Remembering Charlie Kirk: One Year Later - Sept 10 Hr 1

0:00This is the Joe Pag Show to talk to Joe called 888-941 Pags. And now it's Joe Pags. Great radio stations across the land from San Antonio along with Sam and Polo. It is the Joe Pag Show. Glad to have you. Thanks. I'm going to stop and buy a very, very big show today. Lots of interviews for you. The first one is going to be with Charlie Kirk himself. Of course, this is from 2022. The last time I interviewed Charlie, his book, The College Scam, was just out. And we talked about things that I want to live as his legacy. Of course, his faith was his legacy or is his legacy. His family is his legacy. I'm still unbelievable to me that a 3031-year-old guy was killed because he had, was having conversations on college campuses. I still can't even fathom that.

1:01And we act like, or some people in this country act like, it's somehow a day to celebrate. They're celebrating the death of somebody who simply said things you disagreed with. Many people still say he was a racist, misogynist, he was an Islamophobic, all this stuff. He wasn't any of those things and he never said anything that would suggest he was. But it just, it bothers me to no end that people are saying, some people, it's a very small minority, but they're very loud, are saying these disgusting things about Charlie Kirk. He should be alive today. He should be out there talking to people today. He should be the dad to his kids and the husband to his wife. He should be out there talking about our value system in this country. But instead, he was silenced a year ago. Now, in many ways, his voice has become much louder, but I did want to bring this interview from 2022. It's going to be at the bottom of this hour with Charlie Kirk, where you get to hear his own voice, his own words about what's going on left versus right. Again, keep in mind it was before the last election. So there might be references to Biden or whatever else.

2:03But again, it goes to the value system that he was talking about. And I think that there is a generation or two of Americans that miss him a lot when it comes to just having a guide. So we've got him bottom of this hour. We also have Darren Kinder. Darren Kinder was a secret service agent for 25 years. He gives his insight into what happened a year ago. His insight into how America is changing. We talk a lot about the Charlie Kirk assassination. What steps should have been taken? What steps need to be taken now as people go and make public appearances in those who are public figures. It's a really good, informative conversation with a guy who did the job for 25 years of protecting important people. And then we'll have part two with Darren tomorrow because he was actually at 9.11, 25 years ago. He was at the South Tower in Lower Manhattan, 25 years ago. So make sure you stick around for that. And then we've got a friend of Charlie Kirk who wrote a book that's basically just a guide. It's a guide as to what Charlie, what his positions were on different very, very high topics.

3:07Her name is Christie Edwards Lawson or Lawton, I should say. And I mean, literally in her book in his own words, it just organizes his public statements on things, organizes his public stances on things. And there are a lot of people that can't just go and see him at a college campus anymore obviously. And then go watch the old videos. But what an easy reference book to have that'll just tell you, okay, here's her, here's where he was on abortion. Here's where he was on left versus right. Here's where he was on taxation. Here's where he was on Iran on Israel. So on. So really informative information there or a conversation there with Christie. And hour number three, tomorrow we've got a big show for you. We're to make sure that we bring you as much coverage as we can on the quarter century anniversary of the devastating, disgusting attacks on us on the United States and our value system 25 years ago. We'll get into that in earnest as we go. And remembrance of Charlie Kirk, some schools, some states are calling it Charlie Kirk

4:10Day. Some states run by idiots are trying to stop that from happening. And by the way, if you still think Charlie Kirk was a racist or a misogynist or a Islam a phob or fill in the blank, feel free to call. I'll have that discussion with you, much like he would have. But if you think that you have never watched any of his speeches and context, you've never seen his actual debates in context and you're making an assumption because of something somebody told you, which is really pretty sad. So 8-8-9-4-1-pags, 8-8-9-4-1-7-247, jopags.com. I've told this story many times before and I'll continue telling it because it was just so unexpected. Like I got up today and there was a car issue where there's a gate doesn't work or something. I mean, there's always something unexpected that happens during the day. I get it. But I was leaving the gym and generally speaking, if you follow me on social media, you'll see me sitting in my car a lot of times doing a quick video. And I was sitting in the car in the parking lot of man at fitness and I got a text from

5:17a guy who actually is a reporter on Fox and he said, Charlie Kurtz shot Utah Valley University segment. Come on. I was like, you know, just because again, just a couple of months earlier, Sam and I were in Dallas or great fine Texas where they had this TPUSA get together. He was there. We were texting back and forth. We didn't get to connect and sit down. I wish that we would have. But it was a great event and he and I were talking about doing something very soon. I just joined my long form podcast. I'm shaking it on a parade with Joe Pags. I just joined the Salem podcast network with that and Charlie, of course, is the big star with Salem at the time of his passing. So we had a great relationship. So I mean, the guy's young. I'm thinking, okay, he was shot. But in the shoulder and the leg, did it really happen? Was it just a strange noise? Is it what he thought that it was a shot? And then you see the video, like a minute after it happened, that video is everywhere of him getting shot in the neck.

6:18And if you if you watch it, you're thinking to yourself, that isn't just an injury. That's a problem. And then another talk show, I don't want to call him out because he was wrong and I think he was wishful thinking at the time. But another talk show host, National Guy, put out on social media that Charlie Kirk is in the hospital in stable condition. Am I going, okay, that's really good news. Texting Charlie immediately when I heard that it happened. Hey, man, praying for you. You got this. We need you. Let me know what you need from me. Of course, I never got a response. And then it became all too real a few hours later as I was interviewing Ben Carson, Dr. Carson, we found out at that moment that he had in fact died. And we're going, man, what world are we living in? How is that even possible? How is that possible? About a year and a couple of months earlier, of course, President Trump, then candidate

7:20Trump, then former President Trump was shot in the ear, given a speech in Pennsylvania. Some guy on the roof of a building way too close with a rifle. This one, Charlie Kirk's giving a speech, and it's the perfect setting for a bad guy to do a bad thing. You've got buildings that are too high that have too much great line of sight. You've got him in a bowl basically. He was lower than ground level in this tent. And somebody decided this would be a good time to kill him. Which didn't really let that happen. I wasn't alive in 1963. So I don't know. I don't have a visceral feeling from what happened to JFK. I was alive for MLK and RFK, but too young. It was two years old. Too young to really have him said, oh man, I can believe that day. I remember it vividly. I don't.

8:21We learned about that. We're like, man, that sucks. I certainly wasn't around for Abraham Lincoln. Some of you think I was, but I wasn't. And you're going, man, that sucks. Somebody shot him in the head while he's watching a play at Ford's theater. I'm going, yeah, that sucks. That's horrible. That's ancient history. It's really. Abraham Lincoln. That's 100 years before I was born. Kennedy before I was born. Okay. MLK, RFK. Yeah. You know, it sucks. But, you know, that kind of thing doesn't happen in America anymore. And in 2025, somebody tried to kill the former president, now president. Somebody did kill Charlie Kirk. And we aren't in what I would have expected to happen during Lincoln and during Kennedy and MLK and the other Kennedy, where the nation was like in mourning and disbelief, couldn't believe it. You had a very loud and loud minority of people in this country celebrating, buying the white freedom shirt and putting ketchup on it or something that looked like blood and

9:24dancing around and laughing. It's like, what do we become? How is that possible? And that's, there still continues. Some of these idiots are calling it, Kirk aversory or something. And some of them are still putting on their, their stupid masks and jumping around and echoing, like they got shot in the neck. This was a human being with a really solid value system that was making headway in discussing important issues with the youth of America and around the globe. I mean, he just been to Oxford, recently in England and he was debating those pinheads. And then he went to Japan and front tons of people who were there just to hear him speak about a value system that meant freedom and liberty and faith and family. It was just a good guy. And the celebration is as if they think Hitler was killed last year. If you take a minute to listen to what Charlie said and watch what he said, you would know

10:28that he wasn't any of the things are calling him. But even if you were, let's for a second, just go down that rabbit hole. Okay, let's say he was the guy you say he was. You get to kill him? Will you get to celebrate his death? I mean, there are lefties out there that are so disgusting makes my stomach turn. I don't wish them assassinated while giving a speech on a college campus because that would be disgusting. That would be beneath me. That would be evil. That would be against my values. So do you have no values at all that you think it was good that Charlie Kirk was killed? I get it. He held President Trump when I get it. I get it. He didn't want men and women's locker rooms. I get it. I get it. He didn't want DEI because he wanted to know the people that were getting the jobs actually be qualified for the jobs and not just be a race or ethnicity or gender. I get it. You mad at all of that.

11:29Probably don't know why you are, but you mad at all of that. You wanted to die? Because he didn't shut him up. I mean, I can be if the argument that Charlie Kirk for the past year has been more popular than he ever was ever. And his message is going to continue. Unfortunately, there appears to be a battle for who continues to carry the torch, but at the same time, what he had to say is all available in vivid video. So you can break down what he said. And if you got an argument with it, figure out why because what he said is not what you think he said. There are people saying, so glad that racist is dead. What made him racist? Say you said black people can't be pilots. You didn't say that. He also said his call a few school shootings is cool. Few deaths is cool as long as you keep the second amendment. Oh, I guess you lived by the gun. You die by the gun. Nope. That's not what he said. Go watch it in context. So here we are reeling a year later. Had Charlie Kirk still been around. I think that the midterm to be a lot, a lot healthier for the conservatives.

12:32They still might end up winning. We might end up winning, but it would be healthier because he was a lot more than that. He would be talking the good talk invigorating young people to go and vote. This is why they needed him gone because the left doesn't have the power. They needed the power back. Well, this guy Robinson did it. If he was a Patsy, if he wasn't involved in it, somebody decided to take him out. And I don't think it's because they had a furry boyfriend at home. I'm just here to tell you the left is very happy. He's out of the way. 8941 Pags, 888941, 7247, Joe Pags.com. I want your thoughts on this first anniversary. And again, the void, the vacuum, the space that's left, the black hole that's left after Charlie Kirk's assassination has not been filled yet. We've got a lot of different voices on the right. I am one of them, but I'm not young as you know, I'm 30 years older than Charlie was. I'm not young to work college students say, let me go listen to that guy. I go watch that guy learn from that guy. He's not young, but there are people younger than I who need to step up and need to galvanize

13:37and he to work together and stop fighting for this position. They're they're jockeying for position, which is hurting the value movement that Charlie was ahead of. Have faith. Get married. Have kids. He pushed family values better than anybody of his age range just about ever. And I still I still mourn his death. We will have his own words as it was my last interview with him from 2022 that I'll play at the bottom of the air. Don't miss a second of that. Meantime going to tell you about lean by brick house. It's a great supplement devised by doctors and researchers. They said, you know, the GLP ones are showing dramatic dramatic weight loss and a lot of people. You see the GLP one facelosemic face, right? Well, they said, can we do this without a shot? This is before the the pills came out. Can we do this without the pills? Can we do this without a doctor's visit? Can we do this without them having to wait the pharmacy and can we control their blood sugar which is big time helpful when it comes to losing weight? Can we help them to control their appetite and cravings? Can we help them to converge fat into energy and use it and burn it and get rid of it?

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15:44scam going get that. It's hard to wrap your brain around what happened a year ago but some of you are so feeble minded and most of you listening or watching this program aren't but some of you do sneak in and listen and you're very liberal and you just hate what I say. You're very feeble minded. There's something wrong with you. If you're celebrating the death of a 31 year old father and husband who dared go out there and talk about his value system and have a really good wealth of knowledge to be able to debate and push back on people who are lying, then you're a sick person. You're going to go straight to hell. And if you don't believe that, you're even sicker than you thought that I thought you were. You should realize that's what's in store for you if that's who you are walking around. Charlie Kirk was honored, remembered at Utah Valley University one year after his death. This is from news nation, Brian Enten who we've had on the program. It's been one year since conservative political activist Charlie Kirk was killed while speaking at a campus event and the organization he co-founded has grown dramatically. Turning point USA now headed by Kirk's widow is becoming a driving force for the GOP

16:46and American politics having expanded on high school and college campuses across the country. Kirk's conservative message has resonated with a younger generation. Kirk will be memorialized tonight at Republican midterm convention in Dallas with the vice president expected to pay tribute to the 31 year old father of two. At Utah Valley University, where Kirk was shot and killed while speaking to a crowd, there's a somber mood. The campus is closed today because of the one year mark with all the campus facilities locked down, but people are still coming out to honor Kirk. Most people were sitting quietly praying at the site where Kirk was standing when he was killed. He was actually sitting. People have been putting flowers down at the spot as well. Security is tight with a lot of police and sheriff's deputies because it would happen a year ago. One person who was president of the event told news nation about the impact Kirk might have made on him. Quote, since Charlie Kirk, I decided to dedicate my life to men in recovery and helping them get off the streets, had a broken homes and trauma PTSD guys that have mental health issues. Elliott Thornton said, I've had opportunities to change lives and I think that's one of the things that Charlie did with me or for me.

17:48The situation was open, a whole new, the situation was open, up a whole new avenue of gratitude. I don't know what they wrote this incorrectly, grammatically, but obviously he touched lives and he changed people's perspectives. I think I do have a cute up something from JD Evans, but he had to say about it. Just hard to believe that he's been gone for a year. Charlie was obviously a very dear friend. I've kept in close contact and Usha has with Erica and with the kids. I always just first and foremost think of this as a human tragedy. You think about the kids, you think about as a young father myself, what memories will the kids have of Charlie? I think about selfishly the ways in which I wish he was around for my own selfish reasons. I think about, I just really wish I could call Charlie and get his advice on this. I really wish I could call Charlie and get his help on this. You slowly over time realize that first, you pick up the phone and you dial his number and then you hang out before he answers and the closer you get to this year mark, you

18:50realize he's just not there anymore. It's one of these things where I think everybody greaves differently and everybody responds to it differently. But the way that I constantly, almost obsessively come back to it is this was a guy who just had so much life to live. So many people loved him and so many people who were lied upon him, who depended upon him and were all in our own way. In some ways big and small obviously the biggest holes for Erica and the kids. But all of us I think have this whole that we're all trying to fill or all trying to at least find some way of making sure that we carry on in Charlie's absence. Governor Cox of Utah is calling it Charlie Kirk Day in Utah. Jane Forte declares September 10th Charlie Kirk Day in Montana and of course if you're in Arizona, your idiotic governor Katie Hobbs has vetoed a bill celebrating Charlie Kirk's life. Arizona do better. You can get Indie Biggs in there as your governor. You got to do better. That's disgusting, but Katie Hobbs is the disgusting person. Keep it here. My last interview with Charlie Kirk when we come back.

19:54This is the Joe Pag show. I'm still hard to believe that a year ago a young man in his prime was killed because he was telling the truth because he was opening people's minds and eyes to how great this country is, how radical one side is and what you can do to have a better future. Well my last interview with Charlie and I had him on the show six different times. Was in 2022 when he was promoting his book, The College scam. And this book is why he was out on these college campuses talking about listen, maybe it's necessary to have that certificate for some jobs who for most jobs college is not only not necessary, but it's a scam. We talked about that at length. We start out by talking about how we were both woodwind players and he's wanted to bring this to you because it really shows the essence of who this guy was as a man and why he was

20:55on this path to make sure the younger generation got the truth. Charlie, how are you? Good to see you. I'm great. You're a great American. Thanks so much for having me. You are great. Now listen, base clarinet, right? Am I right? That's right. Yeah. Very few people bring that up. Well, as a as a read guy, you know, base clarinet's harder than you might think and I played contra bass for a while as well. That's a lot of wind to get to get through a contra bass. That's for sure. I'm a saxophone player as you know and I played baritone sax once at a recording session studio B in Fort Lauderdale. I thought I was going to die. I had nowhere near the lung capacity. I'm a tenor in an alto guy. So that's it. I love that. I love that we have that. All right. Let's talk about this book. You've got a brand new book out called The College Scam. And Charlie, you and I both witnessed it with Obama suddenly no more vocational school. Suddenly, we don't need auto mechanics or plumbers or carpenters. Everybody has to go and get a degree. Everybody's going to go to college. And you're saying there was a real reason behind that for the left. That's right. I mean, I think it's a scheme and a plan. I think a lot of people are sympathetic to that argument now more than ever, especially

21:56what we've lived through the last couple of years. That the left has a plan and that we're all kind of living through it. And so, yeah, I mean, look, when it comes to colleges, I'm willing to say in this book what I think a lot of conservatives kind of dance around, which is that college is an outright scam. That look, if your kid wants to become a lawyer or a doctor or an engineer, fine. But be careful that they still might lose their values. But a vast majority of kids that go to college, Joe, they're not studying that. They're studying North African lesbian poetry or 13th century reconstructionist. I don't know. Interpretive dance theory or whatever you want to call it. And so it's from the actual structure of what they're getting when they go to college, it's a waste of time and a waste of money. Now mind you, if every school was like Hillsdale College, I would not have had to write this book. It would have been, well, college is too expensive. It's not just that it's too expensive. That's a major part of the book, by the way, of why it's too expensive and who's getting rich and the people on the board and the developers and the corrupt politicians.

22:59It's awful. But even if it was super expensive and maybe you were getting something in return, we could have a conversation about that. It's super expensive and you get garbage in return. And as a, and finally, I'll just say this for more political viewers and listeners, which is people are wondering why is the country I'm living in so profoundly different than the one I grew up in. And one of the arguments I make in the book is it's because you've sent our prized possessions of young people to these colleges. I blame colleges for a vast majority of the problems that we're dealing with right now. It's Charlie Kirk. You've seen him everywhere. He's got a great radio show as well. 45books.com is the website four five, the number four and the number five books.com. Go there and get the college scams. So they get us to go to college, forget the vocations. Now we've got you. We're going to teach about ESG. We've got to teach about the 1619 project. We're going to teach you why BIPOC is more important than white and why white is bad, why you should feel guilty. And then once you finish college, then they're going to advocate to get rid of the college loans that you owe to real.

24:01Is this to really solidify them on the left forever? Look, we gave you a free college and that's worth your vote, isn't it? And they're never going to do it. That's the most important thing. That forgiveness will be the carrot that they dangle for the next couple decades. Try to get people to keep voting for maybe incremental, right? Maybe $5,000 here, maybe $7,000 here. They're never going to do blanket student loan forgiveness. That would ruin their political power. They hold an entire generation hostage who they told them to go to college to study things that don't matter, to find jobs that don't exist, and to borrow money that don't have to do those things. And so I think it's a political strategy, but even deeper than that, this is where bad ideas get credibility. Pick any idea that you think is insane right now. Any idea. That can become pregnant or how about wearing two masks when you shower or any ideas such as borders don't matter. It all stems from the university. These ideas don't come out of nowhere. They're written about, they're thought about, and they're given credibility by professors

25:01and academics. And so I make the other argument in the book that this tributary of bad ideas, the starting point for that is the university. And so many conservatives are afraid to say this because they either sit on the board of the alma mater or they went to text saying, or they went to UT Austin and they had good memories there. That's fine. I'm not discounting any of that. But these universities have become complete opponents to Western civilization. Just read their websites. Everything they believe in that they're teaching here is against the fundamental values that made the West great. So we go after it rather enthusiastically in this book. I think everyone would benefit from reading it's students, adults, board members, donors, or just regular everyday citizens. It's really been a labor of about a decade, Joe. And I'll say this really quick, I'm probably the best and worst person to write this book because I didn't go to college. And so the best person, because I can say, oh, look what you could do without going to college. I'm the worst person because I actually didn't enroll in traditional four-year college.

26:03However, I have visited over 100 campuses. I run a campus organization. I'm pretty in touch with what's going on these universities and colleges. But I fully admit in the book that me not going to college gives me an argument that maybe you can make something yourself without having to get that piece of paper. So I think that people would benefit from it. It's also collegescam.com, which also redirects to the same website, 45books.com. He's the author of the college scam. He's a great talk show host. He's an activist for all things America first. And I love having you on. Charlie, it's interesting what you just said. Many people know this. Some might not. I'm a major saxophone performance and I was a voice minor in college. I went for two years then went to work. And I got five or six different jobs at once. I don't have a degree. And I don't need a degree because as you said, I'm a vast success. Way more than I ever could have imagined. 170 stations. I make a nice living. I've got a few cars, a couple of houses, whatever. So I can be the same example as you are. But you did it a different way in that it's so intelligent that you have now recruited the

27:04help of those who are in college. And you've got TPUSA branches in colleges. In fact, you're being denied. I'm activism on some of these college campuses, which actually is another feather in your cap. So I'm not against anybody who went to college. If you got a degree and you're using it, you're getting a great living out of it and supporting your family and you love America. God bless you. But it is not a requirement to be a success in this country. How do we reprogram young people to understand that your story in mind can be theirs? That's why I wrote the book the way I did. Through shock and awe, you got to be provocative. No longer like, well, it might not be a good idea. No, it's a scam. It's a cartel. You wouldn't have the Mexican drug cartel run your education. Well, that's what we have running higher education right now. What a great comparison. You have to have people that have succeeded without it. You have to contrast it with what's really going on and you have to be very direct in regards to it. And you bring up on another point with what we're doing at Turning Point USA. First of all, the other beautiful and delicious irony of this book is that all proceeds go to Turning Point USA.

28:05So I'm directing all of it as a major donation. And I did that for a couple of reasons. First of all, we need the help of Turning Point USA. We have chapters all across the country. We're hiring staff. It helps us fund our effort. But the second part, Joe, is that you could be part of the solution by learning about how terrible college is by actually funding a rescue mission of kids on college campuses and high school campuses by the work we're doing at Turning Point USA. So all profits of the book go to fund the wonderful work we're doing at Turning Point USA. He's the author of the college scam Charlie Kirk. Make sure you check out his radio show, his podcast. He's on television all the time. Charlie, I've got to ask you this. How is it legal in this country? And maybe you've got a very simple answer to this. For any state-funded taxpayer-funded university to allow for a by-paw housing, to allow for all white people to racist, to allow to shut down first amendment speech rights for conservatives, yet you can wave the ISIS flag on campus if you want and get away with it. How is that okay? Listen, if I want to open up I hate America University. It's a private institution. If you want to go there pay me the money and go there. But if it's a state-funded taxpayer-funded university, how is this legal?

29:09It shouldn't be. You have examples, for example, Eastern Washington University. They have black only dormitories. So many of these, that's not a red state, but there's plenty of red states where they have black only dormitories and they have people, as you mentioned, BIPOC, people of color, dormitories and living quarters. And it's something that Republicans quite honestly have allowed to happen. So there's two things. One, we're partnering with Stephen Miller, who I think is phenomenal, to actually put forward civil rights litigation against this, because we believe it's in direct violation of the 1960s Civil Rights Act. So that's number one. Number two, Republicans have got to wise up. And now this really is the third rail in the book, okay? So let's take a random state. Let's take South Dakota or North Dakota. The university is one of the largest employers in South Dakota and North Dakota. You do not touch their budget. You do not question them. You might be able to tamp around the edges on some curriculum stuff, but that entire albatross, that machine goes untouched.

30:09And honestly, those are the states where it needs to happen the most, because we have political power. Where we say, you know what, you are going to have to take a course on Western civilization. If you hate the country as a professor, taxpayer dollars are not going to go about and fund that. Yet Republican politicians seem very shy and sheepish. I go into that in the book, developer contracts, alumni sitting on the board, and some of the bigger states like Texas, a lot of alumni, they use those kind of boards as ways to wield influence. I don't touch on that too much, but it's been well-documented over the last couple years. Also it's this other thing where it's as if people think you're attacking the football program when you're attacking the college. Right. And I'm like the biggest college football fan in the world. So when people say, Charlie, you got to follow your heart. No, you got to follow your skill and something you like. If I followed my heart, I'd be like a D2 college football coach right now, okay? I love college football. So I think it's somewhat corrupt at the highest levels, but the point is that you have to disconnect what's going on with these colleges, then a four-hour experience on a Saturday afternoon

31:11for 12 Saturdays. And that's a big part of it because a lot of people are afraid to attack their alma mater because of a successful sports program. First of all, it's a bad reason not to attack your alma mater. But I have a whole working theory that I think a lot of these colleges, especially in the Power Five conferences, they're actually able to keep their alumni at bay through successful sports programs. The book is called The College Scam. Go to collegescam.com. Go and get it right now. It's Charlie Kirk. Charlie brought up a point that really did jump out at me. What we, Martin Luther King, Jr. died in trying to get equality and equal opportunity for all people in America. We had Richard Nixon who desegregated schools more than any other president in history. How exactly has the left indoctrinated people enough that they're re-segregating themselves on purpose? Why would they ever go backward? And basically dance on the grave of a guy like Martin Luther King Jr. who would be sick to see what's going on. They never actually liked him. If you read some of the more kind of black nationalist literature in the 1960s and 70s, they rejected Martin Luther King's vision of a colorblind America.

32:12So kind of the modern day archbishop of everything racist and what they call anti-racism, which is actually bigotry. So we should call them is a guy by the name of Harry Rogers or Henry Rogers. I was going to mess up. His name is really, well, it calls himself Ibrahim X. Candy. Every parent should educate themselves on who Ibrahim X. Candy is. He's taught almost every major university, almost every teaching college. He now teaches first, second, and third graders. And I could summarize his entire philosophy in one quote. Then in order to fix the segregation of yesterday, we need segregation today. We need active prejudice against white people to give blacks a preference. That is the stated policy position of one of the leading philosophers on the American left. They've never believed in colorblindness. Colorblindness is a threat to them. If we don't focus on skin color, then their entire coalition of hyperracializing America falls apart immediately. And by the way, that's the country I grew up in. I'm 28 years old. You know, 12 to 15 years ago when I was in high school and I was in elementary school

33:15and I was in middle school. No one talked about race. I went to a high school that was 53% Hispanic and everyone got along. No one talked about race. So this is deeply personal to me, Joe. We're now everyone's talking about race all the time and we're more divided and there's more racial corrosion. It's all artificial and it's created with the intent to, I believe, create a metaphorical arson against the American Republic. I'm the next generation. You're young enough to be my son. I've got a 31 year old daughter. But when I went to high school, I graduated in 1984. I went to Atlantic high school in Del Rey Beach, Florida, which was probably 70 or 80% black. All of my friends were of all racial backgrounds. We never, ever, ever, never, ever, never talked about race. Exactly. Because we were human beings. So what do they gain? Is this, Charlie, is this simply about votes? If we divide and conquer, I can tell black people, whites hate you, tell whites Hispanics hate you, tell Hispanics Native Americans hate you, then I can own your vote. Is that what this is? Yes, some of them haven't really thought through it that deeply. They just think racism. So we have to go punish the racists. That's about as deep as they think.

34:17But yes, I mean, look, they're following the playbook of South Africa. They're following the idea that we have a multi-racial country and we're not constantly tearing each other apart. Is a remarkable thing. It's never happened before in the human experience. Ever. Those countries are all homogeneously the same. Just go to Asia. Okay, go to Japan. They're all homogeneously the same. Same in China. India has some racial diversity, but not really. And so this idea that we have people from all across the world and we coexist, the only way you can work with that is to detribalize society. And yes, I do believe that some of them are doing it because they think they're feeling good. Now, there's this great, I can go into it. There's this great piece of literature in the 1970s when the black panthers were on the rise and the black panthers were invited to this upper middle class white liberal cocktail party. And Bernard Bernstein starts to ask them just a couple of questions like, hey, what's your plan? We're going to burn it all down. And he asks a question, well, then what next?

35:17And they respond. They said, well, come on, we can't have a plan for everything, man. Wow. So burn it all down and then what do you do? You just let me in the burn ruins. Come on. I just think that, that quote perfectly summarizes some of their sentiment, which is what we're supposed to think about. What's next? Let's just burn it down. I mean, come on. At least we get to rule over the ashes. The college's game is named of the book. He's the author. It's Charlie Kirk. You know, Charlie Kirk also the founder of Turning Point USA does an incredible radio show every day. Check out everything that he does. One last question. Charlie, with the America first push, the vast conservative values pushed like you and I have, President Trump has, I just had Ronnie Jackson on. He's got the same, the same exact feeling. You see people like Mike Pence is going to do a counter rally against Kerry Lake. I'm confused. Mitt Romney, who's the Mormon, he now is angry that Clarence Thomas would say that gay marriage shouldn't have been ruled as constitutional. What's going on on our side of the eye? I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative. I'm a values guy. I'm not a party guy. I'm a person.

36:18But what do you make of those who hate a gaits or hate MTG and don't want Kerry Lake to win an Arizona? It doesn't make sense. Your life becomes very easy, albeit on fulfilling if you oppose the America first movement. You get book deals, dinner invites, the media doesn't investigate you. You get all sorts of speaker honorariums, corporate board offers. You get to go to Aspen to go speak at some sort of irrelevant thing where no one says anything substantive, but you get invited to some $65 million house. If you want to go through difficulty, embrace the America first movement. You get every journalist going after you. You get every government agency trying to investigate you. You'll get rated by the FBI. Do you think any of those people are actually going to be rated or investigated by the DOJ any time soon? Of course not. I really believe that it is the politics of exhaustion. You take some of those people you articulated, they tried to do the conservative thing and they don't have the stomach for a multi decade fight. They just don't. That's it. I want to enjoy the last part of my life.

37:18I want a book deal. I want to sip champagne and act like I'm a good person. That's the final thing. Is that because the allure from the fake morality of the Washington Post and the New York Times is so overwhelming, you really convince yourself that you're a good person. You really do. Like that. I'm the virtuous one, that Cassidy Hutchinson girl that's as far in front of Congress. I don't know her. Seems like a nice person. But deep down she fundamentally thought that she was some sort of civil rights crusader. I'm a good person. You're actually not. Okay. Are you telling me Trump didn't jump over the vaccine and grab the wheel? Yeah, I mean, it's the most ridiculous thing ever. By the way, it's hearsay, which will never be permissible. Of course. But I mean, it's just so what drives them? Which drives them is social acceptability amongst America's elites. And deep down they actually have a lot of resentment for people like us. It was a great man gone away too soon. We're back after this and the Joe Pags show. You're listening to Joe Pags. I appreciate you hanging out.

38:22More on the one year anniversary of the assassination of Charlie Kirk next hour. I'm going to break that down with Darren Kinder and a whole lot more. Plus the $5,000 payout from the president. He said it yesterday. Keep it here. Come on back. Joe Pags.