Sol Luckman on Postmodern Gnosticism & Destroying the Loosh Machine

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4:24fantastic parts of his upcoming book how to run down a dream inner alchemy for manifesting your best life. So thank you very much for coming back on the show. Thank you for having me, Miguel. It's an honor and a pleasure. I love your intro, by the way. Thank you. I figured you would. I think you would dig the vibe. Like the images and just the message you had a couple of really good one liners in there too. Good word smithing. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yes. And your book is when is it coming out officially officially January one it's available now as a pre order and as a free review copy for anyone who wants to read it and provide a review. I just go to my substacks all luckman dot substack dot com. There's a tab there that says run down a dream and you can look at all of that information there.

5:29Great check it out and of course it's always as always is on the show notes if you need to take a look whether you're watching on rumble YouTube any of the podcast providers or any of the subscription channels. I'm just to I am joined by mr. Graham ponds speaking of the seven days of reading Graham. How are you doing today? Oh, I'm doing pretty good. I'm looking forward to hearing from Saul about what we can do about the this loose farm. We're all stuck in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're all dinner. At least we can be honest about that. It's how to stop being dinner. I think that's but that's a question that's been going on for billions of years. Just now I think we have the means. Yeah, before yeah, as you mentioned in your books all it's interesting because again we want to focus on certain chapters and then when you come back at the end of the year and your book is out will be out pretty much around the same time.

6:33My David Bowie book will be out so be a double science fiction double picture show. I have a copy. Of course just ask yes, just ask or remind me. Yeah, we'll we'll get you know interditions is cool about that. Yeah, yeah, really, really enjoyed getting first dibs on that last time. What a great book that I quote in this new book. Awesome, awesome. Yeah, yeah, so there's a should be soon should be soon. My God follows already here, but anyway, also part of your book you talk about yourself and of course this year I have talked about my health issues with the artelio occlusive disease and other things, but you yourself. I didn't know that you went through some serious health issues too right that affected your mobility. Yeah, absolutely. I went from being kind of a very athletic type, very very seemingly healthy to having an autoimmune meltdown and spending the better part of a decade looking for solutions after getting booted out of the alopathic sphere with a depression diagnosis like that was what I was talking about.

7:47I was just like that was what was behind my 30 plus you know very physical symptoms, you know, I think so. So that led me down my my first shamanic rabbit hole into epigenetics and sound healing and DNA and how to activate it for healing. So and that was basically and so you're able to turn it all around right. Absolutely what I was able to come up with is what I think of as a ladder day example of the language of the birds, the alchemical vowel only language that William Henry writes about. And when I did that I all of my issues began to turn around and my symptoms began just sort of dropping off essentially what it is is I believe is a way of epigenetically activating yourself but not having to to do that with just your mind you actually change the coding in the field and maybe we'll talk a little bit about that with the Mandela effect and the holographic world that we live in this holocaust universe model.

8:54But there's a just a fascinating way of interfacing with the the coding of the matrix to change reality outcomes. Awesome yeah let's definitely talk about it for sure and yeah because I'm sure many in the audience would want to hear that yeah it wasn't it isn't it weird that one of the simple things in the world mobility that we take for granted and once that removed it really. It knocks you down a few pegs right simple things like taking out the trash or going for a walk or out and you feel you feel very small don't you so yeah it's brutal it's absolutely brutal I you know my heart has gone out to you and I thought about you have even thought about you know reaching out to you to tell you more about what you know I do in case it could help you and I'm not saying that it would I'm not a doctor I'm not making any claims i'm just saying it it's helped a lot of people I have a couple of. A couple of books on what is called regionetics the regionetics method the first book I published was conscious healing and then I brought that up with potentiate your DNA which is basically a how to text for doing this work on yourself you don't have to do it that way there's a free.

10:07monthly session that you can participate in and you can work with myself and my partner Lee individually those are you know different options but it's all the same thing what in terms of what you're getting the activation this epigenetic switch a route that I was talking about. yeah for sure for sure yeah definitely I mean luckily I have right now found the right path and I am about 80% better so. should get some results soon and see where we're going but I'm very blessed I'm very blessed the support of the people I'm very blessed that we you got admit it's nice. That we live in a time with so many different choices rights all so many holistic choices especially when you realize we're all different what works for you might not be for me but there are a lot of choices and there is a solution out there right. yeah I believe so and I'm open to a lot of synergy a lot of serendipity and also respecting your individual energy and your life path your healing path whatever that might be you know and it's going to be different for different people and that's fine I don't even I really don't even judge alopathic medicine in many instances because you know if I have an accident and I need you know.

11:29My brain operated on you know I don't necessarily want energy medicine to be my only fallback. I want to make sure it's mechanically taken care of so there's a place for all phases of that you know I know a lot of people really love to bash alopathic medicine and there's a lot that I don't like about it and a lot of blind spots but there are also strengths when used properly. Yeah for sure for sure well and as always if you have any questions for Saul including some of these modalities please super chat them if you are of course a member of YouTube or Patreon and grandma and I notice you of course we will take your questions as always. So I want to just out the potentially you DNA I think right now is like 99 cents on Amazon candle so it's a lot worth it. Yeah you can check it out for practically nothing. Check it out people go right there to Amazon as we speak.

12:34Awesome well let's get to let's get to some of that and not stick stuff one again we're focusing on chapter four and five and one of the topics which is very popular today is the idea of loose. Loosh has become extremely popular how would you define loose or what's your take on loose and yes I like to say loose I keep making keep talking so I can say loose one more time Saul but it's about loose. That's great well you know the funny thing is is that that that chapter that you're you're referencing opens up with a story of exactly how I defined loose. Because David Its last book he he quoted my novel Callie the destroyer which is a no. Anostic super yeah ready about the goddess and and you know the pleroma and all these other things.

13:38And in that book I he he used that as the the epigraph to his chapter chapter seven loose farm in his most recent book the road map. And so in that novel I defined loose as the hyper dimensional energy given off by the human soul when traumatized. And and then I added that the arcons parasitically feed on it because this this whole novel is a is about the struggle between a group of kind of neo nostics and and arcons so. So i've given that a lot of thought and in in my subsequent book starting with the world called to knew. And then tracking into the last book on interalchemy get out of here alive and now into this new book i've really been examining the the loose matrix from different angles and looking at sort of what it is how it works. So how how we're set up to to be blind to it or vulnerable to it and ultimately what we can do about it and I provide a lot of different tools and perspectives to help people who are interested in that subject.

14:52Yeah and for for the audience what comparisons would you say is to lose obviously the nostics would call it the divine spark but here you also compared to a gurgie of concept of as cockin. As coken. Yes, I think yeah, I guess it's a good mind. Yeah exactly tell us tell us about his view i never heard i heard of course about the kunda buffer which is his version of the mind parasite that organ that make sure we don't see reality or wake up but tell us about gurgies of you have loose. Well, this is probably where Monroe got the the concept of loose and so you have a Monroe of the Monroe Institute writing about this subject in his 1971 book journeys out of the body. And he he basically defines loose as any kind of emotional energy produced by organic life that is then harvested by entities from higher dimensions right.

16:00And the preceding his work preceding Monroe's work you have Gurgie from talking about something that he termed as coken as k o k i in. Very similar as a kind of energy that is harvestable but it also has for in gurgie of work it has a kind of transcendent aspect where it's not necessarily always just a negative it's just energy and it can be it can be it can pivot as it were. And then he wrote a few words that he wrote about the Monroe's early early take on loose had it being a very negative thing and it kind of set up the entire neo nostic dialogue around the arcons and everything and you know I think there is a tremendous amount of exaggeration and obfuscation and hallucination going on in that discussion to be completely honest to this day so I I offer my perspective in in. And I think it's a very interesting suggestion that it is a harvestable energy that that tends to be on the things that are on the lower emotional scale as I disagree very strongly with Monroe that it could include things like joy I feel like.

17:14Here heightened states I believe have nothing whatsoever to do with lushe but the more disjointed states that would fall down lower on like. You know David Hawkins is scale of consciousness you know that he wrote about in power versus four some years ago you go from these very heightened states that are almost like pure being then down into more normal emotions and then you. At the keep tracking down down down down down down and you end up all the way at the bottom with shame so in the model that i'm proposing the the ultimate energy that runs the matrix or that controls our experience of it is shame and we see that in the story of the garden of Eden where the first emotion that is experiences actually shame. Right about being naked that's interesting so because I think Monroe said the highest form of lushe would be love so you would even take that off the main the proverbial menu.

18:17Now we absolutely take it off the menu yes now the the idea here is that let's say you go to a concert and you are you know essentially worshipping the band on stage and you're having a really good time but that is not exactly a higher emotion. So that's a higher emotion necessarily that might be something that is harvestable if you're kind of giving away your power in that moment to you know being a kind of. Energy provider for the band and without sort of having your own personal boundaries intact then you're back down down the scale down the Hawkins scale somewhere. I guess for the audience who is harvesting and eating our lushe I guess the nostics would call it the arcons but tell us your take. Yeah I feel the resonance with that idea very much and I would add that.

19:18So I think that's where I where I tend to go off the rails for a lot of people these days is I don't necessarily see the arcons as separate from ourselves or as entirely negative meaning I believe they have a kind of evolutionary or to the even teleological purpose in mentoring us in what I think of as this school of extremely hard knocks this dojo of consciousness that part of us designed. So that we could create our souls in real time. This is another controversial subject in my book where I go into the work of John Keats who discussed he was on death's doorstep the dying of tuberculosis in the 1800s he was like 25 years old brilliant point brilliant mind and he was wrestling with transcendental thoughts and Christianity and other other strains of philosophy and religion that he was. Familiar with and he basically through Christianity under the boss and even Eastern religions under the boss by suggesting that you know we don't have an eternal soul and we don't have a repeating soul and what we have is an opportunity in this world to create a soul for ourselves.

20:39So that's it's almost like what courage once said and mortality has to be earned it's not a given. Right that's exactly right that would be a wonderful quote to include in this book I did not include that that quote but where I would where I would go with that is that this do this dojo this veil of soul making is a crucible. Is there you know in which we experience the refiners fire of the demi urges manipulate mental manipulations the simulated types of manipulations that we get into and we are up against ourselves it brings up you know elements of our shadow and we are here to use that that sparring energy to forge. Our soul in real time that's how I define individuation.

21:41So you can individuate and you can also then take that individuation and matriculate out of the matrix and that's actually becoming immortal and when you do that you have an opportunity. This is the kind of the goal of alchemy create the internal philosopher philosopher stone power up your immortal vessel your dream body then travel out on great adventures in interspace and eventually the goal of that journey is to refine yourself to such a point that you can become the center of a new reality experiment you can become. The chief of your own new new universe and dream it into being with your consciousness just like this one was dreamed into being by another consciousness ultimately it's all just us there's only one of us here. You know duality isn't is part of Maya it's part of the illusion that we experience it's useful as an educational tool and as a self referential tool and a self evolution tool if you like but it's not how things are really when you boil it back down there's there's one dude you know creating a fractal spin off of this reality show.

23:08Very true very true we all just fractals of something bigger so you would agree more with the hermeticis that this universe is sort of a he said it's a it's a cosmic gym it's a place of strengthening and I'm sure a place of knowledge to write of experience. Yeah I believe that I think the ultimately the knowledge the nosis and you write beautifully about nosis and the occult Elvis and I quote I quote you on that subject but what I wanted to say is that we we are in a position where that nosis is entirely self referential so when I've used the word postmodern or postmodern nozzatism what I really mean is that. It's it's a gnostic framework for looking at what we're up against who we are what the goals are that kind of thing there's an alchemical aspect to it of course there's a lot of alchemy and nozzatism and probably vice versa so it's kind of separate those things but in the process the nosis I believe that we come away with the most the most basic nosis is that it's all us it's all mind it's all the same.

24:25All imagination there is no real there we go searching down rabbit hole after rabbit hole looking for that one real thing that we can finally say oh that's the particle that's the elemental particle and we just we get they get smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller until there's just nothing there anymore and that's kind of how knowledge is. I actually like to spell knowledge GNO knowledge because it distinguishes it from this mental idea that we finally tracked it down in the rabbit hole we've injured we figured out the the mechanics the engineering of reality when there is no reality not in the final analysis there is empty space and imagination. At the same time you I mean you do quote Carlos Casan yeah that is the idea of the flyer very narcissistic right these be yeah these be I mean I always say don't worry about morality you know like what Nietzsche said it's all about aesthetics you know if we we let out a butterfly we're heroes but if we crush a cockroach or the other way if we crush a cockroach we're also heroes it's completely it's even though they're both bugs but we've decided.

25:42Which one is pretty which one is it but I always like to put it in terms of hunger energy has to consume and this universe is about everything eating everything and these parasitical beings are feeding upon us just like there were right now a billion millions of parasitical beings feeding on the flesh of Saul Luckman and the El Conor and funger you know what I mean everything's even everything so but these so you say these beings are not necessarily evil they're just feeding upon us but that's not a bad thing. Well it is if you get eaten of course you know I mean the value of the line in too much castenata would say that it's just about power tells a power that really really all of this is just and he would agree with I think enlarge measure with the dojo concept the idea that we're here.

26:42To build our power so that we can then go beyond this place and survive right as an immortal being really having having you know adventures in eternity essentially that's what he was writing about and then there was a more recent writer named John Criter who's written a series of books on inner alchemy they're quite brilliant the magnum opus trilogy I think it's called and he basically takes the work of castenata and breaks it down in an inner alchemy terms and so he's been very influential for me because the strength of his model is that you can learn to do all of this yourself you don't need a shaman you don't need a teacher you can do it all yourself. And essentially what this involves is two things that I write about this explicitly and how to run down a dream there's two activities and they're interrelated they're so intertwined kind of like the older boroughs that you ultimately can't tell them apart when you look at them long enough.

27:46But the first is the cultivation of power like in castenata and there's different techniques to actually bring energy, cheese, prana, kundalini, or going scalar portion into your body. And pack it down into your your donty in area basically such that it begins to take on a kind of energetic mass a kind of hyper dimensional piezoelectric effect begins to take place and it begins to form what has been called the philosopher stone and that becomes your battery pack for eternity. You combine that with learning how to imagine properly and specifically to imagine via dreaming awake which is another shamanic concept that brighter than takes into the inner alchemy realm and the specific activities that you can engage over a period of many months and even years to learn how to navigate the liminal space between being awake.

28:47And being asleep so that you can slip into a sleeping mode a kind of hypnagogic or however you would like to talk about it. You can slip into that mode while remaining fully conscious of what you're doing. It's like lucid dreaming but you never actually fall asleep and don't have to wake up. When you combine those two things then you have the tools to do what castenator was writing about when he was talking about going out into to the dark sea of awareness as he called it and survive in this predatory dreamscape. Yeah, they're actually very logical love it. And yeah, for those who have joined it, Saul Luckman is here discussing his upcoming book which will be out January 1st how to run down a dream inner alchemy for manifesting your best life. And yes, he is books always have excellent exercises somebody in the chat was talking about what when does the David Bowie book come out well no surprise January 8th his birthday.

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31:05So let me bring in Graham Graham what do you think about all this what's all has do you have a question and let me say loose one more time and take it away. Oh absolutely no no I had some questions for Saul as to he bases shame as this fundamental level and I was curious why the choice of shame over the ones that I find more popular for people picking either pain or fear. And we can follow up on that afterwards take. Yeah that's a really really good question and I'll back up a little bit and bring in just a part of my my journey as I was trying to get my health together years and years ago a couple decades ago I was doing energy work I was doing allergy elimination work on people who came to me suffering from sugar allergies and problems with Candida and autoimmune conditions and I was trying to go on the same time.

32:05And one of the things I did is I conducted thousands and thousands of kinesiological tests on clients so I'm talking about muscle testing and I began getting into you know all kinds of very interesting things that gave me a lot of food for thought and context for the work that I ended up doing in sound healing soil I would I would test people on vowels and DNA and different parts of DNA and how they lined up with the vowels and how they you know what emotions are in. And all this kind of thing I was testing people's chakras and I found that the the chakras lined up with the the oric bands the electric what I call the electromagnetic magnetic fields even though it's not really electromagnetic it was just hard to find a word you know to describe these things at the time this is two decades ago and even hard you should say something like torsion or hyper dimensional people's eyes cross in any case. I found working with a lot of clients over you know quite some time that that everybody has this this this this rift in their second chakra area and that's the sex chakra and I ended up calling it the fragmentary body and it's basically in my understanding it's where we leak most of our energy that is then fed on by these various parasites.

33:31And the emotion that's associated most strongly with the fragmentary body is shame now this was this was before I really got into reading David Hawkins I was around the same time but I hadn't digested that piece of his data and lo and behold when when you read power versus force shame is the is the bottom emotion and all of this. No it's the lowest emotion on the entire totem pole and so I then met a fascinating writer over on substect named Emma lions of the channel called trauma matrix and she has been working on this shame paradigm as a foreign installation for a very long time so that she calls this voice in our heads that's often shaming that's in putting us in our place the internet. And that is the voice of the arcan that we think is our own that's where all of this goes and gets very very fascinating so she has a technique called the break technique the break method for dislodging this voice of shame from your system and I describe how to do that in how to run down a dream and she of course elaborates much more on it on her channel over on substects so please check out trauma matrix so there in answer to your question Graham there are a lot of questions.

34:54There are a lot of reasons why shame is the obvious choice in this example fear being essentially a very often a survival mechanism not necessarily the opposite of love in fact it may be self love and that's a good thing if it keeps you alive but shame is always always a liability and always a negative emotion it's a race to the bottom in all instances. No, no, those very good answers and makes a lot of sense you know I still see fear as will more primal maybe a little lower on the chocolate ladder it sounds like what you're talking oh sorry go ahead salt. Oh, I was just going to say about you know kinesiologically clearly wasn't so it was it was I mean that's the other problem is the second chocolate is the same in everybody but there are these different energy families that where things move around so like fear in one family may be down in the first chakra and then another energy family it's up in the heart and this i'm talking about what's been called the 12 tribes basically but there are the I believe the 12 tribes are these 12 energy.

36:05So it's very complicated i'm just trying to say that it may be in some instances it's kind of lower down the chakra bandwidth like you're talking about and in other instances it may be higher. I'm talking I forget what castenate is actual term the human installation the social installation it's again it's I remember that that Dan Lawton I was interacting with him a few years ago he was doing more of continuing some a castenette is work on reddit where he was basically crowdsourcing it trying to teach the techniques to people and then trying to get back actual results from people were able to get success and how they were able to do it and stuff very interesting. Very interesting yeah but I was going to say part of my interest here is I know on a personal level you know my autism has been wired so i'm much more you know facts cause an effect over shaman blame where a shaman blame is like a secondary check that only kicks in for me if cause an effect is is that filter is is cleared first so that my relationship with that human installation all this kind of.

37:21Kind of different than a lot of people just just the way i'm wired. Oh that makes sense i mean i sense that you're wired differently and that that's cool so that thanks for explaining that. Oh yeah no my big challenge is how do i get along with other people it's not that either of us are right or wrong is we're different and how do we get along in the same world without killing each other too often. Yeah i was like we're different and thank goodness. Yeah. Exactly one of the aspects of just continuing real quick one of the aspects of loose that I always had is it was much more of a they're trying to harvesting people's bad choices. It's like it's it's like it's a temptation to have you make the inauthentic choice and when you make the inauthentic choice you're generating loose like when you go see that new. iPhone ad that with with those two celebrities like oh i just got it i got to go get it and then you go out and get one two it's like that that generates a loose the sort of the sense that I always had.

38:26Yeah i have no idea what you're doing no i do I share that very much and I even some of the things i have to say about loose aligned with that. Absolutely it's not just it's not just uh having an emotion that's somehow not it's it's all it's all it's all harvested it's an intentional harvest there are intentional manipulations in place designed to create reactions and when those reactions show up they're harvested like a crop. So I think i think you're spot on with that. Yeah i'm sort of it's the economic economist in me where i'm seeing the connection between loose and corporation corporations profiting so. Yeah that would be an example especially if it's you know not exactly a helpful thing they're offering. Which seems like most corporations these days but i'll take out here and let you and Miguel but get back on it thanks thanks all. Thank you. Good question and good questions at the same time i they also they are controlling our minds in your book you talk of course about the whole.

39:34The installing the of the us versus them mentality and i'm sure you agree with me saw that even though you and i have done shows talking about this it do you think it's gotten better or. Do they still have that much power with the population. You know that's um that's a really good question i i used to believe that we were in a kind of group evolution and we may be in some distant way. But i believe the primary purpose of the matrix is for individuals to metric matriculate right so so you individuate which is. You know if the dreaming god is sitting there and you're like the dreaming god's children are seeds a dandelion seeds that it's blown out and okay i'm going to blow a bunch of these into the world and see which ones can make it alright and that's and then i'm going to learn from the people the ones who don't and i'm going to learn even more from the ones who do and then so you get people who.

40:35They're no longer in PCs in a way they become. In sold so now they're like a person before that you who knows what they are they're not they're not complete yet they're not mature when they have finally individuated and have a soul then the next goal which only a few actually accomplish i want to point that out would be to learn how to exit the matrix alive. Dream body with their consciousness intact that's the next level and that's that's where you know the parent the dreaming god what i call the dreaming god and that's not she went necessarily that's just a kind of. Disgrace term for whoever is dreaming this experiment that's where that parent. Is most proud because now you have equal to excel the parent and you're going on to do something maybe even greater than this reality experiment because you know this reality experiment and now you're going to take your own experiences into another dream.

41:37So it's like going through a black hole and out of white hole it's it's that's kind of the that's sort of the in breath out breath that we're doing here when we talk about this trajectory. No make sense makes perfect sense i also love in your book you going back to shame and Adam and Eve being naked and that being that that primordial negative disease but. You also you you kind of change things of changing around but reinterpret you say that the garden of Eden sort of a prehistoric age where it was more of a dream time right and the apple was what was it. The conscious operating system moving or evolving with the to the ledge of the serpent or tell us about your view of the garden of Eden yeah so in this model i'm suggesting that the Eden. But the Eden was the was the proto human species when we operated from the unconscious truly the collective unconscious and we did not have individuality as we currently understand it so we were much more linked to each other.

42:50We had all of the power of the unconscious available to us we were you know powerful dreamers in the dream time but there was a part of us that wanted more that wanted to actually have more in of an individual experience of reality and this this I I suggest is symbolized by the Eve character and I use character very very on purpose. And the goal here was to was to somehow develop more of a sense of individuality so that actually invited the serpent into the garden and the apple it's very funny that we have apple computers and and apple because the apple was the new. Semi individualized operating system that the serpent or what I also called the dragon gave to Eve as her new consciousness her new individualized or semi individualized consciousness and the reason I say semi individualized is because that apple operating system was part of the serpent's own mind.

44:00And this is why we can be controlled by the archon who is the serpent in this in this model because we are using its operating system so when we think we can somehow outsmart it using its operating system that is madness. Yeah you call it the monkey mind or the inner narcissist from the serpent so how is humanity broken out or how does humanity break out of this. So let's go back to what Castanada and John Criter are saying they're saying you have to develop enough power to break the bonds and to and to basically shut up the inner narcissist when you do that and the castanator writes about this is what we do. And then you can see that the castanator writes about this as well you can go where eventually that voice goes away and you are just in silence all of a sudden this can be fascinating it can be terrifying.

45:01It can cause a mental breakdown when it happens usually that is not permanent because you get you get used to being with your own thoughts for the first time in your whole life. And that's kind of wild and being truly sovereign in your mind and then when you can combine that degree of power with a very athletic and skillful imagination the ability to dream and imagine things into existence basically performing miracles then you have you have the wherewithal to not be dragon food anymore. Makes perfect sense perfect sense and you talk it to also about the ghost in the machine tell us what is this ghost in the machine. Well, you know if you've studied that's a good question if you studied inner alchemy you know there is something called the tree or alchemy in general there's something called the tree a prematts like a recipe itself or mercury salt.

46:07And the concept here is that we are we have three levels of consciousness it's been popularized as conscious unconscious and and the and the subconscious basically so you've got these three three operating levels but if you look at it from the perspective of alchemy or inner alchemy what you have is this conscious operating system and biblically speaking that would be the sun. Okay, but it's but it's it's it's muddied up by the dragon's consciousness by the serpent's consciousness so it hasn't been cleansed yet and then you have the father which is the unconscious. And mediating between those two is the Holy Ghost which is the ghost in the machine and that is the magical mutant that is the part of ourselves that can heal at a distance and walk on calls and perform miracles can by locate can can. Time travel can do all these amazing things as you know we've documented over and over again you know like just just in just in the brevita triangle area there have been like 3000 disappearances and reappearances of ships and I mean it's just insane it's absolutely wild so there's all this paranormal phenomenon and personally with how that manifests is via the ghost in the machine so the way that came into being was.

47:36During this idinic moment when the apple was accepted and placed in as our operating system it pushed down the unconscious that's why we can so it have such a difficulty accessing all of that reservoir of power and knowledge because it was the operating system pushed it out of our awareness and nearly out of our reach. But at the same time if third part of our consciousness was created that was not intended by the dragon or the serpent and that is the ghost in the machine that's our magical mutant that's the gnostic in us that's the crazy person that's the that's the the weird going pro and it has the ability and that is also our dream body so if you think. If you want to visualize it you should visualize the ghost in the machine as yourself in dreaming form. Hmm very interesting but it's not it's not something you don't have a connection to you see it every night.

48:42That's amazing yeah for example i'm definitely going to use the exercises about shame and the voice in your head. I know was it got the m alliance the break method and I know even this year working with friends and monastic which and of course you've got the voices of shame telling you're no good especially when you're really sick your vulnerable you're not moving things are just going to hell death and that and they just told me whenever that voice comes you tell it to f off that's all you need to do just tell it to. f off or tell it to have a seat at the table and behave like a good dog and I started doing it it started working oh yeah. More fire than you are just say you know fuck off yeah there they're really two approaches to this and I haven't I haven't really written. About the second approach very much one is one is Emma's approach to dealing with various types of things including shame.

49:45And that works for a lot of people and she you know her testimonials are amazing people really get a lot out of her work the potentiation work that I do as well help seal the fragmentary body which is is the area associated with shame in our energetic anatomy and when you seal that fragmentary body it helps push some of that out and makes you less susceptible to the voice of the internet are so. Over time you can shed a lot of the residue from having had that operating system in place for for your entire life but there's also if you look at studies that are going on right now and neuro plasticity and what's called neural circuitry disorders. We see that that the brain when it gets into a survival state which most people are in and this is back to the loose issue we are we are engineered manipulated to be in a survival state so it's fight or flight. When that happens the brain begins to see threats everywhere and then it turns up very small stimuli and creates symptoms or thoughts or OCD behavior or.

50:59It's like this or anything it can create anything to try to get your attention to tell you hey you're red lining you're in a survival state you need to bring everything back down because this is not how you will be able to live very long you won't have longevity you won't have health and in that instance when people have not been able to use a more young approach like breaking free you know sometimes it's appropriate to to accept or allow. What's happening as a way of calming down the nervous system until you have more capacity to do something like the break method. So it's a bit of a fine dance and I didn't get into all of that in this in this book because really that's the next book I want to write where I bring that back around to regionetics in potentiate your DNA there's a whole chapter called the art of allowing and it's the very my very initial thoughts on this subject. Interesting interesting yeah the art of allowing reminds me of Esther Hicks I think she talked about that too.

52:06Yeah it's stuck in my every time I turn on my podcast app in the car she comes up and my kids laugh and I can't change it's like a ghost in the machine where she talks about the art of my kids are like daddy got some karma you need to figure out is let go I already read this you know I did this audio book. The universe speaking well you can see how you know they're make up there there's a boundary issue here there's there's telling the arc on to f off there's you know all of those things right and that's cool and and that and when that works awesome and I think it works a lot of the time. But there might be instances for certain people at certain stages of life when the only thing they can really do is just sit and be with whatever is. And that also can begin to shift the terrain it's a more in approach if you will and sort of a woo way approach that just allows you to shift things by doing an internal shift as opposed to going after whatever appears to be external that's bothering you.

53:11No it makes sense again we're all different and as a Rudyard Kipling famously said failure and failure and success are the two biggest imposter in the world. So don't let the voices in your head take you one way or another as somebody who's manic depressive those voices can take me to some horrible places and I've learned just until both you know chill out shut the fuck up sit down at the top. Sit down at the kitty table and enjoy the ride and it's really help me but that's me that's me that's a solution and that's we all have different ones as we get to the top of the hour any last questions on your end gram. I was going to say I was listening to Saul go about his take on the Garden of Eden and I just gave my interpretation of Genesis and as I said there I'm always interested in in a new interesting interpretation of the Bible or scripture of it.

54:13And one of the things that jumped out of me that I was wondering about is when I read Joseph Campbell's Mass of God for books series back in the day it was very eye opening when he explained about the suit about the Sumerian Babylonian or original version of that myth where you had the tree of knowledge and you had the snake. But the whole point was you needed to be worthy of getting past the snake and eating from the tree of knowledge and it wasn't that this was a forbidden thing this was what somebody was supposed to do this was a goal to be achieved. And I was curious you know this is clearly is you know as Campbell said an inversion you know the the more Jewish Christian Garden of Eden is an inversion of this I was curious what your take was on the significance of that inversion and how much of what we're talking about about this human installation came apart came about as part of the switch from that original version back in Babylon to more of the Garden of Eden where you're breaking the word.

55:25And it was almost like a pre-same version. That's brilliant brilliant question you're on you're on it to take. You know you have if you look at John Lash's work on the subject it's very interesting I mean he essentially tracks the the insertion of the arctic mind starting with Judaism. And to you know like a really bad scene with Christianity and then essentially metastasizing his word in in Islam. And it's interesting to look at the you know those Babylonian origins of what Campbell was writing about and I do briefly touch on this in this book. And the absolutely see it as an inversion that's part of the arctic installation that is being detailed in the Bible and the story of the Garden of Eden it's very very funny but it doesn't tell you that it's inverting anything of course but that's what it's doing because that's what our cons do.

56:35And the way you know some inversion is if you know the original right right so there's obviously they're not going to tell you hey check out our source material. Yeah no they certainly won't do that somebody in the chat said sound like a Tom Petty fan how did they figure you out figure you out so I don't know. Yeah they did are you are you are you joking about the title of the book it's like running down a dream how to run down a dream. Oh is that from Tom Petty yeah that's that's the whole introduction to the book is about my breakdown of the lyrics of running down a dream. Okay and have you can read it that yeah I think that it basically tracks to the three master manifestation keys so you have the dream dreaming light which is just a worldly goal and you know you can really run it down that way and then you have the ability to dream a different life for yourself which is sort of reinventing yourself.

57:42But beyond that there is the possibility that that either you know either the musician in this case Tom Petty was aware of this or not the lyric writer but he opens up the possibility as I decode the lyrics that there's also the ability to do miracles to do the impossible that that's the other third level of dreaming or running down a dream. Yes of course now remember the song and you know Tom Petty was hugely influenced by Elvis. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Tom Petty lived very close to where I he had a Florida place not not far from where I am and I've driven by it many times. No yeah yeah he left us way too young so did Elvis but absolutely. That was like around 2016 when all the people were dying yeah yeah yeah. Your friends Boey everybody was just dropping dead yeah.

58:46Long man. So I mean there's so much more we can talk about but I know you have a hard cut off here and I don't I don't want to keep you out. I do want to thank you for having me on again I mean I love talking to you it's like a you know you you have one of those minds and an ability with words that I really admire. Oh thank you thank you thank you very much yeah. I don't think my wife thinks there's much between my years but I'm glad you do. And yes and of course we will talk again in probably December or January so we will have the second part. And we will cover much more of this wonderful modern doses healing and all that stuff and I'm sure the world will be even a stranger place but we are. We are at the end of first I'll say Graham thanks for keeping this company. I will never say don't come around here no more to you. You know Tom Betty.

59:46No always a pleasure always a pleasure it's great to interact with Saul and you know if your loose is going to get farmed at least get a good price for it. The loose is on fire. Well Saul yes always enjoy talking to you good luck with everything where you obviously see you want to send people to your sub stack it's on the show notes you want to mint. It's right there Saul Luckman dot sub stack dot com. Yeah check it out there's lots of good lots of good stuff there. Yeah yeah it's got a whole world videos memes articles audio just a whole multimedia experience if you want to approach Saul and his work and healing and any capacity that you like. Oh yes Saul really appreciate you coming here yes let's say one more time. Loosh. The God of the loose.

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