The Darkness Within Hinsdale House, Part Two | The Grave Talks

0:00Welcome to part two of our conversation with David Taylor and Christy Grisham about horror at the Hindsdale House. So you're saying, you have this experience and it blows your mind because it goes so far beyond what you've experienced before the power of what it can do to an individual. Is that realization kind of what really kind of made you go, oh, shit. Like there's far more things that could go wrong here than I was even thinking. I just remembered something prior to I was receiving, I guess you would call it Claire Cogman since Claire knowing I was receiving messages from spirits prior to us leaving. And I made a note of it. I only told David I didn't tell anybody else. And while we were there that Saturday morning didn't happen until that Saturday morning that the little

1:03girl that had come to me the Thursday before I left comes up on the obvious obvious. Oh, yeah. And her name was Lucy. And there was a couple other things that she showed me that I still don't think would quite make sense of, but up in the main room where that mirror and all the stuff happens, I ended up sitting down having a class with two or three children about dinosaurs. And we backed this up with SLS. We backed it up with the obvious. We backed it up with the paranormal puck. Yeah, the paranormal puck. I was sitting down and these children came up and sat next to me and I'm showing them different pictures

2:04on my my screen saying, what is this? What is this? What is this? We even got on one of the spirit boxes. It said, transorists, Rex, I was basically in a class teaching the spirits that are there about dinosaurs. And then all the sudden I looked up and I told David something is not right. Something is wrong. And I, yeah, I immediately told the children to go run and hide, go find some place to go, just go. And I had to get up and leave immediately. So I don't know what happened after that. We got her out of there. What was what was happening in the back track a little bit? Because Christie was way, way she was really deep into this. So Josh and I, Josh has the paranormal puck. Tiffany is on the SLS recording. So we have this interaction with everything. The spirits or energies were

3:08touching Christie and interacting towards the end of what she starts going through is Josh is getting negative words on the paranormal puck. Evil things like that. On the obvious, the obvious is going crazy of saying temperature and then drop and then like now. Remember I got the cold burst and I'm like, something right here and then they verified it on the SLS. So that's happening. And then while this is happening on these two electronic devices, Christie is basically kind of saying her go by this because it just, it turned like this. And it was, it was one of the most amazing paranormal experiences I had. And it turned into one of the most frightening I had. And this isn't the ad here, you know, because we get Christie out there. I'm like, Christie, get out now. Yeah. And the other people that were there, they're just like hanging out. I'm like, you need to go now, right? And they're

4:10like, just kind of lullagging around as like out. And especially Josh, because I didn't want anything to be attached to him again. So we got him out, got Tiffany out, everything like that. And Christie doesn't know this because she went down and outside. So that's when I started to, to really ground myself and really trying to start to protect the people that were inside the house of grounding myself to the house and just letting, letting things know that it could not follow us anywhere else. You know, the house is, is the house itself. Things are going to happen. When it, what I'm sorry, David, but I need to know for my own knowledge, isn't that when it started coming up calling me the enemy? Yeah, well, I was going to get into that because that was the next thing of you were outside because, because you had, you had to be outside. So I still have the obvious going. And Christie is asking me these questions because I just wanted to make sure that that that

5:11she's okay. And to my point before the house is the house, things are going to happen in the house. I'm a big person about protection and about grounding yourself before you do investigations. No matter how experienced you are whatsoever, if you don't protect yourself before you go in, no matter what religion, you know, anything you believe in, you need to protect yourself. Whether it's the local cemetery or, you know, the conjuring house or the Hensdale House, as we're talking about now, Christie goes outside and we're asking, it's asking questions. And on the obvious obvious, there's, there's many different options you can, you can use them. One of my favorite ones is the true false option of where it starts drawing a line. You know, the energies or spirits are manipulating the obvious either to a red light or a green light. Every question that Christie wanted me to ask these things and the only one I can really remember is last one is what she was asking is Christie the enemy. And this one took about three to five minutes and it seemed like things were

6:17fighting because I think the interaction with the children upstairs was very genuine. And then I think something came in and said, this is it. We're not doing this anymore. And I'm taking over. And I think, I think with with the children fighting whatever spirit or energy that was, it was going back in Fort Tony was going up towards green, going down towards red, going up towards green. And then boom, that's when it hit red. And that's when I got very, very scared for Christie. That's when she decided to go ground herself out by the pond. And that's when I made the decision. It's time to leave this house. This house is going to start taking things over very soon. Well, I think you know, something David, I just remembered. When we were down in the basement now, I know you didn't go down and not out of fear about just because of the way the stairs are. But I was I was channeling down there and I was picking up on a lot of women, a lot of things that I

7:23think whatever was there was not comfortable with me picking up on. So I think he tried to control everything that I did from that point on. When it came to I was seeing things that he didn't want to be voiced. So maybe I made an enemy of him too. Who knows? Christie, Christie making friends with people in the other side. Very quickly. Yes. Yes. When you're there and you're having these experiences, and you said earlier, you know, you're big on protection and protecting yourself. And it's, it's not necessarily about this religion or that religion or anything like that. How do you go about when you're in that moment, protecting yourself from something like this, which in a way that really prevents it from breaking the rules that you're setting up, from breaking what you're saying, don't follow us. What's to stop it from following you other

8:24than you saying, don't follow me. What's going on in those moments? So with with that being said before I got in the house, I used the protection of the ancient Nordic rune of Algas. It is known as the elk is a protection that you I do it to the north, the southeast and the west. And I also find a tree outside that I can ground myself on to all the elements of the earth. I think those are powerful enough. And I think I think when when something is coming towards you or or possibly interacting with you that is not a happy energy or spirit, I think you have to be very very stern with it. Yeah, let know that you don't even know. Yeah, you have to let know. Yeah, you have to let know you're not scared. So when when you do tell that, I think I think it responds to you in some way. And I think Christie can kind of back me up

9:31on this. But you know, you just have to be strong, willed towards it and also, you know, just just show it who's in charge. I mean, you do have to show a bit of dominance. I mean, I'm not talking about the yelling. I'm sorry, Chris. Yeah, no, no, I'm not talking about. Well, you know, what if you have to, if that's what you feel like doing them, sometimes you can't control it. That's true. But I mean, you know, this is all around. They're in their spirit realm. We have ultimate power in this realm. Now, I'm not saying that they can't because there's times that things will come up on you. And it's not like they come up and say, hi, I'm about to attach to you. Sure. You better protect yourself. No, that doesn't happen that way. And I learned that at the Warren Paracond with all of those artifacts from the, yeah. And you know, I'm

10:35horrible at protecting myself. And I know better. I know better. But it's like, I want to get what I'm going to get so I can help people and, and, you know, so am I being irresponsible? Yeah, a little bit. Have I learned from it? You got dang right. I have. Oh, quick shake in your head, David. I see you. No, I have learned to a certain extent. It is, it is very important. But you can't make somebody do it. And, you know, it doesn't matter. Grab some Florida water. Grab some, you know, any crystal that is black, anything like that, protection, rosemary, it is simple as going to your herb kitchen and grab and a couple of things and put it in your pocket. You know, when it comes to herbs and things like that, and I always ask this question when it kind

11:35goes this way, it's about the intent though with the herb correct. It's not like, well, I picked rosemary and this, the rosemary itself is going to do something. It's the intent of the rosemary. That true and false. Okay. Correct. Yeah. Every herb, even the ones that we look at today as being weeds, have a medicinal purpose purpose. Okay. Throughout history, you know, they have, they have a healing aspect and they have a metaphysical aspect. So if you're wanting to, okay, say mint, people grow mint a lot. It's great for your teas. You know, it's also good for your stomach. It's also good for your stomach. You know, so you chew on some mint. Maybe it'll use your stomach or, you know, basil is good for dreams. Cinnamon is good for finances. So there are certain correspondences

12:40to these elements that already are there. They're already there. So if I'm going to do a spell, I'm going to grab the ingredients or and or crystals or whatever else moon cycle or, you know, whatever I want to use that's going to correspond to what I'm trying to accomplish. But then the intent is definitely important. Okay. Definitely important. So intent goes to, you know, all right, I'm intending this to be for good or I'm intending for this to be for bad or I'm intending to the it's your force of intent that you put into it. But all of these things that correspond, give it an extra boost. Okay. Well, that that's interesting to to understand and know in a greater way like that. Thank you for that. Why do you think the spirits of the Hinsdale House considered you the

13:40enemy? I think I think it goes back to and I'm sorry and Christy will we'll circle back to you. I think it's because Christy is so powerful in her ways of what she does and how she helps things and helps. Spirits or energies pass over. I just think when she walks in through and like I said earlier in this interview, it was power and I don't know if they've seen power like that before. No, and you know, you know, thank you, David. Thank you. But I'm going to disagree with that because there's been numerous people that have gone through that house way above my pay grade. So, but thank you. I'm going to take a different road with that. I think maybe in the very beginning by myself putting the offering on the witch's side of the tree instead of the ancestral Native American could have caused, you know, like, oh, you're siding with that side,

14:48which normally shouldn't be an issue, but who knows in the past if they had problems with that. So that could have pegged me from the beginning. And also, I believe that I was tapping into something down in that basement about these women that were never heard from again. I could see them in their like little house on the prairie dresses. And I think the male energy there realized that I was tapping into it. And he felt a little bit concerned or didn't like it. So I think it was just a thing of me just tapping into the one thing that I probably shouldn't have tapped into. I don't think that it's, you know, it has to do with me being, you know, really, really powerful. It's just, you know, sometimes I get the shit into the

15:50stick. It's almost like with the living, you hit a nerve, you know, we did that quite often in the living air with the desk. I'm seeing the turn here, Tommy. Thank you. Let me ask you this. And this is kind of a broad based question, but a place like the Hensdale House, it's just we're specifically talking about that. We can kind of dig in it with there. The constant investigation that goes on at locations like this, you know, that, I mean, this sort of, you know, basically paranormal tourism to a certain extent. If they didn't exist, you know, 10, 15 years ago, you had a haunted house and it kind of sat there. Now I love this because it keeps these buildings in existence. It helps restore them. It helps. So there's a lot of positivity to it. But the fact that you have group after group after group that goes in and kind of does their own way of doing things. Yeah, I mean, isn't is that creating, you know, basically just these crazy houses filled with

16:50spirits that end up making the house far more active than it ever was, but it has really nothing to do with the original haunting because it just becomes this portal or whatever of just these things coming and going. I've got a perfect, perfect example for that. Yeah. And I'll keep it short because I know David has something to say on this too. When you give something in, in, not not so much just Norse pathology, but a lot of the other pantheons, you have things like servitors, toe-puzz, aggregors. These things are beings and they are even elementals. Well, okay, elementals have always been around. They really don't care about humans, but you piss them off. It's not a good thing. But you can create human beings can believe in something so much that it forms,

17:55it's almost like poltergeist. That's how poltergeist are formed. It's from a living person that's causing all this anxiety or stress that comes out and it forms an actual entity with a thought form all on its own. Now, there's different levels of it. So you have a house like this with people coming in, then you have, you have actual facts, then you've got folklore, then you've got mythology, which those are three totally different branches. But if a story catches hold and time after time, after time after time, a person relays it and people starts talking about it. And okay, bad example, supernatural. If you've ever watched supernatural, they had a dead gum, Edgar Gore. The internet caused it to go into existence and it became its own thing. David, I can see your face. You're laughing

18:59at me, but you know, this is true. I believe in manifestation. I believe once you give something energy and you kept feeding it and kept feeding it and kept, it's like a cat. You feed it on your front porch. What's this going to, it's going to come back. These entities can grow into something. So what you had originally at this house may become the most docile thing in the house. And you never know what people on the sideline are practicing while nobody's watching. So yes, it can, it can have, it can grow, it can grow, and it can grow. And yeah, sometimes that's, I mean, a perfect example is that vegans haunt a museum. That thing will never stop growing. Never. And it's the energy,

19:59the thought processes of people. And energy doesn't die. So once it's formed, it's, it just matters what avenue it's going to go to or what it's going to do and who it's going to affect. Yeah, we don't know. We don't know. And to piggyback on what Christy is saying, there also is we were the one of the teams with, we went with PD region paranormal to say now, been sanitarium. We were the first people allowed in after they started easing the restrictions of COVID-19. How long it had been? It had been over a year. Over a year, almost a year and a half before somebody was in there. And when we first got in their Tony, it felt absolutely like nothing was there to me. Yeah, this, this was my thing. But throughout the night, everything revved up and revved up and revved up. And I think that was one of the most

21:06exhilarating investigations we ever had between Christy and I, just because with what you were saying of this paranormal tourism is, you know, people, you know, there's 50 people, you know, a night that are in that place, they're asking the same questions over and over and over again. So, were they happy to see us there? I think they were for a bit and then they weren't. Yeah, I think they enjoyed playing some jokes on us because they hadn't had any Tom Fuluri, I guess, for a while. Yeah. You know, but also in the same sense, I think there were some that were like, oh, shit, not this again. Yeah. Yeah. And, but that's, you know, I mean, they may be spirits, but they still have, you know, they still have feelings. They still have, from what I can understand for myself.

22:10You know, it's like, oh, damn, here they come again. But some of them, like the tricksters are the ones that come, what do you got fresh blood? You know, let's say it's, it's, it comes down to what you're feeling at the time of the investigation also. Kristina, I affirm believers of the best piece of paranormal equipment that you can have is yourself. So I've had experiences of where I've gone into an investigation and I'm not in the best mood. And I don't get good results or the results I get is something that is not being very nice to me or being a little, a little trickster or a jokester. I've gone to on investigations where I'm in the best mood and I get the best evidence. And it's, you know, and things are coming towards me or showing themselves or revealing themselves. Yeah, absolutely right. Yeah. And so it's just really, just really kind of comes down to that,

23:11I guess. And I'm the dumb ass that sits down and says, blindfold me, handcuffed me. And whoever wants to come talk to me, let's go. Tony, if we have one more minute, we, we got to investigate one of the oldest houses, houses in Kingston, Arizona, or Kingston, on North Carolina. And before, before the, the investigation, Christie calls me and she goes, so I want you to do something to me. I'm okay. She goes, I want you to tie me up with a rope, blindfold me. This is not normally part of the investigation. That's a whole other conversation. Yes, and leave me alone in a room for about 45 minutes. And I go, first off, let me get my wife on the phone because I won't hurt her. Yeah, yeah. Secondly, secondly, we're taking, we're taking video of this and I'm going to have somebody else in the room with me. Yeah, good idea. But that's what, that's what Christie does. She loves, she really loves the century deprivation

24:13part of the investigation to see things, to draw things to her. Honorability. Yeah, vulnerability. So it was just a funny thing of, of some of the, the trials and tribulations of our investigation. It's a good thing it was a phone call, not a text because that gave you taking really out of context. If somebody's looking through your phone, like, I want you to blindfold me and I brought the jump rope and I brought the Nike headband and I was ready to go. Yeah, the Nike headband, that means you're serious. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, well, it went across my eyes. That wraps up part two of our conversation with David Taylor and Christie Grisham, a big thank you to them for sharing their experiences with us.