Verdict watch in a mother's murder trial. A firefighter's killer wife. Plus, extraditions 101.

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2:02In date line roundup, the latest court filing for Brian Coburger, who pleaded guilty to the murder of four University of Idaho students, but now wants to take it back. And 30 years after hip hop legend Tupac Shakur was gunned down while driving on the Las Vegas strip, there's a verdict that the trial of the man accused of orchestrating the murder. Is the four men read the verdict? Tupac's sister grasped hands with the rest of Tupac's family. Plus a former federal prosecutor gives us the low down on the extradition process. How easy is it to bring a defendant back from overseas to face justice? It took three years, which tells you extradition can take a long time. Before all that, we're heading to Massachusetts, where we're on verdict watch at the murder trial of former labor and delivery nurse Lindsay Clancy. And a reminder, this story contains distressing details, including discussion of suicide. It's the case that started out as a local tragedy, the deaths of three young children,

3:06Korra, Kalan, and Dawson Clancy at the hands of their mother Lindsay back in January 2023. Three years later, Lindsay's murder trial has ignited conversations around the world about mental health, parenting, and how we treat women in crisis. This week, the world is awaiting the decision of 12 jurors as they deliberate inside a Plymouth County courthouse. Did Lindsay Clancy kill her children as a result of undiagnosed postpartum psychosis, as she says, or did the mom of three deliberately murder them as the Commonwealth alleges? Joining me now is Dateline Correspondent, Blaine Alexander, who has been in the courtroom for the final days of this trial. Blaine, it's great to have you. Thanks so much for joining us. I know you're in your car here, such as the glamorous life of a Dateline Correspondent, but we appreciate it. Of course, of course, we are just unverted to watch, Lester. Blaine, you've been at the courthouse inside and talking to people outside. We've watched as the

4:10attention on this case has grown day by day. Talk a little bit about what you're seeing. I mean, one thing that we see without fail is the intense media scrum around defense attorney Kevin Ridington. Every time he enters the courthouse, exits the courthouse. I mean, there is this kind of crush of cameras and journalists and just people around him asking him questions. One thing that we've also seen outside, there have been some people who have come out to show supportive Lindsey Clancy, people who have no connection to this case, but have been watching it from afar. I spoke with a family who came from New Hampshire. I spoke with a couple who drove up from Baltimore, who just wanted to be in the courtroom. A couple of people have brought signs. They're wearing pink. One woman brought a sign that said she asked for help. So this really does kind of show that of course, regardless of what happens inside the courtroom, it really has sparked a lot of a lot of dialogue here. Yeah. So let's rewind the clock a little bit here before the case made its way into the hands of the jury. They heard closing arguments. Lindsey's defense attorney, Kevin Ridington was up first. After weeks of technical cross examination and witness

5:15testimony, his message seemed pretty clear. Yeah. Lester, I mean, it has been fascinating to watch these closing arguments from both sides, but Kevin Ridington, the defense attorney, has been pretty clear all along saying that Lindsey Clancy is a great mother, a devoted mother. In fact, this young lady did nothing wrong in her life. She was a nurse, a daughter, a wife, and a darn good mother. However, she was suffering mentally after the birth of her third child. In a Ridington says that she asked for help repeatedly. She was given a number of different medications by different doctors and that that only made her condition worse. And you know, at one point during the closing arguments, Lester, he held up these huge poster boards. One was a photo of the Clancy family from social media. You can see Lindsey, her now ex-husband Patrick, the children smiling together. And then he holds up a second poster board where you see Lindsey lying on a hospital bed after the deaths of her children and after she attempted to die by suicide. And he compared these two striking side-by-side images. This is their family. How does

6:26turn into this? How? Because of the damn medicine and the lousy medical care that she got. And remember, Lester and all of this, it depends called several expert witnesses to testify about how Lindsey was having a psychotic episode when she killed her children and that she simply didn't know right from wrong when it was happening. Ridington also held up Lindsey's bottles of medication, which were prescribed to the months leading up to the deaths and Lindsey's journal. What point was he trying to drive home here? Well, I mean, there were visual aids for the jury, right? I mean, he was reminding the jury of all the medications that Lindsey was prescribed. He was trying to strengthen that argument that she was overmedicated in the months before the deaths. One thing that was really important in all of this Lester, though, was Lindsey's journal. That's because she didn't take the stand in her own defense. But hearing the words that she wrote in her journal really was the closest glimpse that jurors were able to get into her mind at the time,

7:26into her state of mind. Ridington highlighted several entries where she described feeling anxious, where she writes about having suicidal thoughts. She kind of documents the type of medication she was taking. She writes about being unable to sleep about having brain fog and just really chronicling the difficult time that she was having after the birth of her third child. You look at her journals. She's talking about horrible thoughts, no motivation, deeply depressed as she runs into January. There's nothing other than little chicken scratches because her mind was gone. The defense attorney got emotional too, right? Yeah, at one point in there, a juror even cried, Lester. Now, I've got to say I had a chance to chat with Ridington briefly. It's very clear that he cares deeply about this case. And of course, he cares about what happens to Lindsey. Well, then it was the prosecution's turn. Assistant District Attorney Jennifer Sprayeg delivered the state's closing. This case is not about our mental health system or how it treats

8:28women or what's in the DSM-5 and what's not. That's a distraction to get you angry and passionate about an important issue, but an issue that's not on trial here. What's on trial here, what the issue is here is what Lindsey Clancy did the night of January 24, 2023 and what her mental state was at the time. She painted Lindsey very differently. That's right, Lester. I mean, she painted Lindsey as having more access to medical care than most people. And essentially, she said that Lindsey was in the driver's seat with her care, but that she did things that acted against those medical providers who were trying to help her. It wasn't the fault of the providers that she wasn't getting better. They were doing the best they could with the information she provided them. And that wasn't always accurate information. Remember, we learned in testimony that Lindsey did not follow her medications prescribed and that she never told her healthcare providers that she had thoughts of harming her children. Every doctor she saw, none of them saw any signs of psychosis ever. So they're all wrong,

9:34all these different doctors and all these different practices, they're all collectively together, wrong. That doesn't make sense. The prosecutor argued that Lindsey knew exactly what she was doing, that she planned the timing of the murders so her husband would be out of the house picking up takeout. You start to see the planning at about four o'clock in the afternoon. And this is on her phone and you see her search for takeout from 3v. And then immediately after she does the abumat search, what she needed to know was how long specifically on that night, it would take to get there because she knew she would have a limited amount of time to do what she wanted to do. And what she had decided to do was to kill the children and then kill herself. And so she needed to know not generally, but exactly how much time will I have? Did you notice how Lindsey responded to this final day of arguments in court? Well, last year she did tear up at times, but she was also fairly stoic as she has been

10:37throughout much of this trial. But she was actually the most emotional when the judge was reading the individual charges for killing each of her children. And it really was a very intense moment. Remind us of the charges that jury was given to consider. The jury has a lot to consider. It could be either first degree murder in which case she would face a mandatory life sentence without parole, second degree murder, manslaughter. Then they're the not guilty's. It's not guilty by basically accepting the defense's insanity defense. So it'd be not guilty about reason of lack of criminal responsibility. In which case she would be committed to a state-run mental health facility rather than an actual prison. And then there's just straight up not guilty. On Tuesday morning, the jury had been deliberating for more than three days when they told the judge they had an announcement. What happened? Yeah, the jury came back and basically sent a note to the judge saying they were deadlocked. They couldn't reach a verdict. And the judge sent them back to deliberate and try again. I know that this was a long trial. All right. I know there were over 80 witnesses.

11:41There were over 300 exhibits. But because of that, I'm going to ask you to go back out. And I'd ask you to resume your deliberations at this time. Okay. Thank you. We're recording this. We should point out on Tuesday afternoon, Blaine. I know you'll be keeping a close eye for us. Thanks very much. Good talking to you. You too, Lester. Thanks so much. 24 hours after I taped my conversation with Blaine shortly after 2 p.m. on Wednesday, the jury returned to the courtroom. Once again, they told the judge they were deadlocked. Once again, he sent them back to the deliberation room. And this time, he read them what is known as the two-e-rodrigous charge, special instructions urging them to give deliberations one more chance. There is no reason to suppose that the case will ever be submitted to 12 persons more intelligent, more impartial, more competent to decide it, that more or clear evidence will be produced. And with this in mind, it's your duty to decide the

12:48case if you can do it conscientiously. Outside the courtroom, Clancy's defensive attorneys had this to say to reporters. All I'm going to say is that I'm just very proud of this jury. It's amazing. They're working so hard and God bless the system. It's amazing. We'll have the latest for you on the case in our next episode. Coming up after a California fire captain was found stabbed to death in her home, investigators went looking for her wife and uncovered her troubling past. The Labor Day Sale is now at Paragold, the destination for luxury home. From September 3rd to 8th, take up to 25% off their largest ever selection of some of the best designer brands. Snap up Paragold's best savings of the season on furniture, lighting, decor, and more for every style and space. Plus, enjoy free design services and full service delivery on most items.

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14:55Visit sling.com to learn more. For our next story, we turned to San Diego County where a woman is set to be sentenced for killing her wife a long time California firefighter. Back in February of 2025, Rebecca Becky Marodi was found murdered inside her home. Investigators soon focused on one suspect. Becky's wife, Yolanda Marodi, who had already fled the country. San Diego Sheriff's Stepies are on the lookout now for 53-year-old Yolanda Marodi in connection with Rebecca Marodi's murder. Yolanda was arrested a month later in Mexico and charged with Rebecca's murder. Initially, she pleaded not guilty, but in August, that all changed. Yolanda admitted that she had stabbed Rebecca more than a dozen times. And in a devastating twist, it turned out this isn't the first time Yolanda has admitted killing someone close to her. Here to bring us more on the cases,

15:56NBC7 reporter Alison Ash. Hi, Alison. Hey, Lester. Let's start over the victim here, Rebecca. Alison, who was she? By all accounts, she was an amazing human being. She was a firefighter with Cal Fire. More than 20 years, she was the kind of person that would do anything for anybody. Very loyal friend, very loyal family member, loved by a whole lot of people. And just before she was killed, Rebecca was actually fighting the eaten fire. And you'll recall those huge fires that just took over Los Angeles. And she had been up there. She had been very involved in that strike team. And what do we know about Rebecca and Yolanda's marriage? Well, we were hearing, and this is of course after the fact, but we hear that they were a little bit on the rocks. You know, Rebecca had asked Yolanda to move out. So this relationship was coming

16:56to an end. And that brings us to February 17th, 2025. What was the first sign that something was wrong? Well, I mean, Rebecca's mom, Lorena, came home, went inside the house and realized that her daughter was on the ground in the hallway, covered in blood. So she called 911. And needless to say, Yolanda was long gone. And investigators figured out pretty quickly that she had run off to Mexico with the couple's pets. They actually found video of her crossing the border in to Mexico. Also later, they learned that Yolanda had sent a message to a friend saying, Becky had told her she was leaving and that they'd had a big fight. And she heard her. And it ends with, I'm sorry. And this ends up being an international man out. Yeah, it was kind of interesting from my perspective because I'm trying to get some information out of the sheriff's department

17:57that's handling the investigation. And I'm saying, is there a killer on the loose? Should people in Ramona be worried for their own lives and safety? And eventually that evening, they told me that no, we believe we know who it is. Clearly, they knew who they were looking for from the get go. And Allison, we hear this more and more now. Ring cameras involved in these kind of cases. And it was part of the investigation here as well. Yeah, this house was full of ring cameras. And the video actually shows Yolanda chasing Rebecca and Rebecca's yelling, please Yolanda, don't do this. I don't want to die. So very dramatic video that has never really come to light because the trial didn't have to happen. Investigations shows that she may have actually had a knife in her hand. Why is she's chasing her? Absolutely. Knife in her hand. It sounds like it was just a horrific bloody scene. So Yolanda was eventually captured after five weeks on the run and brought back to San

19:01Diego to face the murder charge. Yolanda pleaded not guilty, as we know, as details of this case started pouring out, something else was revealed in the middle of all this. Yolanda had actually been convicted of killing a previous spouse. This was a, a wow moment. Oh, absolutely. In fact, I figured that out the day after the murder. So it goes back more than two decades. Yolanda was married to a man named James Alenchek. Court records show that summer she filed for a divorce, said there were irreconcilable differences and asked for custody of their two children. A few months later, James was found stabbed to death. And Yolanda was charged with his death. She pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter in that case. She did some serious prison time, right? Yeah. She did like 10 years, I believe, for the murder. And again, it was with a knife, same scenario. And was this a past that Rebecca knew about?

20:02It was. It was. And we asked her mother about that. And her mother said that that Becky knew that that Yolanda had a past. But she trusted Yolanda. And she felt that Yolanda was past that. So Yolanda originally pleaded not guilty to killing Rebecca. But last month, she pleaded guilty to second-degree murder. Do we know why she changed her plea, Alison? Yeah. So it looks like there was a plea deal involved here. Yolanda ended up pleading guilty to a reduced charge of second-degree murder rather than first-degree murder. Prosecutors also say they took Rebecca's family's wishes for closure into consideration. And that brings us to her sentencing this week on Wednesday, Yolanda was sentenced to 36 years to life in prison. It got pretty emotional. Let's listen to some of that. You're not an actual psychotaph. Like some people think you are a pitiful, petty, self-loving, ugly, shall the human be. Every morning when I wake, the image of my baby grew lying on floor

21:08with stab wounds turned her back and life was close to me. Despite the horrific violence, we stowed upon Becky. I refused to allow Yolanda's darkness to consume me. A fascinating case in you are there to cover it all we appreciate it. Thank you. Up next, it's time for date line roundup. We've got a verdict in the trial of the former gang leader accused of mastermiting the murder of Tupac Shakur and updates in the cases of singer David and Brian Koeberger. Plus, when a criminal flees the country to escape justice, what can prosecutors do to get them back? Back to school comes with surprises. Luckily, Uber Eats can help with the last minute ones because you can order school supplies for five dollars or less. So when exploding science projects happen,

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23:09Welcome back everyone. Join me for this week's Roundup is Field Producer Alex Lore. Hi Alex. Hey Lester. Well first up we are headed to Las Vegas where a verdict has been reached in the trial of Duane Davis also known as Keefe D. He's the former gang leader who was charged with the 1996 murder of rap legend Tupac Shakur. Prosecutors told the jury that Davis masterminded the murder to get payback for his nephew. Who had been beaten up by a group of men including Tupac. And central to their case was Davis's own words. Davis told investigators long ago that he was the one who had procured the murder weapon and was in the car when the shooting happened and even wrote about it in his memoir. Alex before we get to the verdict what kind of case did the defense put on. It was short. They presented just three witnesses which was a stark contrast to the prosecution's dozens. Their mean witness was a former Las Vegas detective who testified

24:10that he'd been unable to independently verify a lot of what Davis had told law enforcement about that night. So closing arguments happened on Monday was Tupac's family in the courtroom. Yeah his friends and family were present including his sister Satiua, Sat Shakur who sat in the front row. And then the state was first to give their closing argument. Yeah the state's prosecutor told the jury about the numerous times Davis himself has talked about his involvement in Tupac's murder. For nearly 18 years, Wayne Davis has told the police, television, books, YouTube interviews, anybody that will listen he's told he is responsible for the murder of Tupac's killer. Tell him you hear it. I didn't know. The prosecutor said that Davis knew details of the shooting only someone who had been there would know. Right. Prosecutor said that a group of women had been

25:14following the car that Tupac was in. They were following him to the club where he was set to perform. Davis told investigators what type of car the women were driving and the prosecutor was like how would he know that if he hadn't been at the scene. And then it was the defense's turn to get up there. Yes. So Davis's defense attorney had one message for the jury. Davis is a liar and the jury shouldn't believe anything he has said previously. It was a bit surreal. The credibility of the state is made by Mr Davis to whoever were never verified. The defense said that the reason it took so long for law enforcement to charge him was that they knew he was lying when he first spoke to them decades ago. Bottom line that defense said that there was no evidence to place Davis in the car with the shooter. So the jurors went off to deliberate on Monday afternoon and three hours later they were back with a verdict. What was it guilty of first degree murder with a deadly weapon. According to reporters as the four men read the verdict, Tupac's sister grasped hands with the

26:14rest of Tupac's family and was crying. Is there a date set for sentencing Alex? Yep. It's scheduled for October 13th. Okay. Well, we'll be on the lookout for that. Next up we're headed to downtown Los Angeles for an update in the case of singer David, legal name David Anthony Burke. This is a pretty disturbing case. David stands accused among other things of murdering 14-year-olds Celeste Rivas Hernandez whose body was found in his Tesla last September. Just remind us Alex, what is the prosecution alleging is the motive here? At a court hearing in July, prosecutors argued that David and Celeste began a sexual relationship in 2023 when she was only 13 and he was 18 and that he killed her because she had threatened to expose him. David appeared in an arraignment on Monday where he pleaded not guilty. How did he seem? NBC news reporters in the courtroom said that he was wearing an orange jumpsuit, shackled and freshly shaved in. And then something unexpected happened. In the first five minutes of the

27:15arraignment, David's defense team requested that they be allowed to withdraw. Any idea why the change could it have been money? It's unclear. The judge appointed a public defender and the hearing continued. Well, after the arraignment LA County District Attorney Nathan Hockman held a press conference outside the courthouse. Let's listen to a bit of what he had to say. The District Attorney's office is ready to proceed to prove all three charges beyond a reasonable doubt, leading eventually to a sentence of life without the possibility of parole or if we so choose the death penalty. So it seems like as of right now, the death penalty is still on the table for David. Right. So the DA went on to say that David's defense will have time to submit what's called a mitigation packet to the judge, which essentially is an argument against the death penalty. But as of Monday, he hasn't decided yet if they're going to pursue the death penalty. For our last story, we're headed to Idaho for the latest in the case of Brian Coburger, the man

28:16who pleaded guilty last year to the 2022 killings of four University of Idaho students. He was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Last month, Coburger asked to withdraw his guilty plea, saying he'd been coerced into making it. Alex, what's the latest here? Yeah, so Coburger has a new defense attorney and his legal team filed a series of court filings late last week. One asked for a change of venue. They also filed a motion asking to disqualify the judge on the case, Judge Stephen Hippler. He's the same judge who heard Coburger's guilty plea last year and sentenced him to life in prison. So why did they say the judge should be disqualified? Coburger's new attorneys alleging their motion that Judge Hippler isn't impartial. The motion reference comments made by Judge Hippler at Coburger sentencing. His actions have made him the worst of the worst. Even in pleading guilty, he's giving nothing hinting of remorse or redemption. Did Judge Hippler respond or rule on the motion? No, there's a status conference scheduled for

29:17Coburger next June, so almost a whole year away. So this could take a while to play out. All right, well, thank you so much for all the updates, Alex. Yes, thanks for having me, Lester. Earlier in the show, we talked about Yalanda Morote, the woman in fled to Mexico after she stamped her wife to death. It's not the first time we've come across the case this summer involving a fugitive fleeing the country to escape justice. A few months ago, we told you about Lee Gilly, a Texas man charged with his wife's murder who caught off his ankle monitor on the eve of his trial and fled to Italy. Since then, Gilly who maintains his innocence has been fighting his extradition back to the US from behind bars and an Italian jail. It got us wondering what is extradition exactly and how does it work? Well, today we're joined by Jacques Semmelman, a partner with the law firm of Captain Lucien Rosenman and former assistant US attorney for the Eastern District of New York. Thanks so much for being here, Jacques. It's an interesting part of the law.

30:19Thank you, Lester. It's a pleasure to be here. Yeah, you have worked on major extradition cases in the US and abroad and you've even served as an expert witness on the subject. How did you end up focusing on this particular area of the law? Well, on the first day of my term as an assistant United States attorney back in 1987, I was assigned an extradition case to handle. I had no prior experience with extradition, but I quickly learned. I handled the case. It took three years, which tells you extradition can take a long time. Yeah, let's start with a basic question. If we can break down exactly what extradition means. Extradition is an international criminal process where a person who's in one country can be transferred to another country, either to stand trial on criminal charges or to serve a criminal sentence. What kind of process exists for the US to request the surrender of a defendant who is in another country? Well, the principle methodology for

31:25doing that is by invoking an existing treaty of extradition between the United States and the foreign country. The treaty will provide some basic requirements for the extradition to take place. It has to be a serious enough crime, which means it has to be a crime in both countries and under many treaties, not every single one, but under many treaties, it has to be punishable by a year or more in prison. As part of the extradition process, I know there are hearings where the defendants have a chance to fight their extradition, but to be clear, those hearings are not about determining guilt or innocence. We're not even close to that stage of this at that point. That is correct. The standard in the US proceeding would be probable cause foreign countries have their own version of that term, but basically it means a reasonable basis to believe that the person may have committed the crime or crimes charged, and it's not close to proof beyond the reasonable doubt. It's not

32:28close to proving guilt or establishing innocence if you're the defendant. If we can't have a talk about the Lee Gilly case, he's accused of strangling his pregnant wife, back in 2024. He was placed under house arrest on an ankle monitor, but just before trial, in May he managed to get to Italy. He's telling the Italian court that he fled to avoid a death penalty prosecution. What rights does someone like Gilly have to fight extradition back to the US? In certain countries, including Italy, there is a principle that the country that has the presently in custody will not surrender the person absent a binding commitment by the requesting country. In this case, the United States, that capital punishment will not be sought or applied. In fact, the treaty of extradition between the United States and Italy has a specific provision to that effect. Italy is very stringent on not surrendering somebody who faces capital punishment

33:33and uninsisting unbinding assurances from the requesting government. That capital punishment will not be sought. They're going to hold firm. We'll see if the United States yields or not. What's a surrender look like? What's involved with it? Can US agents pick someone up or does they have to be law enforcement from the other country? In the event, a decision is made that extradition will be granted. The mechanics of it are as follows. The person will be taken by agents of that country to an arranged meeting, typically at the airport. US agents will fly over for that meeting and there'll be a transfer of custody. I don't want to lose sight of the fact that this is a two-way street. This does work the other way around too. Other countries can ask the US to hand over people. They consider a fugitism justice. Just last week we saw a manosphere influencer who's Tristan and Andrew Tate appear in a Miami courtroom. They're currently behind bars, fighting an extradition request from the UK on sex trafficking charges. They say they aren't guilty

34:39of those charges. But as I said, it's a two-way street. It is a two-way street. But one of the protections that somebody who's in the United States has that person doesn't necessarily have throughout the world is the United States will not extradite without going through a formal, treaty-based proceeding. And then ultimately, if all the courts approve the extradite ability of the accused, the final decision is with the Secretary's state whether or not to extradite. Well, Zach, as I said at the beginning, it's a fascinating area of the law. Thank you for sharing your expertise with us today. We appreciate it. It was my pleasure. Thank you so much. That's it for this episode of Dateline True Crime Weekly. But get ready for my new podcast series before and after with Lester Holt that drops later this month. Starting on September 14, I'll be talking to Jeremy Renner, Colin Kaepernick, Gabby Giffords, and more about the moments that

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