Regime change? Nation-building? Democracy? America’s Wars

on the Middle East War has Americans divided, but also largely against the conflict.

Machine change, nation-building, American democracy.

Our all the reasons Americans have turned out foreign conflicts and strongly favor an

America-first agenda.

Can President Trump thread the needle by keeping the conflict short, claiming victory, and

returning aggressively to the economy at home?

We'll put a spotlight on the real-world terrorist threats that are linked to the Biden-era

border crisis.

Will the Iran War result in sleeper cells and lone wolf terrorist attacks back here

at home?

Major Fred Galden, former immigration judge Andrew Arthur, and geopolitical analyst Brandon

Weiter, and an explosive talk that represents the divide in America.

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Welcome to the Weekend News Magazine.

If you point this Sunday, it is Malcolm out loud here, and privileged to be with you

always, my fellow Americans, welcome to the broadcast, and I'll tell you what.

Everybody's got an opinion about what has happened in, of course, in the Middle East,

and as they should.

That's what it's supposed to be, that's how we are, we are a diverse nation, what diverse

thoughts.

The polls are interesting, and, you know, let me just share a couple with you up front

before we bring on the team here and talk about this.

You're going to be an interesting broadcast today, because I think you'll get a good

swath of opinions on where America sits.

Because people are divided on this, let's be real clear, and many of you may know that.

People try to convince themselves that their opinion is the only opinion, and that you

should fall in line, but that's just not the way it is, friends.

So I'm here to state the obvious, or should be obvious to everybody here.

But some of the polls, NPR, a majority of Americans oppose the U.S. military action in Iran,

according to latest NPR, PBS news, Amerispol there, by a 56, 40, 4% margin, they oppose

the military action, just 36% to prove how Trump is handling Iran, and a majority, 55%

think Iran, either represents a minor threat or no threat at all to the United States.

Very interesting.

The Hill poll shows deep public skepticism of Trump's case on Iran, Democrats, 86%, independent,

61%, and Republicans, 84%, again, your ideology, it all lines up with ideology in this particular

one here, but that was with the Hill there.

A Reuters poll found that only 27% of surveyed Americans approve of the U.S. actions against

Iran while 43% disapprove, 29%, yeah, they really weren't sure.

CNN poll, CNN SSRS poll, which does not include a not sure option, they say, found 41% of

respondents approve of the decision to take military action, 59% disapprove.

And in economists, you gov poll, always interesting, received here, shows that the U.S.

military forced to overthrow the government of Iran at 32% and opposition of 45%.

Now, John does on the broadcast, it's a 27-year veteran of the Marine Corps, major Fred

Galvin is here, he made history of the Marine Corps, first special operations task force

commander, leading elite warriors into combat in Afghanistan, Fred's book, I'm going to

get that in there.

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And then Andrew Authors here, he's a former immigration judge, and now the resident

fellow in law and policy for the Center for Immigration Studies.

Of course, CIS, you should all know, is a Washington, D.C.

Basic Research Institute and really all immigration.

Art has a great history in D.C. has worked throughout Congress, has really has his footprints

throughout that.

And it's just that which we shared last time he was on the broadcast, it's a great backdrop

to his career.

And then, John says, well, Brandon Whitehurt is here, he's a geopolitical analyst.

And Brandon is what I consider a big thinker because he thinks outside the lines a little

bit.

And he's been very outspoken about his views in a very interesting way that I enjoy seeing

him and brings up a great perspective.

He's also the Senior National Security Editor at 1945.com.

He's host, by the way, Brandon and Fred are both on the National Security Hour, which

is the program I tell you don't miss that 8 PM Eastern Time Monday through Friday.

So get a great sense of voices on that broadcast, 8 PM, the National Security Hour Monday

through Friday on the network here, friends.

Okay.

Let's talk about public sentiment on the Middle East War and I want to just open it up

here at 30,000 feet with each of you, please.

And talk about some of the polls I just put out there and the division within all of

this.

Brandon, let me start with you, please, on this here.

What surprises do you see if any out of those polls and what is your sense, not so much

your personal opinion right now, but what's your sense about where Americans are in this

division of the Middle East?

Well, I think that most Americans were somewhat ambivalent, but the longer it goes on, the

more that President Trump will lose, have been sort of joking, losing the mandate of heaven.

And that is only really because of two things, the potential of, you know, American troops

possibly being killed, losing, you know, military, whatever, that will affect people's public

opinion, but furthermore, the gas prices.

And as those gas prices continue to spike, we've seen the largest spike in gas prices,

I think in several years, 40, yeah, 40% spike, it might be ever, it might even be ever.

It might be.

It might be.

I'll put it this way.

I know this for a fact.

The gas prices today are far higher than they were the day that Trump was sworn in for

the second time, which is not good as you're going into a midterm election.

And the President is sitting around talking about how well it doesn't really matter.

The gas prices don't really matter.

I don't care.

So people do care, especially because we're going into the summer months, right, Malcolm?

That's what everybody likes to travel.

And this war is not going to be over by then, and you know, they may stop the bombardment

and whatever they may shift to a special forces, you know, whatever.

But the point is, is that the effects on the economy are going to be felt well into

November, the time we're all going to be voting.

All right.

And a lot of the points you just bring up, Brandon, and let me bring in here, Art, on

this, please.

You know, these, like Brandon saying, the prices, the economy, gas prices, et cetera, et cetera.

Now I wonder this, Art, and I know this is going to maybe come across, like I'm being

a smart guy here, but, and I hear what has just been said, and it's accurate information.

But I wonder what those public sentiments are, Art, if around had attacked, if something

had happened, if something, if that other shoe had dropped.

We so much be worried about a gas price, then, or would be worried about the carnage

of the damage that Iran had done.

If we believe Iran is a bad player, and we'll get more into that later here, you know,

what I'm asking?

Yeah, they'll understand exactly what you're asking.

And, you know, I think that Fred and Brandon, you know, may agree with this statement, may

not.

But, Iran's been at war with the United States for the last 47 years between 2014 and

2021, Border Patrol agents at the Southwest border, apprehended, in total, 130 Iranian

nationals, almost exclusively military aid.

In just three years, between FY 2022 and 24, 1,460 Iranian nationals were apprehended.

And we have no idea how many Iranian nationals were in the 2 million who managed to evade

Border Patrol apprehension and make their way into the United States.

Let me jump in.

We're going to guess right this moment, just a guess based on all, don't tell us all

the, because you have a lot of numbers in your head, a lot of breakdown, but if you were

to guess, what does that roughly look like, approximately, of people from that part of

the world in our country?

What does it look like, that number?

I would guess that we probably have about 5,000 unaccounted Iranian nationals who came

into the United States under the Biden administration and who are now burrowed in just last year,

the H.S. issued a warning to law enforcement agencies across the United States to be concerned

about Iranian sleeper cells in this country.

So this is a real threat to the American people.

One, they probably don't even know that is out there with the potential to harm them.

Provoking the enemy, if that's what this was, and everybody has a view on it, I get it,

but we have more risk right now, major, with at home here, because of, in your opinion,

an customization, because we are now in battle with Iran and the Middle East.

So is that put us more at risk here at home?

It definitely does, in my opinion, and I believe a lot of the intelligence community reports

that have came out stating what is estimated as far as not just Iranian, sympathetic, illegal

immigrants coming across our border, but that there's actually Al Qaeda possibly up to an

over 1,000 Al Qaeda personnel here, and who knows from what other countries it's, we've

seen ice picking up people of Chinese background, and those could be just people looking for a better

life.

And we don't know the division of that.

You're exactly right.

How about it?

So if we're really at risk right now, do you suspect we'll get through this chat?

I mean, do you have any, what's your gut tell you, or do you like other people who are

in my ear right now, major, telling me that, wow, they suspect that it's just a matter

of days, hours, something before some of these cats is always just describing, go off and

create some real havoc here at home.

What's your guts feeling on that?

Members of Congress, like Hakim Jeffries, go out there and continue to stir the pot and

tell people this is in a legal war, and there's all this rhetoric that fuels the fire, and

that's literally something that just like Art had mentioned, you know, there's massive

chronology.

And you look at the tale, the tape of what Iran has done and the Iranian sponsors in Iran,

like you mentioned with the embassy, and the brutal conduct that they've done against

some of our officials, but they've kidnapped, they and their proxies have kidnapped Americans

on their own soil, foreign, they've assassinated people, and they were attempting to assassinate

our president.

So when you say, you know, why are we doing this in Iran?

Well, at some point in your life, just like they taught us as a young infantry officer,

once you back somebody into a corner, they are going to fight, and I've heard all this

rhetoric, because I have to listen to the meat channel media out there, and there's a

lot of people that are just, I think, punch drunk and saying, this was unprovoked what

we did to Iran.

Right.

Right.

Use me.

So there's a lot of information.

Hold on now, because over those 47 years, right, a lot of people don't recognize there

are a lot of dots have not been connected about the Americans' lives that have been lost.

There are so many, it's a checklist, and I don't want to get into the checklist, but it's

a long checklist of things here.

What's the summation of that number?

I've seen some reports that were, like, more than four digits.

What is the, what, any idea what that number is?

Very good question, and in the last administration, I don't have the total tail of the tape, but

I will say this, when 7 October happened, what did America do to deserve aggression from

my raining back proxies?

I would submit nothing as far as official acts, but we saw, and there used to be this

iCasualty.org as far as how many Americans were killed or wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan,

that in the Biden administration is gone, and I always ask the listeners, check my math.

So there was one military times freedom of information act request that was, came out

with a report of 168 attacks on U.S. forces just in the Middle East.

So those are our ships at sea.

Those are attacks by Iranian-backed militias in Iraq, Syria.

We've lost a lot.

Yes.

But that's being covered up, so why is that, hold on, why is that being covered up?

Because I don't hear a lot about that, why?

Well, it's no longer anymore, and I'm sad, very, I mean, these are people that are overseas

fighting, when you hear about these six, the President Trump's administration is very

transparent, but we did not have that during the Biden administration.

And I think that was intentional, obviously, I mean, they had to do a Freedom of Information

Act request for what we used to be able to see on these websites.

In some people could say, well, that's, we don't want to let the enemy know how effective

some of their attacks were, but my, the bigger point, Malcolm, is our forces, they didn't

do anything offensive.

Well, they didn't do anything, though, it doesn't, I don't think that's a matter, that's

right.

I'm sorry.

I don't think it matters.

So where's the enemy?

We're going to be the enemy, you know?

And that narrative that you just said right there, Malcolm, that is what needs to, the

people who think that this was unprovoked and this unjust war.

We have been getting hundreds of attacks, so let me get over to Brandon on that point.

Now, so Brandon, what about that, please, the fact that it's a very high number, it

totally is.

And yet, I see, you know, I've read some of the polls up front, the media is not going

to put a light on any of that back to what we're talking about here.

So, you know, there's a lot to say about it, but what about all that, Brandon?

Does that change the rules of engagement or was, I mean, was it, well, there's no doubt,

there's no doubt that the Iranian regime is not a friend of the Americans.

The Iranian regime has killed Americans, as was noted, not just Bill Buckley and, you

know, the other officials, but this goes back many decades.

But ultimately, the question is, and I think this is going to become more prevalent the

longer the war goes on, and it's going to go on longer, and it's going to affect many

more things.

There's going to be no containing it in terms of the political fallout.

This is a repeat of 2003 all over again.

We don't yet thank God, have boots on the ground, and I don't think it will be a convention.

Why should I hold on?

Why should a repeat of 2003?

Well, I mean, I'd like to just push back on what the previous, I don't know if it was

Fred or Arthur, but somebody had mentioned that this is an unconstitutional war.

There's been absolutely no discussion about the reasons.

There's been a claim made that the Iranians were going to attack us, and then it was insisted

that, well, they were going to attack us because the Israelis were going to attack them.

There's been no evidence that the gang of eight is claiming that the Trump administration

before the initiation of hostilities withheld key intelligence, which is a big legal problem

and a constitutional problem now for the Trump administration.

If that is, in fact, proven, and I am sure that this is being looked into quite, in fact,

I know it is, by notably the Democrats in the Senate, they are investigating this, and

I'm sure it will come out at some point whether this happened or not.

But if it did happen, then that's a big problem for the Trump administration.

You've been, so very interesting, you've been very, very outspoken about this, pushing

back very heavy, but let me ask you, because this doesn't, doing this now, destroys Trump's

domestic agenda.

Well, let's talk about that.

That's the next thing.

There's no American, there's no deterring China, there's no re-industrializing America,

there's none of that if we are stuck in the quicksand again.

Any reminder, this is well-branded, correct me on this, please.

I think this is important, I want to know, in the last election, did you vote for Trump?

I voted for Trump three times, in fact, in 2015, I was one of the key organizers of the

scholars and writers for Trump, along with Michael Anton and some of the other Claremont

guys.

I am an OG Trump voter, and it's very funny, because a lot of the people coming at me

right now are people who wrote that national review suicide letter about the case

against Trump and Glenn Beck and all these people, it's like, dude, where were you guys

in 2015?

Because I lost my career.

The reason I want to bring that out, the reason I want to listen is to hear that, because

I knew that you did, I had a sense you did, I don't know if I've asked you the question,

but I knew you did.

I'm like an OG Trump guy, I was taken fire from everybody in 2015.

Well, here's the thing, the one thing about you discovered, which is refreshing in many

ways, you don't follow an ideological thread specifically, you don't follow the candidate

right over the cliff.

It doesn't matter who the candidate is.

Yes.

The movement was to make America great again, and that is what I believe, and that is what

I love, and it's very painful, it's very painful for me to see that the Trump administration

devolved into what it has.

So let me ask you this question now.

If complaints are that President Trump and spending far too much time on foreign conflicts

and not sufficient time on the U.S. economy, that's one of the biggest complaints.

That's one of the biggest complaints, but let's get specific, one of the loudest proponents

of Western hemispheric defense, I was fine with the, I mean, some of the parts of the

Venezuela thing, I think are a little fantastical.

But the actual raid on Maduro, totally fine, I am fine with helping to collapse the Cuban

regime, as long as we have something that can go after, but going beyond the Western

hemisphere and not focusing on golden dome, which is we're not, this is a waste, and

what it's doing is it's empowering China, and contrary to what everybody in the right-wing

media is saying, China is feeling a pinch, yeah, but they get 14 to 16% of their oil

from Iran that's not going to kill them, they're just transferring over to Russian pipelines

now.

This idea that well, it's going, it's going after China, maybe that is the play, but it's

not going to work out the way they think.

All right, let's do this now, with everything you said, let's keep that right here, art,

let me bring it in on top of what Brandon's saying, because we're, we're, we are somewhere

right now that a lot of Americans, the division in our country, what I like about, and I

knew I was going to love this conversation, but it also art is reflective of our entire network.

We are probably divided right in the middle, I would say.

There's a good swath of our expert team who would side great with what Brandon is saying,

and there's a good swath of our expert team who would probably side with Major Fred Galvan

although he hasn't rebuked a lot of that yet, but I believe he will, and that would really

side with that.

So we're, we're a reflection of our nation, really, the division in our nation, here is what

I want to ask you.

You know, we're Brandon is right now talking about a lot of a lot of people, America first

feel like Trump has been too far into foreign conflicts and not spend that enough time here

at home.

The midterm election, the Democrats often play Houdini with elections very, very nicely,

whether it's legal or illegal, but, but they do.

They steal elections, they do that very, very well, and Republicans are very good at

pulling defeat out of the, out of the joys of victory.

They do that really, really well, they're, they're famous for it.

What worries a lot of Republicans right now are, is that we're at that crucial moment

again, where the Republicans are going to blow it.

With the crucial midterm election, the Sterinus in the face right this moment, was this the

time for a Middle East conflict, yes or no, what do you think?

Yeah, I think it's one of those things where, um, due politics doesn't follow the electoral

schedule, uh, and the ultimate fallout of all of this is yet to be seen.

And, you know, it's one of those things where I talk to a lot of Republicans and, you

know, they're very concerned.

They were very, the day after the, uh, the election, they were very concerned about, uh,

the House of Representatives, because of course, once you win the presidency, you're going

to lose that and you're going to lose the governorship of Virginia and all of those

other things.

Well, if they're out of office, though, in the mid, in the 26th of Congress flips and

they're out of office, it does, it does matter art.

It does matter, right?

Oh, it, it plainly will matter and it's going to have, you know, huge impacts on the,

uh, President Trump's ability to govern for his last two years.

He'll be a lame duck with a Congress that is constantly against him.

And, you know, it's interesting because, you know, I hear the complaints of Republicans,

no, offense to Brandon or anybody else, but, you know, it reminds me of what we say in

Maryland, uh, the poor sailor always says that the wind is against him.

And one of the things that we see in politics is that there's a tendency to overreach

when you think you have.

The wind isn't against us, Arthur.

The president chose to go into war.

The president made a stupid choice.

That's what happened.

No, no, no, I'm not talking about that part.

I'm talking about, you know, Republicans, so we seem to, you know, step on it and Democrats

always seem to, uh, gain the advantage.

But, you know, this is, uh, one of those things where, uh, when we look at what the president

said he was going to do, what he has done, many of people's, uh, sentiments are driven

by day-to-day events, uh, one of the things that, that I do in my studies is I end up going

back to the past to see what was happening at the time crucial votes happen.

And we sort of muddle all of this up, uh, in our minds, you know, we, we separate these

things out that each one is individual.

I have no idea how people are going to be voting on the first Tuesday in November.

I have no idea what their interests and concerns are going to be.

Um, I do, I do, I do.

If gas is a $353.84 a gallon, uh, if we're still in the Middle East war, I can tell you

how they're going to vote on.

Welcome.

They're talking about $5 to $6.

Whatever it is.

I can tell you how they're going to vote on.

What would happen then?

Yeah.

I mean, if the, you know, if the price of oil spikes, if we are bogged down in, uh, yet

another forever war, it's going to have an impact.

But, you know, if these operations end quickly, uh, and we get on with it quickly, do you think

aren't it?

It's an excellent question.

I would definitely defer to, uh, I want to ask him about it.

I don't doubt it or that one, but, uh, you know, you know, these things seem to, uh,

you know, have a pattern of their own Donald Trump has a way that he, you know, goes through

operations that they end and, you know, he can, you know, claim whatever he wants at the

end of it.

And then it's a, uh, opponents are going to say that's not true.

So, you know, again, what's going on in the Persian Gulf and the straight of war moves

is probably the biggest concern that we have right now.

And if we can degrade Iran's ability to, uh, harm its neighbors, to threaten its neighbors,

if ideally there was, you know, some sort of regime change there, keep in mind Malcolm

and this is an important point.

I think most people overlook, you know, it seems to be that Masad had a lot of people who,

uh, had, uh, burrowed themselves into the Iranian government.

If Masad had people who had burrowed themselves into the level of the supreme leader, uh, the

late Ali, uh, uh, comedy, you know, what it has to believe that, uh, Israel also has individuals

who are in the regular Iranian army who are ready to present that, uh, that the, you know,

the alternative to what they have right now.

Now, now again, perhaps this is polyannish, but that seems to be the one point part of

this that people overlook, you know, we accept that they knew exactly when all these people

were going to meet and that there were all these people who were in Masad or who were

in Masad assets, and yet we never think about what that means for the rest of the Iranian

government.

This is a threat that we were going to have to face at some point, you know, that's the,

that's the point.

Right.

Look, stay right there.

All right.

Hold on.

Brandon, what art just says that was the threat we were going to have to face it.

That's why we were.

Do you believe that?

Do you believe that?

Yes or no?

Yeah.

The book on the Iranian regime, the whole point of the book, though, the conclusion was

the Abraham Accords were the off ramp.

And when I spoke with Avi and Jared in 2018, before they got this initiative going, the

whole pitch was we're finding a third way.

We're not going to go to war with Iran.

We're not going to worry about getting deals with Iran.

We're just going to empower the Sunni Arabs and the Israel Israelis to allow for us to step

back.

Now those are shredded.

It's gone.

And here we are at war.

All right.

Major Fred Galvin, two questions for you.

The first is, can we get out of there quickly?

Yes or no?

Just be specific, please.

And in your professional military experience, and how long are we there, please?

And your opinion.

Good questions.

I don't think we're going to get out quickly, but I don't believe in this time.

And we'll tell that we as an America will have boots on the ground.

So, and I know none of us have this access to special access program classified information,

but people do.

And let's just also consider the reason that Secretary Hague Seth kicked all the media

out of the Pentagon is because whenever there was, you named the level of classification

top secret, SCI, it was always being leaked.

We don't have people saying there is no evidence of weapons, grade, uranium.

And I'm not trying to do a tenfoil hat, but the probability, and I know Tulsi Gappers,

you know, tighten in that sense if people do leak information.

But if people had information contrary that Iran wasn't any type of threat at all, it

wasn't imminent, that would probably be leaked.

Then I say probably because that is conjecture.

I don't know for sure, but one thing I do know is Donald Trump does very well aware.

I mean, when you look at how he rose from the ashes and was behind in the polls, he is

very well aware.

He has people consulting him about November.

He has publicly stated that, but I go back again as far as how long I think we will be

there as long as it takes to make sure there is safe transit through the Straits of

Hormuz, and that will get going.

But I don't believe there is a good reason for American boots.

Now whether that's Kurdish or some other combination, who knows that?

Well, he's looking for regime change right now is what they're looking for.

So that's right now, Trump in the last 24, 48 hours has said, we're going to hit them

harder right now.

We're going in for the kill.

So that's what they're doing right now.

Now if they get the kill, if let me say this, if there is a successful at killing this

final aspect of quasi quasi might fingers are up regime, which is borrowed pretty, pretty

big in there, you know, there was a lot of success with taking some of the top killers

from the, from the radical lie told us regime out of there, the way that was hit was a

brain strategy.

You almost want to ask somebody, would you do this again if you could take the itola

and those top 40 somewhat out?

Is that a good payoff major, yes or no?

Some some recent developments, yes, I do believe because and just allow me a second now

that the Ford has passed through into the Red Sea.

I think those the cycle of operations, there's going to be even more attacks on the critical

infrastructure and what Iran can do to bring to bear.

And I think that's showing that we want to have those strategic assets neutralized, especially

their navy.

You've seen all this assets that Russia and China have sold them as far as their supersonic

anti ship missiles and their air defense radars.

That has done them no good at all.

Is their goal to make to make Teyran and and and part of the round look like Gaza?

Look like Gaza could mean a lot of things.

Well, it looks like hell, I mean, I was who said yes, who said that?

I did.

Okay.

It's clearly what's going on.

And by the way, we're not doing the bulk of the bombings in Teyran, it's the Israelis

that are doing it.

We're helping them with intelligence and targeting and whatnot.

But I thought that was an interesting story that came out yesterday that a lot of what's

going on over the skies of Teyran is, I mean, we're there, but but it's really the

Israelis.

Brandon, if I could have said to you several weeks, I didn't mean to cut your off,

right?

But Brandon, if I could have said to you several weeks ago that we could have got in there

and we could have taken the Artola and 40, whatever the number is, 45, 49, there's

okay, you know, of those top lieutenants, they're surrounded in the Artola, they could

have taken them out in a full swap.

Would that have been a good payoff?

I think that the president should tomorrow declare victory because he did get the

Artola.

He did degrade the regime.

There are things that he has done that we can positively say, okay, but this whole obsession

with regime change and with unconditional surrender, I mean, this is the stuff of Mania.

This is like Mad King level.

We all hold on that.

The Iranians are not, listen, the Iranian regime is hardened.

They are not going to surrender.

They have no problem dying for their cause.

These are not Venezuelans we're dealing with with all due respect to my friends in Venezuela.

These guys are fanatics and they're ready to die for their God.

And we do not know, we do not seem to understand the president, it was not properly briefed

on this.

They do not seem to understand, and this is an epic intelligence failure in this aspect.

We do not understand the intentions of the Iranian regime.

They have no problem dying.

This is not the problem.

You're looking for something as quick and handy as Operation Midnight Hammer was basically.

No, I wasn't looking for any of this because I knew you can't replicate Operation Midnight

Hammer in Iran.

You just can't do it.

And so you can, you know, we take the blade and go home right now, you'd be, you'd feel

better about it.

I'd feel better about it because it gets us out.

Here's what I'm hearing.

And I would love to hear, I don't know if I can call you Fred, I'd love to hear, I'd

love to hear your take on this because I know you've got, you've got experience with

special forces.

But I am hearing that there are not only CIA paramilitaries embedded with the Kurds,

but that we are now moving to have special forces link up with the MEK fighters on the

ground in Iran to replicate what we did in Afghanistan in 2001 with the Northern Alliance.

And I believe, if that is true, I believe that that is going to be mission fail because

the MEK fighters are nowhere near as operationally proficient as the Northern Alliance was at

their peak in 01 and certainly the Kurds are not going to go all the way into Iran.

They're going to attack that little Kurdish part of Iran and the Iranian Kurds hate the

Iraqi Kurds.

This is like something that's also not widely talked about.

So I would love to hear from Fred, if you heard any of this, we'll do that right after

the pause here.

Hold up there, Brandon.

We'll do that in a moment here, major stay right, but stand by here, everybody here.

So this conversation you're hearing right now is very much where our country sits.

That's what it is.

That's why it's a really cool conversation.

There's you're getting all sides of this dialogue and the debate.

And then there's the big thing I want Art to talk about in moments here, and that is that

the national security, the real national security threats that are linked to the crisis at

that border, that Center for Immigration Studies and Art and Marco Goring and the group

there have followed to a T. He just had an interest in conversation.

He just had with Mark Morgan, the former FBI agent, and served as the U.S. Border Patrol,

which is very fascinating, I heard.

And that's why I said, Art, I want to get him on the program here, talking about some

of that as well.

But you know, you look at a lot of this stuff out there and it's fascinating as hell right

now, which is happening.

I guess the question we have to ask ourselves, friends, is can Trump do what Brandon is saying

and keep this to a minimal and get out of there?

Now we know he doesn't want to stay there.

He's expressed he doesn't want to stay there too long.

If you see, when he puts verbose statements out there like, we want you to come crawling

on your knees and we want you to surrender and so on and so forth, that pisses people

like Brandon off and others in the party and say, we don't like that kind of thing.

But that's what Trump sort of does.

He throws a lot of that out there on the barbie, but it's just rhetoric and garbage for

the mass media to consume and for others to consume basically.

Does he really mean that?

I don't know that he does, friends.

I think that's a statement.

He throws out there to rev everybody up.

And quite frankly, I think if you watch some of the press conferences and others with

Trump and Hegs out, there's a little bit of cockiness there.

There's a little bit of cockiness there.

How many times are we going to remind the world and the American people that we have the

best military in the world?

Don't I mean, I'll say what China and Russia don't want to hear that crap.

I think that's kind of rubbing it in their face.

I wonder if that's a good strategy as well.

I'm not sure if it is.

I'm not sure that we have to keep reminding people of that.

Russia's better to be the element of surprise and not be rubbing it in their face.

I'm not sure.

I'm just saying.

I'm not sure.

Some of that, some of that grandstanding can come back to hit you on the backside.

I think he got to be careful where you go with that.

So anyways, we take a deep pause here.

A very, very interesting conversations here.

By the way, Politico had an interesting headline, all the president's mess.

I don't know if you read that, but I love those kinds of love to follow the leftist

media.

There's so much, so much information there to use for these programs.

It's perfect.

So the question is, is it regime change?

Is it nation built in?

Is it American democracy?

These are the pitfalls and the potholes we have run into previously with previous administrations.

We kind of got PTSD at this point.

A lot of Americans have PTSD, so Brandon would be a good swath of a lot of the American

people.

He's perfect for this conversation because he is MAGA.

He is supportive of the president's agenda.

So you see what I mean, friends?

So it's better than some of you who put blindfolds on and walk right over the cliff, sleepwalk

in and say, what the hell happened, Marge?

I don't know.

I mean, you know, at least you kind of question when he used to be questioned.

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I think we need to have that on all sides of that debate here.

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It is a deep, melcom out loud here and privileged to be with you always, my fellow Americans

and I love to have my friends on the program.

Love to have these great conversations here.

We're doing it with Brandon Wiker this year, geopolitical analyst, Andrew Arthur, just

resident fellow law and policy of the Center for Immigration Studies, former immigration

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Fred Galfan, 27 year veteran of Marine Corps and just a really marvelous guy.

You know, I've got to know each of these.

That's what I love about this program.

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It's great to work and play with such incredible people.

It's the blessing of a lifetime.

It's the blessing of America out loud to be sure friends.

I'll tell you that.

Bar none.

We're having a healthy conversation of what divides our nation right now and really divides

a lot of our network, but you know our people on our network are so respectful.

They are incredibly respectful to have these great conversations.

I'm very serious.

It's amazing.

Sometimes you tune into the program and on the network and you hear some of the great

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It's amazing, though, to listen into that fascinating art.

I want to come back to you.

First, please.

I want to go here before we get to major Fred and answer some of their stuff that Brandon

was throwing out there.

I want to ask you this, please.

One of the things, one of the shoes to drop and one of the caveats of this whole juncture

here.

Again, I want to keep it up at 30,000 feet, but I've spoke to many terrorism experts, people

who really feel the risk is real at home here.

We seem to so far, and I don't know how this is art.

I'm really scratching my head here today, and that we continue to play the Houdini act

here.

It's reckless as our nation was, the previous administration, with those four years, which

everybody on this broadcast here is perturbed, and everybody listening is by what transpired

there.

How we continue to play that Houdini act?

I don't know if it's just potlock, or the time it isn't right, or the sleep of cells,

and one off lone wolves carry us somewhere else.

I don't know.

We just over speak in the moment, and nothing's really going to happen.

Then I asked the question earlier to major Fred, does that provoke or make the time of

the Middle East thing a problem for us?

It could, he said, he's right.

It could.

Bring us to a capsule of how that is right now, art, and how dangerous that is or not with

our country.

We have the national security threats.

Well, yeah, it's an interesting question, Malcolm, because we, as I mentioned before, history

sort of passes before us in real time.

We could very caught up in the moment that we move on to the next thing, and we failed

to take a look at that stream that has already passed us by one of the jobs that I held

before.

I was head of the National Security Law Division at the Immigration and Naturalization

Service, and I played a role in the arrest of an individual named Ahmed Risham.

Mr. Risham was the millennium bomber who's going to blow up Los Angeles International

Airport on the millennium.

We didn't know that at the time.

So consequently, I got involved in the decision to detain this individual.

Let's Mr. Risham was in custody.

One of the things that we found out was that a lot of things that had happened previously,

the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Doris Alam, the attack on the coal, the

first World Trade Center attack, these things that we thought were one-off things were actually

tied to an organization, I think Fred alluded to earlier, Al Qaeda.

We see many things that have happened in the United States.

In fact, every day when I'm in DC and I go to my office, I have to go through the Farragut

Square Metro.

And I pass a memorial that was set up to two National Guardsmen who were shot just a couple

of months ago right in front of that by an individual who had been brought to the United

States from Afghanistan, and that's not the only individual.

There was a plot in Oklahoma City to attack voters on Election Day in 2024.

We know that all of these things happen in real time.

We just don't put them into a larger sphere, and I think it was either Brandon or Fred

that talked about the radicalization of individuals in the United States.

When I spoke to Mark Morgan, former Board of Patrol chief, former acting director of both

ICE and CBP, former FBI lead in Iraq, we talked a lot about those threats, the threats

that the Biden administration exposed us to, when I was on Capitol Hill the first time

after I'd left the INS out of fear that there was going to be a terrorist attack and

unfortunately, I was correct.

I worked with the 9-11 Commission to help them in their work, and we beefed up legal immigration

to the United States.

We recognized that there was a danger.

We recognized that we had to do a better job of screening people before they came here,

because of course, all 19 of the 9-11 hijackers had entered the United States legally on non-immigrant

feces.

So what are the cases right now?

We got a lot to cover the nest, so bring it up.

Yeah, this is going to be the point that I wrap up.

In the four years of the Biden administration, the administration forgot all of the lessons

that we had learned on September 11th.

We weren't so much focused on legal immigration.

We have lockdown.

It was the front door of the United States that we had left open to all of those people

who came in.

And again, this is going to be an issue we deal with for at least a decade before it's resolved.

So do you think something, do you think we skate by this thing, or do you think we get

off with it, or the chance is very high?

And what would that do right now, Art?

That would be, I don't even know how to describe it if something took place like that.

Yeah, it's curious, because I can remember September 11th.

I can remember the unity of that day and the years that followed that.

I'm not sure that in the United States today, there wouldn't be a large cloud of people

who would say, well, yeah, you had a comment to you.

You got involved in the Middle East.

You should have known this was going to happen.

I hope that you had that question.

That's why I asked it, because that is a catalyst that could put us in deep trouble, Art.

You know?

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, I'm very concerned about that, one, we've got very good intelligence apparatus

in the United States.

You know, fortunately, thank God.

Yeah.

But if something does happen, I'm just not 100% sure that we're going to see all the members

of Congress standing on the front steps of the Capitol, singing God bless.

Well, that's a great point.

Yeah, I mean, a lot of times these things do unite to the nation in some very interesting

ways, but it's hard to say whether that would happen now or not, Art.

I don't know, because the division, the radical left is in control of the Democrat Party.

I mean, really extreme radical.

And so I'm not sure that would happen.

I know.

It's hard to say that the country's changing.

It's changing in ways that we can't even describe right now.

Major Fred Galvin, Brendan had asked some interesting things by pride of the pause there.

And let's get to the real threats for time.

I want to keep this really moving fast and high levels here.

So what, the real threats and back to, and even with the Kurds in the Middle East and

this whole regime change, is this all just a pipe dream or is there, can any of that be

pulled off in the short term?

It's not going to be pulled off in the short term.

And one thing I do know military professionals and they're doing this in the Pentagon, they've

been doing this for a while, is they war game and they're looking at all the what ifs

and the second and third order effects and you can't, like, combat is a verb.

It's not a noun.

You can't easily predict what the enemy is going to do to that exact degree.

But, and I'm not going to go back to my high school, Latin class where father Kelly taught

us the Scala campaign, but one thing that I believe that we could likely see is just

like Caesar did in Alicia is we can starve out just by making sure that straights war

moves is open and we do that through offensive air operations.

And the question was asked earlier, Brandon, I believe was discussing that whether it's

the CIA or ground branch, CIA's ground branch or American special operations.

I think when we look at those going in with the Kurds, there was part of me that saying,

I think we were probably going to have American boots on the ground.

Well, I don't think we're going to have them, you're saying?

Well, in my opinion, if the Pentagon and the intelligence community were straight,

we're making a smart decision is the CIA's ground branch along with intel communities

in Israel.

They can have deniability if it's civilian organizations versus military, they can say

we don't have boots on the ground and it has a Kurdish face.

And those get, but well, the fact is you have almost a million people on the Iranian payroll

still that are in their active and reserved.

So that's going to take right now.

Well, boots go on the ground.

That's going to probably be a game changer and a rule breaker, Trump will lose a lot of

support.

That's why exactly, as I was mentioning earlier, look at his two campaigns where he won.

He follows the polls.

I think there is going to be a Kurdish face.

So there's a deniability that there's any American boots on the ground.

And I think that our goal is to keep that straight, open, oil flowing, reduce the price,

try to get inflation back down.

That's the nerve on it.

But now Trump's got to do a Houdini act though, Major, he's got to, he's got to get back

to the economy, back to Brandon.

Let's get branded in here.

100%.

Yeah.

He's got to get back to the economy.

He's got to get back to test.

Right.

He's got to, but he's got to get back to even the economy as a whole, people's paychecks

and housing and all these already said that.

He didn't care about the gas prices that it's going to come down naturally.

I don't think that's possible if the war is continuing.

He said previously that he's not concerned about affordability.

Well, I'm a millennial and a lot of my peers are very concerned about affordability.

I'm one of the few millennials who actually owns his own home.

Most of my friends do not and they're not going to, so these are things that the president

should be focused on.

He could take his toys and go, you said a little while ago.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I know where you're going with that.

I don't mean to cut you off, but I'm sort of like doing like a million thing calculations

here.

But the bottom line is, it looks like there's a chance.

There's a chance.

The president sort of does a reverse uno and says, I'm going to do one big final show with

the carrier coming in the George HW Bush and we're going to do this big final act of

air war and then we're going to pull out regardless of facts on the ground.

I will take that and he can make fun of me and Tucker for eternity.

I am happy as long as we're out of the quagmire, but I don't think that's how it's going

to play out because it's the Middle East and the enemy gets a vote and the enemy is very

wily in this case.

What the Iranians are doing is they are directing their eye or specifically, not even at Israel

person.

I mean, they're certainly, I mean, Tel Avivis is very damaged right now, but what they're

focusing on are the Arab states and they're going after refineries, they're going after

the tourism industry by shutting down the airports and they're going after desalination

plants.

Okay.

This is a very interesting play by them.

It's to break the Arabs away from the US and Israelis and I think in some cases it's

going to work.

Well, I'll tell you what, right, in some cases, I agree with you, it will work and you

know, your point of taking your cards and go home and I'm going to tell you that that

is a very likely scenario and real fast, I want to get a quick, quick response from you

major and art as well.

I think that Trump does not want to be at a losing end of anything.

Brandon's point, he represents a good swath as a Trump supporter and Maga, we're a good

part of the party is right now.

I've got to be real with you all that are not happy with this situation.

If Trump can claim, like he said, Brandon said, claim victory, take your cards, your

choice, get the hell out of there and be done because you're talking middle east to

be two dirty words for Americans because we've bamboozled that thing for every administration

and the history of our lifetime.

Major, can he take his toys and go home because I'm going to suggest to you he can.

Tell me I'm wrong.

I agree with you.

He can.

I think there will be air dominance and the air campaign will continue, but he's going

to likely in the best scenario, say, we've achieved our terms.

We are not going to have boots on the ground, but he's going to do what Brandon said.

He's going to claim victory.

Right.

He's going to do it.

I think so.

Yeah, he's killed.

He killed all the Los Angeles.

He's going to claim victory.

Why wouldn't he?

He's mentioned that in the state of the union in other places that we have to focus

on the midterms.

He's not going to hang there.

I think Brennan's first comment on that.

I think it's right.

I think I think we're overthinking.

He's just not.

That's not his style.

Art.

Speak about it, please.

Get real quick.

Is he going to do what we're suggesting here or is this a long term thing?

Nope.

That's exactly what he's going to do.

He's going to say we degraded their ability to threaten their neighbors.

We've degraded their ability to threaten Israel.

We now leave it to the Iranians to overthrow the regime, build their future, and hopefully

that'll lead to.

Israel wants to keep bombing them because they want regime good, good habit.

You can have your cake and do what the hell you want to do out there, I think.

That might be the strategy at the end of it.

And Brennan, so we all came around to your thinking on the, on the ticket you go and

go home by the way, my friend, wink, wink on elbow and you're right now.

What do you say?

I hope that's what happens, but then we do have to prepare for the inevitable terrorism

wave that will come.

The Iranians have the largest consulate for their government is in Mexico City, and that

is precisely because they're coordinating large numbers of their terrorist groups here

in the United States.

Well, that's another conversation for another day, and I would say to you that, and I'm

sure art would say we can, we can be ready for some of that.

And frankly, America continues to learn lessons.

I mean, listen, we're 250 years into this American experiment.

We're just like a little, we're, think of as like a teenager with, with acne problems.

That's what America is in the grand scheme of the world.

So we're, but we're, we're a vibrant little teenager, got a little acne going on, that

kind of thing here.

We're learning lessons, just coming through puberty a little bit here, but we're, sometimes

we're a little too over aggressive, a little zealous, a little this, a little that.

But our hearts in the right place, and damn well, we're going to win America first for

sure, friends.

Wow.

Big thank you here.

Thank you.

Well, indeed, to Brandon Wiker, I'd love to get Brandon on here and just serve the pot.

He loves to do it.

It's good stuff.

Andrew author, one of my, one of my favorite guys here, and just always terrific to have

you.

Major Fred Galvin, who I've gotten to know a lot and great respect for.

This is a great panel discussion, by the way, here.

And I wish we had another couple of hours, but we are right out of time here.

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