The Most Confusing Players In The NBA | Ep. 196

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Every year in the NBA, there's players that play better than you think, players that play worse than you think,

least do a lot of confusion. You don't know what's take away from that.

And there's no time of the year where that is worse.

Then March basketball, we are officially in the thick of the fakes part of the NBA season.

Every day we'll look up and we'll see players who we should never expect to score a lot of points, drop in 30.

So that leads to the question, what do we take away from this?

To get to that point, we are going to talk about the most confusing players in the NBA right now this season.

I ask you guys in community post to give us your picks for who's confused this season.

We're going to sit down, talk about it, and decide what we can take away from their strange season.

Perfect.

Okay, we're going to try to weed out what could be fake, what could be real, and what is just the answer.

Basically, who's fraudulent?

Not even so, who's fraudulent?

Because a lot of these are players who talk about a lot throughout the season.

Mostly like good players who have had weird years.

It's really like what we can take away from them outside of the first reaction of Slander or being up.

What we actually learned this year and what can be applied towards the playoffs and next year and so forth.

So pretty much it's a recalibration.

Pretty much.

Yeah, for players that people don't quite know what to think about right now.

All right, let's do it.

Talking about you, Zion Williamson.

Talking about you, Zachary Shashay.

We know.

So that being said, let's cue these short music, talk about some confusing NBA players.

We're throwing it back.

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Browneaters rejoice.

Before we get into the main topic of this episode.

And here a quick second to thank everybody in the comments that was commenting about happy

they were for us to get the new series XM deal moving our show to a new network.

Lots of love in the comments.

I appreciate y'all.

But also, there was one thing I'd like to mention that you guys commented a ton about.

And it's our bad.

I mentioned that nothing would change about the show.

That's like 95% true.

It's like 99% true.

But there's one big change.

I should have highlighted that for us how you guys about.

You got to address the elephant in the room.

It's a biggest hell right now.

Yeah, there's no more video on Spotify.

That got taken off.

The video will exclusively be on YouTube now.

And we didn't know it was going to happen at first.

But it makes sense.

It's not because anybody wants to.

It's not because serious wants to.

People on the Spotify comments were like.

Big serious.

Big serious coming in.

They hate video.

They could have the video on Spotify.

They would.

It's a much more complicated thing.

I can explain to everybody.

I guess we can get into the weeds of how the audio business works.

Just a little bit.

Yeah.

Go ahead.

Also, our cat's upstairs going.

I think she's mad about new video on Spotify.

Yeah.

What is this?

No, Daniel.

What?

I got to go on YouTube.

Fuck.

So basically, before we were with serious, we were hosting our podcast.

The audio version on a platform called Megafone, which is owned by Spotify.

That's what Warner Bros.

House of Highlights, you know, Bleach Report used.

And that's, you know, directly Spotify one thing.

So there was good integration for a video.

So I could upload the video there.

And it wasn't a problem, right?

If you look across any podcast you guys watched, that's on a big network.

Like the athletic NBC.

Serious.

I heart stuff like that.

Anybody that's on like a network network.

You're usually not going to see video on Spotify.

And that's because the Spotify, that's Spotify.

The podcast audio like monetization is mostly built through these things called D.A.I.

ads, dynamic ad inserts.

You ever listen to a podcast and like halfway through, you'll get those audio ads that aren't.

You're taking them to school right now.

I know.

I know.

I know.

I know.

I know.

I know.

Listen to me.

He's like, nah, I don't care.

Sell out.

Don't.

I'm telling you.

Yeah.

You ever listen to a podcast and you'll hear ads that aren't from the people.

Like it's not us talking.

It'll be like a random person or so.

Yeah.

Those ads are called dynamic ads that change every month.

So mattress firm will buy 30 days of that.

And then their stuff will come up.

And the company will sell a new company to come into that for the next 30 days.

So your catalog can constantly be refreshed.

Huge part of monetization on audio.

It's basically like YouTube.

How they give you different ads every time you watch.

Same type of thing.

But it has to do more manually on Spotify and any audio platform.

Because there's not the like crazy, amazing ad program that YouTube has.

That's like a non-negotiable part of monetizing podcasts.

Spotify doesn't allow you to do that with videos right now.

You can't do DAI ads.

Unless you host the platform through Spotify.

If you host through them and upload your video through them directly on their platform.

Then you can do DA ads.

And obviously every network isn't going to do that.

So they kind of gatekeep the ability to monetize video.

So to go to any network and like tell them we're not going to have any demonization on the audio product.

It's like a non-starter.

It's just not realistic.

So our agent actually told us that they tell most clients not to even start uploading video on Spotify.

Because this will inevitably happen if people be mad.

I didn't listen.

I've uploaded anyways for the last year because I was like, whatever we can do it.

I want to give people the best product possible.

But it's just kind of an unfortunate reality that Spotify doesn't let you monetize a video properly.

Yeah.

It sucks to suck.

But we obviously have no control over it.

If you could, if you wanted to do it, we would have.

It's honestly way.

I like why.

Me personally over the last like year.

So I've been enjoying watching this video podcast on Spotify.

Because it's I guess a little more convenient.

Convenience ways.

But overall, it's still here on YouTube.

We were born at pretty much.

Yeah.

And I completely sympathize with people who get their habits disrupted.

Yeah.

I've got to switch to YouTube.

I understand that's unfortunate.

It's annoying.

But like you said, it is still on YouTube.

So we're not taking it away from you.

Hope you guys give us some grace there that your content is still exactly the same.

You just got to change the platform a little bit, which is annoying.

But at the second they changed that.

The second Spotify allows the ads to be in video and actually be able to be a reasonable business model.

We're so back on the way back on the video.

It's really just like if they go back.

It's quite ridiculous to make it so you can't do DA ads unless you are with Spotify directly.

Yeah, let's turn this off Spotify.

It really is.

It really comes like boycott serious.

I promise you series would have a video podcast.

Be on all video platforms if they could.

It is not up to them at all.

Can I see one comment saying boycott me?

I'm the reason.

Sam, we can boycott.

We can boycott.

He sells you all on.

You don't want to swear at that.

I mean, we can boycott the shit out of it.

Come tune in with us on YouTube.

So it's back and forth if you need to.

Appreciate y'all being hopefully understanding of the realities of Spotify at the moment.

Now that makes sense.

Let's talk about some confusing NBA players.

I said this is a confusing platform rules.

Let's do it.

Starting off first.

The most confusing NBA player this year that we got to talk about.

Lamello Ball, Derek White in 94, says Lamello.

He's elite playmaking and creativity can make him look at a franchise level offensive engine.

But he's scoring efficiency.

I said efficiency weird.

Shot selection and decision making fluctuate heavily from game to game.

Some nights is playing making his top three to five in the league like Halibur when healthy.

Where he can lead an unstoppable offense and other nights he becomes a high volume.

Low efficiency score who hurts his offensive flow.

It's obviously been great as the way for Charlotte since they've been healthy.

But that doesn't mean Lamello's inconsistencies aren't still there.

All that is obviously true.

Good assessment by Derek White 94.

So what do we learn from that?

What do we learn from the Mellow Balls confusing up and down season?

For me personally, I learned that Lamello Ball should never be looked at as the franchise level face of your...

He should never be the face of your franchise at all.

And why is that?

But he can be a part of your franchise.

He can be a very pinnacle part of it because of the ups and downs, the ups and downs that come with the nature of his scoring efficiency and ability.

Overall, there's things as a score that he's never been able to like hit home at.

One thing that people have been talking about for ages is like, oh my god, like his paint score.

And if you can do that for one solid season, like he'll be an all-star.

He did that for one year. He was an all-star.

That has just never been realistic.

So having guys like Todd and Brandon Miller was in coming into his own as each and every month has gone by.

And overall just like a good cast or amount of role players gives you a lot less of like...

You're allowing this going a lot less.

It would lead to more consistency overall with your offense.

And that's what I've been seeing him like, surge up in the rankings over the last three months or so.

Yeah, I think one of the things that probably...

Like we're gonna see with this list is...

We're gonna have to set the line for when you expect consistency every single night.

Because if you're like the 35th best player, like yeah, the highest...

Everybody's so talented, like the highest of what you're able to do is obviously...

You know, top of the world, like world-class, obviously, when Lamilla gets going, he's amazing.

He's not doing every night.

And so that's the difference between him being the 35th best player, whatever.

I don't remember that number.

Being that or like a top 10 player or a top 3 point girl.

Like those guys come in and they do it every single night.

And so if we're gonna set that line at...

Yeah, you're a top 20 player.

You should not have these many off nights.

So you shouldn't have these many inconsistencies on a game-to-game basis.

That's fine.

Everybody has a bad game.

Like you can be the best in the world.

Like Shay and get 20 points every single game for two straight years.

That is his standard.

Lamilla Ball, we are not holding him to that standard.

You know what?

So that's why like for him, because of what you said, like I'm not looking at you as the face of my franchise, he just is who he is.

I don't think we can no longer look at him as like an offensive engine.

Morso, he's like a battery.

Like you need him to keep on going.

He'll give you and generate power no matter what.

But to look at him as an engine, there are just so many like intricate complicated things

to want to ask him to do.

And you can't do that.

I'll fail you.

Okay.

W analogy.

Lamilla Ball, the battery.

Let's make that nickname stick.

The battery.

It's a battery and everybody's back.

And that's what you see.

These soldiers had this visual on the screen bringing back up.

The biggest on-off court swings and offensive rating this season, minimum eight minutes.

Lamilla Ball, plus 14.2.

And that's always been the case for him every year.

The offense has lived and died with Lamilla Ball in Charlotte.

In passage, this has been because everybody around him is fucking ridiculous.

And they're playing crazy lineups that include like four non-MBA players in the rebuilding years.

Now they have healthy Brandon Miller.

They have Conconniple.

They have a stable rotation of Big Man.

It's a little bit more stable.

But even then, everything lives and dies by Lamilla Ball's playmaking.

Because like everything you said I agree with, we should no longer view him as this like future top 15 player

that can be your lead score and playmaker on any kind of like efficient high level playoff way.

But as a lead playmaker, just that Tyree's caliber in light.

He makes everybody around him so much better.

Yeah.

And I just like this whole thing.

Instead of being the Pokemon Evolution to like Harden or Luke or whatever,

he's the Pokemon Evolution to Tyree's caliber and that's the change.

That's crazy.

If Tyree's caliber was 10% worse, he wouldn't be a top 10 player.

He just cracks that threshold.

Make him a little bit worse as a score a little bit less efficient.

Now he's a top 35 player like Lamilla.

Yeah.

And we've also been trending on this on this path for a while.

Like if there are times where it's like, oh, this player is confusing.

But Loki, we've kind of known.

Like even earlier in Lamilla's career, whenever he was scoring 28, scoring 30,

a majority of the time we were watching him and saying, yeah, this is nice.

It's cool that you're doing this.

This probably isn't the best version of you and the way to maximize you.

So it's it's confusing.

Yes.

But also it makes sense.

Yeah.

And I think the thing we learned in Lamilla is for a guard like him that clearly has his tantalizing playmaking

and jump shooting upside that could lead you to believe he can be this like upper echelon superstar.

There becomes a point where he is where he is.

And you have to stop projecting and hoping for a change.

When you get like year four or whatever, you kind of know who they are.

And when you take away the idea of like future leaps, that's what this clearly was.

He was a inefficient, amazing playmaker that has his strengths.

Too many weaknesses to be like the top guy.

And that's completely fine.

Next player, Shangguin.

He keeps changing what he's good at every year.

That is hilarious.

Quite scary than criticism.

But every year I forget and don't quite understand what you're good at.

He said, man, this is a chameleon.

That's so fucking funny.

What are you good at this year?

What's the playmaking?

I think.

I think.

It's okay.

He's been good at playmaking.

But I think this is the year where it's kind of like tangible point center stuff.

Averging 6.1 assists this year, 4.9 last year.

To be honest, it's mostly usage.

Because it's presently isn't there.

The ball's in his hands more.

He went from 16% on ball percentage last year to 23% this year.

So they put the ball in his hands more instead go be a lead playmaker and provide value there.

I think he has to his credit.

He's shoulder that burden pretty well.

I wouldn't even say he keeps changing what he's good at.

I would say that he continues to be consistent with what he's bad at.

And that's confusing because we see stretches where things are good.

And you look up on the season and he's still shooting dockship percentages at the rim

for a 6 foot 11 guide doesn't make sense.

Still cannot shoot threes.

Still is capable of being in a good defense,

but not any type of like ceiling razor defensively.

The weaknesses there are still what they always have been.

And without progression there, the playmaking can only take you so far.

And that's confusing for a guy who I test sometimes looks super dominant.

He might be independent how next season goes.

You have you have players like Jaylen Green, March basketball demon.

Shingoo might be an october November demon.

He might be a guy where every year we come in and something looks fixed,

and then as the season progresses, then he kind of falls back into the player

that he has been for a majority of his career.

And for him to be for him to have shot as well as he did at the start of the year

and then right now to be shooting 28% from three is like, dang.

Damn, the company you keep.

That's that's tough.

Worst true shooting percentage among 20 point-per-game scores.

Dylan Brooks, shading sharp, Bama de Bios, salute.

Alfred Shingoo, Brandon Ingram, Pascal Seyachim, Kate Cunningham,

Paolo, Jaylen Brown, Brandon Miller.

Jaylen Brown, first time all NBA in my ass.

But nevertheless, Alfred Shingoo fourth words here.

Crazy strain.

It's a lot.

I think we need more Jaylen Brown.

It's really insane.

PR is happening right now.

If he gets first sense it.

Yes, I need to balance it.

If he gets first time over Luca, I'll fucking vomit and eat it.

I'll be so mad.

Man.

It's not been saying the last couple of weeks.

I will be mad about the accolades that Jaylen Brown is about to get.

I will be here for it.

He's not here for it.

He's not here for it.

He's not here for it.

I think I'm okay.

You let anybody on TV decide it.

Okay.

Okay.

That can happen.

But back to Shingoo.

Back to Shingoo.

Back to Shingoo.

Terrible score for his efficiency level.

I think we're seeing rockets fans.

It starts to turn on a little bit.

And turn on his dramatic because they still have hope in him.

He's still their homegrown guys.

They're not going to be like trade out.

You're anything.

But I think you're seeing more coming to grips with who he is considering

you're three or four.

He was drafted in...

This is year five.

Oh, shit.

We're in year five.

So they're kind of understanding you can't have unlimited faith in a guy like that, right?

They're starting to see light a little bit.

Some of the people that you say yell at me for saying,

chat homegrown is better, are starting to agree.

And starting to criticize his flaws that we just talked about.

That makes sense, being at this point in the timeline, right?

Yeah.

What do we take away from that as a rocket fan?

If you're in the issues and you're building around this guy who has these clear deficiencies,

how do you put him in the right position to succeed and be the best version of himself?

It's so funny because once a lick of expectation gets put on your shoulders,

shoulders, shit changes completely for you as an NBA fan.

And now, like, when things aren't really as what they seem.

And Shingun shows you who he really is, which is,

he's been truthful the entire time.

We just have put expectations of our own on our own on ourselves on these players.

And as a rocket, if I was a rocket fan right now, right,

be sick to my stomach because it's like, damn,

like now I have to think about can this franchise in this current state?

When would this guy as the top one or two pair on my team?

Probably not at this point in time.

And you're right.

The expectations on your shoulders.

That's exactly what I'm describing.

You go from young player who I think is interesting for this point of his timeline,

but might keep getting better.

Oh, this is just who you are.

And now I had to be a little more realistic.

Mm-hmm.

What do you think about this tweet?

Jalen Williams, when playing 30 plus minutes this season.

20.8 points for a game.

I love to point the rebounds.

4.8 assists.

That's a different side note.

Big Jalen Williams is really good now.

He's been a big league this year.

He's going under talked about in OKC's like Tadalod's.

He's really good now.

And there's a lot of passing hub big stuff with ball in his hands.

And when he plays a lot of minutes, he puts up numbers.

It's quote tweet.

I hope Shengu knows his gimmick will be realized.

Is he farming numbers on his gimmicks?

Big man passing up touches.

With the rockets win, the same money games of Jalen Williams.

All right, please.

Please, please, please, what's I do this?

It would just be funny.

That's it.

I'm not saying it would happen.

I'm just saying I kind of I kind of want to live in the world.

That does happen.

I don't think there were more games.

But I think the difference would be less than you think.

It's not even better than Asian Duke Dennis.

Tough.

Like he's clearly out of picture and good.

But like I show a picture and goon.

Yeah.

The gap isn't as big as the sticker shop.

But you think.

Especially when you consider.

I know.

Like what they are defensively and they're also two like Jalen Williams.

He should have both.

Yeah.

He's a sniper.

This is more Jalen Williams hyped.

He's been really, really good.

He was a total gimmick two years ago.

Yeah.

He's good now.

He's put it together, man.

And he's a great locker room guy.

Yeah.

He stayed in the locker room because of his locker room.

Energy and then got good in the meantime.

When have you seen that?

When have you seen a locker room chemistry gimmick guy get good randomly?

Uh, oh.

Keldin Johnson.

He's the same as I think for the swears.

Okay.

But that's, again, that's rare.

Yeah, it's rare.

That's rare.

Like Chetty Osmond.

Chetty Osmond.

Chetty Osmond.

Yeah, a couple moments.

Chetty is fucking it.

That's a pull.

Cool.

I forget about him, man.

He had a little bit of moments.

A little bit.

He got, he got solid towards him.

It's rare though.

You're right.

It's so rare.

Very rare.

Typically gimmicks stay gimmicks.

Shout out to him.

I'm calling him a gimmick.

Oh, this is a powerful gimmick.

We gimmick, man.

We shout out to him when he's making a leap.

Shane Goon.

We will see how the playoffs go.

But yeah.

Strange season to say the least in terms of expectations from the start of the year to now.

Yeah.

Julie's Randall.

He's just been confused about Julie's Randall.

He's been the same as that guy for like the last, I don't know, five years or so.

And even then.

He's, he has woefully, like I don't even think Julie's Randall has like tricked.

This guy.

He's tricked himself.

You know, you know, you know what Randall is.

And.

I was watching that game yesterday.

With with Shane.

Shavers.

You know, you know, you know what Randall is.

And.

I was watching that game yesterday.

With with Shane.

Shavers.

And okay, see Minnesota.

And I was just like dang them boys are getting peace up in the playoffs.

Like it's, it's going to happen again.

And.

They.

Like.

Unless Julie is Randall one.

Unless his three is falling.

And unless he is in a like super good move flow state.

So those two things for those, those two things for him manifest themselves.

I feel like more overtly than for a lot of other players.

Yeah.

Where you can very clearly see the ups and downs or see what, what, like,

stage of the roller coaster you're on with Julie's Randall.

And I do think it is correct.

He is the most inconsistent number two option on a contender.

That's like, I think it also, it just puts a ceiling on Minnesota.

I don't think he'd be confused.

I think he is.

And he's really good, but inconsistent in some ways.

And his numbers kind of are exactly the same as last year.

He's scoring a little bit more 20.9 points, opposed to 18.7 last year.

Efficiency wise.

Essentially the same from two.

He just down to 30% from three instead of 34.

It's kind of that simple.

So his shot went really cold.

And that's making everything fall apart for a guy that needs that throw of the outside shot.

This has happened many times in his career.

He really does live and die by the three in some ways.

Yeah.

I feel like whenever we did see Randall get traded to the Tim Roles,

this kind of should at least temperate everyone's expectations for the Tim Roles.

And how high of a ceiling they did have when it comes to winning in general,

like over the one.

Of course, they went to back to back Western conference finals.

They had two appearances.

But at the end of the day, like no one looks to Julie's Randall as like a serious player in terms of being the,

being the like last domino to eventually get you over the hump.

Yeah.

He's not that for the wolves.

Yeah.

She was like a gap.

He is who he is.

That one to me is the least confusing of the bunch you've seen so far.

Yeah.

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Palo.

I don't know, man.

Some nights he's LeBron.

Some nights he's Mojo 99.

What does that mean?

Man, you asked me.

I'm kind of five.

What do you mean?

Some nights he's me.

Some nights he's LeBron again.

That's like me.

I was consistent, man.

All right.

Interesting one.

Last week, if you guys didn't watch our episode,

go to the section.

This is facts.

Sometimes he's Mojo 99.

Sometimes he's Mojo 99.

Sometimes he's Mojo 99.

What does that mean?

This is my version with 99.

He's throwing his body around.

He's being going to the ring.

Bricks.

Just throwing his body.

Slashing the lane.

Breakfast.

Oh, crap.

How would you describe your IRL basketball playstyle?

I don't know how to do enough.

He did say I play with him.

I play with him often.

But like last year, he said it was like,

you're like last year, you told him,

have you put kind of like,

Palo or something like that?

Where I like to shoot too much sometimes where I know I can shoot

but more often than if I go to the room,

I have higher percentages.

If Mo is going to the room,

that shoulder is going into your door.

He's going to have a spin move.

It really is like very Palo like.

Free throw magnet.

Is he a any shot is good shot type guy?

Yes.

I know your ball.

We're playing last week.

And there were a couple,

we're in our same game.

So like there were a couple times where it's like,

you know what,

I'm going to just let you have the shot.

Mo was probably like five feet behind the line.

Just chucking it.

And I was like,

you got it.

And he got the same game.

He got hot.

Everything he put it was going in.

I was like,

you know, man.

Back to Palo.

That's what Trayon has done to my brain.

It's crazy.

We talked about this expense.

We last week,

go watch our episode that came on Thursday.

That's every NBA teams biggest regret.

We just like random.

We start talking about Palo in the magic section.

So if you go to the division,

you'll see it.

Palo looks really good.

Since it all start break,

especially the last two weeks,

he looks like Paloable.

He's slashing better.

Has a clear,

we talked about he had those comments about understanding

he wasn't playing all start level.

He heard the noise and said,

damn, you're right.

I am playing terribly.

I got to get right.

And he did.

He has a clear difference in his

aggressiveness going to the rim.

His decisiveness is speeding

which he's playing.

The less settling for jumpers.

Knowing he's a 6-10 guy

that can get the rim every time

is driving better offense.

His passing was really good because of it.

We're getting the best case scenario

for Palo Bancaro right now

over his last two weeks.

He's finally taken his season long

true shooting percentage over what it was last year.

56.7 true shooting for the season now

because his hot stretch

higher than last year at 55.2.

That was still 1% under league average.

But it's getting closer to league average.

We're finally seeing.

We're worried about ourselves.

And we're in about individual growth.

Yep.

He is growing.

He's better right now.

So with that being said,

we saw, what is it?

49.

45 games of the worst case scenario

for Palo Bancaro.

We came up here and we said,

oh my God, we want to leave.

So long.

We couldn't even say it was a bad stretch.

It was half of a season.

That's a sample size.

So we came up here and we say,

we wanted to leave this year.

We believed we were making a leap.

We thought there would be three seed

off of your leap.

And you regressed.

For a long period of time.

We know what it looks like now

when your jump side isn't falling.

How quickly things can spiral for you.

But now we see you know the stretch

towards the end of the season

where you get it together

and look at the Palo of Old.

And I'll tell you,

it looks better than the Palo of Old.

He looks better in the last year.

So maybe it is a mid season

leak he's figured out in an unprecedented way, right?

And we know he's done the playoffs.

What do we take away from this

up and down rollercoaster of his season?

I think at the end of the day for me

seeing the quote come out the other day.

I think it was last week where he said,

he talked about how he didn't make the all-star team.

He was like, yeah,

I had to look at the man in the mirror.

I love whenever players give that level of realness

because that gets reassures me in general.

Like, okay, like things have to be getting better.

If you know things have been,

if you can admit that things haven't been right at all.

So I'm going to,

I'm going to take the high road and believe that

this will be getting a better version of him.

Now, what is a better version of him like ultimately

let it net out to?

I'm not 100% sure just yet.

But it will be better than what we saw

for the first 45 games of the year.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think the comments,

the comments changed everything from me.

Because if he,

if he didn't say that,

I will look at this.

I would say,

you're just dominating March basketball.

Yeah.

And I think alongside those,

let me know that he did have this,

like this mindset change.

So right now,

also because he is a number one overall pick.

He is talented.

He has all of these traits that can help him be

one of like the,

the better players in the league.

Now I'm looking at him and saying,

okay, I,

I will choose to believe this.

Yeah.

I'm cautiously optimistic.

Because everything you said,

the preconceived notions we have of Paolo

and the ceiling we know he has

with the physical traits he has

and the really just draft placements.

He should get this good.

And he should be able to maintain it

at some point in his career.

Maybe his path is a little rocky,

but like,

while we recognize how God

awful he was at start the year,

we always made sure to maintain that like,

while we'll talk about,

oh my God, he's horrible.

What's going on?

There's always a caveat of like,

but we know he can't be better.

We just want to see it.

So I'm always going to have that in my head

that like,

there will be that confirmation bias

if I know you're capable of this.

So I'm inclined to give him some modicum

of faith when he does stuff like this.

I don't really feel like we can take away

anything other than,

okay, we're still waiting for you

consistently for a season.

You still know you can do this.

I would still like to see it

for eight to two game seasons

so you can have a good seed

and have a better chance in the first round.

Yada, yada, yada.

Yeah, all he's done is

it's really like,

extend the like,

warranty on him as me thinking

about him as like a superstar.

Yeah, the idea of him can maintain?

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

extending the young player timeline.

He still gets to have that.

No, no, no, no.

He keeps his voice.

Yeah, yeah, he keeps his voice.

And that's the main thing.

He's he dug himself out of,

oh my God, do I need to give him

a pallet by Carole Talks?

He's just no longer,

you fill that way because

even outside of it

would be much basketball

and small sample size.

The eye test makes with the comments.

You can tell,

it's different right now

that he's playing with a different level of intensity

and a different understanding of

where he needs to be to be productive.

It's real.

They were having theories,

the pilot theory

about having a mid-number one overall pick

in a place around him.

Yeah.

So yeah, now that we're playing

ourselves out of that,

that's good.

Exactly.

You're completely falling out,

you're playing yourself out

of massive deployment talks

and putting yourself back in position

to earn your way

into should be top 10 player

one day talks.

I'm still not quite there yet,

but I'm at least on the path.

Yeah.

Don't even chenzo,

swear to God,

every game I see,

he's breaking every shot,

but he's still always

a damn near 40% from three

on the season.

It's like there's a different

Dante on my screen

and my screen only.

Loved the guy though.

This is so real.

I'm going to be

exactly the same way.

I think this is just the nature

of guys who shoot

tons of threes.

You're going to see a lot of misses

and then I might,

you might see three in a row

and you're like,

what the fuck?

You look down when the other three

hit and you only make three

at a nine for it to be a great game.

I just, I feel like,

especially over the last couple

of you, since he got,

yes, since he got two

Minnesota,

I feel like we've had a

lot of stretches

and a lot of conversations

about like Van Dante's

not shooting good

or, you know,

he's playing,

he's playing little

poorly right now.

And then he said,

you look up

and the percentage is still

fine.

You're like,

where is the disconnect?

Like, do I,

do I literally have to watch

eight two games

every single year

to understand,

and like just focusing

on Dante,

David Chinto

to fully understand

the David Chinto

experiment, maybe.

And I'll say like,

the T-Wolves in general

kind of embody what

Dante, David Chinto

like struggles in,

which is like

consistency here

and here and there.

If he's not hitting,

this team has no chance at all.

Yeah.

Like, he's there only like

volume shooter.

He was supposed to replace

like the offensive

potency of what Kat does.

Partially, when it comes

to getting up seven,

eight, three's a game,

and knocking them down

at a 40% clip.

You know what we're

describing?

This is a second player

shooting and stuff.

Surprise surprise.

The shooters are

a little up and down when

you have point guards in

your roster.

When Anthony Edwards

and Julius Randall are

essentially being your

only point guards.

Surprise surprise.

Your shooters have a

little bit of hard time

of being consistent

when the shot quality is

probably not going to be

as crazy.

It would be next to a

Tariya's halibut

and whatever.

Shit is crazy, man.

It's just kind of, I feel

like it might just be built

into the T-Wolves DNA.

They're annoying.

They're certainly

annoying.

And the T-Wolves

don't understand how a

seven foot one big-ass

man who's so unengaged

one game and then

lock in on the next.

It's like he's a

different personality

every time he steps on

the court.

Did you guys say

report?

Two-path of ass.

Did you guys say

the report about his

different personalities?

Yeah.

He mentioned it, right?

Yes.

Sometimes he goes in a

team plane and he puts

on a vaguely

Spanish accent and

cosplays a man

named Alejandro.

Why?

He woke up feeling like

Alejandro.

He has his certain

personality.

He gets into that

mental mode.

And people on Twitter

are like, damn, this guy

is undiagnosed D-I-D.

A Y-W-M-L-E.

But you know, it tracks

with the up-and-down nature

of his game.

Not the undiagnosed D-I-D.

Obviously, I'm

nothing.

I'm a doctor.

But the idea of him getting

in these modes and having

these mindset changes and

being needing to amp

himself up with

personalities for a guy

that's biggest issue is

what he just said.

The lack of

locked in this on a

given night.

That we know what he can

do when he has the perfect

version himself and he

is trying to

honor him in his

action of the

bols.

And then he drops

all these balls and

doesn't run back and

transition.

What the fuck?

Get you wake up looking

like Alejandro today.

In case your game plan around someone like that, yeah, but to the point what do we take away from D'Andrea in this year?

I think we take away that he's D'Andrea

Yeah, he's still the 24th 25th best center in the league and that if you cannot thrive you you said it all offseason

If he can't thrive next to Luca don't just then like and that's like the main thing that you were betting on

Is that you're gonna get the best version of eight and which we all acknowledge is probably a top 13

cent 1314 center and that's gonna happen because you are bought in every single night and you are playing the

Solid Basketball that can go alongside Luca Dodgers and when you have

when that goes south and you have multiple personalities and you see brother tried to turn me into clean

compelling and everybody you know pull the standings for me and everybody looks at you and says I wish

you were like like those those things let me know you just are are who you are can we have a you

Said 24 25th. I think we need to have an actual baseline conversation of what we think D'Andrea is right now

Because he is a Laker which obviously brings a lot of reaction to every game you place on national TV

He's a frustrating player that has it up and down. You think he's better than 20. No, I don't know

But we need to figure out what he is because

He has a lot of emotion behind his discourse right with Lakers fans like wanting to be so good and like

Sometimes he's good sometimes he's bad. What is he actually because he's one of the most efficient biggs in the league

He says true 30% is nine percentage points better than last year, which is outrageous

That is a luca effect we wanted

He hasn't been bad defensively beside the transition defense, which has been annoying in the half court

It's been pretty good. We just saw this game against the nuggets in which in the fourth quarter

He locked in on Yokeh and blocked his shot did a good job defending him as well as he can

He hasn't been quite the tire fire that you think what based on that December stretch where he was

Atrocious he's kind of bounced back obviously beginning of the year was good

He's averaging less points clearly because you should just lower playing next all those guards

But he has been this highly efficient big that isn't perfect

But isn't like horrendous. I kind of feel like it probably is just like extremely average

Overall without the emotion. I don't I feel like he's a little bit below average

I think if I was to recommend he's probably like 17 to 23 anywhere between that okay

Let's see this reminds you last year whenever we did the rankings

You had eight in that you were actually the lowest you had eight net 29 damn and I had and I had eight in

Probably a little bit higher. I had eight net 24. I had eight net 24 you had eight net at 20. What was that like 19 or something like that?

Yeah, I'll find it right now. Yeah, so let's see. Let's go through all these teams because I

You had eight net 16 right in the middle

Okay, so that's what I'm saying. I think right in the middle is probably where he is and it's more more so

I think there's less great centers than we think

When we had these conversations by him being so pissed and like feeling below average

I don't know if we have a good gauge of what an average starting center is in this league

Uh, so let's go through. So let's go with the West Congress. He's zoom in a little bit. Be sauce. Yeah

Obviously we'll go chat and heart and style. We'll consider centers. Sure. Okay. One B one two three

Uh, he's a little bit in Jackson hates right defensively he's a lot better

I know offensively Jackson hates my feet. Sure. We'll go. Yeah, we'll give him Jackson ace. That's we'll go Shengoon. Okay. Steve Nams

He has been healthy. Do you want to disqualify him to that healthier?

How do we parse that?

He's healthy every every single player or every single coach in league would rather have Stephen. Let's say Steve Nams

I think we all think we'd rather have Stephen Adams. Yeah

Shengoon

I mean, I'm a second. Sorry. Uh, Yokech that's six. Okay

I'm taking a number of Valentinus

Yes, right. Yes, we go bare

What the fuck are we doing? I was reading this is like a he's a center, I guess, but I'm I

I think I've kind of turned away for me to play

But some teams would rather have nots me for sure for the Lakers wouldn't rather have nots read the Nathan in that

Metrol so I guess we can speak from a starting center standpoint. Sure. Okay. So seven so far

Mark Williams

That's words like kind of chalk. I think they're like equal level. So I'm I'm inclined not to give it to that so we can gloss over

Okay, nobody else in the sun's right. No, but seven clippers

Proklobase is pretty washed. Can't move anymore. Yeah, I'm just too young. No warriors. Hell no

Nobody on the warriors

Well, Klingon that's eight. Yep

Time law is never healthy, but when he's healthy, he's better, I think

Yeah, that's fine, but he's never ever never ever. Okay, then I guess we won't put time law. Yeah, I'll take it over time lord

Uh, Edie is certainly better. Yes, he's never healthy, but he's clearly clearly better. I don't want to count Zubak for the clippers. He's on the clippers anymore. Oh, yeah, he's pace or man

We will count too much though. Yeah, Mavericks. I think him and Gafford are very similar. Lively's Lively

I don't know if he fucking exists anymore. He's like he's hard, but let's let's count. He's a career threat and bit injuries

We can count on though if you want Derek Lively 10

Yeah, I'll just I will count one one of two. Yeah, I'm assuming he can play next year hopefully and then with these last three teams

There's nobody except for Walker Kessler. Okay, walk Kessler 11. Yeah, subonus. I suppose we'll give subonus to count him

Sure. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, subonus is better, but yeah, Zubash on the Pacers. That's 13. Yep, Wizards

I saw are still young and consistent. I'd still would rather have also a saw a center or a power forward

What are we gonna do with that long term? I don't know. Oh, Edie's there now. So we'll count AD

14 AD we're counting AD. Yeah, yeah

So we'll say star is a power for it. Yeah, it's AD now. Okay. Yeah, we're kind of live leaving with all the injured

Yeah, we're kind of ID. Claxing would rather have

So I think that's probably close and people think the idea claxing on like a good team is really good, but

Claxing is a little bit like idea man, too. He has he has we've never been in the

Yeah, so 15 nobody on the bulls

Nobody on the books. Hell no. Miles Turner. Miles Turner. You were into eight in conversations. That's no longer clear to me

Hornets, what do you say? Sure. Yeah, I don't have the idea about it. Yeah, do you about day 16

Hawks is on yakuza center or power forward. He's the center. I think I'd rather have a ball. I'd certainly not have one yakuza center. He's a center. Yeah. Okay, 17

Uh, in bead. Yeah, count him 18 mighty heat bam 19 you're taking a wear or eight

Ah, that's like that's a conversation me at this point of words development. Okay

Uh, I probably I would take wear because he's young you get better, but today eight is a good drop defender

You probably yeah, you probably want to roll into the playoffs and eight half court defense eight and still is like pretty good

Is that that's a tie breaker right now? I think so playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right now today's current day

We'd rather have as you starting center. That's fair. I would rather have eaten the yakuperdals still I think yakuperdals make a cut

Yeah, man. He just had 19 rubles last game against against the uh who are they? He played a business. Yeah, they'd be from

Good luck. Hopefully not hopefully he's on a good trajectory back to magic

I think one of Carter's conversations with Eden is like they're leveled. Okay

Uh, Jared Allen

And so we're at 20 uh cat 21 you don't know. I have a mobilator. He's a power forward

Yeah, super power forward. Okay

Uh cat obviously on the Celtics in the centers the mosquito come on Mitch

Oh, yeah, Mitch for sure Mitch can't play on the play in the playoffs. He can't hate free throws

And he's like supremely unskilled offensive. I don't know about Mitch. I probably better for Luca. Yeah, but

I think I'd rather have Mitch which is legit on play he keeps 30% from free throw you cannot play him in a playoff series as a starting center

Mitch cannot start on a team. I ever

Listen, I like him. I've seen the like he cannot start on. I'm

He's there. He's he's at that line. He's a good for me for sure for sure

I would I would consider even putting up with the foolishness of 30% from the free throw line. Yeah, which is

It's crazy that I didn't even consider it, but that's I do think that

Defensively he is that impactful often to rebound and YC is that impactful. Yeah, and

But listen starting centers. He literally can't start even like 20

I think 20

17 to 20 minutes of Mitchell Robinson on a from a like series to series basis

I do think is probably equal to or more impactful than like 30 minutes from Deandre and on a night on a series to series

Sure, that's not a bad mental calculus, but I just like you can't start him and I feel like I can't look past that for this at least

Okay, so we're just talking about because Mitch was really like a damn near special teams play exactly exactly

So we're talking about like a overall 82 season gauge, but but my specialty team is so yeah

so like

It's it's such a difference maker like I do think that having him on the team and

And then just figuring out who else is gonna is gonna place there rather than giving eight in 28 minutes

And then now doing that like I don't want to give in 20 in 20 minutes at all

I want to him to split with another center ideally, so how how many 25 minutes? Whatever

But either way either way, I think we're going during in Isaiah Stewart clearly

So that's 22 so eight is either 22 or 23 based on what you fill with him versus Mitchell Robinson and the monster

Yeah, I would rather have Kate over him and I don't know how y'all feel about Lucie bitch right now

No, I really have catered for the Celtics with the Joe Mozilla benefit

I don't know if I'm putting Kate on every single team and seeing this version

So like I think Mozilla really raises things, but that's fair to me

You wouldn't try cater for eight and for the Celtics specifically as for sure

So based on those debatable ones you did a 22 23 maybe 24 and low end where you have yeah

So that's how to be pretty much like after what you said and and with the hating tax

He will probably

Just just because we're talking about you being Alejandro. Yeah, so that's not your name

I said that's literally not you

So yeah to uh

Friday pilot's point confusing DeAndre and what is he in the end?

About a

22nd best center in the league 23rd best center in the league that's probably be playing 22 minutes a night

Yes, and you know what? No, it's crazy. That's probably worth about eight million dollars a year

But he's getting paid now. Yeah, he's probably exactly what you should think he is by the sticker

That's awful. Can he's also like in that july's rando camp where

Like for for a lot of people. I do feel like sometimes

As especially especially me probably can over index on like

in intangibles and in those conversations a little bit

Aint is one where it's like very much a part of who you are as a player and

Everything that people say about you is true. Yeah, and so I it's very hard to separate it

And I don't I don't even think it's it's wrong to not separate it or to include all of that

So depending on how you want to say if he is, you know, 24 27 and anywhere in that range

Major officer makes 13 million dollars a year

That's the market for a

For a special team for a 20 second to 25th best center in the league. So, you know

8 million dollars

Not that the worst you're kind of getting what you pay for and you

Maybe it's like a slight plus value because he is still like he's incredibly efficient ex-Luga that part has worked out

It's just like not quite as consistent as you want

So

He probably just is what you would think he is by if you didn't even know anything about him

Just look at the production and the sticker. He is exactly what you think should be we've just seen multiple spots

with Aiden and

Even people who were super on his side have left the down to Aiden experiment being

Crazy disappointed. Yeah, and so I think

For to have him yet to have him on your team or to think that he can do

You know that he can scale up or be some version of some like idealized version of what you thought that he could be

That should be over right now. Yeah, he's exactly is who he is and that's a fringe starting center

That would be a overqualified backup that level of guy that should play 22 minutes a night

Which okay, that's fine

I don't like it

You know you're definitely definitely I'm not going to tell you need to like him

That's for sure you definitely don't need to like him

You're damn sure don't need to like him if I probably shouldn't he said he walks he wakes up and thinks broke

That December fresh is crazy man. Oh, yeah, I mean talking about the essence of his psyche

Next player co-ilinered. So is he top three or is he guilty?

Right, what kind of Christmas bars is he top? Oh, both he is top three

At the same time

The same damn time he's both

But uh, this is it he's this is certainly a confusing season because co-ilinered has missed like

Three to four prime seasons have essentially been wiped away in some elements of injury confusing career, man

Let's extend that for sure

So what do we do with this that he's having the stretch where he's been healthy

There's not even any like health scare or worry in the air right now

And after all these missed seasons and missed early shutdown seasons

He's playing at the level of top-five player again. Yeah, what the fuck do we do with the most unique player?

I was gonna think of I thought he recently got injured my trooper made some small but he just he just tweaked his ankle recently

Yeah, that's fine, but like none the degenerative knee stuff isn't playing up anymore

I think it's I think it's fair to say to say kawaii's top whatever

um, I think every every time that kawaii goes on on one of these stretches

we talk about kawaii in a

Like through the lens of his entire career. Yeah, like it's never just what's happening right now

If kawaii goes crazy for 10 games then it's like hey, man

He peaked higher than kd like I can't I can't say anything else as opposed to just he's having a very very good season

He's in contention for you know for all these all these actually not I don't know how many games he's played

But he's playing at that at that level and we should just take it for for what it is

And I think everybody else is also waiting for the other shooter drop in the playoffs

And while waiting for the first round to happen and then we get the champs tweet of

Hey kawaii Leonard is dealing with such and such injury

He's not he's gonna miss the rest of the series

But right now, let's just enjoy it while we can 32 six and four is awesome over last five. Yeah, that's nice

He's it seems like every other every other game. He's putting up 40 or he's hitting a game winner

Defense is obviously what what it is like

I we just have to talk about kawaii Leonard in the most present tense positive and not have some

career

Look back and some re-evaluation of where he actually is amongst the all-time great anytime we talk about him

Yep, yep the kawaii experiences about enjoying the moment taking every day and while you have it

You don't know what the next will hold and also it's also teaching me to man

This like new generation august is crazy because who would have thought like kawaii in year what year is he in?

I don't know your draft until 2011

Damn you're 15 15 15 something like that. He missed a few

But yeah, like you see in him like revamp his game add a little bit more shit to his bag when it comes to his hand

Come out and like what he he shouldn't like 38 percent from three

There's been so many games this year or a couple games this year where he's took like 12 11 10 threes a game prior to squared

He's never done that shit. So seeing him just like morph into this new

Like super like super filled out offensive version of him. It's like more fun to watch as crazy as L

Yeah, good for him. Glad he's having his

2021-2022 Katie type season where you feel like post injury is it gonna be the same?

And you're like oh no, this is the best version he's ever had. It's crazy. Good for him

Out avocado balls says

Zion Wilson you see bad or the pelicans just that bad. Yo

The pelicans are turning it around. It's just until Marie came back. I fucking love jazonte Marie

I want nothing with the best firm

But I also want the worst of the pelicans right now. He's ruining my life as we speak

The Johnson Murray came back to that kill. He's playing the best best off scene from him in years. It's crazy

So that they're you know they're

Inching towards competence still playing the same solid basketball

There's not part of advertising Zion Wimson as the point guard playing all through him trying to make him stay healthy

Figure out the realistic middle ground with him and what his body can take him in right

No, no, what do we do with that? It kind of a seem like a foregone conclusion that Zion Wimson's time

With the pelicans is probably coming to an end

It would make all the sense in the world they trade him this summer and kind of divorce themselves from this up and down experience

They're prioritizing other players and trying to find the path towards being good that doesn't involve him having 40% use it right

So if he gets a hit to trade market or even stays there. How are you going to view him going forward?

Yes, I mean he's he's good some nights

Okay, the

Zion is also is also in that

Is being the water

I forgot your ears to be supposed to have us. No, no

He's in that search where on the Lamello timeline where he's also really good

But we probably shouldn't be talking about Zion as the face of your franchise lead score point Zion and you know lead playmaker

In that in that way

We should probably just look at him as

You know if you get the right situation around and put it next to the right

Number one star. Maybe you can get something that's that's conducive to to winning

But the pelicans obviously aren't doing that and I will give Zion a little bit of grace because that franchise sucks

And they don't they don't they don't do very competent things very often

So if he does get to a situation where the infrastructure is better

He can probably tap back into the the better versions of Zion. Yeah. Oh Jaylen green

Do you want to be a good NBA player or do you want to be known as the march marquee or the march marauder or even the duke of march

And I know enough march pass would know that every march this guy will go crazy to go for two points in the playoffs when he has score

Jaylen grieve it. I feel like everyone should have now at least tempered their expectations on him

And just looking at him as it's like a oh like I can give you interesting interesting things here and there

But never ever like actual on him as a building block for your team

Yeah, I think at this point he's just going to be like when norm pal was a few years ago before he became an all-star this year

Whoo, which is still crazy to say hello. No, that's a lot

I don't know if he can be that I think he's like early clippers norm pal

We're like we never talked about him. It's like one of the best role players in the league

But do you come in average 20 and have some

Some valuable scoring with some good off while shooting

But it was never one of the like premier players as position or anything

I don't know I don't know about that because norm pal even back then before the clippers years like for partly he was good

He was consistent. Yeah

And I don't think Jalen green is some possible room to hit that level. It's impossible for him to be consistent

I think

So I think so I don't know about that. I think he can be consistent at a lower level is a thing

He's not consistently gonna ever give you 28 for a month like he does in March

But norm pal we're talking about like a 20-point-per-game score. That can be a good third option in the half-court

So like that. I think generally consistently do that one day

I'm just assuming for him to continue to improve and like reach a reasonable middle ground expectations

Would you rather be an October merchant or a March merchant October? That's way better for PR

Yeah, you can get paid off October basketball. Wait, you can make all mb18s on

No, you get paid off a March basketball, I think because like Jenny green literally did he got it to your

The weirdest contract extension ever

October basketball is like, ah, you know

What I think as a player is a different conversation as a franchise. What would you rather do with as a franchise?

I think I don't know what's October. Well, I guess if I'm a franchise

I want the guy to be good closer to the playoffs and hope I can carry it over somewhat

But I would do franchises. No, I took March basketball is fake now. They're catching on they they have to

But I think October October merchant has to be better because if you start turning up in March

Then I have to wait until next year to trade you

But if you go crazy for the first month two months, you can carry that into into the trades. They're scared. It's so high

They're always scared to sell high exactly except for one guy

Mr. Mori

Yeah, this is why I don't even know if he sold high nope, he didn't

Guerrilla gardeners

Trayon

Is he just bad now?

It seems like the Hawks have gotten better and better without him

And now the Wizards are as trash as ever or maybe slightly extra trash

Does he make them better even a little bit seems like things might be getting kind of spooky for Mo Shayla

I get small guards can't be a focal point

But it feels like maybe we've got no point where there are questions about if you can be a positive impact player at

All come on man

Yeah, everyone's been talking about how the Hawks without Trayon are with Trayon the season

They're like two in a and since he's been off the roster completely the Hawks are not mind you

We've been on like at what nine damn near 10 game win streak most hilarious schedule of everything by the way

Yeah, hilarious schedule, but if

Earlier in the year we had like one of the hardest schedules. We were almost never home

So it's like kind of balancing out now and

Without Trayon overall like our defense is genuinely so much better and where our wall records like

34 and 23 and it sucks to say yes, we are a better team without Trayon

But also do things to be true at once. I will say to

With the way that Trayon playing specifically and Washington

They feel like he's going through recalibration on his own his shot attempts are way down obviously

He's only playing like 20 minutes 20 minutes tonight because he's just coming back from injury and I think for someone like Tray who

You know, you're not what you once were athletically and if you're going to be that small

You have to have every ounce of birth burst possible because you don't get away with too much shit because you're little

You have to be like at the top of your game if you're not you're cooked your efficiency's cooked

So I think he should be he's we're seeing him this watch in these few watching games that he's played like

Calibrate has games where he's only taken like

8 9 10 shots of game and he's not forcing it anymore, which is smart. He's a distributor

Yeah, you're right. We need to just clearly see him go towards being a replay maker. Yeah

It's unfortunate to be a lead playmaker and a bad defender these days. It's kind of hard to

Sound the court in that way for a good team. I bet make sure he'll be an effective player for the Washington, Wizards to which is

I carefully worded statement

I think it's gonna be good. Similar to what we've seen with like Lemmele Ball

Just play me cause gonna be insane

He's and I think also too. He's gonna like cut out the words of the Lemmele Balls game

When it comes to just taking like a lot more less shots and be like more Steve Nashian really emphasize

Yeah, I'm here to make place for others. Yeah, hopefully the Wizards are on foolishness. I don't really get Steve Nashian's a hard one

Because that's that's a whole another can of worms. Yeah, the same thing. I said for the mellow. I want him to be Tyree Celebrine light

Played just like tharies there. Yeah, can I read out the last the last the team that the Hawks had beat during the win streak?

Of course you can go ahead Brooklyn yep beat Washington twice. Nice Portland, Milwaukee

Phil Philly with the maxi

And it won't be yeah, Paul George. Probably Dallas

Okay, Brooklyn again, the same Dallas. Just be the clinic. I've lyrics Brooklyn again. Yeah, and then Milwaukee again

Yeah, so it's not like a good team doing what Kelly's just supposed to do return to the corner man. You tonight

Listen tonight is on tonight's a big game. We play Orlando

I

The Hawks won nine in a row. Yeah, there was a 10c before the 10c now

That's crazy. That's just crazy, man

Everyone's winning these because that it is we have reached unprecedented levels of garbage around the league right now of teams

Perfectly losing. I can't I see this every year. I forget just how many teams are tanking come March

I can't find two games every night with two non-tanking teams. Yeah, this slate is impossible

You watch one good game a night and breeze through the rest because it's bullshit

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Now it's a four-player draft

But that being said that's all the confusing players we're gonna talk about today

Let's get on to the news of the week our NBA news roundup starting with some breaking news

I came out this morning while y'all were on the way to the studio per shoms sheronia

The NBA will hold a vote at the border governors meeting march 25th and 25th wow march 24th and 25th to explore adding expansion teams

Exclusively in Las Vegas and Seattle. So they're not even gonna think about other cities

They've decided it will be Vegas and Seattle if they're gonna vote on whether or not to expand the league to 32 teams

What is yellow's first thoughts when you see this?

Why?

Okay, so what obviously

Bread yeah, I get it Vegas hell of bread. Yeah, yeah, I understand it. I do think it is interesting

That and this is the type of stuff where it's like silver you're dumb because

We you just said it's it's march. It's very hard to find two games that doesn't involve a tanking team

And now we're going to we're gonna make teams across the league just slightly thinner

We're gonna take away some of the depth. We're gonna add expansion teams that most likely are not gonna be contenders

Or most likely gonna probably want to get top picks or whatever will see what changes happen to to the lottery

But diluting the league in this moment when your top priority quote unquote is

Making sure that everybody's super competitive and and avoiding tanking from that aspect

I don't love that's the idea of adding two teams. I'm glad you brought that last part

I also think that the idea of like there's so much talent the league. We must expand

So camera's can't get a contract. We need to expand so guys like this can play that's gas this fuck to me and I think the

The contradiction of we want more teams and weaker teams and less tanking is crazy

Here comes two more teams that need to rebuild

I promise you they'll be taking to start you think they're gonna come out here and drop the competent team

Those teams will need a tank for several years now instead of 10 teams tanking will have 12

That is a crazy contradiction to me that

Pick one and obviously we've talked about our opinion is get over the tanking thing. I think that's also

Probably exaggerated in the league office some part exaggerated by fans. It's probably not as big of a deal as they're making it seem

I think it's a lot of things that

They need to have a clear vision otherwise. We're gonna have a lot of contradictions in place here

Listen in as long as the bread and the commons and zeros add up at the end of the day

They don't give me a damn about what you guys are saying no

The contradictions the fact that we have to give Vegas a team

This feels like a 20 years ago thought that Vegas needs a team. There's this hub this crazy economy

This is gambling money's around here

We got to come in and put a team there because all this tourism comes through and they're gonna have this unique fan-based experience

Anybody that knows anything about Las Vegas all they talk about I see online is that Vegas is dying that since sports gambling

We can legalize and that everybody can gamble at home

Vegas does not have the stranglehold on gambling culture anymore

So culturally it's kind of a shallow what it once was and the economy of tourism is like

Slowly dwindling on top of the economic state of the world doesn't feel like Vegas needs to be a shoe in for a team

They strip

Never seen a city just gas a bus trip

Like see how I get they deserve a team. I don't know why is there no other like courting of other cities. Why does it have to be Vegas?

Vegas has been I mean across all sports everybody's been trying to get teams into into Vegas and I think

I yeah, it's it's weird for for basketball like I kind of understand it for football because it's like

We're gonna host the Super Bowl there and you can still have a little bit of motion

hosting things in that in that arena

but this seems like something that they've had on their list for

10-15 years and now they're like well

Now's now is the only opportunity that that we're gonna that we're gonna have to do it

So we we're just gonna follow through with it. We're not gonna reconsider anything

And I also think that Vegas is big enough of a city where if you were adding an expansion team

And they're like you know what we're like Kansas City you guys are getting a team

I think they are a little bit

Maybe where you're adding a team that is like a quote of like a small market team

Vegas is a small market. It doesn't necessarily feel like that. I don't know what because you have to say you know what Vegas is

It's a tiny market though. That's that's why it's the same thing with Miami's the same way like nobody ever

Considered Miami as a small. Miami's not a it's not a big city like that

But it's a place that people would like to go that people would like to live in it has some type of of attractions

I feel like Vegas is more in that category than some small like San Antonio

Or Sacramento or cities like that that are genuinely small small market and don't have the

Appeal to free agents in that way. I take I get rid of teams

Yeah, let's talk about it. How many teams are you getting rid of right now?

Which team like just number or just like not one off the off the top of your head

You don't have to make the conferences even if you were commissioner today and you are taking away teams who are you taking away?

We can take away the Grizzlies. Wow

We can take away the Grizzlies. Yeah off the top. I actually wouldn't the Grizzies the owner wants to take away the Grizzlies

So like you're right like they owner wants to move the team

I think I'm taking away Sacramento Sacramento. Yeah, I'm I'm an ad Sacramento. I'm thinking about the Wizards

But I think the location of it's too good. Yeah, do we need the blippers DC?

I mean, it's always fun to have a little weather there. Okay. Yeah, LA can't support your team. So okay

What about the Orlando magic? Do we need them? Yeah, I think we need Orlando. Yeah, I think we need Orlando

I would take away New Orleans. I don't I don't think

Yeah, New Orleans and the Grizzlies make it go. Sorry to target the South

I would keep Memphis

I actually think the Grizzlies are fine and for a team that obviously like it's number one a championship

And one of those small market teams. I think that their culture and their fan base is

Strong enough to where you can you can keep that but New Orleans and Sacramento are the two that 100% are gone

You really don't need Brooklyn you there honestly. You don't need bro

They really haven't taken a triangle hold

I think the Clippers have more have more of a sense of identity than they do

They do yeah, which also actually really just because they have the richest owner in sports who's don't money at everything

So yeah, it helps that we have to talk about them a lot because of him

But yeah, we could go with that Brooklyn. Yeah, all right. So three teams are 2017 really called up

Through four teams. Let's do it

Yeah, I don't care for expansion in terms of like I can't wait. It'll be fun

So like when it happens would be like a sick the most fun part that I'm personally just excited for is the expansion draft

I see what players it's head away from routine. Yeah, get ready to pick Jeremy came first overall on 2029

So that'd be fun

But yeah, I do I do think there is some pretty obvious issues with expansion that need to be addressed with a league

Yeah, also I'm very very curious to see

Is LeBron going to be able to get one of these teams and be a part of the ownership group?

Yeah, maybe like in name you can be like the face of it. Yeah, he probably will

Well, almost certainly right like it seems like that's like a guarantee for the Las Vegas thing like that's been the

Worst kept secret ever the broad and braiding Vegas. Come on man kind of sick

That may maybe we do need Vegas maybe we'll take it back to be Vegas is a thriving tourist economy

In the up and up and up and maybe yeah

Maybe we're gonna make them the gambling hub of America again. There's certainly gonna be better post-legalization

Don't talk about the Lakers a little bit. No, too bad

Look at don't shit. Yo, ask me questions like that

Look at don't shit over the last five games has been potentially the best player in the NBA minus shape in five games in a row

The Lakers are now the three seed after he had a near 50 point triple double

And then a game winning shot against the Denver Nuggets to win this weekend

propelling them back to the three seed it's been kind of up and down three through six is incredibly tight

But the Lakers are trending in the right direction

Aiden has played well over the last five games as well

Everything's kind of clicking with LeBron back in the lineup. He's taking the clear third option role

being very deferring being very

Passive in a good way. I think for this team needs the defense still in question

But offensively it's super clicking reason playing well pretty much everything's going well for them over the last five games

And of course we got on TV when they won this game and we had a TV personality crying with the fact

You stuck with them as a contender being real bad at his job

How do we feel both know do you guys feel moved by them come play up time?

Moved is an interesting way to put it. I think that's all the manager

I guess

They know what they are but like for the playoffs are you moved by them having a chance to make a run?

I'm always moved by Luke in the playoffs all 110 percent. Yes. I am now overall like seeing how and I'm also moved by seeing

LeBron knowing that like he's not necessarily needed and finding out figuring out ways to like

fit in and do random stuff to help elevate the team

So I'm moved by that as well

Yo, who was that guy again? I forget he was on my team too David Roddy. Your mom are he's so big, right?

Yeah, he's like he's a unit. He's massive, bro

Fucking hated him on my team

So I'm saying probably moved

Yeah, overall I am moved and I'm like right now because

Like all the other teams on a friendship the West Conference meeting the Houston

Rod because the Denver Nuggets was being wildly inconsistent the Memphis the Minnesota term was even probably even more even more consistent

I think I kind of like

Insert the Lakers firmly so far these last like six seven games as a third message

Now there's a gap obviously, but I do feel confident in them being out right now. So I'm hearing his Lucas snatch and chains

Not to that she contains no, okay. Not even burning tattoos

That's too much. Okay, never mind too much. Okay. Okay. Okay. So it's like bringing doorbells and running away

Ding dong ditch

Donovan how do you feel about them in that pack? That's a really amount of right? Yeah, we're getting them peaking at a good time

We're seeing the health come together

Okay, I mentioned all the all the swing players are playing pretty well including Aiden

Rockets, Kim Bulls, Nuggets, Lakers, that's the tier probably at the top or towards the bottom

The towards the top. I don't think we should put Houston in that category anymore. Well they are though. They're for sure now

I understand the standing thing. I think if we're having a just a real conversation about what's gonna happen in a month

I don't think Houston should be in that in like a way to say they're forth and they say we had the least faith in them for all the things

I think for me it would be between

The Lakers and Denver for the top of that of that tier

of

They I feel much better about them than I did

to

When when was low on the show two weeks ago? It was what? A low

We have long two weeks ago two or three whatever because it because we then I was like oh yeah

I think I would take the Rockets in the series over over the Lakers

And that was kind of like on my last piece of hope and then since then the Rockets have been

Disgusting in so many in so many moments

I

I now would take the Lakers over them in the playoffs

So you said I feel much much better about the Lakers getting to the second round than I did two weeks ago

They match up much better at Denver now in the Luke era that's clear because

Nicole Yokech just completely owned Anthony Davis

So like it was impossible for the Lakers to beat them for so long. Yeah, Luca brings a

brings a problem that the Nuggets aren't prepared to solve as most teams aren't Lucas impossible to guard

unless you're the Boston Celtics or look Oklahoma City Thunder

He fries them and that kind of like

You know, we think the Denver Nuggets are the better more well-rounded team which is like undeniably true

The Lakers do have such a big advantage with Luca and the fact that there's nobody on the Nuggets

I can match up with him in any man meaningful way that I can understand if you have some more faith that the Lakers could actually beat them

Yeah, they they they can get there Minnesota

Obviously they just so up and down and like there

Their outlook is really like

Hey, like how are we feeling for these next two weeks? Yeah, and are we gonna lock in

Is our is our defense gonna gonna be able to be fine? Is everybody gonna be happy is everybody gonna be on the same page

Is aunt to pull up three really working like how how many things are gonna have to go right for them to

To knock off Denver in a seven game series. I have no idea like right now if they if they played they played the Lakers in the first round

coin to this

Minnesota they've just been trending down and so I think yeah, I think I would feel better about the Lakers in that series too. Yeah, I don't know. I think

It's it's a tough series series to call

But I think in general for the Lakers outlook

They still have no wings that are good at defense and that's like a non-agosable thing for like

Making the finals

I have no faith that they're that they'll make the finals. That's not that's not the question

Yeah, but then again, I'm just thinking like I know faith the Patriots make the finals either so in terms of like

Italy's open of shade turns an ankle and things are wide open

That thing that's kind of the viewpoint to talk about them in the rest of west with how muddy it is

Do I have faith the Lakers could have a chance as good of any of these teams of like being the team to make it out in an crazy scenario

Because you know nothing goes shocking playoffs in reality

They don't have any good defensive wings. That's a pretty impossible place to start from in the modern NBA

but outside of that like

With Reves playing this well and with at least the offense

Messing pretty well with LeBron third option and Luca hitting threes again and looking every bit of prime Luca as he's been

They probably have one of the higher ceilings of this conference

Even with the defensive woes assuming actually you can't assume that because in any playoffs series

You look at good 8 in games and bad 8 in games you have to chalk up some bad 8 in games

Hopefully we get four good ones and three bad ones. They can beat most of these teams outside of a healthy okc. So how

When we say like they have one of the higher ceilings for me that's either they have the third best or because once we get into like

You have the fourth highest ceilings in the conference. What do you do with San Antonio and like the youth factor there?

I think San Antonio has a much higher ceiling bit

I think they'll beat them like I will pick them 10 times out of 10 before the series

But you know we've seen this young team team like we can imagine a scenario where crazy shit happens

And then Luca goes sickle mode and like they find a effective way to double-team

Wembee and he shoots poorly from the field like it has a time to display off teams and the shooters on that team shoot poorly

Stuff on castles open in the corner every time like we can imagine as dooms a scenario for the spurs pretty clearly where they

Lose sooner than you think they would

So I'm just there's not like a 0% chance. Yeah, but that I think that's more about the floor of the spurs rather than like they're sealing not being there

That's what I mean. That's what I mean. I didn't mean to say they don't have a ceiling of course. Then okay then if we yeah

If we're talking we're having a floor conversation then I think that I think the Lakers

Hmm, that's not exactly like the floors low

But is it that low when they're healthy like there's such a weird team with how they're built that it's hard to think about you know. Yeah

They would probably

Eat I actually know even in terms of the floor like I think that their floor could honestly drop down a little bit more because we saw

We saw even last year you don't have you don't have any any bigs

You're playing with with Luca Reeves Lebron in a in a playoff setting

Lebron even though these diving over the floor now that

The athleticism and the peak athleticism between those three

Probably is gonna be lower and so when you add a playoff Deandra Atenor playoff Jackson Hayes

A not super athletic big three in that way you you mentioned the the lack of wings

It there's a this is a scenario where they also can't go into a series and get washed in five games again. Yeah

I agree and so it's super hard to talk about them. I can understand feeling that they're best team in this conference

I know I know I'll probably feel that way you kind of have to do that though too because all the other teams are

Super flawed. That's the same. I think more teams around every team that other tier is struggling more than them right now

I still feel like complex time Denver will probably get it right a little bit and I'll probably feel a little bit better about them

But as of today, I probably have the most faith at the playoff start today in the Lakers

But they also have such a clear deficiency that I could also see them getting smoke in the first round

Look what the Denver Nuggets did to discourse man being bombs for no reason come second half of the season on defense

Get it together be the clear second best team in the conference. We all know you should be run the gimmick back

Fire your coat

Let's talk about what's important in life. How do you guys feel about this shed honger and clip that came up on TV

Is that the cue

Someone said they saw this picture and said the price is five nine nine, but for you my friend it's five dollars

I thought this is

Yeah, right or no, I don't think so. I don't think so but he looks Egyptian really bad at it

I think they just fucked up the lighting really bad. Yeah, the color reading is terrible and the beard like

I guess I did a beard at some point and just got it looks real dark from the dark shadows

He looks Egyptian. Yeah, I don't think his ears ever been this thing

And that's ozempic salad

Oh my god, yes, dude

Were you my friend five dollars just like

What's going on shit

Looking for the eyes can imagine saying that

Chat you know, it's not real. Yeah, I have no idea why the why are how they did it

My show

Begin to wrap

These days, we can't scroll through Twitter reply

It's not a safe spot

I've been done that on stream before this website is fucking treacherous. Yeah, shout out the was it ESPN?

Yeah, yeah, shout out the ESPN graphics team for making

Shadow honger and exactly what he sees in the mirror

Oh, he sees

No, you're right. He sees the black out of your right, but it's closer to what he sees

We have we've helped his self image a little bit

Uh for every time we want everyone to hit the brakes on the spurs hype

Have you want to play off series? Everybody's a little fucked down. It's a marathon. Not a sprint

They're having a good year, but what's the finish line though? It's easy to say all this in the moments

Being 100 they beat our ass, but anybody in the media take your victory laps when we are just be when we was just beating they ass

I saw somebody quote uh red's pilot was like bro. We have one of well. Yeah

So uh, yeah, this is this is good hate surprising comment to see from preventably

Just say yeah, he's literally just saying

This is what happens when you're when you're a player and you haven't played all year

And like your team is on the on the downturn you start to look around and just like man, I'm I'm sick of this

I'm gonna I'm gonna just I hate just get on the mic and say something. I know he's really not that nice

If I was there, I would stop and then you get these moments

Yeah, some good old fashioned hate him from preventably who I'm surprised to see that from but I think we all understand

You just outlined exactly why it's happening and I and I like it too for the spurs rocket rivalry

Okay, more hate Kendrick Perkins compares Shade Gildos Alexander to Michael Jackson. We gotta stop doing this

He is the mic we had to stop comparing Shade and Michael. Let's see. Let's see. Let's see. No, we just have to talk. Let's hear him out. Let's hear him out. Let's see the reasoning. Okay

He is the Michael Jackson a basketball. He's an artist every album he puts out every year goes diamond

I have never seen a guard this efficient in my entire life. I thought I was glazing

Call him Michael Jackson. Wow. Okay. Let him cook

Yeah, get him off the ground now. Let him burn her off

Yeah, there's a

Come on man. Also, this is the second like music analogy that that Perkins used. He's been in his bag

He said Jellin Brown is NBA young boy. He's been in his bag. No, that makes no sense

I did never understand. Neither makes sense, but I want to keep going

I enjoyed the performance. I wonder what's his next analogy. He will he will keep going

We just got we got to stop invoking Michael Jackson's name when comparing him to people

Like he just he just can't do it. Even if what you're saying like I can I can have we understand the point that you're making

I don't by the way leave it leave it

Leave his name out of it. Is he calling Michael Jackson consistent? Okay. Yeah, I suppose efficient. All right

I don't understand even a little bit why Michael Jackson is a little there's been the name there

There's just been two there's been too many musical names this weekend that have been invoked

That should never have been invoked

Let's talk about something else that's been invoked confidence

Victor Roman Yama he vote right now the focus is on my body

Because I really want to win MVP and DPOI so I'm trying to press the gas

How do you feel about this comment? But him really wanted to win MVP

He's really aware of the 65 game rule and he's really aware that he cannot afford to miss no more games pretty much at this point at time

So it was the rest of the quote was hilarious around

Yeah, we get this from the same. We'll get to it. Don't worry

Funny as hell, but he's aware and he knows that you know, he's what you're this is your three of them be your four three

Year three Wembee and like we can walk away. Yeah, by year three you should have had like two DPOIs and knowing that there's a chance

Like he may not have nothing is really like kind of hinders his pathway to like gold status

He'd be the youngest MVP if he won this year

He take their groceries change need it take it. No, I can't take it take it take it

I'm it is kind of weird to me that he has been more in MVP conversation

I suppose is because he missed all those gamers early in the year

So the media kind of treated it like oh, he's clearly not gonna hit 75 65

So he's kind of been out of the mind, but the fact that like

I'm gonna keep Hayden the fact that Jaylen Brown gun MVP convo before Wembee

When Wembee is declared to see it in the Western conference

Being the best defensive player in the world who's hit like a mid season leap offensively

It's kind of crazy. He's not at least in the combo in the same way other people are in some key way

I'll tell you he's he's

If if she and chase probably gonna

Gonna make the make the games mark, but if she didn't that's my MVP. Yeah, if it's Shane Yokech today

We're just qualified. I think it would be Wembee and I wouldn't really think about it. I think even even with Yokech

I'm putting Wembee fair. I'm putting in my second fair. I agree. There's enough of a gap

defensively obviously

Obviously there's a gap too, but seeing like wind percentage and how drastic that is

What's the bigger cap offensively or defensively? That's interesting combo because Wembee's raw offensively

Still and Yokech might be the goat Wembee might be the goat defensive player. What's the bigger gap between the two? I think

I think your gap is defensively because offensively

Wembee he has playmaking in his mind if this was last year Yokech is like if this was if this was last year

Maybe it would probably be like slightly more more even Yokech is like

5%

Worst the way he was last year offensively, but obviously he's not like a worse player

But like just in terms of pure performance. Well, if you're just like what you know Yokech to be without the injury

Like just you know pig Yokech like let's say he gets healthy come play off time. He is the best offensive player you've ever fucking seen

Then I'd probably go it's gonna be defense because like

Yeah top five weapon in the league

Like I don't top five weapon. Let's say top 10 weapon for sure. Yeah top 10 weapons your goat offensive player versus

Abad's defensive center and goat defensive

Which is crippling. Yeah, the hard part there would be just how bad Yokech is because he does have some strength

He is pretty good in the inside breaking the passing lanes the big man stuff like that

And like is Wembee goat defensive level already or do we just say that like no, I think you use

Okay, I don't think we're just he's on he's on the short list of like of goat defenders

But when we I mean, but Yokech

If he's just being Yokech

He's gonna walk into 40 15 and 10 every single night in the playoffs

And the one thing that everybody was always like you got to take away his passing

And he now he's like okay, I'll score 60

Now what like and so I'll score 60. I'll get I get 20 assists

And and I get 20 rebounds like he is different when he's on his game. So I do think that Yokech

at his peak is

Worlds worlds better than then Wembee

Better

What is playing in my ear right now? You'll hear that

No, I can't hear it. Did you hear okay? I can't hear the club right now anyways the inflammation of my body is basically down everywhere except for one place

He let y'all know he's in real pain except for one place

He

There was silence in that room after he said that I know he wanted the tea so bad

Look like this on the right

And you can see it on his face after nobody right he was like damn

He's like I'm bombing out here tough crowd tough crowd

That's definition of tough crowd is that one of his first misses?

Yeah

Some people already think he's corny so

So those people this is like his 12th miss

All he does is miss

Yeah, you want to laugh at Daremore real quick before move on to the last segment. Oh, of course

Okay, don't make sure it's a safe space to hit on Daremore

Always uh Jeremy Kane today or yesterday 15 points 15 percent from the field

Bye for now from three plus 13 and only 17 minutes

The zodiac GM was right. He's a perfect fit. He's a perfect fit

That's what I'm taking the second to the moment of silence for daremore. He's credibility in the trademark it

And it's all like he does

Oh time for the last segment there's episode

Next thing we are gonna do

I'm in a name to you

Every single number one overall pick in the last 10 NBA drafts

We had to pick the biggest flaw

So some of these players are obviously good so I'm not so good

Whatever level of player they netted out to be after their draft year

What do you think is the biggest flaw in their game holding them back from hitting whatever the next level that's in front of them is

Okay, so first off Cooper flag the most recent one. What's his biggest flaw right now? Uh three points

You're probably right now

Whenever he launches it specifically off of the dribble to it's always going like it's always hitting the back

He's always way too strong

But outside of that like he's such a superb offensive player, but that's his biggest flaw

Yeah, and then hopefully I should come a time right it's really just that you're a rookie and you have this one glaring thing that I would assume

Year two you're gonna develop. Yeah, he can't be this bad of the shooter and as soon as it develops

And we're gonna be looking at the guy who we're gonna take the title away from palipan carol for the closest thing to LeBron James

That was a play the other day

He jumped from like two steps inside inside the food the line just just blew just rose

Was that jump for his slashing is crazy that size he's gonna be Caucasian LeBron James

When he gets down hit it is scary and it's crazy because like

He's he's obviously a rookie. He's like 19

In two years three years. He's gonna put on like 15 20 pounds. Yeah, just

freight train downhill and it's gonna be the battles between him and Wembee. Oh my god, man. They're gonna feed me so well

I mean eating

It's gonna be entertaining

Masterclasses time out historical battles free docking type shit

Free docking. Yeah, shout out for your Dawkins. Yeah, shout out feeding mode apparently he loves to be fed

Look at a

Zachary to say what is his biggest law?

I am mage and I never seen this picture. Take that fucking head off

Mo shaman's what is his actual biggest flaw outside of the laughing at him for not being number one overall pick worthy

What is stopping him from being a productive player from being a productive 3&d starter?

Um at the the three of the D top of the year. I would defensively he's actually really good. Okay

So it's the three. He's a supremacist. He's a great defender. Good lengthy guy

I made his guys uncomfortable all the time whenever he's like dealing with some topic. I was trying to get into his chest

He's good at absorbing contacts. Surprisingly, so defensively. I'm so happy with him

But offensively it's consistency. It's a service. It's creation or the want to they want to to be able to create

I don't know if he's like in the mindset of doing that or just he doesn't want to create an English shoot

He doesn't want to dribble time. He's still asking

Yeah, yeah, exactly

But more so is big and the biggest weakness. Quince I don't get a bucket. I don't want to tired

Anything will look like you put on my any team across the league. They're gonna be a better basketball team. Okay

We just like he's he's a good average player. That is a lot

You know, that's a lot if he was on your bench, you guys would be better

You would be better. Why isn't your starting line of because Quince

Quince is your coach. What do you mean? He should be in our starting line up. Oh, he said Quince

He's he hasn't been he hasn't been doing the best. Okay, the head coach stopped playing the year

If he was on your team if he was on your team, you we would look at you guys not differently, but

Look at the Lakers. I've already had Tori and Princeton Lakers. I don't miss him that much come. He's better than Tori

No, he's not I promise you

Everything all my soul. He's better than TP all my soul. He's better than Tori

Why don't you don't know that's no you're

Get the fly. I'm sort of choking all my soul. He's better than Tori. He's on defense alone

I think you're gassing to defense because there's nothing to point you off instantly

So you got a really hyper focus on the defense, but it's better than you think maybe it's not I'm not gassing

Is he a top-boy defender in the league? Yeah, the way he was talking about his defense was insane

I'm just I just say that to say it's like top 20 if there were four all defensive teams as he making

I'm not saying top 20. No, I'm not saying top if there were seven

Is he

I'm just saying

What is victory woman Yama's biggest law?

I was trying to figure out the way

I was trying to figure out the way to to put it to

Ball handling and core strength you can't blow my guys on ball because he's too weak right now with his lengthy limbs

He's a put on more muscle or

Learn his driving goes a tighter handle better. So you do more on ball creation. Offensively. He's so prone to having stinkers

Yeah, from the big range of opera flail. He needs more strength to be able to get his own shot off. We're often

Yeah, but outside of that nothing

Palabank arrow this suit. Oh, man. I thought you liked it. I think I did, but looking back. This is not good. He's gone older

Uncmoating

What are those pins?

Oh, yeah, I can't tell from this picture. There's Larry. Oh, maybe it's just a background color where I'm like

I like those colors. Oh, yeah, the purple doesn't lend itself well to this maroon in the back. Yeah

Yeah, I see it differently. I might like it again. Oh, I mean, we've talked so much about it. Just

Yeah, play style. Yeah, play style to the size of this shooting. Yeah, yeah, the shooting is probably the most important

We can just call that the jump shooting consistency and then more importantly

what

How often he gets aggressive as a driver when the jump shot isn't falling?

Him being able to know I need to get in the slashing mode more often because I need to

Because the jump shot isn't going to carry me to half-court efficiency

Yes in game adaptiveness is the thing and now in season adaptiveness

Let me see a full 82 games of you having a good feel for how much you should be slashing relative to the jump shooting and not just

Second half of the year turn-ups

He's gonna end up like saying who was like every year. He's good at something different. Yeah

So really what they've really dancers consistency. I need to see 82 games of efficient play and not these flashes

That's what really just being young. We need to see him get grown essentially and hit that prime level

Kade cutting him

He also has just efficiency issues. He's just not a good score

He's not a top-tier score and that's the biggest flaw if he was he would be look a donchage

But I think he's never going to be a like truly elite room finisher because the burst isn't like truly top tier

Yeah, and for what he is defensively and what he is as a as a distributor

That's perfectly fine. He can get just he still can get to and access a lot of spots on the court

But when it comes to this tough shot making that nest that just isn't in his game at this point in time

No, no, it's a that's the easy shot making because I know he's there

He does sometimes he doesn't oh hit the easy threes and create as many easy remittance

They he's not pretty good at the mid-range and being able to shoot over people and do the tough stuff

But the easy stuff doesn't come easy enough for him. Yeah, I low-key thing. Yeah

Both just might be tired like that's it. Yeah, like I think once like

We can kind of get away from from the spacing

But just the amount of effort that is needed every single play from cave to set up the offense

The amount of times that he sees double teams the amount of times that he that he sees pressure from from other teams

If you get somebody else who can dribble who well we've been saying for two years now

You can probably get another five to ten percent of energy from cave cunningham and you probably see

I think there's another leap from from cave certainly certainly based solely off of

Everything in this offense is not based on what I do and what I can accomplish 100 if we can get him an elite score next to him

And he can average a more efficient 21 22 points for game instead of a average efficiency 26 way better player. Yeah

100 percent way better player we need to get him a quiet Leonard

anti-edwards

Play making probably off-ball defense his off-ball defense has been dog shit this year. Yeah

That's not a big talking poor obviously last few games for him specifically and it's real

He is out there letting everybody cut back and forth

He pulls up his shorts and he locks up well on ball come playoff time

But regular season he doesn't give a shit about playing helps side defense. He's slapping the four. He's like I'm staying here

And I'm not moving. I got the corner

We have passing in off-ball defense

That's just stopping him from being like the best playing the world level guy. Yeah

Off-ball defense stuff. I feel like it would be so much better and I've seen it be better before

But obviously whenever I have seen it be better before he's tasked a lot less offensively

And now these days he's asked to be pretty much everything for the Minnesota so there's only so much energy that can be

Expended yeah, if he was a great shop blocker and like a really good passer at that point

We're describing six five LeBron James. Yeah, so it's asking for a lot for him to be great at everything

Just be amazing. How about you be perfect? How about you be literally Michael Jordan? How about that?

What are you prepared to do about that?

Tell me what you can't

Honestly

Listen, it is about time for him to turn into Michael Jordan

We've had literally literally evolve. We've had here's a rare candy. We've had so many

You're a little 36 now

So many of the of the Adidas commercials. Yeah, we've been taking shots at shade and obviously the team the teams are very very different

Yeah, but she goes in every time and just wins these games and he keeps sending them home and they had they were cutting the the promo earlier

And they were like, yeah, you know, they have the reigning MVP. They beat us in the conference finals last year

It's personal. I need to see that. I'm pointing on time

Do you think it like stops his team just stops taking a shot at shade because the heat or the team rule just can't do it now

It's probably one more play of loss they they probably have

Like one or two commercials already lined up. Mm-hmm. They're not shooting anymore

And we'll see that happens in playoffs if they beat the Lakers again

He's in a double down on Luca being fat in out of shape. If you beat Shay, he's in double down on that

They'll pick the target wisely. Okay. They'll hold summer to improvise. Swart sound Williamson

Was his one biggest flaw? What do you got a pinpoint to why he isn't who he is

Overall, we would say health if he's on the court

I think all the time that we talk about him differently

But also because like how his game hasn't changed and adapted necessarily

It's so hard to like sit down and talk about teams right now who need to trade for his own Williams

Because even if he was healthy like we're still coming back

It's still all things probably lead to this point right now where to move the

Pelicans are still ass

And just doing a whole lot of nothing under team. It's health and I wonder if the health is why he hasn't developed because he hasn't as many on court

Refusing needs

It's probably it's just hard if you're gonna scale down and be trade to a team where you are like a second third option

It's tough to also be a mediocre rim defender and non-existent shooter. Yeah, you got to pick one of those things

If you're good at if you're gonna be a third option

Yeah, yeah exactly so health, but it ties into just overall where's the evolution in your game?

Exactly lack of development over time

DeRondraiden

I would say pick one identity would go a long way

I would say stop listening to the monsters under your bed or

Be be fearful of the monsters under your bed and get to a new crib where there's no monsters

To get to a new crib you need money you get a contract

You need to lock in and get that contract

Every single year. Yeah, multiple personalities are not it is clear the biggest flaw in DeRondraiden's games

Is not being locked in we have good nights where he's very locked in

He's aggressive at the rim and the nights when he's locked at a school doesn't want to warm back in transition

Because he'd rather look at the floor and be sad doesn't want to jump high enough to catch every love

Doesn't want to fight for every board

Consistent energy is the story of his career. I wonder what his nighttime routine is man like what does he do to prep himself the madden 26

On allegations now

That he's be game until 2 a.m. Waking up tired doesn't want to go back in transition because his energy's low

You didn't Apple found soda under his bed man, I would do any I may I'll mail you a dream catcher in some like that

Put it above your bed, bruh something make a smoothie in the morning. He can apple against some energy going

You will come to work tired

It really like nothing I give him grace for like dropping a love not being quite high enough like all the stuff

The one thing I'll never look past is whenever he misses a shot

He doesn't swim back in transition. He looks down and jogs

Does that get the fuck back

Like it's understandable to miss a layup as a big not get back in transition that happens like every time

With to look down and I even try pick your fucking head

That's him switching

It's him hitting his fucking army tricks

I

Mark L. Foltz

Man light one up. I just saw that he got picked up by a glee team

I think was some I think was a raptors glee team or maybe the game's mushroom

Pretty clear can't shoot a lick pretty hard to be a point guy that does never single three push motorcycles as weakness

Did I ever get really confirmed? I wonder no never but like we all know it's real right like it was an injury

I'm gonna accident. I think so we know we don't report on it. Yeah, yeah, no gem shot to speak of is tough

You can get never come back from that

Ben Simmons also mind set

Health yeah, we give him so much flack his body fell apart. I know yeah back

I can't bend over pick up your fucking crayon off the floor. We're like you're weak. His back doesn't work. It sucks

That's why he didn't want to dunk on trio

I love that we hit on that so much

Just once

Everything that he all the great things down his career

That's what that's why he never wanted to take threes in game. Oh, this is a preseason game

He took a three in a preseason game and they were like oh my god stop the game

Give him the ball to take home. I love the tray

I'm specifically because it is very funny. Yeah, you should dunk that fucking ball clearly

It's also like understandable that in a high pressure moment

He got the ball it was like through to the next pass real fast and then realize it was tray fucking young

I don't think I don't think a moment like that is everyone is understandable like he should fucking dunk

But like I don't think he was scared to tray young

I think he was thinking too fast and maybe it's like a turnover like going out of bounds, you know

It's like the same thing is that you're an NBA player and you're wide open into paint