of close encounter witnesses report telepathic communication precognitive dreams poltergeist activity and synchronicities the ETH has no place for these it must ignore them or explain them away as stress reactions and either response is adequate. And yeah I agree with this one in other words the supernatural and alien encounters are inseparable they go hand in hand even beyond that many you see dead dead relatives before the spaceship lands and so much again you cannot separate the two but our materialistic society attempts to do that and they're just being disingenuous as Kevin writes convenience is a terrible epistemology. The ETH is not wrong so much is incomplete it describes one layer of a multi layer phenomenon and it says that layer that layer is all there is.
Now let's look at the other one which is the number two the hyper dimensional hypothesis jacks valet computer scientists astronomer and co-developer of the first computerized map of Mars proposed a UFO's originate not from distant planets but from other dimensions of reality that co-exist with our own. In passport to Magonia 1969 he demonstrated that modern UFO encounters have structural features with centuries of folklore about fae abductions angelic visitation and aerial wonders. The beings change their costumes across eras berries airship pilots Nordic space brothers gray aliens but the underlying behavioral pattern remains strikingly consistent across every culture and century. Now we'll continue with valet and this time with his thermostat for human consciousness valet proposed that the phenomenon operates as a quote control system not a conspiracy but a kind of thermostat for human consciousness.
It stages events just physical enough to demand attention but consistently avoids clear repeatable evidence required for scientific confirmation. When a culture drifts towards pure materialism the phenomenon injects events that shatter materialist categories when it drifts towards uncritical mysticism the phenomenon becomes observed forcing skepticism. It is not steering us toward any particular belief it is steering us away from certainty itself keep that in mind and be unity it will be very important concept later on. Joshua Kuchen extends his framework tracing the fae food taboo child abductions and the connection between all paranormal paranormal phenomena and the boundary between life and death in his landmark ecology of souls 2022 and yes beyond the supernatural the dead is also very important as I mentioned with any UFO encounters and of course that means the liminal places the bar does the dark spirit worlds and so forth inseparable.
Now let's look at the IDH strengths and weaknesses. The strength accounts for full historical depth explains cultural shapeshifting takes paranormal correlates seriously explains deliberate elusiveness what are the weaknesses other dimensions is evocative but undefined and yeah I agree with that one is like okay see I mean it seems to say well it came from another dimension well what are the physics of this dimension people have five arms. I mean two arms and two legs in this dimension I mean what's going on it's like this just basket basket term we just throw that parallel dimensions into but don't ask any other questions and in reminds me you guys remember watching Superman and you would have this battle with this 5th dimensional in called Mister mixie pit pit elic yeah that was his name and
this being was so much more powerful than Superman the only way Superman could defeat him was by tricking this trickster into saying his name backwards but okay what is the dimension look like was it like ours anyway another weakness is a describes behavior without explaining mechanisms yes we know nothing about exactly who the moth men are except they show up and then bridges fall and that's it we just write it off. Does not address the biological interface in other words why are some people picked why do some people see them why do others don't we really don't know nobody has really made any effort and again we just going to throw it another waist basket term if you would so those are the problems with the with the idea to the interdimensional hypothesis if you would. Now we come to the demonic hypothesis whoo and that's become very popular today especially with right wing podcasters that's why I have that graphic of the the demon coming out and scaring the podcast bro who knows the podcast bro is probably an orthobro something talking about it but the demonic hypothesis and well even beyond the pot that what the podcaster took her.
Tucker Tucker Carlson has embraced this very recently our vice president jadey vans has done it of course Louise elizondo has embraced it and then all the hundreds of podcasts pros and influencers who are jumping on this bad bandwagon. So basically what it says is the demonic hypothesis proposes that you a p and entity encounters are manifestations of fallen angels or demonic beings as describe in Christian theology by sheer numbers it may be the most widely held interpretation on the planet over two billion Christians live in the world today and among those who take the phenomenon seriously the demonic interpretation is the default. It is actively shaped government policy senior pentagon officials have refused to investigate you a p data on the grounds that the phenomenon is demonic astronaut charlie do the tenth man to walk on the moon has publicly endorsed it so that's interesting yeah and I don't want anything about whether we went to the moon or not there's a tenth man and that's what you think.
So what are the strengths and what are the weaknesses the strengths correctly identifies the deceptive quality of the phenomenon the spiritual danger of careless engagement and warns against worshiping encountered entities what's the critical failure well it cannot account for the full phenomenon logical record the phenomenon predates Christianity by melancholy. So in the beginning many encounters produce increased compassion and spiritual death depth not corruption identical phenomenology is accepted within Christian context like Mary and apparitions that's not demonic or saints and rejected outside them this is special pleading so I think that should be a case close but yeah as you will find out you must be be aware of those beings and as the body of the world.
As Kevin book tells us start with your own shadow that's where the real demureges and that's where the real demure urge ends many times. The truth is that the phenomenon did not begin in 1947 something has been interacting with human beings for as long as humans have been recording their experiences the behavioral grammar is identical across millennia. So only the vocabulary changes we again have medieval fey encounter arrive at liminal times communicating riddles offer food that brings that brings you in abduct humans perform quasi medical procedures return abductees with missing time leave traces then dissolve. So modern abductive narrative arrive uninvited at night communicate telepathically in fragments administer strange liquids abduct humans with interest and reproductive biology perform medical procedures return with missing time leave marks that fade.
Where a medieval Irishman encounter the sit hay a modern america encounters gray aliens the behavioral script is the same script. The one phenomenon many costumes so we bring in cryptics and high strangers. Sasquatch encounters are riddled with the same markers as UFO and fey encounters telepathic communication strange lights electromagnetic interference a creature that leaves 14 inch footprints and then vanishes without trail is not behaving like a biological organism it is behaving like the phenomenon wearing a fur coat. Then we have kuchin synthesis Joshua kuchins argues that death is the threat connecting all paranormal phenomena UFOs goes ferries cryptics and near death experiences all cluster around the boundary between life and death those liminal places where you find hermys or heckety if you would.
And actually yeah just recently on a podcast with Greg carwood christinals agreed UFO and death are again inseparable as our UFOs and the supernatural. The deepest route the fake continuity is not a footnote to the UFO phenomenon it is the phenomenon's deepest historical route anyone who studies UFOs without studying fairy lore is looking at the top six. And then we have a six inches of an iceberg and calling it an ice cube and that's not the rapper. And I would agree so what is going on by odon's dingle berries who is behind all this UFO stuff what exactly is happening well again prepare as Janet said prepare you to have your minds expanded and reality now you're going to see the full gain and we will continue for members for non members please subscribe for the full yes for the full expedition to the final frontier and some amazing surprises and again the big
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