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Episode number 452 is with DJ Hestoprin.

From his podcast, DJ Hestoprin's music is therapy.

We do a video arrow so we can connect or what do you feel?

Well, here's how I feel about that, Miss DJ, and that is, is that I'm a radio guy and

I believe in theater of the mind.

I was so upset when KCK some appeared on the Hardy Boys.

It was like, that's not the way I wanted my KCK some to look, and I said, I will never,

ever do that.

And I was so, I was just, and then when I see all these radio jocks, even Shadow Stevens,

it's like, come on.

Oh, Shadow, I really wanted you to be, I don't know, but not that.

That's not what I wanted you to be.

And I'm so afraid people are saying the same thing about DJs as well as, oh yeah, perfect

for radio.

Look at that face.

Ah.

I mean, doesn't everybody know what we look like by now?

I hope not.

Well, everybody knows what I look like, I don't know what to tell you.

You know what?

I got to tell you something.

And I hope they warned you about me in the way that music is my spiritual tool.

Music is everything that I use as a tool to, to help get into people's lives.

And I don't know if it's because I'm a mobile DJ or I've club DJed, but there is something

about those of us that have been where the people are that we use music as a tool.

And you're one of them and you're probably the first one to step out saying, guys, there's

something too.

What we're doing.

Yes, that's right.

When you say you use music as a spiritual tool, tell me what's the meaning of this?

Well, the spiritual tool is is that I will use it.

Oh my God.

Okay.

If you want to go there, I'll take it there.

I believe in frequency music.

I want the only place where I don't like to travel is into music of the past because

I ain't living in my past.

It's about the now.

I'm tired of hearing that Freddie Mercury is 50 years, you know, the music is 50 years

old.

I want to know what's going on in the music of now.

I give me the latest beats.

Give me something now.

Well, it's funny because the way that I use music with my clients, how right is that

I talk to people about their past and about where they were and we use music as a way

to conjure the emotional presence of that time.

But the brain doesn't know the difference.

If we're talking about 50 years ago or if we're feeling 50 years ago, if we can play

a record from 50 years ago and bring you into that space emotionally, the brain doesn't

know if you're there or we're just talking about it and listening to records.

I think that's a very powerful tool for healing your life.

Do you think that's because I'm so really addicted to sharing the stories of the new artists

and they're playing a game right now where they're trying to get recognized and there's

not enough people to stand behind them to cheer them on.

And it's like, wait, if I'm spending all my time in the past, which the younger generation

is because I spend music in schools, it's not about Justin Bieber right now.

I love Justin Bieber.

I play Justin Bieber.

I play Justin Bieber all the time.

Oh my god.

I love Justin Bieber.

And by the way, Justin Bieber is a little bit the music of the past too.

I'm sorry to say.

I mean, that's a moment, that's a moment to go.

I think that like, you know, I wonder often about how deeply people, a certain number of

people can connect to a modern artist because we have so many more artists and we have so

much more content now than we had, you know, even 30 years ago.

There was a time, certainly 50 years ago, that's a make a record.

You had, Anita Franco says, people used to make records as in the record of an event,

the events of people making music in a room.

So if you couldn't play with proficiency, you didn't get to make a record.

So there was six, seven, eight records a week, not six hundred, seven hundred and eight

hundred.

I don't necessarily think that gatekeeping is a good thing.

But I do think that as far as how much we can consume and how much we can connect to,

that was better.

I remember growing up in the 90s, waiting for like projam vitology to come out, waiting

and having it marked on my calendar and going after school to the record, to the record

store on, you know, to going down to tell records on 4th Street to buy, you know, vitology

and then to listen to it over and over and over and to discuss it and to really get into

it.

The barrier to entry was high, the investment was high and you were holding something.

You were holding a CD, let alone, you know, 20 years before holding an LP.

You held it.

It was something real.

And so now I wonder, even though I love modern music and I play a lot of it and I'm

very connected to Chapel Rowan and to live your Rodrigo and to some of the, you know,

hip-hop artists, but I do wonder how do we make this deep emotional, spiritual investment

and connection into something we can't touch, something we don't have to wait for, something

we can't flip through, something that we don't have the attention spans to even listen

to before we're being called in 1800,000 different directions.

I really wonder about this.

And so when you say that people are still connecting to the music of the past, I don't

think it's because they're living in their history.

I think it's because they haven't built the neural pathways to connect to the music of

the present.

That's so funny that you say that because I did, I've done so much research on this and

what it showed was it basically it says, you're not going back to your past, you're living

a moment.

Now bring that moment to your now so you can continue on with that moment and it literally

said that book authors deal with it all the time because people pick up their book 30

and 40 years from now and think it's brand new.

Yes, that's cool.

And I think that when you have something tangible to flip through and that book takes a long

time to read, you know, you can completely immerse yourself in it and it becomes of this

moment because it connects to wherever you are, then, you know, it's funny.

I discovered the Rolling Stones kind of late in life.

This is a funny story.

We have a story.

We have a time for this.

Yeah.

So I, you know, I've been a DJ for a long time.

I've been a DJ for professionally for like 15 years.

I mix vinyl.

I play all these events, all these parties and things.

I got hired to do a collaboration between a clothing company and the Rolling Stones.

I suppose they were licensing the Rolling Stones logos and things and they had a, like

a VIP party and it was lots of stones, fans and the media, which was like men of a certain

age.

And they sent me the entire Rolling Stones catalog, which is like a thousand songs.

And I was a casual Rolling Stones listener, but I never had invested because I knew it was

such a big mountain to climb.

And I was like, well, this is the job.

I'm going to climb this mountain of the stones.

And I got super into the Rolling Stones like 15 years ago and I listened to the Stones

all the time and I played this show and I only played Rolling Stones records for like

three hours.

You know, I mixed them in a creative way.

And everyone was like, you're such a great DJ and I was like, I'm just playing, I'm just

playing your favorite band.

But when I think of the Rolling Stones, I don't conjure up swinging 60s, one in and all

of this.

The Rolling Stones feels to me like New York City of 2007, isn't that funny?

And I remember the guy that I was dating and I remember the apartment I was living in

and I was on the east side and all the things that happened in my life are soundtracked by

the Rolling Stones, but it doesn't look like Rolling Stones world.

It looks like New York City 2007 world.

And so whenever you immerse yourself in the song or the artist or the lyric or the book

or whatever it might be, it connects to that moment in your life, not necessarily the

moment that was happening when the record was made.

So then how would you explain me jumping on to REMs, everybody hurts right before I go

in and I officiate a wedding?

Why am I even or even going into Nazareth love hurts?

Is it because I want to feel that pain so I don't share that pain or is it I want

them to say, Hey, look, this is a bigger project than what you think it is.

Please take these vows seriously.

Well, let me ask you this first question, right?

Let's take a breath.

Let's slow down.

Listen to you.

Let me say a breath and slow down, okay, we're going to do some music connection therapy.

When you listen to this song, everybody hurts.

What does this song feel like?

I don't mean what is the lyrics say?

What does this feel like to you?

What does this feel like in your body?

That we're not alone.

We said that even though they promoted the fact that we are all alone on a free way

that's overcrowded with other people who feel alone, we're not.

Just stop and look around and you'll know that there's a community around you.

So it feels like connection.

Yes.

It does.

It does.

So I wonder when we're officiating a wedding, right?

Which I have never done.

You've done.

I haven't done.

But I've been to many weddings and I believe the consciousness of attending a wedding is

committing to be the community to hold up this couple.

That's right.

Tell them that they're not alone when things get hard because things will get hard.

Yeah.

And so essentially it sounds to me like what you're doing is you're programming this feeling

into your body via this song.

And then you're showing up and you're facilitating, right?

You're taking everyone on a ride.

But first you set this container in yourself and then you bring everybody into this container

with you.

And so you are programming into the folks via REM, this idea that we are in this moment

we are together.

We are a community.

We are holding each other up.

And that's how we're going to bring this union into being.

So beautiful.

It's not a beautiful thing.

It is.

And now I envision you being somewhat like me in the way that you have a favorite place

where you sit down with your writing instrument as well as a big old tablet and you're just

constantly researching, okay.

So why?

Because I do this with animal speak.

When I see an animal inside this beautiful forest, I'll go in there.

I will study everything about that animal.

But what's playing in the background?

Music.

Of course there's music because I believe there's a connection.

They are.

And I will sit there and I'll research about I hear music when music's not even on.

And it will sit there and say it's the frequency you butt head.

There are so many frequencies around you.

You just happen to hear it.

Do you agree with that?

I definitely agree with that.

I think that there's a lot of people doing interesting work in that area.

I have this friend major who is who is an artist and a producer and he's really doing a lot

of great work and frequencies.

That's not my lane.

I love this idea.

It's very, very based in neuroscience and the nervous system of being a mammal, right?

In the body.

I love this idea and I'm very, I'm very into it.

But what I'm doing at this moment in time is I'm talking to people about their emotional

experience, right?

I'm talking to them about the moment in their life.

I'm talking to them about their dreams for the future.

What do you want to change?

Where do you want to go?

Is it the job?

Is it your health?

Is it the relationship?

You know what I mean?

What is it that you, who do you want to be?

And then we curate the playlist of who they want to be.

We connect it to the songs of the past.

We're choosing a new identity until the outside world catches up and the music, the records,

repeat it.

And they basically affirm or really hypnotize, really building new neural pathways towards

their future life.

That's what I do with music is that the same way you pick everybody hurts and you listen

to this record and then you are, I suppose in your language, you could say you're vibrating

at the frequency, but in my language, I would say you've created the consciousness or the

neural pathways.

It doesn't matter if you speak language of spirituality or neuroscience or psychology

or whatever it is, you know, when you see like an EEG, right, someone takes an EEG,

it's brain waves, you see it, you see it on a piece of paper, that's what you do.

You program your brain to admit a certain type of wave and if that's how we communicate

to each other nonverbally and if you listen to everybody hurts and but the feeling is

not everybody hurts.

The feeling is we're all in this together and you come in and that's, yes, that's what

you are saying and that's what you're repeating and that's what you're admitting.

Well, that's what everyone else is picking up and through a mirror neurons, everyone's

nervous system and brain waves sink with yours so that everyone is feeling the same thing,

collective effervescence, right?

When everyone is feeling the same thing, now we have power, that's a lot of energy.

Are we directed at the couple or do we directed at the world or directed in an angry way?

I saw M&M perform at a music festival.

Can we curse on this podcast or now?

Yeah, yeah.

M&M perform at a music festival and he said, now all the guys turn to the, all the girls

and put up your middle finger and say, fuck you bitch and all the guys did that.

And then he said, now all the women turn to the men and say, fuck you, you asshole.

I was in the audience of this and I said, well, now we've created a lot of anger and

a very toxic, dangerous, conscious isn't energy and there's a 10,000 people here now in

this ready to, ready to fight, ready to go.

This is really powerful, but this is really negative.

What's the opposite of this?

All right.

Hang on a second here.

We are just getting started with DJ Hesta Prin.

Oh my god, this is so up my alley.

We'll be right back right after this.

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Well, I don't know this booty call song, but every song is more than lyrics.

Every song is about what is the feeling it evokes when you hear it?

And then what are the thoughts and the beliefs and what is it about for you?

It's different than what it's about for me.

Everybody hurts for me does not feel like we're all in this together.

Everybody hurts for me feels like I'm alone.

Okay.

Yeah.

It feels like this sucks.

It doesn't make me feel connected.

You know what?

R.A.M.

song makes me feel connected.

Half a world away.

Remember that one?

Yes.

Oh.

That's abuse.

See, that's a deep cut.

That's what I see.

I believe in that.

Oh, I feel like a Southern preacher.

I believe my friends.

Bring on that song from Ariel.

I feel it.

Yeah.

Right.

Yes, exactly.

So, you know, it's about really what does it mean to you?

That's what's interesting to me.

And there's songs that mean the same things to all of us.

I will survive.

It means the same things to everybody.

Yeah.

But other songs mean different things to different people.

So, do you think that's the reason why grocery store music has changed so much?

They're putting so much damn research into what's on that song.

They're not just playing anything.

I think they go into research more than a radio station does.

I think you're right.

You know, they play great music and target.

I have to tell you.

I love the record stuff they play there.

I think that'd be like a dream job curating for them.

Yes.

Yes.

So, now, we're quickly running out of time.

This is never enough time.

Okay.

That's why people have got to go to your website to really tap into this because I'm going

to tell you, it's going to become the addiction.

And one of the things that I love about podcasting is I think it's modern day music.

Listen to your rhythm.

Listen to your pace, the way you're breathing, the way you share stories, everything about

a podcast, especially yours, has everything that a song will give you.

The question is, why are you waiting for there to be an instrumentation in the background?

Um, okay.

Yes.

Is there, what's the question?

Is there a question for me?

The question is, is that music has changed for us to the point where we're accepting

human communication again as our way of soothing.

We don't have to rely necessarily on music.

I can go to your podcast and feel like a million damn dollars right now.

Yeah.

Of course.

Go to it right now.

Music is therapy.

On I Heart, on Spotify, on Apple Music, go to it.

That's the, that's the idea.

That's what we're talking about, isn't it?

So then what happens to your journey, though, that because I always think about post-production

blues afterwards, when you're that open with a piece of music, you've now given it

you're all, what are you doing to fill back up?

Tell me, ask me the question again.

So in other words, I believe that communicators, radio people, podcasters, we give so much

energy into what we're doing on this microphone.

That when that microphone turns off, we all go shit.

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, and you're going, I got, I got to get a pick, me up.

I got to go for a walk.

I got to, I got to get the hell out of here because you've given so much and I feel that

on your show.

You give me so much and I always sit there and go, oh my God, who was there in a

picker back up?

So I practice TM, transcendental meditation, do that twice a day, it's 20 minutes twice

a day, and that's how I get my energy back.

In addition to being a DJ, I'm a licensed therapist, I see patients, I have a lot of friends

and I have a kid and I feel that, first of all, I have a lot of energy anyway, that's

why I got into this whole night life game, real talk, but I give a lot of energy all the

time.

I mean, I'm sure you can tell and I think that you're the same.

I'm not really like a small talk type of gal.

I'm this person all the time, like I'm having these conversations all the time and I only

want to be having these conversations all the time and so it's a lot of intensity and

it's a lot of presence, you really have to be present to have a conversation like this

and so I meditate, that's how I recharge.

Don't you love it though, when these artists, when you're sitting down having a conversation

and they give you a spiritual side of their lyrics, you went holy crap, they went there.

I did not know they were going to go there.

I mean, I feel like everything that I talk about is the spiritual side of everything but

I'm kind of like, this is a trip I'm on right now, that's what I'm doing, so yes, I do

love that.

God, you got to come back to this show any time in the future, I will beg Mike and everybody

if I can have like 50 or 60 minutes with you because that means, but then again, I got

your podcast.

Oh my God.

That's right, listen, you know what, listen, you can email it, I'm like, do we call in,

we don't call in, but you can email in, music is therapy pod at gmail.com, tell me where

you're listening to.

Tell me the song that turned you on today, I'll talk about it on the show, I'll see what

our guest thinks.

Like, I want to have this conversation with you with everybody forever.

This is the whole, this is the whole like reason for why I'm doing this is to have conversations

just like this one.

I love it.

Please, please be brilliant today.

Okay.

Okay.

I will.

You be brilliant today too.

Just okay.

Just okay.

No.

No, this is where you say fantastic, dude.

I'm on my way, man.

Fantastic.

Fantastic.

I'm on my way, man.

Fantastic.

Have fun.

I don't know.

I don't know.