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Welcome to our very last episode of Out of the Pods.

For the last time, my name is DT.

And I'm Natalie.

And I won't say happy Wednesday.

When will I ever say happy Wednesday again?

Honestly, just text me every Wednesday and say to me, please.

You're gonna be like, stop.

Actually, I want to voice note everyone's day.

Happy Wednesday, my pod bestie.

I know we've been talking about this

for a couple of weeks now,

how this is our last episode,

but sitting here and pressing record,

it just feels so, so different.

I'm like very emotional right now.

I actually didn't think that I would feel that way.

And then as soon as we hit record,

I was like, this wave of emotion just took over.

Yeah.

I was like, oh, this feels so bittersweet.

I know.

And I just have to suck the tears right now.

And I was like, okay, when we hold it together,

drive them up girl, drive them up.

Well, now they're dried up after you said that.

And I was like, okay, no problem.

No, it's definitely bittersweet.

We just want today to feel like a conversation,

a little bit of reflection, a little gratitude,

and just a chance for us to be here with you one more time.

Yeah, we wanted to be open with you guys

about how we got here and why we decided

to end the podcast because honestly,

it wasn't part of the plan to stop doing this

because we absolutely loved it

to be able to sit with your best friend

and talk into a mic about just life

and all the things.

I think it truly was such a dream job.

Before we press record, we put a few notes down on our phone.

So if it sounds like we're reading off of somewhere,

it's because we are.

Yeah, okay.

We wanted to take the time to say everything

that's on our mind in a thoughtful way.

We're going to be transparent with you guys.

We were very emotional before recording this episode.

And we just felt like we had to have our thoughts

written down because we couldn't,

like even when we were talking about like,

oh, what are we going to say in this conversation?

We just couldn't get the words out.

We were just so emotional and like,

we got to write something down.

I know, it really isn't an era, so.

But honestly, we just wanted to be open with you guys

about how we got here and why we decided to.

And the podcast, because it wasn't always the plan to end it.

And we just have absolutely loved doing this.

It really is such a dream job to be able to sit down,

talk on a mic with your best friend

and connect with all of you guys, our pod besties.

It truly just has been such a dream.

You guys are amazing.

And so it truly was like, I don't know,

I couldn't have even wished this like 10 years ago.

I didn't even know this could be a thing.

Anyways, I digress like always.

But our conversations about ending out of the pods

and closing this chapter, it really started when we got amazing news.

We got an offer from a very, very big podcast network

that represented the world's biggest, biggest podcasts.

But when we got close to signing the contract,

I think it opened us up to having bigger conversations

about the future, like what this podcast will become.

And also what we individually want for ourselves,

personally and professionally.

Individually, we came to the same conclusion

as it's probably best to take a pause for now

as deeply and I have our own dreams that we want to fulfill

and we wanted to open time up for that.

And that truly is the truth.

Like there isn't any more to that or any less to that.

Yeah.

And I think the fact that we both came to the conclusion,

individually, like you said, kind of solidified

that this was the right choice for us and for ourselves.

And I'm just really proud of what we've built.

I think we both realized that it was time for us to walk away.

And I think I always say this,

it's very important to know when to do that.

And we're feeling like really good and proud of what we built.

We never want to be in a position where we are forced

to walk away because we hate what we're doing.

I think we're in such a good place right now

and it just feels good to move on

to the next chapter of our lives.

Yes, truly.

I'm so excited.

And you'll be a part of like every chapter of my life.

Yes, forever.

We are bonded.

You are my OG pod besties.

So you are bonded to me for life, just FYI.

And our pod besties are always going to be coming for the ride.

Like it might not be on out of the pods,

but like obviously you can DM us reach out to us whenever.

Absolutely.

And I think we both have personally felt a shift

in what we want to achieve.

And what I love about us is that I feel like we raise the bar

on ourselves a lot.

And we unlock new versions of ourselves

that has different goals and wants to always evolve

and just achieve more and more.

And I just love that I have you in my life

who also feels that way too.

So it just feels really good about where we are in life

in general, but especially with the podcast ending,

I think we're just in such a good place mentally.

I know it doesn't sound like much to end something

that was so meaningful to us,

but that truly was the reason.

I think when we started the podcast three years ago,

we were different people.

And I love the versions we are now,

but with new versions of ourselves,

we have new dreams and goals that we want to fulfill.

Can you believe that it's exactly three years ago now

that we started the podcast?

I can't believe that.

Like when things have such a beautiful finale ending

to where we recorded 150 episodes,

all these things just are tying back

and it just feels so good to be ending this way.

I don't know.

It just feels like a full circle moment almost.

Guys, we started exactly three years ago.

So our first episode came out March 26th.

March 26th.

I forgot I can't say those six.

I'm going to miss that so much.

Our first episode came out March 26th.

20, 23.

Insane.

Almost three years ago,

because today's what March 25th.

25th, yeah.

When this episode comes out, it'll be March 25th.

Insane.

I know.

Like what a beautiful full circle moment.

I know.

Is there any meaning to the number three?

Three?

Yeah.

Kind of?

Like is it one of your angel numbers?

It's not my two to two's and ones.

We should have ended it last year.

God, I feel like you're not going to,

are you going to miss me just,

actually, I'll talk to you all the time, never mind.

Yeah, I was like, are you going to miss me

when I'm like, Hey, we're recording at 11, 11 today?

No, it's now going to change.

We were like, Hey, when we're on this phone call,

it's a one-month month, 11, 11.

I'm just going to wait to text you every single day

at 11, 11, 11.

Be like, Hey, bitch, you look at the 10.

I feel like the last couple of weeks

when we announced we're ending it,

we've talked more than ever.

I know about non-podcast.

Yeah.

It's like more just like, friend stuff.

Yeah.

Because I feel like it does feel weird

that it's ending because it's something

that we've had together for so long.

You've been my only constant for the last three years.

My sister does say, I talk to you more

than she talks to her boyfriend.

And she is so right.

She is so right.

Oh, well, so maybe we'll finally have boyfriends

after this podcast, but that's why we're making space.

Yeah, and I was like, you know, when we said,

we had goals and dreams.

Our goals and dreams is to have boyfriends.

And so we're like, we need to end it.

We're becoming co-dependent.

Yeah, you have been my girly pop for the last three years.

So I've never, I've never felt a void.

Yeah, no, I was just going to say,

I was like, I've never felt lonely

because I think deep, deep feels at that void in my heart.

That is so true, actually.

I really do believe this because I saw you so often,

partially because of the podcast.

I mean, as best friends, we talk often,

but I think we talked even more

because of the podcast that it made it easier for me

to like get through heart breaks.

Oh, my gosh, yes.

Like get over relationships, and like finally see the light

and be like, I didn't need that mofo.

Yeah.

No, if you think about what we've been through

the last three years, like after New York boy

and like all the craziness with that,

you helped me get over my last relationship.

It took me a while.

But like honestly, I don't know what I would have done

without you on all of those moments

where I felt so anxious and you literally calm me down

and you're like, listen, life is great,

you're good, everything is good.

Yeah, I don't know, she was just been through so much together.

I know.

And the best part of it though, as well,

is when I would talk about my relationship

or dating situations on this podcast

and our podcastes would send me such amazing advice

or just be like, I'm there for you, like you'll be okay.

And truly that has been probably the hardest part

of making the decision to end out of the pods for DeepD and I.

We've talked about it.

The thing that I think kept us going

were the pod besties and like the community

and like the comments and the DMs

and just having people that you can just feel good around.

So I just wanted to put it out there.

Yeah.

I think the community that has come along with this podcast

is something that is so meaningful

and something that we will cherish forever

because we'll never take it for granted.

Never.

And the fact that so many of you guys have DMed us and commented

and just have made us felt seen in how we feel and how we think.

I think that's been like the most special thing ever

and we're just so, so, so grateful for you guys.

Truly, we always say pod besties

but we really, really mean that.

Like you've been a part of this with us this entire time.

Yeah.

I can't even count how many times I have received a message

from a pod bestie and it has completely changed

my entire day for the better.

And especially on those days where I'm feeling low

or just like not feeling confident myself

and someone just reaches out

and it's just like such a small comment

but it's just so impactful and I will never, ever take that for granted.

And it's just so powerful.

We love you guys.

Thank you for just being part of this journey

for the last three years, and that's so crazy.

This feels so weird.

You know what I was just thinking about?

Do you remember the two weeks leading up to our first episode?

Like how we barely slept?

Oh my God, I get emotional thinking about it.

Yes.

We worked so, so hard, so hard to launch this podcast.

The amount of fonts we looked at,

the crazy amount of hours we just spent like figuring out branding.

I don't know, everything.

I even still remember when our first episode went live

and we were together in like a common area

and one of the high rises in the building

I was living at the time and you literally took the phone

and just started running around the whole thing

just screaming.

You're like, that moment is so vivid in my mind

and it will always be because it was just such an exciting time.

Another moment I like remember so, so clearly

is that the day we recorded our first episode

because we couldn't get the intro right?

Because right, like out of the pods now

just rolls off my tongue, you know?

It's like easy to say.

But at the time it was still like new to us.

Like we had just chosen the title like a week prior.

And we're like, welcome to another episode of,

at the end of the episode, we couldn't get it out of our mouth.

Like how did we even forget?

I remember being like, oh yeah, and my name is deep cheese.

Like how do you forget?

And I was like, I'm Natalie.

She was all about Tom.

We were trying to get the Tom.

I remember you were like, welcome to the very first episode

of, and I was like, I'm Natalie.

Like we couldn't get it out, yes.

We spent like, we set it seven, eight times.

It was so crazy.

And we had our editor in the room with us at the time.

And he's like, just breathe girls.

Like, just relax.

He's like, I can tell this is your first rodeo.

Again, it literally was our first rodeo.

And we were so nervous.

We didn't know what to say.

We like practiced what we were going to say

for our first episode.

And then I think at the end of that episode,

you're like, okay, next episode,

we need to take a shot of Tequila.

Because we were so stiff.

Like we're so nervous.

That lasted one episode.

In the next episode, we take a shot of Tequila before.

We press record.

And I was literally so drunk, I stopped shocking.

No, I literally was like, was there a sedative

in the Tequila?

Like, Natalie, hello, are you okay?

I remember you're like, so are you going to say anything?

And then we found out we didn't even press record.

We spoke for 50 minutes.

Well, mostly deep-deeply talking,

because I just seized to exist.

Wait, isn't it so crazy, though, the amount of times?

Like we make this podcast look easy, podbusties,

but there have been so many times where we have recorded.

And we actually forgot to hit record on the camera.

And we'll record for like an hour and a half.

And we're like, wait a minute.

Insane.

We didn't record anything.

And we're like, we have to do that all over again.

And we won't.

We're like, can we just, we need a break?

Can we just do it tomorrow morning?

Yeah, we're like, we can't.

It's insane.

The fact that we have put out an episode almost every single week

for the last three years, it just boggles my mind

that we were able to make that happen.

And I'm just so proud of us.

And we probably actually recorded 30 more episodes

and never made air because we forgot

to press the record button.

Because it's literally just me and Natalie as a team.

There's no one behind the camera being like,

uh, you're not recording.

There's no one like that.

Yeah, no one.

It's just us.

And we used to have like massive technical issues too

all the time.

Like there was a couple of episodes

where like our mic wires didn't work.

You remember?

Yes, and you like we kept hearing a buzz in that.

Yeah, it was driving us insane.

We're like, I guess we have to record remote

so we figure out the wire problem.

I know I was like, our wires aren't working

and then we just got new wires and then our mics worked.

It was like the easiest solution

and like the toughest process to get to it.

Yeah, and these wires were like 20 bucks

and I was like, how can we do?

Just buy new wires.

Wow, looking back.

But that's what my favorite moments are.

I think of the podcasts.

It's all those like in between moments of the episodes

when people ask like, what's your favorite episode?

I don't know if I have one.

I think it's really just those moments where we mess up

so much where we mispronounce something

or like when we're doing ads, we just like can't speak, right?

And we're just like laughing for 10 minutes straight.

Oh my gosh, one time we were reading an ad

and I think we recorded it like 50 times.

It took an entire hour because we kept looking

at each other and laughing and like,

or there's like a word we couldn't say.

Yes.

There was something where you were like, what was it?

You remember where it was like this?

It was like, you're gut health.

The gut health.

Oh yes, gut health.

You keep going, gut health.

And I was like, ma'am, it's gut health.

I couldn't say it.

I couldn't get the words out that day.

I was like, I don't think I've ever been able

to speak English because this is why can't I get this out?

But it's like so much fun.

Podcasters, you don't have a co-host.

I'm like, you must have no fun.

I'm sorry, but like when you mess up and you have a co-host,

it's so much fun.

It's so much fun.

Yes, sure, it sucks.

And you're wasting time.

Were we there for four hours?

Yes.

But it's like so much fun when you're just like able to be like,

let's just go somewhere and have a drink, you know?

Yes.

And I just love the fact that we've built

such an amazing relationship over the past three years, too,

that I feel like I can just come to you with anything.

Yes.

And we can have such an open, honest conversation

about everything.

There's no topic that is off limits with 100%.

And that's what I absolutely love.

And I feel like, I don't know,

we've just put in the work to get to where we are.

I think it's very special when you find someone

who will rarely or never judge you

and will still love you and support you.

And I hope everyone, I hope all our pop-assies

finds a deep-tee.

Oh my God.

Because it's not make me come here.

It really, really has been special,

not only being your co-host, but also your best friend.

Oh my gosh, I don't think I have ever met anyone

as loyal and as fierce and such a freaking good friend.

I know you're serious that you are.

And I don't know.

There's just so much I've learned from you.

And I will remember it for the rest of my life.

This feels like a breakup right now and it's not at all.

But I'm just very emotional about it.

But I piggyback off what you just said.

And I hope pop-assies you guys find

a Natalie in your life, too.

I know you're only seeing probably one side of her friendship

on this podcast.

But it's probably one of the most special friendships

of my life.

And I hope everyone is able to find a friendship like this one.

Oh my gosh.

I don't think I can even say anything else.

Because I'm going to cry.

I love you so much.

Are your hands so sweaty?

Because I'm crying.

My hands are crying, too.

My hands are also very clammy right now.

It's because I'm emotional.

It's because we never are emotional with each other.

I know.

We've always just, we have that sense of humor together

where we don't say I love you.

It's more like, you look OK.

Yeah, if Natalie's being extremely nice to you,

there's a problem.

That's like, I have some feelings towards you.

I've always wanted to talk about this earlier

in our podcast, like what it's like working with you

as a business partner, which is hard to see

because you are my best friend.

Like I've never said like, you're my business partner.

But technically, this is a business.

Like we have people who work for us.

But deep D as a business woman,

I think we'll surprise many, many people.

I think in the podcast industry,

it is still very cutthroat.

There are times when external parties will try

to take advantage of us or kind of push us

to make a decision and we'll have to push back,

advocate for ourselves, protect ourselves.

And that requires us to have really, really hard conversations.

And deep D is excellent at that.

Like very much so you are such a strong business woman.

And I'm kind of sad that like our pod besties

have never been able to see that.

Oh my gosh, are you kidding me?

You are the exact same way.

And when I said earlier that you have helped me

like just become a better version of myself

and that does relate a lot to our business

and working together.

I feel like I've learned so much from you too.

You're extremely detailed oriented.

You are just on top of it when you need to be

and you are very naive.

But when you're not, no.

And you're just like such a direct person

when it comes to being an entrepreneur.

And I think that is so important.

And it's such a good skill to have.

I think on like the back end stuff of, again,

going back to like advocating for ourselves,

protecting ourselves, pushing back was,

which is something like we had to do quite often.

And like deep D will be direct, but in a nice way,

where she's still able to have like all parties

feel really good.

And I think that's something I've learned with you.

I think when I'm pushing back,

I'm way more direct and not thinking of like,

well, how can I still come off kind?

Yeah, but I feel like, yeah, but that's why I love

having you in my life too is because I think

the balance is where it's like perfect.

Yes, you know what I mean?

That's where that's why we thrive so well together.

And I feel like you definitely gave me the confidence

to be that version of myself.

So we've never really talked about what it's like

working together professionally

because it hasn't really felt like work.

I think we've heard stories of best friends working together

where it's not turned out well.

But for us, it's been a dream.

Like we just worked really, really well together.

Like we filled each other's gaps

when it came to running a business specifically.

Early on, we worked it out so that we had like

designated responsibilities.

And so it was just like a really well-oiled machine.

And so for anyone who is thinking of starting a business

with their friends or a friend,

like absolutely have that,

I think you and I don't really have egos.

And I think we already established in the very beginning

that if we ever gave feedback

or let's say disagreed with each other

on a business decision, it wasn't ever personal.

Like we were strictly speaking professionally

and also it was for the betterment of us

and out of the pots.

Like it was never to like, you know?

So it was like easy if you were like,

I disagree with this decision.

Like I think we should do this.

I never ever took it personally

or ever felt any way about it.

No, same.

We knew that on beneath the conflict,

there's so much love there that the conflict was just,

okay, let's look at it.

Okay, why do we disagree?

And let's move forward in like a very, very like mature way.

And that's why it's so easy to come to you

with any type of conflict.

Yeah.

And it was really hard for us.

It was just like conversations.

We, you know, like deep deep, like I would be like,

hey, I think we should do this with this.

Yeah.

And then she might be like, hmm, I disagree and here's why.

And my magic eight ball said no, okay.

And I'd be like, that makes sense.

If I felt very strongly, I might like be like,

but I really think we should do this.

Yeah.

And then I just take that into account

and be like, okay, if she's feeling strongly about this

and I can compromise in this way and vice versa.

Or if you're like, wait, I know you feel strongly,

but I think it's not the best decision

that you would say it and that would, yeah, that's it.

Exactly.

No, it's okay.

It's really a dream partnership.

And yeah, I'm just so happy it was with you.

Like I could not imagine having done that

with this podcast with anybody else.

Like, oh, it's crazy.

I think we had that like the best sort of balance,

but I know people are always curious

like what it was really like behind the scenes,

but honestly, it was nearly perfect working together.

It's like our personalities meshed,

but also our business personalities meshed really well

together.

Like we were always very much aligned.

But yeah, like for anyone, again, starting a business,

just make sure you're going in with no ego,

but also knowing that like any conversation

should never be taken personally,

unless it is personal.

Yeah, unless it's personal.

But unless you're like, I hate you.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Never, never, never.

Yeah, yeah, truly this has just been such a dream.

But anyways, enough about us.

I just, I think we just want to end this podcast

by saying how grateful we are to our pod besties.

And thank you so much for letting us be a part of your Wednesdays.

We really don't take it lightly

that you chose to spend your time with us.

So thank you so much.

This isn't the end of us.

It's just the end to this chapter.

And who knows, maybe one day we'll

feel called to open this again.

You never know.

We might feel the calling again.

But with that, I know we always end this podcast

with see you next Wednesday.

But for now, it's just a see you later.

We love you guys.

Bye.

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