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1:03life. Yes, we'll have much more on Michigan Western Michigan and more we will have reaction to Sunday's action, which included a really, really fun finish between Ole Miss as they get the win against Louisville only win against an AP ranked team all week long belongs to the Ole Miss Rebels. Congratulations to you. Now also we will be discussing Notre Dame grading their performance in the win in Lambo Field against Wisconsin. Does Washington want us to talk about the Apple Cup? I don't know we can get to that in so much more, but DK speaking of our friend Bobby in the tailgate first word to you on what was probably the story, you know, we thought it was going to be Lane Kevin, but I think the story of college football the weekend was the finish between Michigan and Western Michigan. The conversation has been robust. It has been ongoing. You're in Tallahassee, so we'll get to stay to SMU here a little bit. I said the talk of your walk around last night still talk of the town even in Talley. People are still in disbelief of what we saw with our eyes.

2:05You guys crushed it on the post game reaction show. Totally agree with everything you said. I don't know the only way to fix this and I think this is something the big tension to do it immediately and the only thing that would have avoided this whole thing was to do with the ACC has done for a year now. The big 10 is dabbling in it doing it sometimes on Friday nights. If you have the control command center live, because like, and it's somebody who's been in the broadcast booth, like you're in that position and you're talking about what you think is supposed to happen. It made it look egregiously worse because the broadcasters and their rules expert are like, man, it looks like zeros, looks like zeros on the clock. Then that creates what we all saw with our eyes were like, oh, it came over. Then they're coming back and they really never got an explanation of exactly why there was an extra second put back on the clock. But from the minute there was the review process, if you take out those broadcasters, guessing what they think and you just went the command center, I don't think it would be anywhere

3:08near as controversial because we would have seen it and they would have said here's the clock. Now, that's if you believe the numbers that they're putting out, if you believe that, which again, is part of the problem because it was two hours later that it just looks bad. But I think if I'm a powerful commissioner, if I'm a group of six commissioner, I am calling my TV network saying we have got to do the live command center so we don't find ourselves in that situation. That was the biggest egregious mistake besides Western Michigan getting screwed. Yeah. You're right. You do have to, I think in this era of where we are, not just the big 10, I think sport kind of has to really give strong consideration to having that transparent of a replay and a review process because you look at, we'll just use the college football example, you look at how much money is now in the sport, both in that they're bringing in from television and they're bringing players. Then you look at the fact that you're selling gambling ads. You are promoting gambling and that is having an impact.

4:08You should provide transparency considering so many people who are tuning in to watch your games have money riding on these games. The one thing I'll come back to, you mentioned it to Danny, they had their rules expert on the NBC broadcast. At no point did an official who spent years working in the NFL or any other, whatever to mention. The reps have a different clock that has hundreds or thousands on it. At no point did he mention that possibility. Then there is the story from Bruce Feldman and the athletic, he talked to Mike Ferrer, they're rules official who spent years in the NFL and he said that their operation was you use the clock on the TV, you use the clock in the stadium to avoid situations just like this. If there is a discrepancy, you are supposed to use it. But it is very possible that these reps just made a mistake. They used the wrong clock. They should have been using the one on the field on the television and they went to the one that had the hundreds when they shouldn't have been and it's caused a giant controversy

5:10if you believe it. I know a lot of people aren't going to. I'll take the big 10s word for it. I'll say that that clock exists and somebody just screwed up. But it was still a massive mistake and a huge problem and a huge point in the game which could have major ramifications for both of these teams the rest of this season. I was on Mac and Cube this morning with Mac or in Cube look and Greg said that he didn't realize this but he asked around about it. Basically the TV clock, it is different and every time you change a shot or do something you can get off by a couple of tenths to where it is legitimately different. I think Tom's point is really interesting and one I hadn't considered. Are they allowed to use the official clock which is sort of an absurd statement like a certain official clock. Sports. Yeah, right. I feel like this is such a great sport. Assuming that they're allowed to use the official clock, I think I've moved on to

6:12where like, all right, Michigan played like crap and that's really concerning. Western is a good Mac team. On the Mac last year played a very good game and played their game which Michigan should be dictating terms against Western Michigan. I don't think they really got like screwed but at the same time like they should kind of feel like they got screwed. You know what I'm saying? I think they probably got this correct but it doesn't feel right. On that note, we actually have had Western Michigan's administration step up and address this. And so we, I know we heard from the Mac commissioner John Steinbrecker on Saturday night, early into Sunday morning. We had it on CBS Sports HQ. Striker, do we have the comments? I believe this is the university president of Western Michigan. We're an education institution and the truth is every single one of us has encountered something like this in our lives and some of us have been lucky to have it happen where it didn't

7:13hurt this bad. These young men are encountering this in the most public and hard-wrenching way. And trust me, there are a lot of people in their systems that are telling them to get mad at the system, blame somebody else. Maybe they were even right that it was unfair. But this is a remarkable opportunity for us to look forward and to say to these people, these young men and frankly influence everyone around us that when this kind of thing happens you take a hard look. And then if the system is set such that you can't review it, then you use this as an opportunity to learn because the truth is if this team is great and I believe we can prove we are great, then this will make us stronger. Thoughts? Oh, I'll probably do some left NFL camps watch that. Or Notre Dame. Yeah, I just say it. Yeah. The way they have handled this has been some of the best PR commentary you could have

8:16ever imagined. I think it's a great opportunity. I think it's like a job interview for Lance Taylor. If you're looking at considering him the way he's handled this, I mean, I would say this has been all class from Western Michigan. I do think this does and I think he kind of alluded to it. Like if we do accomplish our goals, this is one where I think like I was going to ask you guys this, what do you think is more impressive? What they did against now, Grant, what see all the whole season unfolds, what they did against Michigan or what Boise State did against Oregon, you know, and like if they're neck and neck, if they have very similar resumes, I think you have to look at what they did, getting robbed of a win as opposed to Boise State clearly coming up short in the moment. I think that's where you have to lean. Oh, man, what a fun. I mean, I guess it's fun, but it would if they would be fun for Boise and Western if we are arguing week one quality losses on November the 20th between these teams to see who gets the 12 seed like that. That is quite a remark of I mean, college football, understand that an expanded college

9:17football playoff waters down the regular season. I agree that objectively it's just part of the trade off here, but that does not mean that a week one smallest week one margins could end up impacting even in an expanded playoff. That's what it could end up happening at the end of the year. That's a fascinating thing to consider. I think Western Michigan will not Boise will still have other chances against teams. I'm happy. That's great. Yeah, they've got more chances against teams of higher quality. For Western Michigan, they would just probably have to start bringing the hammer, you know, to Mac teams and really starting to look dominant if they want to put themselves in that position. Boise also has to play Western Michigan. That's right. Oh, perfect. Yeah. Oh, then it won't matter if we're comparing them because the head on the field will matter the most. Yeah. Well, I don't know, man. I don't know. I don't know. We are talking about the college football playoff here. Any other final thoughts here on one last piece and this is I wanted to make sure this was my very last word because it is the piece that I am assigning the least amount of energy

10:19to, but it was a hell of a throw. Okay. Yeah. We're deaf. We're deaf. We're deaf. We're deaf. We're deaf. We're deaf. I mean, I played at Sawgrass the 17th hole, the island green. You know what I did the first time I nuked it over the green. So you know, I just took a mulligan and then I adjusted clubs and I kind of dialed it back a little bit and then it was bam. It was right there. But you know what? You don't really get that luxury. Like he basically got a mulligan because the first one was awful. He didn't give him a chance and Kyle woulding him said that after the game was like, first one didn't even give him a chance. Like that is rule number one on a Hail Mary is to make sure it's in bounds, but he got to adjust, got to change clubs and he got wrecked too. That was a little great for him. Yeah. That's the thing he's getting, he's getting hit. He's like off balance and it's just right. I mean, we credited JJ Buchanan for the athleticism on the catch too. That was one piece that didn't get out. I didn't come back to until I was continuing to think about it. All right. Speaking of results on the field Sunday night gave us a big time game like ranked on ranked

11:22Louisville all miss. Fun finish here. Clunky start. I'll leave this one just kind of open bud to where you want to take it. What were some of the sort of headline top line takeaways that you got from the walkoff field goal for the Rebs to prevent what could have been kind of a bad collapse there at the end. I mean, Trinidad is amazing. Yes. Right. Like he just so many deep shots that he hit and just like attacking down the field like that you just don't see this whole lot. To me, like he really stood out like hitting do sal Alexander on those two big ones was was pretty big. I was disappointed in Ole Miss's secondary, which I thought was going to be improved this year. And like they were still turning guys loose kind of like scarily often. And if Louisville doesn't play like dumbasses. Right. I mean, like, but that's kind of what they've been for like the last 25 years when they're

12:23good. It's like, all right, they got guys who could play at Miami, you know, or at, you know, Alabama athletically. And maybe like the, you know, game instincts and like that kind of stuff just lacking in certain ways. Just the repeated personal fouls like hammering chambles when he's, you know, good half yards out of bounds on the third and eighth scramble where you're going to get off the field. Right. Like the, you know, how many times like I was shot that yeah. Like the rough and the kicker or the punter. Like, you know, that, if you force Ole Miss into a field goal, that's a win. Right. Like it's, it's a big time mistake to hit him at all. You don't really, like I'm not saying don't try to block it, but like come on, man. You know, I was encouraged by Louisville. Like if they, if I was convinced they could play clean games and I'm like, okay, cool. Like they got a really good shot to go 11 and one. They'll probably lose a couple that they shouldn't because that is sort of their MO. You know, and I mean, like I, I'm curious to hear your y'all thoughts on, on, on keynoles.

13:28Like I, I saw some really good things. I love them. I love these. Great. I, this was one of the games that actually felt like a pretty good feel for. I thought Louisville would be able to handle the physicality of an SEC team like Ole Miss. Yeah. Athletically, like all those things they matched up pretty well. The one unknown was what was Lincoln, Kenolt's going to be. Once he settled into the game, he kind of had that little swagger about it. I'm like, he did look like he was kind of starting to feel himself, was getting into a groove, was getting into a rhythm. I think you have to feel really pleased what you saw from Louisville. I know you didn't come out with the win, but as far as like a moral victory, you got to feel pretty good about the talent that you have going toe to toe with them. On the other side, but since I was trying to think of it because man, trying to outchambler stores the prettiest deep ball. I don't know if there is a comp, the only name that I kept about because he likes to put a lot of air under it, which I appreciate. Like it's just beautiful. Do you remember Jeff Blake? I got that kind of remind me of Jeff Blake, who was a really good deep ball thrower, but my goodness, the ball comes off his hand nicely.

14:28And obviously we need to know what he does outside the pocket. But I think that is the one thing you do not have to worry about is turning it out chambler. So even with the rocky start, he just does not get rattled. He's got ice in his veins. He's one of the best quarterbacks in college football and you saw that on display in the second half. Like the quickness with which he gets to like, oh, it's there of firing. It's fast. Like it's not a big wind up. He doesn't take a big stride. His feet are constantly moving. He just, it's like, oh, shoot, he's just a sniper out there, man. I like T said after the game, he's like, I don't want to play games like this. I wish we didn't. You know, like, Trudeau, you're such a hero in these moments. Tell us about what it takes. And he's like, I don't want to play like this in the fourth quarter. I would much rather we'd been able to have better execution earlier in the game and not have to deal with this. But somebody who, even though he was kind of making light of it, is very much willing to answer the call for those kinds of plays as he's been doing over the last two seasons. Yeah, they're going to go as far as he goes.

15:29I mean, that's my takeaway, take away from it. It's kind of, it's not all that different from what they were last year. Like Trudeau dad played fantastic in the second half and they kept making plays to go ahead because they had to because they're defense just was not very good. They looked good against the run. They looked horrific against the past and keep in mind, that's a quarterback who was starting his first game in like what, five years since he's been in high school and since he's been a starter and you could tell early because Louisville was having a lot of problems with like the game clock. They had to burn a bunch of time outs because they were about to take delays again. They could lay off game penalties early. Jeff Brahms. So clearly Lincoln was, yeah, like he was like, you know, like he was having real difficulty adapting to the speed of the game and he hadn't been in one for so long that you can understand it. But yeah, like if Trudeau dad messes up, that team is in trouble. Like he has to be that good or else I don't know how they're going to like weekly in the SEC. I don't know how they're going to be competing. Like they did it last year, but that was kind of how I felt about them all last year.

16:29I kept waiting for, you know, like them to step on a rake and it actually hurt them and they never really did until they got, you know, deep into the playoffs. It's hard to do that weekend and week out. If we call them like a 20 power rating wise, right, which is, you know, they'd be like a 10 point dog like like a Texas or Ohio State. If they don't have Trinidad, what are they like like is he worth? Well, yeah, like 13. I'm hair cutting them like a full touchdown. It's like a meaningful game. On the past defense for both sides, my sense was both of these coaches just first and foremost, we're trying to sell out to stop the run that what Lacey and Brown provide on each side, the both defenses were like, we are like, that is our number one thing that we have to do, which I'll let, I mean, shoot, I know Pete Golding's a big fan of the cover three podcast. I'll let him reach out and you know, clarify that for us, but it seemed as though some of that was a balance issue. Also, I mean, you talked about the delay games.

17:31How about the punts going over Trinidad said, how about the fumble by Lacey after you'd gotten the fourth down conversion? I mean, this thing, they were playing with a greasy watermelon in the first half is sloppy just all around it. It once the game took off it ended up providing the second half that gave us all the fireworks, but kind of an ugly game here to begin with. That can happen. That was glorious though. Yeah, that was a second half. Yeah. Fun second half. I do think that I'm curious to see how much Brahm adapts to what Keen Holtz felt comfortable doing. Because like just dropping back in the pocket, it was rough. Anytime they were using the threat of his legs or the threat of his legs. The bootleg to get him out so that he can get the clean look at it. He threw on the run well. He created space on those rolls well. He threw pretty accurately down the field. He hit a couple of deep shots. They also, I think, drew two PIs on deep shots. Man, I know Brahm is a really good dropback guy, but he may have a quarterback who's not

18:33very good at that. As the game went on, I thought he adapted well. When they got down there in the red zone for their last touchdown, I was like, okay, so we're just going to go two by two, gun, and just straight drop him back. The next play, they ran QB Tarrowsick. There we go. I also think we have to remember it was his first game in college. He can improve from the pocket. That's where he probably isn't comfortable in there. I think that's where if he develops there, that's when he could be that much better if he develops as that pocket passer because if you throw that in with the running ability, then you could be something really good. The explosive that Louisville has too is nice. Richardson can go McCoy. Trey Richardson. Yeah. The way they have, they've like multiple touchdown score types on that offense from the outside. I mean, every time I get the ball on their hands, this could go. You know, and like I shoot. Hey, are we going to call him Sam's Club Malacatoni?

19:34We got he Sam's Club Malacatoni's out there. Man, seriously. I was encouraged by what I saw from them. Ole Miss offensive line scares me a little bit, but at the same time, we know Louisville's front's good. I saw some chatter. Like, oh, wait, wait, Ole Miss gets in the SEC and like, are you taking Auburn's D-line over Louisville's? No, I don't. You're taking Missouri's? I'm not. Like, they're going to face some good ones. Oklahoma probably gives problems. Georgia's not going to be easy, but it's not like every SEC. The SEC team they play is going to be way better up front than Louisville is defensively. Good point. My final question on this game, are there analytics that support the idea that showing quarterbacks moms is better for a broadcast? I'm glad we made the game. I don't know if they're probably. I don't know if they're probably. ABC games love showing players, moms. We could probably get the challenge. We're excellent last night. Yeah, that was some good shout outs. Yeah. There was, yeah, there was one. I was a big fan of, yeah. If you get a Nashville game and Ole Miss is playing it, you're going back 1000. Combinations pretty, yeah.

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23:42Things not firing on all cylinders for the fighting Irish either early in the first half. But a pick six and three touchdowns on three second half possessions lead to a 28 to three second half for Notre Dame to be able to pull away here. Tom, do we like on the do you want to start on the Notre Dame side or the Wisconsin side? Because obviously both of those are significant to us. Were was there anything to be taken the way that we talked about Louisville with hey, we came out there and we showed some fight early or is there just still a little bit of sadness for the way this looks at the end? I mean, from the Wisconsin angle, I would argue that like the first half was very encouraging. They were going toe to toe with Notre Dame and I you know, you looked at the one thing I was most interested in was would they be able to put pressure on C. J. Car against that offensive line because regardless of how the game ended, if they were able to do that against Notre Dame's offensive line, it both well for the rest of the season and they did they did a relatively decent job of that. So I do think that there's reasons to be optimistic.

24:45But I also think that you saw what Wisconsin season is going to be. Like they brought in Colton Joseph and I, since the day they brought him in, I mentioned that as far as good as he was for old dominion last year, he turned the ball over a lot and that was against Sun Belt competition. And when you're stepping up a competition, will he be able to get rid of those turnovers? What ended the game was a pick six. Now, based on what I saw, I think there's a decent argument to be made that the wide receiver messed up. But you know, there was a miscommunication there and that pick six, it took away any chance Wisconsin hadn't completely flipped the game on its head. So I think that's what Wisconsin is going to have to just kind of, you know, walk that tight rope all year because there were other plays outside that interception. Where Colton Joseph looked really good and they had a lot of kind of explosives, at least opportunities for explosives that they didn't even hit as well, that they, you know, you just haven't seen from that offense in the last couple of years. So you ended up getting your head caved in in the end, but overall, you get past the score. I think Wisconsin has some things to be happy about and they don't have to face another Notre Dame.

25:51Yeah, I agree. I thought Wisconsin, I don't think Wisconsin's good, but they don't suck anymore. No, I'm like, no, I'm sorry, like, they've been bad. And now they're like, okay, they're like an average power for college ball team with a cakewalk schedule. And now I'm like much more confident that just based on what they show, they can cache in that cakewalk schedule and make a bolt. Like, I don't know if they're going to win eight or nine, but like I'm pretty confident they can get the six or seven, you know? And like, they were fairly physical against a good Notre Dame team. And, you know, I thought, like, I don't think I love the fit of Joseph with this OC. Like, I don't know, he gets kind of a mismatch. And I thought that all off season, but it's not like a disaster, you know, like they're fine. I think like Wisconsin fans should be like, cool. And we got a product that is not embarrassing to watch every week. Should we be proud of this product? Probably not, but like, it's a step in the right direction, I guess.

26:52Like, they weren't destroyed by Notre Dame. And I think that was like an outcome that was possible entering the game. Like, I know Notre Dame covered and whatnot, but they they fought them well for a half. You know, like they play physical, they play hard. They're they're not real skilled. I don't think the opposite scheme is anything special. Like, it's kind of a weird fit. But, you know, like, they play a lot of teams that can't do another day and did. They they went through the gauntlet of a schedule the last two years. And now they get rewarded with the easy one. And I think they'll be able to catch that in. I mean, Notre Dame USC in Iowa are the three toughest opponents here. And you've just gotten one of them behind you. You're going to be able to draw the likes of Rutgers and Purdue and Michigan state. Yeah. I mean, like, there's there are going to be spots there. And next two games, by the way, are going to be Western Illinois and Eastern Michigan. So you should have the chance to be able to fill it up to the point where to Buds Point, you you are entering the Minnesota rivalry game with the chance to be able to make sure you're a bolting. If you haven't done it already. Like, you're probably a dog at UCLA. You'll be favorite of a Michigan state.

27:53You'll be a dog at Penn State. You'll be a dog hosting a sea. You'll be a dog at Iowa. But if you can get through that decently, like, you finish Rutgers at home at Maryland, at Purdue, host Minnesota, you could go two and two in that stretch, right? Yeah, I can see that. Maybe you steal one in your middle five stretch. Is there any potential that is there any reason to think that Notre Dame's that Wisconsin being competitive in the first half was a Notre Dame issue? Yeah. I mean, I think Wisconsin, that's kind of the gave their best effort that came out. I mean, they did give them 14 points with a pick six and the most kickoff returns. So like, those don't have that was that was another great review process there. By the way, I'm just so glad we have instant replay. I mean, I said that the other night, like, it's just great that we can take longer to still get the calls wrong. So it just slows the game much more. There doesn't make any sense. I will say this. This is an observation watching the entire weekend of what we think are going to be national champion contenders.

28:54And this would be something that concerns me if you're Notre Dame. It's on the commonality like when you see Miami, you see Malachi Tony, when you see Texas, you see Cam Coleman, we see Ohio State, you see Jeremiah Smith, when you watch Trade as Green for LSU, you see these playmakers like this field. I know it's the year of the quarterback. I also think it's the year of the playmaker. They are the offense of weapon. Most of these guys at Y receiver, where is that guy going to be for Notre Dame? Like, we have not seen that yet. It's been an issue for them. They went out and get the two guys from Ohio State. No one was hurt, but like, it's the same guys that we saw last year with Jordan Faizon being the guy like, where is the playmaker for Notre Dame on offense? I can't face on that. I don't understand. Yeah, so it exists. Like, if this Notre Dame reaches like a quarter or a semi-final, and you're prepping for them as a team that I was also in the quarter or semi-final, anybody really scare you? No. Like, if you acknowledge they're good, they have a lot of good players,

29:59but like, do they have a guy? It's okay. We need to spam him and throw the ball to him 10 times. No, you're only afraid of Dr. Carr, the surgeon. I mean, that's the Notre Dame offense is like, scowl, you know what I mean? He just gets out there and it only works if they run the ball well early. And that's what I thought Wisconsin was doing good, is they were putting them in a lot of those third and long scenarios where they were able to not give them those clean looks, because Jordan Faizon's enough of an athlete to be able to go and find some open space. And CJ Carr is a good enough of a quarterback to be able to thread the needle, give it to him in a spot where you can even extend the play. But, I don't think you're wrong, you know, in terms of just putting a, we're putting a lot on the quarterback to elevate the level of his wide receivers if we're comparing them to the, shoot, decor and more, you know, the, just the level of. I'll be number one. Evan Stewart will be their number one. Yeah. Like the three questions I have for Notre Dame in, in a year, like very clearly good, very clearly a top 10 type team, right?

31:00Do they have a number one at receiver who actually scares you in a playoff, right? Because that mostly those other teams do. Do they have a real game record on the D line, right? Like as opposed to just a bunch of guys who are good. And his offensive line really is good as it's hyped up to be. Like I, they didn't face a lot of big time D lines down the stretch last year. I know they played well, but there's a difference when you step up in competition. So I don't think they answered those questions last night, but they also like those answers are against are still open and it's one game. And they still want and covered. Tom, would you make it the Irish? I mean, did they lose by 28 to a big 10 team? I know, right. I, it's like they won by 28 guys like I, I, yeah, they could, they could have been playing judging them by their standard as a national championship stand right to win the title. Yeah. So they won against a big 10 team by 28. They beat the conference, including the national title by 28 points. Pretty much in their backyard. We do this to Georgia. We do this to Oregon.

32:00Like we do this to the top five teams. I know, but it's just the way you guys like, I feel like the way we're discussing this game. We're talking about Wisconsin in a more positive light than we are Notre Dame. And Notre Dame won the damn game. Yeah, after that game, are you raising Wisconsin's power rating and you're docking Notre Dame's power running a little bit, right? This one, they covered it. If I'm raising Wisconsin's power rating and Notre Dame beat them by 28, why would I knock Notre Dame for winning and covering against the team that was better than I thought it was to begin with? Because they had tremendous turnover luck, pick six and and and fun will kick off. If you play that game again, there's no way you're, you could tell me your lay in the points with the Irish. They won by 28. Yes, it was flukeous hell by margin. Like they deserve to win the game. Winning by 28 was very fluke. I'm not crushing Notre Dame. I just think we're talking about it from are they good enough to win the national championship? And they still could be with one game. If they lined up today, Notre Dame or Oklahoma? Notre Dame. Notre Dame or LSU? LSU. LSU. Notre Dame or Indiana?

33:01Indiana. Yeah, Notre Dame or Oregon? Oh, we were just talking on Saturday night about how kind of iffy Indiana's defense looked. But now they're juggernauts? Well, I mean, obviously that was the juggernaut that is North Texas. I just, this is, listen, they won by 28 points. We're in it. I'm not arguing against your points. I'm not saying that there aren't concerns about the lack of a dominant skill position player. They won by 28 points, guys. It's like, I don't know. I mean, Jordan Faeson did have four catches for 80 yards. That's 20 yards per catch. That seems pretty dangerous. That seems explosive to me. You guys are ecke Mike. He had five catches for 25. It's also the island. I don't know. I watch. He didn't have two, 34 like Malikite Tony. I mean, sorry. Yeah, he did, but he wasn't playing Stanford either. He wasn't playing a Stanford. He was down like 15 players in their starting lineup. Well, and his average depth of target was 11, which goes back to my CJ car. Like, he just needs to send the lacrosse player out to him to find the open field.

34:02I'll throw it to you on the run. And then he goes to make the play and boom, that's a goal. Like, I think that the CJ car of this all is the story in a good way. Marcus Freeman after the game said, I was pressing. We were pressing. We weren't like all the way down in totally natural green Bay Packers stadium. The good opponent, a well coached opponent. Duntip, but he coaches well. And he is going to be able to get out there and like, bring the fight to you. And then what we started to see is the game went on. Was I think that everybody just let it loose and started to play within their, within the frame of it. And 28 to three is probably a more representative, more representative gap between those two teams in terms of Notre Dame, playing to its potential on offense and defense than the 13 to 10. Yeah. And like the run game struggled in the first half. And we see that all the time, first games of the season. Second half, that run game looked pretty damn good to me. That offensive line looked pretty damn good to me. I thought they looked fine in the second half. There were some iffy moments in the first,

35:04but Nias Williams looked pretty good to me. I don't know guys. He might not be during my love. He might not be a top 10 NFL draft thing, but he might be good enough. It's just a standard by wish review. You know, like I, I think they look actually like every bit like a top 10 team. I don't think that they showed me much. It's like a national title team. And we could also be massively over acting the LSU. The teams that like the Miami, like they might have looked awesome, but it was against, we know, maybe Wisconsin is way better than we thought too. Clips and all, yeah, do Clips and mess. And the reason why that comes to mind is something that Tom just mentioned. And that is the importance of Nias Williams to be able to deliver the consistency on early downs, being able to get that run game going and what it does to open things up for everything for CJ Carr. Williams finishes with 20 carries, 90 yards and two touchdowns, Nolan James. Tom gets in the mix as well. But what were some of the pieces of that, you know, just the simple, the simple bread and butter of football, what'd you get from Notre Dame in the second half

36:05from that run game that helped them be able to pull away? I mean, I think that they, I mean, honestly, it was just as simple as executing your blocks. I feel like in the first half, you know, this was a team that had moved their left tackle from last year to left guard. They had a new starting left tackle. And you see a lot of times early in the season when you've got new combinations on your offensive lines, some miscommunications, some mistakes. I feel that they went into the locker room at halftime, got that stuff dialed in, came out and looked much better in the second half, opening much cleaner holes and lanes for Williams, James, Kenjian, all of those guys. And I think they were just able to kind of, you know, hammer the rock home. They weren't really doing anything overly complicated. They were sticking to pretty basic principles and it was very effective for them. Those simple principles, effective execution, those are the practical plays that can lead to the kind of success Notre Dame is looking for in their pursuit of a national championship. Not going back to what we were talking about. I will agree. Notre Dame did not look as good against Wisconsin as Oklahoma did against you, tap. I'm going to have to, you're going to have to let that one go.

37:06I'm going to have to, sorry, he just spoiled one of his pun for the reviews. Coming up on the other side, a look back at the weekend that was a look at Monday nights matchup and more. Next. Back here on the cover 3 podcast every single Monday during the football season, we take a little bit of time because we go live on Saturday night by 11.30 p.m. Eastern time. There's still football going on and there's other football that needed that extra deep dive, that second look, that extra review. So we call it a pun further review. There were terrible calls. Do you want to go ahead and jump in? After further review, after further review. All right, Tom, you've been running the conference scoreboard. What's it, what's it revealing right now? I do believe that the ACC's bid at an at large died already already already weeks not done.

38:07Well, the only game left is an ACC versus an ACC game chip. It's hard to really help yourself, but like the SEC. You could hurt yourself though. The SEC 3 and 0 against power four teams in Notre Dame. Big 12 was 2 and 2. Big 10 was 1 and 1. The ACC got blessed some for playing the games, but you got to win some of them. And they went 1 and 5. Their only win was your beloved Tar Heels beating TCU 1 and 5 in Ireland. Georgia Tech lost a Colorado. Clemson got destroyed by LSU. Lost in college. Lost a Cincinnati. That was ever really going to be a thing. Cal lost UCLA and then Louisville lost all of this last night. I think the Louisville one really hurts because the rest of their schedule is super easy. But that means they also don't really have a chance to add to the resume. Like the toughest game you can argue on their schedule is SMU, which will kind of serve as a kind of knockout game for them. If we're assuming Miami wins the ACC at this point. When it comes to the end of the year, when you're looking at the 10 and 2 teams that didn't win their leagues,

39:09and the ACC is not going to be compared to Big 12 and Big 10 teams. And I think honestly, they're being compared to Big 12 teams. Whether they win the Big 10, they've lost a Colorado. They've lost a Cincinnati. Georgia Tech. There's not a lot going to go their way as far as tie breakers. It's a rough start for them. It feels like Miami or bust. Or you need Louisville to completely win out from here and then lose to Miami close in the ACC Championship. Or you need SMU to win, go into the ACC each day. I know they did, but yeah, exactly. So it's a very, very narrow path. I don't think anything's changed. We've got three teams where possibly they're Miami, Louisville and SMU. I think it's exactly the same that it was going into the season. I mean, Louisville's chances are done. If you were setting a line on playoff bids, ACC plus the Irish, you're juicing the under at minus 300. I need to be. Those are three related. Notre Dame plays a lot of AC teams.

40:11They do play Miami. They do play SMU. I don't see the ACC getting to win in almost any circumstance if the Irish also make it. What about the bid thief scenario? That's their best case scenario. Yeah. Yeah. One of the absolute one-low teams is blind. But I don't, I mean, we don't need to on September 7th, we don't need to be proposing bid thief. You know, we can just analyze it at and can you get in on your own merits. And the opportunities where they are in multiple places across the country for the ACC to pick up wins that greatly change their chances to win an at large conversation on their own merits without it having to be. Thank you, Connor. And all caps, you yell at them, Connor. You come here and tell them what is going on. How do we dare you? We've got Virginia already had one of those dominant teams. They got 18 offensive linemen that are 37 years old. I mean, come on. Oh, the fish is big. We have it going to be in our high teeth. There's a thing we have in our, we haven't forgotten for January. It's just who did Virginia beat in ACC team.

41:13Yeah. Like this is talking about at large. It's going to come down to how you compete against other leagues. They didn't help them in that respect. Do you think you think a same thing applies to the big 12? Because they, yeah, I think it's probably, I think it's, I think, I think, I don't think anything has changed. TTC was garbage. I think TCU loses to North Carolina. TCU lost North Carolina. Baylor G. I'm sorry. Dalvin didn't call Router did be Georgia Tech, but those are both bottom half teams in both leagues. I think, right? That's that's the thing about the big 12. We really don't know. And that's the thing about the ACC. We really don't know who the bottom half teams are. Like, yeah, you see, we have a big one this weekend. Yeah, we're not even included in Mason Heights, or the disrespect of pit in this conversation. And by the way, pit and Virginia both have big 12 matchups are coming up, right? West Virginia doesn't know how Virginia play West Virginia and pit plays Maryland or doesn't pit play a pit as a game coming up in non-conference. I think it's pretty good.

42:13UCF. That's where we're just. They play UCF this weekend. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. Big rebound. Let's go. Speaking of some of the conference scoreboard, Tom, the SEC teams went 16 and O and have an average margin of victory of 37.6 points per game over their opponent. The last time that every SEC school won its season opener was 1997. 1997. 14 of the six, oh, it's right there on the screen. I don't need to read my notes anymore. 14 of the 16 SEC teams, one five, 17 plus points. They're also tricks about AP ranked teams that blew out most of their opponents. So let's cut through it. Tom, this is. Please mention who they were. The opponents. This is what I'm about to do. This is this is this is this reflective of the conference of the matchups, the conference of the matchups. More of the matchups like on one hand, they did go three and oh against power four teams

43:17and that includes LSU completely dog walking Clemson. But Auburns went over Baylor came down to a two point conversion. Did you miss? Yeah. Yeah. Ole Miss beat Louisville on the last second field goal. Those are the three results that kind of, you know, tell the tale about how it goes. Because Mizubi dark and saw Pine Bluff by 40. Oklahoma beat U-Tep by 51. Georgia beat Tennessee State by 60. Texas beat Texas State by 52. Texas and M.B. Missouri State by 50. Alabama beat East Carolina by 38. Now these are all the kind of results you expect to see. But still, they did go undefeated and that includes in all three other games against P-14. So there's two sides to it. The numbers themselves are a little pointless. The fact that they're undefeated is what matters. You know, I'm kind of glad that a lot of those games were cupcake weekend, the weekend in November. I'm glad we kind of got them out of the way now. In November comes they'll be playing against each other. Not used to be when you'd schedule the FCS or the lower tier group of six. Get them out of the way now.

44:17That's a great point. We just watched the SEC's cupcake week. Yeah. And the good news is, which does make sense. The good news is if you're the SEC because we talked about this a little bit on Saturday. The bottom of the Big Ten struggled against teams that was supposed to overpower. Yeah. The SEC didn't really have that. Like Arkansas did not look good against North Alabama. Vandy kind of messed around a little bit with Austin P. But outside of that, even the team like Mississippi State concealed UL Monroe, which is typically what you want to see from that. Whereas the Big Ten comparatively, they had a lot of close calls. Well, we didn't get a chance to talk about it earlier when we were talking about the night cap. Washington. Yeah. Yeah, that was a lot of execution errors. J.Fish looks so pissed. So pissed. I don't want it to be. I do think I thought it was a bit...

45:17Oh yeah, it must be legal. But I do think one of the things within that game that I had no problem watching it live before half, they're up 10-3. They go forward on fourth and one from the goal line. He says, let's do it. And they were getting the ball out. So they could have gone up 17 to three, I think, at the time. Then they could have... Then they get the ball. They could have really controlled the game. Instead, they get shut down. Washington State goes into the locker rooms. As we got this, they get the stop. They hang around. It was like that was such a sequence. It was the worst-case scenario for J.Fish. Like he'd... And he'd chuck the headset after that when he thought they were going to be able to just mull them in. And the one thing I go back... And maybe this goes back to Kyle we're talking about the other day, and how we're nitpicking on these teams. I keep being reminded. It's hard to win college football games. Like it doesn't matter who you're playing against. If it's group of six, if it's... It's just... It's not easy. Especially you get a team who's kind of playing their hearts out and they're playing really good. So, yeah, do I feel underwhelmed from Washington?

46:18Yes, but you did get a win in a rivalry game. You were able to pull away late. But definitely sort of resetting some of those expectations for the Huskies. Yeah, I mean... Good job. They were plus three in turnovers. They only won by 14. They had 12 penalties for 130 yards. They kept extending LaZoo drives. Now, the good news for Washington, the best thing that happened to Washington in this game was that LaZoo is really bad. Like that is not a very good football team. Agreed. Like I think Demand is pretty reliably awful against good teams through the air. But I usually count on him to spam the bad. Oh. Oh no. Uh oh. Lost him. He doesn't have to during the... The reaction show too. What's called? But I just went full-demand against Ohio State. Just shelled up. No. Just completely collapsed. What's the got- no. I don't know what's going on with the internet, man. Shoot. Uh. There's back. You're good. I'm going to get Starlink.

47:18What uh... Uh... You normally count on Demand to be able to like overwhelm uh lesser opponent. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like I think they missed in Zell Boston. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You're a cool nut too. Yeah, I mean they were... They had negative EPA per dropback against Washington State. Then they have negative EPA on the game until like the fourth quarter? Yeah. Yeah. They hit some ice runs for sure. But like... And part of that was Demand running the ball. You know, uh... Just that passing game is not good. Right now. Like that is... That's a pretty major red flag for me with them. Yeah. I texted you guys during the game. I'm kind of out on Demand at this point. He's tiny. He's a good runner. He's not a special thrower. God, but he had such a good time with him. You know? It's so much like our improvement. Has anybody seen him or Tommy Kasselonis in the same room?

48:21I mean because they both were number one. I mean they're kind of are similar. They're both electric like runners. But they have a lot of improvement to do run the football. They were my... Tommy's were jacked. Yeah, it's gonna say that kind of rather have Tommy. He could survive it. If you had your ultimate draw, there's with Demand. When did you prefer to just run him 20... Like given his running ability, you'd prefer to spam the run with it, right? But you can't because he's so tiny. We've also never seen Kasselonis successfully operate like at all a real offense. I think Demand has like a big edge processing. Like Kasselonis only look good and stuff that is very Mickey Mouse, like a mouse on thing. It's fine. I'll just run a Mickey Mouse off. So with all of week one, not all of week one, obviously we're about to talk about SMU Florida State too. But LSU had Sam Levitt sitting court side and they were texting Demand.

49:22Boy, you might have missed the... Come on, touch a bullet on that one. Sam Levitt handled, equated himself much better in his season opener than I think Demand Williams is and that's an objective fact so far. All right, let's see what else for a pun further review from the notebook is out there. Anything? I can take us to a little bit below the fold, but I don't want to rush you into citadel in triple over time over Charlotte. But... That's a good call from the chat. We didn't take these Clemson Coke bottles down. This is not fitting. You're not meeting the standard of... Not meeting the standard of Bud's Coke bottle background. I'm going to go... We're moving the balls up. All right. Yeah. If he's on Brandon, I know it was Furman. Boy, what you want to see? That's what he's going right now. Something or nothing. That's what I was going to say. So, Faeson Brandon's five total touchdowns is the most total touchdowns in a season opener

50:27by an FPS freshman since 2000. So, something or nothing? Something? Something. Something. Something. Yeah. Good decision. Josh Hypert, yes? Something or nothing. JKS and turnovers. God, that often sucks. Man, no, like not the players, not like... I don't like the way they call that and design that thing. Like, I want what they ran last year back. That's rough. The game was tied and tight until it wasn't. In all the second half adjustments broke UCLA's way. I kind of think... I kind of think Bob Chesney got the better of our boy Tosh right there. Boy. Yeah. That's a... Hey, listen, good news, Bruins. Coaching upgrade. Right. Big time.

51:27Yeah, that was not a fair fight of coaching at all. Yeah. Tough scenes for something or nothing, JKS and turnovers. Because you were talking about not just interceptions, but fumbles as well. Something. That offense is so bad on early downs. It's nothing creative. It's garbage. And then it's like JKS save us on third and long. Which he did multiple times, but that's also going to yield turnovers. I expect that to continue unless the offense all of a sudden magically... What about the UCLA set? Michigan did win a national title, dude. Third and JJ. What about the UCLA set? Good, I mean, good Nico game. Not great. Not a great Nico game. Not a great Nico game, but like solid. The pick is definitely not on him. Like the one going into half, the receiver runs the wrong route, like clearly. They also didn't have their deep threat, my Zell.

52:27Right. Like I think that offense changes like the ability to take the like, take it over the top. If he's playing, I was pretty impressed. The defensively they looked fairly good. Brand the ball well. Yeah. They're just meek woods and way night are pretty good. Nico like playing really hard and spirited. And willing to like run the ball is nice. That's kind of... That's when I was thinking good, not great. I was imagining when he's just like taken off and will in his team by like, all right, we just need to get to the sticks, right? And I am maybe the most athletic person on this field right now. It's time for me to go make this thing happen. I thought that was an encouraging sign from your QB1. Who's in is what third offense in three years? You'll get two years in this unless it turns pro. Because he's one of those guys that gets next year's. Yeah. Great, great call. So, a little New Mexico corner here.

53:27Absolute clinic by the Lobos. Everybody's concerned about what it's going to be like without Jack Lane in there. You know, we got Luke Moge. We got Toa Fahave. And it would be two series for Toa, two series for Luke, two series for Toa, two series for Luke at halftime. Central Michigan's looking up. You're down 20 to nothing in both quarterbacks of lead multiple scoring drives against you. Jason X is going to be getting in that ass all season long. This is not going to be a fun team to play. To whom it may concern. That's how you handle a direct directional Michigan school right there. That's true. Locked him up. Good bounce back from UNLV. They had some kind of funky conditions and 121 to 6 against Hawaii on the island. Jackson Arnold does not do anything for me to inspire a downfield passing attack. But he's a great RB2. That's just straight from the no pad on this one. Arnold 99 yards on 15 recorded carries for two touchdown.

54:30Jaden Thomas, who we talked a lot the preseason. 147 yards in a score on 20 carries. It was. Yeah. It was it was on that point. Yeah. Like think of what Davis Warren did against Hawaii a week ago. And who Davis Warren was at Michigan and we kind of did document. You know what Davis looked pretty decent against Miami too. Then compare that to what Jackson Arnold did against that same Hawaii secondary. At its yeah. 68% run rate at 6.44 yards per run. Dan Mullin on some big. What we're just going to keep running until they stop it. You know, kind of energy. So 15 design carries for Jackson Arnold. RB2 baby. Jaden Thomas is great. RB1 Jackson Arnold is a great RB2. No recorded pass. No throws for orgy that we did get in the game. Recorded a couple carries as well. Anything else from from the notepad before we do a quick little look ahead to tonight.

55:31Only because you brought it up. Shocked how much man free stand for playing against Miami. Like they were just like, you know what we're going to continue to work on the defense that we want to play. Is it going to work against Miami? Not a chance. But we we guys we need to keep getting these game reps like this might work in some of these other AC games. And they were not like playing to keep it close against Miami. They were going to run their stuff. They were playing to the tape. They were playing. They were playing to make sure that we've got these good these good live. You know, it's stand for. They're very concerned about player safety. So we really minimize our good tape reps for the games themselves. Got to protect those brains. Yeah, absolutely. These are leaders of tomorrow. Come on. Anything else for I mentioned that the citadel Charlotte conclusion was crazy. Cit. That I was a not a great look for Charlotte at all. It was very much sitting in that one thirty seven one thirty eight debate. Citadel was jacked man. I mean, that was a it's a fun hard fought you get to triple over time against an FPS team.

56:35You get the win. I was I was I was moved by that. Another late night game. Did you guys catch Nevada's box score here against Western. Oh, they killed them. Dude, a cool three twenty three on the ground. Um, that is that's more than change in elevation. That's yeah, that's that's a toppers. Toppers might have trouble being stoppers here in here in twenty twenty six. Toppers. Toppers ain't stoppers. Is it with the group if that's what you're going to be doing on the trip to Reno. Um, okay. Bob check for tonight. Danny, you're in Tallahassee. First word to you. Well, do you make in the drive over? No, okay. I just want to waste gas money. I just want to waste it. It's going to be hot. It's hot. It is so hot. Oh my gosh. It's brutal. Nervous, nervous energy around town.

57:35Talking to fans. I think we have a chance. Are we going to get smoked? I think it is imperative. Absolutely imperative. And I do think Mike Norvell is a pretty good game planer coming out. I think it's going to be a good game planer. Yeah. I think it's going to be a good game planer. You know, skiing up some things, some shot plays that you can get guys open. I think it's imperative that they start out. Moving the ball. Getting some, some positive mojo. If they don't, that's what I worry about a little bit for the Noles. Because if that, the crowd's going to be mumbling, you know, if they have a couple three and out to start hearing booze. But. I mean, they just, they clearly have to play a lot better. We'll see if those backs can carry them again. Other thing we don't know is Kevin Jennings. Where's his hand? How is his, how's his hand? Is that impact potentially his ability to throw the football? I agree. I think you got to run Daniels a lot more in this game. To even out the numbers in the run game kind of gets a nice stuff in your favor. You know, I saw Darryl DeCier is downgraded to doubtful.

58:36That's not great, which is not great because their backups are. I'm pretty doubtful. Their backups are any good at football. So. That's probably not good. But yeah, like if Jennings hand is healthy, I think they'll, I think they'll win by double digits. I don't think this team is very good. If you took the jerseys off these guys. I don't see it. It's just it's so much easier to say we're going to run it back. We're going to make, you know, improvements allegedly to the front office and stuff. It's easier to say it the next to live it for for 12 games. And now they're having to live it. Done with the doomerism. No, it was money line. Come on. Oh, come on over to our side, baby. That's the best one. Everybody, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, there was, it was not a clean operation last week. The explosives were there in like New Mexico state hit a couple prayers when they were under pressure. The quarterback just heaved a ball down the field and luckily found a guy for a touchdown. It was a breakdown. It was fine.

59:36It was the first game of the week. It was, you know, communication errors. You expect that in the first game of the season. Got the game under their belt. They're at home. You're against an SMU team that hasn't been able to iron out those wrinkles yet. Those are got something for them. They're going to win tonight. You'll see when they do remember who told you. Woohoo. What do you think? 34 or 24? Knowles by 10? No, no, no, no, no. I'm going to say 27, 23 Florida state. Oh, let's go. It'll be a good atmosphere. Danny's there. We just have the jets flying over Pracks in the fly over there. 15. It's go. Yeah. Brady Bucket's is there. That's the secret. I know. That's the secret weapon. She's ready to go. We are going to be able to give a little bit of a reaction and a word at 11 a.m. Eastern time on Tuesday back to that regular 11 a.m. Starting point. Thanks to everybody who came to join us live. We appreciate you adjusting your schedule here on this Labor Day holiday.

1:00:38We had to accommodate some of our holiday schedules, travel and things of that nature. And you as well, we want to get you on and rockin' and rollin' with your holiday. We are going to be back at 11 a.m. on Tuesday. We'll have a little bit on SMU Florida state. But really, it is still our Tuesday order of business. And the Tuesday order of business is going to be making sure that we get you set with big game breakdown. The very biggest games of the week. We're going to start to take you inside that matchup. And as you know, and as a lot of people are talking about in the tailgate before we got started, it's a monster week. We'll have Ohio State Texas big game breakdown. We'll have Oklahoma Michigan big game breakdown. Conference play getting started in the SEC and elsewhere and a CBS double header for us to tell you all about Mississippi state at Minnesota. So the Texas Tech at Oregon state lots of fun to be able to break down. Mason blue 72 is not looking confident in the Wolverines. In addition, by the way, Michigan's press conference this week.

1:01:41Fun little nugget for me to scramble back and listen to Kyle Wittingham. But do we see Tommy Carr against Oklahoma? I don't know. Could be interesting things. We'll have all those commentary and more on big game breakdown. Again, that's coming up Tuesday at 11 a.m. Eastern time. And you can follow him on Twitter. Tom can follow him at Danny can now follow him at plato 8.3. You follow me at chip underscore Patterson gentleman. Thank you very much. See ya. Out of the shadows of Paramount mountain. Three heroes level up at Tyrus and Gillian. Battle against the evil giant death batter to save the kingdom of Urea from so much peril. These are nice ordinary dwarves and brothers. Sentience killer to swords for be a death armor. Fire in this thing. That thing. Whatever that is. So much peril and heroes. This is just the beginning of the story of Hampton's Web. Golden that. Su-Series streaming September 16th on Paramount+.