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Trump's construction projects are transforming the capital

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President Trump is transforming Washington. New York Magazine's Ben Terris says the ballroom, the planned arch and other changes are an attempt to achieve "architectural immortality."

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Trump's construction projects are transforming the capital

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Several key areas have defined President Trump's second term so far overseas wars immigration enforcement tariffs and also Remaking Washington we have an unbelievable mark That I think will be the most beautiful in the world you end up with a beautiful beautiful reflecting pool the way it's supposed to be Much better than ever was actually. I'm good at ballrooms And we're giving you the I believe it's the best it would be the best ever built since President Trump returned To office his administration has made changes to more than one hundred structures across Washington That tally is according to a recent New York magazine story by a reporter who sat down with the president and came away with the conclusion There is nothing Trump enjoys more than talking construction Benteris is New York magazine's Washington correspondent hey, Ben. Hey, how you doing? So you sat down to talk construction face-to-face with President Trump and what's more than that when you were talking to him in the Oval Office He decided to take you on an impromptu tour of the ballroom construction site tell me what happened next

Yeah, that's right Honestly, it felt a little bit like I was giving him the best day of his presidency You know people come in there and they want to talk to him about War they want to talk about tariffs and he keeps trying to bring the conversation to the ballroom because it's his favorite topic And I went in there just wanting to talk about the ballroom and other construction projects and So well, I thought I was going to get 15 20 minutes with him I ended up getting about an hour and a half 45 minutes in the Oval Office and then he said hey, you want to come check out the ballroom and all the renovations I've done around the White House and I said yeah, let's do it So we toured around and we saw pretty much every little nook and cranny of the place that he's been changing There's a lot to talk about there But one specific thing I wanted to ask about is do you remember anything new about one of the big mysteries of this This the the underground military bunker. That's that's part of the ballroom construction Well, I asked him if there was currently one because you know he obviously tore down the east wing and Turned it into a construction site and is now saying that one of the main reasons he wants to do that is because he wants to Have a military bunker that can protect him in the case of nuclear war or

Put a hospital down there all sorts of things like that the military supposedly wants I asked him if he currently had a bunker that he could get to I mean as the president safe right now I wanted to know and he said yeah, but it's basically like it's bad You know who wants to go down to the one that it's just a little room somewhere the White House is too fragile to build anything Kind of expansive underneath and so he says that when he started talking about the ballroom members of the military came to him And said look we've been wanting to do this big project this kind of secret project under the White House forever But we've never had the opportunity. You're giving us the opportunity Let us build something you know remarkable down there a luxury bunker. Yeah, basically You didn't just talk to Trump and I think this is one of the more more interesting parts of the story You talk to a lot of people in his orbit about what's driving this because it's not just the ballroom It's as we mentioned the Kennedy Center the Rose Garden this arch the reflecting pool What do the people around him think is driving this Well, there's a lot of things right. I mean first of all he just likes it He's a builder by trade, you know came up in real estate This is him going back to his roots

People in his inner circle have told me that it's like knitting for him It's something that relaxes him while he's doing other things somebody told me it was like exercise for him Somebody said it was like Winston Churchill painting during World War II I mean they speak of him and in these kind of lofty terms like that he told me it relaxes him But I guess the relaxing personal projects are personal projects These are things that affect landmarks that the whole country looks to Yeah, and more than that it takes up a lot of his mind share right? Yeah, sure they can say that When he is doing this he can do other things but every time he had somebody told me that every time He wants to have a half hour long conversation to get easily taken hour and a half because he wants to bring everything else up The president's time is valuable He is spending a lot of his time and a lot of his thinking on Tree Heights and Parks and granite that he's going to use for walkways and the marble that he's going to use On the floor of the ballroom. I mean he's very interested in the concrete that's going to be used for the ballroom You know, I asked him are you worried at all about Democrats tearing this down If they take power in 2028 and he basically told me I'd like to see them try

He said this is going to be built with nuclear concrete. That's what he told me concrete They could withstand a nuclear blast He said if a Democrat came with a jackhammer and spent two days jackhammering the same spot on a column It wouldn't leave a mark You know, he's trying to cement his legacy literally And he's trying to build something that will withstand the test of time if if he passes legislation if he signs Executive orders these things can get rolled back. He's trying to make something that nobody can take away from him I'm curious what you think at the end of your reporting on this about the political risk here The cost of living is a top concern for voters inflation is a top concern for voters and he is Rolling out blueprints of these these luxury sites and talking about the parties He's going to throw there any sense that anyone in the White House if not the president is worried about politics of this Yeah, I talked to Trump advisors who said that he's been warned about this. He just doesn't really care You know the politics are bad Most Americans do not like this project the ballroom or the the arch or the reflecting pool. They just don't like it You know as you said cost of living is high

He's building this thing that's kind of in the Image of Versailles, you know, he's building a palace-like structure here and people are worried about You know the price of gasoline and so it really is not a good look But he just doesn't care. I mean he says that the people should be thanking him for this He believes that he's restoring glory to the White House And he really is is is thinking a lot about his own legacy You know, there's this kind of famous viral moment where Senator John Assoff from from Georgia A couple months ago said that that Donald Trump is building monuments for himself because he doesn't think anybody's gonna do it when he's gone And I asked the president about that expecting him to dodge and he said yeah, that's right Nobody else will do it when I'm gone. Nobody else will do it So he clearly is thinking about What he's leaving behind, you know, if and when he leaves the White House That is Ben Terrace Washington correspondent for New York magazine Ben thanks for talking to us about yet another Interesting oval office interview you had with President Trump. Thanks so much for having me

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