The Tactics Show: Defeat at Newcastle

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So Newcastle 2 United One, where did it all go wrong?

This is the tactic show I made with Daniel and Darnish.

How's it going, Chaps?

Are you over it?

Are you panicking like the rest of the United fan base?

There's a massive freak out going on.

Darnish, what's going on?

Firstly, I'm really hungry because we haven't obviously sifted out, but I haven't had

a full meal.

But I know I'm not over it, to be honest.

No, like I'm not.

There's some fans who are like, yeah, you know, it's just one loss in 11, which is fine.

But still, all the losses sting, all the losses sting, I don't care who you are.

Because I looked at the table and it's like there's three points between four teams.

We're absolutely in the Champions League race now.

That's second half.

I don't care what stage of the season is at, and character's done a fabulous job.

That second half was a huge opportunity, a huge opportunity to get three points against

10 minutes.

It just absolutely was.

And look, Karik has been stupendous.

Okay.

I see a lot of hate online for him.

I don't agree with all of it at all.

But the wonderful honeymoon period that he had at the beginning will not matter if it

doesn't end in the Champions League qualification.

Very true.

Daniel, how's it going?

How are you feeling about this one?

I was fucking revolting that second half, wasn't it?

But I see it slightly differently to Darnish in that I think that we've seen this coming

over the last few weeks.

And if I look at Karik's time, we said this on the main pod, maybe last week and the

week before, the first two performances, Arsenal City, were brilliant.

Where you could see the manager coming in, not just picking the right to theirs and the

right formation, but making tactical changes that were working for the team.

We haven't seen much of that since, but I thought we played OK off in the last hour

of the Palace game after the first half hour and we smashed up Tottenham because every

Cunt does that.

But apart from that, I feel like each game, I'm closer to saying now, man, to Karik.

And I felt like what we saw yesterday was a culmination of what we saw against further

and what we saw in the first 30 against Palace, what we saw against West Ham, what we saw

against Everton, because Darnish talked you about the second half and I agree that was

a ridiculous missed opportunity.

But we've wasted every single first half, sit apart from Tottenham and I feel like there's

the bit of me that saying maybe this is the best that Karik can do with these players.

There's no midfield, really, there's no width and Dorgie's injures and the fallbacks

aren't able to supply attacking width.

I'll give him all of that, but I'm also feeling like we're not seeing any of the rondo's

that they were able to create in the first cup of the games that we do our technical

players to show their class.

That might be the opposition, but yeah, maybe we're being stopped from moving from progressing

the ball centrally and we don't have shit out-wise, we're not, we're getting pressed,

we got pressed by 10 men, we didn't know how to spread the ball, man to man, say the

substitutions were wank, I mean, whatever the question is, the answer is not, good God

say, and that's the answer, yeah, that's the one, let's get into the wire a little bit

about, because I agree with that assessment that those type rondo's were united played

the high-risk football to get out of difficult positions and get it forward, that's kind

of disappeared, but I do wonder whether some of the opposition, making it really hard

by overloading in certain areas of the pitch and going man to man and we saw Newcastle

in that second half yesterday still having dominance in central areas despite having 10

men, so I guess the question to you, Danishes, why were they able to do that and why were

united not able to, why did it seem like they had zero energy when I suspect it was more

of a tactical issue and we couldn't adjust to Newcastle who said, hey, no problem, we'll

play the game in the central, the central of the pitch where we have a man extra, you

can funnel it wide as much as you like and you'll never do anything with it, am I seeing

that wrong?

I thought it was very simple, Tonali Jorlinton and I want to say Jacob Ramsey before he

got sent off, 3v3 in the middle of the pitch, Casamiro Mining, Brass and Anders, will it

come on after, 3v3 in the middle of the pitch, very simple, first half, Newcastle away

at St James's Park as well, you know, it had been struggling against Everton, Fullham

and West Ham when they have it in deep buildup, maybe it's because there's a certain Argentinian

who is injured once again and he can't progress the ball.

So that means that, okay, do we give the ball to Harry Maguire, but what they were doing

is they were pressing to make sure that that kind of didn't happen.

The, going 3v3 in the middle of the pitch basically means that you limit the progression

because this team has been very successful under Carrick in doing what a lot of teams in

the Premier League are finding very difficult right now and that is punching the ball

through the middle. Right? When this team was successful against City against Arsenal, even

those other performances, those wins have counted for something because we've been able

to punch the ball through the middle. Martinez is injury probably doesn't help with that,

but then also what I want to touch upon is, in the second half, when Eddie Howard's gone

432, okay? Yeah. And he has very clearly gone, okay, I still want 3v3 in the middle

because if you stop Bruno, where okay? But he didn't bring a great 8 chances.

That by the way is absolutely fucking nuts because he did not play well at all and he

created 8 chances and set up the goal. But what I want to say is, if it's 432, it was

so abundantly clear to me that the space is wide, okay? The space is absolutely out

wide and I think he got it wrong. He got it wrong for once. I still don't understand

why he bought Guatin, Dallawan, he bought Diallo on far too late. Far too late. By the end,

I was like, okay, our best two chances was the Euroheader and I think there was another

one where there was a cross. And we only played with intensity in the last 5 to 10 minutes

if we played the whole fucking half like that. Or are we saying they're not fit enough

to do it, even against 10? I don't know. I thought Newcastle did it exactly right,

right? They said, where are United weakest? The weakest in the wide areas, they can't

progress from the fallbacks or the fallbacks aren't able to get out of the pitch and provide

any quality, we'll let you play through the middle. And the risk there was that Bruno would

pick out a pass, which he did and we didn't finish and so they got it right. Anyhow, make

the changes right. Carrick make them too late. But I guess the question is, from a tactical

point of view, have all these managers, West Ham, Everton, Fullham, Newcastle, Spurs

before they got the red card to a certain extent? Have they got it right by going man to man

stopping the United progressing? My teenage was able to break those lines. Heron McGuire

is not. And yesterday, what we ended up doing was Laman's going long to Cunya, which was

an amaranth tactic and it happened over and over again as a result.

I just didn't, I couldn't put my finger on why they were doing that. Maybe because he's

taller than Trippier, but I was like, why are you going long? If you, right, Newcastle

have no pace, okay? In their backfall, they've got none. So just punch it in behind, get

it on the floor and punch it in behind on the floor. I don't get why it was a clear target,

okay? I saw too many times for it to not be on purpose that Laman's was going long

to Cunya on purpose on Trippier side. And what I would say is as well, Karik inherited

a lot of problems from Amram and he tweaked it and found a lot of solutions to what Amram

did wrong. Now he's running to his own problems, but I would say give him some time to find

the solution to his own problems that he's ran into because those winds, okay, Daniel's

right, we saw it coming a little bit and maybe the wheels were filing off just a little

bit. He's had a long time to pair for all of these games and they were the bullshit

and the same. And that to me, that that's, I mean, I'm not saying no to Karik, but it is a

refer, though, these are reflexes to me. Well, I guess the question is, would a,

would a different magic have come up with different solutions? And Karik said after the game

yesterday, we've got to learn from this, that's a platitude, it means nothing. He didn't want to

talk about it, did he? Yeah, and that, and there's they actually learn from this and like,

solved this problem, which is teams understand how United want to build up now. We will,

presumably, in 10 days time when we get the next game, have Martino's back, we were told

it wouldn't be very long, although they lie to us all of the time, this club about injuries.

I mean, I have a question, I think, about the attacking set up in that, if we're going to play

with a centre-forward that is Cesco, and he made himself undropable, we have Karik had to pick him

ultimately. Then I look at the players around him, and one thing I'm thinking is, we don't have

anyone who wants to run at defenders and commit them apart from Anad, so even though I guess I'd

thought that he should have been left out for Cesco, having seen it without him, I'm thinking,

I actually don't, I don't know that I want that, or at least, I would be picking ML probably now,

whilst thinking, do I actually need to sign an upgrade on Amad in the summer? But also,

we've got Unbumo and Kunya, who are excellent players, but they don't want to provide. So we've got

this big centre-forward, and we've got these good players around him, but the only one that

seems to want to hit him is Bruno. He already got a kick of the ball last evening,

so there you go. Part of me is like, obviously, if we're going to be in the Champions League in

particular, you need a squad, so I'm not complaining that we signed Cesco, that we signed Unbumo and

Kunya, I am wondering, if Cesco is going to be our number one striker, I'm wondering, A,

is there room in the team for both of them? And I'm also kind of thinking, is there even a room

in the team for one of them? Because, do I actually want to, if I've got Cesco, do I want two

wingers? Or am I saying, if we get signed two fullbacks, who can properly attack and keep the width,

they're maybe those guys would be all right, but I'm feeling there's a problem with the blend.

Yeah, well, no, that's certainly true, the problem with the blend, because everyone wants to

come into central zones, and I wonder whether part of the solution goes. It's not just that.

It's not just the, that is part of it, it is partly coming into central zones, but Kunya wants

to shoot, and Boomo wants to score, it's that, how are we pinning the opposition? And so that's

partly about stretching the pitch, but it's also how are we going to create? If, if Boomo was coming

inside off the left, because Amad wants to come inside as well, but he wants to, he wants to commit

a defender and find a pass, and Boomo is looking to be pass two to get a goal. So if you think about,

so if we, if, if discussed that, and Boomo is not dissimilar in some ways to, uh,

Salah, who does Salah play as best we're able with? Firminio, because Firminio wasn't a center for,

we're going to score, so then you play with the pivot center forward, and you've got Manay and,

and Salah, who are inverted wingers attacking the box, I can understand how that works. Yeah,

but with Cesco, he's not, he could do a bit, he can do a bit of that, but that's not really what

he's there for. See then, then you want, defend, you want low, low and high, you want high

crosses to the back post, you want him running across the front post, low crosses, well, that kind of thing,

these guys aren't going to give you that. So I, they're all good players who are good enough,

I think, to play if you like, and probably good enough to play and see challenges to the big

pots, but as a blend, this bit, this bit has been clear, and that was the club understand this

as well, because that's why they went for Antoin Salmeno in the winter window, but he doesn't

want to provide either. He's another one. He's a goal scorer. Salmeno is, he's, he's not a brilliant

technical player. Well, brilliant about Salmeno is he knows where the goal is, he knows where

the ball's going to be, he knows that score. He's not, he's not looking to get around the outside

and hit, and cross, cross for a center forward. He's someone who's looking to, looking to score like,

it's not coincident, so I think, but he's obviously scoring every five seconds, hard and is not,

because he's not getting that level of service anymore. No, but what I mean, Dan, is that, you know,

he's a player, he's not a purely outsider in player, right? And he can play on both sides of that

front three. Salmeno, they, they want a player who is able to go both ways and not always come

into central zones and it's compounded by the fact that United have two fullbacks or four fullbacks,

depending on how you want to think about it, who do not want to get up the pitch or can't do it

in Luke Shaw's case. And, and so then you've got, couldn't you come in inside to zone 14, Bruno

playing there, and Bruno moving into the strikers slot, which is sesco's role, and you have an

imbalance in the team as a result, which would be solved if you had two fullbacks that were very,

very high up the pitch, and Casamero just dropping into to make it back three when you build up.

The rest of it, right? That's what that's the theory is, and, and carrot wants to do the

asymmetric fullbacks as well, right? And he just can't do it with this set of players.

You need not Casamero, I think you need someone able to cover more ground more quickly than

Casamero. For sure, I'm just saying that's what he's got to deal with now. Yeah. I will say as well,

I think the dynamic has worked. It is just one game. We've seen, we've seen, we've seen signs of

the fact that he might not be working against Everton, Fulham Palace, but he did get West Ham.

He did hit your West Ham as well. He got the changes right in those games. Okay, he made the tweaks

necessary. Yes, okay, we just, we did about, we did grind those wins out, but this dynamic

because it's been okay. Boom was not having his best game. Kuni is doing okay. He'll score.

Kuni is not having his best game. Sheshko will score. And it's, it's normally been,

they've never had a period where it's been all three firing on all cylinders. It's, it's been one

of them playing really, really well. So if we can get, if we can get a pair of them firing at the same

time or all three, that'd be great. But I also feel as though Sheshko is the striker to pin defenses

back, right? And Boone and Kunia, for some reason, none of neither of them are dropping in

buildup anymore. And they were doing that when Sheshko wasn't playing. Sheshko is now penning

defenses. One of you needs to drop in and help out with the buildup. I don't get why they've got

rid of that when Sheshko is playing. When he wasn't playing, they were dropping when they,

when they needed to be further up the pitch. But I just, I feel as though in these next games,

in the remaining, I don't know, 10 games or nine games, whatever it is, Karik has more than

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Yes. Of course, he's got that time anyway. Questions about whether he gets the job or something

else gets the job can wait till later. He only took five games for people to start having that

conversation. We can park it. The club have said quite clearly that they're going to walk to the right

solution, not run to the wrong one and all of that. They normally walk to the wrong one.

But let's hope they get this one right. He's got those nine games in order to get united into

the Champions League. He would have to be quite a meltdown to not get into the Champions League.

And it's going to be five, right? Now, a similar falling off a cliff and we can basically put

them to bed in the next game. It's still in Europe as well. And they're playing

real, which is a hard game, a way to real on the Thursday night before they play us. But to come

back on what Don is just saying, I agree with quite a lot of it, but I also kind of feel that

the character made good changes blah, blah, blah. I still think that we won those games on talent,

really. Sure. Sure. Fine. As in carrot going, let's bring sesco on when we hit a

cane's for them. Fine, but he's still he's still needed to make those changes, right?

I know I'm I'm in what I'm in wouldn't have made those is what I'm saying. He's come

comparing and not comparing anyone to that cloud. I mean, he did it again last night,

maybe a little bit late, but he brought on another strike a last 10 minutes.

He made those changes. And I think that we should give him credit for that while still criticizing

the game against Newcastle. Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying that what I've seen because for me,

it's not about last night, last night was poor, but if it was if it if the other games that we'd

won had been good, I wouldn't I barely be thinking about it. Just like it was time happens.

It's the fact that it was a culmination of ever increasing shitness,

similar levels of and similar methods of that makes me the makes me wonder. And if if we get

champions the winning in the way that we've won the games post Arsenal, I would not employ Carrick.

Yeah, I think we can park that we can park that question for a while. I mean, it's very long

job interview, isn't it? For Carrick and you know, 17 games is is I think you can make an

assessment at least on giving someone a contract doesn't mean they're going to take united to

project one 50 and win the title, which is like this is supposed to be the next appointment,

right? If we get into the champions, the next one is supposed to be the guy who can win the title

for united in our 150th year, 2028, so on and so on and so on, right? So yeah, we're good signings,

we can have a dot next season. We can if we got three top class central midfielders,

we finish next season. I know, I know, I know, we can laugh about it. Just imagine the world,

imagine the world. I stay with me here in which we get three really good central midfielders.

We will have a big budget if we're in the Champions League, it will be 250 million given the

the players that are going, right? So that's enough to buy you three midfielders of a pretty high

quality. You know, it will probably finish another 10 points further ahead. We're going to finish

this season with 62 63 points, 73 would get you to second or third in the league, you know,

something like that. And then 2028 for a shot of the title, that feels doable and realistic.

But those questions are super long time. Right now, he's got these nine games. So,

look, can we talk about before we head off? Can we talk about Aston Villa? Yeah. Why they've

revered to the mean, the tactical issues that Emory has said publicly in his last press conference,

he can't sort out and how you might go about beating an Emory side because he has had quite an

Indian side now for United. As an E, you know, he's he's given us some trouble over the years.

We know how Villa are going to set up. How do we set up against Villa?

Darnish, I'll go with you. How are we going to fix this balance? Imagine that Lissandro Martinez is

back. High line, high line, high line, Bruno, get the ball, put it in behind 15 times. And

okay, how many times you try it? Okay. What's the Chelsea game last night? The first half and then

some of the second later on, they manipulated the life out of their high line. Like Enzo did it,

Parma did it, Gamato did it, Pedro did it, every time they pushed up high, they made a run from

really deep and got in behind and then they ended up scoring four goals from it. Still test that

high line, we've got the best creator in the league, possibly in the world, to punch balls in behind.

The other reason is well that they have fallen off a cliff is because they've got stupidly crazy

injuries in one position, in central midfield. They've got Euro-Tillermans out, they've got McGinn out

and they've got Kamar out. Now you may think that, okay, yeah, but they can still compete with that

because they've got Anana and he called Douglas Louise back up midnight when over a glass of wine

or whatever. But that is not, those three players, Kamara McGinn and Tillermans are really

industrious because they can play on the left, they can play in the middle, they can play on the right

and they tend to invert a lot. So they've lost that industry in the middle of the park and they

now are just kind of reverting to counter attacks. I would, I think not the villa there for the

taking, but all Trafford at home to villa, test that high line, play and keep playing and boom

away in behind. I'm just wondering whether I would start chess, which seems odd to say because I

know he's the man in form. I was thinking about that as well, but if you look at Cisco's profile,

I mean, I think it's a fair question, but the profile of Cisco and the types of runs he makes are

channels, right? So test villas ability to push out 10 yards further than they might want to

and far post. All the data shows it. Daniel's point earlier about making crosses,

it's not happening, but the running the channels is where Bruno will find him. Bruno will play 15

to 20 balls in that area into the final third. Those numbers, those are rocky numbers,

but it doesn't even matter if it's a 50% completion rate, right? Because if you create six or seven

chances with the quality we've got, you should be scoring a goal or two, right? Daniel, you were saying.

I was thinking about, if you, because if you've got Amaz, then that same high line situation,

because if you beat the first man, then there's also a lot of space. My guess, if I was guessing,

I reckon it will be not Cisco. I think it will be Amaz. Would either of you take a risk on playing

Amaz or on Boomer on the left, right? Different balance, because then you stretch the pitch a bit wider.

That way, whatever. I mean, I'd also, I mean, he won't do it because he brought

on fucking Melassia, but I'd have also, if I need to do the left back, I'd have brought heaven on

yesterday. I would have brought heaven on, that was criminal. And obviously cost us the second

goal. That's a good thing. I mean, Melassia, like, it's, it's so brilliant, like watching Melassia

just completely, like, he needs a map to find out where the game's happening. It was very odd,

actually, because Colconi was on the bench and he's been playing it left back for the 21s and

looked really good. Very well, apparently. You can see why he wouldn't bring on Kokonki, but at the

same time, you're giving, like, Melassia never plays. You're just giving him the opportunity to

become himself and become you. And that was exactly what happened. Is it a verb? It is now.

To the surprise of absolutely no one. But I think, yeah, I think the last couple of games probably

have shown me that not that we can't play well without Amad, but and he wasn't playing that

well in the look up of the games before we got, before we got left out, but the balance of the

team, and I don't just mean, like, the balance in terms of having a left foot through. I also mean

the dribbler is necessary, I think. So I would go back to Amad and I could make a case for leaving

out any of the other three. My guess is with Karik as the ill probably be sesco because he's the

easiest to leave out. And probably the way that he wants to play football is without a massive

centre forward. It's probably not his exact, his precise game model. I don't think he's going to

leave out on Bumeau. You might, he might leave out, couldn't you? But then you also playing in Bumeau

out of position and you're still not getting, I mean, you might get a bit more with and Bumeau is

not a guy that needs to stand on the touchline, keeping with it. It annoys me when he does that,

actually. Playing, playing in behind the amount of goals he scored for Brentford and the amount

of goals he scored for us in behind one-on-one with the keeper. So one thing I want to see from

a Bumeau that I haven't seen yet is I assumed that with the Bumeau and sesco in the same team and

Bumeau takes good corners in swingers, we'd be seeing balls to the back post because if sesco gets

up, then he's, if he times it, he should win almost every header. I don't really understand why

we haven't seen very much of that. Not enough, yeah. For sure, I thought we'd see more

because sesco makes those runs consistently makes those runs. The one challenge with the,

the blends when we had Bumeau, Amad and Kunia all in the front line was that they were all dropping

deep. Carrick rejected that idea, right? I mean, what you're saying, Darnish, about they were all

dropping in to build up. I thought they were all dropping into the same build-up zones. Carrick

was asked this in one of the press conferences. I can't remember who. And he said, no, and Bumeau's

are furthest forward. Attackers, he was asked about whether he was playing a false nine,

wrong way of putting it. He's clearly not playing a false nine. But I thought the, the question

about like the spaces he was dropping into was about right, actually. You know, and Bumeau

is not the furthest. He's not going to pin the defense back. And so the question is, do you end

up playing a lot of football in the same zone and not have anyone who pins the defense back? And

is that the problem? It's kind of why I was asking the question about playing Amad over on the

other side and getting the dribbler into the pitch and keeping the width on the natural size.

As well as having a striker. And it would be tough on Cunya if he would the one to be dropping

out. But I would just wonder whether that creates short term better balance than we've otherwise had.

And well, look, you know, Asden Villa made Alejandra Garnacho look good yesterday.

So even then he didn't look good. He was messing up like that. Even then I was like,

is this, I think we've won one. Garner looks all for. He's gone ahead and ruined his career.

That's for sure. Yeah. Nice to see you to see you nice.

Yeah. Well, look, it's not a disaster, is it? The one the one tough thing is we're going to go

into that game undercooked another 10 days off. You know, we had 10 days off then this game then

another 10 days off. And then I think we've got another big break after the Villa game. Haven't we

until the one after that? Might be international, I think. And the international break as well,

just mad having a cup a cup window right before the the international. So and then it will be a race

towards the, you know, final seven games of the season, which will be a bit more consistent.

Not consistently at three o'clock, because there's none of them at that day. It's three o'clock

anymore, but at least they won't be these mega breaks, which I don't think actually helps

footballers, you know, having that much time. All right. Well, maybe we've solved all the problems

here, possibly. Oh, all right. We'll leave it here. Patreon.com for a slash NQAT part. If you want to

get the extra show, Danish, she's all over the internet. I saw you're writing for ESPN now,

Danish. That's right. I don't know what that noise is, but yeah, bro, bro. Yeah, my last

piece was on Miguel Marina, I think. I saw you saw that. Yes. As the fans before we head off,

very offended by the notion that they might play crap football. But the game hurts. Yeah,

Herzell and Brighton called them out on the amount of delays they were doing yesterday.

They've spent half an hour. Yeah. Do you see that half an hour preparing to take a piece?

32 minutes, but that's kind of what the average is in the league. We need to know what the average

is. Yeah. Sounds easy, because for what is the average, but this is why we need tight, proper

timekeeping. Just to stop the clock. To stop the clock. How hard is it? I'd be in favor of two

changes. I know they're radical. Not fingers offside, because that is ridiculous. No, man,

they're all that are just turning into kids football in the park, right? It's just horrendous.

Well, or the actual reaction to that would be everyone would play a deep line because you just

can't play a high line anymore. To here's two changes. We actually have an hour clock with proper

stops. So I was going to take as long as they like everyone gets an hour of football. It increased

the amount of football. I hate the Americanization of it, but we kind of need it. And then you can't

take a corner further than a 10 yard marker. We already have 10 yard markers. All corners are

short from now on. And it would stop that rugby nonsense that we get. There you go. Ed is fixed

it. We will see. We will see you here. We'll see you at the weekend for another part. We'll do

something that is not football related, I guess, or at least not a Manchester United game.

Darnish. Catch you on the next tech tip spot, Daniel. Have a good break.

Sure. Everyone will see you later.

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