The woke church, the ostrich church, and the church that fights back

0:0054321, welcome back. You're on another episode of the two mics, two mics. USTWMikes.us. You want Dr. Michael, Shoria, New York Times, Best Sell, you know, through Colonel Mike. Today we're going to bring another author on back with us. This is Caleb Collier and he's got a podcast called Church and State. He's joining us for the half hour now on two mics and we're going to introduce him. He's right there on the screen. Caleb, tell us a little bit about yourself. You're sure you're podcasted and any books you wrote. And we can go right into it. Go ahead. All right. Sounds good. Appreciate the opportunity. As you said, my name is Caleb Collier. I'm based in Spokane, Washington, which probably most people have been watching as it has been on fire. I just realized you said that I was there three years ago. It's amazing what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty tragic there. We can certainly get into that. But as far as myself goes, I usually like to tell people I was actually born into a cult, which obviously leads to a lot of questions. I have no memory

1:00of it. My parents left when I was two years old. But we were actually represented or we were actually visited by representatives of Jim Jones. So I like to tell people that I came this close to drinking the Kool-Aid and I've been rejecting it ever since. So if you want to pause there, we can or I can keep going. Basically, my dad had a very nomadic experience and moved around a lot in my life. I finally ended up in Washington State and joined the Marine Corps right after high school, served for four years and then came back into Washington State. Started to get engaged in politics. I was an EMT for a number of years. Ultimately became a city council member for the city that I live in. That didn't last very long because I opposed vaccine mandates back in 2016. So kind of before it was cool. I also tried to make our city a second amendment sanctuary city. Kind of tongue in cheek, but our attorney general at the time who now unfortunately is our governor. City was going to ban assault weapons. I like to do the air quotes there. Assault weapons in high capacity magazines. So my response was to make a second amendment sanctuary city.

2:06Ultimately, the Republican Party didn't like me as a city councilman and they ran somebody against me, which led me into radio actually. So I started the church at state show about 10 years ago. I've also worked for a number of political organizations, the John Birch Society, TPUSA faith. I used to work for Charlie Kirk. Currently, I work for a company that produces ghost phones. So phones that operate off of graphene OS or computers that run off of Linux. Basically, technology that's not spying on you. As you said, also the author of a book, political incontinence. Michael, did you hear that? I was just listening and taking notes. Yes, it puts a book on the screen here, Caleb. Tell us a little bit about what's inside there. Yes. So this is actually a book number one in a three part series. And what it is is it's basically a bathroom reader. It's just filled with stupid quotes from politicians. And I pulled zero punches. I'm a libertarian. So I'm not beholden to

3:09either the two political parties. This goes from Alexander Hamilton, who said a national dead is a national blessing all the way to Donald Trump. So I've got just stupid quotes. They're very funny. You can read through it and kind of laugh and kind of cry as well, because these are our leaders. Book number two is almost complete. It's called mainstream manure, steady stream of yellow journalism. It's just stupid quotes from the media. And book number three, which we've already started writing is called holy crap and it's stupid quotes from pastors. So I'm just trying to make a lot of friends as you can tell. That's like Michael. Similar to Mike. He has a lot of friends. Yes. I think I think I'm almost up to three. There we go. And they're all in the show. Yeah. Pretty pretty much. I think he's got his wife and his kids. That's a few more.

4:10Not all at one time. I'm just split into factions. So I got to keep my head. So you're doing a five day week show, which is kind of hard. It's a lot of time and a lot of effort and a lot of planning. And what are the most of the discussions you do on your show? Anywhere from where to where? Yeah. I used to actually say where everybody's favorite schizophrenia show because one day you're going to tune in and I'm going to be talking all about theology. I'm a Lutheran. I actually recently converted to that from more of a non-denominational pentacostal side. So I like to talk theology even though I'm just a lay person. But then you tune in the next day and I'm going off about aliens and the government's plans to put up a gigantic space mirror so they can basically make a giant government nightlight for us. So it sounds fantastical but that's actually happening or at least the ideas is occurring. So yeah, it's a show

5:11that you're going to hear a lot of humor. But I'm also tackling some very hard subjects and bringing on some incredible guests. I've had Dr. Ron Paul on the show. I was just joined by the Health Ranger Mike Adams. So I'm bringing in a lot of high quality guests on the show. You know that? Yeah, Mike Adams. I like you. I'm sorry Mike. Mike Adams. I like a lot. Go ahead, Mike. I was just going to say it comes up on our show quite a bit. What is wrong with the clergy in the sense that where are they in all of this? There's a thing that from the from the pulpit. There's a foxhole. Yeah, but and have been for a long time. Yeah, I agree with you and that's a that's a big question and I love that you actually through that at me. Like I said, I'm a layman. I'm not a pastor. I haven't gone to seminary or anything like that. But I have worked in politics for years. I am a strong Christian. I did work for TPUSA Faith, which was obviously an organization designed to bring the church into into the world and

6:15try to make a difference. I think one of the biggest issues, well, let me back up here for a minute. I separate the church into three categories and I say the first church is the woke church, which is clearly and obviously the enemy. When you pull up to a church and there's a rainbow flag outside of it, don't go in. That would be my recommendation. Don't go in that church. It's not a church. You're probably going to have a pastor who's a woman lesbian and talking about the colors of the rainbow or something like that. It's not somewhere where any Christian should sit their foot in. The second category I would call the ostrich church. Unfortunately, this is the vast majority of the churches in America. They like to keep themselves within the four walls. They don't really step out. Oftentimes you're going to go into this church. Here, basically a TED talk with just a sprinkle of scripture in it. You're just going to sprinkle that in there. But ultimately, you're going to walk away. Maybe you'll feel good for a little bit of Sunday. But by the time Monday

7:17rolls around, you're not ready. You're not equipped to battle what's being thrown at you. I'm specifically talking about the demonic realm. That third category would be the confessing church, barring off a bond offer there. This is that remnant class of churches that do see a need to go out into the world and preach the gospel and care for widows and orphans, the things that Jesus Christ directed us to do. What I see within the church is a failure. Not only to look towards what we can do within the world, but we stopped looking inward. We stopped looking at what the church needs to do. We need a massive correction. We are not ready. Speaking from a military standpoint, if the troops are in total and utter disarray, if we can't agree on anything, we're not ready to take the fight to the enemy. What I believe we need within the church is to correct a lot of heresies, a lot of false teachings. And get ourselves, regardless of denomination, get ourselves on those essential things, those things that make sure we actually go

8:22to heaven, that we're all in lockstep and unison on that, then we can go out into the world and actually make a difference. Is worries about their NGO status part of the problem? For not opposing the COVID restrictions and things like that or letting the churches get closed. Yeah, the fears should not even enter into the conversation. We're told not to live a life of fear because ultimately we serve the creator of literally everything. If we face persecution, we should rejoice because the world is taking notice of the fact that we are unique, we are different as is our master or as we mimic our master, I should say. So yeah, when you're talking about the Johnson Amendment and churches are afraid that they're going to lose their 501c3 status, if they go and dare to talk about something political or even cultural, to me that shows that

9:24you're in the wrong church. If you're pastors too afraid or maybe the pastor says, hey, I want to make sure that the tithes and offerings that the people are giving that that's a tax ride off, what are we even doing here? We need to get away from all of that garbage. In fact, the Johnson Amendment, the IRS, last time I looked anyway, the IRS has only prosecuted one church, I believe it was out of New York, that dared to talk about something political and the IRS lost the case. I know a pastor out of Oklahoma, Black Road, Bregeman, he actually every single election cycle, he does a political message, he types it out, he sends it to the IRS and says, here's the message, go ahead, come after me. And they've never done it, they've never come after this man. So there's really no teeth to this anyway. And I would suggest that churches need to be talking about what's going on politically, culturally, within our education systems, all of that. And then you brought up COVID as well.

10:25You know, COVID had a lot of silver linings for me anyway. And one of those, I believe, was truly that we got to see who the real church was. And if your church was closed down, if your church had it to where they limited the amount of people that were coming in or you had to mask up or you weren't allowed to sing, then you knew right then and there that wasn't the church for you. And we do a comparison between COVID-19, which generally speaking, if you weren't old and didn't have comorbidities, you were going to be able to survive this thing. You compare that to what happened during the Black plague. And what, excuse me, what happened there? The clergy was out, even though they were dying, but they were out and they were ministering to the people, why? Because we know that our final destination is in heaven and that we should try to get as many souls with us into heaven as possible. And so when there's a plague, really any time of calamity, what is the responsibility of the church of the clergy to get out there and to try to save as many souls as

11:27possible? I think they're trying to save as many dinners as they can or something. Did you ever read this book, Caleb? I don't know if Mike did. You know, we have the Jesus gave us the great commission, and this guy wrote the great commission, but he puts a big rubb of stamp on it, fake over the word great. And it's when the church cares more about what the world thinks than what God commands. And this is by John M. Strowman, STROHMAN, jurors doctor, great read. I tried to get him on the show and he said, hey listen, read my book and just pass it along. He really doesn't do podcasts, okay? And he hasn't gone shows, but it's a great book about how far off the beaten path we are from the great commission. It's really right now the great commission would be what are they getting from the donors? You know, that's a commission, not the command or the mandate, you know, from Jesus Christ in the

12:30Bible. And that's what we are. And it's honestly, it's right Mike, it's all about, if you took away to 501 see three Caleb, you'll see real churches survive. And the reason they all sign on to the mass program and you're familiar with all the thousands, I don't know, maybe tens of thousands now that visited Israel since October 7th. You know, they got their marching orders from the non-believers. I would call them satanic kind of people, you know what I mean? Over there, marching orders to come back and propaganda, propagandize us with whatever the message is coming out of the Middle East on, you know, why it's the greatest ally or this is where Jesus walked and you know, it was because of Judaism, we have Christianity and you know, all these other moanbo jumbo's that they use to, but again, if you don't read the Bible and you're depending on

13:30somebody in a pulpit to tell you what's in the Bible and then tell you on top of that, which is my favorite, when they say, well, Paul meant this, well, Mark meant this. Well, how do you know they meant that because if it's God's word and it was given to the disciples, how do you know, how can you know what God was thinking? So in other words, if I read that verse of scripture and it says walk through the door, it means walk through the door, but you'll go to twist it and say, well, he didn't really mean walk through the door. It was this or was that and you know, this is the problem with Christianity. People don't want to read it. You know, the by six Bibles and everybody else's book, but they won't read the truth and that's where we are. And so it's like sheep's to the slaughter as they say, right? I completely agree and I got to applaud you, Mike, for tackling this subject because it's such an important one and it's one that

14:34within the American church, there's a lot of fear about this issue and there's a lot of misinformation, a lot of attacks that are occurring here. As I said, I'm a Lutheran, so I subscribe to covenant theology. You know, what what the dispensationalists would say is replacement theology. But once again, quite the misnomer because this is something that was taught for centuries taught by the early church fathers, taught by the apostles, the disciples, that those who believe in Christ Jesus are God's chosen people. But yet through the actions of Darby and later on Scofield, they've convinced the vast majority of the American church that no Israel is God's chosen people and it's really played into a lot of what's going on in geopolitics, a lot of people's eschatology or skewed from this. And we have these Christians that are now super excited about the red heifer, for example, or the rebuilding of the third temple. And I've said this before on the show, but what is slapping the face to Jesus Christ that we believe that we need a third temple? No, when Jesus died on the cross, his words were, it is finished. He is the temple,

15:38is his blood, is his sacrifice, has nothing to do with the law. Jesus came to fulfill the law. And yet we're operating as American Christians under this belief system that if we even say anything like this, the of course the attack is going to be that well, obviously you're an anti-Semite. No, as I'm directed by my savior, I'm supposed to take this gospel message to every single person out there, whether they're Jew, Black, Asian, does not matter. I want to see everybody come to a saving grace or the knowledge of saving grace through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. There's no hatred in a statement like that. Well, if you want to do anti-Semitism, then you know what? What they're doing in Iran is anti-Semitic because these are Semitic people. They're Muslim, they're Middle East, right? They're Semites, they're all Semites, but they just take it for themselves just like they take other things for themselves. You know? Yeah, I would absolutely agree

16:40with that. And you know, I mentioned I'm a libertarian and so I don't want to be engaged in endless wars and even beyond libertarianism, this is something that our founding fathers warned us about that we were supposed to not engage in foreign entanglements, free trade with all that we don't go seeking monsters abroad to go and destroy. And so yet when we look at this and I served in the Marine Corps during 9-11, there's an entire generation that does not know America at war. And we constantly hear the same antics, the same rhetoric of, well, we got to go into Iraq because of weapons of master's destruction, right? We're worthy. We got to go into Syria, we got to go into Afghanistan, we got to go into Libya, right? All these despots that we have to go in topple and we end up creating this massive power vacuum where there's more death, more destruction. And personally, I feel like as a Christian, maybe I should be opposed to the death and destruction that the United States is constantly raining down on foreign countries. And maybe I shouldn't support our greatest ally who goes and

17:44destroys Gaza and literally killing and targeting women and children. Maybe as a Christian, I shouldn't be applauding that. What was that call back in the war days? It was called collateral damage, right? But that's not collateral. That's not collateral damage. What that is is targeting civilians in war. And that's war crime stuff, right? I couldn't think of that word. Remember last week, Mike? I said, what is it? It's collateral damage. You know, and that's when you, you know, you go in a war military and military, whatever. But yeah, when you take out a whole, remember, these are the people, Mandy Patamke and the actor and Hollywood said, what we talked about for all these years, we're now doing to other people. He's the only actor I've seen stand up on YouTube. But the fact that it matters, you could look at it all day long. You could call it whatever you want. They hide behind a mask. There's a flag. There's a concrete wall. You know, when you have kids running for food and then you you target practice them and you blow them up or you shoot them, you know, with a sniper, these are satanic vultures. These are these are these are unbelievable despots

18:52to do this to women and children and the whole purpose is to get rid of the whole and then you have an ambassador. Mike Huckabee screaming, you know, Mr. Pastor, right? Remember Baptist minister screaming about kill everybody. Kill them all. Kill them all. Well, who gives you the right kill them all again. You're talking about you're spreading the gospel. You know, Muslims gotta hear the word too. Right? Well, only when the government bows to the people will America become great again. But this is Malcolm out loud here. Join me in pushing back against censorship on my fellow Americans. Right at the top of America out loud.News are the words. Any voices, one freedom united in the first amendment. Now is our time, my fellow Americans, America out loud.News, liberty and justice for all.

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20:56chocolate or fruit and are held together with serps or sweeteners. To learn more, just visit bearbar.com slash out loud. You know, Muslims gotta hear the word too, right? So those people in Palestine who were Christian, Catholic Christian orthodox, whatever it is, Greek orthodox, whatever they were, okay? They would've gone down. They were killed. No, don't church us here. We're like, hey, what are you doing? But, you know, we can talk about what's going on in Sudan. We can talk about what's going on over here. But we won't talk about it because the so-called greatest ally movement, you see? And imagine the gospel tells you, beware of wolves and sheep's clothing. It tells you, you know, Satan comes with benefits. What does not Tanyaahu do? Six visits to the White House. I haven't seen anybody from Malawi here, anybody from Morocco, anybody from Tanzania, I haven't seen other people heads of state coming in here who are pro-American, such as Mike,

21:59what was the last time the king and queen of Denmark were invited? Do you remember? No, I don't. All right. Probably not since we told them we wanted Greenland. Yeah, right. I mean, if it's some ice conversation. Yeah, that's so let's say, okay, how about the president or prime minister of Iceland? Was he invited here? No, but this guy over here, you know, Prostrami and Ra'i, he comes in six times of one year and Trump holds the chair for him. It's a freaking joke. We are occupied, Caleb, we're occupied as a country. That's it. You gotta be honest with the people. We are occupied and we do have the tools through our constitution, through our Bill of Rights and Declaration that we could take it back. But once again, the masses are too entertained. They're too distracted by the bread and circuses. And this is all by design. They've been doing this for a long time to us. You talk to the average person out there and you're like, hey, you know, something's terribly wrong.

23:00You know, our government is currently being led by a bunch of people that were at Epstein Island where they were literally raping children and perhaps even engaging in it. Nobody's hanging. Nobody's hanging. Nobody's hanging after this. Right. But this is our leadership. They're covering it up and people are like, oh, yeah, that's sick. You want to do something about it? Well, I would, but you know, fantasy football seasons coming up. I got a lot of play right now. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly it. That's it. And they know everything about the plays, the touchdowns, all the scores, his salary, where he's living, his second wife, baby, mama, they know everything about the player, but they don't know God. And this is the Christian nation. They don't know God. They don't even know that the Constitution says when the time comes where the government's not serving you, you got to abolish it. Now, if we did it in modern days now today, that means you got to go up to Capitol Hill and say, here's your pink slip. You have a pink slip in a hand and you don't want to have a real pitchfork. You want to have like a plastic one from

24:02dollar store or something, you know, and you go there with the pitchfork and you say, here's the pink slip and they go to say, well, this is an insurrection. No, no, it's not insurrection. You're fired. You just freaking fired, right? And they're going to bring out the Capitol police. They're going to throw smoke grenades. They're going to bring out the National Guard. And then you'll know that you finally realized the Gestapo has been here. You just weren't aware of it. You weren't aware of it because baseball season was on and football season and Netflix, don't forget Netflix, man. Everybody hates Obama. That's a Democrat. I mean, a Republican or or a conservative or Obama did this and Joe Biden, but they love Netflix and Netflix supports Obama. He gets to have another mansion here and they are in everywhere, right? So it's a bullshit story. It's a very simple story. Guys like us, guys like you, we're not Dan Bonjino show. We're not Joe. What's that guy Joe on the radio? Joe Pags, Joe Pags, or the two guys that took over the

25:06wrestling ball show or bullshit, Beck. I call him bullshit, Beck. You know, he cries, he tears and everything. The other day he was talking about his painting and he couldn't finish the touch up on the painting. He sounded like a faggot really. And I had to call in this artist, this famous artist. I don't know if you know him, Roberto Badubo from somewhere, flew in to do the little touch up on the ear. And who was he talking about? He made a painting of Trump's mother. And then he had it delivered to the White House and he was almost in tears. I could believe the president actually wrote me a letter thanking me that I gave him this picture. I was like, stop being a faggot man. You know, you're just like a total fucking faggot. Excuse my language. But that's what you are, man. But he's making millions and millions of dollars. You know, he's got a network and he's a cry baby one day and another day, yeah, you know, I want one of these one of these Christian rock groups, you know, called him and gave him two

26:09tickets, famous daughter or something. He's like the the Mormon version of Mark Levin. You know, I'm saying I can't believe it. Yeah, it's just and the people have just not been saying that. Yeah, you won't stop listening to them. They make it mega bucks. You got Levin. You got point. Bungie don't bailed out. You know, he saw it all. Okay, I'm out. Boom, you know, he's worth what? 24 million with rumble and all the dealerships. He, you know, I remember every book he always told you he was like Mark Levin in the next book. In the next book, I'm going to tell you the same shit I told you in the last book, what I got to have two pages new. And the next book, I'm going to tell you about Epstein and what we got to do. And then he became assistant director and what did he tell us? He vomited. He pissed his pants and he said, I'm going home because I'm going to blow my fortune being out here because you know, I saw what you're not going to see. And I can't tell you why, but I could tell you I was there. I could tell you all the bullshit stories you want to hear. And I'm going to buy another three car dealerships.

27:10All right, keep sending me money. That's what it is. Once again, you're absolutely nailing it. You know, the vast majority of Americans through Donald Trump realized that, you know, the mainstream media was fake. And ultimately we were we were totally betrayed by Donald Trump. You know, we could have a discussion on whether, you know, the whole thing was a sia or whether they got to them. But these these mainstream things, Calibur excuse me, I think it's two things. Number one, they needed him to usher in the bankruptcy. They figured, you know, he's a carnival bar. It'll work. He'll remember, he said, you know, people could kill people on a corner. They'll still love me if he killed people on the Madison Avenue. So they knew that the globalist got to him because anybody who goes to W. E. F. should not be allowed out into back into this country. Amen. Then the money got to him, right? When they put the couple of hundred million out there for Madeleine, they they knew his ego. They want to smoke up his ass. You know what I mean? He, he busted out every company he owned, you know, bankruptcy guy and all that, all this

28:13bullshit. You know, but they knew and they figured his ego was so big that, hey, let it's like, it's like they had Joe Biden as the interim. They got Trump as a and they they knew the MAGA. They were so, oh my gosh, the MAGA, they didn't just drink Kool-Aid. They drink caracene, they drink benzene, they drink every poison. They'll take anything because I call it Magasaki. It blew up in their face now. It's over. And and they're still the hardcore magas out there. They'll tell you, oh, come on, current Mike. What else do we have? Well, you know, we did, I don't know how many shows Mike, how many shows did we do the lesser of two evils before the election? We did probably a dozen. Yeah, I mean, it was the lesser of two evils. Do you want Kamala Harris or do you want Trump? They gave us a great choice, right? You got Kamala Harris or Trump. That was like saying get run over by an 18 wheeler or your tractor trailer or take a train, which one you like. Right? Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, I would say, I said this on the show multiple times.

29:18What differences does it matter if you're going to hell in a bus or an airplane? And that's the difference right there. And I would completely agree. I'll come back to that in a second. I just wanted to say on the on the media because this is my show's like mine, like yours are so important because you cannot trust the, you know, the Sean Hannity's and the Mark Levan's and the Glenn Beck. Oh my gosh. People are literally garbage. But the vast majority of Americans on the conservative side of things, right? They're watching Fox News or listening to Glenn Beck and they think they've got some insider view on what's actually occurring. It's not. We need independent journalists that are not the hold into any. And that's what we're doing. That's what you guys are doing. That's what I'm doing on my program. And that's why we need the audience to share this information because you're not hearing conversations like this on Sean Hannity. You know, Sean Hannity's over there telling you that this is the most important election of our lifetime. He also said, we're 24. He also said that in 22. He also said that in 20. He also said you like Trump. What do you like Trump? It did it like Trump, right? Yeah, exactly. Right. Glenn Beck was like part of this

30:22whole, you know, no Trump never Trump, right? And then he flipped all of a sudden because why? Because there's money to be made because he sold out. That's what it's about. Well, what the Fox News, they Caleb, look at Fox News. It's now basically a manpower company. So anytime they need somebody in administration, they go, okay, let's see who's available. And they pull somebody else and they company administration. Fox News is basically, it's all about Trump. It's like an extension of the White House press secretary. It's Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. That's all it is. And you know, look, you look at this family. What they're doing, the business guys around him. He, the people he put in positions that are not governmental or whatever, you know, traveling and representing us in Russia, representing us in Iran. You know, worth it. We have a vice president, man. Let the guy do his job. You got Marco Rubio. Let him do his job. You know, you don't need all this other fluff. And you don't need to, what's the latest thing like they saw phones and coins? What are they selling? He's selling subscriptions, Caleb now 100,000 to get the inside scoop on

31:28truth social. So he's going to break the news to you before he breaks the news to truth social that you got a bet on this. And by the way, there's a very good lady on X who's a former CIA might, she's a, she said there was seven billion dollars made in oil trades on all these Iranian moves. And she's going to narrow in on who made the money. Seven billion on shorts and logs. Huh? Now you know, in the past, even the most corrupt presidents we had back then, they would put their money in a trust and their families would not be doing these kind of wackity do things. I understand Donald Trump wants to make some more money because they made him spend a lot of money the last time around what? A couple hundred million dollars for lawyers. But you know, you can't do this. You just can't do it. It's like, you should be allowed to do it. Mike, you remember when everybody was all upset about Hunter Biden and oh yeah, Hunter Biden, his millions, this, this Trump change, this, this, this,

32:30this penny is compared to what the Trump family is making right now. I just saw an article today, Baron Trump, the son, who's, who's what 20 years old, something like that. He's now worth more than his own mother is. And then you got Eric Trump over there. He's, he's, he's standing in line and he's doing, he's doing one of these, right? Like he's elbows are all cocked out. He's doing the illuminati hand symbols. You're like, what is that? His wife waxes him. She's like, stop doing that. You know, you got Eric Trump over there snort and coke. Like this family is absolutely corrupt. And you got the mega people. It's literally, I liked what you were saying. You know, they're, they're drinking the Kool-Aid, the poison, everything. I would say this to you. Maybe because I've written books with poop themes. But you know, Donald Trump, when he goes to the bathroom, the sewage line goes directly into the mouth of all these mega people and they're just swallowing up. True, am I? Yeah. You know, I think part of it is too, though I have to say, I think some people who are, are still benighted or by him, by Trump, it's a matter of despair

33:39because there's, there's, I didn't even think of that. You're so compassionate. Thank you. Well, no, I don't know if it's compassionate or just an idea, Colonel. I just think there's a lot of people who couldn't, can't believe where we are. And finally, a light comes on. And it makes things, when it doesn't, when it goes off again, it just makes everything worse than it was instead of, you know, a little better. So I think there's a, there's a combination of things out there, decent people. And there's a lot of people who voted for Trump because they thought they're going to make money out of the market or whatever it was. Absolutely. But I think there's a number of people are out there who are just genuinely fearful, if you will, for the future of the nation. And I think that was good reason. Let's go back to Charles Finney. Remember what he said? Blame the pulpits. Charles Finney told us. Remember that, right, King? I do remember that. And once again, yes, he's absolutely right. We do need to blame the pulpits.

34:43You know, I think it was banning who I'm not a fan of at all. And if you want to know why, just go read the email. He's the lead in him and everything. He's upon artist. He absolutely is. But he said that politics is downstream of culture. Well, if that's the truth, then the church needs to be upstream of both. Everyone influenced everything that's going on politically. We've got to influence the culture. And there's a reason why we keep having these representatives that are complete and utter sellouts that are literally worshipping a serving Satan. It's because the pulpits allow them to do that. We don't care anymore. We're not calling out sin. We're afraid to say things like, women shouldn't be pastors because that's what the holy word says. Oh my gosh, I'm just offending everybody now. Well, that's what the word says. Don't take it up with me. Take it up with Paul, who was serving Christ Jesus. They're afraid to say homosexuality is the sin. We can't go through Romans one guys anymore because that's going to offend people. I'm sorry. I love you enough. Why? Because I care about your final destination to tell you, hey, you're living in a life of sin and also operating into the fundamental belief, guys,

35:50that hey, we're all falling. You know, there's no higher yet. I don't look to the homosexual and say, man, I don't struggle with that sin. So I'm a little bit higher up here. I come my own issues. Absolutely, I do. I'm a failure. That's because I'm still separated by sin. So let's call out sin. Not be afraid of it. And circle the wagons around Christianity that says, hey, we are all fallen human beings. We fail all the time. But you know what? This is the truth. This is 100% the truth. And because I worship Jesus Christ, he's going to stand before the judge and say, nope, this one's mine. This one gets into heaven because of my blood, not anything I do. Well, I think that's exactly right. It's concerned me for a long time. I'm a Roman Catholic. I never hear anything from the pulpit except the embroiderment of the gospel, which is fine. But we all live in this world. And if we're not going out and doing things and trying to help

36:53people who need it, then there's no point in the rest of it because you're not going to go to heaven anyway. But it's just so strange to me that our preachers, priests, I have never heard them in the last 10 years talk about why aren't we pushing the government to find a way to feed the 25% of American kids who go to bed hungry every night. You know, who who's supposed to care about that? I think the church is ought to be right up on top of that. And you know, in the church, I have a long too, has enormous amounts of funding. I live in an area in southwestern Virginia where there's a lot of churches that are very not very much bigger than houses. And you know, small congregations, Protestants usually. And they're always out there beating the drum for people who need clothing or people who need food or people who need assistance with their children, something

37:57like that. And yet the big boys, they just stand back and say, you know, say, oh, it'll work itself out. I remember when that idiot Obama got elected, I was a interim professor at Georgetown University. And those bastard Jesuits invited that bastard in there to talk about whatever he wanted to talk about, about how abortion is good and women this and women that. And it's it's always been a kind of holding on to it with my nails at the moment because it's just, it gets ridiculous. I send, I try to send a little money to add a couple of things every month and that's fine, but it's about what I can do alone. And I think maybe a new church and as I'm the horizon. I think you're right. I think once again, you know, those those fundamental things, you

39:01know, you said you're a Roman Catholic. I'm a Lutheran, right? We're not supposed to get along and here we are having a great conversation. Look, it's about those fundamental things. Is Jesus Christ, Lord? You believe in the divinity, right? The trinity that he was born of a virgin mother, right? These are all essential things that he died on the cross that he rose again and they ascended to heaven, you know, in a spectacular fashion, right? Those were all essential things. The doctrine and the dogma that separates us, we need to move away from that with the, but still with the understanding that there are certain things, certain heresies that we cannot break bread with. Right. We got to have we got to have that, you know, there's certain things we all agree on. Hey guys, wait a minute. Hey guys, wait a minute. You forgot to say it was all because of Judaism. Judaism helped us get that Judaism helped us. It's because of Judaism. You're leaving that out. I mean, Martin Luther wrote about this. You know, it's probably not one of his more popular books,

40:03but he did write about this. But yeah, I mean, we do have to start coming together as Christians, as believers in Christ Jesus and started dressing the ills of the world. And yeah, when there's a problem, when there's, when there's children that are going hungry, the Bible commands us to care for widows and orphans. That's a direct commandment. Let's start doing that. Let's start being, you know, those, those hands and feet as the evangelicals. Aelobics, excuse me, sir. Excuse me. Some of the American Christians don't read that chapter about orphans and widows. They go right to the Kardashian show on Netflix. You're right. It's really terrible. The demographic church is what it is. And I don't believe that it's going to go anywhere, but more negatively under this new poll. But the glory, one of the glories of America was reformed Protestantism. From the time we were founded as a country, today, some of the most important things that have happened in this country

41:09have been powered by Protestants. I think Donald Blycer now, because they're all afraid of the tax break thing. Well, it was the Presbyterians, Mike, and the Quakers in the early days, right? Absolutely. And the Bank of the Church of Scotland, two played an enormous role both in Canada and the United States. Oh, Scotland. Talking about Scotland. Yeah, Scotland now, almost every elected official from Pakistan somewhere. They really came a long way, baby. Yeah. But I mean, for the United States, the United States would not be here if it wasn't for Protestantism. Just would exactly my friend, Mayflower or nothing. Yeah. I think we got to wrap it up, Caleb. It was great talking to you, man. Thank you so much. Very good to talk to you, sir. Come back again. Yeah, I'd love to join you guys. If I may, real quick, I'd love for your audience to come check me out. The website is church and state.media. We're on all the social media platforms. We just got back on YouTube as well. I got banned because I wouldn't shut up about the vaccine. Oh, you're not banned once or twice. You're not real good. That's exactly. Yeah. So, but please check that out,

42:13church and state.media. And also, if you guys are interested in it, we're on rumble as well. Yeah, you can find us there. Church and state 1776. And then yeah, if the audience is interested in getting out of the matrix of the iPhone and the Android's, get yourself a ghost phone. They're actually more affordable than the phones you're picking up at T-Mobile and Verizon. And you're going to have a phone that doesn't spy on you. And if you want to check that out, it's a graphene OS phone. So it's a pixel phone that we removed Google entirely from. And we install graphene OS, which is the most private secure operating system in the world. It's a great phone. Go check out. Let me let me see. Where's it manufactured? What country? Yeah. So the pixel phone is a garbage phone, right? But the cool thing about the pixel phone is that you can dig Google it. And so, okay. But I mean, where's the operating system from America? Graphene OS is, that's a, I mean, that's a free market one. I don't even know actually who initially invented it. But it's, it is the most print. What's that Chris? It's open source. Yeah, exactly. My producer

43:15is reminded me. It's open source. So anybody can get on here and check on graphene OS and see if it's doing exactly what they say they're doing. So that's the benefit of open source. Okay. Great. Great. Did you see that? He just, Mike, did you see that? He just called this producer live on the show? Yes. Well, he's in the same room with me. Well, wait, oh, that's okay. No, but I'm just saying, let me call my producer. Maybe he'll get back to me next week. How's that? You better order in richest. No, I'm just doing as a slam for my producer because he goes A-Wall once in a while. And he doesn't mean it. He just, I was kind of busy, Kurt. I'm like, all right. Hey, listen, thank you. God bless you. Take care. Good luck. See you soon. Yes. Great job, sir. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Bye. Bye.