Trump Losing The WH? Mike Johnson Panics Over Midterms and Losing His Job

0:00Okay, joining me today on IHIP news is political strategist and commentator. You may see him cooking and talking about politics all at the same time in your Instagram feed. It's Sawyer Hackett. Sawyer, thank you for joining me. Great to be with you. All right. So we are in the final sprint to the midterms. And Trump seems to be accepting that he may lose. Let's play the clip. I didn't have one. But isn't this just as important, Mr. President? I made that wonderful legacy is on the line. It's never as important. Look, I'm campaigning for other people. When you say my legacy, I'll be a block. I'll end up being a blocker. I'll block all their bad stuff for two years. It won't be the same, but I'll be a blocker. What can I tell you? And probably be able to make deals with them. You know, they're going to want some stuff and we'll get you a make deals. I mean, it's one of those things. So it's not as dire. Maybe it is the same. I was talking about impeachment investigations, that whole routine. They'll try and impeach. Why is that bizarrely comforting?

1:01I think it's because it seemed like for a long time that Donald Trump actively didn't care if Republicans won the midterms or even competed in the midterms. Now it seems like he's completely come to terms with the fact that he's going to lose both the House and the Senate in November. It's going to be by a wide margins. And he's looking at a Democrat, United Democratic Congress that's going to hold him accountable and he's starting to panic. And so he's talking about making deals with Democrats. Like that's going to be on the table in the Democratic Congress. You know, I think it's been painfully obvious that he's known this for a long time. He's obviously not spending his money on these Republican candidates. He's not going out there and campaigning yet. He's making that Trump polusa all about him. He's inserting himself into the middle of this race saying, I am on the ballot. Meanwhile, he doesn't want any of the responsibility if these guys get their asses kicked. So it is kind of comforting to watch that because it seems like everyone has come to terms with the fact that the Trump era is coming to an end. Of course, he's still in office. He's still going to be extremely dangerous. And we have to do every single thing we can to hold him accountable these next couple

2:03of years. But it seems like even he is starting to realize that his era of power, of stranglehold of our politics is ending. Yeah. And then we also have to remember when we watch this because how many times did we feel in 2016 or in 2024 ago he's going to get beat and he knows it? Like I feel like I felt this before. And so because of that collective PTSD that those of us that are saying and not in a cult share with that, we have to remind our audiences all the time that like he may be looking like this, but his base is something that I'm glad he had the Republican convention and I saw that rabid, insane enthusiasm because it's a reminder, oh, they're still there. He has a 90% approval rating in the Republican Party because we have a cultural problem in this country and they are the cancer, the deplorable, the trash, everything that Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden called these people, they didn't go far enough. Right. And you're absolutely right. I mean, he's like defied polling and political gravity for his entire political life.

3:05I think the difference is this is a midterm race and he is not on the ballot and those, you know, as much as he can scream that he is and that, you know, Republicans need to get out there and vote for him, they're not voting for him. He's not on the ballot. They're voting for Republican candidates at a time when they feel like their Republicans are not kind of living up to their promises of lowering costs, addressing the issues they care about. And so he's doing the one thing that he's always had to revert back to, which is bring it back to me, bring it back to Donald Trump. And you know, it's very telling the moves that they're making right now because they're entering these like last 50 days with Donald Trump's approval rating at 33%. You know, in all time low across the board, you know, the generic ballot Democrats are up 10 points. An enthusiasm is extremely down among Republicans. And so they're doing everything possible to juice that enthusiasm. And that's Donald Trump. That's inserting Donald Trump into everything. It's this Trump of Paloza. It's promising $5,000. Every single or going after a sonpiker, everything that they're doing is about juicing the base because they haven't even short that up with 55 days left until the midterms.

4:06They have to win over those, you know, Republicans who are disillusioned and unenthusiastic about this midterm cycle. And I thought that there was particularly telling that they had that convention in Texas because Ken Paxson embodies that more than anybody. He's at like 80% with Republican voters right now. That is not, you cannot win in Texas with only 80% of the Republican coalition. And so they're doing everything they can to just juice out just a little bit more enthusiasm because they know that that gap between Democrats and Republicans is extremely wide. And you know, of course they love to go after a sonpiker, but to me, it looked like they were thirst-trapping African at the convention. But also, I think it really important or democratic message right now that I wish the Democrats would message is these candidates are so bad that even Trump won't give them any of us $400 million. That's how bad these candidates are. He won't even talk about them. The candidates on the ballot are so bad. He had a convention about himself and didn't even talk about these candidates. That's how bad they are. And the Democrats need to sharpen, sharpen, sharpen at all times.

5:09And the Democrats are going to win despite themselves because I have not seen. I mean, I see it and I'll say it. I mean, he goes after them and goes after their masculinity and all of the stuff that I think is the language that they speak. But I really wish that some people would start making the point that these candidates are so shitty that their stingy S.O. Queen president will not give them a cent. That's how shitty these candidates are. And they're in such a shitty position in terms of how they're getting their asses kicked in these races that I'm not even sure that they want Trump's money. I mean, like they don't want him on the campaign trail. They don't want him at the center of their campaign issues. They don't want him in ads. They don't want him in their races because he is toxic to them. I mean, you look across the ballot and all of these issues that he was once very strong on, immigration, the economy. He is now under water by 10, 20 points. That is dragging down every single Republican in the country. And so, you know, I do think Democrats need to go on the offense a little bit more nationally speaking. I mean, I think a lot of these Democratic nominees are taking on their

6:10Republican candidates. But, you know, the national party would be great to have some voices out there kind of talking about the whole field. Just to unite the base and the lead up for voter turnout, there needs to be, I agree, a national, some national messaging from somebody who could, who is rising up, you know, I always think Bernie Sanders says this really well. He's the one speaking out about, yeah, but Fox News is on board with Trump's new 5K bribe for the midterm. So things are so bad. The candidates are so shitty. He won't share his money with him, but he is willing to share tax payer money with them. And here's what Fox News has to say about this. Play the clip. And this is shows just how creative and rule breaking and out of the box for as in Trump is. I'm surprised no one's thought of this before. I mean, it's actually a great way, as you say, to sort of get that momentum, push things forward, especially if you're running, you know, as the incumbent in a midterm, you know, you're already going to have those headwinds. I think this was, I've heard enough.

7:11I've heard enough. I am so sick of Fox News lying and applying a standard if, if Barack Hussein Obama said that he was going to pay every American, if the Democrats won in a midterm, which he got his ass handed to him in midterms, too, that's the way politics are. And he said he stood there and took it like a man, FYI. But if he said something like that, Fox News would say, see they're lazy. They would use a bunch of racist tropes about Obama. They would use a bunch of racist tropes about the black support of Obama. They said they're lazy. They want handouts, blah, blah, blah. But Fox News, and this is something that I just really want to do reputational brand damage to. The people who watch Fox News are so fragile, they would rather be lied to than face a modicum of truth. It's unpleasant for them to hear because they're such fragile little snowflakes. Yeah.

8:12I mean, when people ask me like, why, why, how has this become a cult? Why do people not see through Donald Trump? Why is this still going on, you know, 10 years in? People are still believing him when he says shit like this. And it is because of Fox News. I mean, Fox News is a massive propaganda outlet that they exist solely to launder out culture war issues to keep the Democratic, keep the pro-democracy wing of our politics divided and to boost Republican candidates. I mean, and look at who's saying those comments. That's Rachel Campos-Duffy. That is the Transportation Secretary's wife who was just featured in a documentary about her life and the life of being the wife of a Transportation Secretary. And here she is, you know, touting the administration's policies on air as a Fox News paid co-host. And so, I mean, yeah, it's a giant propaganda outlet. And of course, that's why you have that kind of like 30, 35% of the country that will just never leave him because it is a cult. I mean, these people are cultishly devoted to him. And they'll believe anything he says. I mean, and it's wild that they can't see through the fact that he made that promise for

9:13$5,000 to give us doge checks. He made the promise to give us $2,000 for tariffs checks. $1,000 for the savings from slashing our healthcare subsidies in the ACA. And so, you know, if you add up all that money, you're looking at what, 10 grand now of Trump promises that you have not seen. And it's like, that doesn't even register with them. They haven't even thought about the fact that that money never materialized in their bank account. And yet he's out here just making the promises. But I'll come back to that point again about like, this is base turnout. People think of this as like, oh, this is persuasion. He's reaching out to people in the middle. Oh, here's a bribe that I can get these people to come out to the polls. I don't think that that's true. He believes this except for the people who are dyed in the wool Trump supporters. They think that that $5,000 is going to come to them. But I don't think anybody who was wishy washy about Trump, anybody who was on the fence is looking at these kind of comments, these promises and being like, well, that's my sign to vote for Donald Trump. I don't think that's happening. Yeah, no, I agree with you. And here's a montage of some of the other times and you alluded to this in your answer that Trump has promised to send Americans checks.

10:14I've been at 20% dividends, so to speak. There could be a distribution or dividend to the people of our country. We're thinking maybe a thousand to 2000 really bronze there. To face change, those are two million companies, low income people, everybody for the rich. Nobody actually has something to do. I mean, this guy is just, he's such a blowhard. He's so foolish shit. I understand at this stage, nothing he does or says surprises me. It doesn't. But I think about all of the Republicans that support him and how much they emasculate themselves. And the ringleader of all of this is little Moses Mike Grindr Johnson. And I call him that number one to be petty, but number two, because again, we have to do reputational brand damage to these people. The speaker of the house is such a net. He what monitors his son's porn. He went to a purity ball. Like a cuck porn, no shit.

11:15Yeah. He went to a purity ball and married his 13 year old daughter and said, your virginity is mine. And then I'll give it to your husband. That's some weird ass shit. I know if I knew that. Yeah. He went, there's a German documentary filmmaker did it. He married, he went his daughter wore a little dress. He put a ring on her finger and she gave her virginity to her dad for him to keep safe until he approved of her husband. That's some weird ass shit. And then it gets worse from there. Then during the whole, you know, ousting of the former speaker of the house and the incoming of him, that whole shit show, he stood on camera and said that God woke him up and milled the night and said, hey, wait, wait, wait, got a little buddy. Your Moses and Mike goes, me? This is crazy shit. It's crazy. As the speaker of the house, his testicles are in the front top drawer of the Resolute desk. He has all the power in the world and uses none of it.

12:17He's putting on a master class like all Republican men do of how to be a tradwife. And little grinder here, his, here's a video of his messages, his message to voters for the midterms. Then I want you to go off, play the clip. It's easy to promise free things to people, but there is an education component to what we're doing right now in the campaign trail. You have to explain to the generations come behind us. If the government's large enough to give you everything, it's large enough to take it away as well. And that is always every single time the outcome of experiments and socialism and communism. It never ends well. And they take away freedom and ultimately ends in suffering and death. Which is, it sounds like mac and policies ends in suffering and death. I mean, that's what, that's what it is. It's projection with these guys. I mean, that is like such a, first of all, Donald Trump is the most, if we're going by kind of legal definitions of socialism. Donald Trump is the most socialist president we ever had. I mean, even just in this comment, he's at, he's talking about sending everybody $5,000 without the power of, of Congress or any kind of legal oversight.

13:17Just wants to be able to send people money. That is socialism. And also, you know, and if you don't get socialism, you'll get kind of all of your rights taken away. That's exactly what they're doing in this country right now. Donald Trump is seizing the means of production in 35 different companies. He's taken a national stake in. You know, these people, they, they, it's entirely kind of big cook energy. I think, you know, Mike Johnson is, he gets his marching orders and he does what he's told. And this time, it's clearly socialism and Hassan Piker. It's kind of back to the, back to the well of like, how can we scapegoat and fear monger about, about people because they have nothing to run on. And you know, this $5,000 promise to me is so funny because, you know, all of us on the rational side of, of the news are watching this happen. And we know that this is ridiculous. But on Fox, there's, there's no conversation about the fact that you inject $5,000 into every single person's wallet. What does that do to inflation? Our inflation crisis that he's already, right? I rocket it. They, they want to have it both ways. They want to be able to talk about socialism and, and the democratic agenda that's caused all this inflation.

14:18And yet, they want to hand $5,000 to every single American in the country at a time when inflation is already on the rise. It's a joke. These guys, like, it is a cult following. They do what Donald Trump says. Mike Johnson gets the talking points and repeats it with, with that kind of dead weight behind his eyes. It's just nothing. I'm talking about the hypocrisy of this because I don't think the Democrats do a good enough job calling out the crazy Christian problem in the Republican Party. Mike Johnson uses his faith to Christian signal. He accuses people like you and me of virtue signaling. And I accuse him of doing something far, far worse. Christian signaling. He's using a faith that he claims he holds very dear. And in places where, like where I come from and where he comes from, Louisiana and Oklahoma, a lot of people don't have a lot of culture. And so their church is their main foundational way to socialize and experience friendships and community. And he takes that and he exploits it. And he says, well, the good Lord, you know, said, wait, get better, your Moses and all of this stuff. Meanwhile, he claims to be Titus Ticks with Jesus Christ, who was against the accumulation

15:21of wealth, radically empathetic to human suffering, incredibly welcoming to outsiders, immigrants, et cetera, et cetera. And he votes with a man that is an epicenter of a pedophile ring who was an adjudicated rapist who was banging a porn star while his wife was at home breastfeeding. And we could just go on, 34 felonies. And we could just go on and on and on and all this stuff. Who also doesn't have a shit about any of them. And nobody calls out the hypocrisy of the Republican Christianity because Democrats sometimes just don't have enough bite in it like, oh, we can't go after faith. And I'm like, well, the Republicans had no problem inserting themself into this faith. And we have to call it out. These people are complete hypocrites of the highest order. And they want to enmesh church and state. And I think most people find that crazier than what Trump is saying.

16:21I mean, I think it's crazier to be auctioning off your daughter's virginity or to be monitoring, having your son monitor your porn, or even saying that God spoke to you directly and said that your Moses calling you a disciple of God. That's just as crazy as anything Donald Trump has ever said. And we don't call it out because I think a lot of people in the Democratic Party are worried about offending Christians, are worried about kind of aligning Christians as a whole, getting put out of context on Fox News. It's absolutely crazy. And I think, you know, it's a project of what, 30, 40 years in the making within the Republican Party more than that. Exactly. Right. And the Democrats allow it to continue because they're so scared of calling it out. And that fear that Democrats operate on is what got us into this. Margaret Garland's fear that it would be bad for the country to prosecute Donald Trump and to prosecute those people in the White House. Powerfully. Yeah. And we can even take it back.

17:22And I can criticize, you know, other presidents, Barack Obama's fear. And that DOJs of investigating the lies that led to the Iraq war and the human rights violations of Abu Ghraib and waterboarding and all of that. And so there's always this fear of confronting patriarchal bad ideas. And I think we're going to have to have, and we're seeing this pop up in primaries. We're seeing candidates that aren't scared about calling that out. And the through line is they're not bought and paid for. Right. I think the other through line is kind of the rise of independent media and folks like you who are kind of like speaking to people in a way that's unfiltered through the lens of corporate media overlords that tell you what is and what is an acceptable and political debate. And so, you know, I think it's a problem that our party has had to deal with for a long time. I do think that it kind of coincides with the rise of conservative media. And I think Democrats have always been kind of beholden to, they're the only ones bound

18:24by any sense of like decorum, civility, but also like reason and logic. They're the only ones held to any kind of account in politics. And Republicans just aren't because they've always had that kind of conservative media apparatus that just spreads their shit no matter what they say. And I do think like that is that's starting to change. I think it's starting to change both with like I said, the rise of independent media, but also some of these democratic candidates that aren't, you know, bought by the corporate wing of the party that aren't going to be, you know, shut up by a pack money or things like that. And so, I think we're headed for a big change. And I think this election in particular in 2028 in particular could be a big like linchpin moment for the party to kind of change the way that we approach these issues. Because people just do not communicate like that anymore. They don't communicate through stiff ass like talking points and press releases. They don't at all. And I think that we relate to the independent media ecosystem, but it is the fastest growing thing right now. And I think it's, it's, and I want to say and I share this with my listeners a lot on the right.

19:24They're all cannibalizing each other throwing each other the best on the left. Like we're all genuine friends. Right. Want to help support each other and do podcast trades. And guess because we genuinely believe in the movement of saving democracy. But I'll go ahead. I was just going to say and it feels very reminiscent like kind of reverse rolls from 2024 or 2023 when, you know, Democrats were kind of like putting people like to a rogue in that a distance and it was like we need to stay away from these kind of toxic media figures. And now you have the right kind of afraid of the beltway media, you know, using Hassan Piker as their foil in politics to kind of paint, use him to paint the entire Democratic party. It really is reminiscent of a party that just doesn't understand how the media landscape has changed. It doesn't really understand how public opinion has changed just within the last year and a half since this. Totally. Totally. People are rejecting this like categorically. And that's happening both I think at the polls, but it's also happening in their media digest as well. I agree. Let's talk about the humiliation kink that exists among magaman and among billionaires

20:30that allow for the president to humiliate them by making them give him participation trophies in the Oval Office and all sorts of things. Well, Ken Paxton is really into humiliation kinks. And here is Trump's new bit for the candidate that he refuses to give any money to play the clip. Carrie and I said, I'm not sure if I like your look. I'm not sure if I like the way you dress. I don't like the way you talk, but you're the greatest attorney general. So therefore, that's the only thing that matters, Jerry, right? He's the best attorney general in the country. He really can't stand that guy. This is my favorite. This is my favorite thing in the midterm race right now because it's just so funny that Donald Trump sees Ken Paxton like faltering in the polls. He sees that Trump voters, magovoters do not like Ken Paxton. They don't think he can win. And his answer to that is, oh, it must just because of the way he's dressed, the way he talked. It's not the fact that he's the most corrupt politician in American history and has led

21:32Texas for decades and has achieved absolutely nothing in office was indicted by his own staff and the FBI impeached by Republicans. It's absolutely wild that that Trump has kind of picked this as the thing to get a pile on Ken Paxton about. But I think it's great because it just like it's one more wrinkle to add to the like, this guy's a fucking doof. Like Ken Paxton is a doof and I think most people think he's a doof and that's why. What's a doof? He's just like a doofist. Like a doofist. I was like a loser. He's like, you know, he's corrupt kind of grifter who steals from taxpayers and goes on trips with his mistress and like puts on $40,000 watches to go to like campaign speeches with like 20 grandmas in the middle of Texas. Like it's ridiculous watching this happen. But it's also just funny because I think Donald Trump, you know, can't help it. He can't help but just like trash this guy's appearance at a time when he's like really struggling. Let's talk about how hilarious this component is. Trump is so shallow and he's so into aesthetics and humans and in, you know, architecture,

22:38design, et cetera. Even though I would say he has a bad eye on the latter. But that Zora Maldonney who represents everything the mag of movement is terrified of, not bought and paid for attractive, Muslim, democratic socialist. And he goes, he rolls up to the White House and Trump is like, it's okay. Call me a fascist. I don't care. You want to do a big guy. And then Jack's supposed that with somebody who, Ken Paxson, who was just a mega thump or extraordinary believes in all the same corrupt shit on the planet. And Trump is so shallow. If we hooked him up to a polygraph right now and said, who do you think is a better candidate? Ken Paxson or Zora Maldonney? And you went down the list of all of the different, you know, Republicans that he's endorsing because he believes in nothing. He's a nihilist to his core and he likes Zora because Zora is attractive. Right. No, and I think he has a mega what smile.

23:38And it's that simple. That's how transact and he likes winners. Right. I think he would say the same thing about Abdul. I think he would say the same thing about a number of these. He does like kind of a light melanin. Yeah. He likes like the shouting. He's kind of hitting like, look at how hot the, was the Saudi guy who's like, look how hot this guy is. He's always talking about how hot men are. It's so funny to be like so obsessed with aesthetics when you're just like this fat swab who like dresses like shit and like wears five inch lifts in your shoes and talk about how he died his hair for a couple of days. Yeah, it was like brown. Like a different person. You know, like five days. I saw that and it's just like, saw your sometimes you and I were so in this new cycle all the time and our listeners are so in the new cycle all the time. But if you really step back from it and let's say you read the news once a week, you came across a, an article, president dies his hair to chestnut brown two days later. It's not. And then like a week before that, he was wearing a wig. Like all of that stuff is stupid and irrelevant.

24:38But this is the shit that the Republican party, if any Democrat did anything remotely like this, Allah Barack Obama's dancing. It is stage five melt down the hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer. And this is where I think in order to defeat these people, we need people in the party that talk about big ideas, people. But we also need people that really aim lower and speak the language that these people do because they have injected this MAGA toxic masculinity, rot into the culture. And we need to do reputational brand damage to that. And that movement is worshipping, in my opinion, probably a bisexual man who's in his deathbed confession era, who thirst traps over other men all the time. I mean, it's like, it's Trump's like 101, right? This man has always been obsessed with aesthetics. He's always been obsessed with charisma. I do think the Democratic party, like we could take some of these lessons.

25:40Like I think the ideas are always going to be what leads. They're always going to be what actually resonates, what builds a movement, what elects Democrats. That is what's most important. But I think it's got to be wrapped in a charismatic, personable, you know, telogenic bubble in some of these candidates. And I think, you know, this cycle, Democrats are learning that lesson better than ever before. I mean, not just, you know, obviously Zoran is one of them, but also, you know, Abdul, you have Asaf, you have guys like Rob San in Iowa, like very handy. He was a model once upon a time. You know, I think Democrats are picking candidates up and down the ballot this cycle who not only like have the policies that are resonating populists in the agenda that kind of speak to the working class troubles, you know, speaks to the affordability crisis, but also are doing so with excellent communicators, people who look good on TV, who can go on any podcast and show up and perform, can go on any TV show and show up and perform, can speak to anybody about any issue. That is like a prerequisite for Democratic candidates these days. It has to be because otherwise, we can't compete because Republican candidates can do

26:43that. So, they are artists. They are absolute, you know, corrupt, morally bankrupt people, but they can go anywhere and talk about anything because they have this conservative media bubble. We just have to step up. We have to have better people. I agree. And we have to do a lot of the fighting for them because the right wing media ecosystem does a lot of the fight in that reputational brain damage at the Democratic Party is done by them. And I think we need to do that to Republicans. But you mentioned Hassan a couple of times. And Fox News cannot stop talking about, you know, because I have a personal theory. They are all super horny. Yeah. All they're talking about is how hot all these liberal candidates are. So pop this up. If you want to see how obsessed Fox News is with Hassan, look at this. According to archive.org, Fox News, Fox Business has mentioned Hassan the Hun across 398 broadcasts in August. That is a higher monthly total across those channels than either transgender mentions or illegal immigration mentions. And you know when they are tabling the imaginary trans sports issue and talking about Hassan,

27:52I think they're leading with the hormones over there. That's what I think. I think to the Fox producers watching the show say hi, Sawyer. They watch. They watch. Yeah, they'll probably cut this. Well, they broke Grindr over the weekend. I mean, I think they put on Hassan on the on the big screen and Grindr shut down like a couple hours later. So I mean, and that seems to, you know, I am not track this as closely as others, but Grindr outages have tended to track Republican gatherings like over many, many years. Public and funerals, yeah. Public and funerals. But you know, I think that that's extremely telling. I think clearly they have looked at some polling showing that like they can, you know, Hassan's views are somewhat toxic within whatever kind of coalition that they're trying to win over. And so they got the marching orders. I mean, Fox got the marching orders. The entire Republican apparatus got the marching orders that they need to be talking about Hassan. It's not going to work. First of all, the vast majority of people have no idea who that is. Have no idea who Son Baker is. I mean, even a vast majority of Democrats don't know who Son Baker is. We, of course, he is a massive media figure and like is speaking to, I think, a very kind

28:57of disillusioned tends to be younger, less politically engaged, but interested audience. That's in very, very important audience. I think listeners are. My son. Engaged as following, but I don't think that they have been engaged in the actual like party politics. I don't think that they're consistent voters cycle after cycle, which is a good thing. Like those are audiences we absolutely need to be reaching. They clearly looked at something and decided that that was going to be the target, but it's not going to work because again, most people don't know who Son Baker is. I think vast majority of voters don't find this kind of like cancel culture rally around a media figure, paint them as the enemy strategy as resonating with them whatsoever. And more so than any of that, it's just like the affordability crisis crowds out all of this. And as long as they're having to worry about groceries and gas prices, they don't give a fuck about his son, Piker. They don't give a shit about a YouTuber at all. And so I think it's going to, I think it's a failed strategy. I think the socialism element is a failed strategy that you really have nothing to run on. They don't. And I think the stuff with Hassan started during the mayoral race in Newark.

30:01Andrew Cuomo was standing on stage debating Zoran. And he said, he won't condemn Hassan Piker. And he was trying to make Hassan Piker like a kitchen table issue in the New York city mayoral race. And he had a, he did a rally and he had a poster board of Hassan Piker up. And since then, Hassan's gotten much, much more mainstream. But at the time, I remember, because I'm friends with Hassan, he was like, can you imagine all the people that are Googling me now that are like, why is Andrew Cuomo? I, my thought on this is that the, there are forces in the Democratic Party. And this people that wanted Andrew Cuomo, a person who ran twice against Zoran and lost. Well, what did Andrew Cuomo have on what is Zoran had? Andrew Cuomo will prostitute himself. 100% will be a whore for rich people. Right. Zoran said, I am not going to earn my money on my back. Andrew, I'm going to go out and work for the people.

31:01Hassan's message is much more union oriented, worker oriented, everybody getting healthcare. It is a message that does not be holding to the same entities. And then you pile on the fact that Jonathan Greenblatt at the ADL has had a bee in his bonnet about Hassan for a very long time because they realized when they genocided Palestine that it wasn't popular. So they wanted to blame TikTok. And so then Larry Ellis invites up TikTok. And then they want to blame the Twitch streamer. And so they have been trying to go after him since I think that Andrew Cuomo defeat, double defeat. And it continues and it continues. And when you have an organization like Thirdway, who says we're going to spend millions of dollars trying to cancel Hassan instead of defeating fascism, it confirms Hassan Piker's point that he says to your words not mine, his dissolutions listeners that there is a uniparty,

32:03that they're all fighting to keep all the corporations protected. So all of these people are actually confirming the rhetoric or the stances that Hassan takes in his stream. And I think it's going to backfire spectacularly in Ardeas. I mean, the Democrats condemning him is absolutely crazy because it's just a misunderstanding of how like communications works. I mean, a hand edition. Right. In addition, I mean, this is just like you are handing, like you're putting Hassan on a pedestal and elevating him to a level of God's status within the Democratic coalition every single time you can dem him. And that's why I think it was such a mistake when those kind of, you know, members of Congress that think it was, they were signed on to a letter condemning him recently over comments about 9-11 or something like that. It's just a misunderstanding of how media works these days. And like, you know, that's a classic strat. I've been in communications my entire life. Like I've worked on five or six different campaigns, presidential and Senate campaigns and House campaigns. I've worked intimately with politicians over the years.

33:04The strategy of like picking a media figure that somebody is close with and maligning them and then painting, painting all of their views onto that candidate. That's a tale as old as time. It's always existed. But I think, you know, and I think it would be wise for some of these candidates not necessarily to bring, bring these people into their campaigns as much. It's one thing to go on Hassan's show. It's, I think it's always smart to reach an audience that that's winnable. And that is a winnable audience. And it's an audience we desperately need to be reaching. It's another thing when you bring them on the campaign trail and you do kind of get painted with some of their views. And I think, you know, maybe candidates will think twice about just kind of who they add as kind of a megaphone voice behind their campaigns. If Abdel wins. Sure. And here's the thing that I want to say that Abdel did is he brought on Hassan because he was aware the same way that Trump was in 2016, that there is a media ecosystem out there of people that corporate media and status quo politics weren't reaching. Right.

34:04And Donald Trump was abundantly aware of that. Fox hated him. The RNC hated him. All the Republicans hated him. He knew there was an anti-status quo contingency out there. And I think that that was brilliant on his party's pathological liar narcissists, not job, all of that. I think likewise, Abdel El Sayed knew that, okay, there is a whole world of voters out there that are on the sofa. I don't want to try to get Republicans to vote for me. I want to get new voters. And that's what Trump did in 2016 and in 2024. So getting Hassan, then because Hassan's super, super popular with the people who know who he is, they came to those rallies. So all of a sudden he had the optics of having a full rally. So I don't know that I completely buy into the fact that it's bad to take somebody on your campaign trail with you because the MAGA movement has been like, we get to do whatever we want.

35:04Consequences be damned. Democrats always start going, okay, we can do this, but we can't do that. We can do this and the caution comes in again. And if Abdul Wens, I think Abdel can say, this is what I believe in. It's what his listeners believed in. And blah, blah, blah. I don't know that it's that bad that he took him. So back to, it comes, it kind of comes back to the original question we were talking about, which is Fox News and like they have this media apparatus that is a propaganda machine for them. We don't have that. And so we still do in the media environment is changing, but we still do rely very heavily on traditional legacy media to try to disseminate our message. Exactly right. And the problem is is like everything comes out in the wash with Democrats and their political gravity comes for everybody in traditional media. And it's one thing that you could go on a song show five or six times. You can speak to that audience as much as you want. You can have Hassan hosting his own events for your campaign. But the second you put him on stage with you, political gravity, it weighs down on him. And it's like, you know, what was a guy, Tony Hinchcliffe? He's a comedian. Usually comedians can pretty much say whatever they want about politics and get away with it. It's just the rule of the road.

36:05He steps behind a Trump podium and makes a joke about Puerto Rico, all of a sudden, that is a national frenzy to issue. And it's just, it's the consequences of bringing somebody that close to your orbit. It's that political gravity is unchanging when it comes to legacy media. And that is not unfortunately going to be changeable until that media landscape has completely folded. Yeah. No. Good points. All right. And then lastly to close this out, the bunny boiler, that's Natalie Harp, obviously. Do you know the movie fatal attraction for these? I haven't seen it actually. It's really good. Anyway, this is a crazy lady. She's obsessed with a man. But the bunny boiler, her posts are reaching a new level of insanity. And we know that the posts are actually Trump's posts, but also the bunny boiler's posts. Pop this stuff. Peter Baker says 60 posts in 10 hours. Yeah. Picture. Raditat of ever wilder, ever more outrageous social media images each weekend has become a fixture of Trump's second term seen more and more as a barometer of his mental state.

37:11And I'm so tired of living in a country where the media, the industry titans, the Republican leaders, the Democratic leaders aren't standing outside the White House. And we need to impeach this him effort right now. He is batshit crazy that they have just normalized that crazy shit that he and the bunny boiler post. Yeah. And I mean, I think his transition over to truth social has really kind of buried the insanity from a lot of our feeds. And I think in the first term, the Trump tweets were everywhere and you couldn't escape them. They were all over cable. Now he'll tweet a screed of AI Slop about him murdering people or changing the name of countries. And nobody cares. The traditional media doesn't care. They don't cover it. And I think it kind of comes back to that question about, you know, Mike, whatever is in it, Mike Johnson, it's kind of this cult following that they have. And she's one of them. I mean, like, talk about insane. Like, she believes that God put Donald Trump in her path and saved his life.

38:14And now she's, you know, culturally devoted to him and like spends all of her time chasing after his motorcade and sleeping in the locker room to be closer to him. And I think that's like as crazy as that sounds. That's the average Trump voter. Yeah. And we have to be really on that. They believe that this man is their imperfect vessel and that he was put on this earth, even though he's done all these horrible fucking things. God was like, this is my imperfect vessel, even though I'm capable of making a perfect one. And he's believed that his whole life. So like, and they think that he's going to make America a Christian nation. And Natalie Harp is crazy. As she seems to us, I will say is the average Trump voter. Yeah. I mean, when Trump was considering running him, you know, there was that famous quote about like, I couldn't run as a Democrat. I'd have to run as a Republican because they're a bunch of robes. It's like he knew that like he could find this cultish following within their Republican party as long as he sang their tune. Like they would come along for the ride. And he's believed that he's this kind of messianic notable figure of history, his entire

39:19life. And so once he's built this kind of political following that is so culturally allegiance to him, you know, 30 to 35% of the country that just will never leave him. He was right when he said he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and they wouldn't walk away from him. Fox News wouldn't walk away from him. I don't think. And so like, you know, it only accelerates. You know, the first term, he had all these people around him who were kind of guard rails around some of the more crazy shit that he was doing. Now he just has people who amplify it times 10. And I think Natalie is the perfect case study of that. And like I was thinking this morning as you shared those some of those topics, it's like, what is to stop him from like going bananas and like dropping a new, get the end of his administration? What's to stop him from? Nothing. Like is it is Susie Wiles and Dan Cain are holding this back? Mike Johnson is holding us back from like utter destruction at the same time. AI is like, you know, going rogue and trying to hack each other and create biological weapons that like this is the man we're putting in charge of all of that. I mean, like that's how important these midterms are.

40:19It's just like right now there is no check on him. We saw that the Supreme Court essentially said he can do crimes and get away with it. That's what the president can do. He has a cult following in staff. He has a cult following in Congress. It's like there is no check on him right now. And like if we come to the end of his term and that check is not there, I just, there's nothing that can stop him from just destroy burning the country. Like he is perfectly fine burning the country to the ground as long as he can be president of the ashes. You're exactly right. So I've enjoyed this so much. Thank you for trekking up to New York to do it in person and I hope to have you back Sam. Yeah, thanks for having me. Oh wait, wait, tell everybody how to find you. I'm on, you know, Instagram, TikTok, threads, all the things that at Sawyer Hackett, I do a little bit of cooking content, a little bit of direct-to-camera stuff. So go check it out. All right. Thank you. Thanks.