**UPDATE** Killer Mom Trial: Day 7 Of Deliberations Set For Friday, But First, An Inquiry Into Juror Defense Wants Removed

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4:11trial. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Roads, it has been a fascinating past couple of hours in this case. Ups and downs, twists, turns, yelling, throwing, slamming, confusion. But the bottom line is this jury ain't done yet. No, and we don't know where they stand. We know that perhaps it's 11 against one based on following the judges' instructions. But that does not mean it's necessarily 11 against one on a verdict decision. Now, we keep saying that. And people are piecing together, but we don't know that. People are piecing it together and making assumptions and what not. 11 and ones being thrown around. And it could very well be. But we don't know and we're not supposed to know. We're not, you're legally not supposed to know and be able to pull what is going on. And Reddington said that. So I caution everybody. And we want to go with that and you're going with that assumption that you assume is 11 to one. Well, no, it's just that we only know that it's 11 against one based on the fact that

5:17the judge reiterated what Reddington said that one juror is unwilling to actually follow the judges' instructions on reasonable doubt. We don't know if they're 11 to one on which verdict they're choosing. It's just 11 to one on that instruction specifically. So folks, they just sent the jury home. They just went home for the night. Again, they got Friday, Friday before a holiday weekend. Day seven now, they got this case a week ago today. And now they will go to a day seven of deliberations. Please update me on the hour room. It's I believe I actually heard a very specific deliberation clock time of 36 hours and 22 minutes. You all they are knocking on the door now of some really extraordinary debate, excuse me, deliberation time. So yeah, Rose, we wondered what would happen after the drama.

6:17If you've heard our last episode, please check it out. But we'll just pick up their roles. We didn't know how long this jury might spend the last 30 minutes to know if they come back and say anything and sure enough, they went back in their 30 minutes after all that drama came out. He sent them home. They're back at 9 a.m. However, Robes, that's what he said in court. We just got something else from Kevin Reddington as he was leaving court. That's right. We just watched a mob basically swarm Kevin Reddington as we expected. We've seen it each day, but today was by far the most, I don't know, the largest and the most aggressive journalist crowds surrounding Kevin Reddington. He refuses to go to podium. He said that before kind of jokingly, I don't do podiums. But this is one where he really needed to stop in a podium. You had actually people falling journalists and whatnot with the cameras. We saw someone look like they were having a medical emergency almost came out of that scrum. Yeah, we had someone first initially say, somebody's down. Then we kept hearing people say, ow, it was cameraman reporters, photographers,

7:21all getting just actually seemingly hurt in some cases in this scuffle. And yes, at the end, somebody actually had to go down and look like they were about to faint. That's how crazy this situation was. But we heard Kevin Reddington say that tomorrow at 9 AM when the jury comes back, there's going to be something that takes place in open court that we were not expecting. He said there's going to be an inquiry. Now, this is not something the judge said in open court. However, Kevin Reddington was he supposed to say it or not. Don't know, but he has come out. He told it was the first thing he explained to reporters. And 9 AM tomorrow when they come back for the jury deliberations, there will be an inquiry. He hopes it will be an open court with this juror in particular. Said it could be a sidebar, but he hoping it's an open court to deal with this matter. So ropes is not resolved at least according to him. Yeah, and he said the juror has been identified. Because up until now, look, we watched the judge bring in each juror,

8:25including all the alternates one by one. Have them taken oath. Ask them a question. We basically understand that the question was something to the effect of, can you follow my instructions? And if they said yes under oath, he sent them to be seated. And he did this with every single juror. So we don't know at least we didn't know which juror is the one who's being accused by the four person of not being willing to follow the judge's instructions. But if this particular juror who has, according to Kevin Reddington, then identified, singled out, brought into open court and questioned. That seems like something, I mean, that's something I've never seen before, but it seems unprecedented because now that juror is going to be known by everyone in that court room as the juror who is reportedly being unreasonable. I don't know how this works legally, but it seems wrong. This seems wrong. It seems like this person is being pressured.

9:27Like a lot of people, depending on where you are on this case, will say you are in favor of this juror because they are holding firm or you're annoyed with this juror because they're holding firm. Well, they're holding things up. Well, again, both ways, you're annoyed because they're holding firm or you're loving them because they're holding firm. I'm saying, for either side, you have a reason, possibly, to be in favor of this person. That this person is now being pressured, it seems. Here's the instruction again. They're not following your instructions. It seems like justice is only when this person is coerced into changing their mind with the majority. It's how it feels. It's how it's coming off and it's why people have a problem with the dynamite charge. Because right now, ropes, all the debate and stuff we're hearing on TV are, well, maybe this person just doesn't understand. Well, maybe they're a little slower. I mean, even suggesting not of greater intelligence and this thing to be explained to them again, this idea that you just need to get on board with the others

10:28and what the others are doing. Well, we don't know, obviously, what happened in those deliberation room. In that deliberation room. And we're not supposed to know. And we understand that. But I was imagining a scenario for the four person to have to come and pass a note to the judge saying, there is a juror who is refusing to follow your instructions on reasonable doubt. Could this juror have basically said in deliberations, I know what the judge said, but that's not what I'm going to base it on. Like, maybe this juror expressed to the other jurors that they realize they're being unreasonable. Or they realize that technically they're not following the instructions. But they don't care because they want it the way they want it. We don't know what that juror said to prompt that note being passed to the judge. Just mistrial time. Prove this is now this, it just feels and he wants a motion to remove this person. Okay, you put somebody else on that maybe is on your side or is in favor.

11:29And now you remove somebody who was who was fight who had their belief for whatever it may be and the others, the majority made a determination. And no, you're not doing it right. You're not doing it right. So we're going to go tell on you and possibly get you removed or wrote something about that doesn't feel just because if you're that defendant and that one person as a whole that is going to keep you out of prison, you'd be pissed that this was going on. So it just depends on what side you're on, but it feels wrong that it just, it feels, I know it's our system and everything has been done on the up and up in its legal. Something about like pressure on this person now. It feels like every single legal analyst who we have watched witness what's happening in that courtroom. No one really knows what to think or say. This is all very highly unusual. This is not something we see very often, but Kevin Reddington says he wants all of it in open court. He doesn't want things inside bar. He wants it to be known in public.

12:30But I'm not sure because then someone asked him in that scuffle and that scrum, do you want a mistrial? And he very, very quickly said, why would I want a mistrial? We kicked the shit out of their case. I don't want a mistrial. He was fired up in every way today. So just a regular day for him is what that is for Kevin Reddington. This is extraordinary stuff. So what is it we can expect tomorrow and what does it mean now because we are up against yes, a holiday weekend? This message is sponsored by Regeneron and Santa Fe. Janokramer does not have direct experience with the product advertised. As the mother of a child who has eczema, I know how hard it is to watch your child struggle. It's frustrating trying everything from home remedies to topical prescription creams. But when you're a mom, you never stop trying. If you feel like your child's moderate to severe eczema is an under control with topical prescription therapies, it could be time to ask

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16:38the diffuser itself looks like something you'd intentionally put on a shelf. It's a modern design object that happens to change the atmosphere of your home. If you're thoughtful about how your space feels, take a look at pura. Choose your sense of place at pura.com. That's pura.com. These days, there are more people than ever telling you how to manage your health. And we've all gone down an internet rabbit hole exploring the latest health trends. Your social media feed is packed with wellness advice telling you to cold plunge protein max detox, track your sleep. But what's actually real? What's exaggerated? What's just wrong? That's exactly what health versus hype from the American Medical Association and I Heart Media's Ruby Studio is here to find out. Each episode, Emmy nominated science communicator Trace Dominguez, who's racked up billions of views across PBS, Discovery Channel and YouTube talks to health influencers, real people, and most importantly,

17:41doctors to separate fact from fiction. Because when it comes to your health, who you listen to matters? Listen to health versus hype on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back everyone to Amy and DJ. We are following all of the events inside that courtroom in Massachusetts. And certainly what just happened outside of the courtroom because Kevin Reddington just walked out after a very fiery exchange with the judge in open court. And he claims there is more to come in the morning. And it's beyond just the jury returning to deliberations when court ended. Yes, we heard the judge say, well, like you back here at 9 a.m., where deliberations are going to continue. But we just heard from Reddington that they may not begin those deliberations right away. So yes, we now have something ropes already in the morning to look forward to in terms of drama.

18:44Look, every morning, they're just supposed to say, hey, welcome. Go back and deliberate. And we wait. And it just hasn't been the case on any of these mornings. This was one of the, this might be the only one. Robs that started with them just coming in. Good morning. Go deliberate. And they kind of did it on time. And then the day becomes this. Robs, we've seen this plenty of times over our careers. We've seen it even recently becoming up against a holiday weekend. What is this group going to do? What plans do they have? Never thought we'd get to this. But does that have an impact on their deliberations now? And Robs, if they remove this juror, if there's an inquiry like they say, God forbid, this person gets removed, Robs, I have to start deliberating over again. If that's not something they're going to be able to do quickly, what the new person comes on and say, how are you guys voting? You know what? That's how I feel too. Let's get on out of here. It's not supposed to work that way. What if it does? Will there be a miscarriage of justice? Again, Robs, it just is the system, but something feels

19:50wrong about that. That let's get the person off this, not with us. And let's get somebody else in here who will vote the way we want. And let's just say this person is, you know, not falling to judges instructions. What's what if that person is convicted? What if they just said something wrong, but it is their conviction? How they want to vote? That's the way the system is supposed to. I'm supposed to possibly have somebody in there, even if it's one. If they're on my side, then damn it. That's not the way it's supposed to go. Even if it's one, baby, that is what our system allows. This is fascinating. So what could happen tomorrow? So the juror could remain, the deadlock could continue and we could end up with a mistrial. The jury, the juror could go back and could finally decide to go ahead and go with the majority and we get a verdict or the juror could be

20:50removed and a new juror, one of the alternates, could be put in place and then deliberations would continue. And then what if they don't reach a verdict, they could keep deliberating into Tuesday, because obviously they would have the weekend and Monday's Labor Day off. So there are basically four different scenarios that could take place. Is that how many we could be at? Because it really, at this point, I wouldn't even dare to guess what could possibly happen tomorrow. I actually thought today, obviously today, we're either going to have a verdict or a mistrial. Never in my wildest dreams could I have predicted what we actually saw happen and occur today in that courtroom. This is fascinating and look, it was a complicated trial, it was a controversial trial, it was a heartbreaking trial and it was drama filled. So why would we expect a short, a quick deliberation? Why would we expect a drama-free deliberation? This is what the country is going

21:52through, ropes, seven days of deliberation. That is about right. That's exactly what the country is going through in all of our conversations and all of our back and forth and trying to I don't know, reconcile how we move forward when all of us have different views. Not just different views, ropes, diametrically opposed views of what to do with this lady. Yeah, if you ever just want to get a taste of where America is on this, if you watch any of these live feeds, court TV is the one that has the comments rolling right. I just happen to watch a few of them come through, it is remarkable how entrenched people are in their beliefs, in their position on what the verdict should be and I worry, whatever outcome happens in that courtroom, whether we find it out tomorrow or Tuesday, I worry about public reaction to the verdict. I think these jurors have every reason

22:53to be concerned about their names, their identities being released in some way, shape or form, and certainly this one juror who has now been singled out. We don't know their name, we don't know anything about them nor should we. But, obviously, there's a fear that that identity would somehow be known or be released. I just, the tension is just so high right now. I'm deeply concerned for people's safety. I mean, look, just even seeing what happened with members of the media trying to get a microphone or a camera close to Kevin Reddington, people were being injured and possibly suffering issues, medical issues, just trying to get close to Kevin Reddington, that speaks to the intensity and the passion surrounding this case. Keep an eye on it tomorrow, folks. We certainly will be. Please keep an eye on our feed because, yes, 9 a.m., they're back for deliberations, but there is some business very serious business to tend to that could have an impact on deliberations moving forward.

23:57Hell of a day, we appreciate you as always sticking with us. Keep an eye on the feed. We are keeping an eye on that courtroom. We always appreciate you. I'm TJ. That's Rose. We'll talk soon. We manage work, kids, appointments, bills, basically, we keep everything moving. So, if someone steals our identity, the last thing we need is another full-time job filling out forms and chasing down accounts. I mean, it can take months to restore ID theft on your own. So, what can you do? You get life lock. Life locks, restoration specialists will do the hard work for you because life lock truly protects your time, your name and your identity. Get life lock at lifelock.com and use promo code Amy for up to 30% off your first year. That's life lock.com code Amy. Hey, TJ, I have something that might get your attention. Well, just saying that, obviously, you got my attention. All right,

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