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For the next two hours, we'll give you the best coverage of Golf and Utah.

Now bringing you inside the ropes.

Here's Paul Pugmeyer and Jan Brownstein.

Good morning, Utah Golf Radio.

Getting you inside the ropes on all things golf and Utah.

Coming to you live today from Davis Park Golf Course, where we are here to talk about and dig into.

The threat to this golf course found in the general plan of Fruit Heights City.

We are coming to you in partnership today with Utah's leading golf organizations, the Utah Golf Association, the Utah Section, PGA, Fairways Media, the Utah Golf Foundation, the Utah Golf Course Superintendent's Association, the Utah Junior Golf Association, and first to Utah.

I am Paul Pugmeyer, your host and president of the first to Utah.

I'm here with our co-host, Jan Brownstein.

Jan, good morning.

Good morning, Paul.

We are at the beautiful Davis Park today.

I assume so do so.

Love it.

And we are joined now.

We've got some things we need to talk about and hold on for just a quick minute.

We, we, I'm sorry, we are live. We are welcoming our guests here with us today.

Let me just mention real quick that these microphones are distance and direction sensitive. You'll want to be right in front of it.

And we are joined today by, by Kurt, Kurt Williams.

And I'm sorry Elizabeth Nielsen. Thank you very much. We are live.

The show has started and so we're making this up in real time. We appreciate you coming today. Thank you very much.

Elizabeth Nielsen and Kurt Williams. Thank you very much.

These fine people are with a community group called preserving fruit heights. Have I have that correct?

Yeah.

Okay. Thank you.

And the situation here, we need to talk about it. This is the sixth time in the last handful of years that a golf course is under threat of development.

And in each and every, each and every one of those times, the community rising up and saying no has made a difference. And I'm going back to Glendale to what was then East Bay is now Tim Pinogas to Glenn Moore to the Ridge in West Valley City.

And thanksgiving point. Yes, just recently we had the mayor of Lehigh on talking about rerouting a proposed road that would have gone right through Thanksgiving point.

So those five, those five golf courses all have come under threat, all have initiated a public response.

And on that background, Kurt, let's start with you describe the situation that we have here in the city of fruit heights, which is of course the host city for this county Davis County owned facility Davis Park that we all love so much.

Tell us about the situation that is being faced by Davis Park in the city of fruit heights general plan.

So, for high city recently, we did its city plan and, you know, every city's got to have a plan for how the city's going to develop out.

And on this plan is a number of things that residents are concerned about. And probably the largest one is that the city has a plan for the golf course that we're really not sure everybody is really aware of.

We're not sure that the residents of fruit heights are on board with and probably the most important thing that they're not particularly aware that there's a plan to develop the golf course into a city center with mixed use commercial and high density housing on it.

And I think for a lot of people, it's a surprise.

It is. I, first of all, a lot of people don't spend time hanging out at city city council meetings at zoning planning zoning commission meetings.

That's actually the problem there. They made a more fun.

They try so hard.

I think popcorn would go along, right? But they don't ask me.

But, but in this plan, which has layers and layers of state requirements imposed upon it and every municipal general plan, the fruit heights is no exception.

Every municipality has requirements from the state about their general plan.

And it is difficult in the situation of fruit heights, which is if geographically a small and landlocked municipal boundaries, the city itself.

And it is nearly completely developed out 95% of the land within the city is already developed.

And so that means that there are some really difficult challenges for the city to deal with. Okay, fine, we acknowledge that that is a fair challenge having said that.

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It is the job of the planning commission and the city council to deal with difficult challenges. That's why they're there. The easy stuff gets done before it gets to the city council city council by definition handles hard stuff.

So this is a hard one and the plan has laid out that Davis Park golf course will be developed for both businesses, residences and a city center.

Correct. Yeah.

Ouch.

Yeah.

I just found out about it last night. So I mean, I don't live in this area, but I mean, I know a lot of people who do and I'm willing to bet they don't know anything about this because I think that they would.

I can I use the word outraged.

Well, okay, so yeah, tough. I mean, this is not it's not just a golf course. It's it's a community. It's, you know, there's a community that is built into this golf course.

Absolutely. And and it's a gathering place as was a stooly demonstrated Thursday night. Elizabeth, you are at the mic for a community meeting.

The the banquet facility here at Davis Park was packed standing room only tells about that meeting, please.

Well, it was an open house that was specifically designed to help the members or their residents of fruit heights to learn more about the situation.

It wasn't really brought to our attention until the election for our new mayor and city council members last fall.

We became more aware of it. We started to dig into it just a bunch of citizens who were concerned each started looking at different parts of it and then we ended up forming this group.

And our goal was to really help the other residents of fruit heights become more aware because it's been here for two years. The plan.

Yes, we had no idea. And so we as and anybody that finds out about it is outraged.

I've had so many phone calls this week leading up to the open house saying, what is going on? I couldn't even play my game right.

It messed up my game thinking about how this golf course could be gone. And it makes you actually brings to your serious and it it's heartbreaking.

A lot of people don't even really even believe there's a lot of people who go, oh, surely that can't be the case.

Well, I think, yeah, I definitely in my heart saying that I let we they wouldn't do that.

Right.

Or they say, it's never going to happen. They would never take that away. And the city in the county say, oh, it's never going to happen. We just had to have a plan.

But I don't know. Maybe I'm unique. But whenever the government says to me, don't worry. It's never going to happen.

I typically start to worry.

Yeah.

But I got asked by the news. So, you know, I got lucky enough to be interviewed briefly by the news and they asked, hey, do you believe that there's an active plan to develop golf course or not?

You know, there's, you know, there hasn't been, there's been talk. Yes, there's been talk. No.

And afterwards I thought it's kind of irrelevant really what I believe and irrelevant whether there is an active plan to develop it or not.

If it's on the plan, there's enough money out there looking for projects like this one that eventually it might not be tomorrow. Maybe it will be tomorrow.

It might be a year from now. It might be five years from now. But, you know, this is, there's a was said for heights is 97% built out.

So if you want to do a project here, you need some land and it looks like this. And so if you've made it possible, it's eventually going to happen.

The reality is if it exists in the plan, there always will be the threat until it is removed from the plan.

Because the legal requirements are that for development take place. It has to comply with the general plan of a municipality.

And so if the if the golf course development is in the plan, then somebody with money can start pulling levers. If if that person is is savvy enough has enough money has enough drive.

Perhaps they can pull it off. Perhaps I don't know, but I do know that if it's in the plan, the gate is there. And if it's not in the plan, the gate is removed.

I'd like to learn about how your community group started to get organized and coalesce and going looking backwards, the steps that led to that very impressive meeting on Thursday night.

How did it all get started?

You know, I think it started just with a few people starting to sync up and go, hey, we became aware of this got concerned about it. Some of us, I think we all had different things that we were interested in.

Some people deeply interested in preserving the golf course. Some people kind of saying, hey, I'm really tired of government doing things that I don't really like or agree with.

There are some people that feel like, I know for myself, I just kind of don't like feeling like I'm being told one thing and something completely different is happening.

That's pretty low on my list.

I mean, when I was told, hey, there's no active plans to develop the golf course and I've been assured that by many people.

Other than the general plan for our city and that a lot of people in the county like, you know, the plans that I worry about are the ones that have maps on them, you know, and like this has a really intricate design to it.

That's not nothing.

Yeah, so there's no active proposals in place right now and I want to use the word plan to refer to exactly the legal document, the general plan.

There are no active proposals that is legitimate that is correct and when the city says that when the county says that both of them are 100% correct, no active proposals right now, but the reality is when that gate is there in the general plan in the enabling document.

There is a possibility.

There's a chance Elizabeth.

We do happen to have a lot of developers in our area, of course, all over.

And in some of the conversations as we brought this up, they go to some of them are opposed to developing the plan, but.

But they also have said that they have been in conversations where this has come up.

This golf course has come up and there are conversations taking place among developers.

Iying this property and and one of them said to me at the meeting, they said, if it's on the plan in a developer's mind, it's a green light.

And that's my that's my point when the gateway exists.

People with with an entrepreneurial spirit with drive with the funds or access to the funds to make it happen.

Yes, they will be looking at a way to do it.

And I say that with with no ill will that's their careers and their businesses go.

You guys develop develop our communities, but.

Don't take our golf courses and doing it.

Don't take this green space.

And when you look around, certainly city of free tites, but look at the the at a broader scale, look at Davis County.

Is there more premium, more beautiful, better situated, better located land than this.

It was with your shaking your head.

No, I am shaking my head. No, because I hurt also, but I was raised here.

Yeah.

And I remember when fruit heights actually had orchards, the produced fruit.

We used to come up here as kids and pick fruit.

Yes.

I mean, fruit heights.

I mean, we came up here with cherries, peaches, all the stone fruits.

I work as a cherry picker as a teenager.

It probably you probably pick those cherries where my house is.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It is.

We're down to one orchard.

Yeah.

Well, I remember the orchards.

I remember the rows and rows of trees.

And in the spring when they would when they would blossom just and the fragrance later in the fall.

I remember all that I didn't work in there.

I didn't grow up in this neighborhood, but you don't drive it back and forth every single

time.

Remember this.

And what is preserved from those years long ago is Davis Park.

Of course.

Of course.

And that one orchard, my brothers gathered all the golf balls to raise.

They had a deal with the scouts.

And so they would gather up all the balls that went.

That you're saying.

Some of us hit it and hit it off the course.

Some that happened.

And so they would gather them.

The scouts would come and they'd buy them back and it would fund all these scout activities.

I mean, this has been part of our community for so long.

And to lose it would be a tragedy.

We're talking about all this.

People might be hearing it for the first time.

How can they get more information about what you guys are doing?

So there's a lot of information on our website, which is pretty easy.

It's fruit Heights dot org.

Pretty remarkable that you got that you are.

I don't know how that happened.

I guess it was just sitting there.

It is.

Yeah.

Okay.

So fruit Heights dot org.

And I'm looking at it now and it pops right up your community.

Your voice.

Explore what's in the fruit Heights city plan.

There you go right off the bat.

That's what you guys are working on.

So fruit Heights dot org.

And in that.

You that's where you're what you're using to organizing gather people.

Facebook also.

Okay.

And what is the Facebook page called.

Preserving fruit Heights.

Oh, yeah.

Okay, I've seen it.

Okay, preserving fruit Heights.

Yes.

Okay.

So either on the Facebook page or on the website Facebook page preserving fruit Heights Facebook page fruit Heights dot org pardon website fruit Heights dot org.

I think also you asked about how do we come together.

Yeah.

How did we actually get this.

All these people out on Thursday night.

And one of the members of our group actually.

Put together door hanger door hangers and they published printed and we all delivered.

We everybody just participated took a second walking around delivering walked around and we put those door hangers on and that's honestly.

What got a lot of people.

Waking up including the city.

Because they weren't wanting to listen to us before.

They may still not want to listen, but it woke them up.

I want to go back to what I said at the very beginning based on what you just said Elizabeth.

We have five other that Davis Park is the sixth one in the last handful of years and five other golf courses where exactly what you just described has already happened.

And in each case, a positive resolution was achieved because people stood up organized and spoke.

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What do you want to see people do? What is the call to action here?

It's multifaceted.

First, we want the people to get informed. So go to the website, get informed, understand what's on the plan and and why it's there and we understand that the state requires certain things.

But we also have spoken with some of our planning commission and we have done some homework to figure out some options that would be better and would not involve the golf course that we do believe would meet the state requirements.

So that's the first thing, get informed. Second, show up at the city council meetings and continue to speak up and talk to them. Third, we want the city council to put on the agenda, a vote to amend the general plan.

We want that amendment and we want to be able to and then the goal of that is to get a conservancy.

A conservation easement.

We want to be able to do that with this golf course. So we started since Thursday nights meeting to figure out, okay, how do we do that? Who do we?

Who do we contact? Who do we have that's willing to help us to start moving and there's multiple other layers to it as well, but those are some of the first things.

I do want to say when you lay out those steps, I think they're exceptionally well thought through and they are exactly the thing that needs done.

When you talk about show up at city council, I absolutely applaud that and I do that from the perspective of one who has in a past part of my life served on a city council.

So two things I want to say about that number one, I have deep immense respect for the members of the free tight city council for these men and women who serve.

It is hard hard work. It is underpaid under appreciated and it is, it is like I say, quite difficult. Now that's by design, the hard stuff goes to the city council.

The easy stuff gets done before that's the nature of it, but I do want to say I have great respect for the members of the city council and I hope that always comes through.

But I also want to say my second point, having sat on a dice, having been a member of a city council, the city council will respond to the community raising its voice.

That is the vital step right now and that's what you guys are doing. And we have seen it before and other in the other cities that we've just recounted I have experienced it in my own life.

The city council will respond to the community organizing and raising its voice. And so what you guys are doing is what will matter. Bravo.

Yeah, right.

So we've about used up our time.

Kurt, what final thought do you want to leave with people?

You know, I think Elizabeth laid it out really, really well.

Something that I think people are doing that I think helps a lot too is just talking about it.

For the first time, people are starting to become aware and taking a look at it, becoming a little more educated.

It's so easy to kind of just with our local governments be a little bit of sleep at the wheel.

I think the government itself hasn't even told me that like it's so hard to get citizens engaged. We've all got lives.

We've got something going on.

Yeah, that's real.

Yeah, so you just kind of think, hey, everybody's doing the best thing that they can for our city.

And hey, that's that's probably true as long as what's happening is everything that you agree with.

And in the case of this, I'm sitting here looking out of the golf course. I do every time I come here and just go.

I love this.

Oh my gosh.

But the same time if I was going to build a business or I wanted an awesome home, it's putting it right here where I'm looking out the window.

It would be fantastic like this.

This is absolutely an opportunity for a great development too.

But politics, it's all about how do you think the resources of an area should be used.

And this is a tremendous resource is getting it talked about.

And I just I would love people to talk about it come to city council meetings.

It's hard to do.

I have our time doing it sometimes, but just getting involved.

And I want for the community to think about this early instead of way too late when all the wheels are emotion and then you can try and complain.

That is a very valid point.

The wheels will spin in in a vacuum of noise.

If people are not being noisy, the wheels will spin.

So the time is now to be noisy is really what it comes down to.

Yeah.

And we really do need more people to show up and speak up because when you have a smaller group, I mean our group is, I don't know, 10, 15 that kind of are the cold.

And you filled the banquet hall the other night.

Yeah, yes.

And, but when there's just that small group, it's easy to be dismissed.

Yeah.

It's easy to say, oh, they don't know what they're talking about or, or, you know, it's just a few people.

But when you have 100, 200, 300 people, then, then they say, oh, that's why it's for you.

And we actually had a council member say said to me after one of the meetings, please keep coming, please.

Exactly.

And more of you, because every new person that stands up is another piece of evidence that we can rely on to.

Council members want to hear what the community wants.

I guarantee that that was absolutely my experience in my life.

I've seen it in dozens of city councils.

And I'm certain it's the case of the fruitite city council today.

They want to be informed of what the community thinks.

Now is the time to make noise.

Yeah.

The tone has changed, actually.

I think that when you go to the city council meetings and you communicate with them on this started a few months ago,

it wasn't that they weren't taking citizens serious.

It was more like, hey, is this something we have to pay attention to?

Some of them are new.

It's a reason.

And they've got other things they've got to chase down.

You know, this is probably not top of their list all the time, but it's becoming so.

And it really has made a difference.

People showing up talking about it, getting their attention.

It's, it's worked.

Okay, your website again.

fruitheight.org.

I'm going to share it on my Facebook page right now.

I want to share this.

This can't happen.

Okay, fruitheight.org.

We've got to do it.

Elizabeth Nelson.

Kurt Williams.

Thank you both very, very much.

For being here with us today, absolutely.

But of course, thank you for all that you are doing.

Yes, keep up.

Just for this.

Let us know how we can help.

Thanks for having us.

Thank you.

Absolutely.

Thank you so much.

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How are the boys doing? Alright, let's back up to last week at the Valspar Championship. Tony Thienau finished T18 minus 4 280 on rounds of 69 69 71 and 71. Top 20 for Tony's trending in the right direction. We like that. Yes, Patrick Fishburn finished T 46. He finished even at 284 on rounds of 68 71 72 73 kind of slipped at the end, but it made cut, which means a check in points. So they are currently at the Houston Children's

Open and Tony currently says T 33 minus 4 136 on rounds of 67 and 69. Our boy Patrick missed the cut this week. So yeah, that's kind of because he's been making some cuts. Yeah, so he missed the cut plus 141 141 on rounds of 68 and 73. Okay, how about the corn fairy boys at the corn fairy. Excuse me, um, Taylor Montgomery, our honorary, uh, you pot sits currently at T 6 minus

10 134 on round of 65 and 69. Nice. Uh, Preston Summer Hayes. What's, what's happening? We have. Oh, I'm sorry, Zach Blair is T 27 minus 7 137 on a round of 67 and 70.

Okay, Zach's going to play the weekend. Yes. And then Preston Summer Hayes T 46 minus 6 138 on a round of 71 and 67. Bam, made cut for Preston. We've been waiting for that. We have. And then Daniel did miss the cut at minus 1 143 on

round of 69 and 74. Yes, lip the second round. Um, however, I've mentioned this before saw saw Daniel at a tee box a couple weeks ago. And he was looking good, looking strong. We talked a lot about

recovering from his back surgery. And I, I, I am not worried when I see this 74 because I, I think his body is right. I think, I think he's solid, uh, physically. And that's been the big question for Daniel. So we're happy about that. Okay. Well, Mike is on the Mike wear is on the champion's tour. He finished last week at the color guard classic T 50 even to 13 on rounds of 69 and 74 and 70. This week, he's at the Hoag classic. He is T 9 minus 5 on a first round.

66 top 10 going into the weekend. Fantastic. All right. We need to send some love to Kihei Akina. He is the mountain America credit union player. The week presented by Fairways magazine. Kihei's honest is back to back wins. He won at the Lampkin. Then he won at the bridge stone.

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A couple of quick programming notes. We will be talking later in the show with Bruce Brockbank head coach of Brigham Young University. The coogs are currently playing in the good one at Stanford University. And here's a shock. Kihei in the mix again. We're going to talk about that.

And then we also will have Dustin Volk, director of golf for Davis County joining us later in the show to continue the conversation about the development throughout post Davis Park.

All right, we got to take a break. We come back on the other side of special treat. I'm looking forward to my friend and colleague Kelly Corlett from first T Sacramento is going to be joining us.

Jan, we are hosting just in the other room here. I see all your coaches. Yeah, a national first T coach training. We're going to learn all about it going on here at Davis Park today.

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Yeah, we are back coming to you live today from Davis Park golf course where we are here. Going deep on the threat to this beautiful facility contained in the fruit height city general plan and we also are celebrating a first team national coach training taking place here at Davis Park this weekend more on that in just a minute.

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By one of the leading lights of the national first T organization a friend and colleague of mine for way too many years that either of us would want to admit probably i'm talking about Kelly Corlett the program director of first T Sacramento who is here for the national coach training that is taking place and first T coach training that is taking place here at Davis Park golf course this weekend Kelly Corlett good morning welcome to the show.

Thank you thank you for having me absolutely Kelly let's tee this up a little bit first of all tell us about what first T coach training is and what first T coach training path is like yeah so first T coach training is it's very dynamic it's super fun lots of moving parts to it and there's five different levels within the first T coaches program.

Level one is more of a locally done training for the chapters and then two through five is all run through the national home office and we have a great time doing it we absolutely love it it is it is really something and one one thing I want people to hear when when Kelly you're describing this stuff is there is a lot that goes into training a first T coach these coaches who work with your kids have a whole bunch of training behind them a lot of research that goes into the training a lot of curriculum.

Development that goes into it you've worked in this for years. It's no accident that you're one of the leading trainers in the nation.

When when you look at the whole arc of all this I'm interested in in your thoughts on it all the years you've been working in it yeah you know it's it's been an absolute pleasure to work in the field but I think you know we take the dynamics of life skills and golf we blend them together to work with our young people these days of all ages and then there's

the dynamic of you know understanding child development and where a child is cognitively in there and also physically within their their their growth spurts and so

yeah there's a lot that goes into it and you know our coaches come ready to learn from across the country and hopefully they leave just with a couple of little things and then it makes them better and it makes everybody else better at back at the local level.

You know they're going to leave with more than a couple although I get what you're saying it's more than that that's great we love it.

Kind of the nature of it describe what the coaches will be experiencing what you and the other national trainers will be doing here this this weekend and it's two and a half days it was all day yesterday all day today and a half a day Sunday yes what will they be experiencing what goes on one of these trainings right

so we break it down based upon age group so like this level for example we're at level two training so coaches experience

further information on working with 10 to 13 year olds they will have the opportunity to you know coaches will be coached by the national trainers

they will also have the opportunity to watch national trainers work with young people today actually

and then tomorrow they themselves will have the opportunity to work together as a group and work with children that are coming in

and they'll receive feedback and all kinds of good stuff you know you mentioned the kids coming in there there's a fun little side light on that

first to you talk where I work we are we are the host for this training we're very grateful to be in that role we're very grateful to you

and to your colleagues for coming and bringing the training here because it means that we're able to train a whole bunch of our coaches there's a bunch of you

talk coaches in that other room right half of them exactly right but so anyway the fun little little piece to this

we send down an email to to our database saying hey this national experience is coming to to you

talk we need 24 kids it's sold out if you will is free yeah totally but the signups capped in the

space of a couple hours I love it yeah super fun it was fun for us yeah okay right people want to do

this it's so fun too for the coaches because again many of them are from other states and things like

that and it's fun for them to be able to meet young people from from Utah but kind of outside of their regular

day and they have a good time enjoying it what just okay let me back all the way sure what is it take

to become a first tea coach I mean is it something that you have to is it a full-time job is it

I mean tell us a little bit more about what it takes to become a coach so totally so it kind of depends

actually it's varies from chapter to chapter some coaches are volunteers some coaches are part-time

staff people some are you know seasonal and some are full-time okay so you know you get to kind of

choose your path within the journey if if a coach would like they can remain at a specific level

so okay if a coach wants to remain at a level two that's perfectly fine it's the journey is

there so they get to choose and go from there it is wonderful I love your question Jan I appreciate

you asking it I I would like Kelly if I made to describe an interview that I do as the president

of first tea Utah I talk with all our coaches before they move out and frequently people will say

I'm not a great golfer I'm not a great teacher I'm I'm not ton of sharp I can't be a first tea

coach because I'm not a good enough golfer well that's not true okay yeah it's not and because

they say I'm not Tommy Sharp I'm not Cory Badger I'm not one of these great teachers and and I say

well look two things first of all we will put you together in teams of coaches with with PGA

professionals right we all we always do that and I say however I have very specific questions for

you and I have three questions I ask every coach coming in okay number one can you love the kids

yes number two can you keep them safe yes number three can you send them away feeling good

about themselves and their experience at first tea yes if you can do those things folks

we want you to be a part of first tea we want you to bring your passion for this game

and your passion for helping kids grow up to be successful adults right we want to the first

tea our objective is to give the kids the tools to become successful adults right and it's one

way I say it and it's fast it's and I want to say this with you Kelly Corlett first tea sacramental

seating here one of the things I say is we are not trying to create two or players now it

happens sometimes and it's fun when it does let me tell you some names Brittany linsekum major

winner Paula Kramer major winner cam champ Austin smotherman okay why did I pick those last two names

because they're from sacramental okay Kelly tell us about your two first tea kids

they are wonderful young men I've known Cameron since he was probably six years old when I met him

and he was a real little guy he was well I know I know but no great family we really enjoy the

the champ family I also I volunteer with another program that his sister is actually a participant in

so yeah so I get to see a sister weekly for about 20 weeks throughout the year so it's great but

no they're wonderful young men it's been an absolute pleasure to watch them grow and develop and

you know they they get to do what they love but they do it in in a very graceful way oh they do

they do yeah they do you know I could a little while ago a couple of years ago I was having lunch with

your colleague Michael Frippo yeah and and I said how in the world you coach cam champ he goes oh I

get out of the way yeah that's for sure you sit back and you watching you enjoy he says that

that kid showed up just drip and talent and we all knew it but there is a message here we are

trying to use golf and it's inherent characteristics to because golf doesn't just allow for the

development of character it demands the development of 100% endlessly difficult self scored self

refereed it makes the kids develop what they need to become successful adults you've seen this

your whole career yeah yeah um the uh and that's why it works it is it's fascinating you know

I absolutely love you know when a child comes into our program and say they're seven years old

and they stick with it and you know if they want to play in college great if they choose not too

that's fine too um again they get to choose their path but then when they're 25 and they come

back and they check in and you know they're a police officer or you know they're a financial advisor

and they or they you know we have an alum that works for the LPJ tour and they look at you and say

I get it now I understand why you said what you said and now I can apply that to you know adulthood

virtually yeah so it is such a it's a rewarding career yeah and again I I absolutely love it

that is so cool um it is deeply gratifying to me two of the coaches training in the other room

there are former first to Utah kids yeah they grew up in the program became adults and now they're

coaching with us and continuing their coaching path it's really fun when you see that happen it

is you know it is fun when you get to see that happen it's fun you know from a national trainer when

you get to see them in the room um especially when it's a child that are now an adult but a child

that you knew yeah um you know I am an alum of the first see it looks it looks now very different

from when I participated but um it really set the stage for a welcoming environment for me um and

trust me my family no one had any thoughts of me getting into the game of golf like as an adult

I think my parents are still pretty surprised about it but yeah no it's been an absolute pleasure

and you told me something cool the other day when we were chatting uh a Utah connection in your

high school golf team playing with a summer haze yes tell us about that yes so I played um high

school golf with Hannah summer haze um and is this an in Sacramento in Sacramento yes uh huh yes

I was born and raised in Sacramento um obviously still live there now but yeah no I played with

Hannah summer haze for all we were everywhere yeah and they're every golfing family like that is for

sure yeah we'll look legend here in Utah and be impactful in every positive way yeah wonderful family

I mean I mean just just a moment ago we were doing our U-Pot update Kelly a U-Pot is a Utah player

on tour okay great okay we were doing our U-Pot update and who are we talking about Jan Daniel

summer haze press and summer haze yeah that's that's really cool um Kelly before we set you free

thank you so much for being with us but what one thing do you want people to know about first

tea and about first tea coach training you know I think in terms of the first tea in general it

really does change lives both for children and for the adults that get involved um it gives a

sense of purpose for everybody um and if you are kind of on the fence and you have extra time and

say oh what do I you know what am I gonna do with my extra time I'm looking for something to get

involved with I would really look into a local chapter wherever you may be obviously here in Utah

or see Utah first tea Utah dot org yes um but yeah the coach training it really is you know

life changing it gives you a different perspective on you know working with young people and working

also too with other adults um that's part of what we do and so you know I would absolutely

encourage anyone with a child to get involved with first tea and then again with an adult even if

you're not a great golfer or anything like that that is not part of the requirements but come join

it really is life changing so well said thank you so much Kelly Corlett first tea sacramento and a

national coach trainer thank you for joining us thank you for having me absolutely all right we

got to take a break when we come back on the other side a little things and stuff with my

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host of big technology podcast a longtime reporter and an on air contributor to CNBC and if you're

like me you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing the business world

and our lives so each week on big technology I bring on key actors from companies building AI

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choices and meetings with your colleagues and at dinner parties listen to big technology podcast

or ever you get your podcasts yeah they have two new iron sets out and a whole new series of

ladies clubs just released this week so we have them in store ready to go ready to hit ready to fit

ready to hit yeah you should probably patent that one for you I just was thinking I mean

I'm working marketing that was excellent I'm gonna steal that for sure I just came out of my

mouth actually I know that's fantastic okay so in the ready to hit ready to fit

category tell us about the new ping ions yeah so the big one there's a new i540 iron

taken place of the the previous i530 it's players distance iron so compare it to like a

tailor-made p790 or a cowboy apex series or ping i530 one of our better selling players distance

irons kind of geared towards the the player that that's a pretty good ball striker looking for

that you know half a club to a club extra distance it's got a miraging steel face so it's a

forge face they've thinned it out just a little bit for a little more flexing result in more ball

speed and higher ball flight to off that kind of the a little bit stronger loft that this club

requires to get that extra distance and we've got the inner air technology and so it's a little

so it's a hollow club like most players distance irons are so it's an air pocket behind the face

and it's it's gotten proved sound and feel from the previous model and from what i've heard

on this they've taken the patents from from Nike irons from back when they

exited the club market yeah yeah that is so interesting um so Nike of course out of the hard

goods business they are apparently selling off their patents yeah i don't know how long they've

been holding on to this but that's just something i've heard is that they've kind of

taken that that technology from from Nike from when they were exiting the club market

fascinating well that's been over 10 years now so yeah yeah it's been a minute right

so very very interesting um another one of the things that's interesting to me here is that

these hollow body irons remain with with an air space rather than foam um to tell tell me uh

about what what that what that means for the uh for for the playability of the irons how they

perform all that yeah uh like i know tailor made uses like a speed foam in their their 790 iron

i know other brands typically they're they're kind of a hollow body and i i don't know the

ins and outs of the engineering of it all but uh i do know the i5 30 iron was very very popular

and and still remained popular and um with with us having the the demo heads of the i5 40 irons

for the last couple of weeks and people testing them and and with them releasing this week we

have sold a few sets already um i haven't tried them myself but feedback has been very positive

on on this new iron already so uh my my i'm not i'm not sure how like the the foam versus the

non-foam how how they engineer and how that all works but anyway it's it's a great iron

might tell us about the uh women's g le four yes it's actually g le it's

no i like the leg better i'm saying that on purpose you know you know i do for the leg four

i like it it sounds French it's not

uh yeah they have a whole new series it's replacing the the g le three

um um yeah and and so like in the driver for example they they're featuring the carbon fly

wrap technology and that's the same technology that's in the g four forty k driver

okay and um so they they have a whole series driver fairly woods hybrids irons and putters

um and it's it's a really really good club for ladies and uh it's it's ultra lightweight

the the driver features a heavy back weight that's positioned like slightly in the heel of the

driver so slight slight draw bias um but with that it's it's super easy to hit if we're all

you ladies out there you got to come try to think yes they are good like that i i like the lightweight

of them and they are they're they're very easy to hit yes are there a lot of your uh girls go

golfing women playing ping club stand we have a few that are pretty hardcore ping-ping

ping-likers but i think that you know nowadays our clubs our bags are such such a mod podge of

different clubs different brands i mean i think that we find the ones that are best for us but i

know that the ping drivers are something that girls really like that makes sense the color scheme

on these is something yeah the purple it yeah it's almost like a it's almost like a cobalt blue

lapis yeah it's it's like a combination between purple and that it's it's a really really really

good looking club lapis lapis and lefort lefort on the lapis mic i'm sorry i'm sorry we brought

jam today i don't know you can't take me anywhere i like to mess things up no no actually i love it

i like to throw you off everyone okay thanks mike mike you've got you've got these at all your

your stores up and down the state and i write about that yes the one thing i did notice yesterday as

we were actually trying to sell somebody a hybrid and we somehow didn't get the hybrids individually

in stock but the iron sets come uh in combo sets with hybrids included but we'll get the hybrids

individually um real soon i hope but we have drivers fairway woods iron sets and putters in the

ladies and we have the i540 irons and a few sets of g740 irons ready lots lots of reasons to go to

you into this weekend jam yep lots okay guys get yourselves in there check these things out

mike thanks for joining us friend all right thank you guys okay that's mike element from you

into golf all right we got to take a break when we come back on the other side as promise

Bruce Brockbank we are you are listening to you talk off radio powered by t-box on the Rocky

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where they can help your kids find the right college to continue their athletic careers college

coaches connection dot com Jan we are joined now by speaking of college coaches how about one of the

best there is a member of the college coaches Hall of Fame for crying out loud we're talking Bruce

Brockbank from Oregon University coach good morning welcome the show good morning Paul and Jan

good morning coach coach we know you are busy this morning we so appreciate you joining us but

holy cow there is so much to talk about you guys have been on a sizz lately what's going on at

cougarville well whatever is going on I sure like it you know guys you know the guys are about

working hard and you know this game we played always has a way of humbling you and we're we're

on a little bit of a hot streak right now the guys are playing some great golf it's really fun to

watch it it it can humble you it does humble you but every once in a while it kind of sits back and

says oh yeah I remember now you guys are dang good and you guys are dang good well thank you uh

you know it's it's uh it's funny how you know you you hope that it's gonna come around and

we've had some really good events this year and then we've had some that we're a little under

the weather if you will but the guys are they're back on a little bit of a hot streak and it's

it's really been fun to watch because it's from one through five you know yeah everybody's kind

of stepped up in their own little way and just shot scores that are you know that really make

a difference for your team to be successful um we we want you're currently at the good one

uh one of the major events on the calendar every year it's hosted by Stanford I want to talk

about that in a minute uh we need to talk about Kihei Akina holy cow what a horse beast

but before we get to that we we've got to talk about the uh the the the Silverado

yes tournament that you guys just want the bridge stone special to this program it is deeply

connected to the Miller family but what you guys did there was astonishing it was historic

record setting for this program that has such a history already wow what I'm I'm the

little one sure where to start but let me start with this you just mentioned one through five

in your final round at the bridge stone you threw out a 200 par 70 holy cow you know that was

part of the conversation after we finished uh in fact it was that way that you know the first

and the second day because it's just so uh that fourth and fifth score or so key and uh to be

able to shoot throw out scores that are under par uh that just tells you that um you know the guys

are playing well and uh man you just keep going further under par when everybody's uh uh

that way and and as you saw it was one of those uh record setting performances it was just uh

really awesome you know the golf course is always in pretty good shape it was just fantastic this year

at Silverado and uh the guys you know they feel at home at least Simon and and Todd or you know

because it's a big part of their home and uh the rest of the guys just kind of felt really

comfortable and uh all of a sudden the putt started going in and hitting some great shots on the

par three's and and uh i think we're 21 under par that first round and that kind of takes care

of itself that's a yeah start yeah it does here's another great measure um key hey a keyna who won

the event he comes in the last day and uh the the final round and probably a smile on his face

hand you a 63 feeling good and i can just see the scene where you go yeah yeah whatever and you hold

up Peter Kim's card with a 61 on it oh my goodness wow well and you know that you know that

doesn't happen very often but it was here fun to see you know you go out that last day

and fall in January both no golf's a little uh little fickle and you got a little bit of heat

and you you know you got a lead and it's a pretty good lead and you just don't know you or the

guy's going to come out and be a little tight and uh and struggle a little bit or they're going

to come out just uh fire and ready to go and that's what happened and and just right

when they get on the road yeah they were they were going yeah well it was a 25 shot victory boy

that's a sentence you don't make very often a 25 shot victory uh over Santa Clara BYU at minus

54 Santa Clara at minus 29 absolutely staggering coach um amazing congratulations well thank you

it was uh it was quite a week and and like I said it was just fun to see the guys get going

and Peter Kim's been struggling a little bit and they have him shoot 61 definitely uh helps the

cost yeah yeah it does um and by the way folks the way you get to that is you make seven birdies

and two eagles with a clean card oh no that's just crazy that's just nuts okay um and then of course

Kihei Kino wins uh the on the on the individual side uh for his second win in a row hi this is

Alex Cantrowitz I'm the host of big technology podcast a longtime reporter and an on air contributor

to CMBC and if you're like me you're trying to figure out how artificial intelligence is changing

the business world and our lives so each week on big technology I bring on key actors from companies

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podcast wherever you get your podcasts I have an unfair but simple question for you coach

how good is Kihei Kino I think I think we had a taste of that before you've been started school

when he won that Utah open it's uh the kid is really he he just has a knack for playing this game

and he's good in every cat you know aspect uh he drives the ball very well his iron plays great

his wedges are pretty prime is a super short game and boy when the boy the kid can pot he's as good

as anybody well that sounds like a good formula to me well that's I think that's why uh that's

why he's pretty good and then you know what and then to and then his mind is really really mature

for a young kid he he handles himself quite well out there on the golf course doesn't get too worked

up and and uh that's Kihei Kino yeah you have played on great BYU teams you have seen great BYU

teams you have coached great BYU teams you have seen played with and coached dozens of great BYU

players Kihei is just a freshman he is a young guy but do you have a sense yet of where he fits

into the historic pantheon of BYU Cougar golfers you mentioned it uh very well we've we've had some

great players and we've been very fortunate great players great kids and and he's definitely one

of those right at the top for sure wow that says a lot for a 19 year old kid oh my goodness um let's

step forward into the current day and again here's a shock you guys are in the mix

um Kihei Kino in the mix at one of the top tournaments on the calendar every year the

good one at at Stanford University tells what's going on there on this the final day of this great

tournament well and you know you you uh Stanford anytime you put that name on anything it's

it's uh first class and conrad and uh his staff they do a great job here with the good one and

uh um remembering Wally Goodwin one of the great Stanford coaches uh being here it's always a

treat to come the golf course uh once against in fabulous shape and they've got to trick up pretty good

so it's uh it's holding its own with some really good golf teams and we're right there on the mix

with uh Stanford and and Long Beach and and UCLA in New Mexico uh the name of you there's just

a lot of good teams playing well and and uh we got a chance to go out there and and uh play another

good round see if we can't win this thing yeah tied for the lead the team lead after the first two

of three rounds tied with UCLA there are 15 nationally ranked teams in this field whoever comes

out of this will have accomplished a lot and get a whole bunch of points on the scoreboard rankings

um but uh man what an impressive incredible key hay who is currently ranked uh number 20 in the

nation and in the in the NCAA individually and I should have noted uh BYU ranked 24th right now

key hay is currently at t2 one shot out of the lead with 18 holes left to play um the way

they're running this tournament coach is key hay gonna be playing with the other leaders are they

breaking it up that way or is it still team by team it uh he will be playing with um I know the

kid that he's tied with from UCLA um and uh I think they will be playing together they uh

tee up here in about uh what 30 minutes uh with all the number one guys for you know Stanford

Long Beach UCLA and us so should be right there pretty incredible what's this trip

been like for you um on paper it looks hard uh looks looks like you've got a lot of logistics to

work out but uh but you've been delivering uh what's the trip been like for you oh it's been great

you know we were hoping that uh you know we felt like our qualifying scores our practices have been

trending and um you know to come out here and and uh have the guys do what they're doing uh this

week has been you know quite a treat and you just hope to keep building on it um be a big day

today see how we respond and then um get home and keep working at it because this is kind of the

time of the year you want to uh get rolling get rolling indeed we'll coach we're sure gonna be uh

cheering for you we're sure gonna be be watching the rest of the way and um my goodness uh give

our best to the to the team this is really incredible what you are doing right now well thanks so

much we appreciate uh you being a part of it and uh you know making people aware it's uh really

appreciate it absolutely go knock him dead today coach get him thanks so much appreciate it

absolutely okay that's coach Bruce Brockbank Brigham Young University holy cow Jan I know it's just

a little mind boggling but it's so dang cool it's just cool to say so a couple things I want

I want to emphasize that coach was talking about when he mentioned the the scores for players four

and five yes that is always the demarcation the the that is always the the prime sign of a great

college team is when the fourth and fifth players are contributing and contributing red numbers

most college programs most top division one programs will have number one number two

frequently number three solid players great players that is quite common when a college team

separates itself it's when those four and five players are contributing and making scores and

when they're capable of winning themselves which goes back to last year's university of Utah team

where they had all five of their players having won in a calendar year individual tournaments so

that is really significant what coach was saying there about the the scores number four and five

four five yeah and the way you're throwing away you're throwing away

throwing away a seven so you know the format a play five count for and they threw away a 70

because they did not need it because there were four scores better yeah 61 wow

61 that's just stupid but I also want to to really pause on what he was saying about Kihei Akina

very few people are in a position to know and understand quite as well as Bruce Brock

Bank where Kihei is in in the the arc the historic arc of the Utah game and measured against

other Brigham Young University stars and Bruce is already saying yes Kihei is one of those as a

freshman 19 years old oh he's you know what he's gonna go probably well it is it is an open question

does he finish his four years at Brigham Young that's it's hard because I mean I think education

is probably pretty important to him and his family and the development of those years of your life

agree and and we know his family we know his father especially we know that one of the reasons

Kihei chose Brigham Young University he had Brock Bank said 200 offers yeah I don't know if

that number's accurate but I accept it I totally accept it Kihei could have gone anywhere

played anywhere yeah and he chose Brigham Young he chose to stay home and I think he wants that

experience I will not be surprised if Kihei states I wouldn't be either I mean you're you're

exactly right I mean this is the development of his of him is a grown a growing man and and

being able to figure out all those things on his own okay Jan let's talk about somebody who needs

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too but at the same time it's really sad and it's really hard to watch all of the replays of his

DU or his arrest and and the slurring and the falling asleep behind the car it's hard to see these

things because this is tiger what's the word talking about and our kids respect and love him so much

I love him and he's an he's an icon of this game and the last thing we want to do is remember him

this way now one thing I think it's highly likely that we will come to know is that this DUI will be

relative to paying medication yeah still don't drive I know I mean you make how much money you don't

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I don't think we need to say I mean this kid is I mean he's not even a kid anymore he's a young

he's a grown man here's his last three weeks I don't know he's 19 well okay when when I was 19 you

weren't you weren't doing this just you know I was trying to burp the rocks yeah the

but look it was only a few years prior to my 19th birthday that 18 year olds could vote

most exactly back back when until I was in junior high you had to be 21 to vote

he has not that by two years so anyway look in the last three weeks in the last three weeks

okay go a top 20 in a PJ tour event a college win a college win and he stands on the

prepsis of a college win that would be cool key hey key hey kina on us is I love it all right we

got to take a break when we come back on the other side we will be talking with your friend and

ours Dustin Volt director of golf for Davis County you are listening to Utah Golf Radio powered

by T-Box on the Rocky Mountain Golf Network you're listening to Paul and Jan on Utah Golf Radio

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of the bright lights one of the luminaries of the Utah game and he's over here smiling a little bit

but this is one of those times when i'm right i'm talking about destined volt director of golf

for Davis County Dustin good morning welcome the show good morning fall jammed good to be with you

so glad to have you with us um Dustin we love talking with you there's always something interesting

when you're involved normally it has to do with tournaments and what a great player you are

normally we're talking about you winning a section championship or winning a section match play

or something like that that you've done in recent years but right now you're up to your eyeballs in

day job stuff yeah it's been an exciting uh exciting couple of years uh exciting spring value

we've got a huge project going on we're renovating our parking lot and Davis Park has uh had some

attention Davis Park has had some attention i do want an update on on the parking lot project in a

minute sure but um Davis Park um look that's why we're here today because Davis Park is under threat

this is the sixth time in the last five years that a golf course in Utah has been under threat of

development and the previous five all have withstood that threat because the community has stood up

and said no and we spoke with um uh we spoke with Kurt Williams and Elizabeth Nielsen earlier in

the show about their community organization now we want your perspective and you are in the

arguably uncomfortable position being both a county employee and an advocate of golf because

you run two golf courses two of the great golf courses in this state value and Davis Park

yeah what's been doing you know you know i'm just first of all just really really grateful

grateful for the community grateful for all of our golfers really grateful for our county

commissioners um where where this has kind of come to light over the last couple of years it's

really been nice to see the Davis County Commission step up and uh several of them writing statements

of support that the golf courses here it's not going anywhere we're not selling it

the other night there was the the town hall meeting here and it was nice to see three candidates

that are running for county commissioners that matters if people are willing to campaign on

an issue like this yeah matters so you know from my perspective what i think it's really really

important to know that there's kind of two big issues here the first issue is that Davis Park is

in this boundaries of fruit height city and we as the as a golf pro i mean i i go way back 30

something years and have worked with fruit heights uh i remember i think the very first time

that i learned how to drive a backhoe was because we borrowed fruit heights and brought it down

here on the golf course pause pause pause pause for just a little minute you can drive a backhoe

i might not drive it real straight but okay but that's been the partnership with fruit heights

for years and years and then we'll continue to be so and and what i've learned i knew about this

general plan like two years ago i got called and said hey we the city the city manager the time

he's now retired said you know they got they got themselves into a grant where they needed to rewrite

their general plan and and i don't really understand all of it but i understand enough that the city

was required to in their plan they needed to provide some scenarios for some high density housing

and slaughter it didn't come housing it's the journey m m i h yes and that is real and it's real and it's

true story and fortunate unfortunate for fruit heights is that they're already about 90% build out

so where in the world can you put it right and in that context i want to say again i have deep

respect for a city council by definition the hard stuff goes to the city council and this is a hard

one yeah that's right so they needed to finish up this general plan and so of course

in doing the research they realizing that davis park was you know just county-owned general property

there's no green space or the term is f six f protections so there's no federal grants that help

purchase this that's a really important thing to understand valley view our you know our

brother and sister course the valley view up the street it was initially purchased with a federal

grant uh so it's a 50-50 matching dollars grant and so valley view is in this six f so it's tied to

be has to be recreation has to stay forever so if davis county wanted to sell valley view

say it was worth a hundred million dollars or something they would have to take that value and

put it back into recreation so it's not like that you just I just got a hundred million

sitting around like they could turn around and go build roads right it has to stay in recreation

and it's you sell just the 17th green no maybe just the back left of it just for pop okay it might

be that i've never had a good color there but we'll call it color way but ultimately that's that's

kind of the big tricky point here with davis park is it was before all of those federal grants

came and it was here it was built it was really super successful and so the city knowing that

well there's really not any green space or major protection on valley view i mean on davis park

they needed to generate that in their plans so be it good or bad everyone can have their own

opinion i have my own personal opinion about it of course you know i'm gonna lean i like golf

and and i want to see this place around for hundreds of years with and davis park is successful and

i i'll put it up with any golf course in the state of Utah we did 119 whole rounds last year

that's the highest that's ever done by probably about 7,000 more i think in the 90s if Brad and

if i remember like there was a 102 103,000 rounds in the in the tiger boom late 90s so i walked

9 at dusk last night here it's back gorgeous love it gorgeous yeah and there's people still here

everywhere so this is a jewel to davis county it's a jewel to fruit height city they know that the

city knows it i even you know i'm quite certain the city managers personally told me hey we don't

want it to go anywhere we love davis park they were just kind of handcuffed and need to put this

plan together um the citizens i'll kind of back them a little bit that i think that maybe they

didn't quite know that the plan was put together the way it was um but a lot of that's probably on

all of us the citizens too we our cities are our county officials they they there's a lot of work

that's done behind the scenes and i'm not engaged in our community we may not know what's kind of

going on behind the scenes so and without those voices and without those voices you can't make a

difference yeah so i think this is a classic case of the city needing to require to do something

and the public really not knowing how much was being done so maybe their voice wasn't heard

what they would like and so now after two years there's there's there's a little bit more of a

voice so i support all i'm kind of have to kind of sit on the fence on this i know my personal

opinion davis park's not going anywhere our county commission is committed to it we're successful

or profitable um we just saw here you guys were probably sitting up and wondering why there's

these gentlemen lined up well in two weeks as our davis park men's club tournament for we

call it the davis park masters it's kind of a major it's on master saturday yeah there was 50

guys just here i know yeah we thought they were here for us yeah i got that they weren't okay

but then sign up started yeah and nobody cared about us anymore right so they had we had to move

them all out on the patio the staff here did a great job of you know getting us sign up list to

making as fair as possible but that's how popular we are anymore that you have to come here three

hours in advance hey listen if we have to get those if we have to get a hundred thousand people

to stand on your golf course i bet with social media we could do it yeah so we're we're successful

we're popular it's not going anywhere and we've got some plans in place that maybe we could kind

of get some of those protections like ballot you have that money is still out there those federal

dollars grants for recreation water infrastructure still there we've now kind of taking the lid off

of some of that and we we're going to explore some options that maybe we could get here davis what

options are there well there's what there's called a land and water conservation grant which is

still advertised it's every year some federal dollars come it goes through the Utah state of

recreation i actually visited with a gentleman already just this last week and and and golf

hasn't had much i don't know if he he tried to make it explain that not too many golf courses have

applied for this grant they did do one for richfield city on their golf course just this last

grant cycle okay i think he had it's had something to do with their water and infrastructure so

if you go back and look at their documents clear back into the cities you can see several golf

courses early on were beneficiaries of that grant if that grant comes true and it gets some

federal dollars then it throws it into that success protection and so you hear it's recreation

forever okay so that's that's the goal i think we've learned some stuff i'm laying my cards out

on the table i'm not going to be ashamed to tell people that yeah my goal is to to get davis

parks more secured like ballot you value they just can't it's successful they can't touch it and

why when we're making money it's profitable and every t-shirt community loves it it's a community

it's a family i know we've had that parking lot renovation going on and it's getting a little

impacting but just with the phones ringing off the hook did you get the range open is there ain't

well i mean their their little range building had to be torn down and it is open sorry valedictive

staff because i might get bombarded yeah really parking still tricky we're using everybody everybody

go to value walk in the pro shop and say destined set i could come it is open

park down the street and we're in the two ball machines are down sitting right out in the

cart staging area and so it's it's kind of a mess plan on a a little what nice jump to get to

the range but we do have it open we're on a forward t davis's range has been open all year and it's

packed some of the sounds so i mean i know it's a turf tee but it's been it's tripled its revenue

year to date from last year so maybe that has something to do with value being close to but we're

getting them open we've been an awesome spring for golf we do need a little bit of moisture

yeah we all we only that what what's the time vector on the the drive the parking lot project

asphalt is the final grading and asphalt is going to be late starting april 6th so i think we're

going to be far not too far out so we're going to be closed the sixth and then we're going to open

back up for Tuesday min's day on on the seventh and then the eighth and ninth so we'll probably

be closed those three days for sure so we do looks like some weather's coming next week but the

following week we need a good we need it yeah um i want to go i want to go back to the

relationship between city of fruit heights and county of davis because i think it has potential

to be a little bit confusing on this particular point for davis park yeah we are talking about the

threat from the city of fruit heights uh general plan and it's real now davis park is a county

facility and so the first line of defense is the county commission um and as you noted

this county commission has no intention of selling it yeah and as you noted and this is

really significant i think county commission candidates were in the room the other night

and they were saying we have no intention of selling it i have some letters they they were

handing out some written letters of a ten oh can miss that so they're putting them on putting

writing okay that matters more that's right okay so in the for the current situation and in the

foreseeable future the first line of defense that four davis park is solid and that is the county

commission right and can we just pause give some golf claps to the davis county commission

because they're amazing holy cow yes you just said they're amazing support there and they are

you know it's commissioner cross commissioner stevenson commissioner kamaloo they've been amazing

support kamaloo and stevenson have been in there they're just about up for the been in for eight

years this will be the end of the year eight year stevenson's retiring out he's not going to run

anymore kamaloo's on the ballot again to to run again so we share the best they've been amazing

all three of them been amazing support commissioner alia before commissioner cross last year they've

all been great supporters of golf alia ten stevenson and kamaloo were the ones that kind of were

involved when we restructured are the when Brad retired and the director of golf right so

you know they've just been really on board and we really have had the most successful five years

in the history of both golf courses the last five years a lot of that post covid golf

popular our prepaid model on and on and on i could go but i got great staff and great customers

and these places are gems they're in great shape the greens are good and people just love to play

and it's nice to see that you know every every day the t-shirts are pretty much full i was looking at

this morning if you want to play here at davis today valley just got the big us kids thing going

on today so they're probably me but i think you could there was five single spots open this evening

one two sum and three single that davis that davis part so if you wanted to play you better get on

that get online right now because there's only five spots that's spots people spots that's not

t-times spots spots so five people could play the rest of the day now you're you are correct to

identify your staff as being key to this whole this this whole scenario this whole situation and

it goes deep it goes to the into the inside staff it goes to the outside staff it goes to the

ground staff but i do want to call out two of the leaders and that of course are the head golf

professionals Zach Johnson at davis park and Pete stone at valley view these are two of the great

leaders in the game two of the great champions of the game and i think that matters yeah and they both

grew up associated with these golf courses and that matters as well yeah sure does and as you

know it sure matters to me and i i won't get too choked up but it's nice to work with your best

friends okay that's true and and sometimes you know when you work with your best friends as well

can you have it hard to conversations and hey we need this done better new those two are the best

they really are and if and we're all on the same page we all have the same goal we want these

the t-sheets full we want the golf courses full we want them in nice shape we want the cards

cleaned we want we want to put out the best product we possibly can it's hard to do it a public

facility when they're so busy yeah um and you're dealing with a lot of seasonal help you know you

hire a lot of high school kids that it's spring break next week and i hear there's already challenges

because we can't we know we have 20 card kids hired at each place but nobody wants to work next week

spring break so yeah welcome welcome those are the things but Pete and Zach uh

collie like i said best friends forever um i had a cool video that my my wife and i watched

some home videos of the day and Pete and i were right here at davis on the patio in 2001

hitting some balls in in February there was foot of snow on the ground back when it snowed in

February remember that and he and i had we were smacking some balls on some video in oh one

out onto the range and man i was a lot younger and so was Pete and we both had a lot more hair

you part big age so don't even get me that you look at those videos please but i mean that's how far

back we go and even farther than that so that's cool 30 35 years now mine i mean i don't

grew up at Hubbard plenty and there and so that was my whole childhood youth and

but davis park's home and this this whole subject and you know kind of being put under the

microscope davis the value of it i mean it's it's sensitive to us all and and Pete even

even though he's the pro at value but he grew up here and so yeah his dad his dad brad was

pro here forever grandfather pair billed it you know that's what gets i understand it you know

the Utah's really growing in every piece of land as we all know housings is really really high

and it's hard to find places to live for our kids but it's still we need a community we

want to stop having kids but we but we need community right and we live here because we have

access to places like davis park and like value view and all over other courses around and our city

parks and stuff it can't be just asphalt and shingles and roads from the mountain to the great salt

lake no we need these places no and in that context we have we we have correctly pointed out how the

county commission davis county commission and the foreseeable county commission the first line of

defense is solid right i also want to note again that i think the fruit high city council has a

difficult job meeting both the requirements to construct a general plan that recognizes

the need to plan for moderate income housing number one and protecting this unique

and vital jewel of davis park i think they have a difficult job and i want to give this the

council a shout out to say um i admire how the council is stepping up and taking this on

because it's a it's a big it's a tough lift but i also want to say to everybody out there who cares

about this facility who cares about golf in uta who cares about green space in our communities

who cares about community gathering spots be a part of this of this community effort now is the

time to involve yourself and raise your voice make yourself heard to the city council i guarantee

you the city council wants and needs to hear your voice yeah yeah they do they do and at the end of

the day like i said being engaged understand what you're understand understand what your city

officials and councils they're up against and and and and then they got pressures coming from them

and they're a lot of these people are elected and that's for free they don't get paid hardly

and so just being engaged and support them uh remember nobody a lot of these people you know they're

not really seeking out for some great you know a award for doing it but just being engaged and

know what's going on and support support your local officials sure you can have differing opinions

but being engaged that's what i think being engaged okay that's a good place to leave it right

yep thanks for being here thanks for always the support of golf you two are the best it's it's

really nice to to have the have a groups like you that really elevate golf for us well that's

kind of you to say it's enough support or no thank you but this show and your help is it's there's

no value to it for us well thank you thank you um that matters um because we think you're the best

and we love these Davis Park so that department these Davis County I mean it's these Davis County

facilities Davis Park and Valley view um and uh boy I hope all of the decision-making structure

in Davis County and in the communities here uh fruitite city and then actually I don't know

what city is Valley view late late late in the city fruitite city Davis County we hope all

of the decision-makers in these uh political uh jurist understand how much statewide these golf

courses are treasured yeah right uh because they are they are treasured yep and um thanks so much

absolutely thank you thank you Dustin so appreciate all you do friend all right that is Dustin Volk

the director of golf for Davis County holy cow all right more to come on this one yes definitely

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everybody for listening to the show today thanks of course to all the people who joined us on the

show and please those of you in in Southern Davis County especially if you live in fruit heights

become involved in the effort to save Davis Park the threat Israel as long as that plan is on

the books be in there is a path open there's a gate there's a gateway there and so be in be in

the know be involved be engaged and make your voice heard all right thank you so much for being

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