UPDATE: Laura Sweetman

Happy Friday crime junkies, I feel like someone down at the Maricopa County Sheriff's

Office might have listened to our most recent episode.

Or maybe the timing is just a crazy coincidence.

But a couple of hours ago, this Friday, the Sheriff's Office finally fulfilled our records

request and got us the audio from Dave and Laura Sweetman's domestic violence incident.

And I want to do something a little out of the ordinary.

While this episode is still top of mind for everyone, I want to share it with you.

There are three things that you're going to be hearing and I'm going to pop in between

each.

First, I'm going to play for you sound from the body cam footage of a deputy responding

to Laura's call that she made to the Sheriff's Office.

Then I'm going to play you the entire audio file that she turned over to them of the incident

that she was reporting.

This is the almost hour and a half long recording she has of her and Dave inside their house

when she says he refused to let her leave.

And then I'm going to play you some audio from when the deputy arrested and questioned

Dave.

This audio answers so many questions and brings up a million more.

And I think for those of you who have been in a volatile or abusive relationship, this

audio is going to hit home in a hard way.

But it is important to hear because these are some of Laura's last recorded words before

she died later the same year that this was reported.

So first, here is the deputy's interaction with Laura.

It has been edited for clarity.

Hello.

Hi.

Food Laura.

I was going to tell her where my kids are.

Okay.

I'm letting you know.

How are you?

I'm okay.

I'm okay.

I'm okay.

I'm okay.

I'm okay.

I'm okay.

I'm okay.

I'm okay.

How are you?

I'm okay.

Not injured or anything?

No.

Okay.

Do you want me to start on the sketch?

Okay.

So recently I discovered that my husband has another family.

And so over the past few weeks I've gotten ready to get divorced and he was at the

home this weekend.

So I moved to my things out of the house.

And then he was with two of the kids.

So when he got back, I took...

I told him I was taking my kids to Walmart really quick and I just took the kids to a friend's

house and I went back to talk to him that I was leaving.

But while I was gone, he must have figured that out and seen that enough things were missing

from the house.

He wasn't inside.

And I was looking for him so I decided to try to leave.

And so I had my car parked ready to go out on the street.

And I knew there was going to be an altercation with him because that's his load of action.

But I ran into him like when I was coming out the garage door and he grabbed me by the shirt

and shoved me back in the house.

And the shirt that you have on?

And so then he proceeded to argue for about an hour and twenty minutes and I tried to get

out of the house three times and he grabbed onto my neck.

Do you have any marks?

I don't have any marks on him.

And then he had made threats during the conversation that neither of us was getting out of the

saliva that he would kill me.

He would kill himself.

He did a retract that he would kill me and only kill himself.

Like you said, and I have recorded this because I knew this was going to happen.

That he had a gun upstairs.

Have you seen any weapons?

Yeah, I've seen three weapons.

Look, the kind of weapon really?

There's a gun that looks probably like a nine-millimeter or something, a silver one.

I looked for it yesterday so I could get rid of it, but I couldn't find it.

There's a shotgun, but that isn't low.

It's probably not even out of the box or loaded, but the nine-millimeter probably is loaded

wherever it is.

And then there's in the garage, but not in the house.

There's another gun that looks like a semi-automatic.

It looks like a hundred years old.

I don't know if it has any.

And then basically he went through the whole for an hour telling me that he loved me.

He wanted to find a way to mark this workout.

And then after he realized that it wasn't, he basically just was telling me that I needed to get the kids back.

I told him that the kids were with the police because he knows I have top friends.

And then he allowed me a minute to make a phone call to my friends to have them bring the kids back, but instead I ran.

Okay.

And I came here.

How many kids do you have in common?

Three.

Were they there when this was going on?

No.

I had taken them earlier when I were with the friends.

Okay, how long have you been married?

Two years.

Okay.

Now when you say here's a whole nother family, like that for me.

Basically he had an affair with a woman and she had a child in common.

And I don't know what the extent of the relationship is with her.

You know how old that child is?

I think the kid is almost like trying to find something.

Do you know her name or where she lives?

Yeah, I have all that information in the car.

Okay.

Do you think he would follow through on any of his threats?

Yes.

And how often have things like this happen between the two of you?

I would say early in our marriage we would have altercations but never with police involvement.

Has he ever been arrested for anything?

Yeah.

He has one arrested for assault a few years ago.

And who did he assault?

I don't know.

I just discovered this in my recent investigative bivers.

Okay.

What's his full name?

David.

Michael.

Sweetlin.

Was anybody else present running on this with one on?

As you said you had some of it recorded.

I have the card in the whole thing.

Do you mind if I take a copy of the reporting off of there?

Sure.

I'm just going to put it on my computer and just copy real quick so you can be able to have this back.

Don't tell me if you say I got it.

Have you thought about getting an order of protection against him yet?

I don't have one but I thought about it.

Are you going to go do that?

I think so.

Is this possible?

Okay.

Do you think I'm going to have any problems when I go over there with him?

Yes.

What kind of problem do you think it will have?

He's gone from the house and he's very angry and he doesn't back down.

Okay.

And he's already said 50 times he's willing to kill himself.

Okay.

So you're definitely going to have a problem if he's there.

Well, Sherry told me I was going to have to go to the house.

So Sherry just sets you up.

I've got a problem.

I don't mind.

I'm afraid he's going to hurt himself.

Should you have three kids in common?

How are they?

I'm there.

I said I didn't eat.

I just thought they were all safe right now.

Okay.

Now, would you be willing to go and testify against him in court?

Or is this something that you might be fearful of?

I will be fearful right now.

Okay.

Well, if he's there, he's most likely going to go to jail tonight.

There's a little something that we take lightly when he threatens to kill you and himself.

No, I mean, I'm afraid.

I'm afraid I feel like my whole life is ruined right now because he's going to be after him.

Okay.

And also, let my detectives know that I have your address redacted from our report if you think he's going to make me chase him down.

Mind me, yes.

He gets out.

Do you think they rest and they'll just keep him until the morning?

Well, it's a DV charge, so he has to see a judge.

And, unfortunately, the threats right now only fall under misdemeanors, so there's a high probability that he'll be released.

But they'll give you a phone call before they do that so you know.

Will you update me later or will I know what's going on?

I'm giving you a call if I, if he's there, when I get there, taking him jail, just so you're kept in the loop tonight.

Do you have a card?

I will give, I don't want to fill a little more paper.

We now understand that Laura's friend, who was a cop in another jurisdiction, gave her some kind of recording device to capture this interaction.

It's why the audio you're about to hear is so clear.

I'm going to play this audio in full as it was given to us.

The only part I'm taking out is a moment where Dave shares something personal with his wife.

I can't verify the claims that he's making.

And I'm going to let you know where that part is in the clip just so you're super clear.

Now, listen with care.

Where are you?

Are you in the bathroom?

David.

Damn it.

Where are you?

Where are the kids?

No.

No.

No, we're going to go talk.

No, we're going to go talk.

This isn't right.

We're going to go talk.

You're right.

You're right.

It's not right.

I'm fucked up.

I understand.

You're right.

I'm fucked up.

I understand.

Okay, you have another family.

No, I don't have a family.

I don't have another family.

I don't have another family.

Okay.

I've made mistakes.

I agree.

I am fucked up.

I have tried to fix my problems.

Okay.

I really fucking have.

Okay.

I have to take responsibility for another kid.

I understand that.

Okay.

I have to fucking do that.

Can you just let me go?

No.

I don't know because I love you or I fucking love you more than anything in this world.

I love my kids more than anything in this world.

I don't want to fuck up anything with them.

No.

You're not fucking up anything with anybody else.

The only thing I want is you and my kids.

That's what I want.

That's all.

That's all I want is you and my kids.

I don't know how to fix my other problems other than what I'm trying to do now.

I'm trying to fix myself.

Okay.

I'm really fucked up.

I'm in a really bad spot right now.

Everything in my life is the shit.

You want me to shoot myself in the head right now?

Okay.

Go ahead.

Take my kids from you or...

I don't want to take them away.

I just...

No.

No.

That's what's going to happen.

No.

It's not.

I promise you.

I don't want to take them away.

I just want us to get them out of a healthy life.

This is not healthy for me.

It's not healthy for me either.

It hasn't been healthy for me in it for a long time or I've told you.

The last time we had...

Or the last few times we've had Fightler, you have...

You don't love me.

You have a love me.

I love you more than anything in this world.

I don't know what I have to do to prove that.

But you're my wife.

I've never left you.

I've never wanted to leave you.

You're the only person who's...

You really think I can stay when you have a kid with someone else?

Laura.

Yes, I do think you can.

And I want you to.

And I'm begging you to.

What more can I do or say Laura?

What more can I do or say?

I will do anything.

I will fix anything that I can fix Laura.

You're what I want.

I've never once ever considered not having you as my wife.

I would rather be dead than not have you.

I love you and care about you more than anything.

I just don't think you love me.

And I don't think you love me for a long time.

And I really wish you did.

I really, really, really wish you did because we have beautiful fucking great kids.

And I love them more than anything in this world also.

My family is all I've got.

That's all I've got.

Yes, you're a kid too.

And you need to recognize him and take care of him and he's their brother.

That's their brother.

How do I, how do I, how do I broke that subject with my wife?

How do I, how do I acknowledge with my wife and done now and with, with, with, and I am

happy for him to be a part of your life?

You can be, she can live here.

No, I don't.

No, she can't.

No, she can't.

I don't want, I don't want anything to do with her.

I have, I have, Jesus Christ.

I have told her a hundred thousand times

that we need to fuck up on.

I mean, everybody.

That's not fair to him, David.

You're right, it's not.

And I try, I, I try when I drop off money to her,

I see him for a little while, and that's it.

And I can't afford this house anymore.

I lost everything that I had put all the bills

this month on the credit card.

I, and then your money goes to her.

No, my money doesn't go to her.

It's only a few hundred dollars.

And I'm supposed to get fucking my shirts on.

I, you can have it.

I don't want a single thing.

I just want it to be nice to each other

and here are the kids.

Or, please, David.

Or, no.

No, don't.

No, please.

Please.

Don't leave me.

David, I don't, I don't want to leave you too.

I, I do not want to leave you too.

I just cannot leave.

I can't leave.

I will kill myself.

I will kill myself.

Or, I need you.

You're my wife.

Don't leave me.

Jesus Christ.

I will do anything I can to fix this.

There's no, no, no.

I want you.

I will do anything to show you that you're my wife.

Or, I've tried very hard.

I really have.

Do you have any idea what my life is like?

Well, people have to call me a year after a year after a year

and tell me who you're fucking every year.

I'm not fucking people every year.

That's not true.

Then why?

I don't have to live a life where people track me down

and tell me things.

First of all, people who try to hurt me, people from my business

that try to hurt me.

Jesse Kevin, because he's a, I found his fucking child porn

on the goddamn fucking, on the, on the computer.

And I had to give it to his probation officer.

Kevin's out to hurt me.

Bobby hates me because I, I fucking fired him.

I mean, Laura, you do have to realize that there are people

that really, really want to see me burn.

Jesse, especially, he's doing everything he can to burn me.

And, and I'm certain he's happy to call you.

I would have squeezed out a black kid along the way

when I be alive today.

Laura.

No, David.

It doesn't go both ways.

You can kill me.

Laura.

Can I have some self-respect for the first time in my life?

I cannot live knowing that you have a kid with her

and then you, you take my, my stuff and you give it to her.

I don't take stuff and give it to her.

The rock and cheer, the jogging and strolling.

I nurse my baby and that stuff.

There is a thickness, David.

It's sick.

Okay, then, will you fucking help me please?

I would love to help you and I would love to be your friend.

Laura.

And I want you to take good care of our kids.

Laura.

Jesus Christ.

You have amazing children.

Laura.

You can't take like no matter what you are.

That's what you're doing.

You're taking you and my kids away.

And I don't want any of that to happen.

Laura.

Don't you understand what I love you?

Do you love me?

I don't love you anymore, David.

I can't.

I'm your friend.

I've been here.

When was the last time you love me?

Because I loved you this entire time.

I really have.

I have loved you this entire time.

This entire time.

This entire 20 fucking years.

I've loved you and cared about you more than anything.

Do anything you want to me.

Put any type of rule and restriction on me that you want.

Just love me and stay with me.

Please.

I care about you and my kids more than anything.

I do.

I swear that on everything.

I swear it on my life.

I am not here to take them away.

I want them to have a happy pleasant existence with two parents that love them and don't fight.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

I don't want to fight with you.

Because I did love you and I know no no don't they let's talk

Then what are you do you swear you've never seen I will swear David. I don't care about that

I care about our kids, and I want them to be healthy and it's not healthy for them to see

Self-destruct

Then let's fix it. Please. Let's work together and fix it. Please

Let's work together. Can we work together and fix this but I need a please can I have a break or no?

Because you're just you're that's just you're just

I am leaving. I am leaving

Please David help

Please David, I want to go

What are you doing this what you're saying help because I'm saying here it's from ragging me

You're saying help from me David. I

Can't I just go no? No, you can't you've taken my children away

You've taken my children away from me. You've already got it

You didn't just leave you took my children away

You took my children away from me you didn't just leave

Your plan is to destroy me. I just like the rest of them. No, it's not I don't know

Your plan is person. No, you just you're right because you're putting your hands on my neck and you're dragging me in the house

I'm trying to talk to you. Can't I love you and care about you. I

I can't do this to me. You can't do this to me

I'm already self-destructing as a person because of all the problem. Fix it

What can I do fix yourself and come back the the person that you used to be build a business do something?

No, not not make it me feel like an idiot all the time because I can't pay all the bills

And I'm not trying to make you feel like an idiot. I'm gonna get paid off here very shortly

I'm supposed I'm supposed to get a check this week

Okay

No, I want to fear I want to I want to buy our house and then then buy it and you can have it

No, I don't want it. I want us. I don't want the house without you

I want this place without you and the kids. Are you kidding me? Oh, they're gonna be here. Oh, whatever

No, they're not you've already taken them. Just where are my kids at? They're right now visiting the police department

With my friends

You've taken my kids to the police department. No, they're with my friends who are police

You've taken my kids to the fucking police department

You're gonna have to take care of that and deal with that but I don't want anybody but you you're the person I want

You're the person I love. You're my wife Laura

You can't do this you can't do this to me

Forgive me please. I will do anything. I will fix the problem

Please

Please give me one last chance to fix the problem

Please Laura. I'm not trying to hurt you

No, but you are you that does not want to hurt you

I want to live in my house and the kids live with you whatever days you want whatever days me and we go to sports and we do everything

But I'm not sleeping this house

Laura

No one else has ever been in this house. No one else has ever been with me in this house

I would never disrespect you that way. I've never done anything like that. Yes, I've made a mistake. I agree

Can I please fix the problem Laura?

Please

Get your money fix your problems

The problem I want to fix is right here. I want to fix the problem with you Laura. I don't want any other any other problems

I don't want any other shit. I want my family

Well, this is the only good thing I've got

Everything else has turned to shit. It really fucking has my business has been yanked out

I'm under me by vindictive people who are just trying to destroy me

Seriously

You might think that sounds like fucking paranoia, but it's a fact. It's a goddamn fact people are people are coming to me from every goddamn direction trying to fucking get me down

They really fucking are

The only thing I've had in my life that's good is you and my children

Okay, and you're taking all of that away from me, but you are you're taking that they're at a police station

They're at a police station right my kids are at a fucking police station with some fucking lady that they don't even know

Right now instead of with their father who cares about them more than anything

You

Or a please don't do this please

Look at me please

Please

Please I love you. I really do I look I acknowledge I've made fucking mistakes

I'm not fucking perfect. I'm nowhere near perfect. I don't even I can't even see perfect from where I'm at, but could you please

Please acknowledge the fact that you know I love you

You know I love you, don't you?

I love you and care about you more than anything Laura. I do

Seriously, will you look at me?

I want you and I care about you more than anything Laura

You're my kids are the only thing in my life

That's worth anything to me and I will do anything to keep it. Okay. Well anything amends give me a break David

And prove it to me fix your problems

You're not coming back you won't come back or you're gonna you're gonna walk out right now

And what's gonna happen is as you like you said you're you're done paying for everything the house is gonna get four closed on

I'm gonna I'm gonna end up being a hermit somewhere and and my kids will never I'll end up shooting myself in the fucking forehead or drinking

Myself the dead and then you'll be happy if you want me to kill myself just say so and I'll do it now

And I'm not joking

I've got a gun upstairs. I'll kill myself. Will that make you happy?

I want us to do the best thing for the kids. No, I want to war up Jesus. I care about you so much. Don't leave me

You're the only person that I

I've trusted and cared about for 25 years or we we've been together since we're kids. I

Care about you more than anything

But my life sucks David. So does mine. Can we can we work together and fix it?

Please I think I'd deserve something else than people telling me all the time

All right, well first up first of all you're right. You do deserve better and I apologize

You deserve better people should never

These pieces of shit that would call you and say these things are pieces of shit

Okay, I agree and I'll get them

Okay, they're trying anything that can you see that they're trying anything they can to hurt me?

Nothing will make them happier than you to leave me

All that does is hurt me and I'm sick being hurt all the time till I'm after time after time

Okay, it's not as bad as you're making it out to be though

It's not time after time after time after time after time. I've made mistakes. I agree

But I'm not perfect. I agree

But I mean it's not like it's not like I went searching for anything

Accidents have happened mistakes have been made. I swear to God mistakes have been made and but they were mistakes

They're not there. I'm not perfect. I agree

Okay, I've made mistakes

It's but it's not like I'm I'm reading it a double life. It's not like I'm living somewhere else

You are leaving a double life you visit her you bring her money and the last few weeks

I've had like $14 to buy groceries and she gets your money

Asked me for money I give her money at the start of the month to help with him, okay? She has a job

I've given her what about me like that's our money, okay?

You're right. You're right, but I've got nothing. I have nothing

I have this house, which is a news around my neck and I that's it and I go to work all day and then I bring you

Your genera upstairs and I have I have I have nothing I have my children and I have my job and I just try to put my feet

Every day lay my bed. I'm like if I could just get my foot on the ground

Okay, then what let's fix this together

Please

Please

Please I don't want it David. I'll give you all every ounce every every penny of money. I've got I don't care about money

I just want to have a date where I have more than $14 to buy groceries

Okay, all right. I think I'm fuckload of money. Okay, and I have nothing

Okay, I agree we've had this problem for a while

Fine with her she has groceries

She has her own job I give her $300 a month

Okay, I'm not rich. I'm barely making it. I'm barely fucking surviving

My business is going in the tank. So what what did you think was gonna happen like I didn't know I didn't know how I was gonna explain

Why would you hide your son? He's your son more because I love you and I care about you, and I didn't want to hurt you

And I'm embarrassed

But at this point tried doesn't mean a goddamn thing to me. I'm embarrassed beyond all embarrassment

I didn't know what to do or how to do it

Okay, she used to be Maceo's girlfriend

Oh

You already know the whole story. Do you know everything? I'm sorry. Go ahead and tell me okay. She was Maceo's girlfriend. I was Maceo's friend

We ended up just somehow in it end up where it ended up. Okay, she refused to have an abortion and

There it is. I'm stuck with the goddamn kid

I

Wanted more than anything to not have another child and why would I want more than any starting businesses with her and my kids names

And her names all over everything together like you're a family. No, no that right there was down there at the coffee shop

Okay, that was I had to start the LLC

She she demanded to be a part of the LLC. I said here. Fine then if you can run this great

And if you can make any money great and it never worked out not for my kids names with her

Okay, your kids names are on the LLC in case she ever tried to do something where she tried to take anything. That wasn't hers

Okay, that way she's not a majority own

I'm not trying I've never tried to be Mr

Subversive about anything and I knew someday I'd have to confront this issue

And I didn't know how I was gonna do it and it really weighed heavy on me

I don't know I have no idea or had no idea how the hell I would deal with this

This is a huge problem and a huge embarrassment. I don't know what to do. It's embarrassing to me. I know

I know I know I like the biggest fucking loser on the planet. No, you're not. Yeah, I am

Come on don't don't don't don't

I don't I don't even hate you. I just

Jesus Christ. I just can't you see that to be alone

I don't want you to be alone. That's the thing that I've never wanted. I've wanted to be with you

I love you

I love you

I've wanted us to be together for the longest time. Okay

But everywhere I go people are telling me that you're with other people who was saying this

Who was saying this? It's everybody everywhere

Everybody everywhere is saying that that I'm with other people or I'm not. I'm with you

You're my wife. You are what I care about. You're who I love

I

Granted I haven't felt loved back for a long time, but I've wanted that. I figured maybe once you know

We got this house situation worked out then you know, we you know things would be a little bit better for us

42 years old. I am using my home. Okay, you're not

Nothing. I've no retirement plan. I have four hundred thousand dollars of tax debt

And they're gonna come after me. You don't know what you're they're talking about me

Because I'm the only one with a paycheck. Hold on a second. There's no one's coming after you

This is getting handled

this is being handled by of

Fred I've got the Warriors name. I've got the Warriors name. He's handling it

He's he's really hand. Hey, this is being handled

Okay, you don't have four hundred thousand dollars of tax debt

Don't think that it doesn't weigh on my head that they're that is sitting out there, but I'm handling it

I'm handling this

You don't have four hundred thousand dollars of tax debt

You don't have four hundred thousand dollars of tax debt. Okay, the the IRS

What they did was they didn't accept those two years worth of of taxes because they were repetitive the the tax

Change that they made the twenty four thousand dollars then what they do is is they take that and then they just they

Disallowed the next two years

Okay, this is being fixed. I swear it. This is being fixed

Okay, I've already paid the attorney. I paid him a year and a half ago

Okay, I am working to fix these problems. I really am

Okay, well then come and find me when they're fixed. I can't I can't even find my kids

You've taken my kids away from you or I don't want to come and find you with I I wish you would work with me

I am working with you and I'd love to see you tomorrow at wrestling

War no, don't know why can't we be a family why can't what

All I want is you I want you to love me. I want you to love me

I've wanted that

Of that's all I've wanted is you to love me

I haven't felt it for a long time. I can tell you that honestly

I mean, I know you're I know you're stressed and you're having a hard time, but I really am

I do have plans to fix that and I did want to fix that

And I still do want to fix that I want I want us to be a happy family

My

My plans were to to buy the house

And then and then you know, I probably aren't going to be able to work very much

But you know because I'm not going to have any money to put back into the business

That's going to you know, I'll just have to sell things off as they go, but then at least we don't have that enormous

You know, you know house bill

I really do have plans to fix this. I don't know how to fix that. I can't I don't know. I don't know how to deal with that. I

I want okay, could could you forgive me?

I love you

I know that much if I keep her it's a black kid. Would you forgive Laura if it meant if it meant you not leaving

And our families staying together I'd have to deal with it

I would have to deal with it

That's not bullshit

I would be hurt. I would be devastated. I'd be feeling all the same things that you're feeling

But I would still love you because you're the person I love that I'm married

Because I love you and because I cared about you and we've been we've been through so much

I can't I can't even imagine being with anybody else

I can't imagine wanting to be with anybody else. I don't want to be with anybody else. I don't want to be with anyone else. I don't want

And you can't live like this anymore. Okay, it's it's it's so mortifying

I know I

know

I know

Believe me. I know

There isn't anything that I don't know better. I know that

But how can I how could I come to you and say

Jeez honey, guess what I did I fucked up again

Not only is is everything else in turmoil, but I'm a complete fucking idiot and a look at this enormous fucking blemish mistake

I've made

And I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody fucking decided to to you know, really stick it in in my side and call you

You

It's your phone. I said it down over

It was in my hand

That's gotta be your your police friends. No, I know come on

You

So as you can see I have no friends in the entire universe

Okay, they give two shits about me. Everyone's out fucking standing in the back

Trying to make those kids have a great life and help them with their careers and the wrestling and everything

And I think we can do that, but there's no we can't do that separately

Laura know every every family that breaks up the kids are destroyed by it

You know that

You know that

You know that as a fact that broken homes are terrible

Look at what Robin is isn't make a good one. I'm not vindictive like her

Yeah, well things like that happen and I'm a piece of shit that would be vindictive because as soon as you're with somebody else

I'm gonna lose it

But that's the one to happen it will happen or you've turned yourself into a beautiful woman

All you care about is working out and being in shape

Because otherwise

It's it's an antidepressant because it's the only thing that makes me feel better

Well, I wish I could fucking make you feel better. Look at what's happened to me

I've just turned to shit because I have no fucking dignity or self respect about myself

I don't care about myself

Will you help me?

Okay, no

No, no

No, let's work together and make it better. Let's work together and fix it

Let's work together

Please let's work together and doing all I can

Okay

And I died in my room and I didn't fucking care

Okay, that's how bad it is

What do you mean when I had a heart attack

I knew what was happening and I died I thought I'd died in there and then you know what happened

It doesn't woke up the next day

Because what are you talking about when I when I was sick

When was this

The first time you had a heart attack

My past out I thought I was just done and you know why I didn't care

Because at that point I would have rather been dead

This is like a year ago

I knew when you took the baby stuff that you had a baby and I knew you had it with her and this whole time

I've been thinking that I'm crazy

Because you had 14 stories about what you were doing with the stuff and I knew you were with her

I always know when you're with somebody

Okay, I'm not with her

I'm not with anybody

I'm with you first of all I'm not with her

You mean everything to me you're the only woman in the world that ever has meant anything to me

But you can't force me into the situation, David

But I'm gonna try

Well, I care about you. You're the only thing I care about

I would rather see as both dead than then aren't now

I rather see me dead than than not have you in my life

Because my children are going to be destroyed by this they're going to be destroyed from this

And it's all my fault

My children's lives are going to be fucked up because of this

I fuck

I fucked up everything with you. I fucked up everything with my kids

everything

I would like to help you

I just can't stay here, please

I don't want you to go or I don't want you to go

I don't want you to go. I don't want you to take my kids

I don't want you to go

Yeah, they're fucking pictures

You took their pictures

You can't do this to me

You can't do this to me or please

Please

Please let's us

Make this better together. Please Laura

Are you just looking for a way out? Are you just looking to make your run? Is that really what's going on here?

Are you not listening to me at all? You don't you don't really don't care about anything I've got to say is that

that really it?

I care. I just I've been over this 800,000 times alone

Okay, you've been over what this whole scenario and there's not going to be a way that I'm going to feel better about that baby

Okay, there's not going to be a way that I'm going to be able to make you feel better about that baby

But can you forgive me for making a mistake because I'm not gonna the minute you're gone

I'm not running over and being with this baby

I'm not doing that but you should it's your obligation. No, I'm not going to

Okay, I'm not going to run over and be with any I'm never going to be with that person

I am never ever

You should fight for your son. You should have your son half the time. He is yours and he deserves to have a good dad too

Will you accept him into the house

No, okay then fight for all your kids because they're yours and they need to serve a good respectable dad

Okay, I'm not going to do anything that's going to jeopardize my chance with you

You know what you know, I'm a pediatrician, right? I mean, I actually feel bad for that kid because I want him to have you as a dad

Laura you need to be there for him too, David. I'm not going to do anything

That will jeopardize us

Laura, I'm not going to do anything that will jeopardize us. I'm not going to do it

I

Want us. I want you and me. I want our kids. I want our family

That's what I want. That's the only thing I want

That's the only thing I want

I don't want anything that will jeopardize us

I love you and care about you more than anything. I really do. I love you and care about you more than anything in this entire world or and I would do anything to prove that

I don't want anything but you and my children in my life. That's it

And the only reason why I've even had to deal with this other person is is because there's a kid there

And yes, it's a it's an enormous mistake

You know, but I do have to I you know do have to take a responsibility for the kid in some way, but

I don't I've never brought it up to you and I've never admitted

You know this just terrible problem because of the problem. It's going to cause me

Because I don't want to lose my family. I don't want to lose you. I love you. I love my kids

This is all I want is you and my children

It really is

It really really is where I'm

What can I do? What can I do? Please tell me. What can I do? I don't know. I think you have the potential to be a great dad

You are a great dad and you could be a dad to that kid

But you have never been a good husband. I have been a good husband

I have been a good husband. I haven't been a perfect husband, but I've been a good husband

There are a whole lot worse husbands out there. I admit I've got I've got issues because

You know because of how my mom fucked me up. I've got issues, but you know, I've got some deep dark stuff that I've never told you

I got problems and I don't know how to deal with okay, but

You know

You

What do you want to tell me I mean there's stuff that you need to say then

Get it off your chest

What

It's really embarrassing

Okay, well, I've been your friend since I was 16 years old. I know, but I never told you before I've never

What

This is the part of the recording where Dave share something personal with Laura

Okay, no one fucked up, okay?

Everybody fucking leaves me my mom left me

Grandma died

You

You

I'm sorry that that happened to you.

I'm sorry that that happened to you.

I think we should just work on a better situation for our kids.

I'm so fucked up.

There's a lot of shit wrong with me.

David, I'm friends.

Please help me fix anything I need.

I would love to help you.

Will you please stay my wife?

Can I?

Can I?

Will you please stay my wife?

Yes.

I can't put you more than anything.

I need to be fixing myself.

Please, I know.

I will do anything to help.

I will do anything.

I will do anything.

I will do anything.

Please don't leave.

Please don't take my kids.

I know.

I will do anything.

David, we're all just going together.

I'll pour my heart out to a psychiatrist.

I'll tell him everything and I will get better.

I will get better.

I will do anything.

I will do anything to keep you.

Anything.

Please don't leave.

Please.

Please.

Please.

You're the only thing I want in this entire world.

What about my mental health?

Whatever.

I will do anything to make that better.

To make it better for you.

I will do anything to make it better.

I will do anything to make it better.

I will get help.

I will be the best husband in the world to you.

I will be who I've never been.

I will do anything.

Please.

Please, you're the only thing I care about.

I don't care about anything in this world except you.

At this point in my life.

And my kids, of course.

These are the things that I care about.

More than anything.

I want you to love me again.

Okay.

We can work on it, David.

But I need some recovery time.

I...

You cannot imagine what I have been through with this.

It's not a very easy thing to get over your spouse having a kid.

But somebody else, it's not a joke.

David.

I know it's not, Laura.

I know I made a mistake.

I know I made an enormous mistake.

A huge mistake.

The biggest mistake ever.

And there's no way for me to fix it.

There's no way for me to...

There's no way that...

I can't just fix that.

I begged and pleaded with this person to please not have a child.

Please.

Don't have a child.

Please.

Please.

This is going to destroy my life.

Someday it's going to come up and destroy my life.

You're not going to tell anybody about that, are you?

No, David.

I would like to help you.

I want a great life for our kids.

I want us to get along.

That's what I really want.

But you don't want anything to do to me.

I do not want to live in this house with you right now.

We have major problems.

And I...

I can barely function right now.

I feel the same way.

But I have to.

And then it got to the point.

My student loans I couldn't defer them anymore.

There's nothing I've just...

And imagine myself a steam.

Imagine how I feel.

For one second.

No, I'm not good enough for you.

No, I can't.

I can't pay the bills.

I can't.

I'm just...

I drive so hard.

So many hours every day.

I know.

And it's never enough.

I know.

It's not that you're not good enough.

Don't ever...

Well, that's how it feels, David.

But I...

I'm...

What's that?

I know what I feel.

I don't know what the dudes are.

You know what I feel?

I feel like I haven't been loved.

And I feel like I'm not good enough.

You're...

You're...

You're wildly talented.

You're...

You're beautiful.

And then I...

I was so excited to tell you about the top-top thing.

And you said, oh, that's a cheesy problem.

It's a major mistake.

It's just political.

I mean...

I was joking.

Jesus.

But it just...

Oh, my God.

I was so excited for myself.

I was so excited for myself.

Worried.

Since the biggest deal.

I expected.

Oh, my God.

You're...

Jesus Christ.

You get it every time.

You're...

God.

What do you mean?

How do you not have the highest self-esteem?

Look at yourself.

You're the most talented person I know.

You're so accomplished.

You're so good-looking.

And look at me.

I've just turned to shit.

Everything in my life has turned to shit.

Haven't you noticed I've gained like fucking 30 pounds

in the past year or so?

I know.

Haven't you noticed how much I'm drinking?

I know.

And you know what that makes me feel like?

I'm not good enough.

I know.

I make you happy because then you have to drink just to be around it.

No.

I have to drink and escape the problems I've done.

Because I don't know how to come to you for help.

I mean, I've got plans in the back of my head

and I'm trying to make them all work out.

But it's like when I tell you about the plan,

when I told you I wanted to buy the house...

But every single thing you do is illegal.

No, it's not.

I don't do everything illegal.

What do I do that's illegal?

My business isn't illegal.

It's not perfect, but it's not illegal.

It's not illegal.

What about the five?

I'm not responsible for that.

Are you blaming me for that?

I don't know.

I'm asking you about it.

I'm not blaming you.

No.

Why would you blame me for that?

I'm asking you.

I was here.

You were here with me.

We were here.

I have nothing to do with it.

For all I know fucking Jesse and Chris

fucking set the place on fire to fuck me then.

I'm not trying to go to prison, Laura.

I'm not trying to fucking be away from my family.

I just sometimes it seems like if we just did things

rationally, you know.

And I don't understand what's going on with your business.

I mean, just nothing makes sense.

I don't do things irrationally.

I granted I'm not the most brilliant businessman in the world,

but.

I mean, the.

The tax thing is getting fixed.

It is.

It really is the fucking the the attorney.

I had to give him this stuff last week.

The stuff that they sent back to us.

I gave it to him last week.

He said that that's coming up.

You can call him.

You can call him and ask him if you don't believe me.

He's handling that fucking the.

The it's it's like an independent arbitrator.

He's handling it.

Okay, I swear to you.

That's being handled.

I talked to the guy from the insurance company.

Well, there's two different insurance companies,

but he's got approval already this week.

I heard from him on Thursday.

This week he's supposed to send me a check for $30,000.

For the one truck.

That's 80% of it because he can do that right away.

Then he's going to send me the other 20% of it.

And then the big truck.

It's probably going to take another week because he has to get approval.

But that's that's like $150,000.

And the attorneys on the attorney for the other insurance company.

He says that that has been kicked to a supervisor.

I'm on the insurance company side.

And that that guy's going to more than likely cut a check on that.

And when we do that, that'll be like $400,000.

We can buy the house or we'll buy another house.

Whatever whatever you want.

I'll give it all to you.

You can have it.

You can be in control of everything.

I don't care.

I just I just don't want to lose you and my family.

Believe it or not, I really do love you.

Believe it or not.

Okay.

I know I'm not perfect.

I know I've made a lot of fucking stupid mistakes.

I mean a lot of stupid mistakes.

I know it.

But I really do care about you.

And I really do only want you in this world.

That's all I want.

You and my kids.

That's it.

I mean, I want you to love me.

I wish I wish you loved me more physically.

I really do.

Honestly, Laura, look at me.

I swear to you.

I really wish you loved me physically.

I mean, I know I'm not attractive.

I know, you know, but I'll get in shape.

I'll do whatever I have to do.

If I need to get in shape, you know, to be more attractive, I will.

If I'm not attractive, I'll do anything I have to do.

The problem is I know I've lost my own self-respect.

And it's hard for me to be attracted to you when I'm thinking about you being with her.

Okay.

That's a big mental barrier.

You just said yourself you wouldn't be able to handle me being with someone else you'd lose it.

Well, I've lost it.

I would lose it, but I would.

I've lost it.

Okay, but I would regroup because I don't want to lose my family.

I don't want to lose the woman I love.

I don't want to lose that.

Why would I lose it?

Why would I lose it?

Because I don't want to lose the woman that I care about.

That's why I would lose it.

I don't want to lose who I love and care about and who I want to be with.

That's what I don't want to lose.

I don't want to lose that because you really are the person that I love.

You're my wife, Laura.

You think if I love some other woman, why wouldn't I just leave?

Why wouldn't I just try to take half your money and leave?

Why wouldn't I do that?

Why would I even be here arguing and pleading with you and telling you my deepest and darkest fucking secret?

If I wanted anything other than you.

I'm sure there's some fucking shestered divorce attorney saying,

hey, you helped her all this time.

You could get half of that.

Why wouldn't I do that if I wanted that?

I don't want anything but you.

You're what I want.

I don't care about any of that other shit.

I want you and my children.

I want my family.

That's the only thing in this world that I want.

And I know you're probably not being honest with me when you're telling me that you're not seeing another guy.

You had to have guys come over here and move all the stuff out.

I paid him a verse.

I have a receipt.

Okay.

But if you did,

I wouldn't fucking be happy.

You're right.

I fucking lose it.

But I would have to find a way to get past it.

I don't want to hurt you, David.

I'm not hearing it.

That's all this is doing to me.

He's hurting me.

You're sticking to it.

I got to give you that.

You're sticking to it.

I don't want to lose you.

And I don't want to lose my kids.

And I said, I want to create the best scenario that I can.

That's the most positive for them.

With two parents that love them and don't fight about it.

And you want to take them to wrestling.

You want to take them to football.

And I'm going to be right there.

No, I want my kids.

I want to wake up in the house with them.

I want to be in the house when they go to sleep.

I want, you know, when they wake up in the middle of the night,

you know, when I come out and I say, hey, what are you doing, bud?

I'm just going to back them bad.

You know, I don't want to lose that.

Or Jesus.

This is going to fuck them up.

This is going to destroy them.

You know.

He needs us.

Oh, my God.

Can you please, please find it in your heart to try to forgive me

and let me do everything and anything I can to fix my problems?

Can you please, please, please?

I don't think that I can live with myself, with my self-esteem any lower.

I feel like crap.

Tell me what I can do to make you feel better, please.

Or you know, you know, you know, you know that you can find a way

if you really want to.

You just don't want to.

You're that mad at me.

You don't want to.

You just don't want to.

But you know you could.

Please.

You can't force it, David.

All I'm asking you is to give me a break.

Where did you move to?

Just a road in Gilbert.

You see, you won't even tell me where you just, you want to, where are the divorce papers

that I are there to hear?

You've already been talking to lawyers.

Where are they at?

I don't have a file on me yet.

But you have them.

Just talking about it.

What did you tell the children?

I told them I'd be back in a few minutes.

And you left them at the police station?

Well, I left them with my friend.

At the police station.

Where are they spending the night at?

With me.

Out of their home, away from their rooms, away from their beds.

Did you take all their clothes?

No, I left their stuff here so they can be here with you and it can be there with me.

I'm not going to be able to live here.

Obviously.

All of their stuff is here.

Because I'm not here to hurt you.

No, you are here to hurt me.

That's fine.

You're just like the rest of them.

You don't, you, nobody gives a shit.

That's fine.

I do give a shit.

No.

And I want to help you.

I'd like to help you.

I just can't stay in the past and do it.

No.

That, whatever.

Okay.

Okay.

I love you when I care about you and I want you.

Okay.

Well, let's work on it.

But I can't stay in this house and look on it.

Right now, I'm just so far down.

I try to be good.

I go to church.

I go to do exercise.

I try to do anything to make myself feel better and I still feel like crap.

Why don't you do stuff with me?

I guess if you want to go to church a hundred times.

Okay.

Why can't we do something that is fun for us together?

Why can't we do stuff together?

Something where I don't have to walk 800 miles on a knee

that already hurts.

Why can't we do stuff together that will bring us closer together?

And maybe, you know, hey, there might be a spark between us.

And you might care about me physically.

And you might love me again.

Why can't we do stuff like that?

I'd be happy to start trying to do that.

But right now, I'm very.

You just want to be single.

Very.

I don't care about that.

Put yourself in great shape out there on the market.

Have a great time.

That's what you want.

Clearly.

No, it's not.

Yeah, there's a lot.

Because you don't want me.

You haven't wanted me in a very, very long time.

I mean, look, I know that you're up here and I'm right here.

I understand.

I know for two years that you've had a kid and I thought I was crazy.

First of all, you haven't known for two years because there hasn't been a kid for two years.

Okay, well, it's birthday's coming up.

Okay.

Well, he's not two years old, so you haven't known for two years that I've had a kid.

Why didn't you, when you cared about me the last day that you gave a shit?

Why didn't you say something so we could fix it?

Because I didn't know how to say something.

And I wanted to fucking fix this problem.

I wanted to fix it because there's nothing else I want other than this.

Because every time I've approached you with these problems, it's...

I lose it?

Okay, I understand.

I lose it.

But I've never been faced with the fact of having to lose you.

There's stuff up here.

They're going to be here whatever nights you want.

Yeah, you can be due sports with them every night and I will be there every night.

Or I want you as well.

I want you.

So tell me what track I have to get on to get you back.

I want you to let me walk out this door.

I'm sitting on the floor.

And we can talk tomorrow.

We can talk in the next day.

We can talk every day.

You don't come back.

You don't come back.

You don't come back.

You don't come back.

You don't come back.

He doesn't, I'm pretty sure we hide it pretty good.

You?

Really?

Yes.

to head it can throw it up. He feeds off us all the time and then when I spend a

lot. Why don't you get a head it can throw up? When did he do this? He's still like three or

four times recently. After you go upstairs it throws up his dinner or it throws up in

the bathroom. There's a lot of stress on that kid, okay? And then in another weird way

when I'm spending a lot of time with them they'll be like after spring break or

something and I'm really trying to be like so positive with him. He goes back to

school and gets in a ton of trouble and I ask them why he says because I don't

be with you mom. I want to I want to do the fun things that we did last weekend or

something and then I feel like I'm like overcompensating you know what I mean

it's just like this and never ending and this is gonna work out so well with us

apart. Why if you want to fuck up the kids and you want to have fucked up kids and

and you want to go out and do whatever you want to do and you want to see me

front off the edge then go ahead. You got to do what you got here. I took your

keys by the way because I didn't want you to do what you got to do or I have to

go and I don't want to fight. No I know you don't want to fight with me. You just

want to you want to do this and and it's and I want to see you tomorrow. No you

don't you don't. When are my kids coming home? Because that's all I'm gonna have

to care about because you don't you it's clear you don't care about me. Whatever

days you want tomorrow night. I want them I want them every night this week and

then I have the weekend I mean the thing is no I want my children you said I

can have them anytime I want them I want them I want my children okay I don't

know I don't know the law isn't or you see you're just telling me you don't

want to be vindictive and hurt me but that's exactly what you're doing you're

taking my kids away from me that's what you're doing you're hurting me you're

taking my children away from me you're hurting me you're right now what you're

doing is you're taking an opportune time to leave me with everything hanging

over my head and here you go Dave maybe you can there you go there you go

there you go no that you know this is exactly what everybody's wanted this is

what exactly what where everyone who's been stabbing in the eye has been

hoping for this is great this is exactly it

they can come home tomorrow after wrestling and I want my children tonight we'll

both see them every day I want my children I want them to wake up and go to

school they're gonna wake up when Stacy gets here take them to school and that'll

be it I want my children I want my children tonight you're gonna leave me a

loan in this house you're gonna take my kids and just run off do it

to somebody some strange house I don't even know where my kids are I don't even

know where they are and some strange house I want my kids tonight I want them

in their house tonight I don't want my I don't want my children away if you

want us if you're gonna fuck me and destroy me and hurt me that's fine I'm

gonna have to I'm gonna have to pick up my ass and live with it okay I don't know

what else to do that's all I can do I wish I wish I could do anything to fix

this but you're telling me that it's just not gonna happen I see it I smell it I

feel it it's not gonna happen you're not gonna you're not gonna forgive me you're

not gonna give me a chance you're not you know it you've said it that's it you've

got the papers you're gonna file them and that's it you're just waiting to do

this thing I want my children I want them here I want them in the house this isn't

fair to me it's not this is not fair and I understand that me saying something

fair is not probably the right terminology that I should be using because I

haven't been fair to you and I want my kids these are my kids I love them to

care about them I don't want them in some strange house they should be in their

beds wake up in their beds go to school I want my children here this isn't fair

this isn't fair to them you want to talk about not doing things to them that's

exactly what this is doing the first second of this what you're doing here is

destroying I'll tell you what for all the mistakes I've made the last thing I

wanted is to destroy my family that's the last thing in the world that I've

wanted the last thing is to destroy my family I don't want them hurt I didn't

I never wanted you hurt never once have I wanted you hurt that's why I'm

obviously concealed everything because I've never wanted you hurt ever because I

care about you and I love you but I love my kids too they're a piece of me I can't

be without my children if you've got to go then you've got to go and you got to

go be saying that's fine but I've got I've got to have my children these are my

sons these are piece me these are only things in this world that are proof that I've

been here there's I have nothing else I have no family nothing fucking I I'm

gonna have that's uncle are you kidding me this is the family this is the only

family I've got are zoos boys that's what I love that's what I care about you can't

take them from me you cannot I'm not gonna I'm not gonna no I'm not gonna go

for that one a lot of things will happen before my kids will be taken from me

world you can go spend the night at your cop friends house day to cop all whatever

you got to do but my kids are gonna be with me come hell or high water I'm sorry

but I've got to fight me now these are my children and if it takes me doing

something crazy I'll do it because you know I'm capable of it and you know I love my children

those are the two things you're not gonna cross do not take my children do you understand me

do you understand me where are my children I'll get them no I'll get them

I want my children I'm not gonna just trust you

where are my children they're with the police I will you have the police bring them here

so you can do this here let me step up at this point Laura steps out and makes a call to

the person who has her kids and then the audio cuts off when the deputies go to arrest Dave they

have not listened to this whole recording yet but they show up with a huge police presence

mostly because of the threats Laura accused Dave of making and the weapons that she said he had

the following body cam audio of their conversation with Dave has been edited for time and clarity

and it's gonna pick up at the point where Dave has already been put in handcuffs

the reason I'm here is your wife after she left she called the sheriff's office

saying that you and her were involved in altercation where she alleged that you wouldn't literally

you tried to choke her a couple times every time she would go out the door you would grab her by

the throw and pull her back in while you guys talked for I think we went an hour hour and a half

I'm telling you what she's alleging she said during which time you threatened

that neither one of you would get out of it alive you'd kill her and yourself then you took that back

and said you'd only kill yourself which that and itself I have a problem with because I don't want

I didn't touch her I didn't grab her okay I asked her if she wanted me you know I I was at that

point I'm I get home from a trip you know taking my children to rest on tournament gone all

weekend and I'm slapped in the face with mistakes that I've made which you know I fully acknowledge

you know the mistakes that I've made okay well what started the whole thing tonight

she handed me a notebook saying that the reason why she's leaving is because I've had an affair

okay and you know I I told her that oh you know I wanted to make it right I wanted to make it

better I didn't want to delete please don't leave me you know and in the in the you know what I

kill myself thing I I asked if that was something that she wanted I'm like what do you want me to

do you want me to you know do you want me to shoot myself what do you want me to do what what do I

need to do to prove to you how much I love you care about you okay of course a conversation did

you make reference to you killing both of you and her or no absolutely absolutely I in the

fact I didn't even say I would I would feel like I asked if if that's what you want okay because I

have an hour and I think 20 minutes worth of audio recordings I haven't listened to yet it has

the whole conversation you guys have okay that's why I'm asking you before I go and it's been an

hour and 20 minutes listening to it what am I going to humor on there no no I don't I don't I don't

think I I said that I would go forever no you don't think or you didn't I don't think I did okay

well look I was really upset and I was you know right very very very upset okay but she was

very fearful when she was talking to me which is why you see sure the the police presence you see

here when I came to talk to you understood because she was worried that you might do something when

we get here whether it be there's something I shoot at us shoot yourself all the things that we

wanted to prevent that's why there was a show of force I hear I heard because you've got to do

your job I'd rather be here with a bunch of cops and nothing happened to be here by myself when

I have to wait for somebody to show up understood understood a lot of a lot of crazy stuff going on

and I don't know no I like I said I'd you know I I don't think I ever said okay no okay and I

haven't obviously I would never do that but simple fact this was the mother of my children

I love her very much I like her for the room well unfortunately people do stupid things you see

it on the news all the time people love each other and they still shoot each other you're right you're

right in moments of anger and yeah well yeah irrational irrational thinking yeah I understand and

and sure I was at that point I was probably very irrational but not to the point where I'm going to

punch her or choke her or any of that's not okay would you have said anything to make her concerned

that you would be coming after her the way she would have to be fearful of you well I did say you

know hey I'm not going to let you take my kids okay I'm not going to let you take my kids you know

I'm not going to let you take my kids was there any threat to any other bodily harm not the extent of

killing her but something else she would have been fearful of what do you mean that's what I

what I'm asking you like if she was to take the kids where you hurt her no no no I know I mean

obviously I mean if she's gonna leave and I can't get her to forgive me and understand you know

and and she's past the point of understanding then okay then I you know I've got to go into

hey I've got to fight for my kids okay I've got to fight for my kids I've got you know I've got to

get an attorney I mean if you look on my phone that's you know when you call that's what I was doing

I was working up Arizona divorce a lot okay and I inflicted on my phone you know then how many

kids do you share together three three and how long have you guys been married since 1990

on so long time yeah it's 20 22 years I was there any type of filled physical

altercation between either you or her putting her hands on you or anything um no I mean when

the the only time we ever even got body to body was um was I you know I hugged her and she

didn't want to hug me back okay and then when was this tug as you call it what

yeah what's that I'm gonna ask I have to kind of have it all laid out I got you I got to get things

from your perspective I got you um she uh was it like at the door and did you pull her back

inside when you did it what tell me what happened there um okay so I knew something was going on

okay um when I first came home she um she immediately took the kid and said we're going to Walmart

so uh just like okay so I go in the house I'm starting to put stuff away and the bedroom door is

locked I'm like okay I'm looking around for one of those little things to open the door

I can't find it so I go around the back door and I go in there the the bedroom and everything's

gone and I'm like oh shit what what just happened here so I start calling her I'm like hey you

know are you still a Walmart uh no I'm like okay uh what time you come back and you bring a pizza

you know I'm trying to feel what's going on here um so sure bring the pizza

so um it had been a while so I'm getting ready to leave so you know because I think maybe she's at

um another friend's house our friend's first house okay so I pull out and I see her pulling so

I pull in um you know I turn around and come back um she said your pizza's upstairs um and I met

her at the garage to the house door okay she was coming out and I'm like hey what's wrong

because I knew something was going on she hands me this and says um

uh something to the effect of I can't do this anymore um and we start talking um we you know

and and I'm just you know I don't I don't you know strike her or anything I you know I know I

did put my arms around here I'm I'm like hey you know come on let's talk let's talk please let's talk

um we move into the living room um we're talking there um

but but before hold on but before um I uh went in the house I reached into her

um her car and I took the car keys which was her car was not here the tall the tall okay I took

the talk keys put in my pocket because I wanted to talk to her okay um so we we get towards the back

door um we're talking um I don't remember everything that was said um you know basically I'm pleading

okay um you know to you know give me another chance

she has the dog and I think she's gonna take the dog for walks we start to walk outside

yeah and then um I was I was like towards the driveway side and she um

she I don't know if like she was letting the dog go or what but she like started to bolt that

way and I'm like let's talk let's talk let's talk let's talk let's talk um

um and I I do think she said something like you're not letting me we okay um now that I'm thinking

about all this and hindsight I feel like I must have been set up for this um because I do believe

she did say something you know you're not letting me leave and and I'm just like you know I just

want to talk to you okay I love you I want to talk to you and you know we talked for a while longer

and you know when I you know beared my soul and she's just like you know you know I don't want to do

this I don't want to do you know I'm I'm like okay you know I give her back her keys and I'm like

if you're going you're going you know you got to go you got to go she didn't know I had the keys

I took them on my block and I'm telling her you're gonna need these and did her you at any point

take her phone away from her uh I didn't take her phone from her she she cares two phones but

okay um I I had my arms around I was hugging her I was like please please please don't go

and her phone is in one of those little slip things and it slipped in my hand I just set it now

okay and I and I in fact told her I'm like because like uh your phone went off or something

like that and she didn't realize and I'm like you know what's over here it's on the couch I said

it out I didn't realize you know I was more focused on talking to her right but she still had

another phone okay by the way um I mean if she really felt the fear of her life she could

call or you know now during her conversation with her while you were inside did you stand between

her and the door to make her think she couldn't leave or anything I sat on the ground I was sitting

on the ground we're at in the house I was home I I the couple of times I lean back onto the

uh like the bar okay the kitchen area yes okay and she was she was sitting on the edge of the

couch by the door okay wow I was talking to her and I mean if she you know if you wanted to

you know she could walk right out and I think I made reference to that you know if you're

you know if you want to walk out you can walk out you know I'm you know I love you I'm trying to

salvage this okay okay so that was good okay and then she I told her you know I'm like hey you

know she's like you can have the kids anytime you want them I'm like well then you know I want

them you know I want them now I want them tonight you know you know they're they're they're you

know she told me she she left them with her friend that you know the cop who's gonna you know

take them to places I'm like my kid they're a police station no they don't they don't know what's

going on with with their dad they don't know anything do you or her have any kids from any other

relationships um I do which is hard problem okay what about her does she have any kids from any

other relationship or just a three that you guys have no she no she's okay I mean I've noticed

and she was oh I'm just asking so I just gonna count for everything okay all right yeah um so

that's you know that's basically it and I'm just like in where are my kids where are my kids you know

I want my kids I want them tonight okay I guess she's like okay well let me let me go let me go

let me go call I'm like I'm like no have your friend bring the kids here you know let me

she's like let me go pick them up and bring them I'm not no have your have your friend bring them

here we'll go get you know I don't trust that and right fully so so she goes outside she um I don't

know she famed to make a phone call or actually made a phone call but then you know I sat inside

for you know 10 15 minutes before you know I walked outside knowing what I already know that she'd

left okay up until today have you guys had any other problems they've been arguing more lately

and you know that not actually know I mean we I mean we're civil to each other I mean we have

we haven't been perfect but um the closest time we've had to you know any any argument was

probably Jesus eight months ago um and we just you know I thought at that point maybe we were going

to you know you know hit the skits um you know it's just like you know I'm you know I want to have

my kids if you know for not gonna be together I want to have you know primary custody of my kids

okay which I do believe is the you know honestly now in hindsight I believe that this entire

knife was engineered to you know to make me look like a jackass which as well as far as the kids

go I don't know what I'm doing doesn't determine who gets custody of who or anything that has

to go through a family court judge and the family court judge hasn't decided that there's nothing

to do with what's going on right now who has custody of the kids well obviously if if she's

gonna try you know she's obviously trying to get me into trouble if she can get me into trouble

than that you know that weighs against me well again this is a criminal side versus the family

court side well I mean yeah they can tie together but this if I'm if I'm a criminal they're not

gonna give me this won't be a deciding factor if you're gonna get your kids or not now and yeah

you still have to be convicted right now you're not guilty of any crimes you have to go through

the court process before you're found guilty and convicted of a crime and be as you said and

criminal I understand but I mean tonight is this is enough tonight allegations are one thing that's

not a definite thing she made allegations so that's why I'm here investigating things

because I I haven't listened to the whole hour and 20-minute-long recording that she gave me

okay that's sitting on my computer right now to listen to okay and I'm trying to get to the

bottom of what would actually happen because sometimes even just because she's the one that called

911 or or the monobarance number does it mean everything went the way she said it went I guess

that's why I'm here talking to you as well I'm sure I mean I was a rational you know I was an idiot

you know I mean I was begging for my the reason you saw the presence I was because of what she told

me initially about firearms you may not be cooperative this and that so rather than take a chance

I got you I didn't do you came out just fine you cooperate just fine but I had to

I'm calmer now you know I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to piece together a little bit for my safety

for all there simply that's why things went down the way it doesn't it doesn't increase the

severity of anything you don't have to you don't have to explain that I understand that I mean my

my only negative thought right now is like Jesus Christ did I say something that I didn't mean

that's going to be used against you know I'm trying to think right did I say something

ridiculous that I didn't mean and I don't think I did as far as anything said the things that I'm

most concerned about is if you threaten to kill her or yourself yeah I have two things that

I I I don't think I look it's possible you look at it or read it or I'm not to listen to it yeah

I'm not for sure I don't I mean look I mean I I may have so time it's it's completely possible I

don't think I did but I mean I was in there for a long time you know begging for my you know

my life my livelihood you know my car life you're trying to salvage what was there and if I

said something stupid he wouldn't definitely be as the only way I could chop it up anything is

just being a rational thought okay nothing behind it all right now off the subject where are the

weapons in the house um upstairs in the um it's like a it's like a it's like a little

uh closet area and if you if you go into that there's a um

well it's uh it's to the far like if you walk in it to the far left hand side there's a

uh shotgun case and it's got a shotgun in it with a the trigger guard and some of what we did

and the um actually the um

um

the pistol is probably with it in the case okay that's also just the two guns yeah

all right and that well and then at my office I have a gun okay and your office and Phoenix yes

no would you be okay with me to take him for tonight as a safe keeping thing and hold on to him

so there's no allegations in the future no I don't obviously not I don't want you know I don't

want to go through any of that if I don't have to okay you know I I honestly I

I in regardless of anything that has been said I don't feel as though I

done anything to you know put anyone in jeopardy or harm okay so I'm gonna go talk to my

partner's a little bit and I gotta listen to some of that recording so I kind of know what if

any of the allegations were true because I'm not gonna charge you a thing you didn't do

or I allegedly didn't do okay well I mean I appreciate it all right I try to do my job as

fair as possible I got you okay but these is loosely I'm just I've got a long time since I've

been in any handcuffs in history what were your handcuffs before um had a guy road rage me

about four years ago right out here um I was in my uh big tow truck so I pulled him in the center

divide because more than you know the two lengths go to one uh pull him that you know the

satellite you let him look at that scene where it was right and I just stopped there and

sat there that turned around it came back no were you arrested for that or yeah actually well

what happened was is um the guy I never got out of my truck the guy kicked my door in

uh the officer uh Gilbert officer he he took me down and charged me with either

disorderly conduct or something um and it got like the way because there's no

ever okay did you go to jail that night or just gonna put it oh yeah they had me drive my truck

in here big put me down book me in okay uh and then that same officer drove me back I think once he

realized um the that you know I didn't do anything because he came out the next day in the wash

I guess okay um so I mean we wasn't you're kind of a big guy but I'll put a second set on you

so you have a little bit of room to move well thank you so go ahead and I guess the

fat part of me just go ahead and step out and then face face the vehicle okay

that way it'll give you more rooms without as much pressure on your shoulder

I got the lock facing you just keep facing the truck okay

my reporter Nicole and I found this audio incredibly insightful I mean we could spend all day

guessing how Laura felt about her marriage or her safety when leaving that marriage

but you can only get so much when trying to read between black and white lines on a police report

to hear it in her own words I mean it's hard to overstate how important this was so thank you to

the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office for fulfilling this request this is how it's supposed to work

and I think hearing this now raises a lot more questions not just about Laura's case

but even about Nick Cordova's too if you remember from Nick Cordova's episode

Dave had told officers that the gun he had in his office he had just gotten because of a domestic

custody dispute that he was having in 2020 well maybe that gun was new but Dave was pretty clear

here he had a gun in his office as early as 2013 did something just get lost in translation

or should we read more into that I also think Laura had a lot of information about Dave's business

dealings information that I think could be critical to understanding how this man operated then

and in 2020 maybe even now and a couple of questions are top of mind for me coming out of hearing

this one what fire was Laura referencing does anyone out there know about a fire that happened

which was somehow connected to one of Dave's businesses second what is the deal with this 400

thousand dollars of tax debt that Laura is talking about being in that they're going to be coming

after her for and more importantly I would love to know more about all those insurance payouts that

Dave seemed to be expecting to help them getting a good spot and third and finally we obviously

looked into all the businesses Dave had in his name but at one point Laura accused Dave of starting

a business with his mistress and putting his and more as children's names on the LLC to ensure

the woman wouldn't become a majority owner or take anything that wasn't hers now I feel like I have

to go down another rabbit hole does this LLC still exist what is it do any of you out there know

you guys have been incredible with reaching out and sharing information this audio that we got

is not the only tip we've gotten in relation to this case and I promise when we have more I'll be back

in the meantime keep it coming you guys I said it before but I mean it just because the episode

ends does not mean our reporting stops so you can reach out to us anytime by emailing tips at audio

chuck dot com we'll be back Monday with our regularly scheduled programming