S8 Ep549: 8. On January 30, 1933, Hitler was appointed Chancellor after a tense, last-minute negotiation with Alfred Hugenberg and Franz von Papen. Hugenberg initially resisted but ultimately yielded, later calling it the "biggest mistake" of his life. This "seizur

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I'm John Bachelorette Tim Rodbach who's done a great favor of filling in a blank in my reading

after a lifetime of reading about these moments when the monsters themselves were created by conditions

coming from the Versailles Treaty and the failure of the markets in the 1920s. We're now

January 30 on Wilhelm Strasse and Hindenburg is sent for Hitler. It's 9.40 in the morning. Tim is

very detailed about this when Hitler's Mercedes calls for him to take him to the meeting with Hindenburg.

Hitler believes that he will now be made Chancellor. However, he needs a majority and he doesn't

have it. So he needs a man named Hugenberg and we talked about before. And Hugenberg is aware that he

has to be part of this coalition and defer in some fashion to Hitler, but he's reluctant. Tim,

this is a scene that you want to rewrite many times. What is Hugenberg thinking that morning?

Can he keep this from happening as he want more for joining the coalition? What are his thoughts?

Well, Hugenberg has which he needs his entire career to be part of government.

He sees himself as the potential being minister of economics. He's a businessman. It's a tremendous

opportunity. He also knows that he is he has he's the one man with a power to make or break

out of Hitler at that moment. Why? He is the November 6th Alexa. He ended up with a million votes

that Hitler had lost, which means Hugenberg had 40 seats in the Reichstag. Now it's not a large

number in 600 seats Reichstag, but it's a vital part of a coalition that Hitler needs to

for Hugenberg to agree to appoint Hitler Chancellor. So without Hugenberg, Hitler is not going to

be Chancellor. Now, the problem be to men. These two guys fight always. They do their politics are

identical. They are anti-Semitic. They want the destruction of Germany. They're both

our hungry. But what what Hitler realized that what Hitler wants is to hold new

Reich's collections as soon as he's Chancellor in order to create a majority. This is the famous

March 1933 election. Hugenberg is the last thing Hugenberg wants. He got his 40 seats. He has

he knows he will never get a larger percentage, but it gives he has that power. So the last thing

he wants is a is is another Reichstag election. Now Popin has been behind the scenes all of January

negotiating between Hugenberg and Hitler and going to Hugenberg to sort of say I think I'd

put in this deal together. So they arrived there on the morning of January 30th. They think

everything is set. What Hopin has slightly fudged is the fact that Hitler is demanding new Reichstag

elections and that Hugenberg absolutely refuses to join any government. So they get in the room

that they're standing outside Hinenberg's office. And also this issue of Reichstag elections comes

up. And Hugenberg's wait, what are you talking about? We aren't having new elections. And Hitler

says, well, yes, we are. Hugenberg says not with me. And suddenly they go into crisis mode.

Meanwhile, Hindenburg is sitting there, you know, looking at his watch saying, where are these

gentlemen? They're down there negotiating this thing. And Hindenburg is a kid. He had to hold his

nose to appoint Hitler. So it's the last thing he wants to do. He's been forced into it by

circumstances. But he's ready to sort of pick up his cane and walk out. And finally, at one point,

all these guys, you know, Garein and Popin and Hitler, the corner Hugenberg, and they say, look,

we do Reichstag elections. We'll work it out later. Just say, just let's go. And Hugenberg goes,

nine, nine, nine, and he refuses. Finally, they get an edge in there where it's sort of cubophils

a bit. And so he said, okay, let's go. And they march up the stairs into Hindenburg's office.

And the deal is done. And it's all really, as you said, it's like out of, it's either out of a

comedy or tragedy, but you can't make this stuff. You have a photograph in your book. It's a

photograph that needs interpretation for the ages. Hitler's in the middle. There are three chairs.

Hitler's sitting all the cabinets behind him. Hugenberg is off to the left behind Popin. Popin

looks like an English gentleman on the weekends. Hitler's in the middle and Garein has a smile on

his face, turning towards Hitler. Their shoes are scuffed. Behind them are members of the cabinet.

Hitler looks completely out of place. He has a haircut that's suggestive of either the trenches

or some kind of tough boy, you know, the sides are completely trimmed back and then the

shock of black hair thrown over the top. Hitler looks angry. To me, Tim, does he look angry to you?

Yeah. And Garein looks like he's won the party cake.

Hugenberg looks stunned. I figured he was something of a frog, but this looks like a man who's

just made, as you write in your book, the biggest mistake of his life. What happens to Schleicher?

The next year. So the deal is done. As you said, John, Hugenberg says the next morning, I just made

the biggest mistake of my life within by June of 1934. This is the night of the

long nights. Schleicher has been murdered. Strasse has been murdered. Garein has been murdered.

Dozens and dozens of others. And that's really sort of the final moment for what we

know known as Hitler's seizure of war. The monsters themselves come out after this.

The book is takeover. I highly recommend it. These are details that tell the story of how

hustlers become monsters. Hitler's final rise to power Timothy Ryback is the author.

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