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Pearl Davis vs 10: Are Women Actually Better Parents? | DSH #2134

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Should Lindsay Clancy be convicted of murder or does postpartum psychosis create enough reasonable doubt to change how the law should treat her? In this Digital Social Hour 10 vs 1 debate, Pearl Davis takes on a rotating group of challengers over the Lindsay Clancy case, motherhood, postpartum psychosis, criminal responsibility, gender bias, and whether society gives women excuses it would never give men. Pearl repeatedly argues that Clancy should be held fully responsible, while her opponents challenge her on Massachusetts law, reasonable doubt, mental illness, the investigation, and the evidence presented at trial. The debate quickly expands beyond one criminal case. Pearl defends provocative claims that women are generally worse parents, challenges the idea that postpartum mental illness should excuse criminal conduct, and argues that men and women are treated differently when accused of serious crimes. Her opponents push back on those generalizations, question the statistics used to support them, and argue that mental illness can affect a person’s legal responsibility without excusing the tragedy itself. CHAPTERS 00:00 - Pearl’s Most Controversial Claims 01:14 - 4th Prompt: Women are terrible mothers, and they hate their children. 15:04 - Lindsay Clancy Enters the Debate 34:05 - 3rd Prompt: The most likely person to kill a child is the mother. 49:29 - Postpartum Psychosis Debate 53:13 - Are Men Better Parents? 1:05:33 - Should Patrick Have Left? 1:14:50 - 1st Prompt: Lindsay Clancy should be convicted of murder. 1:23:26 - Problems With the Investigation 1:31:14 - Insanity vs Criminal Responsibility 1:46:45 - Was There Enough Evidence? 2:00:55 - 5th Prompt: Postpartum is ‘post-nut clarity’ for women. 2:18:30 - 2nd Prompt: If Lindsay Clancy were a man, nobody would be defending her. 2:27:20 - Gender Roles Get Heated 2:37:12 - Motherhood, Work & Marriage 2:45:00 - Final Arguments on Women & Parenting WHAT YOU’LL LEARN 🔥 Why Pearl Davis believes Lindsay Clancy should face full criminal responsibility ⚖️ How Massachusetts’ insanity standard changes the legal debate 🧠 Why postpartum psychosis becomes one of the biggest points of disagreement 🔎 Why some challengers question whether the investigation was thorough enough 💬 How Lindsay’s statements and alleged memory issues are interpreted differently 👨‍👩‍👧 Why the debate expands into mothers, fathers, custody, and parenting ⚠️ Why Pearl rejects mental illness as an excuse for killing children 🧩 How planning and psychosis can potentially exist at the same time 👥 Whether public reaction would change if Lindsay were a man 📱 How social media, statistics, and viral narratives shape opinions about the case 🎙️ APPLY OR CONNECT 👉 Want to debate on the show? 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You should be able to wear your kids and just blame it on postpartum depression. Postpartum psychosis is an illness that only affects women. Are you trying to say that this illness should not be admissible in court just because it doesn't affect men? Women are aborting an aether the world population. Women are based on their actions, their kids, both in the womb and now women are fighting to kill their kids outside of the womb. You're making a gross generalization about all moms. I believe that women are terrible mothers and they hate their children. Women say it and they say it publicly. Out of everybody in this room, you are actually the exception to the world because you don't have children. Do you want to be a mom? Yes or no? Yeah. Okay, you want to be a mom. Okay, you're 29. Right? When do you want to be a mom? And obviously she doesn't want to debate. All right, guys, we are here at the 10 versus 1 debates with Pearl Davis, our host of today, and our first guest is Brian Shapiro.

So Pearl, if you don't mind reading the fourth prompt to that camera right there so we can get going. Oh, the fourth prompt? Yeah, that's what Brian is doing. Oh, I agree. We can do a little Clancy stuff too if you want to. Oh, I thought we were starting with Clancy. Okay. Yeah, so I believe that women are terrible mothers and they hate their children. And the first reason I'm going to say I believe this is out of women's mouths. Women say it and they say it publicly. I'm going to actually have a video that I brought. Can we play it? Okay. Yeah, sure. Which one? First one. No, sorry. First one under women are terrible mothers. Here we go this one. So I'm all about believing women. You know, I really think that we need to believe all women here. So obviously if we are saying- Are you playing a clip of all women or just a couple women? A lot of women. What's a lot? How many women live in this country? How many women live in the country? What's the population of women that live in this country and how many women are you sharing for us right now? Well, if you look at what videos go viral, it's all the ones of them talking about other ways- How many women live in this country and how many women are you representing in this

video? This is going to be one. So you have one woman that you're playing me a video. I could play you a video of a man saying that I love to rate people. Does that mean all men rate people? No, it doesn't. Okay, so what's the point of playing with respect? What's the point of playing one woman saying something really stupid? I really just got to believe her. I got to believe women here. You got to believe her. Yeah, so I'm going to play the video and then we can go back and forth. Okay, but you understand my point. So, yeah. One woman that says something stupid, so now you think that represents all women? Well, it's not just that. I can go through my other points. But the first reason is that women talk about they hate their kids all the time. Okay, well, one woman is talking about that. Well, I have more than one here. So there's a general consensus that women are allowed to publicly talk about how they hate motherhood. 67,000 likes. And if you go through the comments, women are openly saying they don't like being moms. And when you think about it, even inherently doing that, that's selfish. Your kids are going to see that someday and we're publicly applauding it. And I mean, you can try to gaslight people and say this isn't common, but it's very common.

And by the way, there's a lot of videos like that. There's over 100,000 likes on both of those videos and both of the comment sections are agreeing with them. And what commentators like you, I assume, do is you want people not to believe what they see with their eyes. And mothers do not take care of their children in this country. They constantly are making selfish decisions for the good of them and not the good of the kids. Okay. I'm going to go for it. First of all, I don't know if you watch any of my content, but you're making a judgment about me being a commentator. So first of all, let me say this, there are videos on social media with hundreds of millions of likes of guys getting kicked in the nuts. There's a lot of idiots out there that like things. And that doesn't mean that everybody likes it. That doesn't mean that everybody agrees with it. Let me just finish. Obviously. Obviously. Well, it's not obvious because in your statement here, you said women or terrible mothers they hate their children. They do hate their children. Hold on. You didn't say some women. You didn't even say most women. My mother was raised. Because everyone in intelligence knows that doesn't mean every single one. First of all, I'm a pretty intelligent person. So let's not go there.

Now, let me talk to you a little bit about my mom, which you know nothing about. I didn't ask you for a term. Well, I know you didn't ask, but you didn't have to ask me for me to say something with respect. My mom grew up in a very poor family. She worked hard. She did well in school. She got a college scholarship. She was a teacher. And she was a very nurturing mom. She met my dad in college. She continued to work. Some would say over nurturing. She has and would do anything for me or my sister. She is loving today. She calls me every day. Brian, are you going to the doctor? Brian, are you taking care of yourself? A lot of people would consider my mom to be over nurturing. And by the way, I would rather have it that way than the other way. Now, I don't know anything about you personally. You don't have to talk about your personal life. I don't know if you have, because full disclosure, I don't know much of anything about you other than the debate yesterday, which maybe there's a couple things I want to bring up there. My sense, and you tell me if I'm wrong, and I'm saying this with respect, every human being is different. Every woman is different. Everybody has different experiences. I don't know what therapy is. I don't know. It's trying to figure out why you think all women are this.

This is, I don't know. Based on women's behaviors and choices. So maybe your experience with your mom, and I don't know if this is true or not. Are you bringing in my mom? Well, yeah, because we're talking about all moms. And all of a sudden, you don't want to, you don't have to answer this. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. This is, I mean, you kind of are. So. I mean, you're making assumptions about my mom. We're going to, we're going to a therapy session. No, this isn't therapy. We can't, you know, you're making assumptions about my mom. Are you not making assumptions about my mom? You're saying my mom's not nurturing, right? You're maybe got the last one standing. But women in general, what do you mean? You maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe you got the last thing I want to talk about. Why don't you want to talk about your mom? What is he, are you going to stop him from, what does he do? You don't have to tell you what I'm personal, personal. You get personal. You get personal. It literally, you're asking about my mother. You're making a generalization about all moms, and then when somebody brings something up about, and again, I'm not being disrespectful. If you don't want to talk about it, you don't have to. I'm just making a point. The reason why I'm bringing this up with respect, Pearl. The reason why I'm bringing this up is because you're making a gross generalization about all moms. Right.

And you don't know all. Okay, how about, how about, how about, how about, how about, how about, how about, how about, how about, how about, how about a grant you. There's one good mom out there, that's, that's a very happy thing. Yeah, but if we're gonna. But if we're gonna look at the majority, I have to go based on women's words and actions. words women go women go no there's more I got like I got like 10 at least so ten is your ten is your he's gonna cut me off ten is your gonna come you off women are are so again I have to I have to go off of women's words women constantly say terrible things about their children they do it public and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of women are liking commenting and agreeing it and I need I'm let me finish I'm talking so on top of that I have to look at women's choices women are aborting an eighth of the world population women are based on their actions killing their kids both in the womb and now women are fighting to kill their kids outside of the womb one a quarter of women have literally killed their kids then we look at if women are choosing to be mothers when given the choice the more choice we have the less we choose to be mothers I have to look at our words our actions and also what we support women across this country are defending Lindsey

Clancy and defending that she murdered her kids in cold bloods and then I have to look at what are the results of women that have children and raise them on their own women are the major when they have kids they their kids are homeless they're more likely to be homeless have behavioral disorders living juvenile facilities and have substance abuse issues so when I look at women's words and actions and the results of what happens when they raise kids by themselves women are terrible mothers now can I grant you that there are a few good moms out there yeah of course there's exceptions there are exceptions to every rule but in mass no women are not good parents they're not the nurse according to the prompt you didn't say most you said women are terrible mothers so that would lead me to believe that you think all women are terrible mothers well yeah there's exception well thank you for admitting that that's I'm so glad that we got that right yeah I mean most women you say you know you said all women basically hate their kids first of all your definition of killing kids is very different from mine yes I I clancy clancy did kill her kids but I

wouldn't define as an abortion and this isn't an abortion debate but your definition of abortion is very different from mine so I'll start there you said you have videos of hundreds of thousands I'm gonna ask you the same question hundreds of thousands of moms right let's say horrible things how many women live in this country do you know that answer how the exact number about no you can be within a million can you get me a figure of how many women live in this country you keep saying I have hundreds of thousands of likes and examples 172 million okay so we have 172 thank you we have 172 women about that live in this country but you want to generalize all these women as something because you have hundreds of thousands of likes on social media yeah do you realize how ridiculous you know it's not just that it's not just that it's it's looking at the job that women are doing in society the more autonomy women have over being mothers women don't choose to do it and the more control and authority they have over their kids they're raised terrible children so I have to look at women's words women's actions hundreds of thousands of like and and

the results and the results when you when you say you're the results and the results of what kind of kids they write okay so I think they do not raise good kids yeah so I think that there's gonna be bad parents in society of course there's gonna be okay let me just finish there's gonna be bad moms there's gonna be bad dads people also have different definitions on what bad is there is there are bad parents in society every I don't need you to lecture me on drug addiction I know a lot about that issue and I can happy happy to talk to you about that there are also men that have drug addiction as well but there's gonna be bad parents in society I agree there's gonna be bad women there's gonna be bad bad men but you're making again a gross generalization and again I don't know anything about your history I can only speak about mine and my family I have I have great I'm talking to you about my family now I know you know I've you've made it very clear you don't want to talk about your family and I'm not gonna bring it up again I'm talking to you about my family okay yeah I think it's wrong to use your family for cloud actually I'm actually actually so I'm not using my can I just respond to that

mm-hmm I'm not using my family for what you're doing cloud I'm using my family I'm using it to win an argument I finished my sentence using it to win an argument may I finish my sentence thank you you don't want to be interrupted I ask respectfully please don't interrupt me I'm using my parents as an example because unlike some video or some likes I have the best parents in the world I feel like and they are extremely loving and caring and I would say over nurturing I'm not using it for cloud I'm using it as an example to prove to you in your camera right there I'm sorry what camera right there you are using it for cloud because we are on camera and you're using it to win a debate okay so if you want to talk about cloud and you want to make it I don't believe I don't think really we should bring up your personal because you're you're you're doing it kind of it's kind of selfish because yeah because you're you're opening up your family to being attacked this is politics okay well you can say you can say what do we do whatever you want about my family I'm not I'm not saying what you're doing what matters to me are my friends and my family people who don't know me personally people who don't you keep using the word

cloud I'm using it as an example what we're doing here did you say yesterday in the podcast that you didn't care about the Holocaust yeah okay so so so you don't care about innocent you think it's funny you think the Holocaust is I think it's really what does it have to do with any because it's showing let's talk about cloud you don't care about innocent people being murdered I don't I don't know anything about took about something I don't know hey I don't want to talk about something that I don't know fair enough Fair enough fairness. I don't care about the Holocaust do you care about innocent people dying yes or no I don't care you don't care if I don't care I don't care so she doesn't care about seven million people dying okay no fair enough that's a very I don't know. I don't I don't. I don't. I don't find it off Hitler was her. No, you don't know. What are we talking about? We're talking about you. This is off topic. This is nothing. This is not just a personal attack. It's not a mask. You have nothing to do with it. It says nothing to do with it. You said hot cash. These people just bring up brand. I want to say they bring up brand.

No, not not to just like derail you. No, I'm not trying to do it. Because it has nothing to do with anything. What you're talking about. We're bringing on. Mother's being terrible kids. They're bringing up the Holocaust. Here's why I brought it up. Why did you make? Here's why I brought it up. And you also said podcasting isn't a real job. You said that. Okay. So again, a field that you have no experience in. And you don't know what you're talking about. I wake up at eight in the morning. I do three hours of show prep. I do my show. I sell my show. I produce the show. And I just this is great. Like the problem is women are terrible. Yeah. See, progress is a big ego's because it's literally big ego's for having a conversation. Yeah. I think they're more important than they are. I don't think I'm more important than anybody else. Yeah. Well, you can you just said it's a it's not a hard job. It's not a hard job. Okay. Well, you don't do it. It's not a dirty job. It's not a dangerous job. It's not a dangerous job. Ask that about Charlie Kirk. If it's not a dangerous job. All right. Charlie Kirk was murdered because he did a podcast. You don't think Brian. Brian, I appreciate this with the problem is women. Okay. He brings up random stuff.

Yeah. Okay. So here's why I just bring up quote random stuff. And then I want to get back to the terrible mothers because you make generalized statements. I do make generalizations. All women are terrible mothers. And I mean that. And then okay, can I just get a sentence in without you interrupting that? I'm really appreciate that. Please don't interrupt me for cloud. So I would say that when you make generalized statements like women are terrible mothers. And then I give you my example of my mom, which I know better than anybody else. You say you're doing it for cloud. And then you say, well, there might be a few good ones out there. What I like to talk to you there are people that have moms and dads. Maybe they had good moms. They maybe had bad dads. The point I'm trying to make, ma'am, is that every single human being is different. Every mom is different. Every dad is different. Every upbringing is different. Every human being is different. Just because you've had certain experiences that could be positive or negative doesn't mean that the next person has had terrible experiences. And my biggest problem with all of your arguments.

When you started off this whole thing showing one video of one woman that I disagree with. And then you're bragging, look at all the likes she got. So that must mean every woman bad. It's a gross generalization. And the reason why I brought up the podcasting thing and the Holocaust thing is because just to give a few examples, you make gross generalizations to topics that you are completely ignorant about. And then you want to label everybody something because of personal experiences that I think you had in your life that you don't want to talk about. Pearl, I'll give you a minute. Thank you for the therapy session. I do make generalizations because I do think that people that are intelligent know that there are exceptions to every rule. And we don't really have to go back and forth about that. On top of that, these podcasters do use their family to build their brand. I think it's very selfish to be honest, to be honest, because we are in politics. People can be very mean in this industry and they will attack your friends and your family. I don't like to bring them up to win arguments. If people do that, I think it's kind of selfish. But who am I? Okay. So Clancy, the Clancy stuff, we might agree on this. I don't know.

I believe that Clancy should go to jail and or never be allowed back in society because she murdered her three kids. There's no question about that. I think most people would agree on that. Okay. But then there's the other side of the issue as well. I believe the system failed her. Do I feel terribly sorry for what she did? No, of course not. She killed three innocent people. But at the same time, she did ask for help multiple times. We do not have a good healthcare system in this country. Mental illness is both not a female issue. It's a male and female issue. It's a terrible situation. It's horrible. I think we both could agree on that. And I went back and forth on this issue. I am for the death penalty, by the way. I'm not one of those people that's against capital punishment. But you made a statement yesterday that if we had the death penalty or we enforce the death penalty more, it would maybe be a deterrent. And I can tell you that a lot of people that commit horrible acts. Sometimes they also put the gun on themselves and they commit suicide. So how would the death penalty stop those crimes from happening?

Okay. So I don't think that the system failed her. I don't think there's an excuse. I agree that she's guilty. I would say capital punishment. I believe that it should be a life for a life. So if you kill somebody, you should be killed. Maybe make an exception for accidents, maybe. What about you, Dr.? I'm not really too. I don't know. That one I don't have a good answer for. What if it's involuntary manslaughter and you kill somebody? I don't know. What if you're on drugs? I don't know. I think these are important questions to ask. So it goes back. But for her, I don't think the system failed her. And I don't care. But you said you care. She killed her kids. She should go to jail for life. I wouldn't think that's a horrible opinion. I would prefer put her in a mental institution where at least she could see her family. Yeah, no. But I don't think a life sentence in jail is a horrible take. I somewhat agree with you. The only point that I'm trying to make is I think we both could be right on this issue. Okay, punish her for what she did. It's an atrocious crime. It's terrible. But at the same time, maybe we could have done some things differently as a society to

prevent things like this from happening in the future. What would you want done? Well, first of all, I think we fail in this country as far as helping people that are mentally ill. Sorry about that. I think we fail as a country. With helping people that are mentally ill, I think mental illness is a big problem in this country that needs to be addressed. And I think when you ask for help multiple times and you don't get the help that you need, what help did she need that she didn't get? Well, our health care system is broken. I think you would agree on that, right? What specifically should she have gotten that would have prevented this? Well, first of all, I think we overmedicate people. I think all the drugs that she was on clearly were not working and whatever drugs they put her on didn't help at all. I would also say that we need better health evaluations and she should not have been there. If you're making a threat and you're saying the things that apparently she said that her husband claimed that she said she shouldn't be left alone. She needs to be in a hospital until she stopped saying those things. So I think we all need to be proactive as a society. And I also think that when somebody cries for help, help them.

She needed to be in a hospital and I can go into drugs too. I mean, I can talk about my sister and I can talk about how rehab facilities don't they're not exactly helping a lot of people. We need a better system and we need a system where people can't afford health care. They still get health care. Mentor. I think she would have did it regardless. Okay, so you could think that and that's fine. But my point is that shouldn't we at least try to help these people? You can think that and hey, listen, maybe you're right. I think you're right. I think crazy crazy is going to do crazy shit. Okay, so let me ask you a question. Yeah. And listen, maybe you're right. Yeah. Maybe she still would have committed this horrible crime. I don't know. We both don't know. But we can't in my opinion, this is where we disagree. You can't just put your hands in the air, Pearl, and say, nothing we could do. Crazy people are going to do crazy things or I can. I'm going to keep doing that. Okay. You can keep doing it. Yeah. And if they do crazy things, throw them in jail. There you go. So, so you don't think we should do anything as a society to try to help people that are mentally disturbed? I don't think in her case, there is much you could have done.

I think she was going to do what she was going to do. How can we know that for sure? You don't. Okay, so that's what I think. That's what I think. Okay. You're right. You don't. And either do I. Yeah. So, by the way, on your claim about mental illness being a big problem. Yeah. So, there's a broad policy claim rather than a precise factual assertion. It aligns with reporting that the U.S. mental health system faces major access and capacity problems, including shortage of impatient beds and community service, but it is somehow still somehow value laden and not strictly provable as stated. So you said something yesterday that I completely disagreed with when it comes to this exact topic that we're talking about. 23.4% by the way. So, the adult experience mental health issues. Correct. That's a huge issue. So, you had said quote and you tell me, I got your quote right here. I don't care about her mental health. The reason why I disagree with that and the reason why we have. You disagree with me not caring. Yes. I have to care. Okay. You don't have to do anything. I'm telling you why I disagree with it. Can I just tell you why? I'm just just interesting. You disagree with me not caring. Okay.

I'll get to explain. So, first of all, just because you're a random person doesn't mean we can't in general terms have empathy about people. For example, it's like salicing. For example, I know. I'm not policing you. You can think what you want. I'm telling you why I disagree with you. I didn't know Robin Williams personally, but he killed himself and it's horrible. I didn't know Chester Bennington personally, but he killed himself. He had kids. So, I think most people. You can't care about everything. I think most people that are decent people have empathy. So the reason why I bring this up is because. It's not decent. I didn't say that. I said most people have decent things. Okay. So, Lindsey Clancy, as we know, did a horrible thing. Right. I care about those kids that are six feet underneath the ground. I care about her family. It's a horrible situation. But if we care about the kids, then it's not a mental health. That's what I would say. Okay. Well, I think both can, we can both care about both. The point that I was trying to make was what we need to care about the victims, of course, and she needs to be punished for a crime. We can get something positive out of this if anything. And this is the positive thing we can get about this atrocious crime that she committed.

Let's try to find out a way to try to help prevent situations like this from happening again. Even if you think she's still what had done it, do you have any solutions at all? Because I can give you a 20 right now of how we could have helped maybe prevent things like this from happening. All right. So, we're about 26 minutes in. So, in terms of solutions, statements, any stats that you have you want to share regarding the woman or the total mothers, this would be the time. I'll give you two minutes to incorporate all your statements. Can you go first? Yeah, sure. If you want to. So, this is the closing statement. I don't know if you're saying, but I'm going to wind it down because we are in six minutes. Whatever you want to do. But I'm giving you two minutes to make your points. So, it's not a closing statement. Well, no, it's a closing statement. So, we're getting to the closing statements. Yes, you should include your statements. So, this is the closing statement. Yeah, sure. Okay. I just want to make sure we're on the right page. So, are you okay with that? Two closing statements to your mother? So, women are terrible mothers closing statements. Okay. Okay. So, we started this debate by showing me one video of a woman that I disagree with, probably wouldn't be a good mom. And we learned that there are 172 million women in this country.

One mom doesn't, or one woman doesn't represent the thought of every woman. Then you talked about 86,000 likes, which I could give two shits about. I don't care people liking videos that doesn't mean every woman is this or this. I don't generalize entire groups of people. I never have. As much as I can't stand Donald Trump, I don't generalize every Donald Trump. I don't want Donald Trump's supporter as stupid or racist. I never have and I never will. Because I think that's an ignorant way of thinking. Could I ask a little bit more real quick? I just want to ask a question. I mean, is it at all disturbing that there's 86,000 women liking something that's, you know, whatever anti-children and anti-mother. Do I think it's disturbing that there are idiots in this country that like stupid videos? Not really. I think it's disturbing that people think that all women are bad mothers. Okay. So, if I could just finish my closing statement. Really, that's for sure. The reason why I brought up some of the things you said in that debate yesterday, well, there's two reasons. Number one is, I'll be honest with you. I told you this off the air. I don't know a lot about you. Okay. I watched the debate yesterday. And when I hear people say things like, and I got like what, one minute left, right?

Yeah. When I hear, can I just, I'm not going to interrupt you with your closing statement. I know you're disagreeing with what I'm saying, but if you can please give me the respect and I'll give you the same. Okay, please. When somebody makes a statement like, I don't care about the whole of cost. Is that the kind of person that you want having credibility talking about all moms? When somebody says they don't care about seven million Jews that were murdered because when you say you don't care about the whole of cost, that's what you're saying. You don't regret it. I have 30 seconds left. Please let me finish. I have 30 seconds left. Look at nothing to do with that. Yes, it does. It's an issue of credibility. And I think you're a grifter. It's an issue of credibility. It's an issue of credibility. It's an issue of credibility. It's an issue of credibility. I'm going to give you two minutes to respond. So my last statement, I will say this, there are bad mothers in society. There are bad dads in society. I feel sorry for those kids. There are also wonderful mothers in society like my mother who I'm not using as clout. I'm using as an example to try to get through your head.

And I also find it very telling ladies and gentlemen that she doesn't want to talk about her experiences personally, but wants to talk about everybody else, not a personal attack. I think you have a terrible relationship with your mom. Personal attack. And that's why you don't want to talk about it. And you think all women are the same. Okay. Ten seconds. So I'm so glad that there are so many wonderful mothers in society. I have a lot of other line of contact. I just want to let it go. Oh my god. Jesus, you're right. You got ten seconds. You said I use my parents as clout. That's a personal attack. No, it's what you're doing. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry. I'm like you did logically. You're right. I'm sorry. I was offended that you don't care about the Holocaust. Me being a Jewish man, it's seven million Jews that were killed. I know you don't care. So the final thing, because she keeps interrupting me, the final thing I will say is this. There are certain people in society that say things for clicks, that say things to make money, that say things to get a rise out of people. That is exactly who you are. And you know it. All right, Pearl, two minutes.

Are you done with that? All right. So I'll continue to give this done. He's done. He's done. He's done. And then say come down to kill the kids. Who killed the kids. He's the mother. The reason that I think women are terrible mothers is one I have to go based on women's words, and women do say this. They say it publicly. And women clap, shout and support it. The second reason is women's actions. Women do abort their children, so a quarter of women have had an abortion. And not only that women promote it, and also support that as well. There's nothing women fight harder for than the right to kill their kids. We're seeing that with the Lindsey Clancy case. and the fact that women of a board in eighth of the world population women commit roughly 82% of neo and fantasized women are more likely to abuse kids that's from the CDC. The highest rates of physical neglect occur for children living with a single mother, which is over seven times greater than the lowest rate. Women are more likely to put in their kids in positions to be abused. Stepfathers are more likely to abuse their kids. So I go based on the results of women raising kids, which is they raise terrible kids. Fathers, their kids turn out basically

the same as two parent homes where mothers raise criminals and kids with mental problems. I also go off of what women say and what they do. So we have 10 seconds. I don't. I don't. After she's done. The other thing I want people at home to know is commentators what they tend to do is they bring up a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter. So it's an attempt to confuse you. And so what he's going to do is bring up my mother, bring up the Holocaust. A bunch of stuff that just says nothing to do with anything as a way to attack and discredit me. I would like to stick to the topic because I am prepared to talk about the topic where they bring up random shit because their argument isn't that good. Yeah, you're right. My argument's not good. Right, you're right. So the problem with her closing statement is against her prompt. In the prompt, it says women are terrible mothers. They hate their children, meaning all women are terrible mothers. Then in her closing statement, she starts every remark by saying women are more likely. You didn't say women are more likely to be terrible mothers. You said all women are terrible mothers. And by the way, you don't know anything about being a commentator. You don't know anything about my job. You don't know anything about what I do. Let's just stop. Okay, but do some research on

the Holocaust. Maybe you'll start. I know you care more about talking about how horrible mothers are. Yeah, I do. That's true. That's true. That's what I'm here to do. You're very credible. That's true. Thank you for that very credible conversation. That's all I got. That's all she's got. Thank you. Thank you so much, guys. I appreciate you. Hey guys, you know, I don't do promos for just anybody. The only reason I'm talking about legends right now is because they completely flip the script. Look, the reason I know it's different is because I actually met the team in person in Las Vegas. I trust these guys and how they run the site changes everything. Legends is a premium US sweepstakes casino. It's free to play. And when you win, they feature lightning fast redemption. They have a massive game of variety. Hundreds of premium slots, sports and live tables. You can play it entirely for free. Stop dealing with platforms that lock up your funds. Hit my link right now and go see why legends has earned its name. Hit the link below. So we're talking about women. You said all women are terrible mothers, right? I can acknowledge that there I said women are terrible mothers. Now generally when I when I make a generalization

which I do, I would say the majority. Okay, the majority of women. Yeah, I mean, we could split hairs at what percent, right? But I would say in general, like generally, what percent do you think it's 90% I think it's 10% what are we actually talking about? If I give you that, are we going to split hairs and make it? No, no, that's that's not I don't mind. I don't mind telling you, but I don't want to spend half. I don't want to spend half the debate going back and is it 50% 70% 80 90? Like, I just want to know where your head is at with. At least the majority over half. Okay, so you think over half of yeah, over terrible mothers. Okay, they make selfish choices. They divorce the father, they nag, they belittle, they nitpick, even even when I do debates with men and women, women in general tend to be much more insufferable. And I would say that's common inside the home and outside. I think it's more so because you lose against women. It's not not really there. They're much easier to debate actually than that. I will not according to the anti-caspiring debate, but we'll save that for another time. So I'm just wondering in this room because you said the you said over 50%. So knowing

that over 50% in this room, we probably have at least 30% that you think are terrible mothers. Probably. How many of you guys are mothers? Okay, so almost all everybody's my mom. Okay. How many of you guys hate your kids? Oh, okay, so already that statistic doesn't look like it's holding out. Right, but if we look at their choices, it means a quarter of you've had an abortion. I'm a quarter of a quarter of women in this room. I'm not going to say it on camera. I don't know if this room is like a, I don't know if it's a mirror. Like, if I, if I, there's a white woman, white woman, if I, we have people from different ethnicities, it looks like we have different ages in this room. Looks like there's some people that are older, some people that are younger. I think that this is a pretty good depiction of what the average woman is. Well, we're looking in this room and we're saying almost everybody is has children. You're the most out of everybody in this room. You are actually the exception to the rule because you don't have children. Right. Well, the, the issue is when I look at women's choices, women don't want to be mothers and women and women and women and the problem is a quarter of

women have had an abortion. Okay. We're going to, we're going to go into personal attacks. No, no, no, no. Do you want to be a mom? Yes or no? Yeah. Okay. You want to be a mom. Okay. You're 29, right? When do you want to be a mom? What are we? You see what they're doing? It's just, it's not a social attack. You make it a personal. I'm trying to talk about, you guys, stop. I'm trying to talk about the situation. I, you know, look, the court, right there, there's a fact checker. And I know you want to pull people in this room, but a quarter of women have had an abortion. I think when you talk more universally and really talk about the situation. Is that not important? Look, I gave them because I would want to know why at 29 years old Pearl, I mean, you got to, you got to, you got to, you got to, you got to kill your, that's a very, that's a good one. Why is it so quiet? If she thinks that you should be, she's got to go. She's got to go. She's got to go. If they, if they keep doing personal attacks, they got to go. I'm telling you, they got to, according to you, I'm telling you, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to walk if you don't kick him for personal. I'm going to, like, I think you should be careful.

So we, please get back to the, we need to put her back to the trauma, prompt that hand, please. All right. So I'm going to give you a minute to talk and I'm going to give you a minute to retort because this is getting out of control. Okay. I don't know. She's got to go. She's got, because you're really noticing the delay. She's doing personal attacks. I think in general, the personal attacks are not really. What is the personal attack that I'm asking you a, I'm asking you a question. Can you stop talking so I can ask the moderator a question? She's not a mayor. Okay, but I'm asking you a question. What is a personal attack that me either? You're talking about it. It's a personal attack. You got to, like, 29 years old, like, it's not, it's not the prompt. I'm just trying to keep us on the prompt. The prompt is that all women hate mother. That all women hate their children. That's what I'm talking about. She's not going to come. She's not going to come. She's not going to come. I'm not going anywhere to answer the question. Just answer the question. Look at you. The part is not my job. Yes, it is. You're the more. I want like, could we, could we try to make this to be work? It's to be there. No, she's got to get, she broke the rules. Do we tell them the rules ahead of time? They don't listen and you guys never can't. They're having a meltdown because she doesn't want to answer the question.

Why don't you have kids? Yeah, that's so bad. I don't hate, I don't hate my kids. That is so personal. It's not relevant to the topic. She's not going to be there. Like who knows? Who knows? There's people that can't be used. What is not relevant to the, that is a very, that is a very good question. I don't think she thinks that women that don't have babies are not value-bull in society, is that true? She can kick her or not. You need to kick her. I'm telling you. When she's not going to debate you, I'm trying to keep this about the topic. Okay, bye for all. See you later. Have a good day. Telling you, she's got to go. Sorry, dude. I want you to get rid of this. This is not my job. What did I say that was a personal attack? I'm asking you why you're not getting it. It's a 29, that's a personal attack. She's the whole story. Now I'm telling you, you should have a picture of it. No, let's start over then. Because what do you want to talk about? Let's talk about what you want to talk about. You got it guys. Come on. You requested this debate. You asked me to come. I came out of my, I left my kids on a Saturday to come to this debate. Sean told me you wanted to debate. Which, which, which, which,

like this, I just, okay, listen guys, we got to stick to the problems because you know, you're giving care in as well. I'm in personal attacks and obviously she doesn't want to debate when it becomes personal attacks and I have no control over her. So she's deciding to walk out of the room and I just, she doesn't want to answer the question. It's very simple. We got to stick to the problem. We have stuff to the problem. If you like watching people actually defend their beliefs instead of hiding behind the internet, subscribe right now. We're building the biggest debate show on YouTube and we have some insane matchups coming. Hit subscribe, turn on notifications, comment who you want to see, debate next. Before we get back to it, hit subscribe. All right, guys, we are here with 10 versus one debates with Pearl, our host today and Pearl. If you don't mind reading the third prompt to the camera, which is the most likely person prompt, my first question. Okay, so the most likely person to kill a kid is the mother. So the reason I think this is a few reasons, I start with women's words and women on TikTok right now are literally making videos talking about how they want to kill their kids.

So I do have to believe what women say with their mouths.

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to kill kids even after birth. On top of that, I still have to believe what women say, which is the Lindsey Clancy case. Women are openly fighting for women to have the right to kill their kid after birth. I understand the cheese on drugs, and maybe they make excuses for it, but that's not nurturing. And then on top of that, women are also more likely to put their kids in positions to be abused. Step-fathers are more likely to abuse kids at 8.5 times higher the rate. That's a choice of the woman of nakes. So basically she's saying, because I want something, I'm going to put my kid at a disadvantage. That's terrible motherhood. And then single motherhoods have the highest rates of physical abuse by far. I would agree that women are the most likely to have an abortion since they're the only ones to be able to have an abortion. I also would agree that in infancy, that is true when it comes to mothers, most likely being the perpetrators of their children's deaths. As soon as you get into being teenagers, it is overwhelmingly the fathers actually. And as we are aware, mothers spend much more time

caretaking their children. If we want to look at the ratio of caretaking to harm, it actually points in the other direction. Okay, so the issue with those statistics is they include stepdads. That's incorrect. I'm the issue is you include stepdads. Or family members. But when it's biological parents, the mother is more likely to kill the kid. I mean, you can maybe slice the data in one way or another. But is it so? Yeah, go ahead. All right, so it's saying that it's too broad and misleading to US and national data. So mothers are more common perpetrators for infants but fathers and other males are more common. And other males. And other males. So it's just a matter for you. In includes, yeah. Mothers committed just over half of parental homicides overall. And about 71.7% of parental homicides of children under one year. But other research on US child homicides shows fathers and other male perpetrators,

which I guess could be step bothers. There's donate many older age groups. Yeah, and like I said before, if you look at the ratio of strictly caretaking to harm, it actually does end up pointing in the other direction. Yeah, but that's on this use. Just because you're with the kid more, it doesn't give you an excuse to kill it, which is kind of the sort of work though. And the other issue is if your premise was right, then they've taken data from the CDC the last 50 years. And you would see mothers have spent less time with their kids in the last 50 years. We have left stay at home moms. And what you would see based on that is fathers spend more time with their kids than they have in the past. So is argument. So mother, you would see you would spend less time with their children. Or that they're more like it. No, if you're saying it's, if you're saying it's because of the proximity, then you would see the abuse rates, no, be similar to how much time that mothers are spending with their kids. That's what I'm saying. It is. That's why mothers. No, it's not. Mother spend a lot of time caretaking their children. And that's why they end up. And the other factor, because of infancy, postpartum psychosis directly overlaps with the period of infancy.

And I'm sure if we took out that percentage, it would be like, wait less. But the issue is abuse has gone up as mothers have spent time less time with kids. What's where the CDC, they've done 50 years of research on the CDC. Rachel Wilson breaks it down and she's a whole sub-stack article on it. I'm waiting to see that fact check come up because we know women spend more time with their children. If you look at Rachel Wilson's sub-stack on child abuse, that's where I got it from. She breaks it. No, it's but it's quoting data from the CDC though. Okay, so yeah, that's the. So your premise can't be right. I disagree. I think that you can disagree, but it's not correct. Okay. So it's contradicted. You're saying that the CDC comment. So basically, it's saying that it's misleading because... So you're incorrect. Let me see, hang on. Because less mothers is missing if they're refers to continuous CDC research. So it's inconclusive at that thought. But if you look at the abuse stats, though, kids are more abused now than they were in the past,

as mothers have spent less time with kids. Because there's more. So you just said mothers have spent less time with their kids and used right time up. So that means who's abusing their children if it's... Well, the point are you trying to make it understand? Well, I told you it's mothers and stepfathers. But biologically, the father... Yeah, stepfather is unfortunately still not the one that's responsible. Like the mother's not responsible when a stepfather commits harm. Yes, she is. Because you're responsible for who you volunteer kids like. I think it's partially responsible, but I would say that's a separate category. It's not attached to mothers. Otherwise, them choosing their fathers. It's also the mother's fault then. Just because they chose the father that harmed their child. I totally agree. So it's always the woman's fault in your own. Yeah, because you have the reason to... The reason is because you have the option to opt out. No, you're very misinformed about abuse, clearly, domestic violence, things like that. You don't understand that. What do I not understand? There's something... There's a process that happens in which a person literally becomes physically addicted to a relationship and they cannot leave it.

And not to mention coercive control, taking away a woman's income. These all of these other things prevent... You act like... They can just leave. What's stopping you from getting a job? What's stopping you from getting a job? An abusive partner that prevents you from getting one. What's stopping you from going to the police? An abusive partner that convinces you that all cops are bastards. Convinces you, right? But you don't have to believe him. So that's a choice. There's actually... And I think it's when it comes to... I think it's when a man... I grew up as children for abusive relationships and then as an adult... Probably by the mothers. Yeah. But because here's the thing, I think I'm more feminist than a lot of feminist women, to be honest, because... I think that's possible. I think that women are responsible for your choices. And you want to blame somebody else and I say blame yourself. And I think that's the most feminist thing I can say. I think it's beautiful when people actually have the resources and the knowledge to get out of relationships like that. But I'm not going to blame the victim in those situations. Like you are and you just think it's so easy to do.

Well, what resources do you need? There's so many women's... Like I said, women's shelters in every city. And there's a lot of free resources for women that are... You can get housing free if you're in an abusive relationship. If you live in a town with 200 people, you probably don't have a domestic violence shelter next to you. Well, no, if you're a man, you don't have a domestic violence shelter next to you because they're all made for women. And so, no matter where violence is perpetrated by which sexed pearl, which pearl. Because women murder. And a quarter of women have murdered their kid. All right, let's fact check that. Which sexed... A quarter of a... Commit a majority of violent crimes. Let's do murder and rape. Well, we include abortion for murder. That's in eighth of the world. Nobody with a logical brain is going to consider abortion murder. Unless you're a fundamentalist. I'm not Christian or someone who's just trying to say I'm not a criminal. I'm not religious. You really think it's abortion. I'm not religious. From what point then, Pearl, I'm curious. The second conception. Do you know what? We could even do three months. I would actually make a deal with the pro-choice. Three months.

If I did make a deal... I don't know. If I made a deal with the pro... I'm all about we can come to a middle ground. Morally, whatever. But I could make a deal with the pro-life, with the pro-choice and say, Hey, let's stop arguing and just cut it at three months. That's a deal. Totally. Even if we go off of that, because abortion's free up to six months in the UK, and it's a free up to six months, women have still murdered more than men. Even if we consider it like three to if we include the later term abortion. Once again, I'm not going to consider that murder. I'm going to consider it ending a clump of cells of a body that is not conscious. When would you consider it murder? I think it depends on the situation. I don't think there's a hard number. It's got to be on a fact. I think laws aren't necessarily just hard. I think if they are, but that's how it's there can be different circumstances in which it could happen at a later date. I think that's a reasonable compromise, don't you? No. I think three months is enough time. You don't think if the women's the mother's life is at risk

that there should never be any abortion. I think I want to encourage more women to be responsible adults and be responsible for your choice. Honestly, I think we should give out RUD. I think 14. I think I'm more feminist than women. I think I'm more feminist than feminist today. And that's what definition of feminism is. Believing in equality. So if we're going to go off what feminists say the definition is, I'm all about being equal. Right? So if you're going to be equal, then be equal. Be responsible for your choices. If you choose to be in an abusive relationship, you made that choice. Nobody, you got hinged. There's tinder. You're a person would say you chose to be in an abusive relationship. No, no, no. That's called manipulation. That would be a responsible person. There's coercion. And that's what I want to encourage. I want to see more women. I think you should educate yourself about this if you're going to be a good feminist. And you're such a big. I've been such a great feminist. You are such a big voice. Honestly, you do have a big impact. I'm genuinely serious. If you educated just a little bit about the topic of domestic violence because it does affect so many people, I don't think it's a choice. I don't think a man that's in an abusive situation chose it. And I don't think a woman that's in an abusive situation chose it.

Legally, can you call the cops on someone abusive? Abusing you. Yes. OK. There's nothing stop. And you ladies put on your big, put on your big, put on your big girl pants and call the cops. As you look at, feminists fought for all this freedom. I'm saying here it is. You have feminism. You guys won. Yeah. Alamoni, shall support. You got, you got, you got, wait, let me, let me finish. Let me finish. Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me finish. OK. Sorry. So I'm saying feminism won. You got all this freedom. You have the freedom to call the cops. You have the freedom to leave any situation you want and still have the government pay for it. There's a bunch of handouts. You have the freedom to get on birth control. You have the freedom to get now you dig, get an abortion. And I'm saying use it and you're responsible for what you choose. But what you guys want to do or maybe not, in general, they want to say, I made this choice and I'm not responsible for it. No, you are. Pick one. Pick one. Good. I don't think that people that get an abusive situations chose that. I think a lot of the time they ended up in a situation

outside of their control and someone is trying to take advantage of them and harm them. And once again, my focus is on why do people in the first place feel entitled to control and abuse others. Your focus seems to be on victims just not leaving. I want to talk about abusers in the first place and why they feel entitled to do that. And personally, I think a lot of the things that you say and teach make men entitled to be abusive. So I actually think I'm more empowering. I'm empowering women because I'm saying, yes, you have the autonomy and the freedom to leave. So leave. So if anything, I'm the one that's feminist. I'm the one that's pro woman here. Because I'm saying ladies, you don't have to let a guy beat you ass. Get out of there. Call the cops. A pro woman right here. So two, you said it's outside of your control. Assuming that the person is over the age of 18. Okay, I want to walk through the dating process nowadays for a woman. Please teach me. So as a woman, you have dating apps.

And that's how people are meeting now. If we look at all the trends, the number one way that people meet is online. So you download Tinder, Tinge. All the data says women have thousands of matches. Even if you're fat, old and ugly, you have a ton of choice as a girl. And you still found a way to pick the one guy that's going to beat your ass. I think that's a skill issue. I think that's a skill issue. I think that's a skill issue. To think that you care about women, you care about getting clout at the expense of women. All right. Why do I want to talk? But why? I know multiple women. I know multiple women who went all the way until they had a child with a man before he ever showed one ounce of abusive behavior. At that point, the woman has a child with this man. They don't have an income. They're dependent on this man. And your response is just leave without, without acknowledging all of the tons of other things influencing that woman's decision. Maybe the father of their children, their dad is a police officer.

I am using specific examples of women I know. And so, like I said before, if you actually care about women, which I highly, highly doubt, you will spend an ounce of time educating yourself about how you're very wrong about domestic violence. Yes. So again, I think I'm more pro-woman than you because I, I'm saying, I'm saying, but it's not true. I'm saying ladies, ladies, you're empowered. Just leave. Like you're saying that. We're saying that is laughability. Hostage is, I'm saying leave. I know you had the other thing. The other thing, the other thing is, as you have a lot of, you can file a report against a police officer. That happens all the time. But police officers get fired. In fact, we've seen instances where there were riots to get police officers fired. That happens all the second thing, um, cloud. So I just want to get cloud. Why? What do you think that? I don't know. You seem kind of desperate for attention or something. Why? Why? Because I, because I have different beliefs than you. I can't get into, no, no, no. I can't get into, I don't know your personal history. And I can't get into personal attacks.

So I'm not going to respond to that question. Right. But the, what, because here, because here's my issue, it's feminist. They say you can have freedom of thought as a woman. And that you can think for yourself, but whenever a woman does it, they say you're just doing it for cloud. Because I don't think that's true. Oh, I don't think that's true. Does it, no, I disagree with you all the time. And I don't think you're doing it for cloud. I think it's very, very obvious that you're addicted to cloud. Whatever it is, like your, your rage bait. It's not, it's not rage. You're going to be out for them. It's not rage. I'll give you that. I don't agree with you. Like, why is it that when a woman doesn't agree with you, it has to be for cloud. It has to be rage. Like what, like I said before, it doesn't. In this specific instance, it is. Because I want to empower women that are victims of abuse to get you ass out of that girl. Yeah, you guys come on, girl. There's a tendency. Hostages just leave. There's just leave. Don't let them, here's the thing. It takes work. If you're a victim, if you're a victim, you don't care. You're going to insulting that. Trying to know it's insulting to convince women that are victim. Like you care. It's, it's, it's insulting to convince women that they're victims in this when you are empowered. We are in a feminist country.

Feminism has won. And you can call the cops. You can do whatever you want in this country. It's almost not complicated. It's a violation. Now you are, you are, you are responsible for your choices. You wanted equality. You got it. Here you go, ladies. There's no excuses now. All right, we're at 16 minutes. So I think it seems like you guys have made your point. Unless there's new points to introduce, I suggest we get to our closing statements. I hope you guys want to go first. Go ahead. Like I said before, women are the most likely perpetrators of murder against their infant children. And that is because women spend more time with their children, caretaking their children. The second thing is postpartum psychosis is an illness that only affects women. Are you trying to say that this illness should not be admissible in court just because it doesn't affect men? Yes. OK, of course you would say that. All right, so like I said before, as soon as you look at the ratio of caretaking time to harm,

it actually points in the other direction towards fathers. Yeah, so just so the audience knows, what they do to make it seem like fathers are abusive, because they're actually not abusive at all. They're really nice, really giving, really caring people. So what they do is they include step-dads, which again, the woman is responsible for. You are responsible for, as a woman, we're an a feminist nation. You are free, ladies. But you are responsible for the behavior of men. She's got to stop. You got to move. You got to move. You got to, so ladies, you are free. So you are free to pick non-abuse of men. And if you pick one out, you get thousands of matches on dating apps, you can pick one that's not going to beat your ass. And if you pick one that does, that's a skill issue. Second thing is, I don't like infantilizing women. So as an adult, you are responsible. And also, there's no excuse for killing your kids, not postpartum depression, not drugs, not watching the kid more. I think it's ridiculous that we are giving an excuse

to women that are committing murder. Feminists never give excuses for men that commit rape, right? It's not, a man is still responsible, even if he has higher testosterone, even if he was pressured. Whatever excuse they give, they would never have it. And I agree, they shouldn't. However, when it comes to women committing a crime, every excuse possible is always thrown in the book. I want feminists to really actually be equal, equal prison time, equal sentencing, and being responsible adults. I'll give you 20 seconds. You know what? I want women to be equal too. So we need to start doing our job and committing way more murder and way more rape because it's overwhelmingly committed by the male sex. A small percentage of the male sex, I'd like to acknowledge, because men are fucking dope. Those people are not, and those are the ones that should be focused on. And unfortunately, postpartum psychosis is something where someone is not living in an accurate reality, like the rest of us.

It involves delusions and hallucinations. They don't even know they are sick. That is the whole point, and that is why so many women are identifying with this case. They're not excusing it. They see themselves in those shoes. And I'm sorry that you don't understand how statistics work. But yes, the caretaking to harm ratio is relevant. Maybe you should brush up on your statistics. Okay, do you know what? I actually, I think she's flipped me. I totally agree. There is, you should be able to murder your kids and just blame it on postpartum depression. Yeah, that's what I was arguing, you guys. But I also, I'm also saying, guys, if you cheat on your wives, it was your testosterone. Yeah, your testosterone is in blame. And you know what? You know it made you do it. It's just, you can't help it. You had, when your wife's a bitch and nagging and doing all that, it just drove you to do it. You're not responsible. It was your hormones, fellas. She's a feminist who loves to call women, bitches. And hose. Bye. All right, guys, we are here with 10 versus one

with Pearl Davis, our host today. And we are working on the prompt. Women are terrible mothers. They hate their children. So who wants to go first? Do you want me to start? I'll start off. Let's go Pearl. So I have something to ask you. So I'm like you, like in a weird way. I'm an anti-feminist. I agree with you on a lot of different views. But I'm also the same way against men. I'm hard on men. And the reason I'm hard on men is because I want them to be better. I want them to, I think we're weak. I think masculinity has been diminishing this world today. And I'm trying to coach them. I'm trying to educate them. And so I'm hard on them. I pick them apart. And I say things like there are terrible men out there. And we need to improve masculinity in our world. But I don't say they're terrible fathers. I don't try to demean them. I try to educate. I try to empower. So this generalization, I know you don't mean all women are terrible and things like that. But where is this coming from?

I would say that you can't say that about men because it wouldn't be true. Men raise great kids when you look at the outcomes for their children, they're awesome. And men are doing everything. They're building civilization. They're maintaining civilization. They're protecting civilization. What more could we ask of men to do? So not saying they're not bad actors, but as a group collectively, I would say they're doing more good. And harm, even if men get out of line, men will fight tooth and nail to throw the evil men in jail. I'm sure if somebody attacked, like there's a man right there protecting me from these crazy women. Right? So, yeah. So men will fight tooth and nail to do the right thing. If anything, men do the right thing too much. It's used against the guys. This is actually for Popda for the first time. So you said men raise great kids. This is broadly supported by researchers showing that fathers involvement is associated with better cognitive social behavior and academic outcomes for children, though effects vary and are not universal. OK. So the reason I give a generalization for women is for me, the most important thing is to be accurate.

OK. And I believe that is accurate based on women's words. Sure. Women say firsthand on TikTok, they can try to belittle it, demean it, and gaslight it. But women are saying that we don't want to be moms and that we hate kids. Like women will go on TikTok, talk about how much they hate their kids. I believe women. I'm here, you know, believing women at their word second actions. We're abortion, neglect, abuse. Yeah. That's true. And then what happens after that, raising the kids? Women do a terrible job. And I think it's because we're more chaotic and we just can't. Men have structure and routine. I think that's really what it boils down to, where women, we eat different things every day. We do different things every day. It's just not good for kids. So if women were out there being amazing mothers, I would make a good generalization. Sure. The harder I look for anything that we do, well, I can't find it. Sure. People think I'm rage-baiting or click me. I'm not. I got nothing. So I looked for you. I got nothing. So here's another one. So this is another kind of mixed opinion version.

But it's somehow support to a parole saying, which is she said, women do a terrible job raising kids. It's saying it's unsupported and sweeping. But then it says, father involvement is associated with better child outcomes that does not necessarily imply that mothers do a terrible job. And also, I look at things at three levels. So I do have one level of stats. What do the numbers say? However, being in this industry, it's very easy for people to manipulate them. Second, I look at my personal, what am I seeing in front of me? Most of the single moms I know were awful. Terrible. And then I go the third route, what am I seeing in the media? Like what are the big news stories? And also, what am I seeing on social media? Sure. And then women, we're not beating these allegations. We're going on social media, saying we hate our kids. And then on top of that, we're throwing our kids in dumpsters, sleeping with students. You know, maybe I'm really feminist, ladies, let's get something going. Let's do something right. No, I hear you, but I think that's not to put point fingers.

I think that's more systematic and societal issues right now. I think a lot of those loud women that you see on social media are online are single mothers, are unhappy, unhealed, broken women who just like all of us, we're all just looking for love. We're all just looking to start a family, I think for the most part. And I find it really hard for women to love their children and to be happy all the time and be the strongest parents ever when they're single. And they don't have that male counterpart with them and they're alone in their bitter. It takes two people to have a child. And if there's a single mom there who is unhappy and doesn't like their kids, it's because that father's no longer there. And I... Well, the father protects the woman from herself and protects her kid. True. If anything, it's protecting the child from our poor choices spending too much money, getting into a bunch of debt. And this is where I get really hard on them. Because I think men aren't being the providers,

the protectors they need to be. I think men are weak. Yeah, I think men are sleeping around. I think they're not committing. And I like you, I've heard you talk about abortions before about how abortions are women hating children. I don't think abortions are... abortions are women hating children. I think abortions are a cause or a symptom of the absence of values, a miscarriage of just of values in society and it's an easy fix. But it's not because they hate kids. It's because they made poor decisions. They had poor values or sleeping around. But I blame men for that too. That's a big problem. And this anti-feminist movement that has happened that I agree with you in a lot. That it's not women hating their kids because they want they hate their kids. It's the situation they're in and that they put themselves in and they're alone, they're angry, they're broke. And the kids are paying the price for the anti-feminist movement,

which crushes me. I think that rhetoric does a disservice to women. Because you're taking accountability and agency from our choices. So if you're killing a kid, you hate kids. It's that simple. If you're murdering your kids, it's not because of miscarriage, derization of value. They're all this kind of profits. You are selfish and you hate your kids. And you don't want to be a mother and you're okay with pulling kids apart one by one. Literally pulling the limbs off of the child. What is worse? Do you think Lindsey killed her kids because she hated them or do you think Lindsey? Well, as she was killing them, supposedly, she was telling them God is good. She was wearing a cross. It doesn't matter. Her ideology for killing them was I want to protect them. I want to be with them and not to get into the Kalei Tee case. But her goal at the end of that was to die at the end with them. So she wanted to be with them. This was out of love. Now I get it. It's crazy. Well, that's why she criminally insane. Absolutely. But I think that's, again, it doesn't help women because you're taking away.

You got to hold women know what they're doing. Women are meticulous. From Eve, women are meticulously manipulative, malicious. Of course, you guys are, white guys are so nice. You guys always want to assume the best and it's used against you constantly. It's so like, no, she knows what she's doing. Women are manipulative and they're evil. I don't think I'm nice. I think I'm smart. I think I'm wise. And I know that already. I know women are evil. And let me put this in a better terms. I'm a Catholic, okay? And we're born with original sin, which means that we're all infallible. We're all going to make mistakes. We're all going to have sin. And I believe that the feminist movement is envy. Is women saying that just like me too, I want this. I want the same rights. I want this and the kids are, like I said, are paying the price for it. And I think, I got to lost my point here.

Let me bring it back. Women, just like men, just like human beings, are infallible. And we are weak, absent-minded humans who need guidance, need God, need leadership. And that's where men, logic, who think with logic as opposed to emotion, step in, come into the picture. And I think there's just an absence of that. A growth of... Feminism is not a movement. It's a strategy. Yeah. And it's using men's protector instinct against them to get men to do as much as possible for his little in return. And so when you mention that you blame men for being not being traditional and sleeping around, what you have to give an incentive, what do they get out of it? Traditional men are punished in the legal system, and they're also punished by women. We love criminals, right? I mean, we just had a woman come in here and fight for to date an abusive guy. It's just crazy. So you can't...

Because you're part of feminism if you are convincing men to do something for nothing in return. Because that's what everyone men are meant to build, maintain, protect civilization, provide. And women are supposed to, you know, wife, kids, be loyal, give a family and return respect, obedient. And so what feminism is is saying, we don't have to do any of that and we still get all of this. And I don't think men are wrong for saying, well, I don't get that in return anymore. So like, you know, you're... Guys, guys keep bringing a knife to a gun fight. It's a gun fight. Sure. So you... What happens to... Cool from Untouchables, by the way. And that's what I say. I actually don't know where it came from. I've heard that. That's from Untouchables movie by Elliot Ness from 87. Shown Connery, by the way. But yeah, okay. I've just heard that over the years, be it? Yeah. So what about unhappy men? Are unhappy men bad bad fathers, for example? Like single, single men. Are they bad fathers? Are you saying... We're good fathers. So it's just women by their instinct,

their innate nature, their... Women destroy everything we touch. Because they're just selfish by nature. And they're always thinking for themselves, rather. It's... I can't tell you why. I'm not going to... Yeah. I don't know why we're like this. All I can do is look at what we do. And it just seems to be that women, whatever we touch, we destroy. When we get power and influence and civilization, we destroy even influencers. Yeah. How many... I've seen somebody conservative influencers divorce their husbands in the last five years. They get a little internet cloud and then... Fuck the family, right? Do you think kids should... Like, you didn't try to... Or in your Catholic channel, and had a co-host that got divorced. I don't know. I hear a number's name, but they all pretend it's not happening. And then I always find out the same thing happened to them. It's just crazy. So I was raised that there's a mother, father, household, you raise a children, and you're not supposed to technically have a child unless there's two parents, mother, father, traditional household. So, okay. In that setting, in the setting that I grew up

in more traditional settings, the women, the mothers love their children. And they even, I would say, they love them unconditionally. And I would say... Then why did they divorce their husbands? The highest divorce rate was 1970. Because that's an issue with their husband. And that's an issue more with outside external pressures, rather than the child. No, but again, that doesn't help us. That doesn't help us by saying it's an issue with the husband. No, it's selfish. It's that's... It's that's an issue with the wife. You know, you divorcing your husband is a bad choice and you're a bad person for doing it. Because that is a bad thing to do. But I'm saying, oh, it's the pressure, it's society, it's bullshit. And it's demeaning to women that don't make those try-no women that have loved their, you know, as much as I talk, she's not women. I know traditional women that have submitted, obeyed, and loved their husband for life. But to act like that's the norm, it's just gaslighting. No, that is the exception. And it's a very rare exception. I can think of maybe three. Do you agree that parents should stay together even if they're unhappy for their child? I want to see more men divorce their wives and take the kids.

I think again, you're bringing... You need to protect... Patrick Clancy should have left her. Okay. He should have divorced her and taken the kids to protect the children. If you are dealing with a terrorist at home, you need to leave for the sake of the kids. Sure. Because we keep saying that women are nurturing. They destroy. And it's so obvious when you look at it, like, women are chaotic. Like, we have new hobbies. We do every six months. We have different foods. We eat every day. Like, we want to go... We care about status, so they'll throw the kid... They'll make the kid... You know, they'll push him to be a doctor or a lawyer, even though the kid doesn't want that. Like, mothers just destroy everything that they touch. And I'm sick of pretending they don't. I'm sick of saying it's society. No, it's the evil mother. I want men, strong men, to real that in. I want them to lead the household. I want them to... But they can't lead a terrorist. If she doesn't want to follow you, you divorce her. Because that's... That's part... That's again, that's convincing men to do more for less. You're saying, lead. Just lead better. And then in return, you get what? She says, no, I don't want to. Lead better. Okay, she still doesn't want to.

No, divorce her. Because she doesn't get your protection and... You don't get protecting the house, maintaining the house and doing all this... Like, men are the problem solvers. And they do the most for society. Yeah. And if she... Okay, if she's being a terrorist of a wife, leave. Because it's for the sake of the kids. Leave divorce her and say that she was emotionally abusive. She would do it to you. So if she... You get... You go... You file a PPO against her. And you say, your honor, she was emotionally abusive. Hey, so Patrick of divorce Lindsay and took the kids. He should have. Do you think she would still love the kids? Or do you think she'd like... She didn't love the kids. She always hated them. So I don't know. You got to believe... I don't know what it is with guys. It's... Okay, woman does tear it two plus two equals four. Woman murders her kids. She did not love the kids. I'd love to protect them. I mean, that was her crazy theory. That's why 11 to 1 jurors supported that. Why would you believe that? Because it's crazy. You know, like, it's crazy and sounds.

No, but you're a man. You know that's bullshit. You know what? You turn your smile. You know in your soul. That is complete bullshit. I know by the letter of the law. That's why the law exists. Well, just as a law exists, it doesn't mean it's just... It doesn't mean it's right. And so, yeah, if a woman kills her kids, she doesn't care about the kid. You should have divorced her ass. So you know what's crazy? I actually think that... And this is going to strengthen your point for a second. But what would you do? That would happen with the Lindsay and Patrick Lancy case. And I think this will be talked about in the next trial. Is I actually do think there was infidelity. I think he was cheating on her. I think she knew that he was going to leave her eventually. And in doing so, he was going to take the kids away from her at least 50-50 custody, maybe even more, because she has documented medical history. And I think she knew that. I do think it was premeditated. She had some sort of motive. And that's why she didn't want her kids taken away from her. And deep down inside, because she loved them so much, because she wanted to protect them,

because she thought she was the best mother. She was saying God is good. She was strangling them in yada yada. She was doing it technically out of love. And when I tell people about this, when I have this legal argument of people, they say, oh, well, that's premeditation. That's motive. If they bring this to trial, they're going to find no sense. There's a legal term, I'm not the like boy, but it's called altruic filicide. Altruistic filicide that Dr. Resnick talked about. And we keep making up words. These are legal terms. I don't care if it's a legal term. Immotional abuse is illegal term. It doesn't mean it's real. It's intent. When you talk about murder, it's what your intent is, where your mind was, what you were thinking. Was it guilty, malicious mind? I'm going to ask you something. There's been situations. And I probably am getting the name wrong. I think it was Jim Jones or something. Every bold journey starts with a decision to go. And if you're ready, the defender is too. This is a vehicle built for more, whether you're heading off the grid or just getting out of town for the weekend. Defender is a true icon, reimagined for a new generation.

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hey, we're all going to kill ourselves and we're all going to go to heaven. Seems very similar to that, like halts, that sort of thing. I mean, I think it's Jim Jones where they killed everybody. I mean, how do you respond to that sort of situation? They're all going to go meet God. I think that's a crazy scenario. You know, if you look at Jim Jones be like, I don't know what's the outcome of that kind of situation for that kind of person. That's convincing people that they're all going to die and go to God and just like you said, with these events. Well, if they're either dead or, well, I just fall the law. You know, the letter of the law, and if the law exists and Kevin Rennington, they knew it. They had everything they needed. They had years and years of documented history that she was, that she was a mental, you know, they had it. They had the case and the case was based off of the prosecution's burden to prove, they had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was not crazy at all, like at all, you know,

and she was completely sane. So if there was any doubt that she was crazy, they would have to go not guilty. And that's what happened. So they knew the letter of the law. Now I get it today. Maybe manipulate a little bit. Is this issue real? But all these words are just made up to excuse women's bad behavior. I'm with you. It's just made up stuff like two plus two equals four. But it exists. She hates her. It doesn't matter if it, but she plus two equals four. If you kill your kids, you hate them. But now we're getting it. I think she killed her kids because she was getting cheated on and because her husband was going to do it. That's even worse. I get it. That's even worse. But that's a scorned woman. That's a scot. That is, that is, that is not, I hate my kids. I want to, I want to kill them. It's my life is gone. My husband just tore up my whole life. The person who I locked my life down to who I was going to give, though, that I'm a, I'm pregnant with this third child. I am alone and I know he's out in New York cheating on me with Rachel. It's not that I hate these kids. It was not that I didn't like cheating is the worst thing to ever happen. You're not even there. When you're married, when you're married and you have three kids and this is your one life.

Every bitch has been cheated on. And you're going to start crying about it. And you're going to start being here after you're talking to doctor. You're at the doctor and you're like, okay, no support. I just want to, I just want you to know that like in the, in the position you're in, I believe women are just going to, because this is what happens. They confuse you guys and you become enablers because you're like enabling their bad behavior because women are very reputation based. So when you say that's what we need to be stronger. So when you say, oh, she had good intent or blah, blah, blah, you're just enabling more women to say that. And the real heroes, the unsung heroes are the men that say she's a bitch, divorce her, put her on child's foot, put her on alimony, put her at file a PPO against her. These are terrorists. And the problem is men aren't willing to be strong in a way where we give women consequences. Strong. So we're at 19 minutes. I'd love for you to give your closing statements and then we'll do the same for all. Amazing. So you say strong. If, if Lindsey clansies my wife, okay, and she's getting sick and she goes to see help and she's getting worse and worse and worse, I'm quitting my job.

I'm switching up my whole life and I'm dedicating the rest of my life into making money if I have, or however. But making sure she's okay, making sure the my wife and the mother of my kids, you wouldn't dishear a wife that's because I love this. I mean to kill your kid. And this is what I mean. This is why women are doing it. She's telling me, Billy, I, I, I, you know, I love our children. I'm going to blame this on the guy, but I'm so sick that I'm having issues and I'm coming to you with this vulnerable. Yeah, I'm going to do everything I possibly can to protect you. Make sure you're okay. I think I think enabling, I think enabling is men being weak and men saying this, and men, and men saying this feminist movement is okay. This feminist movement is not okay. This me to need to be diminished. Right. And we're going to, it's time. We're fighting back. And yes, we are. We're fighting back. We're going to get out of jail. Free cards. So you're talking. That's weak. This is letter of the law stuff.

I don't, I'm here. I'm here. It's all new. No one harder. I'm with you. I'm an anti-feminist who but there's no more harder on men than me. We need to stop enabling some of this weak selfish behavior that you're talking about. Absolutely, but that takes strong men. Let's start with you. Women hate their kids. Two minutes. Two minutes. You got the way to close out. Yeah, so I mean, I think I made my point. We got to just stop. Here's what I would say. We got to stop enabling women by giving them get out of jail free cards and excuses. Some things deserve no excuses. Killing your kids. You didn't do that out of love. You did that out of hatred, selfishness, and despicableness. And I really wish that by conclusion in society wasn't that women destroy everything, ruin everything and are terrible people, including being mothers. But when I look at what's happening in front of me based on the data, based on the statistics and also what I'm seeing in the media, women openly saying, I think I'm the only one being honest here. Because I think it's dishonest to say anything, but Lindsey Clancy was a terrible person.

She deserves to die and she hated her kids. So that's all I got. All right, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Yeah. We're going to thank you. All right, we are here with the 10 versus one with Pearl Davis. Pearl, if you don't mind reading the first prompt to the camera right over there. I believe that Lindsey Clancy should be convicted of murder. You want to know why? Yep. I would love to know. Because she admitted me. I'm going to say, I would love to know. You have more than three words to say to me. I know. It's really that simple. She admitted it. Do you think there was a proper investigation done? I think that the only investigation I need is that she admitted it. Yeah. Do you think that her admission could be inadvisible due to the way it was? Nope. You don't think that when she woke up, she first of all, she was handcuffed to the hospital bed. This entire time, she hadn't even said a word yet when she was handcuffed and then she woke up and said, what? That she didn't remember what happened.

That she did it. That she didn't remember. Did she did? She admitted after. She was told, listen, listen, listen Linda. Did she admit to it? She was told, she's on drugs, heavily medicated. Woke up, didn't remember. Listen. If anything, if anything, drugs are true. You don't have to just speak to her. She didn't remember what happened. She was told what was happened. A professional testified in court that in that kind of a situation where you wake up, heavily medicated, don't remember what happened and are told what you did. It heavily affects your recollection and can cause false memories. So could that be inadmissible? No. Because she admitted it. Oh, here we go again. No, I really think. You're going again. And the other thing too, like she hasn't said that she didn't do it. This entire time she's she played not guilty. No by reason of it saying she played not guilty. But she still admitted that she did it.

Well, she was heavily medicated. That's not what the that's not what it is. But that's not what the defense is saying. It is though. No, it's not. They're going at that angle. No, they're not. But the options for the verdict are not guilty. Right. It's an option for the verdict, but it's not what they're arguing. They're arguing at the angle. That's not only angle I have it. Imagine they tried the other eights, they were failed. Because she didn't do enough. No, okay. Evident. They didn't do enough of a investigation because she admitted it. You can't. Wow. Here we go again. The only three words she has. There's two fact checks here. So supported Lindsey Clancy has not denied causing death of her trillion, even though she played not guilty. Karen reporting says she does not disagree killing her children, but is pursuing a lack of criminal responsibility and sanity style defense or the idea that she has not said that she did his broadly, she didn't do it as broadly accurate, but that is different from a confession or admission of criminal guilt. So she is not saying that she didn't do it, but she's not saying that she did do it.

I would still say that I believe she did it because she admitted it. Fuck. And that's all I need. Okay. This is what we're going to do again. I mean, we did this for like hours yesterday. Yeah, because I think that people bring it out. I think people bring another stuff because they're trying to confuse you, but it's really cut and dry. It's really not cut and dry. Okay, say to you. Look, listen to me. It's cut and dry. How's the cut dry? If you're a police officer and you show up to a scene with three dead children, a mother who is severely injured and can't talk and a father unscathed tells you exactly what happened. And then once she could talk, she was already haphazard l can take you when she took you can talk when she could talk. She did know what happened when she could talk. When she could talk, she did what she didn't know what happened when she could talk. When she could talk, she was told what happened. When she could talk she is the theory that you didn't lose it.

I don't think she did it, but who did it? investigation done. Okay. Because. I can't say she didn't do it. I can't say he didn't do it. Because and according to the... Why? Yeah, tell me why there was an improper investigation. It's only why that one of the substance was against it. It's only an improper investigation according to you, random woman, not subject matter expert, right? Oh yeah. And also too, because she admitted it. So and that's enough for me. I think it's enough for most sane people. We don't need to do a whole deep dive. I think she admitted it. I think postpartum depression is not an excuse. I don't give a shit about that. Yeah, she should still get... I actually think she should be executed. We agree on the fact that if she did it and it was due to whatever postpartum that she should still suffer the consequences. We agree on that. Correct. But I don't think that there was a proper investigation done to prove that she did... What do you think was improper? Go ahead. Well, first of all, they didn't test the medication that Patrick said was crushed up medication

and it didn't test... How did he know it was crushed? Didn't test medication. No, I want to write down so we're going through. Okay. They didn't test the medication. No, they just believed what Patrick said. Okay. First of all, he testified. He comes up to the house. He said, this is like a 10 to 20 second clip of his testimony saying, hey, I pulled into the driveway. I parked next to her car. I went in the house. I didn't know if she was home or not, because I didn't see her car. So I called her. So you say you parked next to her car and then you say you didn't see her car. That's why you called her to see where she was. Okay. So something about a parked car. Don't do this. I mean, this just... Don't do what I'm listening to what you're saying. What is it so? And she admitted it. That's what it is. Because it doesn't want to... I need something that's better. Can you confidently tell me that Patrick Clancy was investigated?

And all of the crime scene was investigated properly. I am not a subject matter expert in that field. But have you looked into it? I trust the experts more than you. And I believe that she admitted it. And I think that's enough. So he also testified that when he got into the room where she supposedly jumped from, that there was so much blood on the wall that it looked like it was sprayed with a hose. Every single other first responder that testified said there was no blood on the fucking wall. And he was traumatized, right? Okay. So this is my point. This is my point. Women say all the time. All the time that trauma affects your recall. Women say that. Women say that. Women say that's what you're saying, right? Well, you can't. Well, you're agreeing with me now. I'm taking this argument. I'm taking this argument. So if that affects her recall, but it can affect his recall. So you're agreeing that it could... So you're agreeing that it could affect... According to you, that could affect recall. So you're agreeing. So his trauma can affect recall. So you're agreeing that that can affect recall? No.

But I think it's a... I think it's a... I think it's a stupid argument. Did he like... I'm not going to go... He looked here. I think she made it clear. I think she made it clear. Oh my god. That's not... We did this yesterday for hours. Yeah. Campy moves. Look. I would be the twelfth of juror. So by the way, I'm not... The trauma can affect recall. There's a 94% confirmation that here, where is it? What could it were that go? This thing's moving so quick. Anyway, I saw it there. Trauma could affect recall basically was confirming that idea. That it could affect recall. Yeah. So I mean, this man just watched his kids get murdered. So maybe he didn't remember every detail of the story. So that's my point. But if I did it or if I didn't do it, that's a big detail. If there's a bigger detail than the blood splattering. If there's a few holes in a story, fine. If there's... If it's the holes in a story, that's gonna... That's weird. But these are big. You guys wanna read this. Trauma could affect recall because I finally stopped it. So this is supported by psychological research joined PTSD and traumatic stress can impair all-term memory

and recall in some context. It affects very by study and type of memory. Can you fact check that the specialist who testified in court that if you wake up and you're medicated and you don't remember what happened and you're told what was happened, how that affects your ability to recall the memory. Okay, that's your pop-up since you said it right into the mic. It'll pop... I mean, you guys should keep going. It'll pop up when it pops up. Yeah, so none of these details are really that big to me. Okay, the blood splatter, the... Something about testing the medication. You're just not giving me anything. Okay, so that really negates that... What are we gonna do? That's way I'm gonna finish and then you can go. Okay. That's more impactful than that she admitted. Okay, so that's one thing though. There's too many other things. Okay, okay. First of all, can you summarize in like... No, there's too many things to summarize. There are too many discrepancies to even summarize. For example, I looked up...

Her body temperature was 82 degrees, right? I looked up her specific injuries, her being laying in the fucking snow. Okay. And then according to all of that information that I gave, it would take the very least three hours to reach a body temperature of 82 degrees. Fact check that please. Okay, so she actually popped up her body temperature was 82 degrees. It says, so widely reported trial details says. Yeah, so... For body temperature of 82.1. To me, that's not strong enough evidence. How not? Because it doesn't point to anyone else. It just says she had a body temperature. Three hour timeline. Okay. This is supposedly like less than 30 minute timeline that this all happened. It's not enough for me. It takes three hours. It's not enough. With every single injury she has, falling out of the roof, laying in the snow with that temperature. She just popped up. So the claim that it would take at least three hours to reach a body temperature of 82 degrees is not well supported as a general fact. The source indicated that emotional is trauma patient can lose about three to five degrees

Fahrenheit of a core temperature per hour and frozen ground conditions. And the cooling depends on factors like injury severity, blood loss, and cooling in her rules. Exactly. She didn't include her injuries. Every single injury she had, blood loss. What should her temperature have been? What should her temperature have been? I didn't look up what her temperature had. Oh my god. It said at the very least. So what should have been? I want to know what's the difference. That's important. How long it takes to get to a body temperature? No, I don't. But that's why my three hours. Okay. If it's a five degree difference, a 10 to 20 to 30. Three hours. What is the difference? I can't tell you that's pretty important. She knows that there's inconsistencies, but not necessarily that there's another theory of who killed the children. I'm saying there was an improper investigation done and it was not fair. And there's no actual proof that she did it. Her fingerprints. Except. No, she admitted it. Okay.

That's all I need. Okay. Her fingerprints were not on the knife. So. What do you mean? So here we go again. So. So she admitted it. So that means she couldn't have done it. Why wouldn't her fingerprints be on the knife that she used to cut her neck and her wrist before she jumped out the one noise around things? Why would she do that? Because she didn't want to get caught. Okay. Okay. So you're saying that she strangled her three children. Yeah. She crushed up pills mixed with lemonade took them. Slit her wrist. Slit her throat. Wipe the blade off. Took her apple her watch off. Then it would move the bed. It would make sense to wipe her murder. It would make sense to wipe her murder. If you're going to kill yourself, why would you do that? Then move the bed. How do you know she wanted to kill herself? Then move the bed. Like. And jumped out the window. I mean, it was like a two-story house. That's not that good of a couple of weeks.

That makes it even longer. You've got to go up and sit down. Yeah, but that's not even... You think of the definitive that she wanted to die with. That's your idea. The defense attorney in her closing statements literally verbatim said that all that was done couldn't be possible in that timeline. She literally said that. Okay. Well, then why didn't she really wanted to kill herself? Why didn't she get it gone? That would have done the job. Exactly. If she wanted to kill herself, she would have. She is a nurse. Why did she look up where the carotid artery is? And why did she spell it wrong? So let me get this straight. Your evidence that she didn't do it is because she looked up where an artery was and spelled it. She's a fucking nurse. So why would she not know where the carotid artery is? So that doesn't prove anything. Why was suicide methods Googled on the home computer while she wasn't even in the home? So let me get this straight. Let me get this straight. Your evidence that Patrick did it. I'm not saying... She Googled some things. No. I'm not saying he didn't. I'm not saying she did that. Tested medication. Her body temperature was off, but we don't even know what it was supposed to be.

Three hours off. But we don't even know what it was supposed to be. We know that it takes three hours to get to that. You don't even know what it's supposed to be. I know that it takes three hours to get to that. Do you? I looked it up and did research. Okay. So again, this is just not strong enough for me. You don't think with all these holes in the story that there wasn't... Did you know also it's either his dad or his grandfather who was a previous head police chief for this county, the county that had happened in? Is that where he's from? Yep. That's where there's this county that had happened. That would make sense to be... I don't think that's weird. You don't think it's weird that the previous DA immediately bought his house. If I... The DA immediately bought his house. Most people have relatives that do those kind of jobs. The previous DA in that county immediately bought his house that all those children were killed that. Why would he do that? Why would you want that house? Probably on sale. It's probably a good deal. And he would not let the jurors go inside only look at the outside. Why? I can't...

You don't think that's weird? I'm not gonna... No, not really. Oh my God. I think it's weird. So you don't have any like critical thinking skills? No, I see you're trying to shame me. You're trying to... No, I'm asking. That's your basically trying to say I can't think because I don't agree with you. No critical think. Right. I know. You're saying... Which isn't in which yet. Logically, you should... I never thought that. It's gonna be impassive aggressive. You can't be impassive because I don't agree with you. No, because every single fact I bring in that should have looked at... If you looked into you, you say so. She admitted it. Because I don't think it's a very good argument. And I... What would be a good argument to you? I think all signs point to... For some reason there's contradictory thing it's saying that someone unidentified woman bought it. So that just popped up here. Look it up. It's the previous DA. It's a previous DA that immediately bought it. Wouldn't let the jurors go inside only look at the outside. Okay. I think you guys have made your point. You want to make your closing statements? You already know what I'm gonna say. So and she admitted it.

All these facts? So what? None of them were very good. I believe she did it because she admitted it. Right. Okay. So it just clarified. You were right about the house being bought by the DA, not an unidentified woman that just corrected that. Thank you. My closing statement is that I want to make it very clear. I'm not saying she did it. I'm not saying he did it. I'm saying that there's not... I don't think there was a thorough investigation done. I'm saying I want whoever did do it to be held accountable. I want... I think there should have been a thorough investigation done. I think there's too many holes in the story. And so and she admitted it doesn't do it for me, honestly. I like to look into facts. I like to look into the evidence. I like to look in the holes that I noticed in the story. And I think that if people have different opinions, whatever, it's the people that think that she did it. And are okay with that. That's one thing. I'm not on that side at all.

I'm on the side of I want whoever murdered the three precious children to be held accountable. So we agree, Lindsey Clancy should be in jail. No, no, oh my god. Alright. There we go. Thank you so much. Who's next? These debates only get bigger when you support the channel and we've got some of the wildest matchups coming next. Subscribe now, tell us in the comments who you want to see debate next. Okay, so I totally agree that Lindsey Clancy absolutely did it. My entire argument is the burden is on the commonwealth, the proof beyond a reasonable doubt that her mental disease or defect did not impact her ability at all to see right from wrong and impact her ability to conform her conduct or the law. And considering the burdens on the prosecution, it's up to them to prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. And I don't think she did. And I think 11 jurors agreed with me that she didn't. Well, if we want to argue that a woman didn't do a very good job,

you're not going to have any disarmament with me there. The woman prosecutors didn't do a good job. They didn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. The woman's fucking up an easy case. That doesn't surprise me. Well, I will say a better prosecutor could have had better arguments there. So I mean, I've heard all sorts of arguments why she shouldn't. And the guy did a good job, I'm guessing, according to you, right? So we agree. That's great. No, but she should not be convicted though. You think she should be convicted. It's according to me. Yeah, but I'm not in the... I have no... I can't do anything about it, but yeah. But I mean, so... But ultimately then, we do agree. I don't think mental disease and is an excuse. The law might say that it is, but I would personally say now. So your problem ultimately is, you don't believe there should be any not guilty by reason of insanity. In any state, I think when you murder three children, you should be put to death no matter the reason you did it. So you don't believe in post-partum psychosis?

It may be real, but I don't care. I think that dogs that bite too much need to be put down. When you kill three kids for whatever reason, you should go be put to death. So, yeah. So I just want to ask, I mean, so you think she did it, but for reason of insanity, you think she was not guilty because of insanity. Specifically, that the Commonwealth did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that her mental disease or defect did not impact her ability to see right from wrong and to conduct her conduct, the requirements of the law. So by that standard, and that's why the juror notes for saying there's one juror who's refusing to, like, abide by the reasonable doubt standard. So clearly that meant the other 11 jurors, they're seeing this as, okay, there's too much reasonable doubt to convert. The one juror did not. Well, for me, you don't think because she sent him to get food. That doesn't prove anything. No. Why not? Because I think in psychosis, you can do things that appear like planning.

Your base state can still be psychotic, but, like, you can be acting from a psychotic idea, but your actions can appear normal to the outside. There's many different versions of psychosis. Sounds like an interesting workaround. So you can't- Both the true workaround. I'm sure there's illegalese that you can make it. So you can do things that appear like planning and not be responsible for them. So you can essentially plan it and then just say you didn't. And here's the thing. That's crazy. There's a man by the name. That's different, by the way. Sick psychosis can involve behaviors that look like planned or normal to other people. Wow. But then they just bring in some expert to say whatever they want. Well, here's one that I don't know what you'll say to this, but there's a case in Iowa, Matthew Schlier. He planned to kill his five-year-old son. And he did it. He planned it for a week. He was originally going to use knives, changes mind, strangled him, and he got not guilty about reason to insanity as a man. Oh, that's terrible.

I disagree with that. So the entire thing here is though, you don't even think there should ever be any post-partum psychosis or not guilty about reason to have been sandwiched. I look at- When you kill a child- I think there's nothing more evil than killing the innocent for whatever reason. When you kill a kid, no, put to death. That's it. I mean, I don't- No, if fans are butts, that's a child, that's somebody that's innocent. Especially when you talk to kids like, they're so trusting and the fact that a parent, the person they trust more than anyone in the world, took away that innocent spirit. That's terrible. So I think I- I fear that I live in a society that they're going to give reasons that's okay, even if it's insanity. I think that's scary. So I do agree. It's an awful, awful thing that happens. And I do agree, not guilty of my reason to have been sanity, should be a rare play. It shouldn't be a rare often. But in rare cases, and I think this is a rare case. What would be the case? This one?

Yeah, that your mental disease or defect impaired your ability to conform your conduct to the requirements of the law. But a quarter of women are an SSRI. So by that precedent, then a quarter of women could say they had a mental defect. See, they would have to prove that would cause some form of psychosis. And I agree. That's because you're on SSRI's, does not equal you're going to be psychotic. I mean, it seems like that would be pretty easy if you could plan it and then just say you didn't. And then then blame it on your mental disease. I agree. That can be a tricky thing. But more than one thing can be true at the same time. So one can be not guilty of my reason to have been sanity. And at the same time, other people may try to use that and like use it as an excuse. But it doesn't mean the time it's true is no longer true. It just means those other people are trying to twist and just store and manipulate to avoid accountability. I mean, I can even, you know, say and maybe agree that there are cases where people do crazy things because they are insane. However, they still need to be put down now. But I don't give a shit about the reason you kill a kid.

You should be put to death publicly executed. I mean, I think accountability for her should be the mental institution. And I don't agree that she should be out anytime soon. She should be there for years, just like Andrea Yates. Of course, you think that because you're not the one in the mental institution with her. So by enabling these behaviors, people that are the ones that are going to suffer are the people that go to the mental institution really wanting to get better. And now they have to deal with a child murder. Like it's always, these kind of arguments are always great when you don't have to deal with it. So the people that are going to have to deal with it are the people in the mental institution that have good intentions. The thing is, I don't necessarily think she's a danger now. But that should be a version of her accountability is being in that mental institution. She should not be out. I think that's not fair. I've heard to be out. She should be there. I mean, Andrea Yates every year, she refuses her equivalent of parole from the mental hospital. And I think that's the right thing to do. She drowned five river kids in the bathtub. And so she's in the mental institution. She's been there for years. And she refuses to leave. And I think that's correct. Because she did take the life of five of her kids.

And yeah, she got not guilty of our reason of insanity. But she's where she belongs. And I think that's Rolenty Clancy belongs too. I would say that they belong in the electrical care. I think you don't agree in not guilty by reason of insanity. I don't agree with it now. So once you kill, once you don't agree with the law. I don't agree with the law. I don't agree that she's not guilty. I think she did it. I also don't think she's insane. I think she planned it. But I think people can make up terms and whatever to manipulate it some way. So people can try to manipulate anything. But like Brian was saying earlier, there were so many points of failure in this case. Like in the beginning, she tried to go for a generalized anxiety. She had worry about going back to work. And then as she got help, she got worse and worse and worse and all these professionals were trying to help her. But they weren't doing it successfully. Well, what would have been a successful way? Well, in this case, there was so two huge points of failure. Women and she was lying to doctors.

She withheld information that she had thought to follow the kids. Why don't we call that lying? Because, I mean, when we say we're acting from the first of the last year, we always use these words to soften stuff. I just don't understand it. She went to the doctor. People are mentally ill, though. You can't, you can't, you can't, you can't expect doctors to know if you're lying to them. But what I do expect doctors to do is to ask better questions to get better answers. I do expect doctors to be able to do that because when you're dealing with anyone who's mentally ill, they're not at 100%. You just ask better questions, full information out of liars. No, out of people that are suffering. Out of people that are struggling. You should, you should, she got worse after she got started getting health. Like what happened there? How come she goes? Well, she wasn't all these meds and they didn't diagnose her as postpartum depression and postpartum or postpartum. But how do you know she wasn't lying? Well, here's the thing. Some people are saying, well, that's proof that she didn't have it. And I would say it's just as likely that they all missed it, considering she kept on getting worse and worse. So, but how do you know they missed it and she wasn't lying?

Because if you look at the actual actions that she did, she was on these SSRIs. You're not supposed to give SSRIs to people that are bipolar without a mood stabilizer or anti-psychotic. But it's very easy with people that are in a state to get. It's not the point, whether they're easy to get or not. Yeah. They were just giving her things that were not good for her. So, over time, she gets worse. But she's lying to them so they don't involve the information. With holding, I wouldn't say they called on out right lie. There's one thing she withheld, with that the thoughts of harm and the kids. I withheld that I cheated. Did I not lie? I mean, come on. You can't get her a lie over that. But with mental health, yeah, it's a lie. Do you not think that mental health could make people not a 100% version of themselves? I'm not convinced that she had mental health issues. At all. No. So, all of her suicidal ideation, that's nothing. I'm not convinced. So, she's making it up. I'm not sure, but I'm not convinced. I think she's anxiety, smoothness. I think she very well could have made it up. So, the whole thing is fake that you think. She just thinks that entire thing is fake. I don't diary entries where she's talking about her suffering.

Don't make anything. I don't know or not know, but I know that women can be very manipulative and I think it's possible she could have planned it, but I can't say for certain. However, I can say for certain that she did admit killing her kids, so she should receive the treatment. I agree with that. I do agree she did it. She received the electrical chair. I don't agree with that. I don't think it's helpful to women when we commit a crime to use kid gloves. And I would really encourage men to stop doing that because it allows us to, it enables the behavior. So, I think it's harmful to women to give us all of these, you know, you didn't really do it. It's the mental health, it's whatever. I think 2 plus 2 equals 4. You killed your kids, you go to life in prison. Or I would say electrical chair, but I'll even compromise and say life in prison. So, what you are considering kid gloves, though, is really just your problem with Massachusetts law. Like, if you have a problem with Massachusetts law, that's a different story. But that's true. There a wall is, you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she was absolutely sane at the time of the killing. There's a matter where mental state is now. Only at the time of the killing.

Well, and it's kind of society in general because it's not just Massachusetts law, like women receive less sentencing time for the same crime as Matt. No, I agree with that. And then, I've done studies, I think I have four or five different studies of men and women, the sentencing time, for men versus women charged with a similar crime like this one. And women are far more likely to get off than men are. I agree with that. So, I'm for an order, though, too. And law and order in this case is following Massachusetts law. Massachusetts law says unless they've proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt and bucking him and spray the prosecutors for the Commonwealth. She probably didn't do it. Yeah, she probably did a bad job. We're not going to disagree there. So, they did a bad job. And I think she should get not guilty about reason of insanity. And now that's not an excuse for other women to go out and kill the kids. I saw there was already probably a copycat murder in Illinois. This woman said that she hung her toddler son and called him the devil or the anti-Christ. I mean, that's not right.

Look, that person should probably be guilty. With women, if you give an inch, they take a mile. And so, if there's no enforcement, it's the same reason we had to kick out that girl earlier. Because, because literally, if we don't do that, then they're just going to keep doing it. And I would say that's true. And I would say for this case, if you give an inch and you say it's reason of insanity, the medical system failed or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, it's just going to get worse. So, I really hope that doesn't happen. No, I think more than one thing can be true at the same time. I think, yes, people will try to twist and just store it. So, you think only one thing is true about it. Yeah, I think the truth is simple. I think the truth is simple. And people that say, the truth is the truth. And I think people that say things the way I say, I think you're where you're going. They're just trying to confuse you. All right, you guys have made your point. So, if we could get into closing statements now, unless you have someone to introduce. No, I mean, I agree that she did it. And I agree, Patrick Clancy did not do. I actually defend Patrick. I think, I'm pretty nuanced in this and the fact, because more than one thing can be true at the same time,

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You're a lifelong learner who's come this far. Now we are here to help you keep going further. Capella University, what can't you do? Visit capella.edu to learn more. Massachusetts law, I don't think they approved it beyond a reasonable doubt, and she should have gotten not guilty by reason of insanity, and she should have gone to the mental hospital. I would like to encourage the men out there to be less nuanced, and I would like to encourage the men out there to understand that these women know what they're doing and stop giving excuses, because these women are going out and torturing us in society. I beg you guys. You guys are going to be bothered. This is too simplistic. I think there can be bad men and there can be bad women, and I don't think that applying the law in this case is going to make it a free-for-all that all of a sudden... That's just men that are weak to women and believe women and when they don't. Each case needs to be taken into this really. Sometimes women lie. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes men lie. Sometimes men don't. They've lied pretty much all the time. But you can say this anything without men.

I can't. No. Because men are in trouble. Men tend to be honest. Yeah. That's just a massive generalization though. They're going to be narcissistic people. Men and women both, right? Then why don't men have the same narcissistic social media habit that women do when most women have that? Don't they all know? What's your argument that they don't? Women are the ones that create content. Men don't create content? We can talk about it. I mean, it's kind of disingenuous to say like it's the same when we know it's not. Obviously, if we're going to do this whole day, just say there's an exception. There's an exception. Sure, there's exceptions. But in general, women are the ones that dominate social media, especially Instagram and TikTok, which are highly based on beauty. And it's very women are the ones that wear a pound of makeup. We get plastic surgery. We do very narcissistic things. Men's actions are not the same. What's the fact check on how many men are social media creators? They had a lot more to create more social media content is too brought to verify.

Look, I'm in the social media. There's a lot of female domination. So I'm the fact check here, but it is there is. And I don't know what the percentage is. What percent of what percent of Gen Z women are on tip? What percent of Gen Z women create content on TikTok? It'll pop up. I think there's a fair amount of men creating content too. Women dominate social media. There you go. 64 to 70%. I knew it's not the class. All right. So thank you so much, guys. That was a great debate. Thank you, bro. Yeah. All right. We're here with 10 versus one with Pearl Davis. And we are on the first prompt. Lindsey Clancy should be should should be convicted of murder. Go for it. So I say she is not guilty. And I really tried to look at this case through the eyes of a member of the jury. Because that could be one of my civic duties one day. Okay. And so based on the laws and all of the evidence presented in court.

Okay, which are so what convinced you going to go through? There's no evidence that proves she did it. She admitted it. Yeah, but if that was legally upheld, then she wouldn't even be on trial. Okay. But what's the evidence she like what evidence do you have? That she did it? None. I don't think she did it. Okay. What? You got to give me something. Well, why do you think she did it? Because she admitted it. Well, that can't be legally upheld. Otherwise, she wouldn't have been on trial. That's not true. It is. That's not true. Yes, it is. They referenced the she admitted it. Yeah, because of the attorney's angle, the argument that he chose to use to defend her. But it doesn't mean that she did it. So there was a fact that popped up here. The statement that she, which one, sorry, once said, defend. And I think it was down here. I apologize. This thing's moving. So there's no evidence that Clancy did it. So this is contradicted by multiple reports that prosecutors presented extensive evidence.

Including phone data, searches witness testimony 911 call. That's as Clancy admitted to killing her children. The evidence that they present in court does not corroborate anything pointing to her beyond a reasonable doubt. Okay. Which is. The evidence that's found on the murder weapons is the only sample out of like nine to 12 samples that they took. Of the murder weapons. Curses only found in a very, very small amount with included with somebody else that's not in the family. So if you're going to consider that as evidence, then you have to also consider somebody else that had been involved in the murder weapon. So you're saying the murder weapon didn't have. Can you say that in a different way? The murder weapon did had such a small amount of her DNA. Okay. It had a small amount of her DNA on it. But there's a fact that you're up here for that murder weapon was only sample out of about nine to 12 samples.

Testes inaccurate or at least supported by the side coverage available reporting on the Lindsey Clancy case describes multiple items and samples tested. Including exercise bands blood urine swabs fingerprints and toxicology specimens. Unsealed records also mentioned 11 search warrants and numerous evidence items, which does not fit the idea that only one sample was taken or tested. I watched the testimony. She's the woman, the forensic analyst that said, yes, her DNA was found on one of the bands. She tested the bands in three different spots and middle other end in multiple spots. Okay. Patrick's was found on each of those spots. They tested her DNA tested positive on every spot tested. Her's was only found on one out of all of the tests. And in that same pool with somebody else's DNA that was not a part of the family. But it's saying that's not true.

But it is. Okay. Well, you can say it wasn't true. It said it was not clear. But her DNA was still found on there. Right? In one sample. Yeah. And if you're going to count that as evidence, then what about the DNA that the person that does not have a family? It wouldn't be enough without the confession. If the confession mattered, she wouldn't be on trial. It's not true. It is true. They're pleading insanity. Yeah. Yeah. And if it was legally upheld, then she'd be at a conviction hearing. And we would have been watching that, but not a trial. Well, we live in a fallen world. Exactly. That's why I think this case is so such a travesty. A travesty. Yes. For the kids. Absolutely for the kids. Yeah. Because she admitted it. Pearl, what else do you have other than she admitted it? What else do you, you're coming here to make the argument. I think she did it because she admitted it. I need something. Okay. Her DNA wasn't enough on the, but it was still on there.

So. Yeah. And their star witness is, it's, the case is practically circumstantial based upon one person's recollection of events. And what was reported is different from what that star witness testified to. So I have to then question the veracity of that witness's statement. I mean, if it's incongruent with what he reported to the police at first, then how am I to trust anything that he's saying? That's reasonable doubt. Who is. Who. What's incongruent? I don't know what you're saying. What Patrick reported to the police is incongruent with what he testified to in big ways. Not in just little nitpicky ways. And consistent. You mean like what he said first and then what he said a trial. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Are you going to go tell me the order in which he found the children? Order in which. And she goes through these just make sure they're correct. But although we did a fact check recently, like on the last one, I think we're the one before where it said that in that kind of a moment of trauma, people don't necessarily recollect everything.

They're their memory could be incorrect because of the traumatic impact. That's what the fact trick was saying. Oh, yeah, it could. Yeah. Okay. So the order. Yeah. So the order in which she finds the kids keep going. All right. The. The fact that he said he called Lindsey or yeah, he called Lindsey while he was at CVS. We then later see that to to to verify that the off brand of PDL acts would be okay for him to purchase because it was during COVID in 2023. And the shelves were bare. Well, later on we get a prosecution Commonwealth calls the CVS manager to testify and the CVS manager explains that Lindsey or we're going to assume it's Lindsey, but she spoke with a woman who called and asked if she carried children's PDL. She said, yes, we only carry the name brand. It's an aisle 13 and 20.

And so you're saying because Patrick city called Lindsey at CVS did the phone records match that are you saying it did? Yeah, it did. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So that's correct. Lindsey calls. And then Lindsey called CVS. Patrick called Lindsey while he was at CVS to see if he could get the if the generic of PDL acts was okay for him to purchase because the name brand was not on the shelves. It's like a stool softener. Okay. Okay. For children. So then he calls Lindsey verifying if that's all right. Or that's what he says. And then we later get to hear this CVS manager testify that they don't carry the off brand. They carry the name brand only in two places in the store and she told Lindsey or who we're assuming is Lindsey. She spoke with a woman. There's no way for us to verify that. Yeah. And then his receipt show that he. So one of the things that is one of the things that is supposed to disprove the case is arguing about if it was a name brand or.

Yeah, because he lied. They don't carry the off brand. You understand? I'm stupid. That's not to that. Do you understand how stupid that sounds? He's giving you. Do you I just want. No, it does not sound stupid in a triple homicide. You have to consider the veracity of every person's testimony. I don't think I don't think I don't think I don't think I'm when did this plexed thing happen? Is that the day the children are murdered? Yes. Okay. All right. Well, okay. That's part of the reason that. Just keep going. That's part of the reason he was sent out of the house. It's the it's part of the story. How is that stupid? If it's the name brand or the off brand. Yeah. Well, I will remember. I mean, that's really weird. And a lot of the times. Rejections if there is no behind it, it's millionaire's also a Their commission. 賭男, I agree. It's negotiation and I try it. But we're not, what can I say? Because it's a promise on my share. novamente of blind. I mean, sometimes or sometimes.

Some of the divisions of Management carry in my work. I'd be sad. I'd be sad. I'd be sad. I'd be sad. It's sad. I probably already posted this to my partner, to be wrongfully. I'll just let the audience hear that. Then why did 11 jurors want her to be acquitted? Because there's too many women on the jury and they fall for anything. Okay, well, that rhetoric is and simply false and it's harmful. And then what happens is what happens is see it's kind of like this. It's like they bring up nothing and then they just nag everybody else into their opinion and then you shaming, gilting, insulting, they'll personally attack you if you don't agree. And then usually the men give in, even not because they really think that they're right. It's just because it's so tiring to talk to women. And then they give in. And then there's usually one person. It's usually me. It's the last person standing, saying no. Or this juror, but I would have been a great 12th juror. What else you got? So the order in which the kids, peteolite or brand name he lied about if it was brand name or peteolite or some discrepancy there matter

then why did the Commonwealth call the CVS manager to testify about that information? If it's so stupid, because they knew it would matter to women, because women make up something out of nothing. Because it would matter to women. So you're you're saying that the Commonwealth of Massachusetts does not have a vested interest in speaking up for justice. Even if it means not getting it's political and prosecutors run for right. So don't you think that they'd want to get elected? Yeah, you think so. They're going to fight for justice. Even if that means not getting a conviction. Because women don't care about women are the main voters. Women are the main voters. Okay, I'm going to make it about gender and women don't care about just this case. Your own case is very much showing how it's a belief into it. Think logically about why the CVS manager would have been called. What do you want me to bring? You don't want me to bring my personal beliefs into it. Just look at the facts objective. I'm interpreting the facts that you're giving and they're just not very good. Okay, but you keep going. I'm hoping you mean all you have for me is

that she admitted it. Well, if that mattered, then she wouldn't be on trial. And 11 jurors wouldn't have wanted her to be a quick. Well, there's women on the jury. So that doesn't matter. Well, I mean we can see today that it does. So but if you have anything else. So okay, calling the CVS, the order in which the kids were found. Where are the major discrepancies in the story? What else? I mean, there's a lot of things. Okay. I got time. Go ahead. So what do you know about the case? I know what you're going to tell me. Let's go. What happened when? Are you out of? Are you out of? Are you out of? I think you're out of discrepancies. So now you want me to do your job for you. I'm asking you so that I know where I need to go. No, I'm asking you. I'm asking you what are the discrepancies of the case? You know about the case. Oh my god, women always want you to do their job for them. Go ahead. I've been arguing all day, ma'am. You've heard my beliefs. Go ahead. It's your turn. So what do you know about it's your turn to make the argument? What happened when Patrick got home? Go ahead.

Okay, so I'm going to assume you don't know what he's testified to. And he claims that he was able to walk inside and not see Lindsay's car even though he parked right next to her. So he didn't know if she was home, even though he parked right next to her. And it's it's standalone. Let me make this clear. Let me make this clear before you try to come at me. I'm going to give you two minutes. If you could put your kind of closing final statements and now I'm going to have a retort, I'll give you some time after she retorts to. Standing alone, looking at one thing, you could say one of these things isn't it, Picki? But when you look at it all just starts to pile up. When you have 40 different things that are inconsistent with the facts, the objective evidence that we have of the case, then it leads me to no longer believe the veracity of a star witness's testimony. That's reasonable doubt. The Commonwealth did not prove every element of the act of the murders themselves

beyond a reasonable doubt or even at all. And there was not a thorough police investigation completed, reasonable doubt. So not guilty. Lindsay Clancy should. I think that women have such big egos nowadays that they think they know more than the FBI and the police. I think it's actually I you got to let you go. You got to let me go. So I think most of this can be attributed to women's ability to find something out of nothing and nitpicking little details that don't really matter. Okay, as a jury member. I'll give you 30 seconds to retort. Okay, I'm not claiming to know everything. I told you at the beginning I looked at this case through the eyes of somebody who could potentially be a jury member because that's our civic duty. Any one of us could be called to do that. So I looked at it through the lens of a jury member and considering the law and according to the law and that mentality she just is not guilty. Yeah, she admitted it, guys.

All right, do you have anything to say about that? Final words. All right. Thank you so much, guys. I appreciate this. All right. Thanks. Have a good one. Who's next? All right, guys. So we are here. We are here with the 10 versus one debate with Pearl Davis. Pearl, if you don't mind reading the fifth prompt of the camera. I believe that postpartum is post-nut clarity for women. I'm going to disagree with that. Post-nut clarity takes seconds or minutes. It's compared to an orgasm. And postpartum recovery takes months or years. So I don't think is any comparison in the two. Yeah, we can maybe nitpick a little bit about the length of time. But I would still say women's behavior after they have kids is similar to men's behavior when they sleep with a woman because here's what happens. Men will think they're into you, right? And they'll even convince themselves they really like you. And then you know, guys talk about this all the time. They hook up with you and they're like, Oh, shit, what did I do? And I think women are very similar to that when they have kids. Women think that they love they might, you know, I don't think women are these

evil creatures all the time that they go into marriage just wanting to get divorced. But what happens is women really want to get married and they want children. And so a lot of times they want that so bad they don't realize they don't like the guy. They want the kids and they want the kids. Or they want the kids. They want the ring. They want the wedding. They want all that. Then they have the kids. And it's reported that a lot of women's behavior changes and women even openly admit that that their behavior changes after children. A lot of times they'll stop sleeping with their husband. They'll become a lot bitchier. And it's because they got what they wanted the same way that men when they have sex with you, they got what they want. And they might even convince themselves before they like you. They might even go into it with good intentions thinking I really like, you know, this girl's going to be my wife. And then they hit and they're like, oh shit. Now the post not thing by the way, it's like it's a slang. It's when guys have sex with you. And then they don't like you anymore because they got the sex and women get the kids and they

realize they don't like their husbands anymore. And their feelings change, their behaviors change. I can agree with that. I can I definitely agree with that. It's a longer process, unfortunately. Yeah, it's a sad part. But what I'm going to say here is postpartum is a real mental disorder. And sometimes women before they have children are already suffering some demonic force within them. That is creating these mental illness and this mental breakdown. So when they have children, it becomes heightened. And this is what we're dealing with right now with the Lindsey Clancy case. Postpartum depression is used for a mental as an escape goat as a as a ploy to say, hey, she's something's wrong with her. Why don't women have postpartum with billionaires and NBA players? They do. They do. It's a lot less it's a lot less common. Well,

because they have they it postpartum. It doesn't matter what income bracket you are. It is there. It is because they have nannies to pass their children off to they do not they have the support. So what do you mean nanny? They have nannies. Most people most people don't have nannies or you're talking about footballers and stuff. Yes. Yeah. So if a woman has postpartum depression, well, Lindsey Clancy had a nanny. Yes, she did. And she still did it. So it doesn't really doesn't seem to negate it at all. Well, that's because she wanted to and post and postpartum is not true postpartum. I also disagree where you said it's demonic forces. I think when whenever women do something wrong, we just always find it's not helpful to women to blame anything else. So it's not helpful to say it's the demons making you do it society making you do it. And if anything it allows bad actors to take advantage of that, you know, if you do a bad thing, you are bad, you are a bad person. You got to figure out how to redeem yourself yourself if you can.

Lindsey, I would say that's the electric fair. That's how you can redeem yourself. I wouldn't say the electric chair. I do believe that there are some things I coast is going on with Lindsey just as it is with LaTarsha Sanders who also killed her kids. She was a black woman, same judge, same town, same district attorney. Her mental health and her postpartum depression did not get taken into accountability. So now she's up for a new trial. Now what happened with the Lindsey Clancy case is going to determine how LaTarsha Sanders is now treated. Postpartum depression is real no matter what ethnicity you are. However, why women have a 29 percent, I'm sorry, 13.5 percent to 22 percent rate of postpartum and black women have an increased amount of 29 to 44 percent. Yeah, because white women are more spoiled. There's more excuses.

That's like yeah. Right. Yeah. So I mean, no argument there. Do you think, do you think black women agree? Because I think the Lindsey Clancy is mostly a white woman phenomenon, mostly white women arguing that it's okay. Do you think that the black community, when it comes to black women in particular, are they defending her or no? Would you say? They are understanding. Fuck. I just wonder, oh my god, I was trying to give you guys out. No, seriously. I don't, so all bitches are crazy. Well, I should question like, I mean, postpartum's obviously existed since the beginning of time. Why do you guys think it's like now that like women are starting to kill their children more? Like, it's happening. I don't, I think they've always done it because I think if you look at the infant mortality rate, it's very similar. I can't prove this, but it's very similar to the abortion rate today. So a third of kids used to die before they were like three to five or something like that. And that's the same rate women are getting abortions. It's close at least. I think women have

always done it. They just got away with it. Yes. Now I do agree with that. But I'm going to say this, if you don't want children, don't have them. I agree. And if you have children and realize you do not want them and cannot care for them, there are places you can leave them like the fire station adoption, the hospital. Leave a note. I love you, but I can't do this. Do not kill your kids. Yeah. And if you are trying to use postpartum as an outlet to make it appear that, hey, I just want to go to the mental hospital just like right now with Lindsey. Even though she there's a hung jury, she's sitting in a mental institution, clicking the remote, playing ping pong, and I can almost bet this is just my opinion. She's not even paralyzed. All of that is just an Oscar. She gets an Oscar. You think she's not paralyzed? I don't. I do. He doesn't think so. You don't think she is either? No. I know you're not supposed to do it, but I'm just intelligent man. I believe she's faking it. What? Yes. That would be wild. Yes. Yes. I agree. She is.

They couldn't tell the medical people? No. There's no way to tell. It's no way to tell. I'm fixing to share something with you. Okay. That is going to blow your mind. All right. When I was about 13, 14 years old. So when I say about mental illness, because I have had and suffered from mental illness, I have had postpartum depression. And I was in a car accident. And I told the doctor that I couldn't feel my legs. They believed you? They believed me. And so you lied about it. I did. Wow. So I do really interesting. So I don't believe she's like pick her up and say, walk. I got to bring this up last night. I just happened to be watching a film called like an old film called Dirty Routon Scoundrels where the guy is pretending to be paralyzed. And the doctor knows he's pretending. So he starts whipping him on his feet until like

any starts crying, but he's still supposed to be paralyzed. But it's interesting that it's like that's something that you can't actually diagnose. Like if somebody says, hey, I'm paralyzed, you got to kind of go with it. Basically, interesting. Wow. So there are reflexes. But if you are mentally, if you have a certain mental about yourself, you're able to not move. You're able to just lay there. I was 15 and I did it. She's way older than I was at that age when I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder at that time. Then I got pregnant at an early age. And I was diagnosed with postpartum depression. So I understand where she, where Lindsey is, but then again, I don't because when I had my daughter at 18, I told my mother, get this baby because I want to throw her out the window. I gave my daughter to my mother until I got help. So what she did was no excuse. If you know that you're a little luloo,

give your baby to someone and walk away. So I have no empathy for the wheelchair. I have no empathy for the insanity plea because you're not that crazy. Yeah. I agree. Because after you choke the first child, something should have come in your brain is that, oh my god, I've hurt my child. Come and get the other two. You don't sit there and keep killing the other two. So it's premeditated and you're not that crazy. Yeah. Where do we disagree? I was like, I was agreeing. Right. But I was just what I guess what I was saying too is about mothers. And it doesn't matter who you are or postpartum is real. It's not something that can be taken lightly. I do believe she has mental illness. I do believe there's something wrong with her. Now I'm still mad about the case in Orlando with a case Anthony. And now here we are again.

Yeah, she's going to keep happening. Right. Right. So I've never gotten over that. Yeah. And then here we are with Lindsey Clancy, with there being a the jury being debt lock. But then I'm also upset about Natasha Sanders, who is an African-American woman who suffer from the same illness. But no one saw her illness and she's in a prison versus a mental hospital. Well, I would agree with that. She should be in a prison. She killed her kid. I just I would put it for both of them. So you're saying that the Clancy's getting special treatment because she's white. I do. I agree with that actually. So what do you think the awkward should be with Lindsey? I feel like she should go to prison. Yeah. There. So it seems like you guys agree. Yeah, I think you're agree. That's actually really good. Thank you. I love your personal insight. That's really interesting. Yes. We appreciate that. I never thought about that she could be faking that. Oh, yes. She definitely is. And it's going to come out. All right, guys. So we are back with the debate here.

10 versus 1 with Pearl Davis. All right. What you what you got for me. I'm the Derek Fomeran. What I got for you is just make sure the microphone first off. I'm going to say that I agree with you on almost everything. But I'm going to argue this from the standpoint that I could not convict her of murder one as a juror. And I'm going to present a case for you guys to why why and do that. Okay. Okay. So in previous debates, you stated that people could find ways to cover up for their crimes. IE wipe in a weapon, right? A knife to get rid of fingerprints. So in that same regard, if somebody is a murderer, would you agree that they're crazy or insane or something like that? Right? They're obviously. No, some people murder for reasons that make perfect sense. Okay. Patrick came home and murdered his wife. That would make perfect. I agree with you. That would make perfect sense. Okay. But if somebody is, if somebody is, if somebody is crazy, they're going to find a way to cover their tracks. Right? And as an intent, you would agree that men

are intelligent, highly intelligent, right? Yeah. Acculated they plot. They plot things typically from the end of a project back to the beginning of a contractor. So so if I was going to frame my wife for murder, what I would do is look at her symptoms or condition in life. And I would create a scenario that made it look as though she committed those crimes to cover my own tracks. Okay. So I would make it look like a postpartum woman had committed the crime and then I would be there going what in the world happened standing right there with law enforcement acting confused. I mean, you would, but that doesn't mean he did. That is true. Yeah. Again, we're arguing that there is that he may have potentially done it to create plausible deniability for her admission of guilt, which scares me. Yeah. Yeah. This is still. If I was a lawyer, this is still. She said, she did it, man. She said she did it. Okay. So so so you've also stated that you're going to go with the experts opinion on it, right? Beyond her admission of guilt that you trust the authorities.

There's going to always be exceptions to every rule, but in general, I when I have the choice between believing women on TikTok, if they think that the investigation wasn't good, or police officers and, you know, people that work in law enforcement, I just would be a little bit more likely to lean towards law enforcement. Okay. Well, that last time I'm not saying it's not ever flawed. Anyone seen the Lego files? Yeah. I have. I have last time I checked. No, you know, you either, I'm not, you know, you know, you know, yeah. Last time I checked, I'm biologically emailing, I identify as a male. And I happen to have friends that are active in law enforcement and retired law enforcement. Right. And I know for sure that they are not at least thorough if they take the path of police resistance. Yeah. Okay. A term that that sums that up a legal term that I heard yesterday, which is Alcombs razor. So you walk onto a crime scene and you see three dead children and a woman that's severely injured. Right. The path of police resistance. This is

prior to her admission of guilt is to assume that she did it and was somewhat remorseful. At a moment of clarity and decided to harm herself. Yeah. Right. But the path of the most resistance is to go, this man did this and she's incapable of effectively communicating with us. And now let's investigate him. That is where I feel it. There's there's a little bit. However, it's also true that the most obvious answer is usually the answer. Most of the time I would I would I would listen to a lot of true crime stuff. And it's usually the person who had the most incentive to do it. I agree. And it's the most. So there's exceptions, right. But for me, it's just not enough evidence to override the fact. Okay. She admitted it. Can you repeat your previous statement before you said she did it? That's obvious answer is usually the answer. That is. You know, you want to lose weight? Eat less. Yeah. Carnivore began to do that. It's eat less. It was after that. I don't remember. Either way,

we could move on. So I want to say as a man, I suffer from postpartum psychosis fatigue. Okay. So Patrick Clancy had some discrepancies in recounting little details. Maneucia in the whole case, right? Now would you not agree that when somebody is lying, they would tend to recount the story inaccurately and have also discrepancies. Yeah. But the discrepancies have heard so far. Just were not big enough that it would convince me. Yeah. But the PDLI bottle. I'm not concerned with the PDLI at all. If you were sitting on a jury today and somebody presented an alternative to her doing it regardless of admission, would you be able to convict her beyond a reasonable doubt? Would I? Yes. Yes. Okay. I myself couldn't do it because I can see an alternative situation. Well, for me, it would be. They are. But she admitted it. I've got to

concede that I cannot. I cannot argue against you on that point. I know. She made it really hard for her attorney. I'm doing it by best represented in health training. You've made the best argument so far. Well, thank you for that. It's because of the help of all the ladies that support me. Okay. I want to have a face to sleep. Guys are so nice. They just love giving credit. I really think how she not admitted I could have framed him as the potential murderer. But that's that's she admitted it. Unfortunately, yes. So I lost. I'm not sure it's something else. I waited as good as I can with those in the point I could grab it. It wasn't bad. It wasn't bad. I don't want to cup it here and talk out the side of my neck. Yes. Oh, good job. All right. Thank you. All right. We are here with the 10 versus one debates with Pearl Davis. Pearl, if you don't mind reading that prompt to the camera.

If Lindsey Clancy were a man, nobody would be defending her. And I think that because there were cases where this happened and it was a man and nobody did defend Chad Dorman, Chris Watts, John List, Simpson Nelson. These are all examples of men that killed their kids. They ended up being convicted and serving time. And there was not a public outcry trying to defend them. Women will still try to bang them. So if anything, women are kind of the problem in this because women will still try to hook up with these guys. However, yeah, I mean, Chris Watts got remarried. Yeah. I agree with that part. And Ted Bundy too, also. That's a weird obsession. I've seen that. Yeah. So I think that if she were a man, nobody would defend her. And she would be in jail right now. Well, the other cases you mentioned, I from what I know, every bold journey starts with a decision to go. And if you're ready, the defender is to this is a vehicle built for more, whether you're heading off the grid or just

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Yes, but it's only because the way they act. When women act, well, I like them. It's just in this society, women just keep being bitches. Well, you see there's a lot of bitches that I have more men. I will say I have more male friends. I have more male friends. I have women don't do that. I'm an equal opportunity. I don't like the scandalist. I have more male friends. I will admit women are caddy and scandalous. I like that. I can't pick complain. Yes, it's a woman. My daughter is six and she's sassy as fec. We're born with it. We're born with it. It's sassy, though. That's how women, you guys rebrand things that are insufferable and try to make them sufferable. We're going to ask you this. Sassy is insufferable. That's insufferable. It is what it is. Nobody likes sassy women. Who it is when it is? It is what it is. You're pretty sassy, too. I know. I'm an insufferable and a lot of women. It's clear that you like women. You're a woman that hates women. Let's make that clear. I hate women because of the way they act.

Regardless of why I hate women. I occasionally barely ever, but every now and then. There's a woman that's pretty okay. You hate me? Sometimes. I hate you sometimes. That's equal. You hate women. So say the situation were flipped. Say Patrick admitted it. He had all those psychotic issues. The entire situation was flipped. Since it would be a female who was innocent and told what was done, all that stuff. And you saw holes in the story. Would you think it was the woman? Would you want more? Did you admit it? Yes, the exact same situation. But I would think he did it. When he woke up in the hospital, he didn't remember anything. He was told what we did. I would say under a lot of drugs. This is exactly what I would say. I would say, do you know what he probably said?

You don't probably happen. His wife probably was taking him to the cleaners. This is usually when a guy commits suicide or does something like that. Usually the wife's going to file and ruin his life so they crash out. I would include that in the story. So you would want more investigation done on the women? No, no, I wouldn't give a motive there. I would still say that he should go to jail. Do you give a motive for her? Right, but I would still say that he admitted it so we did it. You wouldn't see that that might be inadmissible. There's no, um, there's no excuse for telling me to get it. You would think the woman did it, right? Not if the man admitted it. After he was told he did it and he didn't remember it. Yeah, I would think he did. And he was with like an abusive woman. Yeah, one, I don't think Patrick was abusive. Mentally, maybe. He was cheating on her. He was cheating on her. So what do you mean? She's going to stop acting like that's the worst thing that every bitch has been cheated on. And it's not the worst thing that's ever going to happen.

And a fact you're not even there when it happens. So you're saying it doesn't affect you. You're saying it. Oh my god. So you're saying you're not. You're saying it on. Yes, ever. Duh. So you understand how it feels or did you not even care about the dude? And it doesn't bother you at all. Do you have feelings? Yeah, but they're not an excuse to kill your fucking kids. It's saying that. I'm just saying it's like everything kind of like it. Okay, yeah, but women aren't getting cheated on. It's like war. It's like they literally talk about it. Like you went to war and like fought. It's like, no, he just fucked another bitch. She's got it. No, it's dramatic. Okay, yeah, you see that trauma that's that used to be reserve for soldiers. And women just had to women just had to. No. Yeah, like it's not. It's not. Why do you wait women so much? I think that it's because of the in sufferable behavior, like using the word trauma to talk about cheating and taking it from soldiers who had PTSD. Women just have to make it. Was it taking every negative feeling?

What's that term taken from? What we ask was the PTSD diagnosis taken from soldiers? No, was the word trauma. It used to be used from soldiers. Was trauma was the word trauma taken from soldiers? Okay, so term PTSD was formally recognized in 1980 in earlier wartime turns, like shell shock. By the way, a lot of veterans have talked with are really upset that they go and see people die. And that this is a real thing, that they're upset that that PTSD diagnosis is given to whatever lesser trauma the claim it is. I'll just go through this. It's a level thing. Things I just have PTSD. Things I just have PTSD. Things I just have PTSD. Yeah, things, things men go through, right? Potentially getting permanently injured, dying at work, dying in war. Getting into fights and possibly a lot of men have been in fights and some of them really risked their life, you know, far-fight gone wrong, whatever. So just the word trauma was to start to entrap you. This is not supported by results. I guess it wasn't taken from soldiers.

It was created in 80. My point is that word, you think it's supposed to be something serious. There's a level. You think it's supposed to be something serious. It is. And women are very dramatic. They can be us. And we have to make everything the worst thing ever. And I don't think it can happen. Well, we have feelings. We have feelings. Too many. A lot of feelings. That's the problem. We're women and that's just the way it is. Too many. That's the problem. But I think the men have feelings too, but they're taught to keep it in. Yeah, that's true. And you should keep in a lot of your feelings because otherwise, otherwise, you guys torture everybody with your feelings. And that's the problem. Is everyone's tortured because of women's feelings where, you know, maybe there's actually something good about keeping your problems to yourself. Not everybody has to hear about it. Women, that's like a basic being polite. I wouldn't say everybody has to hear about it, but the person who's involved, that they should hear about it. Okay, yeah, but then leave. Like, it's a dramatic, it's a human thing. It's not something that's not really women are so dramatic with it. It's like, look, look. It's like, either leave,

either if it's a problem, then leave. But don't torture everybody. Look, that's what I'm saying. Really? Say you're a stay-at-home wife. You're married. You're completely in love with your husband. You guys got kids. You take care of the house. You don't have an income. You reply, you really get a job, right? You really don't have that. But like, where are you going to go? Where are you going to go until you get a job? Now, actually, a few options. You can my sister works at a daycare. You can do that if you're a stay-at-home wife. You got to say so many. You also can work for, there's a lot of women that don't want to be mothers. So there's nanny positions. Like, stay-at-home, actually. You can actually make a decent amount of money. You look like, look. Say you have your entire life set up. Like I just said. See, boo, boo. And it suddenly ends. Oh, no. And everything in your life changes. And it's turned upside down. You don't think that's traumatic. So this is projection because this really doesn't happen much to women. It happens to men because men are providing for their family and they come home one day. A PPO order is filed. And they're kicked out of their house with no warning. Where women, if they do have the homemaker position,

they usually look for divorce lawyers for a few years ahead. And they have a lot more control in this situation. Like, I don't. I don't. I think I'm more feminist than the feminists. Yeah. Well, I think I'm a real feminist. I'm not on that one. Yeah, because you are an adult. You want to be equal. So be equal. Get a job. And I need you to stop interrupting me. Please. I don't want to be a baby. So yeah, I know you don't. Because you want your cake and eat it too. You got to stop talking, girl. This is what I mean, and suffer a bill like that. I want women to actually be equal. So, okay, if you're married and you decide to date an attractive guy, he might cheat. That's part of it. If you don't want that, then date an ugly guy. But women are like, I want my cake and I want to eat it too. And how could this happen? Okay, well, then date someone's shopped. All right, then second, second, second thing is, second thing is, with the job, women say, oh, I want to be a stay-at-home wife. I want to, and that's fine, go do it.

But that comes with a risk. And if that happens, maybe make a plan. You also, we're only having one to two kids. And you have a decade before you get married, usually, because the average age of first marriage is like 29 to 32. You have a decade to save. Women don't do that. We have so much choice. We still figure out a way to fuck it up, even with all the choice given. And then they come crying to me like, it's my fault. You don't think men do the same thing? No, I know they don't, because they don't have the same debt that women have. They don't have the same STDs women have. They don't have the same issues that women have. Women have more STDs. And women have more STDs women have more debt. No, women have more STDs women have more debt. Women have, women still find a way we get easy money given to us with these easy talking jobs. And we, you know what, girls, I know personally that we're on TikTok. We're making content together and they're sex workers now because they were so stupid with the money given to them. That does not happen to men. That's not all men. That's not all women.

Because men have to work hard for their money. They have to do manual... Most men at some point in their life have done manual labor. So they understand the value of money. Women say, I want the easy money and I want my guy to pay for me. It's like, pick one, bitch. One, but women, you guys just want to have your cake and eat it too. So, I mean, what do you mean? That's what you mean, because I think men and women have different jobs. I think we're born out of different jobs. I think men were built and born. Their anatomy is to work and... Of course. Because women are lazy and women would prefer men do the hard jobs. No, women are built. Women are living in our lean. Women are born weaker. Absolutely. We're making them make the half the children and take care of the house. Yeah. That's just my penny. Women are always whipped. But now that's not necessary. That's not necessary. We make it call the butter. We can, but I want to respond because that's how this works. So, women, being a stay-at-home mom isn't a full-time job anymore because women are having one to two kids they're in public school. So, after the age of five, they're gone all day. By the way, I have cooked for a family of four just to prove this

because of sick of women gas letting me about this. You can cook for a family of four and two to two and a half hours a day with the use of air friars and other modern technologies and appliances. Planing house too. Yeah, so it's not a full-time job anymore. Planing house too. Yes, it's not a full-time job. It's not a full-time job anymore. The problem is women. Women get women without her job because they can't have school. So, the issue is women do it in the most inefficient way possible. That's why when men, and I showed you the video in the beginning, when men are a stay-at-home dad, they say, oh, this is easy because women... My brothers are stay-at-home, but yeah, and they usually... It's not easy. Okay, okay. Can you stop interrupting me? It's the insufferability I'm talking about. You're right. That's not going to be easy. So, again, when men are stay-at-home fathers, they find it easy because men are much better with structure. They're better with routine, and they're better with problem-solving. Women aren't as good at that, and we're also lazier. So, what happens is women are trying to say that being stay-at-home moms is a stay-at-home job, and we're not homeschooling. We're not baking stuff from scratch anymore. And there's modern technologies that make it... That make it easy nowadays. So, what happens is, is women want to have their cake and eat it too.

They don't want to be traditional, but we also want a traditional outcome. It's like pick one. You want to homeschool the kids? No? Okay, well then go to work. Pick one. You're an adult. You make assumptions about... You generalize everything. You say women do this, and men do this, and this and that and this and that, but that's not a fact. Some women, yeah, maybe it's not every woman, it's not every man. And I want to get back to the STDs because, yeah, women do have more STDs because of their anatomy. They are more susceptible to get an STD because of their anatomy. Makes no difference. That's true. That's true. The generalization here of the roles of men and women and assumptions of what each person wants to do, what each person deals. It just changed the fact they have STDs. Well, I'm going against... I passed that. I just want to make that clear. But like you're assuming what... Every woman and every man's goal, mentality, thoughts are,

and that's how do you think that that's okay to do because you don't know. I want people to think for themselves. Yeah. And the problem is I go on these stupid... Not, not like this. I go on all these shows and all these commentators. They want to control you. They want to say, look at my study. Don't believe what you see with your eyes. And I say, if what I'm saying, ask yourself. Does it resonate in your life? And if you don't think it does, then don't believe me. Fine, but what you're going to find with the stuff I'm saying is it's more true than it's not. And actually, it's backed up by most of these fact checks. The stuff I'm saying is actually true. And on top of that, and most people, if they look in their personal life, there's a reason people are laughing in here. I'll be talking for two hours and people just burst out laughing because they relate. They know it's true. Yeah, there's something to say. A lot of the shit. Totally agree with it. It's total... And what happens is women don't like that because it gets rid of you guys's power. So if women have convinced men that being a stay-at-home mom is a full-time job and it's so hard, then now they have more power because they have to do less. I find that most of women, the reason they don't want me talking is because they want to excuse

to just be lazy and do less and men do more. And because if men start to figure this out, they might start making women do shit. And that's how making a woman do something that's hell on earth. There's a lot of men who are proud on themselves for being able to be the unit-taking care of the house, like paying for it and working and making sure that everybody says it. Yeah, and they're punished for it. They're punished for it. No, they're punished for it. They take pride in it. They're punished for it. So that's why they're going to do it less. They're punished in three ways. Number one by women because women reward players. They don't reward traditional men. So women will treat a player very well. A guy that cheats very well and then treat a guy that treats them well like trash. So men are going to do a lot of bullshit. I think that's a bunch of bullshit. On top of that, legally, women are put on... You're going to say it's bullshit. Number one, because you're not a man. You're not a man. Ask the men. Ask the men in this room. Ask a poll. Who do they treat better when you are a player when you are traditional? And I guarantee if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but you want to do a poll with the men in this room?

Are you doing a little fling? Are you doing long term? Are you seeing she doesn't? She's doing a little fling. Are you doing a fling? Are you doing long term? Okay, so then second of all, the other reason I believe that is because... For what I was going to see the interrupting. This is why women do it. It works. No, I just have to eat my egg. I have to eat my egg. No, that's not how I'm referring. You use ADHD. That's not acceptable. It's not acceptable. It is acceptable. No, but it's an excuse because you're too lazy. That's not an excuse. It's literally... I have a brother with ADHD, but he doesn't make excuses for it. It's not an... It's not acceptable. Behavior. You can't just keep making excuses. It's literally not an excuse. Yes, it is. Men don't get to do that. Oh, okay, traditionalism. The other way that men are punished by being traditional is legally. Men are put based on how the laws are. The more time that men spend away from the children working, which is what they have to do to be traditional, the more they can be put on Alamonia and child support later. So they're punished legally. And then the third way is by women's nagging.

Because even when guys do what women want, which is to protect and provide, there's complaining you work too much. You don't spend enough time with me. And by the way, I'm doing a therapy series where I go to therapists and I literally tell them situations where the woman is clearly wrong in complaining about this stuff. And even the therapist will back the women up. I'm interested in that. But I want to say that... It's time you to know... These are all... It's cheaper to keep her on YouTube. That's my new channel. I'm gonna subscribe. You're pointing out situations that yes, they happen. Of course they have. And I agree that they happen. You want it to... You're saying that it's always what happens. And that's what the problem is because it's not always what happens. They want it to happen sometimes. You can't say what somebody wants. I actually want to equip the viewers to just know when someone's full of shit. When they say, oh, you're generalizing, you're generalizing. Usually it's because they want you to not believe what you're seeing with your eyes. And I encourage you to ask if what I'm saying is true or not. And because, come on. Of course you see it. It's not something that doesn't happen. It does happen. It does happen. So now you're just arguing to argue.

It's nitpicking, which isn't sufferability. I'm not arguing, I'm saying it does happen. But it's not always. We know. You're talking as if it's always. No, I'm not. You are. You're saying that's the way women feel. That's what women do. That's what men do. But you want your... You want to see how insufferable this makes you to talk to. Because every time I make a generalization, every time I make a generalization, you have to say, oh, but not all, not all. Okay, we're going to be talking all you're... We know. That's not what we're doing. You're just saying average is your... I don't think it's an average. No, but see, that's... That's ton of the average. I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it's... Talk the way I want you to talk. No, bitch. No, I'm going to talk how I talk. Get over it. I'm going to respond to our respondent. I know. And it's insufferable. Glad you guys got a good sense of humor. I love to debate. I just can't ask you. Not usual. I just... You see what I don't... I don't... See, the meter you had wouldn't love it.

I was a good one. I'll give you that. Yeah, I just think for me, personally, like, in my own experience, because I'm not everyone, right? I've been in a relationship for seven years with my husband. We've gone through a lot of stuff. And it's only made... No, I'm not cheating. It's only made our relationship stronger. It's when you stick with the person and you grow with them. The feelings change. It forms into something else, but it's more of a strong love. Yeah, growing through stuff is how we bond as women. Right. However, men prefer peace. We like chaos. So that's why going through stuff makes us feel stronger. I mean, I don't know. I was kind of like a chaos. My husband kind of went towards the chaos for a while, so... According to you, right? But what would you say? He'll admit it, too. Oh, he would totally admit it. Yeah, because he knows what's going to happen if he does. No, he knows. He knows. He knows.

But he... I'm going to stay at home, Mom. Okay. My daughter's autistic. I homeschool her. And I also do content creation. So taking care of the house, homeschooling my autistic ADHD, dyslexic daughters, a lot. You can imagine, right? Level three, autistic, by the way. That's the highest level. So it's a lot. I'm not doing nothing. I'm not... It's a full-time job. Like that is a full-time job, right? Why are you here? And why are you here? My daughter's down the street with my husband. Yeah, but then it's not a full-time job if you're doing this part-time. And, entirely, it's a full-time job. No? I'm the only person that can take my daughter. I'm going to make my daughter. She's still not a money friend. I'm going to make my case. She's six years old. We got to just kill these egos, ladies. We got to kill this ego. It's okay. But many people... It's okay. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's okay. Yeah, we projected. You're going to say, men don't have egos.

Because none of them are... You see all these calm white guys here? Just chilling and the women are up and down. That does not mean they don't have an ego. If you're going to disrespect them or assume that they're not like... They just take it. They just take it. No, they don't. They get their ego. Men get their ego fucking damaged. They get... I hear a man. I just would like the women. It's okay to say that men are better than us. It's okay. Every gender has a different... No, we don't. So we're better at every gender. Men are better at some stuff. They're better at everything. They're not that great. They're not that great. They can't do it. But if they could, they would do it better. I promise to God. They'll find a way to do it better. You're only giving stuff. They can't biologically do that. This is just being a little dramatic. Yeah. It was just the point. It was just nothing else you could give because you'd bring it up if you could. That's the problem. Men are better at... They're better at parents. They're better at cooking. They're better at cleaning. They're better at everything. And that's okay. It doesn't mean... Just because we say adults are better than children, it doesn't mean that we hate... We hate children. It's okay. You've met a better at cooking.

Yes. Top Michelin chefs, men. My brother's a chef. He went to the A.B. He's a better at cooking than A.B. Listen, listen, Linda. He actually cooked for the LA King's. Yeah. He's a very amazing chef. He is delicious. That doesn't mean... There's not also very amazing women chefs that cook really good. That doesn't mean every man. Check, little fact here. The transcript says, top Michelin chefs are men. Implying that top Michelin start chefs are men. The claim is broadly supported by industrial data. Men dominate head chef. The Michelin-rated leadership roles. The top is vague and not precise. The search indicates only a small share of Michelin starred restaurants are led by women. With one source citing 6% versus 81%. On top of that makeup, so makeup is a female industry then the trannies come in and beat us. It's just incredible. I will admit... If I go to... If I go to Ulta... If I go to Ulta and there's like tranny in there with makeup on it, it looks like the top.

James Charles. Beautiful. They're making a place. I haven't went to a nail salon. I don't know. Not now. But I went to a nail salon the other day and I got this trans person. And it was just incredible. The women will chit chat, they'll waste all this time. This trans person... I like the trannies coming into our fields. I think I'm pro trans because this is amazing. They came in, they did my... It was the quickest, most efficient nail appointment I've ever had. It was amazing. And they did do a good job. I'm not against trans people. I'm against being fat to children. But here's my thing. I think as women, we could... Everyone would suffer a little bit less if there was just a little less ego. And I would be tortured less. Your kids would be tortured less. Your husbands would be tortured less. By just saying, do you know what? Some people are better than me. That's okay. Do men or women have more ego? I don't know if that's a fact-trackable thing. Because it's ridiculous. Or women have bigger egos. It's ridiculous, right? It's a ridiculous claim, no?

I'm a poor person. Yeah, but see, this is what I mean. You can't prove it. You can't... You can't either. I can, though. I can't because I tell... Here's the thing. When women lose an argument, you guys go to sources and whatever because there's always... What am I? Because there's... Shut up. Jesus Christ. Stop interrupting me. I'm trying. Real happy. The issue is you guys go to sources because you can't prove your point by giving anecdotes that everybody... Shh. I didn't say a word. I could see it in your face, okay? So you guys can't do that. So you bring up sources which are funded by who? Like, you can always find a source to say anything because it's funded by God knows who. And even with all that, I still find good sort, which is... I don't get enough credit for this. But regardless, regardless women and our egos, it's like men are checked if they're bad at things and we're not. So you can't think of a good argument. So you want to say, prove her wrong fact-track instead of just giving me a good argument. You're not. You're saying that... I'm saying think for yourself, you. I'm saying every single claim I'm seeing.

What do you see? Every single claim that you're making against women and do the same thing. No, I'm saying that's not true. How do you know? Because I have eyes. I have eyes. And I also... You have eyes. I can source and see. I go through three ways of figuring things out. Number one, my eyes. Number two, what's consistent in media and on TikTok? What are people saying online? And three, sources and studies. So you're looking at... So I go through three lenses. The three shit that you're looking at. No, it's whatever you're looking at. Did I ever be looking at an opposition? I did today. I did it today. I did it today. I tried to find women of an equally viral and important TikTok of a woman talking about what she likes being a parent. It doesn't exist. There's not these videos of women saying, I love being a mom and other women saying, yeah, that's amazing. It's like, not everybody thinks like that. It's like, get the fuck out of here. If you want to believe me, not like a man. If you want me to law a mom, I have not really good parenting videos from yours. And I love being a mom myself. But then if you look at women saying they hate being a mom,

there's women supporting it. I don't like that. So, you can do people that do and don't like being a mother, but not taking care of your child, not treating them right, not raising them right, and actually, right. Right. To the extreme of murdering your children, don't agree with that. That's not every mother. I know. And I want to keep saying this. I know. But I'm not the facts again. Because infant state, it's more likely that a mother would commit murder on her children. Toddler's stage is equal men and women. Because it's most likely that the father comes into the house. No, no, there's stepmothers too. There's stepmothers too. That's also, but this is another level in sufferability. We've got no bringing facts. No, no, you're not bringing facts. I mean, that's not a fact. You're not. I literally look at that. It's not a step. It's not a step. You guys haven't taken the time to go through each fact and see how it could be. I know you have it. You just go through the list. I literally have. Because if you look at, I doubt it.

Because we all know that there's more step-dads included in that statistic. Did you not look into that step-mother? And you're, I did. Oh, there was that. And there's more step-fathers included in those statistics. That's skews it. Oh, then that's step-out. When you look at biological parents, it's primarily the mother. So, and it's. Mothers and step-mothers killed more children and step. Wait, sorry. This is mothers and step-mothers killed more children than mothers and step-fathers. I get it. And one Canadian report when all ages were considered. 48% of 99 child deaths were. Attributed to mother step-mother and 39% to father step-father. So the problem is I'm the only one that's being honest. And I get punished for it constantly. What do you get punished for it? It's with the insufferability from women constantly. There's a difference between being honest and having a wild ass opinion. No, I'm being honest. And I get punished for it. You're being more accurate than most of these times.

You're being honest with your opinion, yes, I agree. And I get punished for it because I'm actually quite nice in these women are usually watching me. No, I like you. I'm actually creating it. I know, but I'm saying like, I get punished. Yeah, it's not. There's a level of professionalism men are expected to have in debates in half-do. And women just don't have because you guys are never punished for not following the rules. You'll notice when the guys come up, you know, they might break a rule once, but if you tell them no and to stop, they'll concede where the women, it's just insufferability constantly. Because other women you do break it. And we have to and we have to kick it. It's not all. I didn't do that. I would never be. You're still in a rough, you're doing it now because you keep interrupting me. And suffer a lot. You know you're interrupting me too, right? You've got to be closer. Sorry. Yeah, but I'm not going to argue with you that women are insufferable. Men are too though. They're not. That's an opinion. Literally, that's just an opinion. There's some effect. And that's fine. You have your opinions. I respect your opinions. And also, I respect you for coming up here and doing this because, you know,

it's just, it's a lot. But in my opinion, everything you're saying is an opinion. I've been. I've been citing facts all day. A fact. No. The fact that just proved me right. No, it didn't. It literally is. In the Canadian studies, the Canadian studies. So 48% of murderers are attributes to mothers and stepmothers. 39% of father and stepfather. Oh, that's higher for. That's a Canadian. Oh, yeah. No, no, you're. Oh, yeah. Right. Call of New statements. I'll give you that. Yeah. So, you know, a lot of people come here and they say that I don't offer a fact state and statistics, but the fact state and statistics back me up. The media also backs me up when you look at the trending stories and also what comes out of women's mouths. I believe women here. I'm a woman believer and I have to believe the words coming out of their mouth. And third. I encourage viewers to think for yourself because I'm not here to tell you what is true.

We're untrue. Look in your own life and your own personal life. And you can come to the conclusion for yourself. I'm not going to tell you what to believe. So. I understand that everybody has a different opinion. They have feelings and thoughts and that's fine. I respect people's opinions. But when people's opinions say that it's everybody, every woman, every man, I'm assuming your feelings, I'm assuming your motives, that's wild. But as your opinion, I can respect it, but it's still, it's not a fact. It's an opinion. Well, you just lied because I didn't say that. Oh, you didn't this entire time. How many times have I said, hey, there's exceptions this today? You still said, majority is and that's not true. See, this is insufferable. Insufferable. That's the new word for today. It's not, it's not, she admitted it. It's insufferable. We switched. At least it's new. It's fresh. It's fresh. It's not what it was yesterday. It's not what it was yesterday.

I'm pretty sure you guys have a good sense of humor with this. This was actually great entertaining. Okay. So I just genuinely want to understand your perspective on this because I don't, I don't know that we disagree on this. But all I can speculate to is my own experience. And I can think of the last like high profile case that was televised with a lot of people were talking about was the depth V heard. The what? Depth. Okay. V heard defamation case. Uh-huh. And I think that it was kind of during the Me Too movement and prior to the- Are you talking about the one after or the initial? Because during the Me Too movement- I guess it would be the second one. So for me too, everyone believed Amber heard and then later he legally prosecuted. Yeah, for the defamation. Yeah, for the defamation. Yeah. So I feel like a lot of people were, you know, against Johnny Depp. And then after the defamation trial, I've heard like after everyone was like watching everything play out, they were like, wait a minute.

And. Because. I had the money to defend himself and he lost millions of dollars first. Men don't generally like to fight. So it's kind of sad that we're in a society where you have to spend millions of dollars to defend your reputation. And because I get treated like a guy in a lot of ways because of the opinions I have. I see it. Women will just drag you to court for nothing and you've to spend like thousands of dollars in lawsuits over nothing. So. And yeah. So I don't know what's your, I don't know what's your disagreement that people believed him then after they didn't believe him or. I mean, yeah. I just, yeah, for my own observation, I didn't, I was pro Johnny Depp. I just was like, yeah, but society wasn't he was fired. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's awful. Yeah, it doesn't matter if you think it's awful because society at least initially didn't believe him. Yeah. And he was punished. And okay, he might have been vindicated later.

But what did you, did she even pay the money? I don't know. Yeah, what did he get out of that? He lost millions dollars. Yeah. So I think I mean, they won. Yeah. They won. You provide a huge, I don't know, spotlight of a huge issue in our society. What do you think led to those like societal biases? Women have too much power and we're just drunk on power. So everything's downstream of that because everyone's paid by women. So there's no incentive to be honest. Yeah. As much as I get called a grifter, I've lost millions of dollars doing this stuff because, yeah, women will go to the ends of the earth to destroy you. It's crazy. Yeah. So because women have the voting power and the spending power. So everyone's got a cater to you 24 seven. There's too much punishment if you don't. You get dragged to court. You get, you get, I mean, I get kicked out of the court. You get, I mean, I get kicked off platforms constantly. Like whenever women are mad, they can get you fired from your job like Johnny Depp. Yeah. They can fall asleep, use you stuff.

Because women have the legal system behind them. They have all of the companies. It's okay. Let's say we're at work, right? And everyone in here is part of the job. And you decide you want to lie today and you want to accuse him of harassment or something. Well, he is the boss. And his job is he can either defend this guy and possibly lose money. You could go to social media and complain. You could, you could see the company. And the boss is just going to say, well, I'm just going to fire him because I don't want to deal with that. So men are thrown under the bus because women have all the power. Because then the boss is going to have to think, well, my customers are women. Yeah. So what am I going to do? The women are, they might, if they find out about this, then they're going to cancel me. And now, and most men aren't going to, you know, they're not going to give up their financial position for other men. Yeah. So it's just women are drunk on power now. So what do you think the solution is? There's no solution. There's no solution. No, it's going to get people hate on me, but I'm being honest.

Yeah. The only solution I see is guys got to start bringing guns to it. Right now we're having knife to a gun fight. So men treat women with kid gloves. They, women can break the rules and have no, like that's why, what do you think I was pushing to get her kicked out? Because she broke the rules. She knew what she was doing. There has to be a consequence. And until we start having like men putting women on alimony, men putting women on child support, men saying no to women, it's just going to be the same thing happening over and over and over again. Yeah. There has to be a consequence. So unfortunately, most men aren't going to do that. So honestly, I have heard you talk about the like marriage thing before. And what comes to mind is like, why not just encourage everyone to do like a pre-neutral agreement? So the issue with that is pre-naps can be fought in court. So okay, let's say, let's say you guys get married, you're pre-napsed happily ever. And I'm sure you'd never do this, right? But you could at the time later say you were under duress when you signed the pre-naps. Now, let's say it's a shut and dry case. And it's very obvious you weren't based on the pre-naps.

He still has to pay money to go to court. And a lot of states he has to pay for both of your lawyers. Yeah. So okay, maybe the pre-naps enforced, but it's after you've spent wasted a year of his life fighting it. Yeah. So it's not just even the money. I think most men would give you money just to stop torturing them. What if it was like noterized? There's a witness to the agreement. There's ways to make it better. I'm not against pre-naps. There's ways to improve it and make it better. But the people that tend to sell, that it's a foolproof thing, are tend to be lawyers that sell them. Yeah. So I always cite me these statistics from law websites. I'm like, yeah, of course, the other thing too, you can't predict how laws will change in the future. You could sign a pre-naps today. And then in 10 years, women vote for some politician that gives them more power. For example, all the men that got divorced in 1970, that was the highest divorce rate ever. In 1940, they could have met their wife and thought, she could never divorce me. She can't do it. Yay! I get a lifelong commitment. And then 1970 rolls around.

And he's like, wait, what happened? I got my wife in 1940, man. You know? So you can't predict the future, God. But I guess my question then is, but marriage doesn't, or not getting married, doesn't necessarily protect these people or the men. In not getting married, you can still come to the common law. That's true. That's the problem. As men walk away from it, they say we're not getting married. And then the state says, uh-uh-uh. Yeah. The state will come in and then pass a new law to force them in a way legally. I would just say, honestly, there's so many ways legally to screw a guy that guys are kind of screwed no matter what. But it's just another layer of, without marriage, they can't be put on Alamoni. I think, I'm sure a different state by saying. I don't know, yeah. But from what I understand in most states, that's just another thing they can't be tortured with. And Alamoni is worse because I'll interview a guy who, um, like they can't retire because they're put on Alamoni.

Yeah. I have it in here. The number is of child support. But if a man's under a certain income, he's, he's in poverty. I was trying to bring these up yesterday. And it's so long it's 18 years. So it's 18 years of just extreme poverty for a lot of these guys. And they end up killing themselves because of these policies. For me, it's not, it's not, I'm saying it because a lot of people are trying to bring these up. I'm saying it because a lot of men don't know what they're signing. And it's really, for me, people that recommend marriage really bother me because you guys are recommending something that could potentially lead to a man killing of themselves. And I've met men that have either been close or, um, I've interviewed a few guys. I wouldn't be surprised if they did by now because of the situations they were in. Yeah. There shouldn't be preferential treatment based on the vendor. And honestly, I would argue that we should just remove a lot of the government from personal choices because question is, doesn't he? It's not doing marriage contracts with the government.

I mean, is that absolutely no? No, there's no, it's, there's no solution because you're still going to be put on child support. You know what? Actually, surrogacy. Surrogacy and a real female robot. Yeah, that's, but other than that, there's really what's going to happen is men are going to drop out of civilization. And they're going to stop doing the dirty and dangerous jobs because they're going to think to themselves, why should I do this? My wife isn't going to stay with me. I don't need to make this much money. So they're going to, you're going to see more men put women on Alamonian child support that's still going to be a minority. But men are just going to drop out of civilization. It's society is going to crumble and eventually it's going to collapse. Yeah. So it's, it's not going to be pretty and we're starting to see it. I'm sure in the last 10 years, it's completely different for me going out in a city. Like you see these crack heads that you're like, you're kind of more afraid of and that's more like in Chicago. There's got just punch in people on the subway. But women keep voting Democrat. And so they vote for these weak ass prosecutors that don't like that are weak on crime. Men have no incentive to be police officers because if they make a mistake, there's going to be a riot potentially.

And the government isn't going to back them up. So there, there, there's going to be less cops, less military stuff. And it's just going to get more dangerous and bad. Hopefully I'll be dead by the time it totally falls apart. Okay. For men, I want to talk about according to the census bureau average child support payment is $441 a month for men at the bottom of the wage scale. Most men in this category will be forced under the poverty line of 15,950 a year after child support is taken. The main reason why 70% of men are homeless, the average child support payment in the top 10 states is $881 a month. And so the calculators online for each state of man who makes 6,000 gross a month will be on 1300 to 1600 in child support alone. And this does not include with the pay men medical, dental, federal, state tax, alimony if paid is added on top as well. So it just becomes so dev, marriage is just going to be for the rich in the future.

It's going to disappear from the middle class because it's too expensive. I feel like it already kind of is. Yeah, sure. So feminism one, you win, ladies. Yeah, but I'm like, I don't, a part of me just thinks that that same like, you know, create like just the imbalance of power is not the solution, right? We should probably just recognize that we're different and treat each other as such and just keep track of it. I want women to get the equality you asked for. So I want you to work like a guy. Yeah. Yeah. So I want, I want, because here's the thing, women want no consequence. Women fought for all of these rights, protections. You want the right to abort your kid. You should also have the right to be a single mother. Yeah. You should, he should be able to opt out of child support the same way you can opt out of motherhood. I want, I want women to get what they asked for. Yeah, I want to see that that's necessarily that. I want to see 50% of women in the military. I want to see you guys fight on the front. No, I want 50% of women on the front lines because then, you know, when women see that maybe it's more difficult than we thought, maybe they'll say, you know what?

That voting stuff. You know, so that's what I want to see. Yeah, but everybody's individual wants are different. So I don't know. But women's wants are the same. Hortum, abortion and selfishness. So pretty much across the board. I've got maybe three women in my life. I don't like that. Yeah. All right. All right. Thank you. Thank you so much, guys. So I think we're done for the debates for the day. Thank you very much for joining us for this 10 versus one. See you on the next one. If you're enjoying this debate, do me a quick favor. Hit the subscribe button. We're bringing in some of the most controversial voices on the internet and putting them face to face with people who completely disagree with them. It's not easy. So your subscription helps us pull this off. Comment below who you want to see the debate next as well. Rathies is up to something big. The famous flats brand has reimagined their iconic point shoot to be better than ever to celebrate its 10th anniversary. Rathies made the point even more beautiful and comfortable than before.

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