Trump Becomes the Very Thing He Swore to Destroy. And It Might Cost Us Our Country.

0:00It's an interesting and revealing experience to talk to Trump voters right now. They're having a lot of conflicting thoughts. Now, most people who voted for Donald Trump in 2024 did so not because they were more popular with their neighbors, but because they felt that Donald Trump was the last chance this country had to make fundamental changes it needed to make to avert obvious disasters looming on the horizon. And so because people who voted for Trump did so against the considered advice of every news organization in the United States, basically, and all educated, fashionable people, they kind of went out on a limb to vote for the sky. There is a natural hesitance to concede that things aren't working as planned. So if you talk to them, they will almost all concede, almost all concede, that a regime change worth of Ron was kind of not part of the plan. Very few people voted for Trump, hoping that the Iran nuclear program that didn't actually

1:05exist in any meaningful way would be the central focus of the administration, like that nobody thought that who voted for Trump two years ago. And some of them will tell you, no, it's actually very important that we ended that or continue to fight Ron for whatever reason. Those are the Fox News viewers are almost all over 70. But for most Trump voters, it's an obvious betrayal, like obviously, of course we didn't want that. Of course you promised you wouldn't do it. You did it. So they'll tell you that. But that's not the same as regretting their vote for Trump because most people who voted for Trump, who I should say are some of the best people in the country, everything could Trump. It's sort of this weird situation where the best people in the country elected one of the worst people in the country or another way to put it, the people who care most about the United States, who are the most vested in the system, who believe most fervently and say the Constitution, somehow elected a guy who doesn't care at all about any of that. So how did that happen? Well, only historians probably will unravel that mystery. But in the meantime, most people who voted for Trump that we've talked to anyway are

2:08not at the point where they're rejecting Trump. They don't want to reject Trump. They've vested so much in the guy that it's too hard to concede that, wow, that was a mistake. And of course, most of them wouldn't vote for Kamala Harris under any circumstances. So it's not like they had someone else to vote for. But if you press them a little bit, they say, look, yeah, of course, this is not going as planned at all. And they'll tell you what a lot of them said in his first term from 2016 to 2020. They'll say, you know, he's a good guy, but he's surrounded somehow by bad people who don't share the same vision who are not America first, who are in it for themselves or in it for a foreign country or whatever. They've sold Trump out, but Trump either can't get a handle on the federal bureaucracy or he just doesn't know. He doesn't know that they're doing this. You know, if only Trump knew. And then if you press them still more, they will say, yeah, well, look, it's, you know, it's not great in a lot of ways, but immigration. He sealed the border.

3:08He kept his promises on immigration. And that's not a small thing because Trump's position on immigration is the core of the Trump movement and has been since 2015 when he first emerged as a candidate, not a credible candidate. He was still kind of a joke to a lot of people in Washington, New York, and LA, but he soon became a force in the Republican Party and then pretty swiftly took over the Republican Party because of his position on immigration. And for two reasons, one, it was a lot more popular than anyone in New York Los Angeles or Washington had any idea. He just didn't know that there was a whole world out there that disagreed with him vehemently on the question of immigration and not just illegal immigration, but immigration broadly, like who should live here? Do we have too many people here? Too few people here? Most people fear their, feel there too many already. It's becoming a crowded country and most Americans are not for that.

4:09Why would they be for that? And they felt this way even 10 years ago. And so Trump's position on that is the thing, the single thing that vaulted him from failed casino magnet to presidential nominee. It was immigration and his willingness, and this is the second part of the equation, to basically give the finger not simply to the establishment, but to the Republican establishment. Trump was never a Orthodox Republican. That's not a knock against him. That's the whole reason that so many Republican voters supported him because they were dissatisfied with their own party. They voted for these guys since Reagan, at least since 1980. And what did they gotten? Not a better country, but a weaker poorer country. Their party had betrayed them and they knew that, whether they admitted it in public or not. So Trump's willingness to break with the Republican party on the question of immigration, which was a core Republican orthodoxy. It was Ronald Reagan, of course, who signed the amnesty of 1986, totally changing the

5:10composition of the state of California, his state and others. And so from 1986 to 2016, that was the Republican position. Yeah, we have problems with legal immigration, but immigration is great. It's the basis of our country. It's engraved on the bottom of the Statue of Liberty. Give us your tired and poor and people yearning to be free, et cetera. That's the guy who does my lawn. Only Trump could change that. Or more to the point, only Trump did change that. And so in case you've forgotten, here is the last 10 years encapsulated in four or five soundbites of Donald Trump on immigration. And the first clip you're about to see is exactly 10 years old. It was August 31st, 2016, exactly 10 years ago. Here's Donald Trump. The fundamental problem with the immigration system in our country is that it serves the

6:12needs of wealthy donors, political activists, and powerful, powerful politicians. So you can do it. Let me tell you who it does not serve. It does not serve you. The American people doesn't serve you. Under my administration, anyone who illegally crosses the border will be detained until they are removed out of our country and back to the country from which they came. Anyone who has entered the United States illegally is subject to deportation. That is what it means to have laws and to have a country, otherwise we don't have a country. Day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone.

7:14And you can call it deported if you want. The press doesn't like that term. You can call it whatever the hell you want. They're gone. You know, it's worth lingering over those words. And you wonder who wrote that? Sounds like a Stephen Miller speech. Much hate towards Stephen Miller, the old Stephen Miller, for writing things like that we're just guessing. But let's just consider these words. The fundamental problem with the immigration system in our country is that it serves the needs of wealthy donors, political activists and powerful politicians. Let me tell you who it does not serve. It does not serve the American people. It doesn't serve you. So how is that not true? Everything about that paragraph is true. The immigration system was not designed to benefit the public. And if it was, tell me how it's worked. There's no net economic benefit to the way the United States has done immigration over the last 25 years. And if there is, what was it?

8:14How could a country that transitions from manufacturing to a knowledge economy and now to high tech to an economy that doesn't even really need labor? That's the promise of AI. How does it need 100 million new low skilled workers who don't speak English? Tell me what need that serves. Tell me how the United States benefits from that ordinary people. Of course, there's no sense in which the public benefits from that. And you know that that's true because the people who designed that system and have defended that system haven't actually defended it. They've merely attacked anyone who questions that system. You're a racist. You just don't like them because they're not white. Meanwhile, often in the same speech, they will say immigration is turning American non-white and that's great. And anyone who notices that is a believer in the great replacement conspiracy theory, which is anti-Semitic. It's not an argument in favor of immigration. It's a control tactic designed to crush opposition to a program that on its face hurts

9:20the majority of the country and is certainly being enacted against the will of the majority of the country. And so way back 10 years ago in August of 2016, Trump said that out loud. That may be more than anything, perhaps his opposition to the Iraq war retroactively. But let's just say probably more than anything, his critique of the American immigration system and particularly his point, his true impossible to refute point, that it serves only the people who designed it and not the public. That's why they opposed him. That itself is revealing because in fact, Trump is making a kind of traditionally left-wing critique of pro-labor critique. In fact, he's making a species of exactly the same argument that organized labor made throughout the teens and 20s. And that's why after the first war, about 1924, at the behest of the labor unions, the

10:21United States essentially shut down immigration into the country to keep the labor market tight, to keep wages up for the working in middle class. And that's one of the main reasons that this country from then until 2015 on the Barack Obama had a majority in the middle class that is no longer true. And the primary reason it's no longer true is because labor markets were watered down by more people. It's a supply and demand question. More willing workers, lower wages. And then the secondary effect, which is the total destruction of the native workforce. People born in this country, raised with a certain expectation of standard of living, drop out of the workforce entirely they give up. And that has happened and it's measurable. In fact, it's one of the defining facts the moment we're living in, though it's almost never noted. People born in this country, people who had conceivably relatives who fought in the Civil War, are dropping out of the workforce in record numbers.

11:23One of the reasons we still have a tight labor market. It's one of the reasons it's hard to find help because people born here are not working. And they're certainly not working at the lower end of the scale. So everything about Trump's critique was not just right, it was spot on. And he wrote that critique to victory in 2016, along with a couple of very specific promises. And you heard a couple of them right there and we'll add another. This build a wall. The 2016 campaign could be boiled down to one slogan, build a wall. Well, of course, Trump didn't build a wall. Didn't even make really a good faith effort to build a wall. And his supporters and defenders mostly ignored that. Me included. Because most of them felt he probably wanted to. It's just hard and he got distracted and there was rush a gate. Those people who voted for Trump all three times and even the last time believed.

12:25In fact, I'd never met anyone who voted for Trump who didn't believe that he really did understand that mass migration is terrible for the United States as it has been terrible for Europe. As it was terrible for Central Asia under the Mongols, it's always terrible. It's too much change, too fast. And it destroys the pre-existing culture every single time. So we know that. It's not racism. That's nature. And Trump knew that and he said it. And most people, people hated him and loved him thought he meant it as he said it. Why did they think that? Because he kept saying it. This is one feature of Trump's program that remained consistent from 2015 all the way up until election night, 2024. Here is Trump that year, that campaign on stage with Kamal Harris in the now famous moment where he accused the Haitians of the Midwest of eating the dogs and cats.

13:27Watch. What they have done to our country by allowing these millions and millions of people to come into our country and look at what's happening to the towns all over the United States. And a lot of towns don't want to talk. It's not going to be a rora or a Springfield. A lot of towns don't want to talk about it because they're so embarrassed by it. In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats, they're eating, they're eating the pets of the people that live there. Really, one of the great moments in political history. And of course, it worked on a couple of different levels. On a political level, this is what the kids call trolling. Trump says something knowing it will provoke outrage, blind outrage. In fact, blind rage and that every liberal on social media will be spouting, just fuming, sputtering, spitting, huffing. And that anger will provoke them, his opponents, to take positions that are totally out of

14:29line with where the rest of the public is. In other words, by making the mad, he makes them more extreme. And that extremism sinks their ship in the end. It's smart. It may be corrosive, it may be damaging long-term, but it's a political tactic that works. And no one did it better, no one does it better to this day than Donald Trump. So on that level, it was a success. But on a deeper level, it worked because there's a lot of truth in that. Were the Haitians eating the dogs and cats in Springfield? I don't know. They certainly could have been, has mass migration, third world mass migration made small towns in America better. Only people who've never been to those towns could claim it has. Anyone who's actually been to those towns or lives in one, who's gotten in a car and driven through lightly populated parts of the country in the last 15 years. What does it look like? It looks awful. It's dying. And the solution in state after state and town after town city after city, beginning with Chicago, long our second biggest city, now our third.

15:32But in all kinds of cities, the tax base has gone. We've got a lot of empty apartments. We're going to fill them up with immigrants. And they've done that. And the effect has been devastating to the country. It's not an attack in those immigrants. Most of them are looking for a better life, whether or not they care about the United States. In many cases, they don't. They don't even seek citizenship. They don't care. They're here to make money for their families back home. That doesn't make them evil. Most of them aren't evil. Some of them are criminals. But most of them aren't. In fact, a lot of them are very hard workers. So it's not an attack on them to say that it has been utterly devastating to the communities in which they've moved or been moved. Because everything changes instantly. And what does that mean for the people who live in those communities who grew up there, who had no role at all in this policy, who wouldn't sign off on it if they'd had the chance, but of course, you're never given the chance they weren't even asked.

16:34It happened to them. People who live far away, who have more power than they do, impose this on them for reasons that nothing to do with their well-being or thriving. It was a kind of punishment imposed from afar. That's how they experience it because that's what it is. And they're resentful about that. That doesn't make them racist. Most of them aren't racist. However that means, by the way, the people throwing on the term racist never define it, but they're not bad people. They're not evil. They don't hate others because of their skin color. They just don't want their neighborhood to change overnight and become a foreign experience who would want that. And by the way, the people making these decisions never impose these decisions on their own neighborhoods. And if you don't believe it, drive through their neighborhoods. Look up the 15 richest zip codes in the United States, and they're also the most stable zip codes. Because they are not subjected to mass migration. So that kind of tells you the whole story right there. Martha's Vineyard looks a lot like it did 50 years ago.

17:34So does Nan Tucket. So does Brookline, Massachusetts. So does Aspen. If it's so great, then why don't they have 10,000 Haitians living in Martha's Vineyard? Because it's not great. That's why it's not an attack on the Haitians. It's the nature of mass migration, taking people from a completely different culture, with no education, limited skills, and no money, and dropping them into what was formerly a pretty prosperous, stable community. Who benefits? Not the formerly prosperous community. If you think that's racist, then go away. Because that's absurd. It's not. It's real. And Trump made that point. He was brave enough to do that. And God bless him for doing it. So because he said that and many things like that, normal people who don't just dismiss all challenges to their worldview as racism or anti-semitism, but try to critically assess what others are saying. Those people said to themselves, you know, he's onto something here.

18:36Like what are we doing to Springfield, Ohio? Why aren't we doing that to Bethesda, Maryland? Well, we're not doing it to Bethesda, Maryland, because Bethesda, Maryland is rich and members of Congress live there. That's why. In Springfield, Ohio, where is that? Who cares? That's like post-industrial hell. We can do whatever we want to them. And if we want to construct artificially a new voting base in the middle of Ohio, if we want to change it from red to blue or whatever our plan is, we just want a week in America and divide it. So it can't oppose us collectively, which may be part of the plan. But whatever our aim is, we can do it in Springfield, Ohio, because who's going to stop us? They don't have a lobby in DC. Mary Madeleine doesn't care what happens in Springfield, Ohio. So that's what happened. And everybody knows that. And let's stop lying about it. And Trump was one of the only people not to lie about it. And of course, he expressed it in artfully, kind of retarded way, but it doesn't make it less true. So it was on the basis of that and his opposition to foreign wars that got him elected in 2024.

19:39So what happened then? Well, a lot happened then. On the other hand, not much happened then. As you're about to learn, as we talked to the recently departed head of Border Patrol, Greg Bavino, who spent 30 years in the Border Patrol and was hired early on to get our immigration system under control. One of the things that happened is that there was turnover in who ran our immigration system. Now it's mostly run from Washington, of course, and ICE and the Border Patrol are the two main instruments. Take a look at the new head of the entire immigration enforcement operation. This is a former senator from Oklahoma called Mark Wayne Mullin. And he's taken over in the last year. This is the guy Trump hired to deport over 100 million illegals.

20:44Watch this. We have naturalization ceremonies every single day in the United States that is, you know, federal government's open. We have hundreds of thousands of people. In fact, over, we're real close to 900,000 individuals that have been naturalized in the last 12 months. Is it legal system to go through? Wait a second. This is the guy who runs Department of Homeland Security, Mark Wayne Mullin, who was hired by Trump to deport all these illegals who came into the country over the last 20 years, but particularly over the four years under Joe Biden. 50 million, they told us. And here he is this month, that was August 4th of this month, sitting before the National Governors Association bragging about how many of these people have become citizens, almost a million, 900,000. What was that? The promise did Trump run less than two years ago on the promise to give citizenship

21:46to people who came here illegally? Wasn't it the opposite of that? And if it was the opposite of that, why did he hire one of the most liberal Republicans in the Senate, one of the most pro-legal immigration Republicans in the entire Senate? That's saying a lot, Mark Wayne Mullin, to run deportation. This is starting to feel like a betrayal. Oh, but it gets worse. Here's what Mark Wayne Mullin went on to say to the governors on August 4th of this year. What I'm saying is, let me work with you on this stuff. I'm not handling things like maybe the past, uh, uh, uh, Secretary had. I'm just saying, let's work to get the worst of the worst off the streets. And then you won't see me in your cities and states like you do as much because my presence won't be as big. In fact, you probably want to use this at all. Oh, we're going to stop enforcing immigration law. We're going to go after the worst of the worst, the criminals who, by the way, presumably

22:46could be rounded up by local or state law enforcement, isn't that their job? This is the head of federal immigration enforcement. The guy whose job was literally paid to enforce immigration law, laws that were passed by the Congress. These aren't regulations that came out of the agencies. These are laws passed by the democratic process. In other words, you vote for someone so he can make a law that reflects your views and your values. That's what democracy is. And he does. And then this guy is hired to make sure those laws are enforced. And here he is telling the 50 governors that actually I'm not going to enforce those laws. Now if he worked for Joe Biden, this would be a scandal would be on every Fox News show all day long. Here's the head of the Department of Homeland Security saying he's not going to enforce immigration law. Oh, my gosh, they're open borders people, which they were. This is Trump's guy, Mark Wayne Mullin, making the same claim. Because of the point is really simple.

23:48The true betrayal of the second Trump term may not be foreign policy. That's the most damaging thing. Trump or any American president has ever done, beginning a fruitless war with Iran and thereby destroying our empire and probably our dollar. But in terms of a political betrayal, what Trump has not done in immigration is more profound because there's probably won't find a single Trump voter who disagreed with Trump's views and immigration. And once again, this is why Trump was able to move from the private sector as a branding guy to the White House as an American president was on the basis of his promises on immigration. So for him to betray those promises is profound and it's understandable that most people voted for him can't metabolize this. You don't want to deal with it, want to believe we've sealed the border and everything's fine. But at a certain point, it's important to know exactly where we are.

24:50Not just speculate about it or cite some study from Yale on what's the state of illegal immigration in the United States. But talk to the guy who ran it. Greg Bavino, who ran Border Patrol, who has the actual numbers on this question. How many illegal aliens are in the United States? These are people who are foreign nationals who are living here illegally, who have broken the law to get here in a breaking law in every single case, every single day by using fake documents to work and collect benefits and send their kids to public school and to use the emergency room at public expense, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And these are not minor laws. These are core laws that if you broke, you would be punished for breaking. So how many of those are there? How many were in this country the day Trump was inaugurated January 20th, 2025, and how many are here now? What are the real numbers? No one has pointed this out.

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29:58You should listen carefully to this interview and you should pay special and very close attention to his description of what the administration is now trying to do to him. It's shocking. Greg Bavino. Greg Bavino, thank you very much for doing this. So just to kind of set it in context, what is the state of illegal immigration in the United States today? To the extent that we know, like how many illegal immigrants live in the United States? How many have been deported since Trump elected, etc. Like where are we? Tucker, thanks for having me. It's good to see you. Of course. State of illegal immigration. One word comes to mind that's catastrophe. Right now in the United States, I've got the number of 107 million illegal aliens currently residing within punty. I might add in the United States, 107 million, 107 million, one quarter of the population. We've got 330,000 approximately American citizens, add another 107 million onto that. I think you can look around in any state, any region or any city in the United States.

31:02If you're just a regular American citizen and say, well, you know what? There's an awful lot of illegal aliens and foreigners in our country. Yeah, I mean, it's a completely different country because it's got a completely different population and you're discouraged from saying that for some reason. People are bullied into silence on the question, but I mean, it's not the same country. It's not even close. And you know, better in some ways, worse in a lot of ways, but it's totally different. I assume that was mostly because of legal immigration, but 107 million illegal illegal. The ones that came right across that border, not only over the past few years under the Biden administration, but look at what's happened over the past 40 years. Why are we fighting a war with Iran? Sorry. Well, it makes me mad. Why are we using our $1.5 trillion military to fight a war across the world when we have 107 million illegal aliens in our country? We've said it many times in the Border Patrol, the war is on American soil, the war, the

32:03effort. That true effort is on American soil. So I agree with you on that. 100% Tucker is the wars on American soil and it's not a war to simply deport those 107 million illegal aliens. This is survival of the species ladies and gentlemen. We are at that precipice of are we going to remain the United States, the country of our values, traditions and beliefs, or are we going to devolve into something completely different? If we don't do something quick and fight that war here on American soil, we're there. But I mean, that was the whole point of getting Trump elected twice was to stop illegal immigration, build a wall, which he didn't do. And then, okay, we'll give him another chance. 2024, I read Bavino to run Border Patrol, Tom Homan, tough on immigration or whatever, like Stephen Miller. He means it. And the one thing you knew about Trump was we were going to deport people who are here illegally because they have no right to be here, the breaking the law.

33:04I go to jail if I break the law, but if you're from a foreign country, you get subsidies to come here. If you break the law, like it doesn't make any sense. But that hasn't happened. Has it? It happened for that very short period of time in the interior when the Border Patrol and the US Border Patrol was in the interior and then with the surrender in Minnesota. It stopped the 77 million voters voted for mass deportations. I guess they didn't matter anymore. But it does matter. It matters to you. It matters to me. It matters to the 77 million people it matters to this 22,000 Border Patrol agents who put their life on the line in those cities to have that rug jerked out from under them by those homens and those commissioner Rodney Scott's. Okay. So, without getting, you know, the federal government is its own field of study. Okay. You could get a PhD in it and still not understand it. It's the largest human organization in history. It's spent $7 trillion a year.

34:04So like, it's hard to understand what it is. But in terms that non-experts can understand, what is the difference between the Border Patrol and ICE? There are a vast difference. The US Border Patrol is the uniformed branch of Department of Homeland Security, CBP and the US Border Patrol. They wear uniforms. They wear uniforms just like a police officer you might see in a city. They wear uniforms. They are the immigration police. The uniformed immigration police. Then we've got ICE. Border Patrol. Border Patrol. They've been around forever, right? Been here 102 years. And they've had that interior border mission for all 102 years. It was the US Border Patrol, the Marine Corps Federal Enforcement, that expeditionary force that would go into the United States over those 102 years and there are many examples of that to deport up to millions of illegal aliens. It's always been their mission. And right now, that uniformed immigration force is standing shoulder to shoulder on

35:06the border, staring south, twiddling their thumbs. Just Border Patrol and history now taken off the table. The most highly trained immigration police that you have taken right out of the game. Why would you take your pro squad or your varsity squad out of the game? I'm totally confused. So, okay. So there are two parts of this question. There's the border, you know, the line between the United States and Mexico and Canada. And then there's the question of illegal, the 107 illegal aliens living in the country. So you often hear people say, well, we sealed the borders. So Trump succeeded. I don't think that's correct. I don't think that's what success is, but have the borders been sealed. The borders are under control more than they ever have been in my lifetime. However, when you don't have that interior immigration enforcement, that mass deportation, what does that do to your border? What does that do to the cartels and the transnational criminal organizations that are going to push

36:10people across that border? No defense in history has ever been 100% none will ever be 100%. What does that do? Well, you know, if I make it pass those border patrol agents who are standing on the line and facing south, how got a freebie? Tucker, I got a freebie. I got a freebie because if I get into the interior, there are no mass deportations occurring. There is the worst of the worst and the targeted criminal enforcement that sounds so great. What illegal alien crossing the border is going to say, well, gosh, I'm the worst of the worst. I better not cross. None of them think that. So what that does to your border is that makes your border less secure and you will see that over a period of time that they are going to try and come across that border and they will. They'll succeed because all they have to do is make it into the interior. And once they make it into the interior, they're up against ice. You ask what the difference between ice and border patrol. Ice fantastic. There's Patriots there. I love the ice agents. I worked with them for that year.

37:10Tough individuals. They got a tough mission, but remember that is your non-uniformed immigration officers, the ones that go into jails and arrest non-criminals, long-term investigations. They're your plain close detectives. Tucker, would you send New York City police detectives into the most violent situation that New York has ever faced and said, well, you're going to go tackle a violent street crime now and our uniform police officers are going to stand by and do something else. No. Absolutely not. Well, that's what's happening right now. So when did border patrol stop policing the interior of the country for illegal immigration? Well, most recently it was our surrender in Minnesota. But before that, you have to remember the U.S. border patrol had interior border patrol stations. Yes. Places like Little Rock, Arkansas, Oklahoma City, Las Vegas, Amarillo, Texas, Dallas, Texas, all over the interior, it was because they were that interior immigration force

38:12when needed to go in and pacify a region in an area or a city so that them, those plain close detectives who do a great job could then take a pacified area and keep it pacified. That's the way that whole thing has worked for 102 years. That's been upended. That doesn't happen now. Why is that? Would you tell me? Why is that? When did that stop? Minnesota. You know, the great, I call it the great surrender. The great surrender in Minnesota when Commissioner Rodney Scott and Tom Homan decided to come in after who are they? These customs and Border Patrol Commissioner Rodney Scott. And what's his background? Border Patrol, career Border Patrol. Career board should know what the Border Patrol is to be used for. And Tom Homan is who? These are borders are a prior ice official spin as whole year with ice. I believe he was a Border Patrol agent for about a year and then jumped on over to the plain close division there.

39:13So you've got those two individuals that remember they were silent, completely silent for that year when those Border Patrol agents were battling it out in a two front war in those cities, a two front war, what's the two front war? Calling the bad people and bad things, the cartels and the illegal aliens and the criminals and then battling the pritzers, the noosoms, the mayor basses and the politicians. Where were they during that year? But then Minnesota, all of a sudden they show up and say, hey, we're here to save the day in Minnesota. What was saving the day? Surrendering interior enforcement. They surrendered. That was saving the day. So your interior enforcement stopped the day the Border Patrol was sent out of Minnesota. That was the decision that the president made. And I, you know, I can't say that was his decision because he did the president can solve with me on that. I understood that it was he announced it anyway. Well, he announced they were, they were coming to Minnesota.

40:15Yeah. You know, I think it's the president's team that has that conspiracy not to conduct interior enforcement. It's that team. I think he gets some bad information. He's got some hellacious gatekeepers. I don't give him much credit for doing anything immigration related because they're doing nothing. But talking about a gatekeeper, in other words, someone that can control that information flow to the big man, they do one hell of a job. They're doing nothing really for immigration enforcement inside the United States. No, it's some target enforcement. You hear an operation here, an operation there. There was one in Maryland. I think they had 1200 arrests last week, something like that. What that is is that we're going to do an operation, spread that, splash that across the headlines and gaslight America into thinking that's what we do every single day all across the United States when nothing could be further from the truth, walk out on the street and

41:16look, walk out on the street, walk to a home depot and take a look at what's in the parking lot of home depot. Does it look like there's mass deportations and interior enforcement occurring? Absolutely not because let me tell you, the illegal alien insurance scared right now, not at all. So the phrase dad bod is obviously a grave slurrer. It's a kind of gender racism, but it is kind of real because staying in shape grows harder as you get older, you work out, you eat, but you just don't get the same results. And that's where Mars men comes in. Mars men is a natural supplement crafted to support healthy testosterone levels, testosterone, the chemical of life. If you're a man, it's designed to support weight management, exercise performance and overall vitality. Does stimulants synthetic hormones or anything creepy or bad? Just carefully selected natural ingredients made in the United States with a focus on quality, let's focus on quality. So if you're looking to stay sharper, more energetic, retain your focus, keep the drive necessary

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43:19For the second term, I would say the 107 million then. And how many now would you say there are in the country? 105 million because Kristina and the US board of the Joll did cause those self deportations to occur during that year, lines at the airport going south like you wouldn't believe. That's not happening now. What do you think? Do you think there are about one and a half million self deportations? Approximately, yes. How many deportations by force? Five to 600,000 maybe. Maybe. So you think that after all of that and all the drama that ensued, that there are still 105 million illegal aliens in the United States right now. Absolutely, absolutely. You bet. 105 solid could be more than that even duck her. Does anyone else know this? You know, because if you've got a population of 330, 330 million and 105 million illegal aliens, I mean, that's like the craziest number I've ever heard.

44:20You really think that's the real number? Absolutely. And you know, I guess you would know, right? Because you ran for patrol. And one, seeing what's coming across the border and then juxtaposing that with what we saw in the cities and regions we were in. And then even taking a look at some of the numbers, something as simple as a traffic pattern. Charlotte, North Carolina's got a fantastic example. Take a look at commuters going to work. Commuters going to work in Charlotte when we arrived for that five day operation, Operation Charlotte's Web, the commute went from terrible to exceptional. So we started doing some studies. I had this down. I had to do a study on the traffic. Let's extrapolate some numbers. What does it take to have an exceptional commute to work? To do that, you need to remove about 30, approximately 30, 35% of the commuters. And they took a look at the number of commuters going. I think it was, I want to say around 200,000. I can't remember the exact number now.

45:21About 30%, what is that 30% equal? It starts equalling that 107 million, which is a similar percentage of the American population. What is that 25% of the American population? So we looked at the commuters. Then we looked at absentee rates from Charlotte and Mecklenburg schools. 30% of students didn't show up in Charlotte and Mecklenburg. What does that start looking like? It starts looking like 107 million is a pretty accurate figure. We saw the same thing in Chicago, the same thing in Los Angeles. Los Angeles, that commute went from terrible to better than exceptional. How many commuters did we take out of the equation in Los Angeles to make that drive in America's worst traffic, traffic-getting to make it really good? And they're like, wow, these commutes are really good. Think about what that took. So we have a crowded poor country, which we do because of illegal immigration.

46:22That's what you're saying. Yes, I am saying that 100% I think that a majority of our problems are downstream of immigration, whether it's something as simple as a commute to work, but something more insiduous and more important, such as affordability for housing for our young people. 107 million people in our country. What does that do to housing? What does that do to welfare, jail, schools, hospitals? What does that do to any service that an American citizen should think they have access to? It occludes it. It occludes it to the point where they don't have it. Take a look at our natural resources. I'm a big natural resource. I'm a conservationist. I am too. Look at what's happening to our natural resources. We had Teddy Roosevelt and Gifford Pinchot, and they started that conservation movement, along with Americans. That conservation movement is over 100 years old now. It's been destroyed in many areas of the country in 10 years. 100 years of conservation destroyed in 10 years entire ecosystems wiped out by illegal

47:24aliens. Look at the Jinsang harvest in our eastern forests. Many of those poor mountain families, from where I'm from there in the Appalachian Mountains, harvested Jinsang for hundreds of years since Daniel Boone all the way to the mid-1990s. They can't do that anymore. Why? It's been stripped. That Jinsang has been stripped from those mountains by illegal aliens. Hey, you know what? Let's drop off 15 illegal aliens. We'll scour the entire mountain side, take every single bit of it in a non-sustainable harvest and take it off. Oh, you're right. But that's everything. Getting too upset. Hey, Betucker. That's not just Jinsang. That's everything. So I did a research paper on that. Back in 2012, they wouldn't let me publish it in the Board of Patrol. It was destruction of our nation's natural resources by illegal aliens. Wouldn't let me publish it. You could publish it? Why? They said it was too controversial. They told the truth. So it was too controversial for a Board of Patrol agent to note that illegal immigration was destroying our natural resources?

48:25Imagine that. Yes. Try several times. Just national suicide. That's obviously. Yeah, you bet. So every facet of our natural resources are under attack. You know, look, we're having water problems out west. They're telling us we may have rolling blackouts because we don't have enough electricity. Everything is downstream of immigration. No pun intended, but the water problem out west, we can fix that in about two years. Deport 107 million of those illegal aliens taking your and my water and my resources, problem solved. We're Sierra Club. Hey, where's all the environmental groups? They don't seem to really care in all of the sudden. You know, I guess that's okay. If it's illegal aliens, you know, not a problem. If Tucker Carlson or Greg Bovina drops a little bit of oil, you know, out of your car on the pavement, my god, a hells to pay. It's called the DSP, the double standard phenomenon, which is also right in America.

49:25The double standard phenomenon. Legal aliens get a pass. You don't because you're one of those dastardly American citizens who is apparently the devil of the world, but an illegal alien that actually uses those resources and hurts your culture, your species. That's okay. See it every day and I think you do too. I couldn't agree more and that's one of the reasons that I campaigned for Trump. That and no new foreign wars. Eating rights pretty important, but it's hard if you live here about half of the American diet is ultra processed foods and that hurts you. Make food harms your body, your mind, and especially your liver. So people think that feeling sluggish and foggy and bloated is just what it is to be older, that's not true. Eating crap makes you feel that way. Well our friends at DOS have a solution. It's called DOS for your liver. This doctor approved plant-based liver supplement is clinically proven to promote liver function and lower liver enzyme levels.

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51:29illegal aliens have no right to be here living here in violation of the law and living in almost all cases on public support. I mean, whether it's schools, roads, hospitals or direct support from the states, I think they wouldn't even believe you. I think Trump voters really think that the administration has done a great job on immigration because Fox News has told them that. The gaslighting masterclass. Really? Masterclass. Can you give me an example? Well, again, the operations that they conduct. Hey, you know what? Largest amount of illegal aliens or largest amount of aliens deported in the past 50 years, just took place last week. Hey, where do the numbers? I can't seem to get the numbers. Your social media influencers can't seem to get the numbers, but they're shirt out in the numbers out there. And what are the numbers? I haven't seen the numbers. If this is really happening, then how is it that 250 Border Patrol agents on those interior

52:31operations pretty much shut down large sections of the country where we didn't see an illegal alien, they weren't going to hospitals, jail schools or anything else because they were either self-deporting or buttoning up. That's not happening now. So if what you say is really taking place, you would see the effects every American citizen would see the effects like they saw it over that past year during Operation Large, Operation Midway Blitz, Charlotte's Web, Operation Catehue LeCrunch, and then the surrender in Minnesota, you would see that. You would see it with your own eyes. You know, it's not some ethereal concept. Tara, you can see that kind of thing with your own eyes. And American citizens that come up to us on the streets came up to us on the streets and come up to me on the streets now. They say, gosh, it sure was a different story when you guys were out. And the mean green team was out there on the streets, taking it to them. Wow, everything was different. We finally had hope. You're not getting that now from people that are actually up against illegal immigration

53:33most especially. And this is key here, our young people. Those young conservatives, wow, now there are a bunch of individuals that are seeing this. I get more comments and more rhetoric from them than anybody I have ever seen. They are not happy. They're future. They understand it. It's being taken away. It has been taken away. And you know, Tucker, something very powerful here. One of those young conservatives came up to me and said, you know, we've only heard stories of America. We've only heard the story of America. I'm like, what do you mean? The story of America. We are America. It's a story. He goes, we don't know what America is. People like you tell us what America. People like Tucker say, this is what America used to be like. We've only heard the story of America. That was the most powerful thing I've ever heard. Being a board of a children agent is this young person that doesn't even know what real America is because it's been taken from them.

54:35A lot of it through illegal immigration. And you know, they better wake up. Some of these people that have betrayed us, some of those gatekeepers that I just talked to better wake up because there's a lot of pissed off people out there, especially the young. They did a big part in ensuring that there was somebody in office that would take care of immigration. Very unhappy campers right now. And they don't blame them a bit. They should be unhappy. And they are sharpening spears dancing around the campfire right now. They have every reason to. One measure of border security is the presence of narcotics that are manufactured outside the country. And cocaine is one that cocaine is a pretty good measure because we don't grow cocoa here. So all cocaine, at least the base, cocaine base comes from outside the country, comes from the Andes. So in 1985, the average cost of a gram of highly impure cocaine, majority baby-laxed of cocaine was $100 a gram. And you had to drive to some sketchy area and rolled on you and went into it and buy it

55:36in risk your life. The price now in many American cities, particularly in Texas, is $50 a gram for almost totally pure cocaine. You can have delivered to your house within like 10 minutes. No risk. So that tells me that we don't have secure borders. If the price of cocaine, and that's not adjusted for inflation, those are just the straight numbers. $100 in 1985, $50 now. So that's like, I don't even know what the inflation adjustment would be. That's like $5 a gram in 1985. Dollars. Clearly, we're not keeping drugs out, right? Exactly. Exactly. And that's where those mass deportations are so very important that $107, 105 million is so very important. We saw that in those cities. Look at the double digit drops in crying in those cities when those cocaine traffickers, when those human traffickers, whatever traffickers couldn't traffic anymore, double digit drops in crime when you take a, we're not taking away the, the people that use it.

56:38A lot of those American citizens dumb enough to, to do that kind of thing. But we're just going to remove everyone that traffics it, that knows it's being trafficked. As anything to do with, with it being trafficked, we're just going to do away with them. I think he did start out really good. He was blowing some, some drug boats up the fentanyl. fentanyl kills a lot of people. That's terrible stuff. Just like cocaine and anything else. Hey, that was good. That was taking place simultaneously with us in those cities, taking it to the illegal aliens. Hey, that gave me hope. I was like, well, they're actually bombing boats in the water. Well, if you're going to take away board of patrol from in the interior, are you really going to be that serious? Are you going to bomb a boat and do what Rodney Scott and Tom Homan do? Do it one time splash across the headlines and say, yeah, we're really taking it to me. You did one time. So I'm a little bit confused. So Homan, who I've interviewed several times, says he's very against illegal immigration and has a pistol and an ankle holster and kind of seems like a rough and ready no BS kind

57:42of guy who's dedicated his life to fighting illegal immigration. You worked with him. Tell us, is that an accurate picture? You know, I'll tell you, when you're going to lead an effort to do something like that, inevitably, and it's a must do. You better have your ass out there on the front lines with your people bleeding next to them, especially in the most violent law enforcement, domestic law enforcement mission that's faced the US in its history, the most. And I'm even including prohibition in this one now. Where were these individuals during that year of pure unadulterated violence? I didn't see him. Where was Commissioner Rodney Scott missing an action? Where was Tom Homan? Nice guy. He fun guy to talk to, probably a great guy to have a whiskey with. Where was he? Ankle holster and all.

58:44Where were they? You better get your butt out there with your people bleed and be ready to make that ultimate sacrifice next to them. You're not too good. You're not too good to do that. None of you are. You better get out there and do that. So I would pose that question back to you as my answer is, oh, where were they? I never saw, not once. Never even heard from them. Never had a conversation. Nothing. Silence. But they're not silent now. Still not out there, but not silent. More of a, we're going to take a soft approach. I guess maybe that's the tough. Does that mean a soft approach? A soft approach means we're not going to be out there doing those general immigration raids. We're not going to conduct total spectrum immigration enforcement, which is what you have to do if you're going to win this battle. Total spectrum immigration. That means everything brought to bear against that enemy. In other words, we're talking about the war being fought on American soil. It's going to take an effort like that. A total warfare, what they're talking about is a limited form of enforcement.

59:50Sort of like Ward War II versus Vietnam. What do we do in Vietnam? Well, you know, we're going to do some precision limited strikes here and we're not going to go total warfare and we're going to lose. Whereas Ward War II, total spectrum warfare, whatever it takes, we do. So that's what the soft approach is. Is we're going to do a precision strike. Hey, precision, precision strike, Tucker's never won a war, by the way, it won't. Let's do a precision strike there in Maryland. They did that last week. Maybe got some good apprehensions as those ice agents are the greatest level. They're like board of slaves of patriots. But that'll never win 105 million illegal aliens. You have to do something else. You're not going to put handcuffs on 105 million people. We only got two years left to do that, by the way. You need to encourage and mandate those self deportations and those large scale efforts that it's going to take. It won't be neat, clean and easy. Of course, it's not.

1:00:51We never said it would be. That's what you have to do. A soft approach is the opposite of that. Hey, it's Tucker Carlson. We launched Alp about a year and a half ago and people are voracious for it. They can't get enough. Everywhere you go, you get the same question. When are you making more flavors? We're not in the business of disappointing people. We instead were the business of satisfying them. So we have made at least three more flavors, introducing the Alp of Frontier collection. They are campfire cinnamon, sunset mango and cowboy coffee, available in 4 milligram and 8 milligram. Because if you're going to use nicotine, you don't have some options. Get the new Frontier collection out at AlpPouch.com slash Tucker. Not just in force ID laws. We have AI. How does anybody have a fake social security card or a fake driver's license? And yet millions, tens of millions of people do. I don't think I can get away with that. How are they allowed to get away with it? DSP, double standard phenomenon.

1:01:52It is alive and well in this country. It's one of those unenforced. If you had a fake social security card and tried to open a bank account, I think you'd risk jail for that. Absolutely. Absolutely. You bet. But who's going to go after Unleagaly and for that when... I don't know. The Trump administration wasn't just elected to do this. Didn't you get the majority of the popular vote to do this? Yes. Absolutely. That's not violent. You're not shooting anybody. It's like you can't use fake federal documents. I'm not allowed to use fake federal. No, I'm serious. Like, why is that? How can you get in an airplane if you're here illegally? I mean, they face a recognition of the freaking airport. Like, we're all totally monitored at all times. So if you've got 105 illegal aliens in your country, someone wants them there, someone in power like Donald Trump or whoever is making these decisions. What is this? Yes, what is this? It's a farce. It is a farce. It's a farce. It's a slap in the face. And, you know, it's... But we can still win it.

1:02:52Here's the thing, though. We can still win this. Well, you've got two years because the second... I mean, Democrats are about to take power in two months. And at that point, the chances that... And, you know, you think Republicans are going to win in 2028. I mean, after this, Warren Rondo. So you're going to... They're all going to be legalized. That's it. And then you're just... It's a totally different country from... Done. You're done. That happens. Done. Every American... How is that not going to happen? Well, we can still do it. We can still do it. We've proof-concepted how to do this in the... In the interior, when the U.S. Board of the Total leading efforts in the... The proof-concepts there, it's just on a much larger scale. It's also bringing Ma and Pa America into the fight, bringing the taxpayer into the fight. Remember, that was something in our strategy that was well in motion. You've got to bring them into the fight every day, citizens, like a victory garden in World War II. We're going to do our part. But they think they've already won.

1:03:53They've been told by the administration and Fox News that, you know, this is the upside of Trump. All the downsides is the upside. You've got what you want on the immigration. Yeah. Well, I'm here to say sorely mistaken and absolutely not. You've got... You've got... You scratch the surface. But look around you. Look around and see what that's like out on the streets. Look at what our African Americans are facing in those cities. I get so many calls from conservative blacks saying, you did the... Please come back to Chicago or LA or wherever because that was the only... First and only time that our community is really truly... Had any assistance from anybody. They were all... No one in charge cares about black people. They'd all... Absolutely. Their schools have been destroyed. The murder rates out of control. They've placed by illegal aliens and literally nobody cares. Nobody... Nobody cares. And their families have been here for 30 or 50 years and nobody cares.

1:04:54Nobody gives a damn about that. Nobody gives a damn about that. But you know what? I tell you, Pritzer, Governor Pritzer there in Illinois. He had... He... Once we started in fourth ward and some of those wards and the black folks came out and were supporting us, you could tell they were getting a little edgy. They were like, uh-oh. They're on to something, you know. And what a great... What a great story. A human or a Rodney Scott. And if they're gonna sit back in a safe seat in DC to talk about silence. Silence. Your own citizens coming out, enforced to support. The US board a patrol of all people, of all people. And what a story, what a miss. What a miss by that bunch of gate guards. Unbelievable. Who are the gate guards? Two of them there, I've mentioned, yeah. Fantastic ones there, like, fantastic. At guarding the gate. At guarding the gate. Guarding that if for me, President. You bet. I think if Trump knew what you and I were talking about, you know, I think if you or I could

1:05:56sit across from him and say, here's the real deal that you haven't been getting. I think he might, you know what? I think he would actually reverse course because, and the reason I say this is look at what we did that first year. Once we started, hey, we got calls from Trump. He called the board of patrol. He called us. Man, you guys are doing great. Kick their ass. We've got your back. Kick butt. We're going to take this thing. He said that. Gate guards come in, you know? So I think Caesar was probably up against that. There are many thousands of years ago. Same thing. You can see the jackals and the heinus. They always come in, nip at the tinnons. And I think that's what happened. I think that if he was to hear what was really going on, hear what Americans are thinking and saying, hearing those young people out there and then hearing some of the conspiracies that have actually taken place under his watch by those individuals, he'd be like, well, wow, wait a second.

1:06:56Like what? Well, you know, surrender in Minnesota, you know, people say, bofina, you retired. I did. I retired. That neat, clean and easy. That's a little tired and decided to retire. Hey, Tucker, I got some gas in the tank. There's a retirement there. If they want you gone, if those gate guards want you gone, better watch out. They'll come for you. They will come for you, come for your retirement. They'll come for everything. And to that happen to you? Absolutely. Every bit of the way, every bit of the way, you know, when you play a hard game, you can expect hard treatments. I get that. But not a two front war. Hard treatment should be me and the criminals. Act the two front war with me and the folks that are supposedly your friends, you know, the minute I get the minute I, the minute I left, security detail gets pulled. I'm the world of the highest, if not the highest threats in DHS death threats. I mean, you name it, man, they're coming. Hey, take that guy to security.

1:07:58We're going to shut that guy up. Stroke a midnight came. Those board of intelligence refused to leave my house. And I had to direct order. Hey, no, you're leaving because I'm not in the board of patrol anymore. And, you know what? I knew this. I didn't say that to them. They'll come for you also. They'll come for you also. So the administration, yeah, absolutely. Yes, you bet. But Anthony Fauci still has federal security. We're paying Anthony Fauci's security detail. He doesn't work for the government anymore. He's put the whole life on the federal teeth. And he still has secret service protection. Anthony Fauci, who committed crimes, but you don't because the administration didn't want you to have security. Why? I think to silence me because it's like it's killed because that's what it sounds like. Do I think they want me dead at this point? Yes. I'm in a running battle every time I go out. I mean, every time the citizens of my end community are like, what is going on with you?

1:09:03These people come, there's some crazies out there. You know, you know this, Tucker. And you bet. Do I think they want me killed? Absolutely. You know, the administration? Yeah, absolutely. Or more of the gate guards, I don't think Trump would. I think if Trump knew what they had done and what they would do to board of patrol agents or ICE officers or anyone that disagrees with them, I think he would have an absolute panic attack or a heart attack. Over something like that. But you think home and wants you gone dead. I think Rodney Scott, he's the one that took my security detail away with home and there. Yeah, absolutely. You bet. Why? You know, that's a pretty heavy thing to say. And if I wasn't from Washington, I probably wouldn't believe you, but I do believe you since I am sure. Well, you know, I wouldn't believe it either. But with what was coming at me the minute I retired, I thought, yeah, I'll probably get some security there. You know, they're coming after other family members as well. Your family members. Absolutely. Through the mail, there was one point where the FBI had to intercept every single piece

1:10:05of mail because there were some bad things coming in the mail, that kind of thing. And just the vast amount of death threats, I got docs yesterday by WBTV channel three in Charlotte, North Carolina. And try to name home addresses. They got the actual. Oh, yes. You bet. Now, I've got a different address with my girlfriend out at a different place, but they did do that. And when that happens over and over and over, what can you name a channel again? A WBTV channel three. Why would it be part of the news gathering process to put your home address on a TV channel? You know, I think that that's something that we saw in those cities with an absolute out of control, so-called news media. They're not a news media. When they do things like they're not a news media, they're a propaganda arm. They're an enforcement arm at that point, an intimidation arm.

1:11:06You bet. But the only problems I'm not intimidating or I wouldn't be here talking to you, they try to take my legal representation away or probably already who did. That was home and in the gate guards. Your legal representation? In other words, if you're sued for actions taken in your official capacity at Border Patrol, you don't get legal representation? I was supposed to. Absolutely. If it was under the performance of your duties under the color of law, and you weren't doing something illegal, right? Yeah. Then absolutely every minute of the day. But apparently others don't see it that way. How do you know that? You know, I got a call from another Border Patrol chief, a retired chief who got a call from them saying, hey, if you don't stop, we're taking it away. Stop what? Stop coming on Tucker Carlson and turning out to truth. Pointing out there's still 105 million illegal aliens in the country. You bet. And- Come and do that. His people. Yeah, I can't say he did his people, yes.

1:12:07You bet. Again, I've interviewed a guy a number of times. I hope he'll come back. I'd love to ask him about this. Absolutely. Yeah. Maybe that would- hell, I'd like to ask him about it. Have you talked to him since you left? No. So I'd love to put a finer point. I mean, first of all, what you said is shocking. Everything you've said is shocking. And really, really distressing and dark. If you think, oh, homin' and this other guy want you dead, I mean, that's like, it's unbelievable. No proofs in the pudding. I think it's fair. But why? I'd love to know a little more precisely why they're so mad at you. I think when we have big labor, or I'm sorry, cheap labor politicians who are a very powerful force. I didn't realize they were this powerful force. That puts a lot of pressure on some individuals. And some individuals may- maybe they want the lucrative contracts also. I don't know. I can't say that for sure. But there's something there behind the scenes that causes that to happen.

1:13:08It doesn't just happen just for the hell of it. Let's have Bovino dead. But not because voters wanted. Voters wanted to get back to the sort of pre-Lunatic American population. They don't want to live in a crowded poor country. Who wants that? Nobody wants to live in Bangladesh. So like, this is nuts. And that's what voters wanted. That's why they elected Trump. That had no new foreign wars. And then the donors convinced Trump to fight a foreign war that voters did not want. And it sounds like donors also pushed Trump to stop immigration enforcement. Yes. I do. Absolutely. You bet. I mean, look at some of the politicians that came out against me or Christine Oom, specifically after the surrender in Minnesota, the Kennedys at a Louisiana or McCall, represent a McCall at a Texas. Like McCall? Yes. Why would they say those things? Like, what did McCall say? I believe he said that we were at a control and too aggressive, something like that.

1:14:09Do you find it interesting? So McCall is a tool of the intelligences that happens to know. And I mean that. And I hope he'll come on and explain how I'm wrong, but he knows I'm not wrong because I've talked to him about it directly. But I have noticed a connection between the people who were like not very loyal to the United States and very into fighting wars on behalf of other nations. They're also very against immigration enforcement. I've noticed that. Have you noticed that? I have in some of the people, and I've noticed that over my career, some people that I would think, oh, they're going to be good on immigration. The worst. I remember when Bush was elected, we were rejoicing the patrol. Yeah. Oh, man, this is going to be great. He was just as bad as Bill Reclinton or worse, of course. Of course. Again, the two front war stabbing you in the back while you're out fighting bad guys. Same thing now except worse. Even worse than the. There's actually this very much like this administration, you know, but all of its time, all of its our money, all of their energy fighting a war in the Middle East and then they're

1:15:09for changing the American population with illegal immigration at the same time. It's so weird. I don't understand the connection. All of it is bad for America. Maybe that's the connection. Tucker, this is, in my opinion, of course, the greatest issue and greatest threat that our nation is faced since its founding. Of course. There's no war in that. I think the Civil War is child's play compared to what we're facing now because this ends at all. 105 million illegal aliens get amnesty and start voting, which it appears that, you know, the thomton tell us, Tom tell us is the McCalls and the rest of that gang want that. When they start voting, everything's gone. If you think your second amendment gets gone, that second amendment's gone, everything's gone. Goldier, your culture, your values, traditions, everything. They don't care. You know, Tucker, they don't care about your history, nor the American, American history because that which is, Robert Heinlein said it the best.

1:16:09He wrote Starship Troopers. That which is given has no value. That which is given has no value. We just gave them citizenship. They will hate you for that. They'll abhor you for that. They do abhor us for that. You can already see it. Entitlement mentality, it's not an entitlement. They just hate Americans because we're stupid enough to do it. And when you give someone something like that, they don't care if your granddad died of you a gima or your great, great, great granddad at Gettysburg or maybe you had a ancestor that was a founding father, they could give a damn about that. They don't care. When that ceases to be a reality here in our country and you're in my country, you're done. Right now, we're at the precipice of the greatest of either solving or bowing down to the greatest threat that we have ever faced since the founding. I strongly agree with that.

1:17:11It seems very obvious and that's why there's so little national cohesion. The upside, however, for the people in charge is an immigrant population as much easier to control. They don't believe that the Bill of Rights is real or applies to them. They don't have natural rights. They don't know and told them what that is. So you can kind of do whatever you want to them and call yourself the hero of the story. And you see it with rich people and their housekeepers who all secretly hate them. But they're totally convinced that Catalina loves me. I'm the hero to her. There is a kind of psychology, the rich white lady psychology around this question. There's the Democratic plantation owners, there's the new plantation owners and that's the way they even act like it. These are leaders, these French left liberal socialists act like that, like plantation owners. Oh, I know. It's absolutely amazing the way what they do and you talk about racist, holy cow. They're the worst. Yep. Yeah, no, they've seen it so much.

1:18:15So how did when Christina whom left was forced out and then replaced by one of the slowest, famously one of the slowest, but certainly one of the most liberal members of the United States Senate, Mark Wayne Mullin, which he is. He's extremely liberal and because he's from Oklahoma, like nobody seems to get that, but he is particularly an immigration and foreign policy. I mean, it's like giving it to Lindsey Graham. How did that, why would you put Mark Wayne Mullin, a liberal, a Kamala Harris liberal in that role? Exactly. I think when we talk about those donors, that donor class, getting someone confirmed, why would you not put a liberal and you're going to get enough votes from the crazy Democrats? And then you're going to get the support from the big labor rhinos, just like they did with Commissioner Rodney Scott. We sailed through the confirmation, folks, you know what, he's bringing back Biden, era individuals into CBP right now as we speak.

1:19:18The ones that let the 30 million in actually, yo, you bet. Yes. Does the White House know this? You know, I don't think, again, I think the gate guards keep it so guarded. I don't think we're even Miller. I thought he was this big. I don't know. I see you bet you got some work to do there, buddy. Got some work to do there, Stevie. I'm just confused because wasn't this the issue that defined them? Yes. Yes, it was. So that's how someone like a Mark Mullen is put into a position like that. There are a certain class of people that love a mullen. Hey, you know, Mullen, what is he listening to? He's listening to Tom Homan, Rodney Scott, Worst of the Worst in Tarty. That's really all he can, that's all he can regurgitate. And so that for people who haven't heard that talking point, that means we're going after the really bad ones. They're really bad ones. Worst of the criminal aliens, the terrorists, child molesters, you know, folks that are committed murder, whatever, the worst of the worst.

1:20:19People have criticized his real stuff like that. Really, the really bad ones who deserve the death penalty. And I will say that that is the opposite of what we should be doing. That is not a threat to your nation. Let me say this again. A lot of people think I'm crazy. That's not the threat to your nation is the worst of the worst. The threat to your nation is your run of the mill. E the Galean that we've just said, the 105 million that don't share your cultures, your values that don't care about anything related to America that have been given, said that want to be given citizenship. That's far more of a threat. Hey, we can get those criminal aliens anytime. That record's not going away. We can get them anytime, anytime. Right now we've got that window to get that regular run of the mill illegally in maybe a landscaper, maybe it doesn't have a criminal record in the US, even though we still a criminal because across the border illegally, they're all criminals. We probably have does have a criminal record in a foreign country that we won't know about.

1:21:21But that is far more of a threat to you, me, and our values than an MS-13 gang. But certainly a threat to our justice system because I'm like, why should I obey the law? Why am I going? Why do I have a seatbelt alarm in my car? Consul getting lectured about everything all the time from everybody in authority, $18 a pack, cigarettes, just like an unaffordable life. And a legal code that you have to hire a lawyer to understand whether you're in compliance and you better know whether you're in compliance because you go to jail or get fined if you're not. And then 105 million people get to just like give the finger to the US code and nobody does anything about it. It's like, why am I obeying the law? Like, why? Does that make sense? Not a lick of sense. But what it is is it's a litmus test. The litmus test took place over this past year with that interior enforcement campaign. Hey, you know what? We don't agree with that law. We don't agree with the immigration laws that are enshrined in the I and A. the immigration

1:22:24nationality act in those court decisions and the constitution and everything. We don't agree with that. So we're going to riot and we're going to martyr whatever we've got to do because we don't agree with that law. That's a litmus test because if you don't agree with an immigration law and do away with it, do away with the board of control, surrender. You can do that with anything. You can do that with any law. There's not just that. Just mob rules. Exactly. The most violent group gets to do whatever it wants. It does. And me, you'll pay the price if we do something right now. You're right. They'll be on us in an instant. But the 105 million, not so much back to the natural resources. I've interviewed many game wardens throughout the 50 states. And they said, you know, a lot of times we won't even write on the legal alien because one, we don't know who who he is. We don't know who this person is. Or if we do, he beats us out of court. He walks out of the courtroom before we even do. Something happens. I'm not going to waste my time doing that. Now you or me, we do something.

1:23:26You're done. You're done. And you're done. Oh, trust. Yeah. You're done. And try shooting a rough grouse on a Sunday in the state of Maine. Yeah. As a legal resident. Yes. Yeah. No, I know. But Gilnett, 100 fish is an illegal alien. That's what they're doing now because they see our natural resources as something for them, not something to conserve or conserve. Gilnett? Gilnett. They'll just throw a Gilnett in the water. You know, during this, when I was writing this research paper, I was abhorred at actually what was happening. They'll Gilnett fish catch 50 of them when you actually Gilnett fish. Yes. And you or me, our limit may be two or three or whatever the limit is. I don't kill any fish. And I think I might shoot someone for Gilnetting. Like that's, I mean, that's immoral and I'm not for shooting anybody. But I would be tempted to shoot someone for Gilnetting. And it's so outrageous. It is. Happens all the time. Seriously? Yes. Yes. You know, I wish I'd brought my paper. I'll send you a copy of my paper.

1:24:28I don't want to read it. And so upset just hearing all facets of our conservation effort are under siege, all facets. Like destroying God's creation in our country. Yes. And destroying our sustainable resources. You know, we're sportsmen, sportsmen, sports women because we have a sustainable system of producing. You know what? Tell me about it. Do you think that the third world gives a crap about that? No, because they don't do it in their countries. So they come here, see ours. They don't have to obviously pay attention to our laws. What's the Trump administration doing to fix the problem you're describing right now? They're letting illegal aliens go during operations. They let 20 go in North Carolina, three weeks ago, three weeks ago last Sunday on one of our wild and scenic rivers. They, I think they apprehended 10. They allowed 20 to walk in one of those wild and scenic areas in rich resources were being destroyed. Are you serious? Yes. Absolutely. I tweeted about it or X to about it or whatever that is.

1:25:29Tweeter about it. And they said their systems were down. Their computer systems were now probably these individuals were not single male adults and would have been a little harder to remove or they would have had to put females in detention and apparently, you know, you can't do that if you're an illegal alien female. Why do people go to detention? Why don't they just bring them to the border of Mexico where they all came from? Exactly. Or fly them right from the spot. Exactly. I agree. Or put them on a big container ship and drive them across the ocean. Whatever you need to do. Yes. But they allowed 20 to walk. They want to answer that question. I pose that question, put it up on my ex. So what do they want to kill you? I have probably so. Yeah. I think that if they could or not them, but if it happened, I don't think they'd be too sick. So how exactly you said you didn't retire? You got fired. How did that work? You know, after Minnesota, I returned to my sector and that was the El Centro sector. We called that the premier sector in the U.S. border. I've got to give a plug to those folks out there. The premier sector. Central California.

1:26:29Yes. That was the sector under Biden. East of San Diego. Between San Diego and Ume Arizona. Yeah. It's a tough, tough place. Rough place. But hotter, the fire harder, the metal. That was your interior staff out of the El Centro sector. Those folks controlled our part of the border under Biden. You know, we didn't prescribe to throughput and decompression. That was, pushes many in as you came. Well, we didn't disobey orders, Tucker. It was throughput and decompression the other way back into Mexico. And guess what happened? Nobody wanted to cross the border in El Centro. We smashed them, including the red Chinese and anybody else that came across the border. So anyway, I get back to El Centro right after Minnesota and the investigations begin. And I think, and what do you people do in the investigations of what? The first one that came down, the bike, was you might remember the Chicago judge said

1:27:30that I lied in a courtroom? That's death for a law enforcement officer to lie. That's, you're done. That's lack of candor. Yeah. They'll get you every time on that as they should. You shouldn't lie. Well, I didn't lie in a courtroom. By the way, I'll set the record straight on that one, told the truth every minute. But simply because a federal judge said that, even though her entire decision was vacated by the higher court, they said what you, what your whole ruling is ludicrous and you're actually constitutionally suspect, by the way, which is, should be death for a crazy judge. But the investigation, hey, you know what? We're going to investigate you for lack of candor lying. And I'm like, huh, wow, but that whole thing was vacated. What are you talking about? Doesn't matter. You're getting investigated. So they sent that case to something called a DRB, disciplinary review board. DRB says, you know what? That's a panel of leadership within customs and border protection that takes a look at

1:28:33disciplinary cases. Highly unusual for the commissioner to send that case straight to a DRB with no investigation. The DRB, that review board looks at it and says, you know what? There's nothing here. We see absolutely nothing here. Send it back. Case should be closed. Well, that commissioner says, you know what? Let's take another shot at him. I'm going to weaponize internal affairs on this one. Hey, internal affairs, this guy lied, opened an investigation on him. And it gets to that point and they start coming after you like that. I've been to the federal government long enough to know what they're doing. They're coming after your retirement. They're not just coming to fire. They're going to take your retirement, your pension, everything. So I get a lawyer and he says, you know, I've never seen anything like this before. You better get your ass out of the federal government real quick. Seriously? Yes. But I don't run too easy. And I said, you know, I think, you know, I think I'm going to fight this one because it's cut and dried. He goes, don't. You put a period on a piece of paper and they're going to say you lied.

1:29:37And then the second investigation came down. You may have remembered the, they accused me of anti-Semitism. I don't remember that. That was out of, I think most Americans have been accused of anti-Semitism. Yeah. Of course, you know, and other one they said that I made some anti-Semitic comments to the US attorney there in Minnesota. Did you? Absolutely not. I never, I never talked to him when I made the comments. I was talking to some of his staff who quit the next day and then doxed me because they didn't agree with the way the board of patrol or that the board of patrol is even in Minnesota. You just crazy stuff. You can't believe the stuff happens. Anyway, they said, hey, anti-Semitism and the New York Times ran with it. What did they say you said? They said that I said the Jewish people were the chosen ones, but that I said it in a very sarcastic tone. I guess that must be anti-Semitism. I don't know. It was straight out of the Bible study from about 1976 in North Carolina.

1:30:39Hey, Jews chosen ones. I can say that all day long. That's not anti-Semitism. I think it'd be the opposite if I said that. So anyway, we're in the court of George Republican version of George Floyd here though where everyone is accused of some bias crime. You bet. Except it's now anti-Semitism not racism because nobody cares about black people anymore. It's the same thing though. Absolutely. I didn't even know I was under investigation for this until the New York Times informed me, hey, since you're under investigation for anti-Semitism, would you like to make a comment? They called me and I'm like, what are you talking about? My own agency didn't even tell me. I found that out through the New York Times reporter that called me. Under investigation for anti-Semitism? Yes. The Trump administration did that too. CBP. Customs, I don't think Trump knew about it. No, but it's the federal administration. Yeah. So I found that one out and I'm like, wow, this is interesting. This is interesting. So then to make a long story short, some special agent show up at my house say we start not banging on the door.

1:31:40I'm like, what's going on here? My security team says, we don't know what's going on. What's going on? I didn't answer the door. I don't need to answer the door. They were there for my computer, which I was retiring the next day. They said they wanted to write that minute. I never talked to them. They get the orders from somewhere in DC. We'll just go ahead and smash the guy's door in and make entry. Luckily the US border patrols there and said, eh, it's the way that thing works and they got sent packing. That was what was happening there. It's time to retire. You know, this is so crazy. I can hardly, and I mean, as far as I know, you didn't do anything other than believe the campaign promises, the rest of us believed in 2024 and thought, okay, here's a chance to do what voters have asked their government to do. Yeah. Hey, you know, when you're given a mission, you go hard at it and no regrets there with a mission regrets with how I handled some of those gate guards and the administration.

1:32:46You know, I would like to, I think I could have taken a more active role in briefing Trump face to face on some of this. I think that had he known and saw our strategy, what the end goal was, how Americans were coalescing behind us. I think you're going, all right, great job. So I could have done a better job on that. You know, I think a lot of the individuals around here are non-border security professionals. They have no, they don't know the difference between Border Patrol and ICE even. I don't think a lot of them even know the difference between US border patrol and ICE. They get the ICE. That's a nice mission. Vastly difference. What? With, I never understood, I mean, you can tell my views in immigration. I think it's a disaster. It is a disaster. But I was, I never liked the idea of any federal agent wearing some kind of narco mask on the street. What was that? That was the doxing. That was the fact that they would take that agent.

1:33:50That agent's face and say, hey, his mother and father live at such and such an address. He and his daughter live at such and such an address. And then people start showing up within 24 hours. And the reason we know that, one, me, I didn't wear a mask and, you know, man, they were on me quick. There were some other agents that didn't wear a mask and it happened to them immediately. I mean, within hours. But okay. Right. We had like a mafia and all kinds of organized criminal elements in this country over centuries, which we kind of defeated. So if there were organized groups threatening the families of federal employees, we should probably go after those groups, go after the groups and the folks that fund those groups. You bet. Holesale. I don't know why is that hard. Why is that a hard concept? No, I'm serious because then everything falls apart. That's not a person question. It's just like the system falls apart if no one can enforce the law because of threat from criminal gangs, right?

1:34:52Absolutely. And the anarchists in the streets. Yeah, but there's never been a systematic effort to fix any of that. And I don't know why. You know, there was the one effort that I saw was that U.S. attorney out of the central district in California. His name was Bill Asale. What a patriot that man was. He actually did go after those individuals in California when we were in Los Angeles. And you know what that did? That really, that really dialed down the violence against our effort in the cities, dialed the riots down, dialed the crazies down because he was actively going after them and prosecuting them. He got some fantastic prosecutions. That's been lost in the narrative somehow. What a success that man was. We had the opposite in the other cities is, you know, we're not, we're going to wait until they leave and just not do anything because, you know, my gosh, this is scary. And, you know, there'd be awful lot of prosecutions and migracious.

1:35:56But Asale and the FBI there and in central district Los Angeles, they did a fantastic job. They proof tested that concept. It can be done. They did it. The FBI, along with that U.S. attorney, they kicked about, but there were a lot of other U.S. attorneys that were patently against us. Some of them actually got fired under the Trump administration. Well, I would hope so. But you should be able to enforce the law. I mean, what's the point of the system if you can't do that? And by the way, I do think I get why people want to wear masks. I get why they're afraid. But I also feel like you see, you give up some legitimacy when you do that. Like when you're enforcing the laws, if you're a law enforcement officer, you're standing behind laws that the Congress passed, elected by the people of this country. Like you are the front line in a system that we all hope is legitimate. If you can't show your face in public, I don't know. I mean, what message are you sending?

1:36:56We can't control our own country. We're not legitimate enough to defeat domestic insurgencies against us. Like what are you saying? It's such an expression of weakness. I guess it freaks me out. Does that make sense? It does. And again, why do we allow anarchy to take place in the streets, in the face of law enforcement and normalize it? Why does that allow to be normalized? And well, only certain kinds of anarchy allowed to be normalized, the ones that the donors prefer. But most people are not for that at all. And if you were to have like a mass protest against election theft or illegal immigration to be shut down immediately, by the same people who allow Black Lives Matter protests to destroy our cities. Right? So it's like a selective enforcement. And I think it all goes back to the root cause, which is the richest people in the country are trying to destroy the country. But they don't care. Or they don't care. They want to get richer. And they'll do it on the backs of you. They'll step on the dead bodies of their citizens to get there.

1:37:57100%. I wish I didn't think that, but I do think that. Because the evidence is in. Don't you think? It's getting irrefutable at this point to have what's happening in our country take place now. I wouldn't be speaking. If you had said you're going on Tucker and you're going to say what I just have said, I said you're absolutely crazy. I was going to put this in the book, but you know, it needs to be said now. It needs to be said now. If you told me when I was speaking on Thursday night at the Republican National Convention, introducing Trump, that two years later, I would be talking to a former federal official about how he betrayed the entire country and immigration or his administration did, I'd be like, I don't think that. That's not possible. I mean, this whole thing is so shocking to me. I can't believe it's happening. Yeah. Well, you know, I think it shocked a lot of Americans. They thought there was so much hope out there. And that's probably one of the greatest, they're one of the most heart-rending messages I get is there was so much hope with what was happening in those cities.

1:38:59We watched you guys, the green team every night, and we thought, we're there. Hey, we're taking it back even Europe. I've been going to Europe quite a bit here lately, talking to those folks with the remageration summits and restore Britain and that type of thing. And they said the same thing. We've got the same problem with the same solution. We watched what was happening, starting in Los Angeles every night they were glue. They said, band, there's hope. Look at this. This is really going to happen and it's going to start happening in Europe. And then all of a sudden lights out. The light switch was turned off and it all drowned. All of that hope ground to a halt. And it's shocking. You just said, you're shocked. I'm shocked. I would never have thought that would have happened. The minimum was building and then the light switch went out. We went into darkness. What do you think happens next? I have great faith in American exceptionalism.

1:40:00People like Tucker Carlson, people like these young conservatives, those young people. I think you're going to start seeing a lot of young people in campuses and throughout the United States standing up, saying, wait a second, we've had enough. We want the story of America back. We want to make the story of America. We want to know what America is like. We're done with this. And I think there's going to be a lot of pressure put on the donor class on President Trump. And many of these, in the feckless bureaucrats that I've just talked about, those gate guards, those worthless gate guards. And I'm always an optimist. I'm always an optimist. Never be a defeatist. We've been up against some dark times before in this nation. Maybe not this dark. But we have and we always came through. I think that you or I wouldn't be talking if we thought it was done. I think that disperors for those who see the end beyond any doubts, I'm not despair yet. We're rapidly that window is closing.

1:41:03And I think that as long as we're talking about this and that people care and that there's still enough Americans here ready to do what it takes, we can write the ship, we can do it. Maybe it takes off tomorrow. That spark has to be lit. Hope you like the spark, Tucker. Greg, we've, you know, thank you very much for doing this. I appreciate it. Pleasure has been mine, sir. Boy you upset me.