Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H3 - Responsibility Still Matters

0:00This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Welcome back in. We are hanging out here on the Clay & Buck Show, hour number three. Some might say, the Wall Street Journal profiled, wildly successful, Clay & Buck Show. That's thanks to all you guys. Five years up, five years down, we've gotten, I think, a little bit better as we've gone along, hopefully. And you got us for a bunch more years to come. And in the weekend edition of the Wall Street Journal, there will be a big profile laying out how successful this program has become. That's because of you guys. We are trying to be everywhere. We have 550 AM stations and FM stations out there, including the most recent edition, 106.9 FM. The Las Vegas affiliate that we have, where you can hear us every day from 9 AM until noon, Pacific time. We just added the opposite coast, basically, with Baltimore, WBAL.

1:06We appreciate everybody who is now listening to us on that big signature station. And we continue to roll up a lot of affiliates. You got us on satellite radio. The podcast I saw, they didn't include this in the Wall Street Journal, but I think they had it on the cutting room floor. Maybe there'll be a little additional box of info. Did you see this? I didn't know the numbers. We've had over 500 million podcast downloads as a part of the Clay and Buck show and also the Clay and Buck podcast network. That's an unbelievable number. I saw that and I said, that's crazy. So the number of you that are getting the show on podcast is also extraordinary. And now we're on YouTube. So if you haven't already signed up and subscribed, like I said, last week, I had our most watched video ever, nearly 500,000 views for a segment on this program, which is incredible. We're hitting a brand new audience there. And if you click like and subscribe, that helps us. We have a lot of people watching us live right now. This week has been the biggest audience watching live so far in the tens of thousands,

2:10which is a small pin prick of the millions of people out there that are listening every single day on traditional radio. But we thank you for being with us. Okay, we are two months out, even if the Wall Street Journal maybe look awful in the photos, including, according to Carol Markowitz. And by the way, before we get into the serious discussion about Michigan and Texas, when it comes to Senate primaries, I thought this was, I thought this was interesting. And funny, even though I am the butt of the joke here, we have a couple of listeners who sent in emails. And they were taking shots at me. Clay, this is from Edgar. Not a lot of Edgar's out there, I might mention. Edgar says, maybe go by Ed. Did you piss off the photographer? Horrible picture. Is your head really that long? It's huge. You look like a deer in the headlights. Do yourself a favor.

3:12Remove the picture from your website. Stop talking about it. It should go away after a few years. But that doesn't sound great. I'm going to be honest. Maybe, maybe Carol Markowitz knew exactly what she was talking about. Thank you for the feedback, Edgar. It's always great to hear from fans. And there was some more in here, but I can't find them right now. And, but I appreciate all of you. And we will get to those 800 by the way, two, a two, two, a two. Okay, a couple of things that are out there. Okay, yeah, here's Linda. Why does that photographer hate you? That is a terrible picture because of the unfortunate lighting. One side of your, this is a really very specific. This is very detailed that it's take down. One side of your face looks gone from the shade while the other side looks puffy and swollen like a cartoonish toothache. Weirdly asymmetrical. Surely he took more than one photo. Why choose that one? Again, just people teeing off on me left and right.

4:17I got to stop being photographed. I'm just going to have to retire. Pamela, what did Pamela say? Did she also teal on me? I can't even keep up. So anyway, the article is up. The article itself minus the pictures is very entertaining. And I think you will enjoy it. All right, Buck. We were talking about AOC and the fact that TMZ interviewer and that clip is going viral. And she looked very impressive and was doing well. And we also have been talking about everything surrounding Abdul El-Sahed and Talariko. And Talariko, the clips continue to come out of the things that he has said in public. And I understand that this is considered to be a close race. I think largely it's because Texans don't think Talariko can win and they haven't felt like they're in a real contestable race. But I do want to play some of this for you because there should be consequences for saying this in a state like Texas.

5:20Here is James Talariko who says capitalism is an oppressive system. And he links it to white supremacy and climate change. Texans listen. Cut one. And so thankful that you asked this question and also thankful that young activists have really drawn the link between climate change and white supremacy and capitalism in our country. And I think only ending the ways that all three of those oppressive systems work together are we going to begin the process of dismantling them. Buck. Climate change, white supremacy and capitalism, all oppressive systems that work together. This guy they are telling you is ahead in the polls right now in Texas. It's hard to believe and it doesn't really matter. It's worth noting that too. The polls don't matter. All that matters is who wins an election day. And we're hearing from people now that Paxton is going to be on the airwaves a whole lot more, a lot more spending going on from the pro Paxton side of things in the media.

6:21We will have our friend Michael Barry joining us. I think tomorrow the great these are of talk joining us out of Houston because he is as dialed in on this as one can possibly be to give us a sense as to what is maybe concerning about the current state of that Paxton V. Telereco race and what is just wait and see or give it a little time right because I think there's both of those things are true right now some of it is. Telereco is doing a little better than one would anticipate but when he says things like that that climate change. I want to make sure I get the trifecta here climate change is tied to white supremacy is tied to what was the other thing. Capitalism, capitalism, white supremacy and climate change are all connected as part of the oppressive systems of America. You'll notice that they throw these things together and there are some there are there are there is ideological connective tissue between these things when it comes to these leftists and the jargon that they rely on.

7:25But it is really just socialism communism. This is a religion of malcontents. This is just telling everybody that whatever frustrations they have whatever anxieties they have many in many cases really caused actually by the left themselves. They they manufacture anxieties they manufacture delusions but whatever those things may be. It is the fault of Republicans and if you just give them meaning Democrats power they will address these things. It's concerning clay because this is effective politics unfortunately the politics of resentment and envy have been with human beings for as long as we have had societies, tribes, you know, huts together somewhere in the in the wilderness. This has been the reality for us. People who aren't where they want to be wanted excuse they don't want accountability they want an explanation that it is some other group or some other people. This can lead to wars this can lead to communism. It's going to lead to a whole bunch of things.

8:28And Talleriko is doing that thing while also telling people I'm here for you. I know what you're I feel your pain. He knows that there are challenges right now with affordability for people. And I will say the messaging on the right here has not been great when people say oh deal with it or my generation had it tougher or whatever it may be. Keep in mind that the average now and now we get into the average or the median is it the mean or the median but just say the average the mean. American home is up 50% in price in five years. That's a huge problem for people who believe that homeownership and having a stake in a community that is at least feels somewhat permanent even though you still pay property taxes. That is something that is a policy outcome that is not the result of the free market working just so everyone is clear we can talk about why that is these were policy decisions that have been made that have led to that most notably spending and inflation.

9:29But that's why housing is so rather buying a home is so expensive and that's something that's a challenge health care and the quality of care versus the cost of care. That is not because the free market is failed that is because we have moved further and further from a free market system where people are not accountable for the dollars they spend they're not accountable for the health decisions they make it is all just one big lie that somebody else is going to pay for everything clay. We're fighting against Santa Claus in the case of Tallahuree where fighting against a very odd Santa Claus but a guy who promises everything will be free and everything will be fixed is always going to have people who want to listen. We got another one that is just as bad on Tallahuree go and then we got an L. Syed here is Tallahuree go saying Texas oil and gas it's like cassette tapes you don't really need it anymore cut to we all know that Texas has been a leader in oil and gas but in many ways that's like being a leader in cassette tapes in the 1980s that industry is not going to last and if we want to ensure we have an economy it's going to work for our children and our children's children we got to be ahead of the curve.

10:36And Texas has to lead instead of follow on this on this issue. So he's not just weird he's also ignorant he doesn't really understand anything. So does does he get a pass on the leftism because he does the whole but I but I love Jesus too thing is that what this is because he's got that preacher thing going on the fact that he's a communist and an ignoramus about how the world functions is not a problem for people I'm surprised by that well actually no I'm not surprised by it but it's frustrating. I think it's just a sign that a lot of Texans are not yet paying attention. And I hope I'm right about that I hope as the fall progresses in the next 60 days and people get back to school and they start to recognize that a midterm election is coming up that they become aware I stand by this I think Jasmine and I think that the market would have been a far more difficult opponent for Ken Paxton and Tallerico is I really do believe that here is Abdul Elsayet this is crazy I would think that this will soon be echoing throughout the state of Michigan.

11:39He says if you want to achieve the American dream you need to move to Canada because the Canadian dream is far more likely to become a reality cut 29 contrary to what we're taught that we are the land of opportunity where anyone with a dollar and a dream can make it in fact too few people have that first dollar economic data shows us that if you want to achieve the American dream well you should move to Canada because it's twice as likely there here where you start predicts where you end. Okay now buck it's not good to say so much for the American dream you should move to Canada anywhere but for all our but for all our michiganters out there listening the Canada Michigan rivalry is real to have someone trying to represent the state of Michigan remember. I didn't know this I'm not great at geography if I haven't been there before. There are parts of Canada that are much much further south than Michigan right so you're talking my father-in-law lives on the Detroit River you look across the Detroit River boom there is Canada you go across the ambassador bridge sources close to me aka my wife and for me that sometimes kids who grow up in Michigan go to Canada because the drinking

12:51age in Canada is 19 and you used to be able to cross back and forth across the border very very easy so this is not even the equivalent I don't think saying you should move to Canada to have a better life would play very well anywhere in America but I know it doesn't play well in Michigan based on proximity rivalry and everything else these are radical dudes I'm dual L. Siet is a radical dude to represent Michigan James Calerico is a radical dude to represent the state of Texas I hope that people are paying attention and the money is being spent well enough to make people aware of just how out of step with the average Michigan and Texan these two in particular battleground Senate races may end up being how far off these guys really are you know I think Clay with a lot of this there's multiple messages running at the same time from these candidates and that they speak out of both sides of their mouths to people who don't care what's being said out of the other side if that makes sense meaning that with L. Siet he's going to say the things he needs to say for the hard left to be

14:01excited and on board because that's who he is but then when it comes to speaking to a room full of union plumbers or electricians or carpenters or whatever it may be he's just going to talk affordability affordability affordability and hope that that message completely overrides any concerns that they would have about that weird commie talk where he sounds like some kind of a robot in his mat getting a master's in gender studies somewhere like that part of it they'll forget about and that's the game so I don't know that running especially because the issues here are so central and so clear about what's going to make a difference in the midterms I'm not sure that oh look at how silly this guy is on this issue is going to make as much of a difference as we would like it to it's more on the core issues that people care about who is saying the right thing do you know what I mean this is where yeah I mean I think this is the genius of a OC she just waved away everything that she argued for for about 10 years by saying oh you know we got a little crazy then haha

15:08and democrats are like yeah you know we did let's move on and I just think this is crazy by the way the judge has gotten I want to make sure my fancy case another jury note will see it could be them continuing to say we can't reach a verdict just FYI that is the live story crime on every network right now so we will update your question you can you can tell me this do you think if this goes to a hung jury it is one or several it's definitely women on the jury who refuse to budge several I have I have lost I did not have a lot of faith in liberal white women to be fair before this trial started I have lost so much faith in liberal white women even more so I didn't know I could go lower in my personal estimation of them I've gone a lot lower as this case has continued to play out I'm just going to be honest with you we will update you they are in the courtroom breaking news coming very shortly there we may be able to take it live

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17:16three center bells playing book on the I heart out welcome back into clay and buck we have a quick turn here it's want to say we're watching very closely for any updates on the verdict and the Lindsay Clancy trial and also play I'm seeing this a 56 year old woman has been arraigned in court now for intimidating Lindsay Clancy jurors that's how this is like a middle aged woman I'm in a guess a liberal a middle aged white woman was intimidating the jury videoing them in a restricted area now they're saying she's trying I don't know more details on that but clay she's facing serious prison time for trying to tamper with the jury essentially will give you the absolute latest on that trial when we come back there in the courtroom right now I'm gonna tell you guys this is true it's about the countryside for a few days I saw a bear yesterday I actually saw bear yesterday I have video of it and bear sightings are up in many parts of the country take Colorado for instance more than 7,000 reports of bears wandering in the towns back yards you name it like I said we had a bear in my yard here similar increases in 12 more states we talked about this and boy we got a lot of reaction our friends at saber the self protection company that we like they have all kinds of personal safety

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19:42many different times it's not that common to have a jury multiple times basically tell the judge we're not gonna agree and the judge keep saying go back and keep talking buck I just I don't know what the actual numbers are here I would be very surprised if the men there are only three men on this jury I would be very surprised if the three men on this jury are saying we think she is not guilty I would be very surprised simultaneously based on what we've seen from the behavior of women and Massachusetts if all nine women were saying she's guilty does that make sense I think if this would be miserable if you are the men who are saying but she killed her three kids and the some of the women on this jury just keep saying but she was really depressed you don't understand and we were talking about this off air my wife is super fired up about this and her argument is that women are not talking enough among themselves about how there are now going to be our

20:56arguments that are made that women because of their hormones can't make rational decisions and that was actually an argument that used to be made a hundred years ago the term hysteria actually is related to the Greek for I think it's womb or uterus or something and that's where the history of me obviously is is corrected to that is connected to that as well so her argument is we keep saying hey we want women in positions of power and then when a mom kills her three kids a ton of women show up and say oh but she was really depressed and then my kids who have actually been paying attention to this now one of them said hey on tiktok dad there are now guys arguing why can't men say hey our testosterone levels were really high or I was taking steroids why can't men cite their own hormone levels to argue that they aren't responsible for criminal behavior which I got to be honest with you is not a crazy take if we're going to start saying I come back to two things that arena Zoritska murder if you watch that guy stab her in cold blood on the Charlotte public transit

22:16and your immediate response was well he's probably mentally ill he shouldn't be held accountable for that first degree murder I question how many of you did that who are now saying Lindsey Clancy isn't responsible and but you were just talking about the young mom who got stabbed in time square in the middle of the day they shot because the woman was brandishing a knife the woman who committed that murder so she is dead but she was mentally ill should the young mom who got stabbed in time square should the person who did that if she were still living not be charged and convicted of first degree murder I I just think we are opening a huge can of worms if I was depressed or my hormones were behaving in a way that isn't normal and so I can't be held criminally responsible for strangling to death my three children I just think we're going to be very careful I just think we're going to a dark place where you're going to see a lot more of these arguments coming out and frankly when evil happens I'm not very interested in making excuses personally for evil

23:27I I mentioned this clay on on Twitter or on X and and I would direct anyone to go check it out not just my little musing on the subject although that might be of interest to some but the article in question is about twenty twenty one years ago New York Times did this piece this is back when the times used to at least do occasional acts of of real reporting maybe by accident but it would happen and the New York Times came up with this idea or rather was was exploring this idea that for forensic psychiatrist so these are people who specialty is in the intersection of mental health the you know the psychological and psychiatric realm and the law so the criminally insane is something that forensic psychiatrist would be dealing with on a on a regular basis and they kept running into when people would spend time studying analyzing interviewing the worst of the worst murderers they would find that the justifications not justifications really but the explanations the analyses the assessments of why they did what they did always fell short didn't make sense seemed kind of and that they kept coming back to one word evil that these people

24:53enjoyed cruelty suffering extreme you know psychological dress and terror of other human beings felt zero remorse knew what they were doing chose to keep doing it were well aware of what was going on and I thought one of even more interesting things was that they were able to map out using CT scan of the brain that clay when people who are they refer to them in the piece I believe is predatory psychopaths because there are a lot of psychopaths psychopathy is far more common in society than people realize but predatory psychopaths criminal mass murderers you know your people like Ted Bundy and Manson and this people who have that psychological profile when they see extreme violence even if it's a natural disaster or if it's you know violence and warfare their brain reacts differently to it yeah so I start you start to say okay well in meaning that like it actually hits their pleasure center and not their empathy or not their fear center they they look at this and they go oh now at some point you can even get into as we get a better understanding of the mind well then maybe that's just the way their mechanics work or something and so does that change their culpability to which I would just say to me if you're criminally insane to the point where you have

26:17harmed people isn't that a better isn't the notion that you could be criminally insane and let out of prison ever utterly backwards because if you're a person who has had their faculties and did a bad thing could be reformed and more trusted in their reform that a person who is completely bonkers and did something horrible and then you're told later now they're stable says who I'll give you an even darker example of the Lindsey Clancy defense people who are into child porn are into kids their brain is wired differently as you were just saying buck that's why we have to protect them from kids are you just gonna say well that's the way that's yeah what protected them from being in proximity to kids protect the kids from them are you now just gonna say well it's the way their brains are wired what can we do because there are by the way some sick people on primarily the left now that will say that yes they will understand and so I just look there are some things that are so evil that we have to make it clear that we are not going to excuse it in any way you and I agree on this I child murder is the worst thing that a human can do to make any excuses for it at

27:46all is to me a failure when it comes to the most basic responsibility of adults everywhere which is protecting children I just I this really it's your point is a good one where you might sit around and say hey what should the terra for eight be with Canada and you can argue and we can have a debate about how to during back manufacturing and all these things when I hear people say Lindsey Clancy should not be found guilty because her hormones are an issue and she was really sad it makes me it makes me angry to even have to respond to that argument because I think even by taking it as an argument that's a difficult spot to take to celebrate her is even a step beyond that and frankly I think we've seen into the dark soul of much of the nation in the response in this case I really mean this you know the doing this show which is always because we are live and unscripted and it's a work in it's a work in progress because we are progressing as we do the work

28:48every day and it gives us an excuse both to learn a lot so that we can come to the show not just equipped with current events but that facts and and background for the analysis and so I just am able to pull this up because I was curious is we're having this discussion when was the first time somebody used the insanity defense because this is would be a relative to the because psychology as a as a field of study has not been around for that long did you have something on the insanity one of the first was Daniel Sickles who we talked about the individual who killed his wife slumber who later became a civil war general lost his leg at the battle of Gettysburg and was one of the successful men of his era he argued that he was overcome with rage when his wife was cheating on him he saw her paramour and he killed her and he was found not guilty by reason of insanity so so you're you mentioned the civil war it's interesting that's right around the time when it first appeared anywhere yeah but the first appearance was in England obviously we English common law is a huge precedent for our own system

29:55everything else the call something called the mic mic natton rule minnatton rule I think is I don't know how to pronounce this it's and apostrophe and this is from psychology today the site the insanity defense was born in England in 1843 so clay just some years before the case you said it in this country about sickles the man that rule was established by Daniel when Daniel Mnatton who a psychotic was acquitted of attempting to assassinate the British prime minister following public debate over this verdict the house of lords established the man that rule which became the foundational legal test for insanity in both Britain and the United States under this rule a defendant must prove they had a disease of the mind that stopped them from understanding the nature of their actions or understanding right from wrong now and this this goes to the glintz clancy by the way fits that description that's I think that she

30:58she knew what she was doing she planned out what she was doing she was aware of everything and she knew that it wasn't a good thing she didn't think that this was somehow going to you know bring about the Messiah or something by by murdering her own children so what was what what anyway sorry you were saying so no I was just going to say this goes to again the foundation of most crimes is the act is rea and the minz rea the act itself is being acknowledged in this defense i.e. you did kill someone they're saying you lack the mental capacity the minz rea to be responsible for it now in the case of someone like Daniel sickles buck what it provided was an avenue for a jury to say yeah he may have done it but the other guy deserved it right I mean that was basically the argument he made which is different than what she is saying that that branched off actually as I said crime of passion became an affirmative defense that now is an off branch of what you're talking about which was the temporary insanity of finding your

32:00wife with a lover crime of passion I think I said that they're like they got rid of those rules you guys in Texas you don't mess around they got rid of those rules in like the 70s as a firm defense I think again you're going to see way more cycle psychology related defenses hormone related defenses and I think it just is an ultimate direct attack on the most important part of humanity in my mind which is individual responsibility but we will continue to update you doesn't sound like there's going to be a verdict certainly not while we're on the air today there's a police officer outside Louisville Kentucky prosecutor say he ran his ex girlfriend through flock license plate cameras we were talking about flock over 2000 times 2000 he wanted to know where she was where she was going where she slept he's been charged with official misconduct unlawful access to a computer but that guy had a badge and a camera network to do it here's the part that gets to you a stranger doesn't necessarily need a badge to be able to track you on the internet your home address your phone number your

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34:12welcome in to really to the end of play and buck for the day we will be back tomorrow though which is exciting and every day thereafter. and one again tell you please go check out the piece on us the wall street journal i think it'll be on the print version this weekend very very nice wall street journal very nice thing lovely things about clay and buck they're beautiful over the wall street journal beautiful a great paper doing huge huge numbers we love them over there and they did a great piece a profile in the show and i think it also just reflects truly it reflects really well on the on the audience all of you for this program because they're like yeah you guys are doing it the right way and you're doing it. day by day and and piece by piece and not relying on nonsense and a chicaneery and skull duggery and conspiracy and craziness to get people to tune in. so here we go john this is am on the talk backs hit it guys this banning of flock cameras is democracy at work the voters are saying get those things the hell out of here off the streets.

35:14I don't want to be surveilled I mean in spite of the fact that you don't have a right to an expectation of privacy driving on the road because driving say privilege god bless you guys see you later. thank you fair point and that's why we're talking about it yeah people if any of them I'm not you don't there's not like a constitutional right to have flock cameras I'm not saying that that the government should necessarily be able to just override the world of people but I just think play on balance it's about guiding the usage of the world. it should be about guiding the usage of the technology not just getting rid of it so I'm advocating. let's have some fun to close here by the way. Allison in California the Patriot radio J. oh my god I just looked at that photo it's like the photographer gave buck some sort of instant facelift and just a massive glow up and just thought clay wasn't worth the effort and just gave him a little blur. hey that's just a photo of you to t-shirt there's no AI or anything.

36:17there's no photo of you. Pam and Alaska continuing to pile on eight. can we rule out that Clay's head may have actually just gotten larger I mean we know he went on his book tour and we had the grammousin line getting touchy feeling and built a home on Florida I think we're the pool with a view of a pool and he's poised to buy his WNB 18 I don't know he's got some he's got some swagger is it possible his head did get bigger I mean it could just be science. shots fired buddy yes Pam lighting you up from a distance. all the way up like the Iranian Navy all the women just tee it off on me and all seriousness go read the piece it's a good one we thank you for the privilege of talking to you every single day and we will be back with you tomorrow.