The relationship test and Spotify backlash

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You said something in the WhatsApp, but I thought it was quite tame hate, Bronn.

What was that?

I didn't say I'd get to put on notifications for a group chat.

No, I deleted it because I was like, I should be sending hate messages to the television.

Hello, hello, all righty.

Your microphone is not on.

Click on the button with the picture of the microphone.

Alex Dyson, I'm going to ask you a series of questions and I want you to give me an answer.

Okay, what color is a stop sign?

Red and whites.

What color is a tree trunk?

It depends if you've got a nice Australian eucalypt, it could be any number of colors across

the spectrum.

Just quickly.

Brown.

What color is a tennis ball?

Green.

That's yellow.

Is it yellow?

Is it yellow?

Yes, see, this is what, this is a debate that was going around by a gentleman I work with.

Thank you to bring it to my attention, Chanster.

It is actually officially optic yellow, which is a fluorescent color introduced by the International

Tennis Federation in 1972.

Well, I guess it sort of depends on the tennis ball, doesn't it, because the tennis balls

I used were not usually fresh out of an expensive can, but usually found in a sand pit or something

like that, they don't bounce, they just sort of find them places.

But that's the thing, so I always thought, because when he asked me, I said green.

Yep.

Brown, what would you say if I asked you a color of tennis ballers?

I say yellow.

Oh, okay.

Well, right now you know.

Cheat.

Well, maybe because, you know, watching the Australian open and recently blue,

caught yellow ball, those two colors together, make green.

Oh, there you go.

Well, I was interested, I didn't realize the color is optic yellow, and yeah, some people

think green, some people think yellow, I always just assumed green, but it's yellow.

Hey, we got a big one today for you.

Even bigger than that than the bombshells that are coming out already.

Yes, we're going to dive into it.

It's Matt and Ali, so they're breakfast.

Happy Tuesday.

Let's get this show on the road.

Let's go.

Here we go.

Here we go.

Someone said the supermarket the other day, Matt, browsing the aisles, and I got excitedly

beckoned, okay, down one particular aisle, wonderful partner, Annalise, was going down

to pick up the usual shampoo and conditioner, okay?

We're talking combo, it's a single bottle here.

We're not clocking the all-in-one body at the hair.

No.

Okay.

You've graduated from that stage of life, have you?

Not using the pert to in one anymore?

I don't think I ever did.

I did when I was about eight years old, I didn't think of anything better than just having

the old all-in-one go.

It does make it easier.

Well, actually, what is the bold regime when it comes to shampoo?

Is it just completely gone from your life, or do you?

Well, I just stopped shampooing my hair for many years in the lead-up.

My hair just was like, I'd just stop worrying about shampooing.

It's just going to put more stress on it, don't worry.

Yeah.

Yeah, so I didn't really shampoo that often.

But now, yes, it's just soap and sunscreen.

It's going to be real, sun, smart, nowadays.

Yeah, yeah.

That hot, Queensland sun.

No, it is exposed.

It's quick trip to the shops, we'll see you with a new scalp.

All right.

Once that peelage happens.

Well, at least you can sort of do the whole head, whereas if I had the little thinner patch

or the patch sort of putting in sunscreen into hair, it's not quite as good.

No, I can just once over.

Just rub my hair like I've walked through a spider web, just do the fuller right over.

Yeah, well, Annalise, and I'd say, Bronn, you'd sympathise with this.

People with long hair in general, this is your plan, your week around the hair wash.

This is some serious business.

Oh my God.

I know.

I'm like, hey, so are we going to watch something?

And she's like, yeah, sure.

I'm just going to wash my hair and I'm like, oh, cool.

See you in three years.

Like, what's your regime, Bronn?

Usually, it depends what's happening that week.

You've got to plan your week out.

This week, for example, I did Saturday night, and then I'll do again Monday night.

Is that because you weren't going out Saturday, but you had something like Sunday afternoon

or Monday morning?

Yes.

Exactly.

So it's 24 hours out kind of thing.

Yeah.

Then I want it fresh going into the office, seeing people on a Tuesday.

They'll have to do it Monday night.

And then depending, then they rest of the week gets a bit iffy, depending on what's

happening.

Why does it take so long?

Well, can I just rub your hands through your hair with the stuff, rinse it out and then

get out of the shower?

I think that actually washing is not the hard part.

It's the drying afterwards probably takes me the longest.

Drying long hair.

And that's like, I say to one of these, like, oh, do you want to go, you know, for a coffee

here?

I was like, I can't.

I'll have a shower, but I need to get out of the shower with my hair washed and it

takes longer to dry.

And so, yeah, it's two or three hours until we can leave the house at that point.

Yeah.

But anyway, it's interesting getting to talk about this because we were standing there

looking at these prices and she goes, oh, my God, her usual shampoo and conditioner,

20 bucks a bottle, right?

Yeah.

For 700 mil.

So we're bulky things.

And she's got three of them in her arm.

I'm like, what's going on?

And she's like, usually 20 bucks.

I try and buy them when they're like on special half price, 10 bucks a bottle.

Look at this.

Look at the price tag.

Reduced to clear $1 a bottle.

No.

No, no, no, no, that's not true.

I don't know what was happening, but that was and is the price, okay?

What if they did they discover anthrax in it or something like, why would you want to

clear that out so desperately?

I'd be worried.

For something with a long shelf life, you'd think there's no need to go down this low

surely, but lo and behold, there were shampoo bargains across the board.

The shampoo of this particular 700 miller already sold out, but the conditioners are there.

And so, and I was like, immediately three.

Is that all?

Mate, you'd buy 20.

If you went in expecting $20 for one bottle, you would go in and buy 20.

Yeah.

And so we were there and she's like, oh, my God, I don't need as much shampoo.

I don't use that as much.

It's more conditioning.

Oh, why is that?

She's like, oh, I've got like frizzy rap hair like I need, I need the sort of frizz control.

Am I okay?

And I'm going around like, what about this?

And she's like, absolutely not, not putting that in my hair.

And these are brains that grow up watching television, but I cried.

I know exactly the brand.

I know exactly.

I was under the impression this was the most luxurious brand you could buy.

Yes.

You know, the way that Adelaise scoffs at my suggestion of what about this, okay?

What about this?

Absolutely not.

Absolutely not.

It should be right.

It's got this in it.

Like this, she's like, no, my hair gets so frizzy and I add a control that I cannot have

that.

Okay.

I need these kind of things.

I'm like, okay.

Fair enough.

So we're looking around for, okay, what shampoo can we work with with this new conditioner

bargain?

Because the other ones have taken the shampoo.

And I find one and I think that I think I'm doing the right thing.

Oh, God.

And I say, oh, what about this one?

This is also like reduced, like 50% or more.

Like this is a good deal.

And I'm like, and look, says there it's frizz control and Adelaise goes, why would you

say that?

Oh, because you refer to your hair as frizzy right hair, but only you're not supposed to

think it.

I'm not supposed to think her hair is frizzy and I don't because I don't know probably

because she knows a shampoo and conditioner regime better than I do.

But I just thought, oh, man, I'm sure Maddo Khan may have over the years.

Is it certain points said the wrong thing?

Oh, my God.

No.

I'm stuck at the moment with Belinda walking up to me right now, apropos of nothing,

sticking a piece of cardboard in my face, going, which one do you prefer?

And I swear to God, she just painted this piece of cardboard and I was like, yeah, looks

good.

And she's like, it's three different colors, come on.

I'm like, what?

Wrong answer.

I'm like, yeah, it's literally just a, yeah, it's just painted a piece of cardboard with

one color.

She's like, no, look, she's holding it up and angling it to the light and stuff.

This is like, so which one do you prefer?

And I'm like, I don't know.

And then I choose one and then she's like, why do you like that one?

I'm like, I don't know.

I think it just has like slightly more blue in it and she's like, oh, that's funny because

the other one actually has more blue in it.

And I'm like, oh, doesn't then she flips a piece of cardboard around without me knowing.

It comes back two minutes only goes, which one do you like?

And I go, yeah, still the same one.

And she goes, that's a different one.

I flipped it.

What's up?

How the hell am I supposed to know?

Bronner Steve said the wrong answer recently.

Yeah, sometimes I do put him through a bit of riddles through the traffic.

Oh, so this is a favorite past time for you women.

Is this what you like doing to your partners is punishing us?

The girlfriend tests.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Sometimes I'm like, oh, what about this top of that?

So I don't care.

Whenever blah, blah, blah.

So I'm right.

And then sometimes, you know, seeing people on TV, like, oh, they're really hot.

And then you say that about women on television.

I'm dating him.

Right.

And just seeing what his response is.

So no, I'm like, I get this a good point.

Let's imagine one does get that bait.

Yes, please.

What is a little guppy like me supposed to do with that worm floating in front of me?

We're transporting everyone.

You listening right now.

OK, we're transported to the living room.

OK, a reality TV show is on the television.

You're sitting next to your partner and they say, geez, that person's beautiful.

Ron, what is the correct response for absolute dancers like you?

No, I'm going to give, I'm going to give my response.

You give your response.

And then we'll give Ron, if we're talking about a reality show, I will usually find some

sort of criticism to counter it.

Oh, good.

I was literally thinking that.

Yeah.

That's usually extremely superficial.

Yeah.

But I mean, if you're on a reality show, it's a high likelihood that looks is part of

the product of the show that you're selling.

So I will then be like, no, too much filler or something like that.

I don't know.

Yeah, too much makeup is a good one.

Yeah, just something like that.

I mean, is that the correct answer, Bronner?

Is that just, is that just no?

No, I don't, I don't want to neg the person.

Right.

Oh, no.

No, I just look like an asshole.

OK.

No.

The perfect amount of filler is, should we say?

Yeah.

OK, let me try again.

That was awesome.

Let me try again.

OK, here we go.

You say, I'll do that person's pretty good looking.

Oh, that person's really hot.

Oh, 100%.

Hotest person on this show without a shadow of a doubt.

Hmm.

I don't know if I like that either.

OK, OK.

Here we go.

Let's try it one last time.

OK, OK.

Here we go.

Goldilocks walking into the house.

That was two.

One was too cold.

One was too hot.

Give us the just right response.

OK, Matt.

Bronn, cumy.

Oh, she looks really beautiful.

Sorry.

There's just 30 seconds left in this chess game.

Give me one second and I'll look up.

I do rate that.

I do rate that.

Oh, really?

I wasn't paying attention.

Yeah.

Nice one.

Nice one.

A oblivious.

No, no.

So what do you want to say, Bronn?

What do you want us to say?

Now, here's the thing about this.

There's no good answer.

Oh, great.

Wonderful.

It is purely a trap.

It's a trap.

It is.

So what should I?

Because I mean, I mean, yeah.

So what?

I think no comment.

It might have to be no comment is the thing we bring out.

I think so.

Because sometimes he knows what I'm doing.

Now I do it as a joke.

Yeah.

I'm just constant baiting.

Sometimes it'll be like, you know, oh, what would happen if I turned into, you know.

A word.

Well, I know that exact example was something like that.

Yeah.

What if I shrunk down to three inches tall?

Like.

So what he has to keep you in his pocket.

Just, you know, like you're a role dial character.

I guess.

Steve and the miniature Bronn or whatever.

Exactly.

But then there's been pulling out these ridiculous questions for me as well.

She's like, okay, what about this?

The new guy from math.

The one who talks too much.

And then the Trump supporter.

Which one would you prefer to be stuck on a plane?

And it can't take off.

And you're in Canberra.

I'm like, what?

What?

Why does any of this have to happen?

She's like, and I'm like, well, I don't want to talk to the Trump supporter.

Okay.

Yes.

But the guy who talks too much is going to make you play Zelda on the X.

I'm like, I don't want.

What is this about?

Oh, the incredible scenarios.

All right.

If you had a relationship test, let us know.

Matt.

N.

Should we talk about the Spotify backlash?

Like, it's a tough one because, I mean, obviously we're home to listener.

And we don't want to be coming across as, I don't know, criticizing, I mean, by place

that we're also, what, we're on Spotify.

So then again, I don't want to bite the hand that feeds me, but I have noticed a couple

of people in our circles at the moment, Daiso, there seems to be somewhat of a backlash

against people promoting this new feature on Spotify.

Yeah, you know, questions of morality come up a lot, particularly nowadays, where a lot

of things that you do can be seen and viewed and witnessed and have an opinion on very,

very quickly and easily.

And there was, if you missed it recently, an extra proJ presenter who did a paid partnership

with Spotify to promote one of their new features, which was AI-generated playlists.

So instead of, you know, looking up the song and dragging it in yourself, you could tell

it's to make me a playlist of Australian artists that are smaller than 100,000 listens

a month and you indie rock kind of thing.

And you know, however many in the person does that for you and the comments section was

particularly, you know, critical of this decision to team up with someone, particularly

because in a past life, this person had been the one to create these kind of playlists

for people using their human brain and the human tastes and picking out not only the songs,

but I guess the styles and the energy and the interestingness of the songs.

And so around the comments, people were talking about that.

And I guess that's tied in with the greater march towards AI, but also when it comes to

Spotify as a company, you know, whether it's the CEO or founders investing in, you know,

dubiously ethical war technology or any number of other things, it ended up being a different

list of grievances and then comes down to something we've sort of talked about a little

bit on this show before, Matt, about our own personal ethics and the, do you say yes

and the people that we, when a pitch comes through of, oh, do you want to work with these

guys?

I'd read an ad for these guys and we say, no, thank you for asking though.

I did find it interesting because I saw it on, I saw almost the exact same plug happening

on two music journalists pages.

One is the extra proJ person that you're talking about.

And the other was a previous Rolling Stone journalist, Rolling Stone Australia.

And I don't want to name their names.

I love both of them, by the way, I find them highly respected and I really like both their

work.

I don't want to name their names just because I don't want anyone to keep going after

them if that's what's happening.

But I found it funny because certainly the presenter from Triple J seemed to cop a lot

more flat than the person from the commercial sector.

That is, does somewhat fit in with the thing we've, I believe also touched on before, is

the people doing the best often then get held to the highest standard, you know, which

is good.

You don't want people to be hypocritical in this world, but also it means that the

person doing the best gets criticized the most in a lot of instances and where, you know,

Matt and Alex, it's like you should play more Australian music or you should play this

or you should play this and we're like, we're like, what about Kyle and Jackie O, to

like, yeah, but they won't listen to me, you know, they don't care about anyone's opinion

and we'll do whatever they want to get the ratings of the money that comes with it.

Whereas we'd probably like do the public apology and the groveling like, thanks for

bringing up.

It's actually quite a good point because a lot of the comments like they were coming

through because part of it that I didn't mention the Spotify thing is the amount of money

that artists get paid by Spotify, suddenly this person is getting a lot of it in one go.

Mmm, that's right.

Their people are saying, hey, you just got paid heaps to do this post and where the ones

making the music and doing it and we don't get paid anything.

Yeah.

And so it's interesting going through the comments and obviously there's very levels

of degree of upsetness and- Did you go through the comments?

I looked at a couple of them, yeah.

And it's interesting because it's difficult to disagree with the comments and where people

are coming from.

I think what's hard as well, in this instance, when it's coming from the musicians and

they're all sort of saying, hey, this is a cop out and feeling let down for that particular

person, I think that would have hurt quite a lot because that's someone who we both

know has been extremely supportive of these musicians in the past and probably gone out

of their way beyond, above and beyond, to support music.

And then to have the community turn on you, it would have been quite a rare and scary

moment for them, I'm sure.

Definitely.

Because we're on Triple J for a long time and sometimes we'd play a game when there

was a hate text that came through or it offered a Facebook comment, we'd read each other

the hurtful comment and then we had to guess, like we told the other person, I picture

in the mind, the profile photo of this person saying this thing and then we'd turn the

computer around to see it.

And often it was the exact person you'd expect to be dropping F-bomb.

Well, can we just clarify, though, the way you do that is a lot of people when they signed

up for their Facebook didn't realize that they would put their phone number in their Facebook

account.

So you can actually search profiles with phone numbers.

So back in the day, if you text into the text line, you'd be like, we'd get your phone

number and then we'd find it on Facebook.

And often you'd be able to find the person straight away and you're right.

The text would match the face.

And the good thing about that is like, oh, you realize what I'm doing is not for this

person, this person, I don't particularly agree with their opinion in probably most things.

And so I don't particularly agree with their opinion on our show.

Whereas as you say, Matt, a lot of nice Australian musicians who you want to be supporting

a suddenly feeling let down by something you've decided to do is brutal.

And just on tracking down people, though, Brian, I'll just let you know, you put posted

a little bit of hate that was getting received from your new reality TV account.

Analyse my private investigator girlfriend, I think we've got the person.

I tracked them down.

Okay.

You got them already.

Good.

Did you also go through their Sony PlayStation username in order to find out because they

used the same username on PlayStation this later?

Oh my God.

That was a Spotify comment, actually.

I went through a different route.

I got their business, their mom's account, their personal email address and phone number.

Okay.

Good.

Well, you and Analyse can confirm.

Wait, wait, wait, Brian.

What was the, what was that?

Was it that bad?

I was so annoyed.

There's just a hater on Brian's account.

But what I thought, you said something in the WhatsApp, but I thought it was quite

tame, hate, Brian.

Yeah, that one was, and then I realized there was another one.

That one got posted three times the one you're referring to, Alex.

The one I was sent in our group message, I was just sending that as, oh, wear friends.

This is funny.

It was about me and Alex.

And then I was like, lol, and then I was like, I didn't say I've got to put on notification.

No, I deleted it.

She deleted it.

I didn't know why I deleted it from her.

Well, then I deleted it because I was like, that's a producer, I shouldn't be sending

hate messages to the television.

Yeah, it did bag you out slightly, Alex.

But I mean, that's fine.

But back to this particular incidence, the interesting thing is, yeah, when you read

through the comments of people like AIs is taking a lot of these jobs of like human curation

of music is the beautiful, we want to hold on to that.

You're going to see, understand my people are upset with that.

You're going to understand my musicians are upset with the amount of money they get paid

as a musician.

Like you can't really make a living off it anymore.

You've got to do other jobs and then seeing the same company that pays you 0.00, whatever

cents per stream is paying these other people to make their own jobs redundant.

It's just watching this disintegration and then you've got the higher up billionaires

controlling things.

Craven says, you read through the comments and you're like, oh my god, yeah, I'm not disagreeing

with these in general under this person's post.

The problem is by posting about it there, yeah, this very nice person doesn't want to be

doing the wrong thing.

And in fact, probably like, once you leave Triple J and you would have faced this as

well, you get pictures from people like, hey, do you want to talk about this?

And sometimes they come through and I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess I could talk about these

chocolate snacks that I've never had before, tell people to go by them.

We're like, oh, yeah, I guess I could talk about this.

Yeah, I could try and do that.

I wouldn't talk about that.

Oh, my god.

Okay.

Here is someone in the music industry talking about discovering new artists.

Could you do a paid presentation for that?

You'd probably like, few relief.

This is something that's not, I'm not crow barring into my feed.

I'm a music person.

I know exactly what you're saying.

I'm serving a music.

You can align with that brand quite easily when you're in the music industry.

And as they described, it's like, this, you know, AI playlist finder, it's not for people

who know a lot about music and spend a lot of time doing these playlists.

It's for someone who thinks they don't have time to support Australian music or go through

a playlist.

And in fact, you could just type in, oh, can you make me a playlist of a Australian artist

that sound like Taylor Swift?

Because I like Taylor Swift, but I want to support Australian music.

Because it's a quick, easy way to do it.

Maybe that could help in general.

So now this person's getting dragged in their comments.

And with a lot of points that are good points, but suddenly they're going to think about

and other people are like, oh, maybe I don't put stuff out anymore.

Like that's happening.

And the main thing that I end up thinking is like, can we take all of these good points

and attacks and put it on to the, like, I just wanted everyone to come and help me

in one and, you know, I just want people to spend their time.

And we get into power and then legislate, all right, these big companies, you have to

support Australian music in this way.

Oh, could you do that?

And this sort of small, ticky, tacky, valid concerns in comments sections of good people

generally's accounts, that time and energy could be spent fighting the good fights elsewhere.

Does that make sense?

Yes.

But then the argument is, well, if we can get to this person, then they say no to the

big brand and then they, they don't support it, then the brand doesn't get the awareness

about the product that they deserve and then they start seeing a less revenue and people

users go down.

So it's all like that ground floor kind of rebellion and fight.

So look, we're not going to solve it, but it's important to talk about.

And also if you're listening to our show on Spotify right now, thanks.

She is, bro.

Yeah, exactly.

Thank you very much.

Leave a comment.

I didn't realize you could leave comments as a new update from Spotify comments sections.

That's where that message came from was the Spotify comments.

Oh, so that's where you got your first hate.

You got your first hate from a Spotify comment?

I know, the betrayed me.

Well, get on the listener app, people.

All right.

Thank you very much.

This thing's another episode of Matt and Alex all day breakfast.

We will be back with you tomorrow, same time, same place.

We can't wait to see you then.

Bye.

Keep it up to the set, Matt.

Don't end it.

Bye.