'Sicario' With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

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1:07All right, rewatchable's live. We're just talking basketball here. 3 p.m. Pacific time. I'm Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fantasy, and it is. This is happening. See how you got your own month. People thought you're either leaving the ring or dying and neither. You're healthy. You just love me. You're healthy or here. You've been pushing for these movies for a long time. Yeah. That's Chris Ryan. You can find him on the watch. That is Sean Fantasy from the Big Picture. We've been doing the rewatchable since 2017. This is our first live podcast, right? Yeah, I think so. On Netflix, yeah. Sure. Here's the part where I awkwardly throw to break. And then we'll be back in one second. This episode of the rewatchables is presented by TikTok. The online world moves fast. That's why a TikTok approaches teen safety with families in mind. From the start on TikTok. Teens get over 50 built-in protections right when they join. Their accounts are private by default for those under 16 direct messages are turned off.

2:09Only friends can comment on their videos. When safety comes first, discovery can follow. Learn more at TikTok.com slash Guardians God. Curious the 2015 American action crime spoiler film directed by Denea Villanuev. Yes, run by Taylor Sheridan in the screenwriting debut and starring Emily Blunt, Lisa Doltoro and Josh Berlin. I got that off of Wikipedia. See, are you loved this movie? I adore this movie. You blogged about it for the dearly departed Grantland in September of 2015, one of your best pieces of work. Thanks. You have been advocating for this for the rewatchables for some time. It finished 41st on my most rewatchable movies of the 21st centuries wrecking, which caused you to

3:12jostle angrily in your seat. And wonder if it was a bit. Yeah, I've watched it three times since I probably would move it up now. Top 30? Yeah, maybe higher or lower than 16. A limitless is higher. I've watched it. You think limitless is better than six. I limitless probably just top 12. What is it? What is it about this movie CR? This movie just engages every part of my movie watching brain. The every frame of every shot of every scene is interesting to look at. The story, the dialogue, the themes are deeply like fascinating to watch play out. And all of the performances are unique and wonderful, but you know, even though they are expressing like an individual performance, they are all like in sync and in tune with each other. It's just like a perfect movie to be. And you're a big fan of Dallas Phil Nova, the director. Yeah, Dallas. Yeah, Jimmy Vills, one of my favorite filmmakers. Yeah, he's got a name like an islander's forward circa 1983. Keep

4:15he knew Guy Laflare. Yeah, I'm up in the corner. But he's got, you know, he's like a little bit Ridley Scott, a little bit Stanley Kubrick. He's like a really nice little mixture of filmmaker for me. So I really love his movies. This is by far my favorite of his movies. This is his best movie. It feels more timely than ever. Wrote that went down. Things have been happening in Mexico. And anytime anything happens in Mexico, it's hard not to send your brain back. From a rewatchability standpoint, which is the whole point of this podcast, this movie has a few different entry points. But you can just start from the beginning and you're just off for five minutes. You can wait a little later until we're doing the drop off for whatever we're trying to do when we're going through border patrol. We could go to the guys descending into darkness as we go into the night goggles in the tunnel. Or you could just watch the end as Del Toro takes out of an entire crime lord in his family. Yes. Four entry points. Yeah. You know, at the structure of this movie is pretty fascinating. When I wrote that Grandland piece, I compared it. I compared Chicago to Apocalypse now. And I still feel like I liked it. It's

5:20my, it's our Apocalypse now. Like it is a movie of our lifetime about a war that is seemingly never ending that very few people truly understand. And maybe can't be understood. But one of the reasons why I think that that comp holds is the way that it kind of peaks viscerally in the, I think, 31st minute of the movie. And that's not unlike the flight of the Valkyrie scene in Apocalypse now. And then the rest of the film is much deeper and more contemplative than the rest of the film is just way more contemplative than the beginning of the film. It's way more about this woman learning about the morality and the sense of justice that she's exploring. But like, do you think that that comparison holds? Yeah. I mean, it's not as epic as Apocalypse now. But I think it's really smart. I mean, I think it's also, I wrote down that I really like a movie with a debrief where there's like men go into a room and some men have important information and other men don't

6:21have that information. And they're being brought into the scheme. And there's a very famous one in Apocalypse now where Harrison Ford is sitting there quietly as like a menacing officer and Martin Sheen's character is brought in and his mission is explained to him. And it's almost like duplicated perfectly in this movie with the setup where we see Kate, you know, sitting outside of the glass room where Graver and the FBI and the DOD and the CIA people, yes. And like, it's a movie for adults. Like, and I don't mean that in a sexual way. Like, it's a movie for like, you wouldn't be nine years old and interested in this movie really. Yeah, exactly. It's morally complicated. It's about history. It's about like actual contemporary conflict to your point. They're very serious. I don't know if it has quite the same level of like mysticism, like opera. Yeah. That isn't Apocalypse now. You know, it was made by people who were doing drugs and having a heart attack because they were making themselves. Dennis Hopper is not in it. It's more controlled, right? And it's tighter. It's two hours. But but thematically, the big idea that's

7:24like going to the scary place, just going. It's going up the river. It's going through the tunnel. It's arriving on some other side where your your view of the world has been completely changed. Well, you left out also you have the Kurtz character. You did this in your blog. Yeah. Called a blogger an essay. I was just a blog post. Yeah. Okay. Just jamming it out. I would have given you an essay. What about think piece? Think piece. But the Kurtz del Toro is Kurtz, right? And then Emily Bluntz character just descending into she by the end of the movie. She's just a shivering puddle of just yeah. What the hell is going to happen to us to her life? That's basically Martin Sheen. Right. Apocalypse. He's going to happen. Yeah. He's seen too much. Too much has happened. He's lost his mind. And Berlin is a pretty functional kill-gore character, which is the Robert DeVal character in Apocalypse now, which is a person who seems to almost get like a sensory hive from being in this incredibly chaotic, incredibly violent world. Yeah, reveling in the media. Yeah. One of the things I like about this movie is I probably had to see

8:26it multiple times before I fully understood what was happening because it's really complicated. Yes. Even when you get to the FBI CIA, CIA part of it all. What they're trying to do with her, the chess game of bringing her in and the reasons behind that. You're just not going to really get that on the first first airing of that. Yeah. You know what? You're going to get to probably a lawnmower in the background on our library watchables. And I have to send a text about that. Good time. You know what? What if it could happen? This is live. How about a lawnmower? I had lessons from from Sicaria. Did this for a couple movies. One lesson is to tell the lawnmower guy not to be outside the window. I still live pod. If you want to send a text shot, I can keep talking about. I might not be my house. Let's listen from Sicaria. There's no right. Only degrees of wrong. Sometimes the ends justify the means, allegedly.

9:31Sometimes it's not personal. It's business. It's, I'm sorry, sometimes it's not business. It's personal. Isn't working when it's really, really personal for the other side. The person is going to trump the business. Sure. Don't expect your movie hero to end up the hero all the time in a movie. This movie sets up the Emily Blunt. Oh, it's going to be her movie. And it's just not by the end of the movie. America is a little more responsible for the drug war than we want to admit. And then finally, you will doubt everything we do, but in the end, you'll understand, which is an actual quote from Alejandro. He says that early in the movie, and that's the key quote from the movie, you will doubt everything we do, but in the end, you'll understand. Do you think she understood by the end? I think she accepted. I don't know if she understood, but I think she accepted what was going on around her and how she, she was told to play a part in all of this. Can we talk about Kate? Yeah, let's do it. Is Kate a good character? Kate Mercer? She's a lot of a cipher. I think, you know, I think that

10:37I was thinking about the comparison. I've seen some other folks make it the relationship between Kate and Alejandro, like the same as Clarice and and Hannibal actor. And this idea of like a novice innocent, idealistic person going in and meeting with someone whose experiences will shape her and can are the key to unlocking all of the truth of the world and what happens to that person when you get on the other side. Clarice obviously has like the backstory of her father. There's a little bit more stuff in there about the sexism of the FBI. And Kate kind of moves through this movie more or less like a guy, you know, I mean, like I think Taylor Sheridan has talked a lot about like everybody's like, how did you write such a powerful female character? And you know, it's a little bit of a backpack for him, but I think that she's a good character. She's not a deep character. Deep back padded himself. No, but he was just like, I think that he was saying that the creative lioness was pitching this script. A lot of producers or some producers were like,

11:38great, can you make Kate a man? And we'll cast this person as Kate. Yeah, if this can be Chris Pine, we're going to go. If you call him Kate, it just sounds a little Trump-esque or he's like, a lot of people are saying this is a really powerful character. Yeah, they flipped the Clarice Starling thing on us, which makes me think Silence of the Lambs actually weirdly helps this movie because you're watching. You're like, oh, this is the Clarice. She's going to come in here and right and it's actually not that and she's just going to get broken down and be questioning all of her professional decisions by the end of it. I have a bunch of stuff to go through here. The first one is that it was released on September 19th, 2015. Same weekend as the Martian. Yep. We really knew what we were doing 10 years ago, guys. I mean, you're in my what stage of the worst right now that the Martian and Robert Semeckas is the walk or at least on the same day, which means three original adult dramas opened wide against one another in 2015. That would never

12:40happen today. I forgot about the walk. I don't even think I ended up seeing it. I mean, it turned out to be a dud, but that was like, it's a big movie. You know, it's a remake of a documentary, but a famous event that happened, you know, yeah. The Martian and Carl are really good comparisons to of my favorite kind of movie, which is basically, it's like heat, it's like training day, it's like primal fear or the firm where you go in expecting a baseline, like floor of an experience because it's the genre that you like. Yeah. And then if you get somebody like Ridley Scott or Denise Villanue or Christopher Nolan or Michael Mann directing one of those movies, like that pop that you feel when you're like, oh, shit, this is going to be even better than just okay. Yeah. Like this could be great. And you're watching it. I think I saw Sikari are like immediately twice in the theater, which I only do with movies like this, like doubled up. Yeah. I think it was like a real like, I have to go back like in a day or two. Correct. You were 19, 2015. Yeah. So did you use Sikari or Martian? Martian. Yeah. I think

13:43Martian kind of blew out a lot of the theaters. I did. I saw them both, but Martian was the one to go out and see first. There's a more commercial movie. It was a much bigger hit. Yeah. Also, like at the time, nobody really knew the director. We just known from prisoners. It's like for actual mainstream movies. There's not even in space versus a gritty movie about the drug cartel. Yeah. In the moment, it was easy to choose Martian. Also, it was a movie with stars, but they were in stars. They were like that next level down. It's almost like putting together a really good basketball team without a franchise guy. It was Emily Blunt, Josh Berlin, Del Toro. Yeah. Daniel Kaluuya, nobody know who he was at that point, but it's all Bernthal who was like the walking dead guy at that point. But this is how it's very smartly cast. The kind of movie that makes stars in a way. Yeah. Obviously, Del Toro was extremely well known at Erdi, one in Oscar, but was a perfect use of him. Brolin had been a part of big movies to that point. Yeah. This is like A-plus movie star, but this is like Brolin going to another level right

14:46here, which is this Everest, and he does the cameo at the end of Avengers this year. Right. And so he becomes Thanos and a giant movie star. Whereas I think from no country on, it had been like, Josh Brolin's like really good and like you should have like he should be in your movie and he's an American gangster and and milk and stuff like that, but like this is when he starts just going to another level. This movie did not get nominated for Best Picture. I don't think it was even ever really under consideration. Spotlight wanted big short, Bridget Spies, Brooklyn, Mad Max, Fear Road, The Martian, The Revenant, and Room. Good movie. Famously a pretty interesting slate in the Spotlight one that year, but like maybe everybody feels like Mad Max, Fear Road was kind of the way to go this year, that year ultimately. What a great movie year. It was a good year. You know why Spotlight won? This is what I heard. Cause they do! They were shared in first-screen play ever. He's a frustrated actor. Kicks off one of the most impactful and lucrative 11 plus year screenwriting runs.

15:50There's never had. Amazing what if here because, you know, it was shared in famously, like kind of frustrated character actor had been on like sons of anarchy and stuff and wanted to write his own material. This is an amazing first script. I read the script. It's pretty different in not so much as in tone. The story in the dialogue is all in the script. They cut so much and that is something that I imagined would not happen today. If Taylor shared and was writing a feature film, I would imagine that he would be like, the condition is you shoot the script as it is. Well, we should talk about that because this is the key thing that happened. Or it turns into a 10 episode season. Yeah, it just turns into lioness. Yeah, they just, even for Del Toro's character, the director cut 90% of the dialogue he was supposed to say because they decided as they're making the movie, it's actually better if he's a little more mysterious and it's the best decision they made. Incredible decision. His character, all the little stuff. I think this is one of the reasons this movie is so rewatchable and so good.

16:53All the little things they do to set you up, there's a lot of like show don't tell stuff that you could teach in screenwriting classes like that. That nightmare that he has in the plane is so important. That could also have been a scene where he's like, yeah, 20 years ago and he just tells the story. You see the dream. In the screenplay, his dream is shown. Really? Yeah. In the screenplay, the movie opens with like a video of Alejandro talking about Mexico. Like, there's so much more stuff in the script. It's an interesting document to read. It's pretty widely available on Google online to look at this movie. I do. This is a really good bit from Del Nouveau about the screenplay and working with Del Toro and it's like, don't have said dialogue for me is theater, an art for the stage. Cinema is not about dialogue. It's about images and moments and present tense. Beniccio can convey way more by the way he breathes in front of the camera than any line, the way he portrays tension, the way you feel when you see him. So so much of this movie that's successful and parts

17:57that I remember are all like a gesture. Broin will make like when he's just like too dramatically overreact and he just kind of like puts his hands out a little bit and it's like the hands make it. The like the like the pairing it back is what makes it. I would also take it one step further and say that the movie is not really very interested in psychology, psychologizing any of its characters. Like it is not really about explaining backstory but it's also not even about saying like what could have happened to this person that made them this way. We know specifically that Del Toro's character has that and that's the motivating thing. But the first time you watch the movie, you're not like where I land on the movie, which is that this is Beniccio Del Toro's movie. Like that he is the titular character. It is about him and even though Emily Blunt is our perspective character, it's not about her. Yeah, it's pretty rare to have a POV character that's not hero, I think. Yeah, there's, you could say there's a theory with this that she's kind of the audience of the movie and you're introduced to all this stuff through her, but ultimately like she

19:01can't do anything. I think that's right. Yeah, I think that's right. I don't mind that theory. It's a really good structure for the movie and really smart and I feel like carving away a lot of Alejandro's dialogue makes that actually more coherent as an idea because if he's talking a lot and is doing video and stuff, then you're like, okay, so we're watching a Beniccio Del Toro movie where this woman gets involved in his world. Yeah. As opposed to like a third or two-thirds of the way through the movie, you're like, oh, so we're like on Alejandro's mission. He is like the change agent inside the movie. I remember watching it the first time being very confused. Sure. Maybe like a halfway point and now when you rewatch it again, you see like all the intention, but it's one of those things where you're right, Sheridan didn't have the power back then to say, do my movie the way that you want. You know, I'm not as big a fan of Sheridan's TV shows in part because I feel like he kind of can't get out of his own ways sometimes with explaining what he thinks about something. Well, he's gotten to the point that very few writers ever have where it's just like he runs the show. I mean, moviemaking is not a screenwriter's business. TV is,

20:03but even TV writers don't have the kind of carte blanche that he seems to when it comes to dictating like, yeah, we're going to do 10 hours. We're going to have like if you watch Lioness, Lioness has set pieces that are as expensive as the ones that are in that are in that are in Sicario. Once Sheridan figured out how to microdose the limitless drug, it was fucking off for the dude. He's running out of pills. Do you think he has limitless higher than 16? There's no questions. I think one, so you think it's you think it's Kate's movie because Kate's the in the first scene and we're with her the whole time we're following her and the structure of that Goldman used, Goldman had a thing about this when he did the Sabine Private Ryan. The movie starts with Matt Damon's character going to the cemetery and then the flashback and it flashes back to things he couldn't have known because he was in there. Yeah. And it's like the diehard screenwriter, some of them are like, you can't bend the rules like that because if you're telling the movie through the through the eyes of somebody, you can't then just shift it the other

21:05way. That's basically what they do with this. This is also like a rule within mystery storytelling where you have to make a decision whether or not you want the audience to know as much as a character or more than a character. And so Sicario kind of plays with that a little bit because midway through the movie pretty much when Kate goes to the bar with Reg and that's when the burn fall scene, we sort of starts watching Kate the way that Kate was watching Alejandro earlier in the movie and there's even camera moves that kind of suggests that where it kind of shifts POV to Alejandro and it becomes his mission and the second half of the movie is really about getting Alejandro to Fausto and all the things that they're going to do to get him through that tunnel and into that car and into that house. What's your del Toro relationship? It's a good question. Usual suspects, I guess. He really slides into the radar. He's I know one of those below a famous star. Definitely. You're never upset to see him in a movie. He elevates every movie he's in. He won for traffic. I mean, right? Like he's he's a face and an

22:10acting style that is not not really invoked. You know, it's like a weathered older face, a very kind of minimal acting style that's a lot about being quiet and a lot about looks and a lot about gestures. He's a very, very good stare. And you know, like a lot of our big actors now are like kind of glib one liner machines and he's not like that. He doesn't want to do that. I actually have a little del Toro game for you. Okay. Did you never done this on rewatch? Yeah, every decade. If you have at least four straight decades with a banger. So he's got usual suspects of the 90s traffic 2000s, Sakarya 2010s, and then one battle this decade. Yeah, foreign row. And it's like, oh, a lot of people have that. You'd be surprised. No. Like even if you go to Denzel, where it's like Crimson Tide 90s, we'll give him that man on fire or training day in the 2000s, 2010s flight equalizer. Now we get to the 20s and it's like, all right, equalizer three.

23:13That's kind of out. He's just not really a movie star. He's like a grade A movie actor. Like he crucial to all of those movies, even though he wasn't the quarterback. Yeah, I mean, I worship him. I think he is like one of the most interesting and daring actors. And he is a rare case where you hear a lot of stories about movie stars who get on set and are like, I'm not doing that. And they seem like assholes. Yeah. And Benicio is very famous for reading scripts, calling filmmakers and saying like, here's what I think this is. This is what my gut tells me. And and Paul Thomas Anderson and Leonardo Caprio have been very open in promoting one battle after another about how much Benicio changed what they intended to do with that movie. Yeah, that the whole underground railroad period and that movie that all that stuff is that stuff that he came up with and worked out with PTA basically when he arrived on set because he had no time to prepare because he came right from the Phoenician scheme. And they just like kind of improvised it in a period of days. And it's the absolute heartbeat of the movie. And if that stuff isn't in the

24:16movie, the movie isn't nearly what we feel like it is. And that is like literally him kind of acting as a writer and coming up with all those ideas for his character. This car is of his clearly very similar where he and Danny were like, discussion talk. And by him not talking, but then he gets like seven lines of dialogue that are the most memorable lines of dialogue in the movie. And he gets to do the coolest shit. Yeah, every line he says is memorable. And even every line he says that's memorable is like the what he says the last line he has to Kate, the last line he says to Fausto. You're like, I'm gonna remember that for the rest of the rest of my life. Like when Greg, you remind me of my son. He drops that twice on our. It's like it's the only way to really have a human interaction. Like you're asking me how watch works. You know, like that stuff is just so because he doesn't talk that much in the movie to find him would be to find a vaccine. Yeah, five decadeers. This is the finals. Danero. Godfather to midnight run. He meet the parents in limitless. Sure. What's counts? Yeah, counts for me. Not the Irishman. I'll give you the Irishman

25:21if you want the Irishman. Fine. Cruise. Top Gun, Jerry McGuire, collateral, Egypt tomorrow, Maverick. Pretty tough to beat. That's good. Yeah. It's a five-banger, five decades of bangers for Cruise. Yeah. We'll see if he can get to six. Anybody else? Merrill. You know, Pacino, the two thousands are rough for Pacino. You really have to squeeze two for the money in there. What's his 80s pick? Scarface. Oh, right. That's 80. Okay. And then Stallone has rocky first blood cliffhanger. Two thousands are dicey and then creed. But two thousands fall apart. Two thousands. What is it? Like daylight? It's sad how much someone makes it before Merrill, though. Well, Merrill would have cream versus creamer 70s, right? Pick a movie in the 80s. There's like seven of them. Sure. Nine choice. Yeah. 90s. Riverswild. Missy is like Riverwild. Yeah, that's pretty good. Just Madison County. Yeah. Good. Prada and two thousands. Uh-huh. I don't

26:25know what's two thousand tenths. Iron Lady. Post. Iron Lady. Obviously, it's county, right? No. When's that? No, but it's 2017, but I wouldn't put it up there. Okay. We didn't talk about our director third line center on the 1978 Habs, Danny Villanuev. Yeah. Those power plates he was here. Bershara tomorrow. He's number 13 all-time point scored for the Edmunds Noilers. Yeah. Danny Villanuev. All-time hockey. Are you an in Cindy's guy? On some D. On Sundays. Never saw it. Yeah. I mean, it's extremely, it's extremely gnarly. It is a really well. His first few movies are fucking disturbing. Prisoners. Yeah. Enemy is not a... No, enemy is amazing. Please don't. This loves Jake Jones. How did you sit through enemy with her? No. Okay. Enemy is about, Jamie's really feeling it, about the two, two halves of us. And a giant tarantula inside of us. Do you have any two walls? Yes. That was a one-timer club for me. I saw that once, not going back. Okay. That was the one. I do like prisoners, though, and that will be on the

27:27robot. I have some bad news for you about C.R. Months. We're ending with that. No. Like you tell me. So then he has Sikario. Then he does a rival. Blade Runner 2049. Two Dune movies. And now he's going to do what's his next thing? Bond. It's a good one. Bond. Dune three and then Bond. I mean, he's on the mount top right now. He's in the top five dudes. I wrote down style, feel, mood, substance. Yeah. What's new? Roger Deacon's worth mentioning. Big shout, Raj. This will be this one. And then next week we are doing another Roger Deacon's movie. He's out of his fucking mind in this movie. It's amazing. Some of the best cinematography I've ever seen. I don't know how he gets the soldiers to disappear like that. It doesn't seem like it's CGI when they just kind of walk into the darkness together. And then they just kind of just waited for the absolute last second of some way. It's dusk. He also just has that sense of composition that if you watch scenes that in any other director of photography or any other director for Villanooga, not, you know, I think they're both equally responsible for the visual

28:32look of this film, like even if it's just Kate looking at Graver. Or actually, there's a good example. The scene that I love, which is like when Graver is talking to all the FBI guys about recruiting Kate, they shoot from behind Matt's head and they hold it there the whole time where they're like, Hey, then this other guy, Daniel Cluey, a character. He went to Maryland and he's a lawyer from UNC goes, no lawyers on this train. And they never cut to his face or anything. And the way they shoot it is like, that's the fucking wizard. It's like God. Yeah, exactly. They're like, what is about to happen? You don't want a lawyer to come. Like that tells you everything about this character and about what's going to happen. And it's their choice to frame it. And you can see all the guys in the frame. And they're all like, Oh, shit. They're just like, we're about to send this girl to her death probably. Do you think Deacon should have done one movie? Like, that's my boy with that of Sandler. Just, just like to test himself. I mean, this is a running gag on the big picture. But you know, he comes in as a, as a cinematography

29:34consultant on animated movies. And so he has worked on my beloved Rango. And he was like, worked as a kind of ad-hoc cinematographer on, on movies that have that tone. So he has done that. There is like a dabble. If you go back to like the 80s and early 90s, some of the great cinematographers because they were just working way more. It'll be like a run of movies where it's like a camera operator on the exorcist. And like, this, this, and this. And it'll be like sorority boob fever. You know what I mean? It's just like, all right. I guess it was time to face you wish. Hey, man. Yeah. Three kids. I gotta be working. Uh, the Emily Blunt run was, uh, Devil Wars Prada 06 that puts her on the map. And then she has a bunch of misses and near misses. And it's just not really going. But then from 12 to 15, five year engagement, looper, edge of tomorrow in secario. Yeah. She's kind of cemented. Now it was the run. Um, I have some casting thoughts on her for a later category. Okay. Okay. I think I've landed on,

30:37I think she was the right person for this. Because in my head, I think it was more probably Kate Winslet in the early 2000s would have been like the all-timer for me for this. But I think she was good. I think she's very credible as an FBI agent and a person who's like, I'm trained to hold a gun. I can go into these spaces. I think there's some flaw in the writing of her morality, especially in the final third of the movie. I can't wait to talk about that. Okay. Save that. And then our guy, Josh Brolin, comes on the map, 1985 goonies, which has been floated around for the fourth spot in C.R. month. I know. I'm, I'm, I'm the mansion. Yeah. bounced around for 20 solid years. It's just, his IMDB is all over the place. Never quite made it. He's a kid actor. 2005 into the blue. Hmm. No, if you guys know this movie. Paul Walker and Jessica Alba. Yeah, certainly. Basically a rip off of the deep. Yeah. Brolin's the bad guy and he's fucking great in it. And I actually like this movie, but Brolin's like great. And it's like all the seeds of the cicareo guy 10 years later is into the blue. But then no country 06 gangster W

31:44in the valley of Vila, milk, all of a sudden he's Josh Brolin. And I think this is my favorite Brolin. Graver, great attitude and just charisma. And you don't know what he's doing. You know, he's dangerous. He seems like he's having an unusually great time for the circumstances. Yes. And I just really enjoy every minute that he's in this. His character's ability to sleep anywhere is very troubling. And it's very indicative of how comfortable he is with everything that's going on that he's like always like, I'm just going to steal 15 minutes of a nap. And it's a great little tick. A lot of the hand gestures are awesome. The flip flops or the, you know, the cracks that he's basically wearing. But he's still a guy who can just go into the tunnel with the delta dudes and is is basically like fine fine. He's his demeanor has been my professional goal since 2017. Yeah. So I want to be like him at all times. It's like I used to be a rough neck. Yeah. If I have to get it on, I will. But I'm wearing flip flops today. I almost wore

32:47slippers on the lavery watchables just to just to lay it down like Josh Brolin does in this movie. Yeah. He's an actor who just like always should have been 40. You know, when he was 25, you're like, now you're like kind of obnoxious a little bit. And he plays that really well in Goonies, you know, where he's like the overcompensating older brother who's like, not doesn't really get on board with the guys. He's also had a famous dad. He did. And his dad's not famous to the Craig generation. But James Brolin was like a real dude for a long time. Big star. So when his son was coming up, it was like, oh, that's that was a little nepo. I think that was total. Yeah. And I think that it took him a while and it took Hollywood a while to realize like how to use him. I mean, like in some ways, I think no country will probably be the movie I associate him with the most, but like this is my favorite performance by him, I think. I think also you can't really imagine Macrivers pretty fucking funny. You know, and he's like, maybe Satan or at least one of Satan's overlords. But he's so charismatic. And whenever he's talking, you're like, that's the truth.

33:49There's something really powerful about that. They like, imbue that character with the idea that like he's really he's going to really knows how it works. Yeah. I mean, he's got to be charming enough to like entice Kate to join them, but also is the guy who will be like, I mean, to put your ex wife's name on the internet to John Bernthal. I almost did this for how to take, but it's not quite how to take Josh Brolin's second best career of any 80s child actor. Beyond, beyond Leo. Leo's doesn't count because he's really a 90s child actor. Okay. I had runners up. Frank Savage. Keeper Sutherland, River Phoenix, C. Thomas Howe, Beatman, Jason Patrick, the Corey's, Charlie Sheen, Christian Slater. I think the only one that beats him is Christian Bale, who counts because he starts in 87. The point is, it's very hard to go from River Phoenix. I may work a child actor to I've avoided all the pitfalls that come with. He didn't avoid the fitness. There's like a 15 minute. Yeah. He had a 15 year wilderness run for him. Yeah. Yeah.

34:52Then he landed in the arms of Mike Queen, Diane Lane. Everything was fine. Yeah. But yeah, I think Christian, Christian Bale is the only one who's I think done better. I am the Beast standpoint. We were just talking about he to the other day though. It's been a little bit of a rocky road for Bale, unless 67 years. He didn't work that much recently. I mean, how much money does he have though? I think he likes driving like a Toyota pickup and being chill, you know. Bale? Yeah. Just like you. So we had a soccer game once in like fourth grade at Brentwood and he was on the opposite side on the parents. We won like six nothing. I'm like, fuck you, Batman. Yeah. Suck on that, motherfucker. Oscar nominations. So did his daughter you said? No, okay. I was, yeah, I was talking about him. Oscar nominations for cinematography score sound editing. How did they not get del Toro in the side? Well, let's talk about it. So goofy. The bridge of spies guys wins. I don't think he's winning. Right. We're doing that. Yeah. Bale for big short. Hardy for the Revenant. Mark Ruff flow for Spotlight. Slice the loan for Creed. It was just a really good category. He's

35:56still sure got nominated. You know, are you bumping? Well, I have a real hot take about this. I, I want to slide out. And I want Harrison Ford in for the Force Awakens. And I also want Benicio in. And I want Tom Hardy out for the Revenant, which I think is like such a weird. I know that this is kind of weird, but I would almost, I'm more of a fan of the Tom Hardy and Fury Road that I am in Revenant. Hmm. I feel like he's given it partially nominated from Fury Road to that spot. Do you like Tom Hardy in the Revenant? Versus Benicio in this. Yeah. I'd much rather have Benicio. What's your favorite line reading from the Revenant by Tom Hardy? Four lines. I can't think of a single line in the movie probably if I say go no bear. I've been scouting him for the rewatchables. Revit. It's a rough watch. Not a fan. Yeah. Long, long stretches of down a lot going on. Wait, I have a couple more things here. Thirty million dollar budget made $84.9 million. Spawned a sequel, which we'll talk about. Sadly, no Roger Ebert review because he died two years earlier.

36:59Did you ask AI to recreate it? Yeah. God damn it Bill. I did. Sorry, Sean. I know you hate this. ChatGPT said he would probably have given it three and a half to four stars. Well, you should start asking ChatGPT what would Matt Graver do in like professional management? Like Chris's contract is coming up. What would Matt Graver do? You were taking for a while. Yes. We're getting to do a lot of ChatGPT said. Just keep going down that tunnel. Ebert valued films that wrestled with ethical complexity and he loved intelligent thrillers with political weight. He did. Somebody who is alive right now, Wesley Boris, who you just saw. I did. You just podcasted with him. We did. We had a wonderful pod together. He was in my home last night. He did kind of a thumbs up, thumbs down. Yeah. He called it as much a Jim Selfie as a movie. Wesley is so good. That's very funny. His style demands the Michael Mans and

38:02Kathleen Bigelow's of the world take notice and they should. And he said every shootout raid and detonated Bob is a dumbbell thrown to the floor and amped up fatigue. What does that mean at Jim Selfie? Like a look what I can do? The movie is like a real flex. Yeah. It's very muscular. Yeah. Sierra's gone in the gym and watched people lift time to time. He's like as a peeping Tom? We don't have to break, right? Can I keep going? Great. We're live on Netflix. Most rewatchable scene. The opening scene. Big music, big car crash. We have a neuroimely blunt murder. We have multiple bodies in the wall. God. We have people throwing up and then we have another explosion. We have a crawling guy walking toward two arms. Yeah. And then we have her taking the soakwood shower at the end of it and we're off. The movie has begun. It's one of my favorite shots in the movie is her getting all the blood out

39:04of her hair. I think it's the functionality of this scene is just to make it feel like this is a level of depravity and violence that even these FBI agents and cops are not not versed in. They're just this is beyond it. And like all the shots of the bodies and that plastic are just supposed to be like this is a nightmare come to life. Yeah. Yeah. It's like you're in the mummy or something. It's a horror movie. And also that it's a war movie. I think it's really important to frame the movie as a war movie. Like Chris's apocalypse now comparison makes the most sense because it is very much about an enemy that you can't see and the only way you can go get them is to go where they are, which is a very dangerous place. And it's there they're already they're already conducting a war. I mean like they knock down that wall. Like they I remember that sound the first time I saw this movie and like the sound of the truck hitting the wall and that guy's holding the room coming down and just like whoa what the fuck is this? Like it's it is a just reminiscent of the heat truck in the beginning of the hitting the absolutely hitting the bankarmor thing. I'll do this now. It's just some questions about the odor of the 42 bodies

40:10in the wall and just people hanging out in the house. Probably like 90 degrees in Arizona. I don't know if there's enough room freshener. I'm not sure. I'm not sure I can use sealed. Yeah like I think. What was the what kind of bag? They're drywalled in like I don't I don't know like what drywall can can prevent sent wise give thoughts on this crack. It's kind of my research this. Yeah. I think that they're bad pretty tightly. And so I have to imagine that that was a part of their calculus when they when they were thinking of where to stuff these bodies. I don't know. Ben left some chicken in the fridge last week in a ziplock bag and it still smelled after like eight days. These are 170 pound bodies between the wall. Just I don't know. I think it would have smelled. We have these conversations all the time like with the this like the guys it like the different people in seven. It's like how are we now calling it used to the odor? Yeah. Maybe your nasal thing. Do you think we should end the episode right now? Such a flaw that maybe you just throw the baby with the bath water. Next thing I have is the ride through Juarez, which includes um

41:14those who are saying welcome to Juarez. It's like thank you. I think Sheridan's borrowed from that in other places. So you would not have the meeting grave or seen the map or hurting her. So I had that in one stage the best, but I'm happy to have it here today. It's among it is not the best. It was not the most rewatchable scene, but it is up there for me. I love that scene. There's so much information. Fine. Put it in. Okay. You got your way. Our guide Jeffrey Donovan preparing for his shot collar roll two years later. Bottles. It's brilliant. What they do. Oh, with red dots. Next scene is when they're in traffic. Red and Paul two lanes over. Donovan said I'm getting a boner. We have two four-some car shootings, punts, uh, the ninth guy. It's right. He tries to kill Kate. The federal police. This scene's awesome. Del Toro, the way he snaps into action. Also he's getting guns out. And then he's just like, this is great stuff. Let's talk about it, man. I mean, the thing about this scene,

42:17I don't even know if I really realized this until I was watching it for this pod is how you know exactly where they are in relation to where the the toll is, where the other two cars are. They're really clear about it, but also like there's just very few directors who put you in a space and you are feeling the tension because you're like, I can see how slowly the traffic is moving. The dog is barking. It's hot. People are staring out their car windows. And now these guys are over here. And this guy's got a full face tattoo and is like looking itchy. And all these guys are like, what's the rules of engagement? Like, what's the, am I allowed to get out and set a perimeter? You can feel every single part of the elements of that scene. It's remarkable. It's really, really well edited. I don't remember it. I can't remember a single time when I felt more tense in a movie theater. It's kind of on par with watching jaws in my house where you're like, what the hell is going to happen here? Even though you kind of know what's going to happen,

43:18like there's, there's going to be a shootout. I think it says Kate doesn't know. I think it's Kate's like, I, we're not supposed to be in Juarez who's supposed to be in El Paso. Like, I don't really know what I'm doing here. And then this guy is telling me to take my gun out. And it's like, she says at the end where she's just like, I'm not authorized to follow like, he's a spook, you're a spook. I'm like, I am not a soldier. And they're asking her to participate. And then she's complicit. Like she does something in that shootout that essentially seals her fate with these guys for most of the movie. And it's just, I think because she doesn't know what's going to happen. We don't know what's going to happen. I must feel like this could be a new rewatch. It was category, but the guy you mentioned face tattoo guy. I mean, a profile, but I don't know if you could put a scarier guy in the passenger seat. She's just covered, shaved head, itchy as you said. And he's also holding gun. It's like positive. This guy's up to no good. This guy's like not headed to a soccer game. Yeah. I think if you were going to pick a knit, the cartel could have

44:18sent a guy like named Neil, who was like working for a sale. So in that sequence specifically, that those guys are attempting to just get Guillermo back, that they're like, we know that you've taken Guillermo. And we have arrived at this place at the same time. But this is the whole point of why they took Guillermo because they're trying to lure these guys to cause the ruckus. Yeah. I think that they are also, I wonder whether or not it's in play where it's like if Guillermo doesn't make it back alive, better that than he goes to, right, to provide information, provides information. Yeah. I'm always rooting for Guillermo's because that was my name in Spanish class. Yeah. I was Guillermo. It's great. Nice. How can we even stick with it? Come on, see, I'm a Guillermo. I didn't stick with it. I did seven years of Spanish. Never took it. It's not too late to change it. Couldn't just couldn't get over the hump. That was said, you had to go abroad and speak it for like two months. I'm just like, well, I'm going to miss sports for two months. So you're still like that. You could say at the top of every episode, be in Vanito's Guillermo Simmons podcast. Guillermo. A couple of my college roommates still call me

45:22Guillermo actually. Yeah. There you go. It's incredible. War is cred. Next rewatchable scene. You would do great there. That's it. That's all I got. I'd be very comfortable. Kate and Reggie at the bar into the fight scene. It's hard not to think about CR when you see big bars like this. Yeah. People drinking bottles and smoking and playing pool and dancing to country music. Yeah. That's what I think I want to think of CR. I kind of wish CR was in the background. It's a great bar. It's a great bar. I don't tell you. Reggie busting on Kate. Yeah. But as she's letting herself go, it's just really good. Really good scene. Their chemistry is really good. Yeah. Too big. Yeah. He's not get out guy yet. We don't really have a history with him. No. You can see though in the movie now when you watch, you're like, oh, yeah, he's fucking cool. He's charismatic. Yeah. He's got a lot to him. Yeah. It's a nothing part. And he's got a lot to him that birth thought comes in. God damn, Reggie. Perthal puts a lot of Texas barbecue on that accent. Consider it's taking place in Arizona.

46:25He's like, God damn, you saw me at the song. Okay. Yeah. His chest out. He's peacock and big time. Yeah. Yeah. We get pool and country music. We get dancing. And then we get a pretty pretty heated hookup scene. Yeah. Followed by her noticing that wait, this guy has the money clip in his pants. That's probably not a good song. And then she almost gets strangled to death. And it turns out that, uh, Del Toro has been peeping. He's been doing the, has the peeping Tom. Yeah. Tom A Alejandro has the peeping. He, uh, you think it's like a binocular situation or was he just right outside the door? I think his question did they, did they also hope this was going to happen? I think once she goes in the bank, like Graver says, like she's like, he used me as bait and Graver's like, you made yourself beat. You went, I told John's going to bank. They're going to be watching you. I put torturing Bertol in the car, because just because I could have watched it for 20 more minutes. At one point, Del Toro just

47:28sticks his entire finger and Bertol's here. I don't know how they did it. I have apex amount of wheelies. I don't know that it's ever been more powerful. I think Bertol sells it very well. Like he's really working hard. He did, like he bent the finger this way. So when he put it in it seemed really seemed like it was in there. Graver's line about like, I get to decide whether you go to a work camp in Missouri or a kill house like Corcoran. I was like holy shit. It's great. I can watch that for five more minutes because he has a very soft tinge of evil. Like every one of us, like here's a fucked up thing. The infrared tunnel sneak attack, we talked about it. Alejandro goes rogue, grabs a guy, shoots our shoots our girl Kate twice. Oh my god, dude. One of the great day. He shot her, but I forgot you were wearing a boat professed and you're not dead, but whatever. Um, bro and telling Kate who Alejandro is really good. And then she's like, I'm just gonna go and she's like, that would be a major mistake.

48:33And then I got the dinner scene. It's the dinner scene. Is that what you're calling it? Yeah. I'm a warden. It's one by Houston's. Yeah. I'm a warden. It's the big 100 burger or Moe Green's death, like the massage scene. The big 100 burger work for best use of food and drink. Keep eating. Uh, go ahead and finish your meal. What were they? Like lamb shank or something on the meal or like, uh, look for it after some food. Yeah. Yeah, it looked like the chef had really put some time. Yeah, I agree. We're a dinner guest of all times here. Well, uh, you know, there's a right way to give them a yelp. So I don't know what to say. Good conversationalist, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's had a lot of questions. Yeah. Just they're just hanging out talking about the opportunity of engine angels. Yeah. Yeah. In any other movie, this is the best scene in the movie. And this is somehow the second best scene, maybe the third best scene in the movie. That's kind of amazing. Boom, boom, boom, shooting. I don't know how you do that. They like, we're killing the kid. We're killing both kids. That's also something that

49:3599% of movies just do not do. And this is the biggest difference between the movie and the script. Script is pretty wonky. He's like, tells the wife to take the kids and like, hope that they become doctors and like, they, they go run off and then he kills faster. And it's like the, you have to, you have to have Alejandro completely lose himself in that scene to become like what it is that he's avenging. You know, he has to take from this guy what he took from him. Do you think he could have gone a little harder? How so? So I fasted dumped Alejandro's daughter in a, in a vat of acid, correct? And beheaded his wife. And the head of his wife and he just gets a bullet to that. I think that for Alejandro, he's like, you watching your family die is the punishment. But even then he gave him like five seconds to grapple with that. Maybe let it sit for a minute. Faso also not doesn't really make a compelling argument. You know what I mean? He's just sort of like, well, I think he knows what's coming. So he's just trying to get a shot up right before the end there. He's the one last shot on, on the Sicario's life. I think it's just because he's in a

50:38hurry. Alejandro's worried that somebody's going to come. So he's got to make quick work. Could have been a little bit more sadistic. The shot the cut to the wife when Alejandro's like, don't forget about my daughter. And it cuts the wife. And she's like, you fucking kill this daughter. I can't believe this. Like, you're going to get me killed here. I like Craig didn't think it was sadistic enough for you. Two kids away. I'm from the bad of acid with me. Can you guys step in here? Last one is Alejandro comes to get Kate's confession. You were not a wolf. And this is the land of wolves now. Yeah. Great stare down. Somebody have for most of you watchable. I have the 21 22-minute sequence of the border crossing. Yeah. Same. The war is and especially the on the way back. Me as well. Yeah. Okay. It is one of the great movie scenes of this century. It is so captivating. It's my how to stake. That's it. We just did your how to stake. No, my how to stake is that this is as good of an action set piece as the bank robbery from heat with maybe the truck chase

51:42from dark night of the last of pretty much my lifetime. But like the last 34 years, I'm not going to fight it. Did we see we didn't see this together, did we? It would have been an L.A. I don't know. It was great. We saw the revenue together. We did see the revenue. We saw a lot of movies together. That was the last month of the grant. Yeah. That's right. I was breaking news. But did we see Cicario together? I can't even remember. I didn't see Ciccar in the theater. Oh, interesting. Oh, we had fucking all hell was breaking this. Yeah. Yeah. That was a crazy time. This episode is brought to you by LinkedIn ads. The best B2B marketing gets wasted on the wrong people. So when you want to reach the right professionals, use LinkedIn ads. LinkedIn has grown to a network of over 1 billion professionals of 130 million decision makers. And that's where it stands apart from other ad buys. You could target your buyers by job title, industry company role, seniority skills, company revenue. So you can stop wasting budget on the wrong audience. It's why LinkedIn ads generates the highest B2B return on ad spend of all online ad networks. Seriously, all of them spend $250 in first

52:47campaign on LinkedIn ads. Get a free $250 credit for the next one. Just go to LinkedIn.com slash rewatch terms and conditions apply. This episode is brought to by tax act like an expert coach tax act offers step by step guidance and guaranteed accuracy when filing taxes. Get tips along the way. Add expert assist to talk to tax experts and let our experts do your taxes for you with expert full service. Tax act helps you find the directions and credits you deserve. So you can get them over with. Visit taxac.com to learn more conditions apply. See taxac.com for details. What's the most 2015 thing about this movie? It's a tough one. It's funny to think about all hell breaking loose a comparison to the action of success. Yeah, I'm in a pretty crazy month. It's like I started a war trying to figure out health insurance. You go, no, you go, Sigmund, it's really hard. You think you and Graver would get along?

53:51Oh, yeah. Yeah, I would hire him. Did you what? I don't know. Just get shit done. Be the third chair on game over. Yeah. I have younger burn thaws the most 2015 thing about this. That's a good one. I got pre Pacific walking dead era burn thaw pre yellow stone Sheridan. Hmm. We're the screen. I'll come back to our our our tighter. What do you have Sean? I have rooting for border crossing non jurisdictional pirate soldier squads attempting to end narco terrorism with excessive force. Very 2000 doesn't really feel like something I would root for this year. Yeah. I also, I mean, of 2015, I had the capacity to be scandalized by the behavior of shadowy elements of the United States government. Yeah. No, I'm not. Pretty much. This is like being surprised that the CIA is involved. Yeah. Yeah. This movie is almost as close to 9-11 as we are to the release of this movie. Isn't that crazy? Really? That like it's like it's 14 years and 11 years like it's really

54:52close now. God would say it's the best. I have a couple would you have movie starts in brilliant sunlight with the bombing at the drug house moves to unrelenting darkness throughout the tunnel culminating with the tunnel. And then that last shot is just or the last scene with Kayden. Alejandro is all gray. She's wearing gray wall is gray. What's happening is gray. It's it's just a great arc of like cinematography matching story. I think the character introductions in this movie are amazing. Kate in the truck following orders and being a soldier, even though she claims she's not one, Matt kind of directing everything intellectually. And then Alejandro, I think we see him first as she's pulling up in the Jeep. And he's like, that's my bird dog, Alejandro. And he's like kind of standing behind the plane a little bit scared. Just awesome. I love a great character introduction. Hmm. What do you have? I mean, drug cartels running entire countries and subverting

55:53power structures is aged well. It's still obviously something that is happening right now. Mr. happy, you know, I know. The movie is weirdly way out of fashion, but also very accurate, like very act each other present times. There's certain things about it. We can talk about what in what stage the worst that don't make don't work as well. But then there are a lot of things that I think Sheridan's a really interesting cat because he is very, very smart about the way that things are. But he often tries to explain why they are the way that things are in a way that I find a little bit frustrating. But he's really good at being like, nobody else is talking to you about this right now. And I think it's important that we do talk about it. Yeah. So, you know, it's like it's in Landman. It's in Lioness. It's in Yellowstone. It's in this. It's in Wind River. It's in Hell or Highwater, especially in his movies, though. He's really good at being like, there's a problem in the country, whether it be on a Native American reservation or in the way that banks take advantage of small town people or the way that the drug war has kind of like subsumed the American

56:54military that are really, really incisive. And he's really, really smart about that stuff. Sometimes he like guilds the lily like five times, but all those movies hold up really well because his, whatever he was after at the time is on point. I think that the easy thing to think is that Taylor shared and thinks what these guys are doing is cool. And I think that part of that is because of the like the weird ugly beauty that Villanuev and Deacon's ascribe to the characters. I mean, like it, it, it, it definitely romanticizes to some extent, but like guys wearing the little provests and these dudes who know everything and take private jets, you know, but I don't think it's that simple. And I think that this was definitely a time period where he was a little bit more in tune with what was really happening in the world. And maybe like now it's kind of drifted a little bit more to where he's like, yeah, it's like pronouns and oil rigs. That's what's really important. But it's like, this was a little bit more like he had his finger on something. I agree. Yeah. And then he just wrote scripts for nine years in the row that leaving an office.

57:58That's right. Yeah. I have the title for age the best. Sikara is a great title. Yeah. And he like put it in the lexicon now, right? Combined with that movies that begin with info cards. You're usually in good hands in Mexico. Sikara means hitman. But at the multiple cards, you always know you're in good shape. If I ever make an action movie, I'm going to have info cards. They call them CR. We talked about the little touches in this movie, like brawn wearing sandals. The crooked cop when he pours the liquor and his morning coffee. It's just a lot of stuff like that. A lot of stuff like that. There's a moment where when they're driving into Juarez, she's looking at his at Alejandra's hands and notices he has a wedding band on. And like it doesn't get remarked upon, but she's she just has this great little look at him. Like I wonder who this guy is. The long payoff with the Mexican cop. I like, yes. My wife picked that up yesterday. I've never seen the movie. Kind of be. Oh, no. The Hayesburg. Yeah. Totally. Yes. Why are we here?

59:01What are we doing with this guy? And then it hits at the end. Yes. And then Bernthal, which is in general, he's done this in multiple movies where he's a good guy and a bad guy in the same movie. And he can swing. And he also did it in a walking dead. He's kind of like, this is his move. Sure. It's like, I like this guy. Oh, no, I don't like this guy. It's exactly who he is in when River, right? Like where you're like, oh, he's going to be the the the bag guy, right? He's like it in a lot of things. I think it's because he has like a very like good old boy. Hey, man, I'm here with my buddy, kind of energy. But he had there's something very malevolent about him that like, he pops out really fast. The way that fight plays out is really good because it's unclear whether he's supposed to, you know, like Alejandra does not think that that that Ted is an assassin. He thinks he's just there to like kind of see what Kate knows and see if he can get anything out of her. But it's definitely in play that he's got a killer. And when he's choking around, he seems to be like, I didn't want this to happen. You know, I wanted just to like find out what you were working on. And now we've gotten to this. It feels like a character out of control.

1:00:03It's just a great performance. I had this later for picking nits with that strangles scene. What's what's the move after? All right, I had to kill her. Like, how's he getting out of that one? Nice to be an XPD. I mean, presumably he can figure some stuff out. She's an FBI agent though. Yeah. I think part of the reason why he was a flawed hire on the cartels part is that he's not really in control. I was that this leads to my larger point. Like this guy, HR, court judgment. Yeah. Yeah. Because that's the other picking that of this is why are you fucking walking around with the cartel money band as your wallet? Maybe like get another wallet? Ted, come on. Stringing out in slow pitch softball. Maybe not like a brain genius. Good sign. Yeah. Jesus. Ted. Maybe not Brad Stevens. Why'd you trade Jared McCain, Ted? You just got a non-motor pick. What are you doing? Great shot, Gordon. We're most cinematic shot. We covered it. I got a couple here. It's soldiers disappearing into the setting sun. Yeah. Or Kate walking across the rooftop to see the fireworks.

1:01:07I like that one too. Yeah, that's good. Chess Rockwell, Brocklanders, a word for best character name. Fasto Alacorn. Alacorn. Alacorn. Alacorn. I got to say though. That calm, corn. You did. Fasta Alacorn. I think I ordered that. Fasta Alacorn. I would say that if your nickname is Medellin, you win the Chess Rockwell award. Yeah, true. Yeah. Kid Cuddy pursued a happenance award for Best Deal Drop. So every time the evil jaw score kicks in, which we didn't talk about, but our guide Danny was basically like, hey, can you make a really scary score like in Jaws? And the guy who did the score is like, I'll try. And then it's just fucking awesome. It fills them. It's your guy. Yeah, I mean, this is an amazing piece of music just because you cannot imagine this movie without this. No, it's almost wins the movie. Like if they're listening to slow ride, you're just like, what's his work? You know, like,

1:02:07there's no pop music really in this except for diegetic stuff. It's great. Well, this is a big moment because we have a new rewatchables category that are named and clear with you guys. Oh, okay. And I think it's a keeper. It comes from a listener name Abby Sol who writes, sometimes movies we love carry subtle details or moments that speak to the individual viewer, especially. My category idea allows for the rewatchables career to share one moment or aspect of a movie that speaks to them more than 99% of the viewers. For example, Bill loves Sonny Corleone biting his knuckle when he's mad. C.R. can't get enough of the Eric Stoltz drug dealer lifestyle in pulp. Yeah. So here's my succession suggestion. The Floyd Gondoli butter and my ass and lolly pops my mouth award for something I just enjoy. Wow. What a great award. How did we not have this? From this film. So for this, my answer for this for the Floyd Gondoli award is Gondoli. Gondoli. Gondoli. Anytime a movie with with drug staff and somebody says in the movie,

1:03:13there's rumors of a tunnel. I'm in. Yeah. I just fucking love knowing that there might be a tunnel because that means we might be going in the tunnel. And that's my Floyd Gondoli. Do you have one shot? You don't need to have it. I didn't prep you for this. This is, is this all one game that you've been building over the last year? Really? You guys would like the Floyd Gondoli award. I do. I'm trying to do a really good answer to this. Well, well, no, for the next one. One minute. Yeah. I'm trying to do something you, like you really personally liked something that you just resonates with you on me. I honestly, a dude wearing a bulletproof vest who has big horned room classes. Yeah. I kind of dig glasses frames. I said a movie with a debrief when there's a debrief in a movie and it's like all these important people are in a room and they're like, this is how it is and this is how we're going to get the guy. But when you see, but when you see a geek and he's got like an AR 15 and a bulletproof vest on and he's like, I'm, I'm just hanging out this air force base. That's like we're about to get. But I, I love, maybe you have this in half-ess internet research, but who the Jeffrey Donovan character is like based on visually is a former ranger who

1:04:18is in Norman Schwarzkopf's security detail, who is like a bespectacle dude who is like yoked and very scary, but also a big dork. And that fusing those two ideas together to make a character is really interesting. You're up with the Sean Fantasy word for stealth homage that gives every movie near to criteria or guys. Okay. I don't want to overdo it, but there's three. Okay. There's one that's very obvious, which is Del Toro says, keep an eye out for the state police. They're not always the good guys. Of course, Del Toro was state police in traffic for which he won his Academy Award. In thief, there is a moment where, well, in the movie, Alejandro ignores the maid as he continues clearing the house, which is an homage to thief, which is something that Frank doesn't that movie. But the one that I like the most, I think this is on purpose, and I don't know, is the scene that you just talked about with the Mexican cop pouring booze into his coffee in the morning. And his son has his face down on the table and the father winks at him and the kid winks back, which I think is a direct match to jaws where Shiders, the table with his son, you know,

1:05:24and they have that moment where the connect is to give us a kiss. And I feel like that's a nod to that. I have one more, which is just when Blunt and Kuley is show up at the motel before the tunnel raid. Brolin says, can I interest you in his tasty beverage? Oh, I was like, here we go. Yeah, yeah. You have a flex category. So you're okay. I have a special okay mother fucker for the lot of the exact moment in this movie jumps up a level and it's seven levels of okay mother fucker around where plus seven around the war as border crossing. Level one is when Alejandro tells Kate, he goes where he's sitting. She says where were you sent from and he said, Cartagena, like, okay, okay. Level two is Alejandro neatly folding his linen jacket before the up. Okay, mother fucker. Are you folded your jacket? Okay. Level three, the federal, the Mexican federal police pick up trucks going over speed bumps and we're in the pickup truck. Yeah. Okay, mother

1:06:31do this. Yeah. Level four, Steve saying spotter vehicle left lane. I'm getting a boner. Yeah. Okay, mother fucker. Level five, take your service weapon out. Okay, mother fucker. Level six, Steve going gun gun and level seven is just the shootout after after Alejandro goes, do you want to die? And they didn't you didn't hit us with the louder. Okay, mother fucker. That was great. Now we're up to the which is girlfriend award for Weekly Ink of the film. This is a pretty strong film. It is strong. I volunteer this. I think you really need to understand this CIA FBI mechanics of what's really going on here to fully understand this movie. And I'm not possible sitting in the theater in September 19th, 2015 for the first time watching this. You can comprehend everything that's

1:07:34happening. I do think it's a multiple watch before you really get it. They do give you the one scene where Victor Garber explains what is going on, which is very helpful. I can't I didn't dream this up. Yes. Yeah. They're like, this is above my pay grade aspect of that speech where who are elected not appointed. Yes. I think is very well written. I think Victor Garber is the perfect actor for it. So goodness. I I do think that it's like it comes a little late in the movie and maybe that's on purpose. Yes. But it takes a long time for us to kind of figure out those relationships. So basically CIA can't do assassinations. They can't operate within the domestic United States. FBI gives bronze team cover because now it's a cross department. It's a test semi legal task force. And everything went great until Kate went the wrong way in the tunnel. I wouldn't say great, but yeah, but you know what I mean, like they were about to pull off what they wanted to without Kate being like, wait, what's happening? She goes into the tunnel that she has been used

1:08:37because in the motel, she takes a left. We're probably she's not as she feels like we're as Alejandro. Yeah. Yeah. He had to run. He had a fantasy draft. Before they go. Thursday. Thursday is a drink later. What? And that first that motel scene, she's like, he's like, we're going on this op you guys stay behind. And she's like, yeah, well, we can't fucking go because we didn't bring our stuff because you didn't tell us that this is what was happening. So but all he basically needs is her sign off. And that's when he reveals that the CIA can operate domestically without FBI attached. But I think that would be the weak link, just that this is a pretty dense movie that of with a lot of themes that are hard to just embrace the way you would embrace some other to when you're watching heat, you know what's happening in heat the first time you watch it. Heat right there. I think to me, the weakling of the movie is always and I think this is a five star movie. So it's kind of not a big deal, but her still being insistent on doing things the right way even after she's been in the tunnel.

1:09:41And she's like, I'm going to tell on you. I had that in my biggest nitpick. I'm a little like, yeah, okay. He just doesn't let her go like walk away from that. You know what I mean? Like it's, it's, it is, it is a nitpick of mine as well. What's age the worst? I'll do one quick. And it's weird because she smokes in real life. I didn't like Kate smoking in this movie. I thought she was pretty good, but maybe British. I put a Tom Cruise, which end do I light a word for Terabon screen smoking? I just didn't think you ever smoked an Indian creek. No, what are those? I think they're bigger in the Southwest. I'm not. I have it longer. I have it shorter. No, they're just, they're just like a gas station cigarette. You know, it's like, go get them. What's your policy on smoking mid pod? Well, they can't stop us for live, brother. I don't know. There's just something, but it's weird because I researched it and she does smoke in real life, but I didn't like three pumps. I don't like the way she threw it. Probably not still.

1:10:41She's got kids now, but I think back in the day, plus she's English. I think she, the only time I never like reminded that Emily Blunt is probably much more delicate than Kate is when she lights a cigarette for some reason. Yeah. Mm hmm. It's like a very cool like way of liking a cigarette. I had the handball game that they show as they're driving in. That is the worst. No, I could have used like 10 more seconds. I was really enjoying it. I was like, this is great. She's got to go and add it. That everybody if that was what Benicio was like, welcome. Hold on. Hold on. I just want to see what's this point. You're not the hanging guys. Just the handball game. We mentioned Cricket Cup tag wandering around with a suspicious cartel money band. It is as well. And then Sikara 2 Soldado. It's fine. Don't have the same director or screenwriter. Yeah. And got it. It doesn't have the same screenwriter. Doesn't it? Isn't it? Sure. Yeah. It's just a photo. It's the photo. Sildema directed it. Yeah. It's fine. It's a cable movie. It's a pretty good movie. Chris is a big guy. It just deepens the

1:11:43graver side a lot, which is, which is fascinating to me. It's fun. It's one of the most evil movies ever made. It's fucking diabolical. It is crazy. I had one more, but what did you have for what sigils? Well, when you're watching it, and I know it's supposed to be a joke between the two co-workers, but like the idea that 2015 Emily Blunt is supposed to be this like ratty piece of shit that no one wants to date. Yeah. It's pretty wild. It's like, yeah, your fucking eyebrows are all out of control. You're like, all right, man, that's my Emily Blunt. It's tough. They kind of skirt past the like Alejandro's Cartel connections. I know that he says like he works for anybody who will put him in the like point him in the direction of the people who made him. But I think it would have been a little bit helpful and I'll like learn a little bit more about like, so the United States government is working in concert with the remnants of the Colombian cartels to reestablish their control of the code. That is what we're doing. Okay. I do think that that is ultimately with the movie is saying. I think that that's Graver's point of view, that that is the approach

1:12:46that the CIA is taking to keep order, which is, which sounds horrible, but there is a significant amount of evidence to suggest that these kinds of things have been done in American history. Sure. So it's not that crazy. I don't know. I don't know if it's age, I don't know if it's age the worst so much as it's like, you got to get on board with that idea for the movie to seem credible. The only other thing I would say is age the worst is that in the screenplay Reggie, the Daniel Collier character, his last name was Wayne, which just feels like Taylor Sheridan was watching a Colts game. It was a good name, Reggie. Or did it like the Colts? Yeah, exactly. Do you have any? Well, Juarez, which is portrayed as the scariest city on Earth, was not really happy with the movie. And Sheridan has said that it was like 2010, 2011 when he was writing the screenplay, which is when the city was really in very, very dire straits with the drug war. And in 2015, it was like starting to improve and its crime rates were changing. And then now, I just read that it has now fallen out of the top 15 most dangerous cities in the world. Wow.

1:13:49It has fewer than 1000 murders per year. Pretty significant if it was number three for a while. Yeah, I mean, it was one of the five most dangerous places to look for like 30 years. And the city has changed a lot. And so because of that, and you can like read all about this and all the El Paso newspapers and stuff, the movie has like, it does feel like more of an artifact of a time for that city. It doesn't mean that the drug war is so happening. Maybe that's supposed to take that as a 15 thing. Yeah. Although broadly speaking, El Mencho recently making some headlines, like I think that the the violence is still. Yeah, the Mexican drug trade is still very much happening. I think just in general, I, you know, the drug war itself is like as the eternal quagmire of American life is still going on. And then we mentioned the Martian and the walk thing, which is so fascinating. My last thing, and it might be a possible new word, but I was thinking about Emily Blunt, the hookup scene with Barthol, and they're really going at it. And anytime I watch something like this, I always think about what it's like for the husband or the wife of the person

1:14:50in the scene. Yeah. And in this case, I was thinking about Krizinski, just like, Sikara premier, so just to warn you, there is a kissing scene with Barthol, and then you're watching that on a 55 foot screen. What are your next like three minutes? I think it's why he became Jack Ryan and got fully yoked because he couldn't handle seeing that. What are your thoughts, Craig? I mean, this is why you're here for. I don't understand either. No, you can't come on. I'm not like a crazy jealous person. I just think to watch somebody really go at it with your way. This is also supposed to be a nude scene, which they got out of the movie. That's even worse. It's why actors, date actors, you know, it's like I can understand because I've been in scenarios. If you get to hook up with Barthol, I get to hook up with somebody else. I'm not even hooking up too. It's also then he chokes her out. Can you imagine being at the post premiere party and just being like, hey man, you're like, doctors, date doctors, because are the only ones who really knows what it's like. Actors have to date actors. Well, I was, I don't know what the award would be, but maybe it's the movie theater cuck-a-word

1:15:51because to John Krizinski, just watching this going, why? Why do you tell me this was in here? Why? The only good use of AI would be putting Krizinski in the George C. Scott and hard poor scene. That actually, that I could enjoy. Then I was trying to think what would be the worst one to be the husband and the theater for and there's just a lot of candidates. So let's move on. Okay. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubin at Partridge overacting a word. Pretty, pretty to understand. Yeah, what's going to say? I mean, guys, it's purple. It's purple. It's purple. Like, let's, what are you kidding? Purple, the finger is here. Oh, the color in the car. I'm in my head. Yeah. You have a flex categorization. Um, I chose when would I have died? And I wrote down the first scene, the second scene, the third scene, the fourth scene. You die when the background just asking guys to stop you. Yeah, they would have been tough. I don't think I would have been able to hang in in this movie. I think I would have bought it in the tunnel. How bad do you think two shots to

1:16:54the chest wearing a vest hurts? No, it's kind of good door flares to work. Yeah. That was the most think about you want to try it. Oh, is that like something that anybody can do in like an hour later, you're fine, or is it like you're out for a week? She's still wheezing when she's talking to, to gravely, are we talking like broken ribs? Yeah. Yeah, I guess. I think she has, when we see her and her apartment, after he's come back, I don't think she's like been on the jobs there. There could be a new ringer, maybe a new ringer video series. The new intern, two people. Yeah, it does have a lot of the chest. Two in the chest, Craig Hallback. Truth or dare. Truth or two in the chest? The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? I have a really, you did rearsal. I kind of did mine. The other one I had was just that this movie is like an excellent allegory for American foreign policy since the cold war. That it's like a, you take advantage of a strong use of the word, Al Gore. Thanks brother. It's great. It's our month. I got to bring praise. See how much. You take advantage of a crisis or a tragedy. And you pray on the personal or collective desire

1:18:00for justice among the population, or in this case, in Kate, and use overwhelming military force to bring an end to the chaos and violence, only to be exposed for having ulterior motives. Not that I'm saying the United States does that. No, you would never. Not on Netflix. No. Do you have a how to stake? Yeah, the success of Yellowstone is the biggest loss for movies of the last decade. There you go. It's a great how to stake. You've been circling this. Yeah, it's it's in the most emblematic thing. This is like this guy was like, I maybe I'll be William Goldman. He's like, just kidding. I want to be David E. Kelly. That's fucking boring. Three of the other examples of that, starting at prestige and premium and kind of like going the other direction. Not that Yellowstone is not prestige, but you know, a movie screenwriter who then just becomes like a TV writer. I mean, pits a lot of, I think, right? Is it great? I'll tell you the example is Mike White. Yeah. Mike White. Now, the White Lotus is still very prestigious. Survivor 50s, Mike White. Yeah. And jacked. Jack on eight. So proud of him. So crazy. I would be ripping my shirt off too.

1:19:06Yeah. Did you think that that was related to going on Survivor? Or was he just like, I'm going to get yoga. I think he's, I think he got yoked up because he's a wealthy guy who was going to be a survivor and was like, I didn't like you do that if you were going on Survivor. I wouldn't go because I have contact lenses. What do you, I noticed in Survivor 50, there was a, was it Stephanie who has glasses on sometimes, but not all the time, which leads me to believe that she does have contact lenses there? I was, I think, are you reacting to the not being allowed to have contact lenses or? I just don't feel like that. I feel like I'd have an eye infection the first week. Yeah. I was with the allergies. I would just flip out because the nicotine thing. Yeah, we chucked it. If you could bring us in, you would go on Survivor. I would just give it out first because by like hour nine, I would be like motherfucking people. You can't find out what's going on in sports on my island either, right? Yeah, but I think I would, being on Survivor would, you have to take a little bit of practice. Tatum's coming back on Friday night. So wait, you, you can't take 35 days off from this. You can have a stay computer or find out who

1:20:06would sell six or six. Yeah, we'd be trying to win the challenges. What if that was your letters from three sports tidbit? Your letter from home was just Thursday February 9th, Celtics 104. Next, 89. That's what I would have told my, yeah, definitely, five percent. You would have told Carrie fit as many scores as you can onto one page. Dear dad, the picture and find our peers. I don't know, like, God, that would be fun. You finally have the big play receiver. And you're just sobbing. I knew, Dana was coming back. Everybody else is like, if you go on Survivor and sports, no, the episode where like family could visit, you should have Chris. You guys traded a first-rated brown. You're not going to believe what you have been did on the season finale industry. I've been circling the five feet. Remember that scene? Yes, but it's now Chilean Maxwell. I think you just spoiled it.

1:21:13My hat is take. Benicio del Toro does again have credit for being a legendary stickman. Yeah, never mentioned when they talk about the thing known about him. The big celebrity ladies, man, seriously dated Valerie Galina in the late 80s. The lady from Rainman. Yeah. The lady from Australia. Claire Forlani in the mid 90s. Chiara Mastrioni in the late 90s daughter of Catherine De Nuev. Sophie Dolan in the early 2000s dated Catherine Keener, Sarah Foster and Kimberly Stewart. Also dated Heather Graham in the late 90s. Had flings with Alicia Silverstone in the mid 90s, Lindsay Lohan in the mid 2000s and Scarlett Johansson in the in 2004. Benicio just keeps a quiet like in Sicaria just takes care of business. No, I would take this for his lifetime achievement award. Yeah, no. Lindsay Lohan. Yeah, just just solve. You can find all of it on Google. Do they do a film together? I just think he was in the circle. He was hanging out. Yeah.

1:22:14He starred with Alicia Silverstone and access baggage. You may recall. When she get vetted by a couple, it's just you're off when you're busy. And she's an alligator, right? With him? Is she the wife and alligator reptile? Reptile. Reptile. Sorry. Yes. Reptile. Have you seen reptile on Netflix? Really good. Very, very like, I think you would like it if you haven't seen it. Benicio is a murder cop. I haven't seen it. It's on my list. Yeah, it was kind of critically reviled like Chris and I had a text message on it. It was like you see reptile. Yeah, bro. We were like, yeah, it's pretty fucking good. And it's like sneaky. It's like two and a half hours long. Yeah, it's very long. There might be another reason. This episode is brought to by the active cash credit card from Wells Fargo. That's a mouthful, but that's because it packs a lot in earn unlimited two percent cash rewards on purchases with it big or small. So whether it's buying tickets to the game and grabbing a coffee, it earns unlimited two percent cash rewards on purchases. Say it with me. The active cash credit card from Wells Fargo. Be a two percenter. Learn more at Wells Fargo.com forward slash active cash terms apply.

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1:24:20for point. I really didn't and I and I looked hard and I looked at all the best actors, best supporting actress nominations, tried to figure out the ages and all that and couldn't come up with a better one because you go like in halfway. I don't see it. The Amy Adams know like you go on through and there's a big sliding door here, which is that she doesn't do black widow for Marvel and Scarlett Johansson does it. Yeah. And is there a world where that's reversed and it could Scarlett Johansson be? I just think Scarlett Johansson by 2015 has built up so much leading actress, sexy cred, that I don't think you could just buy her in this movie. I don't know where. Also Emily Blunt benefits from Edge of Tomorrow coming out a year and a half actually. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. I do think though if you time machine Kate Winslet in like 2005 and put her forward 10 years, that's the perfect one. I think this would have been and it's

1:25:21a little like the Maribis town character tiny bit like the beat down. I think she would have been great, but I think she's a little older at this point because this character needs to be what? Like, I think she's 29 30. Yeah, it feels like 30. So I couldn't come up with the better dance of worst in this movie, but yeah. Yeah. Best that guy word Jeffrey Donovan is not eligible and neither is Victor Garber. Maximilian Hernandez. So what else is the Mexican cop? He's in the Marvel films. He's in Hydra. Oh, see, I didn't. Oh, is that the guy who talks to Alejandro and is like, I'm sorry about your kid? No, no, the cop. Oh, Silvio. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the bald cop. You guys do realize that 99.9% of society could not name Victor Garber, right? Yeah, I think I think he really answers Victor Garber. We're kind of a famous stage actor who is on Alias for like 10 years, but could they say that's Victor Garber? I think that's the guy from Alias. Right. I think it's sad. I think it's sadly as Victor Garber was dead. Dion Waiters' word is Bertha, I think. I got Donovan. I have Donovan too. Over Bertha. Donovan's like, I have gonorrhea and I'm like

1:26:27the world's greatest killer. Like, and he's in three scenes. I'm a seer. I've heard from Bertha, but I gotta vote it. When they, when they're about to waterboard Guillermo and he's like, I'm going to step out of the room. It turns the camera off. It's like the most chilling shit. What's going on in that scene? There's just, there's like questioning about what he's actually doing, what Alejandro is doing when he gets up close to him. I think it's supposed to mask him. Is it intimidation or something actually happened? Oh, no, he's not going to do anything. He's just taunting him. Sexual tan. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah. No. Yeah. I think he's going to drop his balls on his head. What do you mean? What? Like, if you read the cicareal reddit thread, a lot of people think he like sexually assaults him. Oh, I didn't know that. No. I thought it was like putting his crotch in his mouth. Sexually immasculating. You see that would be crossing the line for Alejandro? Not the waterboarding or mass murder. Well, and then the idea was that not the child execution. Reddit was speculated. He really think that. Well, that he brought in the water jug to pretend as though he's going to go waterboard him.

1:27:29And that's what the camera see. And then when they turn the cameras off, he does something else. I think there's no water going down the drain. There's no water going down the drain. Oh, okay. Yeah. I show the drain deliberately. I don't know. I guess that's fair. I didn't think that. I didn't think that's why it was all in play with Alejandro. Sure. Sure. That's interesting. No, Craig. Thanks for bringing that to a problem. It might be so I think he would have brought the sisters in though. Yeah, I think he would have come in and said I could be a real friend to you. You should be able to jump from movie to movie. In my mind, I thought, I guess I thought I I heard water. See I was done for the podcast. I don't know if I like Alejandro. Yeah, now he's really like disappointed in a recast the catch director city. Instead of where I was going to have float Philadelphia. Real nice. We're trying to get him beat out of Philly. Really classic. See our month and you're already taking shots at me. Fill it. Don't be trying to get AJ Brown to an AFC East team.

1:28:33Craig, you have a flex category. Do we have Craig's special camera or no jerk off? See our picket just yell at me. I want to implement a new tool for the show. And you know, this you guys are the preeminent counsel for Hollywood from the producers of AI Roger Ebert. Yeah, as the Hollywood Zars, I think you know, tomorrow, March 3rd is the NFL franchise tag deadline. Yeah, franchise tag. You can prevent a player from getting a second contract somewhere else and they have to stay on your team. I think there should be a movie franchise tag. And for Sicario, the movie comes out. You guys get to vote. Oh, they want to make Sicario too. I'm sorry. There is literally a franchise tag on this movie. Oh, so it's like a committee almost like in college football. There's 10 people on it. When this when I heard about the sequel, I was so disappointed. I'm like, and it's like, oh, you want to make Devil Wars product too. Sorry. It's been franchise tag. Five movies a year that you actually get to put the stamp on. No sequels. Wow. Well, you little movie franchise tag. You are the real like this. I don't throw it in

1:29:37Sicario too. I would say I'm closer to the guy on the Jags who was like, I'm getting, I'm moving up to get Traverse Hunter and that we didn't go far enough. Like we should already be on Sicario Cole and Coppose, which is what the third one's called. We should be, there's no reason that we have not gotten a third Sicario movie yet. If you're going to break the seal, like we should be on Sicario 4 by now. But why don't we just on the best version of a prestige TV series with Sicario? Okay. Why don't we have it like season eight? You need to do that. Thor is not going to do that. Is it? He's not. I don't think so. He's been feeling about Thorne would be in three TV shows at this point. Yeah. I think he likes hanging out and playing music and making some money. And I think we could have gotten Deltora. I like Deltora is not doing too much. I'll do it. I'll play Alejandro. I can do it. Now that you found out that he's a sexual deviant as well as a child bird. It seems more approachable. Yeah. So what else would you have franchise tag from this year?

1:30:38It's also it's like a franchise crossup. I mean, sinners too is coming. Yeah. That's going to happen. Come on. That's going to happen. That's a tag. I mean, there's not next. It's going to be Twilight Zone and Black Panther 3. But I mean, there's just way too much money there. So you think I'll set it in the 90s where they're hanging out? I think I think they should. That's great. Like Barbie, you franchise tag. I don't want to see another Barbie. They only made Barbie to make more Barbies. Would you have to franchise tag centers? franchise tag Oppenheimer? No. I want to know. What's Oppie to about? He's just like teaching after that, right? I mean, great movie. I was like dead Poets aside kicking and screaming. But with Oppenheimer, I wouldn't franchise tag limitless. I could do like three more. Yeah. Did you watch the show? No, the show wasn't. Who was the star of the show? I don't know. But Coops is like in it briefly, right? Yeah. He doesn't stop by. Have I said in a research, the border crossing scene, they had to build a full-scale replica of

1:31:38the Juarez border because they couldn't figure out how to pull it off with all the days they would had to stop traffic. That's for permission, right? They were able to do it. Can we close the U.S. Mexico border for multiple days? Actually, you can't. The thermo vision shots were filmed with an F-L-L-I-R-S-C-8300 thermal vision camera. How is using for us today? Not added in post-production? That would have been sick if this was infrared. Yeah. They only had it for one day. That's a good gondola award. Night vision. There's night vision on them in. Yeah. Yeah. But Propsman heated the souls of his shoes to see the footprints. I love that. Yeah. Great stuff. The word secario derives from the Latin word secarius, meaning dagerman. And then Emily Blunt got so sick from food poisoning in Mexico she required IV fluids between takes to make it through scenes. And then there's a part in the tunnel scene after the tunnel scene.

1:32:40Brolin's telling Kate about Alejandro and he pauses for a second or two and talking about her going up the wrong tunnel. And he said in an interview he paused because he forgot his lines. And he literally froze for like two seconds. But then in the cut it actually worked. So great. Yeah. For their fight scene, Bernthal assured Blunt that he was an experienced boxer and she could hit him in full strength, which she did. She does really take a shot at him. Yeah. The wild pony bar was in Los Luna, Mexico, 29 miles south of Albuquerque. 425 miles from Tucson where it's supposed to be closed down in 2015 after a fatal gang shooting occurred between the banditos and the poor boys can't have nice things. Now it's called the horseshoe. It's a public meeting place. I don't know what a public meeting place either. I saw that and I was just like do we have to go investigate this? What's happening? A lot of rewatchables there. Yeah. Public meeting like like smoke into your drinks beers or use like let's have a you just kind of meet full dancing festival the kind of like a fantasy baseball draft there. Should we do fantasy baseball this year?

1:33:45Please now. I think the ringer. Yeah. I'm thinking about it. You know, I got dead last one. Hi. This is not invited. Oh, you just want to leave this guy's out because you can't screw. Can't have hi. Wait. No, we don't look like for the sake of the narrative. Apex Mountain, would you say Blunt here? Would you go quiet place? I would you go day after tomorrow? Or edge edge. I would take quiet place. It's probably quiet place. I think quiet place is more interesting. I know that she's an incredible actress. I love her. It's kind of sad. I think we're what's been going on the last five years. I don't really like the choices. She's either like Oppenheimer and smashing machine. I think she's the worst thing in smashing machine straight up. Oppenheimer fun and movies. I really like five year engagement. I think she's good. But I don't want her to make three more of those in jungle cruise. That's I don't that's yeah. I have not enjoyed that stuff. She's good and fall guy. I like that movie. She is. Okay. They tried. They

1:34:48like that's a swing and a miss. And I like that they tried. Do you see project kill Mary yet? I did. I liked it quite a bit. I heard it was good. Yeah. The gas is back, man. Fucking gas. Yeah. It's it's really good. Uh, Juarez Apex Mountain probably not. I mean, I represented on film. I think it, you know, put it on the quote unquote map. It's a movie location. Yeah. Berlin. I think it's that run after no country when he was W and he was like, I would have been the one that this is Apex. Is that I would have if it made 200 million. But at the end of this year or whenever that whenever Ultron comes out and he does the cameo at the end of the year, I think it's infinity war. You do. Yeah. I think the what years of the level of 2018, the level of success of that Avengers movie and him being the big bad that the whole thing is centered on. And every character says his name. Now granted, he's CGI in the movie. But he it is unmistakably rolling, even though he's like a giant purple alien. I don't know. Can I tell you a story really? Is that a Marvel movie? It is. Yeah. It's, you know, Thanos and he puts

1:35:51the glove on. You know, the glove with the gems of it. Sure. The Infinity Stones, the Infinity Gauntlet. Totally. I was driving out Santa Monica yesterday and I was at a red light and a gentleman who had probably seen better times in his life was riding a bicycle past me and he stopped on the sidewalk and reached down for something. And I was like, wonder what this guy's up to. And he picked up the the glove from the Infinity Gauntlet. And yeah, the Infinity Gauntlet. And he was like looking at it. And I was like, what if it's the real gauntlet? You know, like, what if this guy just found the stones? No, but there was something in it. Like, I think he was doing a drug deal. But like, it was pretty amazing. He hiding heroin in it. Whatever he found in there, he was excited. Yeah. And it was, it was rolling. Yeah, it was, it was rolling. Cartel movies? Yes. Try and think what's the competition? I mean, Scarface, of course. It had been largely Narcos. You know what I mean? Like on, I can't remember when Narcos debuted.

1:36:52I think after this, I would have Scarface over Scarface. Just because it has a longer tail. It's 43 years of people watching Scarface versus 10 for Scarface. Okay. But 10 years from now, we'll look at it. Yeah. I mean, do you consider like Carlitos way a Cartel movie? Not really. More of a more of a New York crime movie. It's not a lot of great movies. The term movie in this. I mean, obviously, Vincent Chase is masterpiece Medellin. Yeah, that's true. Forget about that. That's a vassage as a plot device. Oh, God. I don't know if we've topped it. I'll say Tim Burton's Batman. Oh, yeah. The Joker goes in. Oh, good. It's right. Del Toro. I guess traffic is this 8x mountain because he wasn't asked for that. Traffic made more money than it's probably, I would imagine. Yeah, probably traffic. He's been pretty much dope for 20 years now, though. Like every time he shows them, so they're like, oh, hey, Vinicile movie.

1:37:52Caluilla. No. Dead people buried in walls probably. Can't think it's about more effective. I really like when the bullet and he's looking through, it's like, what the fuck? Burnt all know, tunnels. Great escape. It's either this or fast five. You don't think the greatest escape is more significant than fast five. We're the tunnel in Shawshank. Bout tunnel more. Oh, Shawshank. Yeah. Fast five. Great escape. Uh-huh. Sicaria. We're good. One battle tunnel more. The Leo crossed through the tunnel. That's right. That's some good tunnels. Dinner scene executions. Yeah. I mean, the menu. Little right. There's a lot of executions there. And then Jeff Donovan. I still have shot caller. Since you mentioned Jeff, you mentioned the dinner scene execution.

1:38:53Yeah. And it is your month. Can I just throw one more flex category in there? Yeah. I did want to talk about this a little bit, which is the, I used to fuck guys like you in prison award for crazy as quote. Telling a guy a time to meet God before you kill his family is like as hard as it gets. Yeah. You want to say apex mountain for hardness at the dinner table, like about like if you imagine until a quick true story that just happened two hours ago, I pulled up to your house and I was shoveling a salad in my face so that I could get some food in before this recording and parked right outside the place. And uh, car rolls up next to me. Drops its window. It's Chris. He turns to me. He says time to meet God. He drives away. There's also a really good. Uh, I used to fuck guys like you in prison. Uh, quote, when the Delta guy holds redged down when Graver and Kater going at it and he just goes just lay back and let it happen, baby. Yeah. It's like what?

1:39:54Cruiser hanks. I don't know. Hanks as Graver cruises Alejandro. Cruise as Alejandro. Oh, doing like the last one. Yeah. Doing Vincent. I'm trying to imagine him saying you were in the land of wolves now. I think you could do it. He couldn't sell the South American aspect of it, obviously. Cruise is the birth all part. Wow. Cocktail cruise. Yeah, but I'm a DJ, Mackie. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be pretty good. I don't think there's place in this movie for us to be rolling. He could. He could. It's this is more cruise than Hanks. Scorsese years Spielberg. Scorsese. Yeah. Best tang, worst tang, brawl and best tang. Hey, Graver seems kind of fun. Yeah. Graver. I would definitely get beer as a Graver. Yeah. I almost had Kate for worst tang, but she's pretty fun at the bar. Yeah. Let's just out of these freaks, man. Yeah. She just needs to be in her element. You just don't want to get into like an argument with her, but like jurisprudence, you know,

1:40:55like she definitely has got some hangups about just how long it goes. Moxig's. Yeah. Yeah. She thinks she's a Broncos fan. That area in, you know, one of those like definitely seemed uptight, but the bar you just saw a different side. Yeah. Those are some of my favorites back in the day. It's like, oh, favorite what? Just hang out with. Like those pool tables. Picking it. How did the Mexican guy miss Emily Blunt in the beginning in the Arizona? Oh, she opens the door and he's where Craig is and just completely misses her. Yeah. It's like you have one job. You're in the federal cartel with the gun. The federal guy. Yeah. The guy when she opens the door and he shoots at her and she kills him. Yeah. You'll find out soon with two shots with Craig Holbeck coming up next. I thought that he might be going aiming for the Delta guys. Oh, I guess he was shooting because he shoots out the window. Yeah, he's a bad shot. At the wild pony, uh, Kate orders two beers. It's a pet peeve of mine for all movies and TV when people don't say the

1:41:59beer. Yeah. McLeod Bolcher would been great because we love McLeod Bolcher. Sure. I'm always like when they're protecting the integrity of we can't have spot. Like you're doing all this other stuff in the movie. And it's like you have to draw the line and integrity just to have her say two beers. Nobody's ever ordered two beers. What was the prime of fear fight that we had though where it was like was it the usual? What was the order that he does the bar? And you guys were like, this is not correct. I was on the opposite side of you guys. Yeah, you were like, I would love to be able to say the usual and I get like a nice cold martini or something. But we make up names. All these things in movies just make up a name of beer. So like, give me the uh, Amarillo and Amarillo light. Great. Okay. Just give her the Amarillo lights and we're ready to go. So this is really more like you have an issue with the prop master. It should have been working a little harder. It takes me out of the movie. I share with you. There's two beers. I feel like I'm watching a movie is so authentic except for somebody being like two beers. What do you think she likes to drink in real life? Oh, she's definitely pounding light beers. Yeah. Yeah. Wish shots. Yeah. Yeah. To kill a couple shots. Yeah. Make a low bullshite boiler maker. Yeah. 90 calorie light beers

1:43:02but with shots. And she definitely didn't eat all day. That's very attractive. Yes. Didn't probably didn't eat the entire day. After she has had a near death experience with Bernthal, she's so she's haggard. Yeah. Dark circles under her eyes are hairs all oily and she's smoking a sig in the bathroom. I'm still like, let's go. Dana, Dana Wheeler, Nicholas and award. I'm just like, like all the draft fix for that. Yeah. At the end of the day, she looks like Emily Blunt. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. They can't, they can't change it. Well, that leads to another nitpica head. Would you really have a cigarette right after you've almost been strangled? I feel like I'd wait six hours. Yeah, but when you really smoke, the cigarette comes after everything. Like when you really like out it, I almost had the life-shock to add to me. Do you guys have another? What were the cigarettes called? I have a cigarette after the Heinewack maneuver if I could. You know, like, yeah. I don't know. I think she would have waited. I'm not going to make the inappropriate. I come to arrest Alejandro and the tunnel is ridiculous.

1:44:04It's the worst part of the movie. And then Alejandro forced to Kate to send the documents saying it was all legal. Just sign it and then tell them after he put it on my head and forced me to sign it and I didn't really mean to sign it. And here's what happened. Also, just strange that after the Victor Garber character has said they have the authority to do whatever they want, basically, that they're like this entire thing rests on Kate signing a piece of paper. Now, that whole piece of paper might incriminate Kate, which also may be why she's like, I don't want to sign this because I didn't do anything wrong. But yeah, there's, there's like a weird end to this movie where Matt allows her to leave the tunnel area, despite saying I'm going to expose this entire operation. And also Alejandro is like, I can't, I have to kill you if you don't sign a piece of paper that we could easily just like doctor. She's caught him out by that point. What do you have for Nippix? Well, what's Ted's plan? Ted has been following Kate so that he can seduce her so that he can

1:45:08get the information that the cartel wants about what she knows because they spotted her going into the bank, right? That's the set up there. But she, did he know that she was going to go with Reggie who was a pal of Kate's and who could serve as an intro? Is that just good luck? It's the kind of mistake you make when you read a movie, not realize and people are going to watch it 35 times. Yeah, it's just a little strange. Try to get in with her and get closer to her. I don't think he's trying to solve everything in one night, but maybe become like a steady hookup and then he can get information. Okay. The same thing happens with what's Alejandro's plan. So it's like, Sylvia, are today no Silvio is going to be at the end of the tunnel. Like, what happens if Silvio's not there and there are no cars there? Like, how does he catch up? Well, they know once they kidnap Guillermo, they know they have like two days, right? Because they destroyed the tunnel. Yes. So they're like, immediately it's go time. Yeah, but then once you get there, how do you find Manuel? Yeah, like, I guess you just,

1:46:10they're, you have to assume you can get a car, right? And you're going somewhere because they're tracking Manuel, right? But he crosses the next. But having a police cruiser is like the ultimate hack for nailing Manuel. Right. How did he know it was dinner time? Could have come like right after when they were playing video games. It's a great note. This is really, really fortunate. Yeah. What did they show that? Walks up the kids are playing Madden. Yeah, fine. I'll let them finish. It's a fourth quarter. Are you running the spread? Yeah. Time to be called. It's going to take time to be billpour sales. Any other depicts? Uh, I think we've hit all of them. Sometimes it feels like Graver will be candid with Kate when it's convenient for the movie, but why would he be like that? He explains a lot of stuff he doesn't have to explain. Do we cover everything? Yeah, I think so. All right, sequel, prequel, party, HBO, blackcaster, untouchable, um, prestige TV would work for this. Yeah, I actually think

1:47:13it could evolve with the news and, um, kind of what, what should have happened with Homeland, and they just kind of fucked it up, but Homeland, I, they got so brody was so popular that it kind of fucked up the show. Every season could have been in different kind of conflict. Yeah. It just should have been new, new season. That's a good call. Yeah, that's like 24, 24. Sure. Very realistic. Um, the, uh, the sequel, uh, there is a sequel. I take a third, but I would also watch, I'll be, I think I would go to hell for watching it. Alejandro, Mexican prosecutor and Colombian cartel is asking like the prequel to how he gets hooked up with them. And also, I think that's that Patrick Dempsey show. I think that's the premise. Was that what was called memories of a murderer? Oh, and he's like a hitman. Yeah. Uh, I would also watch Kate small town sheriff after she like moves out of Arizona and he's like go to a small town where the rule of law still exists. I want the Jeffrey Donovan show. Yeah, well, that's essentially two him just getting boners. Yeah. Crack and wise.

1:48:18Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie, the Flores, Zane Low or somebody else, CR in the CR month? I'm getting too seduced by Zane, but I got to do it. Uh, Zane talking to Ted before he goes into the bar, Ted, man, here we are. You've been low, man. You struck out and slow pitch softball in front of the entire Phoenix law enforcement community. But you're ready to rise again, like a Phoenix brother. And here you are. You got Kate in there. Just make sure you don't use the rubber bands of the sonore and caught out of brother. Now that I hear it out loud in my head, sounds a little like Danny Archer. But I'm like, I'm saying T.I. You're romantic. We're going to add Dady Archer to the pasta. Yeah. I'm sorry, Zane. You're not, you're not sad, that's it. But yeah, that was what I have. Tell me about your journey, Ted. Oh my God. I thought for sure we're getting Wayne. Wayne must be a first time retired. It sounds like it. I think Wayne's got to take a minute. Wayne's got it. We got to put Wayne in the bullpen. I mean,

1:49:22I would use Fergie, but there's a lot of chemical way in this movie. So does he, when they, when they, when Benicio's finger goes in his ear, does he say, God damn. He does. He kind of does. See, does go, wait for a second. Just one Oscar who gets it. I would go Del Toro first. Del Toro or Deacons. Yeah. Johan Johansson for the score. I don't know if there is enough music, but it's such a distinctive. It's very effective. Probably an answer for questions. Is this a better movie of Kate shoots Alejandra in the head at the end? No. No. But is it a better movie if the last shot is Alejandra walking away from the apartment building and not going to Mexico one more time? Like, did you think that the soccer game was like a little too? I almost did nitpick for this. I didn't like the soccer game. I thought the quality of the play was low. Interesting. It's there in Mexico. Right. They, they started out. They start from the middle.

1:50:25It does the kick. Not the fucking defender misses it. Yeah. Completely. It's like, you guys, just the national sport, you couldn't have even controlled one pass. You guys are 11 year olds. They're playing on dirt. Yeah. So probably. I didn't like the quality of the game. I thought I would have done a second take. You go into the World Cup. It's very possible. I will. Why? She's curious. Okay. Are you going? Maybe. We have it. I think we won't have it. It's a waste. Yeah. Probably. And it's so you think not a better movie if she shoots Alejandra. No. For the record, I like the ending of Mexico because I do think that the movie is ultimately like, nothing has changed. Nothing has been fixed. I like the ending. I think it's a very strong point. And I love that. And these are the real people. This is interesting. And the Hayesburg know you point point you made about heat where it's like, you have to have these threads in the movie that show other worlds. It can't just be like two trains on a track right into each other. That there's other stuff that is affected by this. I think it's actually a very graceful thing that isn't in the other Sheridan movies that Villeneuve brings to it. Yeah. I mean, weirdly,

1:51:27the only character you really care about in the movie is Sylvia and his son. That's the one you actually have the most connection to emotionally. I care about Graver. We know that. Unanswerable questions. Is there a worse Halloween costume than dressing up like the body bags in the wall from Sicaria just showing up at a party? I've never thought about it. Who are you guys? I'm one of the body bags from Sicaria. Cool. What a beer. It's got to be number one. I guess being the little girls from the Shining would be bad. Yeah. That would be pretty. That's a pretty common one. You'll see that on about. Yeah. Burnt to a crisp Gabriel burn from. Did Kate remarried? Did Kate ever date again? Does the one now award what happened the next day? What happened with Kate? I didn't really talk after the five years. She and Ted got back together. They worked it out. Yeah. They figured it out. They nailed them out. Yeah. But he's in the kill house at Quarker. She's visiting them. Did Kate move to a desk job? What are her next two years of Glexia? A lot other than a lot of nicotine. I would like to believe that she still believes in the power of law enforcement.

1:52:33So maybe she's a cop somewhere. She works in a post office. Of course she's like a desk job. Selling knitting at sea or something? Knitting. Yeah. She knits bras. An answerable question. It's the Land of Wolves. Are you Wolves CR? I don't think you can answer that about yourself. It's like giving yourself a nickname. Somebody else has to. Yeah. You have to give yourself. You guys don't have to tell me. Do you have any an answerables? You got them all. Okay. Anything. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? I would want the rubber band from the bankroll and just like leave it on tables and see if you notice. I think it's the Berthol rubber band. It's my head too. The fake cocaine bricks in the car when Alejandro kidnaps the cop and there's all those bricks. You could talk me into that. It would be pretty great if that was my backdrop for this one fake cocaine. Which is the ease of cocaine in my opinion. Coach Finstack, Mr. Miyagi, where best words, life lesson, you will doubt everything we do,

1:53:38but in the end you'll understand. I think that's got to be the answer, right? It's bad. It's a bit high-fill working for you. Thanks. Best double featured choice. It's Sicario2Soldado. If you want to just keep the Graver and Alejandro train rolling. I chose Abel for our King of New York. Another like vicious movie about the way things are. I have fast five. Okay. Brazil. Tunnel. It's the happier entertaining version of Sicario. I know it's start with fast five and then I would go to Sicario. Where would you go? Happy. Triple feature. No, just double feature. You want to start fast five. Great idea. Yeah. That's good. And then furious six after that. No. Okay. Just test it. What do you have for double feature? Probably happy Gilmore. It's a really fun mode. Who won the movie? I actually think there's an obvious choice for this. I'm going to make a case for Taylor Sheridan. I know the guy I have that written

1:54:41down here. I had Beniccio written down, but the more that we talked about it, first of all, sends them on this incredible trajectory where he's arguably one of the most powerful people in entertainment right now. That was who I had and I think it's the obvious winner because he literally won the movie. And it jumps out for 11-year-end counting career that Sean now did test. Yes. Well, I know. I wouldn't say I did test it. You just think it's a waste of skill. Screen running talent. Yeah. Should you do the Chas Pometheus speech to him? Wasted talent. There's nothing worse. But I think it's some of his filmmaking experiences like making without remorse and having that get chopped up and stuff. I mean, I think he's probably like I want control over my scripts. I totally understand. Is that my camera? Taylor Sheridan. Don't stop what you're doing, man. I love your work. Do you think he listens? No. Do you think he listens to pods? No. He's key to why? Because he's writing like 10 pages a day for seven shows. I had him on the big picture in 2017 for Wind River. But he's the only guest

1:55:43who's ever called in by cell phone. Was he cool? Wow. He was pretty cool actually. He did all the video when you watch him on the videos for Sikario for the feature ads. He's he seems a little bit chiller than he does now. Yeah. That was your only cell phone. I had Alton from the real world calling once on the cell phone in year one of the BS report 07. I didn't want pointy but cigarettes. I called on one second and then he's like, can I get a pack of camels? Alton, who is of course the greatest athlete of the 20th century. Did the buker and Steini Moe used to call it on cell phones while they were walking around Dallas and stuff? Yeah. Yeah. That's why we had to eventually stop that combo. Yeah. It wasn't great from a cell phone. I mean, we've dude. How do you do a three men weave with a cell phone? That's that's the thing. That was we didn't know any better back then. He was I'm a diss dude. He was just figuring it out in real time. That's cool. Those were those were also me and C.R. would text about those pods. But like, did you hear the three men weave today? Pretty fucking awesome. It would be the three men we've chat for. Yeah. Um, God. Obviously, Sal, who were some of the others that was just like this?

1:56:49Jacko. Jacko. Jacko. Jacko Elite. Jacko had a great run. The Yankees. I remember the first time I heard one party talk about blue chips. I was like, this is blowing my mind. Like, I'd never considered this. Yeah. Who'd you have for who in the movie? I wrote an ECO down, but I thought that was a very compelling Taylor Sheridan case. Oh, I it's clearly Sheridan. Craig, your thoughts on Cicaria. I'm surprised. No one said to me or not even with the just one. I guess I don't really feel like we talked about it when this is the lowest grossing of his Hollywood movies. This is not like a movie that like put him on the map. Like prisoners put him on the map and then I think a rival is where he elevates. But what all what you guys talked about with how much longer the script was, how much they cut out of it, how they kind of actually that much longer. Like, pretty much all the plot beats and a lot of the dialogue is in this screenplay. They cut lines. So like a lot of Alejandra's lines were given to Graver or they get cut from the movie. In the opening scene, you said is initially of Alejandra killing somebody, right? And it doesn't doing a voiceover about like cut the dream that I don't know. I feel like there's even a part

1:57:51at the knee tighten the screws on this in a way that makes this borderline a perfect movie. And it takes it from a pretty good movie to a perfect movie. Yeah. Like a good example is like at the end of the screenplay Alejandro actually says the last title card about like secarios were go back to like ancient Jerusalem like expelling the Romans. He says that all that. And it's like this is really awkward. So Dato has more of that energy. Yes. It's a little you can kind of feel Sheridan's words more in the screenplay. It's a it's a very good point. I think he was already on the train to becoming who he was going to become. This movie becoming, you know, like I said, it's still my favorite. But I think a lot of people would say arrival is his best movie. I think the Dune movies are beloved now. He's had a really cool career. I go back and forth between this and arrival. I don't think this movie is nearly as big as the Dune movies have been for him. Definitely not. Yeah. And especially with 25 and others like my son had never seen Sikari, I don't think any of his friends. I think it's in that perfect sweet spot of beloved but not

1:58:53it's also like you can discover it, which is the best thing about it. Are you a prisoner's fan? Yeah. Yeah. Well, so I was wrong thinking back. I did not see this in the theater because I saw I remember seeing the Martian did not see this. Watched it on my laptop and I think I was 1920. And I remember leaving it kind of underwhelmed because I think I went in thinking it was a bigger action movie fast paced. And it's a little bit slower than that. Yeah. Upon rewatch last night on the TV, blasting the speakers lights off. This is like the best movie I've ever made. So fucking good. I mean, he can make no one's better at aerial shots right now than Dune. Those shots of Juarez, as they're actually giving up. He's like, I thought I had the helicopter corner for a while. You can watch a car on the freeway from above for like a minute. All those shots have all those shots have ideas too, man. Yes. Like so many of those drone shots that people do now are just transition shots and they'll be like, all right, here's a city scape and it's usually one lonely car on a lonely road going over a forest space. But just giving you it's not really Chandler, Arizona, but that very beginning of the movie

1:59:54when you see the kind of like weblo town almost this like suburban kind of it's kind of like the inlet in in the rip, you know, where it's like almost like an abandoned suburb that just exists only to house money. It does. Yeah. The shot. There's a shot on that when they're in the private jet that they've requisitioned to go to the Air Force base. The shot of like the shadow of the jet like kind of rippling over the landscape. It's just fucking crazy. Yeah. You hold your breath the entire movie. Also, we didn't do the category of what's the perfect. I was going to I forgot to set you up for it. The perfect agency this movie is not 19. Like I know. You just I you couldn't you can't grasp the what they're trying to say. And even now I'm let's like I'm now just being like, oh, this movie means so much more and you understand the subtext so much more because nothing is very deliberate in this film. It's all kind of something you have to read into. So that also probably played a factor in why I was as a 20 year old. I was like pretty good. I forget to set you up at the top about it's 200 and it's two hours flat.

2:00:57Two hours flat. I was shocked. I would have bit my life. This movie was two hours and 25 minutes. It's remarked this type of movie is always two hours and 25 minutes now. Remarkable that it's too flat. So was it on the Herald back scale where you think every movie has to be 100 minutes. There's almost 20. There's not a lot to cut out. Well, the only thing you could cut out is the burnthal stuff, which is probably saves you 10 minutes. I like to cut the burnthal stuff. It's also like that. Binds are at Alejandro. It's like almost why she follows him down the tunnels. She's like, I need to know what this guy is about. There's anything to cut. There's kind of two different categories of movie. There's like that 100 minute types of movie and then there's the two hour kind of movie where I think most two and a half hour dramas now could be two hours. And then there's a lot of comedies and rom comes that are two hours that should be an hour 40. I will say this. If you were forced to cut, the studio is like, we're not releasing unless you cut five minutes. I would cut all the stuff with the with the cop in the beginning and the end and the soccer. I mean, I just think that what you need everything else for the plot. Yeah, I don't that's like a luxury that you could still have mostly the same movie, but I really like having

2:02:01it. I think it's so grounding for the story. It makes the scene, which I don't even we talked about when Benicio was sitting in the back seat of Sylvia's car and taking him making him go to Manwell. Yeah. And he's like, you know, run your lights and tell him to get out of the car. It makes that way more tense because you're like, we've spent this whole movie with this guy. Yeah. Um, well, that's it for the first round of CR month. We have five movies this month. Next week, we're doing Fargo. Yeah. Week after just an answer doing to live in DIA LA. Sean's going to be an even though he's in like full Oscars thing. We're trying to kill Sean this month. I can do it. I just rewatched it. I'm very excited. We were saying outside we could probably start to live in DIA LA rewatchables like right now. Like just do a blind. Yeah. Do you want to announce the other project? No, because I'm not positive. That's this month. Okay. We're going to do a 16, but it's either going to be a male bag or the mystery project. Then we have two more, which we haven't decided on yet. We're in the we're in constant negotiations. Yeah. It's we have the last one. LA confidential is the fifth one. Yes. I mean, I guess we didn't

2:03:04announce that one. We just did. How does it work? Is Chris pitching you on the movies? Does he have you? No, he is. Does he can ultimately decide? Oh, wow. Thank you. I don't think I've ever gotten you to say that. So the fourth one. Why stuff to prove it? The fourth one. So the third one delivered. Does that count has been made and moved? Does that count as a one for us or did people want that one? People want it all. People are very pumped out. So we still have a one for us card for the fourth one. Sure. Yeah. Or we could just go nuts. Well, I mean, the streets really want a couple of big titles, but I think we we we have to hold on for October four October. There's nothing like doing hunt for October in the for the Phillies playoff. So we're we're we're scouting a couple. I'm really honored to be a part of this. See our month. Yeah. Well, every every month of your life has been see our month since like 2006. I would enjoy and the gift it keeps on giving. I'll say it's been see our month for instance. Thank you. Three years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we're getting great for the last one.

2:04:04You know, the universal approval rating. Like that's that's it should be his other nickname. It's right before the fall. Well, we're going to do that peak here and then everything goes down. But I'm getting you redacted. Unredacted out of Epstein. So now it's all going to come come to light. It's just Epstein being like this guy. See our loves. He Chris wrote that scene in Sicaria where Alejandro is sexually assaulted. You know, well, we have heat in the background. What language is that? Unypico. Did you didn't you didn't you take Spanish? When Epico the cream and the obsession. That could be a bunch of languages. I don't know. We're you could tell me that's Italian. I think it's I think it's probably Spanish. Yeah. The why is I think the giveaway. We're not doing heat. Way to go Guillermo. We're not doing honey red October. No. And we're we're not doing aliens. We're not doing aliens. Is he because we're going to do aliens this summer. Yes. He's because it's the anniversary. Yes. Okay. Okay. So no hunt for October. No aliens. No. The fourth one is going to be one for us. Sish. But we don't. But but people have asked for

2:05:09the revise. But I think we're going to hold on to that. No. Because I think we yeah. We're going to hold on to that one. In case Jamie Foxx wants to do it. Is Tesserando swatching right now? Do you think? Probably not. He probably can't believe he just got two point eight billion dollars to back out of a deal. The ultimate. He's like, you're telling me I get two point eight billion dollars. And these three guys. Yes. If he's tagline epic of crime and obsession. Does it say that on the American poster? It's an LA crime saga. It's the tagline. The interesting. There you go. All right. Thanks to Craig Royalback. Thanks to Gahau and Eduardo as well. Thanks to Jack Wilson. Everybody behind the scenes. It was very fun doing a Netflix live. Yeah. We had we had no real thanks to your gardener. Yeah. Almost ruined the beginning of the pod. And we'll see you next week with Fargo on CERMA. Thanks for watching.

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