The Tudor Dixon Podcast: Is Government Being Weaponized Against the People?

0:00This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Why are you dealing with listening to Armstrong and getting on demand? We're not boring. Lot of news is boring. And tedious. And depressing. And makes you angry. You don't want to live your life like that. Hey, I'm Jack Armstrong. He's Joe Getty. We're Armstrong and Getty. We try to bring you the truth and help you figure out this crazy modern world. How about something about a comedic tone? What? We have a winner? Yes. Listen to Armstrong and Getty on demand on the I Heart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the TutorDix and Podcasts. And it should actually be a fun one because we have two guys here that I've watched go around the state of Michigan together. And I saw even in the primary that these two guys kind of formed this bond. And everywhere they went, they were just this funny duo that was not just funny, but really connecting with the people. And I was just talking to one of our former governors yesterday about the importance of being able to connect with people when you're campaigning.

1:06And if there was ever a great example of this, it is Doug Lloyd and Tony for Lini. The Doug is running for Attorney General in the state of Michigan. And Tony is running for Secretary of State. But I mean it when I say that to you guys because I've watched you and you kind of give each other crap out on the board. And you can't really get any other crap out on the campaign trail in the most loving way. But you also stick around and you talk to the people. And that to me is the key to understanding not just what's happening in the state, but what you want to do when you get into that position. And that to me is critical as you go. That's why you campaign. You go around the state to find out what's happening in different areas. And Doug, I want to go to you on this because obviously people are concerned with the crime, they're concerned with the government being weaponized against them. And we've seen that in Michigan from the current Attorney General Dana Nessel. What are you hearing when you go around the state of Michigan that they've struggled with when it comes to who's currently in office and the idea of an Ellie Savitt getting into office?

2:13Well, thanks for having me here, Tutor. I really appreciate it. And for me, as I've traveled around the state, the things I hear are similar all over. People are worried about the accountability of the government. They just feel that any more that the government is there for only certain people. And that's what we've seen during the last eight years. Dana Nessel took that office from one that I held with the highest prestige to the point where it just became partisan. And people are tired of it. People are tired of the politics. They want to feel safe in their communities. They want to know that they have a job. They want to know that someone's going to be there, that if someone's price-gowning them are taking advantage of their grandmother, that somebody's going to stand up for them. They want them to see an Attorney General do that instead of going after the federal government on a daily basis and just priding themselves of attacking people. They don't want to be attacked anymore. They want to be protected.

3:13Yeah, well, so I will just say one more thing about this before we go over to Tony because when I was campaigning, I met Marlena Hackney. And to me, Marlena's story was the most stunning example of government overreach we've ever seen. She in Holland, Michigan, she has a restaurant. She's in a legal immigrant. She's an absolutely outstanding woman. But when people shut down, when the government, when Whitmer shut everything down, she was like, I'm not shutting down. People want to come to my restaurant. They can. The Attorney General had her followed to her house. They arrested her. They had a, they had police come and arrest her and drive her like 200 miles away from her house. She was put in chains, handcuffs, and she had a chain around her waist, her, her ankles. I mean, this woman kept her restaurant open. She had to be kept in prison in chains. It was insane. You know, that's socialists right there. Socialism.

4:15You sound like you're talking about another country. Yes. Yeah. I mean, that's really that when that was one of the first stories that got me as politically. As politically activated as I was because we'd heard about this and went down to her restaurant and I was talking to people. And that was really the first political speech I'd ever given in my life. And it was kind of on the fly when I went down there and the amount of people that were activated just by Marlena's story. And at that moment, it was like, how could I think it was sort of our first time where our eyes were opened that somebody in the Attorney General's position. Could flip the script and go after the people instead of keeping the keeping the people safe. Go after the people and then it started the government overreach started to become more and more intense. And I'll say even for Jocelyn Benson who is running for governor right now as Secretary of State, she weaponized the government against companies that she didn't like.

5:18Because if you if you have a driving score, if you have a car dealership, any of these things, you're dealing with the Secretary of State on a daily basis. And a lot of people don't realize that they think of just voting when they think of the Secretary of State's office. So when my daughter was learning to drive one of the local drivers out here, he was telling me, I have a young woman who wanted to start a franchise. And we helped her out. She put her life savings into this franchise for driver's head. And he said, well, the first class came through. She sent all the documentation correctly to the Secretary of State. The Secretary of State came back to her after the kids took the class. And they said the parents signatures didn't match what they had on file, which is so ironic to me because she didn't check signatures on election on ballots. But they went back to this woman and said the parents signatures didn't match. So we are shutting down your school. And you have to pay a fine and they bankrupted her.

6:22This is shocking to me. So Tony, when you hear a story like that, explain to people why your Secretary of State's office is more important than people actually think. Well, it's incredibly important. And tutor, that story just reminds me of just this past couple of weeks with citizens only voting. And they disqualified people. 700,000 ballot signatures were submitted to put this ballot of citizens only voting on this ballot question in November. 700,000 700,000, that's close to it is a 10% of the voting public said, yes, we want this on the ballot. And these Board of Camus, there's two Democrats has said, well, the signatures don't match. So we're going to take them off. But well, hang on, we have an affidavit here by these people signed and notarized that said, no, that was my signature. No, we're not accepting it for God's sakes. What is going on? The fix is on the way I see it, the fix is on and there's too much difficulty with our government in and it's the thumb is on the scale to the advantage of government, a government that is the left wing government.

7:37And what we need to do is bring it back to the people for God's sakes 700,000 people signed that said they wanted to add they're off by three and then the three three that they had at least five, I think that were disqualified because they said, wow, the signatures don't match the qualified voter roll. They could have signed it 20 years ago. It does, you know, this is this is not what governments about governments about making sure there's order, right, there's order in what's going on. That's why Doug and I, they call him law, they call me orders, we got law and order. And we're going to bring law and order back to the state of Michigan. Okay, so, but that is such a critical story. What you're so what he's talking about is we had this ballot initiative and in the state of Michigan, you can get this put on the ballot. If you have how many signatures did they have to have to get it on the ballot for 400, some thousand and they had over 700,000, 260,000 more than they needed something like that. And yet when they went to the canvassers, they said, well, we don't think that we took a sampling and we don't think these you had enough valid signatures and they were arguing over three signatures, folks. So think about this, they had 700,000 signatures and what this would do is this would go on the ballot just simply go on the ballot.

8:52This doesn't make this doesn't pass this into law. This is just to get this on the ballot in Michigan so that people can read it for themselves and go, oh, do I want to vote? Yes, I want only citizens to vote. Well, we know that's an 80 20 issue. We know that most people want only citizens to vote. So why are people in the government making the decision to say we're not even going to let this on the ballot. I mean, to me, that in that in and of itself is very suspicious that they're fighting so hard and the Democrats, you guys have all seen this with the Savak with the Save America Act with the fact that the Democrats in the Senate, they won't even bring it to the floor. They won't even talk about it. They will not vote for it at all. So Doug, let me ask you, we're seeing that the Supreme Court has come out and said Brett Kavanaugh, the US Supreme Court has come out and said we want some sort of a response on this ballot initiative. What is happening there? Well, at this point, they've required the canvassers, the state to actually answer. And so that's going to mean that the solicitor general who is appointed by the attorney general is going to be the one who actually goes and argues in court.

10:05And that's the interesting thing when you think about it, a solicitor general is there to do the bidding of whoever the current attorney general is. And so that's the question that voters have to ask is, do you want an attorney general who's actually going to say solicitor general, whether we like it or not, you're going to go in and argue the law and the Constitution? Or do you want a solicitor general, you know, and an attorney general who say, well, I don't like this. And so because I don't like this, I want you to go argue that it's not good. And so my fear is is that our current attorney general, just like my opponent, are going to go in and argue, well, this isn't good. So we need to just deny it. Instead of actually looking at it and going, did the board of canvassers make a mistake? And if so, whether you like the law, you know, or the bill or not, the law on the Constitution say it has to be on the ballot. And that's what really should be happening is we should be looking at whether the board of canvassers screwed up if they screwed up, then the solicitor general's job is to actually say that.

11:15And you know, we'll see what happens, but they're also waiting to, you know, for the board of canvassers to just make a statement back. This is the problem that we have with when too much blue takes control and people outside of our state have said to me before, well, why don't people just, why isn't there any accountability for especially Benson when it comes to, you know, she lost those six lawsuits against the RNC. She was running elections in a way that was not consistent with law. So we know that she was doing things that were very sketchy at best and nefarious at worst in the 2020 and the 2022 elections. People have said to me, well, why isn't there somebody holding her accountable? And this is why I've said every position that you think of as a local position is incredibly important that you get you get out the vote. Because if you look at somebody, if you're saying who's going to hold the secretary of state accountable, well, it's not going to be the governor because she's a Democrat. It's not going to be the attorney general because she's a Democrat.

12:21And the problem is that even if you go to the Supreme Court, it is now held by majority Democrats who are partisans, they're absolutely open partisans. When you get to this point in a state, there is a true concern that you can't ever pull anything back and you look at what's actually happened and the government has absolutely been weaponized against people. And when you're a small business in a government that doesn't like small businesses and the government issues you the license to operate, the government can then take that license away and it can hurt certain industries. And we've seen that in the state of Michigan. So you have Tony, you have an interesting race because you had quite a few people in your primary in the on the Democrats side. And we kept thinking like what what's actually going to happen and then suddenly they they the Democrats essentially kicked Garland Gilchrist out of the governor's race. He had raised money in that race. Was he able to then transfer that money over to the secretary of state when they're like, you're not you're not our guy.

13:25We wanted to move you someplace else. He has it. He's moved over and that's to be quite honest, they have a huge financial advantage right now, not not enormous, but a significant amount over Doug and I, you know, they've gone out there and raised money nationally. And through this act blue, which I question some of the donations and how they came across 14,000 had no employment information. To get out say that's not what campaign finance laws about campaign finance laws is to disclose this stuff and be transparent. So we all understand who is supporting who and that that's just looks as clear as my talking about dark money. So there's that part of it, but you know, on this issue of citizens only voting, like you said, it's an 80% issue across the board Democrats and Republicans. And even if you're a Democrat, you have to be worried about your party that it's been taken over and other people are dictating to you as a Democrat or to you as a Republican that know we don't want this on the ballot because this thing that you doesn't quite look like it did when you signed a 20 years ago.

14:33And I think that determination, even though there's affidavits, the fix is on it. Hey, by the way, they turned that in five and a half months ago, those ballots, they waited till the last week to to finally say, oh, these signatures are no good. Are you kidding me? You waited that long yet you approved other things in the meantime. It's the fix was on for a long time. Yes. I think the fix has been on for years because they've, like I said, they've had unchecked control and unchecked control is very intoxicating for people who want to do bad things. And I think that that's the situation that we're in in this state. I look at the energy level though in the state on the Democrat side and you made a good point, Tony, like why aren't they calling out their own party. And I would argue we have this convention that was overwhelmingly supportive and everybody overwhelmingly nominated our lieutenant governor, J De Boyer. We have people that are overwhelmingly supporting John James and J De Boyer in their quest to become governor and lieutenant governor. It was a packed house. You look at the Democrat convention. It was not.

15:41I mean, it was hard because yes, even the mainstream media, I would say that Detroit news, the free press, they were having to post pictures of a half empty room. And that's not really their jam is to point out that the Democrats are not getting the support that they historically have had. Dana Nussell is, as we said, the current attorney general, she's a Jewish woman. She came out and said she would not attend because she felt like she was not safe. And that I believe stemmed from her faith and feeling like she was going to be attacked for her faith, going into the Democrat convention. She then recently made a statement saying, look, voting for Abdul Al-Sahid may not be good for you as a Jew. But overall, you must do it because you have to support society as a whole. Why will they not come out and say we don't agree with this? I mean, it is stunning to me. Doug, when you hear that and you hear that people are willing to come out and vote against their own personal safety. And she's pointed out that her safety is at risk. What do you think about this Democrat party?

16:56You know, that was so shocking of a statement to me that you it's okay to risk your survival that it doesn't matter. You know, just go ahead and vote. That that's an ideology that is not American. That's not what we were founded on. We were founded on free rights and free will and the ability to express ourselves. And it bothers me as a local prosecutor. It would definitely bother me as the attorney general to have someone saying that we're willing to just be terrorized because that's the only way we can do it. That's not the only way. You know, the attorney general should be standing up and saying it's my job to represent everyone. I'm the only position out there where, you know, my job is to make sure that all 10 million people actually, you know, are feeling safe in the in the state.

17:59And to get up there and say, well, this particular class, you just need to vote this way, even if it means harm to yourself. I couldn't fathom ever saying that or ever telling anyone that's that's what they needed to do. And I think what we're seeing, you know, when you talk about enthusiasm is that people are actually waking up. They're tired of being told what to do, whether it's good for them or bad. People have had eight years to see that Michigan has gone in the wrong direction. They're tired of seeing politicians who come in with no actual experience who don't care about the job. They just care about what they want to do. And that's why I know that, you know, you saw such a crowded house with the Republicans and all the support they had because Tony and I've seen it for 13 months and we've talked about it. We bring leadership and we bring experience and this time around the Republicans said we're done. We need leadership and experience at the state level so that we can actually move Michigan to a place where we can all be proud of it.

19:10Yeah, I was obviously watching our primary very closely and I had actually had some people come to me and say, why don't you run for Secretary of State? And I'd heard Tony was thinking of running and when you talk about experience. I mean, my resume is not Tony's resume. Tony has been a county clerk. He's worked in the he's been a legislator. He's never misdivote. He's always been there. He's always been there for the people. Tony, when you look at Garland Gilchrist who has not, I mean, he is our current lieutenant governor and he has not shown up. He's not been there. He's not worked for the people and he doesn't know what the Secretary of State's office does. I don't even know that he knows what the governor's office does because the governor hasn't actually even been working for the last. I think that I think once she won re-election, she was like, okay, not on to do anything. But he hasn't even been there. I mean, this is what's stunning to me that the news has not come out and said the guy has never done his job. And now he's running for a job, a new job that he doesn't understand either when it comes to experience tell our audience a little bit about why it's important to help you get across this finish line because the alternative is just an activist.

20:26Well, that's right. He is an activist and he talks about even in a campaign trail. It has nothing to do with the Secretary of State's office. And as a county clerk, I'm in charge of elections here in McCone County. And all the other things, customer service, bringing the service to the public. We're in charge of vital records. People come to us for the birth certificates, death certificates for their CPL licenses. We're the clerk of the court. We run elections. We have all this work. We work with the public every day, just like the Secretary of State's office. And it's a job. It's not a, I like to say the Secretary of State's office is not a political position. It's a position of providing a service to the public. And we took an office in McCone County where it took sometimes weeks to get an appointment and took it to four minutes. We reduced it down to four minutes. People can walk in the door. And I track all those four minutes. They're in the door. They take care of their business and they're out within 10 minutes. That is a great track record. That's a track record that we're going to bring to the Secretary of State's office, but you got to show up to work. You need to be there. You need to be involved to see what needs to be fixed. What is working, what is not working with elections, bringing transparency. We're the most transparent County in the state of Michigan, because we show our ballots that are after the elections are done. We don't violate confidentiality.

21:51Here's the ballot. Here's how the tabulator scored it. And you can see that the elections are working. And that's something we're bringing to the public. And that's something I'd like to see done statewide. So we start getting off of the conversation that while 2016 was stolen by Trump, 2020 was stolen by John Joe Biden. Every year, there's all this controversy. Let's put transparency. We're shining a light on our elections. We're shining a light on how we do service. And we fix the problems that are that people point out to us. That's what the Secretary of State's office is. If you don't show up for work, I mean, being a lieutenant governor, what an honor. I mean, what truly an honor. You could influence state legislation. You could do things. And when they have to try to affect the they didn't get things done because they are all fighting amongst themselves. Because the relationships were not there. You have to be on the house floor. You have to be on the on the Senate floor. I was a legislator. I know how that works. And we're going to get things done and make elections believable again.

22:58You know, it's interesting to bring that up because Gretchen Whitmer had this like phenomenal approval rating in for among all Democrat governors across the country. And I think for people outside of the state of Michigan, that might surprise you. But she's she does this thing where she doesn't talk about what's happening in the state. She does these little corny videos and she tells everybody things are great. And she comes office kind of like your your friend that you would go out drinking with and people liked her. They liked her until what you just said happened. Suddenly they got the trifecta. They had these nine bills that they wanted past. And for some reason, they didn't get them to the governor's office before the new legislature took over and they said, OK, now the Republican House Speaker has to deliver them to the governor. He said no. And the governor never said if they come to me, I won't sign them. So she allowed what like 18 months of litigation to go by and and they all fought and they spent all kinds of taxpayer money. And then they finally took it to the governor. And she vetoed every bill and the Democrats were just like their jaws just hit the floor like what the heck just happened.

24:11And and that was a moment between that. It was kind of a bad week for Whitmer. She she did that. She posted a picture cutting a ribbon out of data center, which is like, I mean, you might as well be taking a picture with your arm around Satan. Now, you know, so people were like, oh my gosh, the governor took a picture in front of a data center. And she just like went down in the polls. But and she doesn't care. I mean, I think at this point, she's like, I'm not running for president. I'm just looking to maybe be the vice president and whoever wants to let me do dirty Dorito videos. I'll be on their ticket. But that's the future of grouchy Whitmer in the meantime. Doug, I want to ask you about that when when she didn't when she didn't sign those bills and she and they and she went through all that legislation and and there was all this suing back and forth. How much does that cost the people in the state? Wow. I mean that somebody was getting rich there. And usually it's the lawyers who are the ones doing it. And the difficulty is is that, you know, that's kind of how our systems built.

25:16You know, there there were responsibilities by the Democrat tax. They make sure that those bills that had been passed were sent to the governor. I don't know why there was so dysfunction for, you know, a group that had the majority that they couldn't get those last nine bills through. Garland didn't show up. That's the problem. Well, and that could be a very good reason right there. And but, you know, I think Matt Hall as a speaker was right to say, no, I don't believe it's my responsibility. But then it comes down to actually having to go to court and they, you know, so that meant lawyers filed motions back and forth and it ended up in front of the courts. And the courts said you had to do it. And when they finally did it, you know, well, and there's that next step of the governor's process doing that. But it goes specifically to your point that where the people are frustrated. Of, you know, even though this is how the system works, they wondered why did it take 18 months to actually do this. The amount of people that were, you know, relying on those bills on both sides. Some of it don't with corrections.

26:21We've all heard of during these last eight years, all corrections is just, you know, the people working there. No one wants to work there anymore. There are benefits have been slashed. All of that. That, you know, we can't actually find anyone to work. And whether you like that bill or not, those people were waiting to see if that bill would pass. And so to wait 18 months. That's, that's the problem that we have with government is that it takes too long. No one actually seems to care about the citizens were supposed to be protecting. They only care about their feelings when they're in there. And, you know, I can tell you, you know, as a guy who's had to get up there in front of the legislature and testify many times over bills that had nothing to do with protecting our citizens. That's a frustrating thing when your legislators do not want to listen to you or will look you in the eye and just say, well, I'm here to do it for myself. All right. So we have two, two positions, two very qualified men. You are a, the McComb County clerk, we've got a county prosecutor. You guys know these jobs. You understand this. Before I let you go.

27:30Doug, let me start with you. We under Gretchen Whitmer and Dana Nessel. We have seen an increase in crime, but we've seen some of the most horrific crimes. I mean, during this time. Wayne County, so the largest mass shooting we've ever seen. And I find that interesting because it was a devastating situation. When that happened, it was mostly young women in their late teenage years early 20s that were shot. The week before there had been a shooting in that was in a very, I'll just say it, a very white area and Gretchen Whitmer went on TV and cried and was so sad about this. Then a week later, we had the largest mass shooting we've ever seen in Wayne County and she said nothing. And I think that when you look at Wayne County, when you look at Flint, when you look at Michigan Heights, when you look at Benton Harbor, you see communities that have been abandoned. The public safety has been totally abandoned by Democrats. You have to be hearing this on the ground. What is the number one thing you want to do to keep those communities safe that.

28:36It's not it's not like my community, you know, and I'm going to openly admit, I know that when I walk into my neighborhood, I am not constantly looking over my shoulder and I don't think anybody should live in the state of Michigan like that. But Democrats seem to think it's okay and they'd rather be on the side of the criminal than the victim. So what happens to fix that? Well, you have to get back to actually having an attorney general who is going to provide support. What we've seen is this current attorney general has not focused on actually helping the local prosecutors, helping local law enforcement. That's why I'm endorsed by 65 prosecutors and dozens of sheriffs and thousands of police officers because they understand that to have a safe community, you actually have to have the backing of the attorney general. And that's really the difference between myself and my opponent. My opponent came in, you know, to be the elected prosecutor. He's never actually done a criminal trial. You know, he's strictly a politician. And one of his first things to do was to say, hey, I'm going to get rid of cashless, you know, I'm going to get rid of bail.

29:39I'm going to make it cashless bail. And we've seen what's happened to that. Two specific cases in his community where, you know, he made a deal on one and the guy went over to Oakland County and proceeded to shoot him. Mom, right in front of her child. Another one where murder error was led our attention murderer was let out on bail goes over to Wayne County and shoots two people more. Those are the things that you see when you talk about, you know, the differences between myself and my opponent. I want to actually make sure that we're providing support. We're getting those police officers the resources they need. So that they can protect those communities, all of our communities. My opponent, he doesn't care about the police. He doesn't care about, you know, the victims. He's only concerned about the defendants and what they can do for them. Okay. Before we go on to get Tony's story really quick. I've already seen attack ads against you, Doug and their ugly and there and it was like constant. And I couldn't believe I was stunned because I'm like,

30:43I don't think Republicans even think about putting that much money into the attorney general's race. And I sat at my mom's house one night and every commercial that came up was a nasty commercial about you. This is a game of who has the money to tell the story and what you just told us is a devastating thing that people aren't hearing. So they need you need more money. How do people give to you? Sure. And I appreciate you letting me say that, Tudor, if you got a vote, Doug Lloyd, calm, you can volunteer or donate because you are right. You know, the interesting thing is those are all lies, but they're out there. And if we have the money, you know, Botoni and I, if the money is there, we're able to message and when our message comes out, that distinction of never showing up to work or letting defendants out and not caring about victims. Those are easy messages to make. But the money has to be there to do it. So if you got a vote, Doug Lloyd, calm, that's the easiest way to do it. All right, Tony, same thing I want you to tell us what happens when you get there and how we give to you.

31:45Well, yeah, so the most important thing in Doug mentioned it and we've been talking about experience matters. And so you're looking at two people that are going to come into office with experience and start doing the rule of law, bring order back to things as the county court. I've done it. Our current Secretary of State called me reckless and irresponsible for finding now it's five non citizens on the voting rolls that have actually voted. And kudos to hats off to Dana Nessel that just recently took my first one I sent in. That's called reckless and irresponsible and she's now going forward with prosecution. So so we're doing the right thing. And when the right thing comes out and we do the right things, eventually things work in our favor. Now, thing that we really need help with your audience is the raising the money. We can't amplify our voice unless we have funding for it. And you know, you can go to my website. Anthony for leany.com and just my name you go there and there's a spot that you can you can donate and anybody in your audience, man, we were looking for support.

32:52Certainly the Democrats have done a great job of rallying support. However, they do it through this act blue system that they have. I'm not even sure how that works, but We need to stand up as Republicans. We need to stand up and get law and order in place. All right, Tony. We're not all Italian spell your name. Anthony the traditional spelling for leany F O R L I and I and that's that's my website and you know, by the way, you brought it up. If I were to win, I'd be the first Italian to ever have won the Michigan Secretary States office. So for you Italians out there, let's step it up. Exactly. Italians across the country unite. There you go. It is really, I mean, it is really important to us. And I will say that some of the best Italian food you can get is in McComb. So there you go. It really it's it is always my favorite place to visit. It's also the most energy. There is a lot of energy in that county.

33:56There sure is. There sure is. And that's why we got to do the job the right way. We're expected to do it right in McComb. Otherwise, you hear it. Yeah. That is true. We'll get known out there with a spatula ready to hit your head if you don't do it right. That's true. I love it. Okay. Awesome. Thank you so much. Tony for leany Doug Lloyd. Go out there and win. Thank you for being on the two to do some podcasts. Thank you to her. Thank you to her. Thank you. And thank you all for being here. Make sure you share this. We need to raise money. And I know you guys, if you're out of the state, you're like, oh my gosh, big deal. It's not my state. Look, we send people outside of our state to do bad things to you. Like Jennifer Grandholm. You don't want us to even elevate any Democrats in the state. So please help us to make sure these people go home and they do not work in government. You can do that by sharing this podcast. You know where to get it. The I Heart Radio app. Apple podcasts, Rumble or YouTube. Share it. Help us. Let's go win and have a blessed day.

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