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Here's Paul Pugmeyer and Jen Brownstein.

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I am Paul Pugmeyer, your host and the president

of Firste, Utah.

I'm sitting here with our co-host, Jam Brownstein.

Jam, good morning.

Good morning, Paul Pugmeyer.

We waking you up, Jen?

No, I've been awake for a while.

I mean, it's a beautiful day.

It is that golf weather.

Good golf weather.

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I'm sorry, good golf weather.

So I'm pretty excited about that.

And my tournament, my Marshmallows bracket

is still alive and well.

I still have my final four.

Who is in your final four?

I have Yukon, Florida, Gonzaga, and Iowa State.

And who do you have winning?

I have Yukon winning.

OK.

Very good.

You feel good about that.

Well, I hope so.

I will tell you that every time they have won the tournament,

I've called it.

Oh, really?

Well, Yukon is not a hard pit.

Not a hard pit.

Yeah, it's not a hard pit.

It's not a hard pit.

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Well, when we play golf, a lot of times

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And then we end up saying it with the word sauce.

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So we have all the girls go golfing how hats.

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OK.

And girls go golfing has a trip coming up.

We do have a trip.

It's our fifth annual trip to page.

And we are so excited.

We are so excited.

We've got a Lake Powell National Golf course.

And we play three days of tournament golf.

And we have a lot of fun.

And it's coming up quick.

I've got a lot of work to do.

Nice, nice, nice.

Yeah.

That's good work to do, though.

What a cool trip.

How many people are going?

We only have 15 this year, 16.

It's 16.

Sounds like a good group.

But we do plan everything from the minute they

wake up to the minute they go to bed.

We have a plan.

And it's four foursons.

Yep.

All right.

Yep, we're good times.

Jan, we need to talk about Hobble Creek.

Oh, can we please?

Oh my gosh.

Well, it's like a love sad thing.

It's a sad thing.

Let's start with the love part.

We all love Hobble Creek.

It's on everybody's list of favorite.

It's on my top five.

Yeah, it's on everybody's top five list.

Everybody's list of favorite five courses.

It's on mine.

But this last week, they had a wind storm

and sustained real significant damage.

We have with us now Craig Norman, the head golf professional

at Hobble Creek and the president of the Utah section.

We want to hear all about it.

Craig, good morning.

Welcome to the show.

Good morning, Paul.

Good morning, Jan.

How are you doing?

We're good.

Craig, how are you?

How's about you?

I'm great.

OK, how's your golf course, Craig?

You know what?

We opened back up yesterday.

We're on regular two times now again.

You know, from what it looked like last Sunday

to what it looked like yesterday,

it's literally amazing.

The crews that were there from the city,

we had our whole electrical tube dry kind of drop

everything and come and help us with tree removal.

That first day, it was absolutely amazing what they did.

I mean, we probably had 16 mature pines anywhere

from 50 to 75 feet tall that literally are on the ground.

In addition to a bunch of old cotton loads, you name it.

I mean, I all told trees you had to cut off the golf

course, probably in an area of 25 to 30.

If you look into the oak around the course,

you could probably count another 50 at least.

I mean, it was sustained winds.

They set over 80 miles an hour.

What direction, what direction were the winds coming?

They were coming, born west to east up the canyon.

Up the canyon, OK.

Yeah, I mean, it actually one of the big trees down

on the bottom actually hit up one of the houses down below,

down below the first tee down that way.

I know.

I mean, it was kind of crazy.

No idea that it really even happened.

I mean, I live in not too far from the mountain canyon.

And we had wind, but nothing out of the ordinary.

I mean, it felt like it was maybe 15 to 20 outside.

But up the canyon, they said sustained winds over 80.

So I'm crazy.

Walk us through that morning.

What was that like?

I got a text from my superintendent.

We'll after seven.

And he just said, you know, he sent me pictures.

I mean, the pictures were bad, but it didn't really

do it justice till I got there about a half hour later.

Like I said, the trees were one thing that was kind of amazing,

but the amount of debris that had come out of the trees

and was on the golf course.

I mean, because we were really looked pretty good over the weekend.

And then Saturday night Sunday, it was, I mean,

it's just like put in a layer of, I don't know how to describe it,

just debris, twigs, branches, pine cones, leaves, you name it.

I mean, it just looked like something out of a, I don't know.

I don't know whether they call it outer space, maybe or what.

It was just pretty surreal.

And like I say, the trees were cleaned up.

We had a pretty good feel on the trees.

Mundy, we had three cotton woods that were on the back nine

that needed to be moved, but we couldn't get those till Tuesday.

But the cleanup after that was what,

I mean, we had great support from our men's association.

They were up there picking up stuff, cleaning up stuff.

We had to, well, what we decided was, once we got the big stuff cleaned up,

we just brought in some rotary mowers from the city and we have ours.

And we basically just fleetied the whole golf course, trying to mulch

everything off that we couldn't pick up.

So then did you have to, wow, did you have to go after

and rake or vacuum it after that?

We did some of that.

We blew everything to the sides of our men's association,

and picked up everything that was bigger than the mowers would handle.

And then we just mulched it basically just ran mowers.

And yesterday it looked great.

I mean, you wouldn't even, other than missing trees,

you wouldn't really have done a problem.

What about, what about holes in the ground?

There's a few we got some work to do there.

We'll bring in fill.

We'll have to either see or saw them.

We got to get some stubs grinded out on a few of them and a few things like that.

There's still some work to be done, but we're back playable.

There's going to be certain holes that's going to play a lot different now.

It's almost like, go ahead.

You know, of the pine trees, if I remember the count right,

I think 15 of them were off the front nine, 15 to 16.

The only last one on the back nine, which seems kind of weird.

But we lost three big cotton loads of good on the left side of 13.

So think about that t-shop that you had.

It totally changes like, I mean, it's, it almost looks wide open now.

Oh, it'll never be wide open.

Well, no, but compared to what it was.

Yeah, I mean, you had to phone that down there pretty good.

The trees have got big and tight and it's opened up the fairway again.

So just kind of crazy.

I mean, it was out of nowhere.

We didn't expect it didn't see a coming, but to get what we got done in that short of time frame,

it just goes to show you what good hard work and some,

I mean, if you got the right equipment are like part and by everything they had.

So that was, that was tremendous.

We have a tree crew that was works in the city.

They were there part of our water department.

Was there driving dump trucks to haul stuff off?

Yeah, it was pretty big effort.

So, so basically Mother Nature forgot to call you and tell you that they were doing some landscaping.

Yeah, it's a hollow creek and just, and so she gave you some new designs.

Yeah, it's crazy.

I mean, Paul, you played our golf course a lot.

You go down like number eight, for example, if you hit the ball down the left and there were two great,

big pines kind of down there somewhere around 130, 140 yards.

And if you got it over there, you were completely blocked out.

Both those trees are, yeah, I wouldn't know about that.

Yeah, he doesn't hit over there.

He doesn't hit over my office.

I actually went out there and looked just see if I had a shot.

Nice.

Yeah, the, if you were to hold the art city today, would you need, would you need much white paint on the course?

So, what, what, what, what, what, definitely, I mean, it didn't surprisingly, I mean, you can thank Mother Nature for the dryness, too,

because we were able to get that big equipment out there without really doing a lot of damage.

So, the fact that the course was dry and not wet, huge.

I mean, is there some stuff to fix out there?

Sure there is, but nothing, I mean, imagine if we'd have been really wet.

Yeah, he would have been able to wait.

Yeah, so it was kind of a, I mean, it was, I don't know, what the right term would be, double it, sort.

Yeah, we had a lot of damage, but because of what was going on,

we were able to go out and fix it pretty quickly.

Wow, and you're already filled up because we didn't think we'd be open this quick.

Well, and I came to see you on Thursday, well, I came to see Joel on Thursday,

and we looked at the T-sheet and it had just opened that morning at seven.

And there wasn't anything available on Saturday until four o'clock.

Oh, no, it looked all great, it absolutely took so, but I am playing tomorrow.

So I did get into time for tomorrow, so I'm very excited to see what Mother Nature has done.

Yep, it'll be, yeah, I'm curious what you think.

Okay.

Like I said, the back nine, not a ton.

Most of us just clean up on the back.

Any of the three big cottonwoods, obviously, but other than that, not the only

pine that came down on the back nine was in a clump of probably eight, nine trees

and how it singled the one out at there that's beyond me.

I don't understand, but we had to have them in a couple of places.

We had multiple trees and it picked one.

Well, two of a group is so random, it's just crazy.

I'm pretty interested to see 13 now that you talk about.

Yeah, I always stand there on the tee and try to be smart and play it to the open parts.

And then I pull the driver and blast it as far as I can.

Yeah, no, I understand.

I get it.

Yeah, I don't have to worry about trying to hit it far anymore, but yeah.

But it is, it is a, and my thinking normally Craig is, okay, if I pull it off and I hit

that maximum 20 yard sweet spot and it's probably less than that with the overhang, if I hit

it, they're great.

And then you've got a wide open second shot into that par five.

Yeah.

If not, I figure, okay, I bumped something up the fairway and I mean, just literally

a little bump shot and, okay, it didn't work.

Now I'm playing it as a way to make a birdie that way, yeah, exactly.

But still, I am very interested to see that now, but I'm thinking about those trees.

There's going to be the holes of an effect of the most, I think there's going to be number

eight.

Okay.

That would be one, because if you hit a left of all, you really didn't have much shot.

Now you've at least got a chance, I think, depending on what, you know, obviously you

could still get in trouble, but yeah, I can't go too big ones.

They were, they made it a chip out from most people over there.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Just chip outside.

Yeah.

Sure.

Now, yeah, it might actually be able to turn something up around there.

Okay.

The one on nine doesn't, I mean, it was just down the right side and there's still trees

there.

Like to say, that was one of them that kind of, and then up by the green on the right side

of nine, three, nine, one, there was a bunch of trees that came out there.

What sounds like the trees were really in play.

If you remember, the probably the biggest tree that came down, if you remember coming

off number three to number four T and right as you made the turn on the car path, there

was a great big pine right there, you kind of put your car by the walk to the teeth.

That one came down.

Oh, really?

Wow.

Yeah, I see the whole lot left.

I mean, it's just crazy, because it was kind of on the slope of the hill besides and

when that whole root system came out and it took a roots and all.

And yeah, pretty crazy stuff.

No one was hurt.

No one was hurt.

Like I say, how happened to night, thankfully, no one was on the golf course.

No one was there.

So that part was good, just a kind of a funny side note with all those pines on the

ground.

You cannot believe how many golf balls came out of those trees.

Wow.

I was just thinking that.

I wonder.

I mean, everywhere a tree was laying, I'll bet you there was 30 or 40 golf balls.

That's how many you ended up with.

Yeah.

That's funny.

And then one one final question, clubhouse, all that's okay.

Nothing structurally got hit.

We had three or four shelters on the course, they're all still there.

Nothing that the clubhouse was damaged.

That was kind of a miracle.

I mean, not a thing.

It did tear up a couple of sprinkler lines, but honestly, they were out of the old system,

so yeah, that part was really good.

No damage to the clubhouse, nothing, just like say, and you've now proven that trees do

eat balls.

They do.

That was, I just laughed every time I went by point, I'd see 20 or 50 balls laying on the

ground.

That's great.

Well, okay.

Okay.

All right.

We got to change subjects here while we got you on the phone, Craig.

Okay.

Little retirement action this week.

Yes.

Yes, sir.

What up, dude.

Tell us about it.

I just, it was time.

Okay.

What can I say?

I mean, I've had a great career.

I love it.

I still love it.

I'm.

I'm just tired.

I'm just tired.

You've.

You've.

You've.

You've heard that.

Yeah.

You've already heard.

I just.

I thought it was the right time.

I still love what I do.

But I didn't feel like I could do it to the level I want to do it.

That's about mine.

That's fair.

That's fair.

You know what?

I got six grandkids running around.

I got a wife who's put up with my career for 40 something years.

I'm going to do something else.

I've got a little side gig lined up.

Let me fit in clubs.

Okay.

Where would you do that?

Just wherever I'm going to go to work.

I'm going to go for work for paying part time and just do fittings for.

This is what I was talking about.

I mentioned this on a Facebook post.

I said, I am really curious to see what retirement looks like.

Recruitment.

Yeah.

Because it doesn't.

It's not really retirement.

You're going to do what you get to do.

You get to.

Exactly.

That's exactly what I said.

I want to.

I got three little grandsons that really want to play.

And you know what?

I'm sure my future still has golf in it.

I've got a couple more years, two or three more years involved with the section.

And I'm not going away from that.

I want to, you know, it gives me more time to help with them.

My wife has already told me.

I can't follow her around all day.

Every day.

I think she has her routine.

And it's good.

I'm looking forward to it.

It wasn't an easy decision.

I went back and forth a lot, but it just feels like it's kind.

When is the, when is it official?

When's the last day?

Well, I mean, officially it's the end of the month of 31st.

Okay.

That I'm pretty much, I've got a little bit of time I have to use before then.

So it's pretty much done.

So I'll be around.

So then they're, then they're going to close Hobbler Creek, right?

Because they can't do that.

No, Hobbler Creek will be just fine.

It will.

So in fact, it's probably in, I hope I left it better than I found it.

I feel like I did.

Yeah, you did.

But Hobbler Creek will be just fine.

Who will be there?

And I like, I look forward to going up the canyon just to play.

There you go.

You don't have to worry about a thing.

I want to walk in and be a paying customer and just enjoy it.

Well, I'll, I'll have that that I share with you Craig,

because every time I drive up the canyon, it's to play Hobbler Creek.

Yeah.

And I, and I thought, this is it.

This is my last work day.

No, I'm the next one's going to be fun.

And they've all been fun.

I mean, it's been a great career.

I've enjoyed it.

There's some saying I don't, I'm in a butcher of the club.

But if you enjoy your job, you, you never work at the end of your life.

Yeah.

Most days, I feel like that.

Honestly, most days I do have they picked a successor.

It's in the, it's in the works right now.

OK, it's in the works.

We should know something hopefully next week.

We'll keep our eyes on that.

Craig, I'm so glad that you will still be around.

You are such a part of the fabric of the Utah game.

I seriously just can't imagine it and don't want to imagine it without you.

I appreciate that.

But it's, I could say, it's been one, it's been a heck of a ride.

I was sitting there thinking the other day, I started working at old temp golf course

for Dave Kroten running cards in about 1973.

Yeah.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

That's, that's, that was 53 years ago.

Well, you have, you have, I've enjoyed every minute of it.

I really have.

We started this conversation by saying how hobbel is on everybody's top five list of

favorite courses in Utah and you have been a worthy steward of this gem.

And we are deeply grateful to you, deeply grateful for you and congratulate you on a career

well done.

Well, thanks Paul.

Yeah.

That means a lot.

They really does.

Coming from you.

That's great.

You guys are, you guys are awesome.

Well, thank you so much, Craig.

Thanks for joining us and we'll look forward to seeing you soon.

Okay.

Thanks, Craig.

Have a good time.

You too.

All right.

We'll see you.

That is Craig Norman soon.

The former at golf professional of hobble creek golf course telling us about.

It'll be a lot of years before you don't associate those two together.

You know, it might be forever.

It might be forever.

And the new guy that comes in is not going to be the new guy.

He's just going to be the guy that replaced.

He'll have to establish his own way.

He won't, he won't be Craig Norman.

Yeah.

But I don't know.

I don't think he's.

No, he has to choose to fill though.

Whoever it is, I don't, I don't think they'd want to be.

No, they have to bring in their own flavor.

They need to be there.

Their own self.

But, but holy cow, Craig Norman.

What a, what a mark he's left on the game.

And, and like I said, he has been the keeper of this absolute treasure.

Yes, he has.

And we know this and we love him for it because we love that.

He has been at the level of the golf course all those years.

No small thing.

You don't say that lightly.

And then look what he just managed.

He just managed the, the, the wrath of Mother Nature.

I mean, it was the, it was the landscape.

And I run it.

Yeah, I was.

But I mean, obviously if he, they did it.

Maybe it was a test.

It was just that one last thing he had accomplished before he left.

Maybe so.

It's his greatness.

All right.

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So I would like to make a little note here.

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I know.

Can you even believe it?

I can, and it can't.

It's like wow.

Well, it is fascinating to see that.

He is getting his sea legs under him.

Uh, he.

He played well at the players.

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it out at ScottGolf.com. Jan, how are the UPod's doing? Well, Tony, last week was at the players.

He finished T70 plus eight, 296 on rounds of 69, 75, 75, and 77. Made the cut, played the weekend,

but at the same time, he's also sitting in 61, sitting at the 61 first place. So, or, you know,

numbers. That's good too. Yeah. He has been underperforming for what we have come to know and expect

from Tony. Hopefully he'll come on strong. We hope. Yes. Okay. This week, they're at the Valsbar

Championship, and Tony, he now sits currently at T10 minus four on around one or excuse me,

138 on around 69 and 69. Yeah. So, let's pause there for a minute. So, top 10 going into the weekend,

which is exactly what we were saying. However, he had a strong start at the players. The question

will be, how does he do on the weekend? And I'm left with the question. If he has a tough weekend,

he had a tough weekend before. Is there something lingering in his surgically repaired foot that

starts to wear him down after three, four days? I don't know. That is 100% a question on my part.

But it is a pattern that I think raises the question, something we need to keep our eye on.

For sure. Okay. So, Patrick Fishburn was also at the Valsbar. He sits currently T16 minus 3139

on around a 68 and 71. Go fish. Go fish. Let's do this. And then Zach unfortunately did play,

but he missed the cut. He missed it plus five, 147 on rounds with 71 and 76. Pretty strong start,

and then faded for Zach. Yeah. But that's okay, because Zach will get his get his way back.

He always does. He always does. Zach finds a way. So, Mike Weir is currently on the Champions

tour, and he is the Colorguard classic. He sits T25 minus two on a first round of 69.

Okay. All right. The Colorguard's being played in Tucson, where they are dealing with the heat wave.

Oh my goodness. It's a buck 10 down there. And it's March. I know, right? A few leaves you worried

about the summer. So friends in Arizona. Yeah. All right. We need to send some love to David Lickty.

David Lickty is the mountain America credit union player of the week presented by Fairways magazine.

He won winter champs. And boy, howdy. Did he make a statement? Bam. Shot a stroke play 61 for the

opening round at Copper Rock, establishing a new competitive course record. And then he followed

up with enough to get the job done the next day at Sun River, the Utah Tech freshman won

his second UGA championship. Holy cow. This is his first. I said there on his first UGA championship.

But his second win on tournaments that includes Sun River, he won the Southern Utah Open

down at Sun River. He's kind of on a little bit of a heater. He's been playing well lately. Yeah,

he got himself a college win a couple of weeks ago. And then this David Lickty, the mountain

America credit union player of the week presented by Fairways magazine. We will hear more from Lickty

and from the women's winter champs champion, Navy hubs. When we come back on the other side,

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You got to check out a t-Box near you. Jan, the UGA has put in the books. It's an

odd year old opening championship for the 2026 championship season. I'm talking winter

champs contested last week in St. George and we are we were there. We were at at Copper Rock for

the beginning of the the the first round for the men. The first round was at Copper Rock.

Little did we know, although it's not a total shock, the David Lickty was going to go out that day

and shoot a course record. 61 good for 58. Holy cow, 58. Stable for points in this stable

for the event. So Lickty ended up winning by four points. He had 96 for four point margin over

Kenny Palmer who was in second place at 92 points, Peyton Hastings, formerly University of

Utah golfer, Peyton Hastings, solo third at 88 points, Drake Harvey, the defending champion,

defended well. He finished fourth at 87 points and Ben Wilson of the University of Utah

is at 86 points. He was in fifth place to round out the top five. But Lickty was the story of

this event. Just blew the doors off things on the Saturday round at Copper Rock with that 61

good for 58 points. Clean card obviously and it included let's say it was three seven eight,

eight birdies and an eagle. That will get you to 61. And his second round was it was a bit

more colorful, a bit more shape. He had three double bogies on that round, which is really odd for a

winner. But he also made five birdies and then of course had the big lead from the first day.

Yeah. But then there was one thing as we talk about winner champs this year that should be noted.

The first day was spectacular weather. Absolutely. It was chamber of commerce day. It was a postcard.

It was everything you could hope and more. Absolutely perfect sterling weather. Beautiful.

And the next day was not. Were you able to hang around Jan?

No, we didn't. You didn't. Okay. I was there. But I heard it gotten gnarly.

Oh, we got gnarly indeed. At at Sun River for them in the second day, T times were postponed.

Oh boy. Because it was simply too windy to play. And the second day at Copper Rock, it was

blustery and cold reminiscent of what we experienced for the play internament. The Copper Rock.

It was so nice that morning though. Yeah. Well, it should. And then it just got gnarly.

It got cold. We said that. But so the second day was a very different experience.

We of course spoke with both winners, David Lickty for the men and Navy hubs for the women.

And we did a podcast that you can get more detail on the winter champs.

And it is available wherever you get your podcasts. Just do a search on Utah Golf Radio.

You can find it there. Subscribe, please. And you can check out what this in more detail.

But let's play a short version of our winners interview with David Lickty. Here is David Lickty,

the 2026 winter champs champion. David, congratulations. Yeah, thank you. It's pretty cool,

man. It's really a great thing. And this is a fun tournament to win because of the format.

But holy cow, we need to talk about your round at Copper Rock yesterday.

I don't care what the format was. That was spectacular. Tell us about it.

Yeah. I bought a new putter like two days ago. And that was the first tournament with it.

And I just made everything I looked at. I think I had 11 pots on the front line.

So and it was like my like my ball striking was fine. Like it wasn't anything special.

It was just like if I was on the green, there was like a solid chance I was making it.

Okay, so I'll want to know what the putter is because we're going to go get it.

Yeah, it's the same one as Scotty Chef was using. Yeah, just the spider. So yeah.

Okay, fantastic. So you'll be able to let this big lead after the 61 at Copper Rock and look,

you still hold everything out. That was still a competitive record on that golf course.

Come out here, send River today knowing what you had to do. You didn't did it.

What was what was the mental process like knowing what you had to do?

Yeah, I mean, having a five shot or eight point, I don't know how that transfers lead is nice,

but it was kind of just like it could especially a stable for it. It could be gone pretty quick.

Like someone can make a couple birdies and it's you're right back. So I got off to a pretty bad

start. I made like bogey double to start and I was like, okay, well, it's going to be closer

than we wanted it to be. But kind of hit. I think I hit a really good shot on three. It was like,

can't remember how far it was, but straight into the win. I hit like a

flight at four iron to 25 feet and that settled me down a little bit. But it was just kind of,

I don't know, I had a lot of mistakes today. Like I need to clean that up. I think I had

three doubles. And I was talking to Oscar in the cart today. I was like, I think the only way

someone wins a tournament with three doubles is if it's a stable for a tournament,

if you shoot 61 the first day, and if it's going 40 miles an hour. And I got all three of those

today. Yes, you did. But you had your dad down there with you today. And in addition,

your coach at Utah Tech, Brad Setterfield, was that a calming influence for you?

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I love both those guys. They've been great people in my life,

especially Sutter for the last six months getting to know him a little more has been cool.

Like I mean, I'm known my dad my whole life. I'm not at all putting him down. Like he's

absolutely amazing. He's one of my favorite people on the planet. But yeah, it's been

cool getting to know Sutter as well and have another person to look up to. Yeah, that's

we are. We all understand that. That's really cool. We need to talk about Senator.

This course has been good to you. It's been really good on yet. What is it about Senator

that makes you feel like this? I think some of it's like the par-fives, like the three par-fives

on the back nine. It gives you a lot of chances to make birdies. And then I think it just like

kind of suits my eye pretty well. I mean, I've thought about it a lot. And I'm not entirely sure

why I do well here. But I kind of tend to do well. So just keep doing that. Well, so in Utah open

and winter champs, yeah, that's pretty good. What does it mean to you to get this trophy?

Yeah, I mean, it means so much. I think, like, I just, I love winning golf tournaments. It's like,

it's nice to get another win on the run, but I have had a couple rough months, like my swing

hasn't felt great. I've been kind of slapping it around. So to get a win, it means a lot. It means

my game's trending. So yeah. Just keep it up. Okay. All right. Well, congratulations.

We really appreciate it. So there we are, David Lickty. Some interesting things there, Jan.

What jumps out at you that he knows the the process of what it's going to take or the you

can't win a tournament with three double bogies on the card. And unless it's a stable herd,

unless you get the course record, and unless you get 40 mile an hour win, so you've got all

these things together. And he just, and he's just, he's just so okay with everything, you know,

and it's just that's just that was how my day went. Yeah, that's how it went. Well, he did what he

had to do. Yeah. And, and it it wasn't up and down day for him. He made five birdies.

It's not like he was smelling up the joint. He didn't go out and shoot 90. Yeah, but again,

double bogies on a card. No, just rough. Well, the stats are against you, especially

numbers are against you in every way. Yeah. But regardless there it was. And

fun, fun thing. You know, I said, we're all going to go out and buy one of those

putters. Yeah, I was going to say same thing. Yeah, exactly, right. So just to be clear,

those of you who are getting ready to run to you into and buy one of these putters,

it is exactly the Scotty Sheffler one. It's the spider with the putter neck. Excuse me,

I meant to say with the plumber neck and the one inch super stroke grip. So yeah, that's what

he bought in Holy cow. He was making a lot of pets with it. Look at it. I mean, look at that

first. Look at that card. Look at that card. All right, Navy hubs. One, the women's division.

She had 76 points for a three point margin over Jane Olson. And Mia Ciceric was in third place.

Samantha Falen was in fourth place. Kate Walker and Rachel Lilley White were T five.

Hard to miss that Olson Ciceric Falen. Yeah, you talk tech players and Walker on her way.

But it was Salem High senior Navy hubs, who is the current Utah junior stadium champ. And so this

gives her her hands on two UGA championships at the same time, quite an unusual thing among the

youngest ever to do that. And Craig Thorpe and Randy Dodson and I were texting around this past

week trying to figure out if it's been done before records are scant, but seems like she might

be the youngest ever to do it. Navy does pretty substantial win. And again, the second day at Copper Rock

in addition to being windy was just downright cold. And so we want to hear from Navy. Let's do that

right now. Let's play the tape. Navy hub. Maybe congratulations. You got another UGA championship.

Well played. Thank you. Thank you so much. So this one was hard in a lot of ways. Let's just talk

about the playing conditions to start with. The opening day Saturday. Saturday was a lovely day.

But our Sunday Lesso, Copper Rock, the fan turned on and it was chilly as well. Tell us about that for

you. Yeah, the first day it was awesome. It was amazing weather. And then the second day it was

just windy, windy conditions. And it was cold in the morning and stayed a little chilly, but the

wind was just so strong the whole day. But you know, it's a good test to see how you can play

different shots. But yeah, it was tough. It was indeed. And yet in those cold, windy conditions,

you started off really strong going par birdie par on the day. Tell us about your three on the

par four second. Yeah, that one, the wind was just behind us. So I just let loose on the driver

and got it up close to the green. And I had a little bit of a tricky chip, but I just like

hit it in the front of the green and let it bounce up there and luckily got it close enough to

just tap it in for birdie, which felt nice to get off to a smooth start. But yeah.

Yeah, sometimes those short shots downwind can get away from you in a hurry.

Yeah, definitely. So things were tight. Your main competitor was Jane Olson,

whom you ended up beating by by three points when it was all said and done. Tell us about the

the things are tight on the front nine. You make the turn. You go to the back. But that's really

where things turned around. You go birdie par birdie, 10, 11, 12. And she at the same time was going

par bogie par. So made up a bunch of points in that three whole stretch. Pretty crucial. Tell us

about that. Yeah, the whole day I honestly didn't know where I was sitting. I honestly thought

I was losing. I had no idea because she was just playing so well on the front. And so when I made

the turn, I was just like, well, let's just try to get as many points back as we can. So I just

started focusing on the process. And yeah, I had no idea, but I'm glad that I just fought through it.

Did you know where things stood coming down the stretch because you opted to or forced to pick

up on 18? Did you know you had it in the bag at that point? Where were things in that difficult

finishing stretch at Copper Rock? Honestly, I thought I had lost. I think that I had won it all.

But so when I finished and picked up, I was like, just assuming that Jane had won and

then my dad came up to me and gave me a hug. And it's like, good job. I'm like, what are you

talking about? So I had no idea, which honestly probably helped not knowing. So my nerves were not

as bad, but yeah, 18 was a little bit of a struggle of a hold to finish, but yeah, I had no idea.

Okay, so Navy hubs are champion for the women's division at Winter Champs-Jan. What do you hear

when you hear her there? The fact that she right there at the end where she was grateful that she

didn't know where she was at because it didn't affect her, you know, it didn't affect her game.

Those little nerves can get in when you know that you have to do, you just have to make this six

inch putt. And you can't do it. And Cameron Young, winning at the players, talked about how he was

shaking over that one footer he had left on 18 to seal the deal Sunday. Yeah, so that is so

interesting to me always. Do you look, do you not look who does, who doesn't, what reasons they do

or don't. And there's not a right answer. There's just a, there's several dozen interesting answers

for the different situations. However it plays out, however it plays out, however it plays out,

for that, but I am going to make a prediction right now. What's that? Navy is going to contend for

the women's stay down. That wouldn't surprise me in the slides. I mean, she's going to be like in

what she's going to be in the finals. Yeah, it's she's going to play for it because she's on a

heater as well. I mean, she, and she's in, and part of it is is she doesn't know it. She doesn't

know it. She doesn't seem to know how good she is. Right. And that's exactly what I got out of that

in your view. Interesting. I also want to send some love to Paige and Nye. Paige is a first T kid

of sophomore at Haram and High and Paige played her way into a top 10. She was T8 in the women's

winner champs championships the way to go page. All right. We got to take a break when we come back

on the other side. We're going to talk with Mike Allen from UNTF for little things and stuff.

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Mike, we need to talk ourselves a little push card action, right?

Yes, sir. I got to say, you guys always have the best

music for me to come on to. I appreciate that.

Zach Robinson, strutting around in the production booth, triumphant. He's the man,

no question about it. He keeps this show on the air, folks. Don't think it's me or Jan.

No, it's Zach. It is Zach. Okay. All right. Mike, click gear has got something good for us to

learn about, which matters because click gear leaves the show. So tell us what we need to know.

Yeah, I mean, I've had a click here at the same click gear card for nine years, the model

3.5. They had the model four in between that. That was about five or six years ago. They came

out with that. And now, early this month, we have a new click gear card model 4.5. It's a

a little more modernized with some new features that have come out with other accessories.

In the last five or six years, they've modernized their cart to adapt to connect to those other

accessories that are out there now. It's really cool. I think it's almost time for me to upgrade

to this cart. Yeah. I mean, it's the same kind of frame to the cart, but we're just looking at

some added features to it. Like I said, to adapt to some of the

the technology that we use out there on the course every day. Up top on the cart, we have a new

cell phone caddy kind of thing. Hold your phone right up front. So if you're one of those that

listen to music or just need to have access to your phone out on the course, you can have it right

there in front of you. And it has a sound amplifying technology that if you're listening to music

on your phone, it's going to kind of amplify the sound, but it just gives you that

ability just to have your phone right in front of you. Also, the big thing is a magnetic pad

on the side. So many rangefinders, pretty much all rangefinders now have a magnetic or a magnet built

into it, mostly to hang onto the frame of the golf cart, but now you have the ability to put it

right on your push cart. Also, like magnetic towels. So you can have your, you just slap your

magnet right onto the side of the cart, whether it's a rangefinder or towel, you have that right next

to an awesome little feature. Yeah, I'm looking at some video of it here now and

that you're right. This is set up for the way people, the way people

accessorize if we can go with that. Yeah. With the stuff that you have on the golf course,

the cell phone mounting unit, but I like that magnet because you're right. A lot of people use

laser that's magnetized it designed originally for the support on a golf cart. Well, there's so

many things that have magnets on it. The towels have magnets. Everything has magnets. So it seems

like it's great that they finally got the magnet on there. Yeah. That's one thing I'm lacking in

my current cart is I don't have a magnet on it. So where do I put my rangefinder? I mean,

I have options to put it in my little net there, but it's nice to have it right on the side of

the cart. Absolutely. One of the things we kind of chatted about in setting this up is that you and

I, Mike, both prefer to walk and view that as a part of the game and as a part of the joy of the

game is out out there with a walk and click gear really accommodates that. It makes it a more

pleasant experience and I appreciate that a lot. Yeah, a click gear slogan is, hey, if you don't

have a full-time caddy, then the best option for you is a click gear push cart. And this new one

is absolutely, I mean, you got a spot for your rangefinder to access real quick, your phone,

and this new cart has a new storage compartment underneath the top of the cart, which they didn't

have before. And they still have that little door that you can open on the top of the cart to

put a few golf balls in or whatever it is you might need, but it's just nice to have that little

underneath storage compartment. You could put a couple of snacks in there or whatever it is you

might need. It's a really cool added feature to it. Mike, what's the difference between the 4.5

push cart and the model 8.0 plus push cart because it's a $20 difference. So who would, I mean,

wouldn't you just spend the $20? Just, I'm just asking for a friend. For me, I would, the model 8,

the model 8 is a four wheel push cart, so it has two front wheels. Oh, I see. So it's a little

more stable on maybe some hillier courses, something like that, but really the biggest thing is

that it's a four wheel push cart versus a three wheel push cart. Do you think the four wheel makes

up for the three cart, the three wheel push carts that have the 360 wheel? No, like the swivel wheel

is really nice. That's another cart that that click gear offers as well. If you've ever used one

of those swivel wheel ones, it's real smooth to turn and stuff like that. Or you can get over everything.

Yeah, and it's just, you don't have to lift that front wheel to the deer, which is nice, but

maybe like if you're playing hillier courses, then that four wheel push cart is maybe a little

more stable, but other than that, that's the biggest difference. Okay. All right. And you've got

these at all five of your stores around the state, Mike? Yes, it is a newer release, but I believe

all stores do have them. It's their new cart going forward. So the model 4 is going out, but we

still have plenty of inventory in the model 4 as well, which is $2.99. The model 4.5 is $3.39, so for

$40 more, I think you're really getting some added features that make it worth the extra dollars.

Okay. I just saw something in the accessories I have to ask about.

Oh, I forgot to mention this too. I don't know if this is what you're talking about, Jan, but the

the cup holder on the new click here is adjustable. Oh, it says it'll hold the wide body bottles.

Okay. There's a couple. There's a couple accessories. Okay. First off, I'm into the mitts.

They have mitts attached to the handle. So you put your hands in it to keep your hands warm.

Oh, yes. Oh, I'm in. I don't know if you need that with this 80 degree one. No, no, no, but for

life, for the winter or for the cooler months when I like to walk. And then there's a there's

a cart seat. That's what I wanted. Oh, yeah, that's an accessory that's been available for a while.

Yeah, but I don't understand it. No, the idea is you've got a place to sit while you're waiting for your

shot. Okay. Yeah, I see a lot of people out there with those. Yeah, you attach it to kind of

right next to one of the back wheels. Yeah, I just sit on the back wheel. Well, okay, you're smaller

than most people. Yeah, that's true. I do forget those things. I can stand up in in a golf cart

fully. Stand up in a golf cart. But the seat is a nice little accessory to add up. Yeah,

there's a lot of fun stuff on here. Yeah, for those who don't know, click here has a lot of accessories

that attach right to the cart. Yeah, check about we have them in socket. All you went to golf.

Yeah, there's great stuff. Okay, well, be sure to if you're looking for a cart, this is one that's

that you got to got to check out folks. It's so many things about it that'll make your golfing

experience better. I know where I went from other days. There we go. I get one every five years.

We've already got Chad's attention. This is cool. At any of the you into golf stores in Riverdale

Sugarhouse, Sandy, Orham and St. George. So check them out there Mike. Thanks for joining us today.

All right. Thank you guys. All right. I like when we talk about walking on the golf course.

I know. Well, I do. I do like the walk. I just can't do the mountainous walk. Oh, fair enough.

Fair enough. The rest of it. I'm into. All right. You got me. I'm going down a rabbit hole.

You are. All right. We got to take a break. When we come back on the other side, we will talk with

youths head coach Garrett Clegg. The youths won again this week. We're going to hear all about it.

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Good morning. Welcome to the show. Morning Paul. It's always great to come on the win for her.

No doubt. This one is particularly, I don't know, maybe satisfying as the way to say it because

you were defending and a defense of a championship is even harder because people think, well,

they've already shown they can win this thing and so the expectations are higher and yet

you and your team stepped up and met them. Holy cow, we're talking about the shankled that was

played down in Georgia two years in a row. University of Utah comes away with the win. Congratulations,

Coach. Thank you. Thank you. It's, yeah, that's one of the best tournaments we play in all year

as far as community support and so it's a lot of fun. We have one of our best rounds of the year

and in round two out there. Yeah, I was going to say we've got to talk about round two.

It's hard to miss when it puts up a minus 20 for one round. Holy cow, what was going on there?

Well, we did. So you talk about returning. We were the returning defending champs and our boys

know the golf course, you know, which is nice. It's nice to go to a course, you know, and then

you've had success on and I think, you know, we just kind of got rolling and it was one of those days

where we had three guys. I think Davis shot it under par, Brandon shot seven under par and

served your shot five under. Yes. And those three guys just had great days and, and you know, when

when you're seeing your teammates make putts, it gives good positive momentum to everybody and

putts were going in and yeah, it was it was a great day. The red circles on this. I know. Brandon

Robinson's round of that clean card is just so pretty to look at. Yeah, no kidding, right?

And you your final counting score was Gabriel Placios at even par. So every score you counted,

even or better, you had you went 64, 65, 67, 72. That adds up to minus 20 and that'll get you healthy

and a hurry coach. Yeah, it was it was really good for everybody to see that. And, uh,

and yeah, it was Brandon, you know, you talk about him. Bogey three that second round. He's actually

Bogey three for the first 36 holes. Wow. He didn't quite make it 37. He bogey just first hole

over on suit, but, but he or around three. I mean, but he he did for the first first two rounds

when Bogey free, which is. Doesn't happen very often. He sure did. And that was good for T five

individually and, um, pretty impressive work there. But really, this was absolutely a team

effort. You were strong across the board. That's got to make you feel good, doesn't it? Yeah, it was

it was great in that final round to see Jack shoot extremely important 68. You know, we didn't

play our best that final day. I don't know if it was a combination of the pressure. There's,

you know, there was a little weather, but it wasn't that challenging. Uh, it really,

truly, we just kind of struggled a little bit coming in, but that 68 was a huge performance,

but just over the top. Yeah, did it that. So you were, um, uh, final score of minus 21. Good for

a four shot victory over Georgia Southern West Virginia was in third place. And then solo

fourth, Notre Dame eight, uh, top 25 team. They're currently ranked number 23. It's got to feel good

to beat a ranked team like that, doesn't it? Yeah. I mean, we're, we're, I think we're 26 right now.

I don't want to be, uh, but, um, you know, we haven't played our best this spring, uh, to, to this

point, moving forward, you know, to this point in the spring. So it was, it was a good tournament

to, for a lot of reasons, confidence lies for our players, you know, Brandon started to play

really well. He has got back to back top 10 finishes. But other than that, we haven't really had

a lot of success. And, and so this was a big, a big deal for us. Um, we, uh, have talked a lot

in the past for, for good reason. We've, we've had a lot of reasons to talk about Brandon Robbins

and David Johnson, Sergio Jimenez and Gabriel Palacios. But we haven't spent a lot of time on Jack

George who shot that 68 that you really needed in the third round. Tell us more about Jack.

Well, Jack's a mid-year transfer and, uh, he came to us. I mean, you know, you know, we haven't

talked a lot about him because we, we don't know how to pronounce his name. Um, he's new to the program.

He's, you, you say it jerky kind of. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Um, you're welcome. But

it's okay. I didn't know how to say it for a long time either. Um, in the, in the recruiting

process. But Jack transferred from you, USC. Uh, he's a great player. He's, he actually, we're

actually his third school. He started at St. Mary's. Uh, and then he went transferred from St.

Mary's to USC and just didn't really love his time at USC and wasn't quite what he had

hoped and, uh, he's close friends with Davis Johnson in our program. Okay. And so, um, you know,

the opportunity presented itself and, you know, we only had eight players and we have a roster

max of nine. And so, uh, to be able to bring him on mid-year is a big boost because we've got,

I think we have a program that can do really special things when we're clicking. Yeah. We have

clicking for a little while. You know, we've got a few guys struggling with our games,

but adding a, uh, you know, we hadn't in the fall. We'd really struggled to find a fifth score.

And we're hoping Jack has been able to solidify that. And there's no question that without Jack

68, we don't win this past weekend. And he's had a number of, you know, solid rounds for us so far

the spring. So, uh, you know, his addition to the program aside from golf has also been,

been great for the two games. He's a really, really good young man. It's been extremely well with

the team and we're excited for him. We have him this the rest of this year and next year.

So, so, so Cal player all the way, uh, grew up there. St. Mary's USC. He was a

starter at USC. He was made, made the traveling squad every single tournament to his sophomore year

and yet chose Utah. I think that says a lot about you and a lot about the program. Yeah, it just,

you know, so he's he started in a pretty small town growing. Oh, not a super small town,

but a smaller town growing up and, um, just struggled in the big city of LA and, you know,

that can happen. Oh, yeah. And you, you know, you're a seasoned urban school. Don't, you know,

don't don't don't think that it's this, this, this thing with with wide vistas of open land. It's not.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so it just has fit really well for him to, to be in Salt Lake and to be

amongst our guys. And we're excited to see, you know, kind of wear his game in each, each tournament.

He's been playing a little bit better and and he's, when you watch him play every aspect of his

game is, is really good. And so, yeah, we're hopefully this will lead to a, a few more, maybe

another breakout performance or something here along the way. Well, one of the things you just

mentioned that's real important. We've talked about this before. And that's how vital your number four

and number five scores are. That's, that's the nature of college golf. And look, your top four

are pretty solid. Robinson Johnson, Heminez, Palacios. If you can solidify number five, that's,

that's really got to bode well, heading into conference regions and nationals.

Yeah, we need to have, you need to have all five, all five guys being capable because at the end

of the day and the sport of golf, you know, it's rare that all five guys shoot great scores and

the all five can be great players, right? You know, somebody's going to have a rough round.

Things just aren't quite that good from that day. And so, you need to have enough players to

have the depth to continue to shoot good scores. No doubt, no doubt. So, for the rest of the year,

you've got two more regular season tournaments before heading to conference. And they're both

good ones. Yeah, Silverado. I just said good one. I didn't mean it that way. The next one is

the good one. The point is it's Stanford. Yeah. And, and, and then after that,

ASU's tournament, the Thunderbird, these are two really deep fields, really strong tournaments. Do

you know who you're taking to those yet? Well, the good one we leave on Tuesday. And

I have a kind of a standing deal when, when we win as a team, the lineup doesn't change. Okay,

that's fair. Yeah. And, and especially, I say, I always kind of leave the caveat of, unless it's

where four guys all played great and one guy wasn't even close. But in this situation, it was

clear that that all five players were integral for our success. So, yeah, we'll have the same line

up for sure for Stanford. And, you know, I never want to predict too far out. Sure, sure.

But for now, we have the same five at Stanford. What, what courses are you playing in these

next two tournaments? So, the good one will be at Stanford's golf course, but every once in

all, that's an hardening part, but right here, it's a Stanford. And then the ASU Thunderbirds

that pop it go. Pop it go. I love that course. Formally my home course. That was my home course

when I lived in Arizona. It is a great golf course. And from the tips, it's all you want.

Yeah, it is. It's sneaky long. Yes, it is. It's covered off course with people playing.

Yeah, keep it on grass there. That's the trick. All right. Well, two great tournaments coming up

and coming off a win. Holy cow, that's that is strong. And we are so excited for getting into the

championship phase of the spring season. And you're right there on the cusp of it with things

coming together. We're really fun stuff, coach. Well, thanks. Appreciate, appreciate you guys

following us and cheering for our boys. Well, we sure do that. All right. Thank you.

Thanks, coach. Appreciate it. All right. That's coach Garrett Clegg, University of Utah.

Really nice to see him playing well again. Not a surprise. This is a quality team. They've

been in the top 25 the entire year. Is that a new ranking meaning? Is this has this change since

they won? Okay, since since you asked me, no, I'm highly annoyed by this. No, they're ranking

did not change. They were 26 last week. They win. And then they're 26 again this week. How does

that work? How does that work? Now, it's, it's a formula. It's math. It's strength to feel

blah, blah. There's lots of numbers that go into it. It just feels wrong. If you win, if you win,

you should go up. You shouldn't be stagnant after a W. I, okay, whatever. No,

I agree. They're not asking my opinion. I agree with you. So there. Okay. I'll take that.

Okay. But the point is we know that this is a team that can win. And here's the other thing.

The other players in on other teams, the other coaches, everybody in NCAA top tear golf, they know

that University of Utah can play golf. Yeah. They know to pay attention to them.

This is a good team. They won back to back. You know, they defended their channels. I mean,

that is that in itself is incredibly difficult. Yeah. It's not, yeah. Exactly. No small thing. Yeah.

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But I want to talk about Ludwig Oberg, this guy, I love him.

Okay, he is so likable.

He is absolutely one of the most likable players on the tour.

No question.

He's got, he's got a million dollar smile, he's affable, he's got a great attitude, he's

cheerful.

I mean, everything about the guy is nice.

He's nice to other people.

Everybody who says it says this guy is a good guy, okay?

His golf swing is beautiful.

Absolutely, lovely to watch.

He plays at a quick pace.

There's nothing in the world not to like about this guy.

He gave it away, he had that tournament by the short hairs and just plain didn't show

up on the weekend.

Ah, okay, look, that's hard, closing a tournament is hard, closing a tournament like the players

with a field that deep, it's tough as field in the game every year.

You know, at a place, and on a golf course like the stadium course at TPC, so hard, but

the fact is, he had it and he gave it away, I feel bad for him.

On the other hand, good land, Cam, you know, did what he needed to do and he, he went

out and hit the great shots in the moment that he needed to hit them and he won.

All right, let's talk about somebody on a says.

On a says brought to us by our friends at Copper Rock, Jan, did we have fun at Copper

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Oh my goodness, we sure did.

I love that golf course.

Can't wait to go back next month.

Exactly.

We'll be back for the Epson Tour that will be back down there.

This golf course is so fun to play.

It's a gas.

One of my favorites in the state, absolutely love Copper Rock and it's no small accident

here that we are talking about something that took place at Copper Rock last week.

On a says, you can't look past David Lickty's 61, holy cow.

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All right, we got to take a break.

When we come back on the other side, we will continue our path talking with the inaugural

inductees into the Utah PGA Hall of Fame.

We will have the distinct pleasure of talking with one of the great people of the Utah

game, Ernie Schneider, Jr. when we come back on the other side, you are listening to Utah

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We are joined now by one of the legends of the Utah game, Ernie Schneider, Jr. and

inaugural inductee into the Utah PGA Hall of Fame.

Ernie, good morning.

Welcome to the show.

Good morning, Paul.

So glad to have you with us, Ernie.

So many things I want to talk about and I want to go back to the very beginning.

Your father, Ernie Schneider senior, was an inaugural inductee into the Utah Golf Hall of

Fame in the original class back in the 90s.

And rightly so, he left such an impact on the game.

What I'd like to start in talking about your incredible and stellar career as well is

what kind of impact did your father have on you and what other things were you considering

as a young man before you chose your career in golf?

I think I was pretty fortunate, Paul.

I never had any deviations from the golf thing.

We started out playing when I was about eight at El Monte.

My dad was a pro up there and in the winners, he would work at Snow Basin, Operator Snow Basin.

It was my contract, but anyway, I became a skier and finally when I was 15, I won the

Junior Open a couple of times and I decided, hey, I'm not going to break a leg, I'm going

to become a golfer.

Okay, good call.

Good call.

Good work.

So you become a golfer, inevitably so perhaps, but certainly learning from one of the greats

ever and one of the things about your father's career is that it touched on all aspects of

the game.

It was interesting to me to hear that he also worked at Snow Basin and he just, this was

a man who seemingly could do anything and everything and did, but he was a golf professional,

a golf administrator, a really good player and a golf course designer and then you have

been involved in all of that as well.

So what aspect of the game has been most closely your own?

Let me ask it that way, what do you feel most connected with?

I really enjoyed the competition, the competitive golf, that was a really fun time for me.

I was only really very competitive for about 20 years, but what a time it was, a lot of

fun.

Okay.

Well, a lot of neat guys that I, he was able to compete against and with, get cramers

and Jimmy Blair's and Danny Nielson's, a lot of great players.

Yeah, really, right?

That's a good list at a good time, Paul.

You need to talk about the 1966 Utah Open, which not only did you win, but you won it

on the Ogden Golf and Country Club, where your father was a head pro, a bit of a part

of your childhood there, what was, and look, walking up the 18th fairway on the last day

of a tournament you win is a special experience in every circumstance.

But in this case, where you're so connected to the golf course, I want to know what you

were thinking, walking between your second shot and the green on the last, well, 18th

of par three, but walking, walking, 18 in those days, Paul, 18 was the other side, so it

was a par four, a long, long par four.

Long par four?

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

Then my question sticks.

Thank you for that.

I want to know what, what was going on in your head, what, what you were going on in

your heart?

What do you think, thinking and feeling as you walk up to the green, knowing, I'd been

playing pretty well, but I knocked that second shot over the green, which was really a tough

shot, because I'm coming back downhill onto a short pin and thank heaven, I got it up

and down, but that was a little, little hairy, yeah.

What, what did it mean to you to win the Utah Open on the OGCC?

Well, I had a little up and on, you know, I was only played it a couple of thousand times.

Sure.

Well, a little bit of a break for me, but yeah, how many, and to have the community was

really supportive.

I had a big gallery and a lot of friends and on my home course and having played well

and I had some good competition, just, just a great treat, one of my wonderful memories.

That is cool.

That is so cool.

Along the way during this period when you were such a top tier player, you also qualified

for and played in three PGA championships, tell some of the experiences and memories

that stand out for you during that time.

Well, the first one, Billy Johnson and I both had qualified and went back to Dayton, Ohio.

It was the last year they played it as a match play tournament.

Oh, okay.

And I felt I was a little out of my class and I got beat the first round.

Okay.

So we went out and watched Billy play.

But that was Dayton and then I had the one in Oklahoma last time I played and my claim to

fame is Jack Nicholson, I tied both, we both missed the cut of stroke.

But those are native experiences.

You had the opportunity to help your father build Riverside, Schneider's Riverside where

you still hang out and I want to come back to that in a minute.

What was it like finding that land, envisioning the golf course, designing it, building it,

walk us through that whole process on this beautiful golf course?

You talked about bare bones.

Yeah, I started driving around looking for a place that we might build a course.

I found this little farm of 76 acres and here we could build a nine hole course on

a river bottom, had been a dairy farm.

So we were going to use the barn for the clubhouse, which was nice, just like my nephews

out of the barn in North Augments.

But I'm playing in the Montana Open, my dad called and said the barn's on fire.

So there goes our clubhouse.

But we really worked to get this built and it didn't cost as much to build.

Our first year, I think we took in $47,000, had a big year.

Okay.

Yeah, things changed quite a bit, don't they?

They do at that.

But building the course, we really, we had no money, we bare bones that had a D6 cat

and had him shape the greens and teas and we put in the sprinkler system ourselves.

Oh, wow.

And it worked great for nine holes, it was swell and then the ground on the south of me

became available for another nine and I picked that up and went to work on that.

So it's been a great trip.

Walk us through your process designing a course, do you start with paper?

Do you go out, walk in the land?

How do you do that?

I think now they have those computers that they can just play around with.

But in those days, I just went by drawings by memory of decent holes that I had played

before.

In fact, my number 10 hole is a memory from the Fort Douglas Country Club, number one hole.

Oh, wow.

It was a short, short par for downhill and yeah.

So I just, mostly from our ideas and past experiences.

And you talked about getting it shaped a lot of, there's a lot of subterranean work that

goes into modern course design as they build out the structure of the soils in many ways

similar to how road beds are built now with layers of different characteristic in the

strata there.

Did you do any of that back then or were you just shaping the top soil?

We just, we got behind the green and pushed the dirt up and built a green and hauled in

a few loads or moved dirt from one spot to another.

But we just pretty much went out and said, what will we do today and put one together

and say that looks nice.

Yeah.

You have had remarkable longevity in this game just a few weeks ago at the Utah section

annual meetings and awards dinner.

I was so impressed with you as you received your award with candidly with your mobility.

And at your age, and now I don't even remember, it's 90 something, what, how old are you

in?

96.

96.

Okay, but, but.

I'll be 96 this year, 95, 95 now Paul, 96 in July.

Fantastic.

I am, I, I, I'm so impressed by that.

The sphinus with which you wind up the stairs to the stage, be lied those years.

And I, when you, when, when your time at the mic was done, I was disappointed because

I wanted to listen to you more that night.

Well, thank you.

Yeah.

No, I've been very fortunate.

I've had really good health, Paul and I think that probably goes back to my mama.

She, she was really healthy and lived a good, full life, but I think it goes back to

her.

Did, as, as you look back on this remarkable career, a couple of questions.

At this point, clearly, you can do whatever you want and not do anything you don't want

to do.

What is it that you're still doing as, as a golf professional?

I'll just love getting up and coming out in the morning and seeing the guys make

sure that everything's getting cleaned up around here, windows are clean, parking lots

cleaned up.

I, I just enjoy the atmosphere.

Are you playing a lot of golf still?

Not enough.

I've got to get out and play.

I feel as you'll come up, we'll have a game.

Oh, be careful what you say because I'm going to do that.

I absolutely, I'm going to do that.

Please.

The, as you look back on the career, what, what memories stand out?

What experiences rise to the top for you?

Well, I just, I, I've been so fortunate in, when my dad was a pro at the comfort club,

white, the major manufacturers would put on a, would stand out their top players to sort

of get, get out and mix with the communities.

But I, I got an opportunity to play with Byron Nelson, an exhibition at the Ogden Country

Club.

I got to play with Terry Bellacoff and Lloyd Manger, but, nibbly, with Tommy McEw, and things

like that.

Betsy Rawls, I played with her.

She's a US Open Champion.

Did she?

Did you write?

Yes.

Oh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I, I, it was on the Ben Hogan staff and I won the regional tournament a couple of times

and, and went down to Shady Oaks and had dinner with, with Ben Hogan and his sales group.

That was fun.

So what was, was he very talkative?

What was it like having dinner with Mr. Hogan?

Well, he was, he was, he was very gracious, you know, he was, he was good.

That's nice.

They put, put him in a different circumstance than the competitive golf, I think, is a different

person.

It's interesting.

And it's interesting, staying on Hogan for a quick minute, you mentioned Mickey Wright.

Hogan said that he thought Mickey Wright had the best swing he's ever seen.

What did you see in her swing?

Same thing.

Okay.

Tommy, Tommy Williams and I, Tommy was one of the better players in our section.

Tommy and I played an exhibition with her at Ogden Country Club and we, we had our drives

and we're all out there within 10 feet of each other.

And Tommy and I are wondering, are, are we the short ones the long one?

She was, she was right with us.

She was tall girl.

She was about 5'10 and what a beautiful swing, beautiful person.

Nice.

That is so interesting.

That is so cool to hear.

You have been honored in so many ways, several different section awards for several different

elements of your work as a golf professional.

You are a member of the Utah Golf Hall of Fame alongside with your father, which I think

is so cool.

And now a member of the inaugural class of the Utah section, Hall of Fame, what does this

induction mean to you as you look forward to the induction ceremonies this coming week?

Well, I've always been so proud that my uncle George was in that first class, as was my

dad, that it just really honored to be part of that.

That is so cool.

What do you want your grandkids to know about grandpa Ernie?

I want them to know that he loves people, that he appreciated people, that he enjoyed people,

and wanted to make sure that they enjoyed themselves when they came to the golf course.

That is good stuff and inspiring in every way.

Ernie Schneider, Jr., it is an honor to talk with you.

I am so looking forward to the inauguration dinner, to the inaugural Park Me induction dinner

this Wednesday, and so looking forward to seeing you there and to being a part of that

whole ceremony.

Thank you so much, thank you so much for joining us.

It's an honor.

Don't forget our game.

I shall not.

All right.

Thank you Ernie.

Bye-bye.

That is Ernie Schneider, Jr., a legend in the game, a great man by every measure, a great

player, a great golf pro, a great administrator, everything about this man.

96.

Yeah.

It's incredible.

It is absolutely breathtaking.

He's well, he's inspiring for sure.

That's, I mean, that's just nuts.

Yeah.

That's a great way that you can't, I mean, that's so cool.

What a great way.

When, when you hear him talk, Jan, I'm curious what gets your attention?

Just, he can't possibly be 95.

Well, holy cow, seriously.

Like, he, he, I mean, it is, well, yeah, and, and he bounded up the stairs to the stage

at, at the awards dinner, the section awards dinner down in St. George a few weeks ago.

It was absolutely unbelievable.

Yeah.

When that time of the program was over, I just think, oh, more Ernie.

I want to hear more what he has to say, but he's got so many stories.

Just think about that.

I mean, my goodness, he could keep you going for hours.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Absolutely incredible.

So Ernie Schneider, Jr., member of officially soon, a member of the Utah section, PGA, inaugural

class, the PGA Hall of Fame, the inaugural class.

And already a member of the Utah golf Hall of Fame, he's just had such a remarkable run

and such a remarkable effect on the game.

And if everything about him and the longevity, hard to miss, hard to miss that, incredible

stuff.

All right, Jan, what's next?

I do.

It's what's next segment brought to us by our good friends at the Utah section, PGA.

Why does that?

I've got it on my mind.

I've got it on my mind.

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Yeah.

I said, did we switch?

No, we didn't.

Yeah.

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Jan, the UGA this past week opened registrations for its championships.

And as you might expect, there's a bit of a land rush on this.

Everything isn't entirely full, but let's just go down through them and talk about some

things coming up.

So the women's spring open has 84 registrations already complete.

I'm not exactly sure, but I think that that's getting near the max on them.

I will tell you the mid-AM qualifier stone bridge is full with 84.

I know this, because I have a friend that's playing and it has to go to St George, because

the mid-AM is stone bridge is full.

I was just going to say the mid-AM queue at stone bridge is full.

Mid-AM queue at sleepy ridge is full.

Mid-AM queue at green springs still has 20 spots available.

So if you want to play in the mid-AM, you have to go to a mid-AM qualifier.

If you want to play in a mid-AM qualifier, the only one left.

With spots available is to drive to green spring, and that will be held on Monday, May 18th.

So, mid-AM qualifiers filled up in a boy.

Yeah, they did.

They went fast, fast.

Which is not unusual and is not a surprise.

Not a big surprise.

Yep.

Happens every year.

And if you want to play in it, you know better.

The senior stroke play championship, which will be held the first week of May at the

Yoke's, it has 103 registrations already.

There's room for 144.

So that they still have 40ish that are ready, that are ready open for you to go there.

But now is the time to do it.

Should we talk about state-AM qualifiers?

We might as well.

State-AM qualifiers are open.

We're going to start reminding you week after week that until they are all full that you

need to be signing up for, the state-AM qualifiers.

State-AM qualifier out of sleepy ridge, full, can't go there.

Sorry, state-AM qualifier at green spring, about half full, that's available.

State-AM qualifier at Eaglewood, it's got about 20 left, it's available.

State-AM qualifier at Eagle Mountain, full, can't go there.

Oh, that's the mid-AM, sorry, the state-AM qualifier at Eagle Mountain, 72, there's 10, 12 spots left at Eagle Mountain.

So you still can be a part of that.

State-AM qualifier at Mountain Dale, 77 gone.

So you've got less than 10, you've got seven more that you can do there.

State-AM qualifier at Glendale, full, done, can't do the state-AM qualifier there.

State-AM qualifier at Wasatch Lake, done, full, can't go there.

State-AM qualifier at Dineland, this is one you can go to.

It has 18 registration so far, so there's still plenty of room.

Still plenty of room at Dineland, which is really good to know, you can go there.

State-AM qualifier at Oak or Hills, there is also room at the Oak or Hills qualifier.

And the qualifier at Fox Hollow is full, done, you can't go there.

If you want to play in the qualifier at Talon's Cove, two spots left.

Good luck.

It'll be done by the end of the day.

So what they're what we're telling is more than half of the State-AM qualifier sites are full.

About half of those left are approaching full.

There's only two or three that you can sleep on, but don't get too sleepy.

These are filling up.

So now is the time to register for the State-AM qualifiers,

because they are filling up and they are filling up very, very quickly.

All right, other things coming up.

The Utah golf pass is on sale now at utapega.com.

Jan, you are a good golf pass user.

I am.

You got your golf pass?

I just recently got it.

Okay, good on you.

Utah, utapega.com to the golf pass.

Jen score posting opened up this past week.

As of the 15th of March, you can post Jen scores in the Jen app in Northern Utah.

You're able to post them in Southern Utah throughout the summer, but you can post them

for any of the Northern Utah courses now.

You're saying is my scores count now?

You got to count your scores.

Yeah, you got to count your scores.

Okay.

The BYU men will be at Silverado this coming week Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday or

Friday, Friday, Saturday.

Everybody will be heading to Stanford.

We talked with Coach Clegg earlier, so both BYU and Utah playing at Stanford this week

and the BYU men at playing at Silverado plus drive chip and put registration is now

open.

Oddly, go to drivechippamput.com and get your kid registered for this really cool program,

drive chip and put.

And we've got about a minute left tell us about the the page trip for the girls go golfing.

It's our fifth annual trip to page.

We are going to page Arizona over April 6th or excuse me, April 9th through the 12th.

And it's a good time.

We are all full.

Oh, I was just going to ask if you had some fun today.

We're all full.

So next year, hopefully you'll get on board and we'll tell you soon enough where you can

get on board.

Okay.

Fun thing to do.

All right.

We sure appreciate you all being with us today.

We appreciate your listening.

It is so beautiful.

Get out there and play this great game.

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