Offense vs Colts Part 2

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2:04Hi folks, welcome to another episode of Film Study. This is Ken McKews. I'm Ken McKews. I'm going to back for part two of our discussion of the offense in this big opening day when it gets the Colts 41 to 23 in Indianapolis. I tell you what, this sort of matter of shot and foray that comes. We're seeing Colts fans kind of despairing over the game and there are a lot of nice shots of the crowd hands on head, you know, just sunken, long faces and whatnot. And I got to say I was reveling in every part of it. But Jason Smith, joining me from a huddle it up films, Jason, how are you doing? Did you partake in that shot and foray? I will say that I have a habit of Saturday night usually, you know, the night before the game, I finally get to the point where I can consume content of the other team. You know, like all my work is done and Saturday night, I'm just fired up for the game. So let me hit up, see what some of the what the Colts speed reporters are saying.

3:04And some some of the people that do what we do are saying, man, they were awful confident, cocky, you know, I always get a kick out of the Lamar stuff, how they see Lamar. But this was more like, you know, I'm looking at the Ravens receiver room, they got nothing like their passing game has nothing. The Forest Buckner, that was the one that, you know, I was worried about the Forest Buckner versus Vega, you want a and Jovon Gwen, the band is there. Yeah, we saw that, but no respect for the Ravens defense and bringing up how Stike input up 38 and they were borderline, you know, cocky, a lot of them. And of course they don't study the Ravens, but they I don't see it, you know, because I think a lot of people just go by the skill position players, you know, there can resolder, you know, they got safe flowers. He's good, but he's not really that good. They have nobody else. So yeah, that's a little satisfaction. You know, I don't comment, you know, and I mean, I don't comment on them. I just let them go. But I do.

4:04You're a lurker. And plus, you know, the team left when I was eight years old, well, before I turned eight. So I did have that actual like I remember it, I was heartbroken, you know, I'd burnt Jones, put us to roll my wall and all the whole nine. So of course, there will always be a little bit of grudge against Indianapolis, although I will say it's faded over the years because I'd rather I'd rather be a Ravens fan. We're very lucky to be rid of the airsays and have Steve Bishaddi here, owning the team in town. That's that's for sure true. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right, let's talk a little bit of scheme. Some results too. As we go through this, they a lot of this is about the running backs, but they played Henry 37 out of the 68 snaps. He'll be of the 31 didn't play any pony. Roshina Lee did not see the field, although we saw several nice shots of him on the sideline. I thought, you know, it was during the game. So his presence was understood, but he never got in the game on the offensive side of the ball. You in the first half of the show, you mentioned about the yards before contact for Henry. I heard the same thing quoted. In fact, Rob Long was asking me about it this morning.

5:12I had come in with the number over four yards per carry and I thought it probably had to be definitionally based the Jaco number from from yards after contact number from PFF is at 4.3, which is a very, very high number. And that was despite a kind of a low mistakels force, which is what I really want to talk about with Derek Henry had three mistakels forced on 24 tackles. Sorry, 24 carries today, which is a rate of 0.12518. That is not very good. In fact, his career low is 0.14. He did that last year when he had kind of a, you know, that was the that was the Achilles heel in his in his Russian game. And in his rookie year, he was that low. But for instance, in 2024, he was at 0.24 per play. So he's breaking tons of tackles. They brought in Eddie Faulkner as a coach this year. Eddie Faulkner is the ultimate tackle breaking guru in the NFL. He really understands, you know, leverage how to keep keep your feet, contact balance. The things to go into breaking this tackles probably teaches a stiff arm pretty well too.

6:22The great job with the Pittsburgh running backs in terms of having a passing game, mostly a short passing game that effectively was an extension of the running game, getting them into space and having the break tackles. Jalen Warren, Naji Harris and Gainwell, all terrific tackle breakers. And the various shapes and sizes, but are all terrific tackle breakers. I really hope that he'd have a big impact on Derek Henry coming here. I think that he does. I think, you know, Miss tackle rate is just is just one one thing. That's what we're talking about here, obviously, but you know, Derek Henry's been in the league, you know, so long, you know, Willie Taggart, I'm sure taught him things that he takes with them, just like every other running back coach to these had that coach. So, you know, I like the Faulkner higher, it's something different. And, you know, hopefully we get to see like those Pittsburgh backs were used in the in the past game. A lot, you know, and let's be frank, these DBs will get you. They will get to you, excuse me, I'll make contact with you, but they're easier to break tackles compared to, you know, a linebacker one on one, no space to really juke where you just have to go through the guys.

7:32So, yeah, you know, with Derek Henry, I also wonder if these stats are skewed to the two really long runs. Right. Yeah, like a 22 yarder in the long touchdown. We're talking about the Jaco now. Right. The Jaco to where it's like, okay, it's only one mistack. It's only the only force one mistackle, but the yards after contact are really high. So maybe those two plays, I'm saying skewed the is the difference between those two numbers. Could be it's 24 carries. I would think the longer the carry you have some additional chances to make mistackles down the field, but you know, you can have that 87 yard running its buffalo a couple of years ago was all yards per four contact basically. I tossed out of that side. Anyway, I don't want to get too deep into it. It obviously it's not enough data for me to be really excited about it. The big number, I think I'm excited about your can is on pace for 408 carries right now, which he won't get there, but 24 carries a game is a very, very heavy workload. Nice to see him work, work through it with relative ease.

8:35You know, this is a good time to bring up Adam Randall who we're not going to talk about too much on this show, but I have a feeling that that's the that's the plan there can. It's that you know, we saw just a silver on in this scheme. And it's just it's just not the same, but I think Adam Randall could have success in this scheme. So look, you lean on there, can we for the first four weeks or hour long Randall's going to be out. Then when you bring it back, you know, maybe you give Randall a series or two or maybe you have him end of game that's a blowout. If we get up on say the Falcons by three touchdowns Adam Randall gets a series here and then he gets another series, you know, every other series or something like that to where you can give Derek Henry's 300 carries, which is still a heavy workload, but you know, you know, you're not crushing him. Right. He pick up 60 carries himself and and do something even if Derek Henry gets 300 Randall is clearly the insurance policy is a bell cab back because if anything happened to Henry, they don't they don't have that guy right now on the roster unless it's Randall. It ain't all agreed. Yeah.

9:35All right. What else to say 58.3% success rate for Derek in this game. I love to see that anytime you you know you're in the mid 50s or higher. And he'd been a 56.1% and he's two great years he's had for the Ravens 49.3% is career at Tennessee. So he's off to a great start this season in terms of having runs that keep him up with the stick. So nice job in that category in this game. I thought especially impressive because you know, obviously the Ravens had a boatload of points at halftime. What was a 31 points at halftime. So in the second half, there were a lot of predictable. Yes, rushing, you know, rushing plays rushing, you know, yards. So for him to have that kind of success rate. When for most or half the game in the inapolis kind of was playing the run is impressive. Yeah, great, great point. And even on the final drive. They knew it was coming. And I don't even think at that point. They knew it was coming and they couldn't stop it. They knew it was coming and they didn't really care to stop it.

10:39Yeah. You know, and you know, it's a loud nine yards on first down and then they allowed another seven and they knew that all they had to do was basically give up a first down and then they could go home. You know, I saw some lack of effort from the corners quite frankly. You know, the first touchdown. It just didn't look like Saul Skaartner went to fight off that plaque and just take one Henry in a situation where he's going to give up the touchdown pretty much anyway. Probably. It's just not worth the risk on my body to go diving in there for the 1% chance. I cause a fumble or something. So yeah, he does wear on you, man. He brings that intimidation factor, which is rare at the NFL level. The 32 yard touchdown was was more blocking by them, right? I think it was zero. He was blocking right in the corner down by the corner. I'm trying to I'm trying to remember. Yeah, I think it's can't buy them. So so he's a he's a safety, right? I mean, I guess my recollection. So he's a guy who should be big enough and physical enough to try and take on Derek Henry, but doesn't mean what's to.

11:41Now, and he's their free safety too. I mean, maybe that's because they have inexperienced players elsewhere. So he's got to play the back end. I do think that that was by them in that last level. Gap and zone. You happy with the with the division of that you liking the new very, very heavy zone weight in this game. Love it love it. I mean, it fits Derek Henry. Again, you can see the difference for someone who is a pro at just running that scheme. And you know, compared to to justice, and I don't want to bash on justice. He'll too much machine. I'll leave, by the way, I think his best work, at least on the college level was in outside zone run. Because if you noticed, Roshin Ali never looks like he's in a hurry. He have people that question his speed and things like that. He's just a very paid right. He's just a very silky and patient type of guy. Nonetheless, you know, we ran out of the pistol for a touchdown with Lamar. So I love the way we mixed up the running game while still keeping the outside zone as our as our bread and butter. And we saw what eight pulls in the game, but they're all singles. So one of the hallmarks of the offense for really the last two coordinators, both in the Roman era and in the end in the market era was to have lots of counter plays where they would have two guys pulling either center tackle or center guard.

12:58Yeah, center guy, the side tackle center guard. No, no, center tackle a guard tackle, right. And they didn't they didn't really do that at all. They didn't do it even one time in this game. So they've more or less converted away from power. They still ran it about a third of their place that they that they had, but but it's a lot of it's a lot of zone and they're really committing to it. You can kind of see it coming in the in the preseason in terms of the drills they do for the offensive line and much more of these zone exchanges as opposed to like typical power combination blocks. And it's a, you know, it definitely they've gone more even more than I thought they would in the direction of zone. I'll say that by the way, Ken, I want to I want to add this. I was impressed with not only the way that you want a and win in Simpson got off the ball Roger Rosengarten was just ridiculous with his ability to reach block three tech and just cross that guy's face. Yeah, but also, but also can.

14:01You know, one a lot of these zone runs. I mean, it's not man blocking the almost the definition of zone is that you got your zone and the defense will often change the picture on you. So this guy will will run blitz. This guy will intentionally cross somebody's face off the snap. So that picture changes in a hurry or can change in a hurry. The mental preparedness of these guys, you know, as I from the physical skills was just awesome. And I thought John Simpson really stood out in this level to where, you know, these defensive linemen or linebackers could do something different. Then you would normally see off the snap and those guys adjusted and took care of their zone past off guys beautifully. So it looked just really well coached. And I didn't see that during the preseason, you know, I was a little disappointed in the offensive line during the preseason. Well, they were dealing with the starters or a continuous group. I saw it. I mean, that's part of it. It's true. But we weren't we weren't dealing with starters on defense either in that damn sure look like a Jesse made defense.

15:03I didn't see a Dwayne led for the offensive line in the preseason. And man, they came out and it just looked beautiful. Yeah, you got a different right tackle every week. You've just signed off the street. You know, David Sharpe or a denigy or whatever. There's some there's some limiting factors. But I agree with you. I think that there's a bigger drop off sometimes between the ones and the twos in terms of adaptability required by zone. And the reason is that if you're an offensive line, then you've learned at a very young age how to run power. Zone is something that that comes along usually a little later. I'd say in terms of your football development. So the power, the primary thing you have to do learn how to make combination blocks of line is cramage. Learn how to climb effectively learn how to take your cues on one is the appropriate time to climb. And then look for work in level two and know where your primary is your secondary and what you should be looking for. Set your eyes right in level two and that offensive lineman that can master some very basic skills there can execute that fundamentally soundly. And I think those stay with you more like riding a bicycle than some of the complexities of zone you're talking about. And one of the things is, you know, the notion that either have to get in front of a guy or guy can't cross your face or he does.

16:12You know, you know, the guy who's ahead of you in the elephant parade needs to know to block him with his back sometimes, which by the way we saw some Rosengarten in this. Yes, very effectively. It's just a lot more to it in terms of it's not as easy. I think if you're one way you're riding a bicycle, maybe together, you're riding a motorcycle or something where it's just. 100% right the easiest way when you're starting kids it's it's one on one. And of course it just builds up from there because it had a unit that well coach to spend that time the chemistry. It was just awesome for a group that you know is playing together for the first time in a live game, you know, with Stanley and Rosengarten out there. It just it looked really well executed. And I will say to Ken just the last note on this. The combo blocks the duo all that stuff look pretty tight to like there wasn't a lot of space between the offensive line and they look like they were hit the hit. Drive in some guys, I think their results vary from time to time, but very technically sound and very well timed.

17:14Definitely had some highlight combination blocks in this game, not not a large number, but maybe three or four to spread about the line as a whole. Why do we jump into the offensive line right now? I'm going to just toss out a synopsis out there at the top years that Lamar took two sacks in this game and the offensive line was responsible for slightly more than half of that. They had a one half of one and two thirds of the other as I saw it. They allowed four pressures in the game otherwise and one quarterback hit. And that's on 26 past plays that's really not bad as a as an overall result for 26 plays. The thing that was bad was that they were flagged five times and that cost the offense a lot. They they were fortunate to get away with it in a game like this. So they scored 3.42 points per drive anyway, but they should have had, you know, another 10 to 14 points from the drives that got stalled by probably by the offensive line alone. And then you toss in the hill drive that the stalled he stalled with two penalties. It was it was an ugly game for offensive offensive penalties.

18:16I would say it's my second biggest concern. Zays healthy and number one injuries. And you say healthy. You say healthy and and depth on the offensive line as well. So that's face we had to keep our guards in center healthy, but our guards, especially healthy, but tackles the whole thing. Yeah, the penalties can't afford to shoot ourselves in the foot like we did. We play a better team where maybe we're not as much on our game. Maybe we're we're a little off that day and it's a closer game. This penalty is going to catch up. Alrighty. So Ken, going into the offensive line performances. My favorite player of the game when the offensive line was Roger Rosengard and we just talked about him. The outside zone fits him well. I think it was one of the more complete games that I saw from Roger that yeah, there were a couple of plays. Whether they were counted as a pressure or not where I felt like he was getting bullied or pushed back, but as the right tackle. You know, guys who are rushing over your side when Lamar Jackson is your quarterback have to be disciplined. So that's not as much of a concern.

19:19But I think they were really able to weaponize Roger Rosengarden as a run blocker. Love his game and would love to hear what you had to say on him. Yeah, so I'll give you my scoring straight off the bat here 60 plays 55 blocks. He missed three. The whole game, which is good. I had one and by the way, backside of run plays is where it's very easy to miss blocks, particularly on zone run plays, but even maybe even more so on power run plays because it's just not necessarily anybody to block in your general vicinity. So you can be chasing the play and get a zero quite possibly. So guys who can figure out how to make a contribution in that case can do very well. And that's one of the things I think you mentioned the reach bark that that Rosengarden made where he he basically got all the way around the tackle. I believe it was to basically seal him back towards the right side of the field. That was that was a very nice play there and it's one that you have to be a fairly athletic tackle to be able to make and that is you know, Rosengard has done some things to improve his stamina this off season.

20:25But I think he says he's really committed to becoming a better run blocker in this game. Really good first dividend on it because he did a lot of things well. So besides the half a pressure gave up I give him for two thirds of the sack. All he did really on that play was give up the initial pressure. So I was kind of going between well should be half the sack as Lamar kind of held the ball. And then if I made somebody else give up a portion of this and then now that wasn't really the case that the Yawada or whoever had given up the additional second guy that made that made end up making the sack. It was after three seconds. So I said now I'm not charging him with it. And then you know basically I came down I couldn't come up with a better division of it the two thirds to Rosengard and then a third to Jackson. So anyway that that's how I went with it. 50 points for the game point 83 per play. Adjustment was point 0.06 now part of the reason he gets a high adjustment in this game first of all you had a lot to on his side that he was dealing with these the best outside guy that Colts have to offer. And he had three blocks in level two that's good for a right tackle five pancakes which might be the highest total of his career I have to go back and check that against the games the last two seasons but five pancakes very unusual for anybody in a game.

21:36He had one of one on polls and that was an actually an outside poll to the right and he had one highlight box so really good game from Rosengard and I thought if you have that I'm scored fairly low in this game both I mean they probably had him for a you know B minus game and I thought he was a pretty solid A. Agreed agreed so what about our other tackle Ronnie Stanley what did you think in his debut in the system you know for me Ronnie I just I would say that it was about expectations maybe a little bit below average you know he was facing Arden Kee who a lot of the game who is a professional player a smart player you know lacks the physical skills but Ronnie's a smart player. Ronnie's a veteran player so I kind of expected him to do a better job overall handling Arden Kee primarily and you know I I would just say from a season perspective while throw that in before I kick it to you I'm just I'm just hoping Ronnie can have a healthy season and and give us average left tackle play step up when it's needed and you know make himself a better part of the run game and I would be pretty happy with that.

22:45I mean I think if if first of all when you're on the wrong side of 30 you definitely want an offensive line man anywhere or really pretty much a player anywhere to maintain the level of the previous years all you can ask and and to beat father time continuously like that is really something special and that's why you know player like Derek Henry who you know beat it like a rented mule is first year with the Ravens then beat it really again in a second year at the Ravens appears to be on the way to beating it again yet for a third year is so darn special Henry I sorry I it case for Stanley he missed some blocks in this game he had six missed blocks part of that's being on the backside of zone plays he had one quarterback hit aloud a lot of half a sack the big play which cost him a bunch of points with the chop block and I think what I here's what I think I think happened on this play is Simpson through a took the opportunity probably is looking as a poem and try to figure out what might work and say let me throw a cut block on the guy on this play the ball is supposed to be out quickly or whatever throws a cut block and then Stanley without really thinking about engages with the player up high and that's all you need to do to have a chop block you can't block alignment low and high used to be the consecutive line man were allowed to do that to defensive lineman but they changed that rule a few years ago and you you can't anymore so that's a chop block and by the way Ken very dangerous play like I'm glad they have that rule out because this was an in not in not innocuous and accidental not a very dangerous but

24:14there was some offensive lineman back in the day he would go out and it looked like they were purposely trying to hurt the defense of lineman by engaging them up top and coming at their knees sideways so no problem with the call no problem with the rule it was just I'm with you it was just kind of an accidental thing right there it was it was kind of a fluke and and honestly I don't here's the part that really bothers me I don't remember the Ravens throwing a cut block in 10 plus years now I'm not seeing maybe never ever ever but basically you know we're looking at every single block over I've looked at every single block over the last 20 years by the Ravens and it used to be something they would employ in the early 2010s like right around 2010 I remember they they're giving us a jets and Michael or was here and they had multiple guys cut blocking on the same play occasionally and the Ravens have totally cut that out and part of the reason I think they did it was to get rid of the chop block you know killing a drive basically right away is that's 15 yard penalty and it's a really serious foul

25:14and so I think Simpson is probably remembering his last two years with a jets and saying well this has been effective location let me try this on an ad lib basis without really kind of putting the dots together that the Ravens don't allow this and I think it's been I think probably they have put a moratorium on it for years and Simpson just kind of forgot himself which unfortunately has been part of Simpson's penalty issue in the past and I will say this there it happened again in level two another play where Simpson pushed a guy from behind who was already engaged well I they don't normally call a chop block there but they could have and that was kind of an interesting you know case where I thought that you know he's fortunate that we don't didn't get called on him now gotcha that makes total sense that it was Simpson just kind of go off script maybe you didn't feel like he could reach the guy properly and just decided to go for the cut yeah I thought it would just thought it would be more effective I mean that's okay it's just you got to be you got you got to understand play by your the rules of the team because the rules of the team are what the other line mentor depending on so while Stanley got that penalty I do support looking at that one and saying if he hadn't had the that penalty what would have scored been he would have had a C grade for the game if he if he avoided that seven point penalty lost there as it was he got 37 points and he thought I'll start to point 62 per play and

26:36had a small adjustment right in the middle of the D range he would have been right in the middle of the C range if he hadn't had that penalty did have three blocks in level two did not honestly if I if I'm going to say one thing about him this year that I didn't really that he really see I don't I still says smarts at the line of scrimmage in order to like engage two blockers in a row at the end of the line knows how to pass one off inside and take the outside guy so there isn't pursuit on a run block that's going in the other direction but there's not a lot otherwise he can do mobility wise it doesn't seem I think he may have lost a little bit of a step. Since last year when I thought his mobility was fairly decent. Yeah the last two years I thought that was probably the best part of this game so we mentioned John Simpson playing next to Stanley and I see you have here at yeah spoiler I have access to Ken's notes here and grades seven misblocks that seemed a little high high to me honestly I don't chart them like you do I thought he had a pretty good game. It wasn't it wasn't a bad game at all I mean he's a C plus game overall he didn't get charged with the penalty you know that that went to Stanley so he didn't have any penalties by somebody made the point that five five penalties on the Ravens offensive line and none of them to John Simpson you know kind of one of the odds and it's a good point he did allow one and a half pressures in the game there was it was early pressure by the way this was one of the plays of the game that was that actually makes it kind of a hard judgment call on an individual pressure.

28:00But in the end there's only this really only half a pressure involved this I didn't feel bad about the number of points that got exchanged here but we're going to be transparent about it is that there's a play where Gwen makes no block which is bad in of itself and Simpson has his arm out as if he's making like like the supporting right arm block where he's been scanning for his activity from center to right you know is there is there a stud is there a blitz coming I'm my next move is to go you know give a help block to the left tackle. Look like it is because he had his arm out like that I thought well that that probably was Gwen's responsibility. Gwen is the lesser you know veterans that veteran since he's status at least a fourth year player and he's played with lead for it I think it was probably his job to make that block so after I looked at it a couple times I moved half a pressure over to Gwen instead of Simpson but the guy just ran right between them and what made Simpson look a little guilty is that he turns around as soon as the guys right passed him to his right and kind of chase his after which is part of part of the e-mote you look for a player to kind of sign the blame for that I remember that play and I I signed it in my mind to win.

29:09Okay just for the same reason you said that isn't Simpson has right arm out feeling for if he had to take on somebody who was winning against wind to that side he didn't expect a free rush or coming. So and then you looked at the numbers it wasn't like when was doing anything like a one on one blitz like that that seemed like when's got me but yeah. Yeah completely completely agree and then one of the pressures of Simpson allowed he had his head down on a block this is just a really bad technique issue but he was helping. Gwen to his right on the block but he put his head down in so doing and then of course that's the play where the the middle linebacker comes on the blitz through that left big gap and he's not picking it up and so he just just it's it's a player which which generates a processing error effectively because he can't possibly react in time to to that player. All right so Simpson anyway that's all the events we've talked about the right here you do have three blocks and level two two pancakes five out of six on polls for John Simpson's he's only guy who is asked to pull significantly on the night a lot of those are our past plays by the way that the Ravens are trying to reconstruct the pocket with a pole something I think I'm going to think of the 2008 and 2009 Ravens great offensive lines by the way the two best in Ravens history for my money and they they did a lot of polling to reestablish a part of the game.

30:32I'm not talking a lot of their scheme from an unbalanced line that Ravens I think they had one unbalanced in this game but they also had several six man lines. Yeah they had an unbalanced right on the very first drive the five yard touchdown run was unbalanced with Stanley on the right side. Yeah that's that's it the five yard it was Lamar touchdown run was unbalanced with Stanley on that right side so they were decide Lamar left to was just one just the guard on that side with a tight end covering them off. Love it. Did you give your grade on Simpson? Oh I'm sorry Simpson got a C plus for the game. Okay okay excellent. What about Joe Vaughan Gwen? We'll save the rookie for last I guess. Yeah to me Ken Joe Vaughan Gwen it was like a extremely high grade in the run game and the opposite for the past game. He kind of looked like a mini linder bomb out there where it was you know ball of fire off the line very very active and then in the past game you know was overwhelmed everything wasn't always clean so it's a tell it to things I think you know my opinion here will be that.

31:44When you get Ethan Postick he is going to be more of that like where the Ravens were looking in the draft it you know different kind of centers and there were a lot of smaller undersized guys like Jovon Gwen you know you're Logan Jones from Iowa for example and some other guys. Ethan Postick to me is kind of like the Jake slaughter of the group where he's he's not explosive enough to move people but he's he's big enough to prevent movement and he'll get to his spots. So I think that when Postick is healthy maybe he could be the better choice because I think he will be the better pass blocker but at the same time Gwen does have something to offer as a run blocker. Yeah I'm with you and Postick is really the technician of the group I'll go through Gwen quickly 51 out of 60 blocks we missed seven he gave up two half pressures frankly you know if there weren't other people to share those pressures you probably a little look the little worse on the game there. He also got ran out of a pressure early on by Lamar in fact the third and 16 play he and Stanley basically gave up a shared another shared pressure but Lamar ran him out of it for the for the run so.

32:46I took a hit on each of them in their in their adjustment score but I didn't charge him with a pressure there and then of course he had the holding panel leads very costly and particularly when you get a hold at center that's going to cost you. At least a full grade level and sometimes a little bit more particularly in a game that's not particularly not not very long like this was 60 snaps because he loses five points on that alone. By the way this is not the week folks if you want to tell me I'm wrong about the penalty being overcharged all you have to do is look at the Ravens results in this game they would score 50 points if we're for those five penalties and those five penalties you know raised four first downs in of themselves at race one touchdown directly. That did not get back the end up with the fourth and three play that didn't work out and you know the point has always been that you know when this a successful play like. Zayf Lauer is going for 49 yards or a big run play from Derek Henry getting 32 yards there's a lot of people with their hands out wanting credit for that play so Lamar Jackson wants his 15% commission on all rushing yards and you have more making a great block down the field and I think Andrews might have made a good block on that play and you have a line

33:57of the pitch getting a getting a share and you know kind of ceiling off the play from anybody getting the Henry on the left side and you might have a climber in there does something good. There's a whole lot of people who get a share of that of that play when there's a 10 yard holding call it's all you baby it is all you and that's just the nature of the game here and it's you know there's a big difference is a big asymmetric difference in what happens negatively when you get burnt on a holding penalty and the most you can possibly do positively. On a good block it's just the nature of offensive line play and that's the people who are not getting that are are not scoring offensive line play correctly I just state that as simply as I can and this was a game that you know couldn't approve my point anymore that that the penalties are very serious and should carry a very heavy charge. I can't blame the rest though. You know what you're telling you can play the raft that's fine if the ref got the call wrong I'm fine with that you know that you know that or if the guy was. If guy wasn't really responsible for the penalty like might have been the case with stamina I'm fine in doing that if the if the wrong guy got called for the penalty I'm no problem I'll correct assigning the thing but.

35:04No I was more messing with you know well well well well well taken yeah penalties are important especially this holding once my goodness. So 44 points for Guin at center that's a point 73 which is a D minus at center and I had to take his entire adjustment away part of it was for the the zero are he allowed being a. Run out of a pressure by by Lamar but the other one was that his snaps were terrible all night out of shotgun and in fact this we talked about this first show but you know if you can mitigate the negative value of the. Guin snaps you know running under center looks all that much better to me even though I think there's you know they're attracting factors for it I think that's a good reason to do it. Gotcha D minus D minus so we save the rookie for last year Vega you want to make in his NFL debut and you know from my perspective can it kind of mirrored what we saw in his is very limited action in the preseason and that was he's going to make some mistakes here in his rookie year.

36:08But he's also going to punish people he's also going to move people and he's going to have these like whether they can count as a pancake or not he just wears on you man he just wears on you I think he's got to do a better job with his block sustain at the NFL level you know you didn't see that college big strong hands great hand placement and got he latched on a guy's just weren't able to go anywhere on him he's been losing a little too much. Of blocks sustained for me but I think that these are rookie growing pains and you know what you got him to do you are seeing him be able to do it on the NFL field he just has to clean some things up. Yeah really some really positive things to look at so let's focus on the positive for you want to because I think this game has a really a lot of positive portent that comes with it so you may miss two blocks in the game as I counted it plus one other pressure that's not in the two miss blocks. And then the two holding calls which will get to in a moment obviously are quite serious from a greeting perspective but what is really impressed about not only the power and the pad level he plays with he's very good at getting under the pads of the guy you know opposite him but he also is very good at the right guard skill the right guard specific skill of turning up the defensive tackle to his will you know he's able to reposition his feet and kind of.

37:28If it is way through kind of open the front gate on a power play if need be now this offense may not ask him to do that all that much but zone play has tons of that involved in it if you're creating a cutback lane you can figure out where it's going to be and you want to basically show the best thing you can and present it to that running back you know oftentimes you know you kind of figure out where that that that opening is just a hair before the running back does or maybe at the same time but you're a few yards ahead of him and you turn your guy to basically make sure you can. I to basically make it easier for him to follow that block and I think you want he's going to be very good at that I want to see him finish blocks more so you say blocks of staying sure I want to say I'm stay on the block I want to see him you know take the guy to the ground get him angry with you get him get him get him upset for the next play I love that kind of thing but we'll see that from him if this college tape is any pro you know I mean like he's still a rookie kind of like feeling his way out but that's part of his makeup. Okay got a little more on him he's got three level two's two pancakes one out of one on his pulse he did have one highlight block two two holding penalties now there's no denying the impact of these holding penalties and the second one I think the second one came when he's really beat by out of worry to the to the left to his left to do you want his left.

38:43That's that's not a penalty you can hand wave away at all he had a stupid holding penalty level two where he held the jersey and it wasn't even effectual at all in terms of impacting the run play but. The things he's got to learn to do better to do right and it starts with not getting beat on the on the out of worry place so why I you know I understand people's desire to say well no great game you can't you can't let him not recover from those two pennies with the two pennies were enormous you know one of them stole the drive. And it's they are very significant they're one of the major variances the major elements of variance that the defense is presented with and can use to get off the field so you've got to be very careful about these things anyway you want a a C for the game he would have had an A had it not been for those two flags so that doesn't mean he really deserved an A that means he would have had an A had he not made these two very serious errors. Now agree then I mean especially the out of worry one I mean that's bad loss terrible terrible loss whether he holds or you know where they get the holding penalty or whether he gets Lamar hit or whether he just blows up the play.

39:52That's the kind of losses that you want to avoid is a is the opposite of the slow burn slow death plate loss right yes and you know he's been like is it I think that he's. He's been a little it almost looks like he's guessing and I know he's not but he's just been a little bit I think like eager to prove himself maybe it is but on some of these things I think that he gets a little too ahead of himself would be the best way to put it the losses that I've seen through the greasies and and and this first game but overall I think that Ravens fans should be encouraged about what they see from vanger you want a because you see the good you see the reasons that you drafted him and you expect these. These technical issues in the butterflies or whatever it may be to they get cleaned up as the season in this career progresses. Yeah well certainly hope so and we've seen that in a lot of line been before making the first action like Matt Skurra and Cologne and guys like that of that area who kind of you know marginal line and they tend to have a lot of their holding plenty is early on and there is a hump you get over where you can where you can learn that so a very positive on Vengeu on I'm probably.

40:5710% more positive on where I feel like you'll end up this year with just because of this game like I really think there's a lot of positive port tend to take from it get to have to be cleaned up but honestly if you if you were to play at this level for the whole year. You know a sea level it wouldn't be terrible or even a rookie first round pick and and you know obviously the most recent one the Ravens had of the same of a similar illke was lender ball and he basically played to sea level in his rookie year and there was significant growth from there so I think you want a is is going to be a very very good player from what I can see from this first game. It's going to like he's going to have games where he doesn't have these mistakes or maybe he only has one or they're not as costly and I'm confident just that he's going to be able to impose his will big time on certain place you just see that every game I've seen him play it's just like well this is why you drafted him that that play right there we've seen it multiple times you know in each game he's played so far you know it's very small sample but it just leads me to believe that he is going to impose himself on the games and it's going to be a very good game.

42:07If he just you know he's going to have games where there the mistakes aren't there the penalties aren't there and he's probably going to grade out higher than a sea when the when the seasons over sea plus you know be when the seasons all done. Now you know be great if certainly if that if that happened just cut briefly Carson Vincent played seven snaps the sixth offensive line and he made all this blocks and two of those in level two really nice job and there's already people already people you know they think at the back up left back up quarterback is the most popular guy in town. The back up left tackle can be the second most popular guy in town take your time calm down guys calm down guys they can't they can't make that move not for a good long time half a season more. They just think that they can't really make a move away from when they don't have another option that's healthy right now and they're going to have to let you know they're going to have to ride with win for some period of time and if they if they would come you know find out after two or three games that they just can't live with what win is doing and you know it's the probability that is not zero but hopefully you know when it's going to improve they're going to have to go to the street to find another center they're not going to be able to necessarily have posting be the guy right away.

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46:17Also, prize picks is going crazy with the deals to start the football season. Giving users a new promo every day during stack September and now prize picks is available nationwide. So what are you waiting for? Lock in for kickoff because everyone and everything is on prize picks. What you want? Download the app today and use code ad large to get $150 in lineups if you win your first $5 lineup. Prize picks run your game. All right, we're back. Jason with Hedelop Films with me. We're going to talk about some individual performance on the offensive side. Jason, you're the guest. You know how this works. Who would you like to talk about? I want to talk about LaJonte, Western, first and foremost. I think he's going to be utilized more than people realize with, with Zay, presumably missing a week or two. I mean, I'm hoping we don't see Zay on the field on Sunday and that doesn't mean that I don't hope he could play if he, you know, I hope Zay can play on Sunday, but they just decide to give him another week.

47:18And, you know, the scat back, what we've seen from Western as a receiver, I think, during the preseason kind of gives me hope that yeah, he's not going to pull a heavy, heavy load because he is your returner as well, but that he can give this Ravens offense an element of quickness. With Zay flower safe Zay misses at least a couple of games. Yeah, I'm with you on that. I mean, one of the real indications that Doyle is serious about using him is that they put him in in the offset fullback kind of position. They put Zay flowers in in the second half saw. So right there, you're saying, okay, you're going into Z-roll. We don't know that Lamar Jackson is going to throw to him in the same way. We don't know that, you know, he could do some of the things he needs to do to separate in the way that Zay would, but the fact that your offensive coordinator is saying, go ahead and try and see what you could do to separate from, you know, get a free release of the lattice image and see if you can make space from that spot. That's a really good sign to start to do. You know, I can't, I didn't think about that.

48:19And I think that's a great point because during the week, they're basically, that shows me that they're telling Western you're next man up at this spot, learn Z-flowers as responsibilities on these plays. And we're going to, you know, by one line, Zay flowers up in the back field and he's hurt. Then you're going to be the one lined up in the back field. That's a great observation. Yeah. Cool. What else to book? I guess I'm good with that comment on Wester. I'll move it on to Mark Andrews. You know, there's things that Mark Andrews is still contributing in in a big way. He had a couple catches in this game, but he had a big drop early that looked terrible. He had a fall start early that was, you know, obviously a very, very costly position for a fall start when they were on the two yard line, I think, right? Yeah. It was going to go online pretty much. And, you know, they, they overcame it and they got the ball in the end zone, but that's not a, not a good place to start. And the bat, you know, it's bad to drop as you can see. But then he kind of recovered in some significant ways.

49:19And I thought the biggest thing that I was impressed at him with was making the block for flowers, getting running to the spot to make the block for flowers on the, I think it was the 54 and not the 49. But he came back and he blocked back towards the line of scrimmage basically, which means he can't really block in the way you want him to because that's not allowed, but he's allowed to kind of obstruct from that position. And he's allowed to put his hands on the other guy. Just can't, you know, push hard, push on it really. We won't get cold anyway if he doesn't push. And then Jacobi Lane was ahead of him and he did a pretty good job of staying on his block in the way you want to receive her to keep his feet while he's blocking. Ended up being a really big play, but the big block was Mark Andrews on that because that was the one was what, maybe the 1520 yard line to spring him for a fair amount of additional yards. He also had a block, which was a decent effort when the Lamar 1316 Miracle Play was stable. He was the guy by the side line that kind of sealed the side line off to allow Lamar to get to the

50:20side line. So yes, look, you know, I think that like just from a personal standpoint, I feel like I'm a little bit lower on Andrews than most others. I just think that it's the father time. It's the lack of explosiveness. I mean, you look at the first play of the game and he's being covered in past years. He would have had a step. Maybe Lamar goes to him. I kind of think that this by the end of the year might be the type of scenario where he has 400 and some yards and Hibner has 400 and some yards. Like, yeah, we did a prediction show. Coach and I actually took Hibner over Mark Andrews for most yards. Yeah, because the explosive plays, the explosive plays. Like I can see Hibner going for a 30 yard, 40 yard play and I can't see Mark doing that unless it's a complete fluky bust of a play. So I expect Mark Andrews to be involved. It was a bolder prediction, Ken trying to spice things up. That's exactly what you do. And I'm

51:21going through the math in my head. I'm thinking you could replicate that synthetically by taking both sides of that argument with lines that are available out of the public and you could probably guarantee yourself. I'm thinking it's going to be close to Ken. You know what I mean? I think it's going to be close. Mark Andrews is going to have more targets. Hibner is going to have more yards per target. But yeah, Mark, for, you know, the breaking tackles, I just don't see, I don't see the explosiveness. He's got to be able to catch the ball. That's the main thing. Just get open like you always do versus zone and catch the ball. But we're going to need Mark over this season, especially over the next few weeks. If Zays out, I mean, because there's a real chemistry, obviously, between him and Lamar. Yeah. Absolutely. And that's a good one. So I forgot that. I bring up Andrews here. I think I did. How about Jacobi Lane in this loss? I see, you know, his name there. I really think that he was set for a big role in this offense. I don't think it was any secret. I don't think it was just preseason hype. I mean, you were out there looking at

52:23the practices, but the way they treated him in the preseason and sitting out that last game and being a street close after half time in the first two games, I believe, you know, his presence. And I don't think it was all outside the numbers, fade balls, deep balls, you know, go balls. I think that they were going to use him on these levels concepts, these flood type routes as a big body in the middle and level two. And, you know, it just really, I get for a lack of a better word, sucks that he's going to be out for, you know, hopefully it's only about a month, five weeks. Hopefully it's a four or five week type thing and not like a six to eight week type thing because we're a better team, I think, with haven't you could be laying as an option, which is a real credit to him as a rookie. And you know, someone who hasn't even played a full game yet. Yeah, it just in this game, we saw him be the target of a laser throw from Lamar in the end zone for the touchdown. By the way, no, they just do not are not going to throw the fade. Okay, if they do throw the fade, they're going to do it one on one coverage outside the numbers,

53:26somewhere in the middle of the field, the ball is going to be thrown to the 40 of the 30 yard line kind of thing to try and take advantage of lane's ability to out jump a single defender. So they might try that, but they're not going to try the fade from the five yard line or the 10 yard line, that's just not Lamar's game. Lamar moves horizontally and finds the direct throw to make as part of, you know, the greatness of Lamar Jackson, he went, we first came into the league, he didn't give him an exception forever under those into those circumstances until he gave up the one to, to Ron Manning, who's the guy's to Ron Johnson. Ron Johnson, you know, you also have Derek Henry, you have Derek Henry, you have Lamar Jackson. So if you consider a fade ball, a 50 50 ball proposition, you've got much better than 50 50 chances, 50 50 chance if you just let Lamar do his thing and have Henry this disposal with you entirely. And you know, the represent the replacement for the fade ball is kind of a tall ball that Andrews and Lane definitely can be a part of that, you know,

54:27in terms of of of making a, you know, high catch, you know, Andrews did it years ago. We had, I mean, likely has certainly done it, but years ago, Ankhon Bolton would be a guy who did it during the Super Bowl run. And there's no reason why Jacoby Lane can't be one of those weapons also, I Lamar could certainly benefit from having more than one. Yeah, I'm gonna miss him, Ken though. I was really excited to see how he opened things up for others. Yeah. Maybe I go to a different player who has to step up in his absence. And that's I think Ted's Walker. Walker definitely took a step back. I don't know, you know, from a psychological standpoint, how Walker's head is right now. Obviously he dealt with an injury, says that that doesn't have anything to do with his head, but the last route of the preseason, he didn't run it out against the, against the commanders. And he ended up for the first time this summer. And I mean, in camp or in the games, being overthrown on a deep route. So he put the ball up right, wait a little aside, if I, I know I was at quarterback,

55:30threw it down the right sideline. And he over threw him little really by a foot after he had stopped his route and then restarted in the middle. So you know, he's lost at least a yard and a half or more doing that. He would have run right under the football would have been a problem at all for him. And for the eye, I know, obviously, I had a reaction to it and then you went to the sideline. So I have said, mentor was it with it. You know, he's going to come back. I got to, I want to ask you maybe offline another time about what you think off the record with that and kind of get you to expand on that because it's tough for for Devon Tez because, you know, quite frankly, if you're Devon Tez, at least, you think you were underutilized last year. I mean, what the hell do I got to do every time I'm in the game, I'm making first downs, touchdowns. And I can't get no play under, under top munkin. I've been trapped to receivers. The past two receivers. And one of the guys they're drafting sitting on the sideline that last preseason game while you're in there, risk and injury and bust them your home. Now, I mean, I did

56:30see some, you know, we don't get to see a lot, but there are clips released from preseason where you see Tez burning at the second level, turning in the corner, turning it up and doing his thing. So, you know, I do believe that Tez Walker can play an important role in this offense, especially in Jacobi Lane's absence, where he can be a big slot, excuse me. And again, talking about the flood, the flood plays the levels concepts where he can be a bigger target over the middle and not just the downfield guy. You don't have to have like the sharpest cuts to run a flood route. He just got to be able to find space, catch the ball and try to get extra yards. So I'm really rooting for Tez. I think he could bring a different element. And hopefully, like mentally, he resets and realize, look, this is my, this is my chance. This is my chance right here. I'm a better special team player and more trusted one special teams than say, maybe a Srirat. So maybe I can get my chance on game days to get active and really make an impact on the offense. Well, he's got to be active now.

57:31Obviously with their wide receiver situation and all summer, he was under thrown on deep balls. That's just the nature of it. And they kept cornerbacks coming back into the play. He was carrying around that frustration in his shoulders after these plays, at least my observation of it. He's got every hope that he could get some deep ball opportunities. Out of the offense, as it's currently considered, not only that, it should get lots of, snap opportunities needs to do every element of his game. He needs to, he needs to do it at a higher level. So Ken, I'm wondering how healthy he is. They show the, you know, the clips from practice. Oh, it has his back practice in you get like a little 10 second clip. I mean, it was just straight line stuff, but growing injury isn't nothing to mess around with either. Like Ken, he, can he, like, sustain contact? Ken, you know what I mean? Where there's, he's putting all his force against another man in whatever kind of situation and an awkward angle to where he's growing, you know, holds up. It's a fear question indeed. And I don't, I don't have, I'm privy to any

58:35special information on that. I mean, it's what, what I tell you. So it's that's what you wanted to ask me offline. I've got nothing to give you, honestly. And, you know, honestly, I don't, I don't even like to speculate on injuries in any way, shape or form. I do have a general idea of how I've liked them to be managed. But in terms of what information is given out, I hope Jesse Menter just keeps his mouth shut a little better than John Harboh did because John really gave one sided information, which is what got him into trouble when he didn't give you information about a player who really was hurt. It, you already knew because he was really good news occasionally at the reporters that if, if he didn't have anything to say, automatically met bad news. So just need to shut that off. Yeah, pretty much. And, you know, I, for the record, I wasn't asking if you knew anything on TAS, I was just saying that like, even if you told me, hey, he's good. Like, I don't believe I just tend to be skeptical, you know, because it's really up to the player and, you know, the player could feel good and it's and be cleared, quote unquote, but it only takes one

59:37thing to re aggravate it. So, um, I, you know, the next player I would like to talk about is Chris Moore, just stand on the receivers. You know, I mentioned, I believe it way back in the first show, but, you know, if I'm taking all those Ravens receivers, excuse me, and they're all healthy. Let's, let's live in this fantasy world where it's week 18 and we have all six of our guys, of course, Chris Moore, it's disposal. Chris Moore, I think, needs to be active one game day and part of the 53 just because of how he supplements this team with his special teams as kick return, his toughness is better in nature, uh, doing everything the right way, the pro way. Uh, so it just didn't take me very long. And once Chris Moore was in the game before Bateman and, and they left to be like, damn, man, you know what, we could use a Chris Moore on this team. Like, it just, he fits like a glove. So, um, you know, I just wanted to give him his credit and, you know, just say that I was saying this in the middle of the game before the injuries came where it was like, Chris Moore stuck out to me as a, as a true fit. Good player. That's for sure. And it, it wasn't a complete shock

1:00:42that he came back. I, I, I, I would, I had guests that it would be a practice squad arrangement. No way in a heck that I expect that he'd be up. And even now, I mean, I don't know why you don't just elevate him twice more before you bring him on, but it may be that another team is contacting him already. You know, that, that some other team has said, yeah, hey, we'd love to have you on, on our roster here in Arizona. If you want to, you know, come out here and we'll, we'll elevate you right now. And then Moore went to the Ravens and said, hey, look, Arizona's offering me a, a 53 spot. Do you want to elevate me now with the injuries kind of thing? I certainly don't want to move kind of thing. Uh, it could, it could well be that's, that's going on. And that is by the way the typical procedure. If, if the guy likes his current situation, Lex's team, you know, like Moore is playing for a winner here, you know, it would be unusual for him not to ask his current team, hey, I've got an offer, you know, here you want to match it. Just like any time you, you, you change jobs, you want to hear what your current employer has in terms of a counteroffer, if you think it's even possible, it could be good. Now, I love it, love it. All right, let's,

1:01:46let's jump into the mailbag here because we got to, actually, let's do the MVP's first because that's more important. We definitely have to get that done. It will go three, two, one on the MVP's, you're the guest. Start us off with number three. Oh, well, I think we have this, we're going to have the same three guys. I think it's going to be hard to go to same three guys. I'll just, the number three, I'll just go, Zay, he was the best player on the field, but he was only on the field for 20 snaps. So I'll put him, I'll put him third, but he, there's argument for number one for all these all three. I would agree with that. There's argument for everyone for any of these guys, but say was remarkable had 7.5 yards per snap played, not per reception, not per target, not per route run, per snap played. And if you, if you only ran 11 routes and got 150 yards, I mean, that's 13.64 yards per route run. And just to put that number in context because yards per route run is not something people follow normally. Pukin, Akua led the entire NFL last year with 3.57 yards per route run. Yeah, it's crazy. It's a crazy number. And I know there's a lot of,

1:02:51I honestly, I watched that first half and I thought I could, I could maybe buy into the 14 hundred yard thing that I've been hearing now. And then of course he got hurt and that's where. So my number three guys, Derek Henry, great game for Derek. And it doesn't really matter how you slice it, but he ran into times when he, when they knew it was coming and he still did very well. He had some nice long explosive runs. I think they did a good job of creating lanes for him in the zone system that afforded him good cutback opportunities that he took advantage of. Positive game, just from multiple things, love to see him used as a receiver. Yeah, you know, I just have a hard time believing that I've always, I've always thought this, but like, okay, Derek Henry, I think we've all seen it. His catch radius is about nil. He's just, he's just very thick and stiff, you know. So if you throw him one about it, he doesn't have the agility above his head, say to reach or low to the ground. We've seen a few times. But you want

1:03:51a screen pass. You don't have to be raining moss. You know, and I mean, just hit him in the chest when the screen pass let him get out to some of these DBs and let him cause havoc because these guys don't want to touch him. But yeah, Derek, all right, I'll go with you. I'll put him as my number two, but great game defeating father time, all that, all that other stuff. And you just really see what kind of a pro runner he has with his pace as well. So, you know, if his, if his speed goes down a little bit or if his physicality miraculously goes down a little bit, he's very well timed in his runs. What you appreciate. Yeah, you wait until two hours in, bro. Yeah, you're on mute. Oh, man, I almost had a perfect show. It's like pitching a perfect game for me, not to be on mute for an entire episode. And jinx, they were talking about. Oh, yeah, multiple things. This is like the whole Stanley Simpson situation on the chop block penalty because if you, if you saw us here, Jason

1:04:53is working with a green screen here. So, so I can't see his face in this particular episode. And normally I'm asking the guests to point to their earpiece, you know, point to their headset to give you the mute, mute symbol, but oh, damn, okay. A little behind the curtain of Oz thing here is that you guys all know I'm on mute all the time, but but it happened again. Anyway, well damn, can I ruin your number one drumroll please? Okay, here's the drumroll. Go ahead. You give it to us. Hey, there's a drumroll blood by the way. Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson. There you go. There is a drumroll blood on screen, right? Yeah, I think it's like sounds or noises or something. Okay. Check that. Here's they have clapp, audience, claps and all that stuff. Ah, okay. I have to have to look at this. So anyway, Lamar Jackson, 5.4 yards better than his opportunity set, uh, unbelievable. The, the, the, the, um, 16 yard run goes on the Lamar Jackson career high roll, uh, highlight roll. And that's, it, it's incredible that there are 35 other plays probably like it in his nine year

1:05:54career, but it was spectacular. Special. Yeah, I have to make that Lamar highlight roll. Yeah. Yeah, what a plan. You know, there's really not much to add. Those footwork is efficiency. Yeah, he sees the field beautifully. Um, it's just, there's throws across his butt. You talk about being able to bootleg left to make a throw like, uh, Lamar's one of those guys. I mean, I would say him in the homes or the, the masters above anyone else of just the arm angles and off platform stuff. Yeah, it's just amazing. I can't believe the man never played baseball. And, you know, when you threw out the first picture at Kim, the yards, he said it was the first time really throwing a baseball and he practiced in the tunnel beforehand. But you would think that he grew up playing like shortstopper second throwing across his body as well. Because he's just so good at it. What a football to Ken. And footballs are bigger than people think. Um, and NFL football is pretty big. Yeah, it's true. They, they, you know, the kids start playing with smaller balls because in one of the things you, you find when you, when you first play with a bigger ball, it's hard to get your armor and

1:06:56around it and have the kind of control over it. You really have to, have to, uh, appreciate the guys who could spin a ball the way that NFL quarterbacks can. Yep. All right. I got one mailbag question. I want to make sure we get to here. This is from Zev Moses. It says, hi, Ken and Mori. And question for the mailbag or offensive review pot. Can you speak to some of the offensive possibilities and impacts on opposing defenses with Z lining up in the backfield? I believe he did it twice. I believe you are correct. In this concept, is this concept becoming more of a league trend? I'm not aware of that. Are you? No, I haven't seen it become a league trend. I think it's more for the backs like Christian McAfry, Jean-Mier Gibbs, uh, where you're, you're, you're asking them basically to run Texas routes, angle routes, which is basically a, uh, a triangle like half a triangle, whatever two thirds of a triangle, uh, where they come out, you know, 45 degree angles to the left or right and then cut 45 degree angles the other way. That's your Texas route or your angle route. What we saw would say look like an option route where he could have went to the flat where he could

1:07:57have went over the middle depending on where the defenders were. And in that case, the strong safety A.J. Halsey ran right past the to the flat for some unknown reason. So they just basically kept going without the foot all the way on the pedal to give Lamar an easy target and idea where he was. And the rest is history, but maybe you mentioned we saw it with Wester as well. So this might be a, um, you know, a couple of snaps of game. We'll see this from Deco and Doyle depending on the opponent. And I think really when you look at it from a strategic standpoint, bad linebackers on the other team, that's when we want to use it. Yeah, there's, there's that I agree. I think there might be an opportunity here for this to be a significant element of deception. Because we always want to talk about Zay getting down the field to drag safeties out of position or to to to get them to try and jump routes on him. And a lot of times it's the only thing the safety can do is help on a route where Zay has done one of his 90 degree left turns or right turns. You know, that might be the best thing

1:08:59a safety can do. I would think if I'm the safety on Zay flowers half of the field in a cover two or even a any kind of coverage where they're starting from cover two even my antenna or immediately up if I see Z flowers lined up up on the backfield. I'm scared to death if I'm the corner back at the Lannis Grimidge trying to figure out how to cover that. All right, I don't want to get beat deep. I know I probably can't press him. I probably cannot move quickly enough to get my hands on him at the line of scrimmage. But I want help over the top and that safety knows it too. And that might be a way to get the safety out of the play without even getting, you know, running a vertical route. And then you have the opportunity to run all kinds of tight entrance where you're you're kind of angling across the field from the opposite side to get behind that safety. So I think it's problematic, man. It's problematic. Yeah, you do worry. I've least I do courses, worry work of him running over the middle like that in that particular area of the field at that angle, you know, just getting crunched old school style. I mean, it's problematic. And again, we saw it with Western later in the game. So, you know, maybe that's a

1:10:03plan of attack against, you know, maybe an inexperienced strong safety and experienced linebackers, aggressive linebackers, something like that. So Zev had a second part to this question, said, Dickens, the oil's creativity of formations was very impactful. I counted two touchdowns with the eight typical alignments, the ZATD, which we're talking about in this offset fullback kind of alignment. He was in and the Lamar Rush TD. And that was where we mentioned earlier was the on balance line to the right. So he's absolutely correct in both cases. Good job. But the films have a appreciation for man for submitting this. And I think you're right. I think they build off this and do more with it. And probably it's probably one of the best questions. Also very terse question, but great point that Zev makes appreciate you, man. Yeah, I like that Zev. And I just wanted to add it. The very beginning of the show, I want to say that this was the first thing, a talking point that Ken and I discussed was, you know, the Declan Doyle offense, what did you see? Did you like it? And that's what I loved about it is that he was, there was a Greg Roman

1:11:08element. We had an on balance line out of the pistol for Lamar using a designed run. You know, I kind of thought that the days of Lamar design runs were, we're just going to use them every once in a while if the games on the line type thing. No, it's the first quarter from like the, who is the Ken seven or eight yard line something like that after the Andrews. Right. But anyway, it wasn't like a crucial time. We just decided to go unbalanced pistol. We saw some Sean Peyton elements in the past game. We saw a lot of Ben Johnson in the run game. We saw some creativity. So love what I saw from Declan Doyle. And you know, again, if you're just listening now with that's something that Ken and I discussed, I believe, you know, the very first five minutes of the first show. Good job of selling that first show too, because there are a few listeners by this point, naturally, in any podcast or anybody who's doing it. But that first show was a great listen. And I love talking football with Jason. And as probably even more in the in the first show, because we've got into offensive line in this and we're getting fairly specific and technical. But in the first part, you know, we're talking about conceptual football. And we

1:12:09had some great back and forth on that. Just absolutely appreciate you so much, Jason. Thanks for spending the time with me. You know, tonight we spent, you know, two hours and 15 or 20 minutes here, talking about the Ravens offense from this game. But man, what a labor. I love this week. Now I appreciate you very much. I'd be very busy with the film study I have shown now. Wednesday at nine is my regular show, introducing the previous show with coach. We've done really well with that. A lot of listeners, a lot of people watch on replay. And I would just suggest like, I would just say this, you know, I've told my friends, other content creators and people like that. I'm like, look, you should really watch this show. I'm not saying this because I want your view. This is a really good show. I'm really proud of what coach DC and I are pointing out. We make a good team. He looks at things from a, you know, coaching perspective as well as anybody. Minds more of a scouting and, you know, look, scouting the other teams and the strengths and weaknesses. Put together a lot of graphics and a lot of effort into that show. So between Friday night at nine

1:13:13and Sunday at one or whenever the game time is, go to huddle it up films and check out a game preview show. We did excellent with our calls last weekend, like the predictions. And if this happens, that happens. And I'm looking forward to working with coach DC all season on that. So that would be my plug at the end of the show. Good job, and I highly recommend both of these guys as content creators. But certainly if they're doing a show together, it's going to be worthwhile. Listen. So you guys give it a check it out for sure. Other folks out there, thanks so much for listening. Film Study Mailbag.com. I'm sorry, Film Study Mailbag at gmail.com with your questions. Morene will get them directed to the proper show. If you want to write us a five star 50 word review, please go out there and do that. If you just want to tell one new person about the show, I'm all about the word of mouth advertising. Jason, thanks again for coming on. Thank you, Ken. Thank you, everybody. Appreciate you all. And we'll talk to you next time on Film Study. Dave Roberts here. There you are surrounded by fans, sharing wings, sharing drinks, high-fiving random strangers.

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