Swalwell’s Donors Want Out—And Are Asking Where the Money Went

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Welcome to the Red Letter in the Terrible Mary Show.

I am live from Peruja, Italy,

where I'm speaking at a journalism festival,

the International Journalism Festival.

And I've got Nomiki cons on with us.

And where are you right now?

Because you're also in a hotel room, right?

I am.

I'm a few time zones away.

I'm in Barcelona, where I'm speaking at an international socialist convention.

Which is like, you know, you've worked in Europe.

So international socialists is not DSA.

It's like center left and some.

It doesn't quite translate in the US.

It's like, you know, Pedro Sanchez and Lula and me.

Doesn't make any sense for us.

Yeah, they do use the word social as very freely in Europe.

I know that from having covered the European Union.

Well, we're going to talk about today, though, is about Eric Swalwell.

And all of the fallout surrounding the very, very serious allegations against the former congressmen from California,

who was running to be the governor of California.

And he was the front runner until a bunch of really brave women came forward and told their stories.

And I said this before, you know, on our team,

we were trying to stand up to story and get women on the record with their stories.

And, you know, I've got to give it to again, citizen journalists, getting the story out there, independent journalism,

got it out there first.

And I'm, you know, I'm totally impressed with them and everything they do.

I always got kind of like the Ick from him, but not kind of like really the Ick from him.

But it wasn't enough, you know, in my, like it wasn't, I couldn't really report on the Ick I got from him.

But, you know, once we heard about real allegations, I took them seriously.

And we started working on it a few weeks ago.

But we just didn't get to that place where we had a person who was personally affected on the record.

But there is certainly fallout.

And I'm hearing it from inside Washington, what's going on all across the country.

I mean, Eric Swalwell raised a lot of money for this campaign.

Which sums of money from very, you know, from top people like talent agencies, Sean Penn, you know, tons of celebrities, California.

Like when you become the governor of California, you're becoming governor of one of the largest economies in the US.

And in the world, I think it's actually the third largest economy in the world, third or fourth.

And, you know, this is a platform that, I mean, look at Reagan, he used it as a way to get into the White House.

And to me, it seemed like a huge leap from congressman to governor.

And I've always thought he was an intellectual lightweight.

But these allegations of one moment that she was raped and strangled by him in a hotel room.

And, you know, even the West Hollywood hotel that she said she was at, she said it was Hollywood hotel.

The date tracks with a campaign finance expenditure from the same day.

So really serious stories, often the same, a man abusing his power.

And listen, I have been talking to people who both raise money for Swalwell and donors, and they're, they're fed up.

They're angry, they want their money back.

If he knows about, if he knew all along that there were a series of women, including one who signed a non disparagement according to Politico, and I'll tell you the exact year.

When this happened, former Swalwell staff agreed not to disparage him in discrimination settlement.

This is a, it was not related to sexual harassment, but it was still a dis, a non disparagement agreement.

And, you know, just the fact that he had one of these is, to me, very concerning.

He obviously was well aware of that if he'd behaved this way to numerous women that it would eventually derail his career.

And people, you know, they give him a ton of money to his campaign.

And they expect it to be used by a candidate not to be funding a legal defense fund.

And so I've heard both from, you know, one donor who said on background, I'm okay if the money goes to the staffers.

I just can't go to his legal defense fund.

Steven Klubach, who gave him a million dollars, he was the guy who was actually letting him hide away in his house while the allegations were coming out.

I think it wasn't probably until that video came out that showed him in bed with a woman that he realized get the F out of my house.

He's suing him to the money to get it to get it back.

I heard from, I heard that a fundraiser is also getting a lot of calls where people are asking for the money back.

I don't know, though, you've actually been a fundraiser.

Is that grounds to give the money back?

I mean, can you complain and get your money back when you donate to it?

I think you can.

I don't know actually if there's a limit, like I've never worked on the compliance side.

I don't know if there's some sort of legal parameters around it.

I've been in the position myself where I donated to somebody last year and then they changed their positions and supported Andrew Cuomo.

It's not hard to figure out who that is.

And I wanted my money back.

So people do do that often.

I think it depends on, this was state not federal.

So I don't know what California's state rules are in terms of fundraising.

But I assume that you probably can't get your money back in some capacity.

And, you know, there's limits on very high limits in California for the gubernatorial race.

So it's not like Quebec.

This billionaire is running out of money.

I think it's more ceremonial and also to cover his butt a little bit because, you know, he didn't.

The allegations were out there while he was housing him.

And at Quebec, you know, he's no saint himself.

He's a very, let's just say combative person online.

Everybody has fun.

I spoke to him a few days ago.

He called me and I was like, how did you not know about the reputation that Eric Swallow had?

And I actually felt that way in terms of like, I feel like a lot of people should have known.

It was kind of one of the worst type secrets on the hill that he would, that he pursued younger people or staffers or at least was like inappropriate, like a flirty way.

But the rape allegations I did not know about.

And yeah, it's really serious.

Oh wait, we're frozen.

Two of us in two different countries.

Did you know?

So in 2018, I was at a DNC meeting in Chicago.

And I was on this commission called the Unity Reform Commission.

And we had just, we spent a couple of years going around country trying to pass these reforms after 2016.

The final vote was at the DNC meeting in Chicago with all the DNC members.

And we won the vote.

And afterwards everybody was in the hotel lounge celebrating, you know, having Perseco or whatever.

I mean, it was the commissioners and it was DNC members and it was lots of officials.

So I'm sitting at the table with some commissioners and other people.

And Eric Swallow comes over.

I didn't know who he was.

He was a recently elected congressman.

I think he was on his first or second term.

And he sat down with us and he bought me a Perseco, which I just thought was to celebrate.

And then he started to like zoom in on me and lean in.

And then he got up and he went to the bar again to get another drink.

And somebody at the table said to me, you know, usually aggressively flirting with you.

We were all talking as a group and then suddenly he's just like all on me and like, you know, touchy feeling, like touching my hands.

And they're like, he's married.

And I was like, well, I'm not interested in him.

But then I was thinking as I was sitting there in that moment in 2018, as he was touchy feeling.

And it was very clear to everybody that he was flirting with me and that he was married.

I was just thinking, I don't want to be seen talking to somebody who's married.

So I got really under control because I didn't want my reputation to be affected by that.

Even if I was not, you know, flirting back.

So I got up and I left flash forward six years later.

He shows up in my DMs again in on X.

And it was about something completely unrelated.

And I was like an opening for a conversation.

And I literally don't think he knew who I was from the first time.

So what might take away from that experience?

Nothing happened between us was that he was doing it out in the open in a DNC meeting with like Donna Brazil in the room.

And like senators and Congress members and DNC members and press.

And I'm like, you are so reckless that you are just out here in the open acting like this.

So it wasn't open secret that he was he at least cheated on his wife.

Like, I, you know, for me, I didn't know anything beyond that.

And it wasn't anything, you know, super alarm because there's plenty of people unfortunately who act like that.

But what I really get under my skin is how this man thought he could get away with it in 2026.

This isn't like JFK where you can like hide all of his, you know, his behaviors.

This is an era where we're going to post me to era, you know, Anthony Wiener got caught doing what he did like 15 years ago.

He's sending photos. He's showing, he's in writing.

And he thought he was going to be governor.

He thought he was still going to be congressman that he would get away with us.

That's like a whole other level of narcissism and poor judgment and, you know, poor judgment in a criminal way potentially.

But poor judgment, you shouldn't be governor.

You shouldn't even be in a lexed position at this point.

I think he's sociopathic, honestly.

I do.

There is, there was, I always got the feeling from him there was something off, just got the egg.

Yeah, it is, it's crazy.

And I just, you have to think to yourself, though, how much should democratic leadership know exactly?

That's the question.

And it was the first thing came to my mind having had that memory.

And that story that I told you has come up several times with past few years where people have mentioned it and said,

I remember that time when he was like really creepy and I'm like, yeah, I was released.

Don't know him at all.

But what kills me is we're acting like this is house of cards.

You know, we all know then Washington leadership on both sides.

They barter on secrets.

And I wish we could have a more open conversation about this because, you know, the amount of energy Democrats put into mainstream, you know,

they establish, let's just say, puts into defeating, you know, progressives going after a sunpiker or whatever,

which are completely inconsequential, except for their bottom line.

They put all that energy into that, but they have this protection racket for some like criminals in our, in our party.

People that I have no doubt there's more people like this.

I have no, you know, we've been hearing rumors.

People been online sharing rumors about like folks bringing staffers into their offices late at night.

I mean, there's cameras.

There's security.

There's an infrastructure in place where you can go to HR.

You can go to leadership and tell them about these things.

So I want to know about the investigations.

And if there is an investigation, I think that they need to change the rules to make it public.

Because if you're investigated for financial fraud or anything else that happens in Congress, you should also be public if you have sexual harassment or worse.

Yeah, you should.

And if you've ever signed a non disparagement with someone, I think as a civil servant, you should have to disclose that people, because that can come back to haunted.

I think they all do, by the way.

I think I've never seen a mainstream campaign not have an NDA.

And, you know, that's for, I'm not saying I'm not defending it, but I think that the mindset is your opponents can weaponize things against you.

You know, politics is dirty, like you decide to flip a staffer.

This was a workplace discrimination dispute, not related to sexual harassment.

But they feared retaliation.

No, I think you're right.

I think you're right about that.

But I think there's something about the culture in Washington, which I don't think a lot of people understand.

And I was sort of talking about this with someone donor who I was speaking with earlier.

About how, you know, in Washington, a lot of these guys, they come into DC and they weren't, you know, the school jock and they were most popular person.

Maybe they were had a student government or, you know, they were kind of the nerds, right?

Suddenly they have a whole staff of young people who are all wide eyed and came to, came to Washington to change the world, right?

And they look up to them.

They trust them, they believe in them.

And they also basically live around them because these men and women are not living with their families on the hill for most of the week, right?

Like three days, three days out of the week, maybe four days out of the week.

And they live in apartments.

They live together sometimes like dorm.

They live like they're in dorms.

And they spend their nights not with their families.

They spend them with lobbyists.

They spend their nights fundraising.

They spend their nights with staffers, reporters.

And it is a culture that kind of lays the groundwork for misbehavior.

And I'm not saying that in any way that allows for rape, this or that and that.

I'm just explaining to people what it's like in Washington.

And you're right.

And it's, you think about less, I mean, I've been on the reporting side too.

You know, when you're a reporter, how many times do you go out with drinks with a source or with somebody you want to, you want to get the interview?

You want to watch them, you want to get the story.

I mean, it is, I'm sure you've been hit on many, many times by male politicians who psychologically do not understand that you're just trying to be a reporter.

You're not actually like stroking their egos.

But the same thing with lobbyists.

That is the job of a lobbyist.

It's just stroke the ego of the politician to get what they want.

So the living in this bubble where they have people around them, they, in its false too.

It's like, it's, it's, it's not, it's like, first off, you have guests and you potentially have guests men around you.

Then you have this power.

Then you have people calling you all the time.

Then you're on TV.

Then you're going to all these parties.

And, you know, you're calling rich people up for money.

I mean, it is, it's intoxicating if you're not healthy psychologically.

Precisely.

And a lot of people who look in the mirror and see a governor, a president, we know swallow around for president too.

They are, it's a level of narcissism, I think, to believe that you could lead masses, massive amounts of people, right?

And you think there is a level of narcissism there.

I think they see people as pawns.

And it's kind of actually what, like, grew me to this business in a weird way.

I was just like, there's something like, there's a darkness to power.

And it needs to be remained, it needs to be checked.

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And it's, you know, I see this what's happening right now, though,

as a second wait to the mean to movement.

I feel like it crashed.

A lot of men reacted in this whole angry manosphere.

Men started wanting excuses.

And women kind of had to accept that maybe we went too far.

Right.

But it turns out like we didn't go far enough actually.

Right.

And so it's, it's really, really concerning.

And I think, you know, maybe if they change the laws

so that women could have maternity leave and serving Congress.

Yeah.

We might see more of a balance.

I'm not saying that women are always better with men when it comes to sexual issues.

But statistically, we are like, yeah, I mean, yeah.

And we're operating in a patriarchy too.

This is why I always tell people like that people have internalized misogyny women.

Some women do because when you're operating in a patriarchy,

you have to condition yourself to like it's battle the fitness.

So there are definitely women who, you know, are not maybe our cup of tea

in terms of like feminists of the year.

But for the most part, when women get together, we collaborate.

We care for each other.

You know, we're better with budgets and budgets are a reflection of society and your values.

So, you know, it's, I completely agree with you.

I think if there was paid family leave, I think if there was matching funds.

You know, in New York, when matching funds was passed in the city council,

the next year, it became a majority female city council of women of color.

I think you might have been in New York at the time when that happened.

So I completely agree with you.

And, and you have laws that protect, you know, survivors more too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Just think about like the culture in, in Washington,

how leadership didn't know about what was going on with Swahwell.

You know, rumors, there's a rumor mail in Washington.

What do you think?

Have you heard about him as well?

Or do you, I know you heard your audience.

Well, I had my audience.

Yeah.

Yeah, after that, everyone told me.

And then they would come up and yes, I've heard other stories too.

But it's not my place to tell people stories.

Nothing, not in terms of rape.

Yeah.

It was more just sleazy behavior.

Um, yeah.

And, and, and, and like,

I haven't heard anything.

Have you heard anybody from leadership talking about whether they knew or didn't?

Everyone that tells, tells me, oh, we didn't, you know, Nancy Pelosi didn't know anything about it.

Because I mean, of all people, she would be the one to know, right?

She's still sort of the grand puba.

Whether it's, and she's the first to call her for him to resign.

Well, thank God.

Yeah.

It wasn't a last anyway.

That video of him was horrific.

A Refect.

Wait, do we know where that video came from and who took it?

Mm-hmm.

Cause whoever took it, like, would know who that other person was in the room.

And there are a lot of rumors around that aren't there?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, and then there were, it's, and then the money.

I mean, like, like you said, like they're using their congressional funds.

He was using his congressional funds to take trips.

I mean, listen, he might have been at one of these places.

You know, he might have been in LA for a fundraising trip.

But.

Season of West Hollywood, cool hotel.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then also the yacht trip with the falling on the ground, wasted with the robe.

Unreal.

The next governor of California.

So the cutting would be the next president of the United States, by the way, didn't run for president.

Yes.

It's like we're in the 80s all over again.

It's really, it does feel like it's out of control.

So what do they, what do we do now?

What's the next stop?

I mean, I, I don't know.

I think that what my guess is, I mean, the timing of us with TMZ is wild.

Like they didn't scoop this.

But the fact that TMZ is now in Washington.

And I don't know how good they're going to be and how great their sources are.

But it seems like folks are now going to probably start talking about other Congress members.

And I am sure there are plenty more that have, you know,

misbehaved or used their power in inappropriate ways.

So it doesn't necessarily have to be like criminal, you know, rape behavior, sexual assault.

But, you know, let's not forget like you're in a position of power.

And if you are sleeping with your interns or your staffers, I mean, that's against the rules.

Like that is a violation of the rules and you have to be hit out of Congress.

So I'm sure more people are going to be speaking out.

And if I were a Congresswoman, I would be organizing as many Congressmen as possible

to call for some sort of internal reforms when it comes to how these investigations are conducted.

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Sarah makes good point that it starts from the top and the president has more than 40 women who have accused us of assault.

Alina asked about Amanda Angaro regarding Melania and Epstein and wondering if she backed down.

She knocked back down.

She's taking a week off.

I am working on verifying her story and what she has told me.

Obviously, they're explosive and.

They used to come from Amanda directly.

So we're working on it and to be verified.

And yeah.

But.

The modeling industry is pretty dark.

I mean, it's not much.

I mean, it's.

It's darker than politics, but it's not that much darker than politics, either.

Right.

Well, similarly, these models were.

A lot of them were.

We're traded.

Like it's.

That's.

We're treated like property and.

And everything was about getting a visa.

That is what I learned.

It was all about immigration and getting a visa.

Horrifying.

Yeah.

I mean, that's a lot right there.

Like having.

I mean, you don't obviously.

Folks should.

In terms of immigration work.

Yes, you should be able to get a visa.

But.

Having some oversight around these agencies.

I had a really good friend who was a supermodel and.

She was her mother was overprotective and she.

I went to her birthday party a few weeks ago and her agent was sitting next to me.

And.

She's like telling me how he protected her.

Throughout, you know, the 90s, she was like one of those 90s models.

And that she.

You know, they're just explaining like how.

How there were two types of models.

Like there was the one.

They're the ones who had their moms.

Like the Brookshields kind of situation where they're completely protected.

And there were the agents.

That worked that way.

And they brought in those types of people.

And then there was just the rest.

And so.

It was.

It was.

Incredibly illuminating.

The way that he was describing it with her.

So it was like it wasn't just his version of the story.

It was.

Her explaining.

And I know her super well.

And she's.

Very, you know, whole person.

But.

Still saw a lot of stuff that was inappropriate.

Her friends went through a lot of things that were horrible.

Yeah, it's horribly exploitative.

And.

You know, parents have to be.

They're especially when you have teenagers.

Right.

And you're dealing with adults who work in a very exploitative industry.

Right.

I think where there's the blending of trafficking and modeling.

Is when the girls are are living in America alone.

Right.

They don't have visas.

They are completely at the whims of certain men who promise them visas.

Or they're modeling agencies.

They don't have much money.

They're coming from places like Russia.

Brazil.

And they are eastern Europe.

And they have.

They very little power in the situation.

You know, they might be seen at the night clubs or they might be seen.

Here and there, but they're living in dorms and they're.

And if they're not making money on actual shoots.

Sometimes.

You know.

They're trafficking to men.

And.

And.

I hope this.

I hope the culture changes, but it's very underground.

Because these women aren't going to report it when they're not in the country legally.

Right.

And these men in the modeling agencies, they say we'll get you a visa, get you a green card.

And if you become famous and for a lot of women, they just want to get out of where they're from.

And they think this is their ticket out.

And it's.

It's trapped.

And you know, I've been watching some of these old videos.

And from like fashion TV, which is palos.

You know, company and it's just all tacky.

And the girls look so young.

And it's.

They're so they're objectified.

Like it's just the cameras panning from their legs up.

And.

There's really very little dignity in it at all.

And.

I know there's glamour behind it because it's fashion.

But I think it's actually a trap.

Totally.

I think every single aspect of it.

So, you know, OK, so you have the women who come from Eastern Europe, Brazil,

whatever to come for their for their for their families probably to provide for their family is at, you know, 13 years old, 14 years old.

Because that's when they bring them over.

So not are they are they losing their education or they underdeveloped on top of it all.

Let's not forget that in the culture itself, there's eating disorders.

There's, you know, a culture of like making sure that especially during that era that you stand your weight.

And so you're also not feeding your brain.

You're exhausted.

You don't speak the language.

You're in Cardi culture.

I mean, the whole thing is a recipe for disaster.

I watched it.

Did you watch the terror banks documentary?

Mm-hmm.

Oh my god.

And like she was a good one, right?

She was on the spectrum of like like.

She was a supermodel.

She was a supermodel.

She was a supermodel.

But like when she like she was always protecting the models when she had her show and in the 2000s.

And they did this analysis.

The documentary goes through some really horrifying moments.

But what came to me was I was like, wow, on the spectrum, there's like abstin.

And then there's terror banks.

That's the entire culture.

And it's just and on top of it, it's like.

Even the men design in the clothes.

I mean, just every single aspect of this industry is toxic.

And it's representing toxic influence to young girls public like in magazines.

I mean, the whole thing is like a racket for the patriarchy.

From the worst trafficking women.

To all the way to like a little girl opening up a magazine and seeing an unhealthy image of what a woman should look like.

Yeah.

This is all happening.

You know, when Victoria Secret was at its heyday.

When Les Baxter was running it.

Jeffrey Epstein.

Processed out.

Like partner.

Yeah.

Larger's patron.

Yeah.

No, it's it's client.

It's it all goes together.

And.

But emcee squared.

Einstein.

And what was he getting the girls Einstein visas.

Wait.

What?

I don't know this.

Yeah.

And Einstein visa is a lot but some of these models would get.

Milani has an Einstein visa.

I don't know if it's from Jeffrey Epstein.

She says it isn't.

But yeah, his company is called emcee squared.

That's what I didn't know that.

Yeah.

So.

That's incredible.

Yeah.

Oh my god.

Yeah.

Well, I mean.

But it is.

It's like, okay.

So the so me too.

You know, you brought up this at the beginning that that me too didn't go far enough.

I think what this is just my take is that I think me to.

But sloppy.

And.

Not that there's any sort of rules but it became.

You know, when people started weaponizing it and then there were a few situations where it was like.

Something was untrue or like the, you know, an opponent would like play whatever and in the political roles.

That's when people started saying like, okay, this has gone too far or like.

What's the difference between now Franken and a Harvey Weinstein like those kinds of situations started.

To build up and up and there was no.

I'm not, I'm not saying that like.

It's like, for instance, the terror read story, you know, the terror read story was.

People struggled with it because it wasn't enough information.

And so some of these things started to go through the court of public opinion.

And then people started to question, okay, which is true, which is not.

And we never had a reckoning with that.

You know, we never said like, well, what is me to and, you know, what is.

Criminal, what is.

Cancelable.

What is you lose your job?

What is, I mean, there's no rules for any of this, but we never really had like a deeper conversation.

It was just this reactionary like.

Man's the, the manosphere took over and, and you know, and I know in the Bernie movement, like.

Empty of Bernie people in 2016 got really angry.

Went online and now are.

They're not MAGA.

I just, I don't know what they are, but they're not.

They're not on the left anymore.

And they're not allies.

I'll just say that.

So, but I think you're right.

Like now after Epstein and obviously these stories of Swahwell, there's a reckoning.

And I think that's good.

You know, and that's how movements are, right?

Like they up in the flow.

They go up and down.

And it's strange to say to me, too, is a movement, but.

It's, it's.

It is, I guess.

Well, we're going to wrap this one up because Yomiki and I are abroad.

I'm getting like a, I'm getting hit with some really weird.

Exhaustion jet lap.

It's hitting me hard.

I hope you enjoy Barcelona.

I'm speaking at another panel tomorrow on Peruja, mostly about new media.

I'm going to try to post something there.

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I mean, hitting the phones all morning, trying to figure out.

About the fallout from this Swahwell.

Resignation and the fact that his campaign has been killed.

It's over.

It's done.

And donor to pass some might say, you know, what did he know?

And was he masquerading as someone that he wasn't?

And he knew it for while while he was taking money, knowing that there were.

Women in his wake, who he had.

Abused.

So.

No.

No, Mickey.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Enjoy.

Socialists.

You know.

I'm also like, I'm like, I need a nap now.

Thanks.

I just got off the plane.

I'm so tired.

Thanks, Jim.

Thanks for good life.

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Cheers.

Bye.

Bye.

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