What If The Stories We Tell Ourselves Aren't True J Timothy Hunt Brings Us Museum Of Lies

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Hello and good morning.

Don't you love that and I love the way the universe works

because it's almost like the universe is trying to stand

in our way of having a great conversation.

And it's like you don't win.

You don't win.

We get to share this talk.

Well, I'm glad you're not here personally conducting it

because you're in Toronto, Ontario.

It's horrible right now.

Oh, I am so sorry to hear that.

We just went through a bunch of bad weather up here in the carolinas.

And you just sit there and you hope and pray that that next

wind is not going to be the one that's going to bring down the tree.

Taking my dog out for a walk is like flying a kite today.

So when you do take your dog out for a walk,

I call that a transition walk.

Do you go out there to receive from the creative universe as well?

Because it seems like a lot of writers know where that path is

and we take those walks.

Actually, I'm a runner.

Yeah, so if I'm like working out a story thing

or I don't know what's happening next or you know,

I have a problem, I go for a run.

And after about a mile or so, then suddenly,

like things become clear, you know,

I, I, I've worked out so many plot points.

And it's so many like divine inspirations,

well, going out for a run.

I am not going for a run today.

That's super.

So when it came to putting this book together,

what, what was the one influence or inspiration

that gave you that fuel required

to start putting those words on a page?

It happened one day.

This book sort of evolved over a couple of decades.

Wow.

Yeah, yeah, it took me a long time to figure out what this book was.

I had to let it, I had to let it like grow and mature

and become what it was in its own time.

That's like really like raising a kid.

And then like raising a kid, once they grew up,

I loved who it became.

So, yeah, I don't think it was a day when,

although it was a day when I figured out

how all this stuff went together.

I'm, yeah, that was on a run too.

It was just like, oh, that's what the story is about.

So, it was the power of running.

And when you go back in there and you start doing the researching

on what memories do to the mind, body, and soul,

I mean, it's like one of those things

where did you ever at any time on this walk

or even run, find yourself in a position of, wow,

I have the memory, but I think I rewrote the story.

Oh, wow.

Absolutely.

In case your listeners don't know,

this book is about a person who has gone through

a really crazy life with exceptionally terrible things

and bizarrely good things happened to him over his life

and then he finds out later that a therapist he went to

was accused in the media of implanting false memories.

Oh, boy.

So, now this guy doesn't know what,

you know, in his, in his crazy, crazy life is real or not.

And, oh, jeez, I forgot your question.

Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, you're spot on.

You're spot on because you're doing exactly what I'm talking about.

When you've got somebody who gets inside with someone's head

and plants a false memory is no different than a human being.

That's like, I daily write and I will sit there

and I will tell myself in the daily writing.

You put this down exactly the way it happened.

Do not rewrite this story on this page.

You lived it, make it happen.

I do exactly the same thing.

I think, like, that's a journal, people.

I had decades and decades of journals.

I write down every day in great details.

What happens when I talk to and because I can't trust my own memory,

I know that he can trust their memory because memories,

your brain doesn't work like an old VHS tape, you know.

It's not like a hard drive.

Memories change and they, you forget things and you can sleep things

and other people can influence your memories

and change your memories.

Like, for instance, my sister just went to Disneyland,

a place that, you know, we grew up in Southern California

and so we went, like, twice in our whole lives.

And she was remembering, like, she said,

like, I remember when I was a kid on the train ride,

there was a dinosaur.

So then there was like a scene with Jesus on the cross

and that she was, but that couldn't be true.

You know, and then she described what she remembered

and this Disneyland, I'm like, you know, I don't remember that.

And I looked it up online and know that there's never been any such a thing.

But she described her memory, her false memory so well

that now I have, like, in the next couple of days,

I was starting to picture it in my mind.

Like, it was a real memory in my old too.

It's crazy, you know?

That's why, you know, it's hard to be a juror.

It's like a court case.

I'm jury like two or three times because you can't trust any witnesses' memory.

Right. Right.

Yeah, but so is it like a radio commercial then,

where we are trained to tell the advertiser that,

hey, look, your commercial has to run three times before I even realize

that you're advertising on this radio station?

Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

And it can be just little things like, like, say in a court case,

it's a lawyer says to the witness, okay?

So man in the red jacket, you know,

crossed the street at 730, correct?

And if you didn't remember that the guy was wearing a red jacket,

suddenly you had this image in your mind of a guy wearing a red jacket.

You know, it's so like a, so that's a dresser journal.

Yes, I like it down every day.

It's like, it's like the hard drive for your memories.

Oh, so true, so true, so true.

And that's why writing is so important,

because one of the things that I do not want to ever experience,

and I'm sure we all go through it,

is the thing called the blind gorilla disease.

And that is where you think you saw something or you totally missed it,

but yet it really took place, but you didn't document it.

So you've been blinded by the gorilla.

Absolutely, absolutely.

And then many things like that happen in my life.

And thank goodness, like, I have these journals,

because, you know, I'm able to take it out and go,

you know, when someone else has been blind to the gorilla,

I mean, the group blinded by a gorilla,

I can go and say like, okay, this,

we were there at this time, and this is actually what happened.

It's all fun.

Yeah.

So do you say that we should trust our memories?

Because I mean, there are, I mean, there's a reason why I timestamp

in my daily journals, because I want to know at what time

did I go through this experience, or why did this thought fall from me?

So I timestamp it, and that to me is building up that trust.

So funny, we're on the same wavelength.

I always start my journal entries, and the place I'm sitting right now,

as I'm writing and the time on the clock, as I'm writing it.

Yeah.

This is a deaf buddy, that we both do that.

Oh my god.

Well, it's because how many times have you gone back in your daily writing,

and said, I don't know about that.

I, I, and then you're going to wait a second.

It was happening while you were writing it.

What do you mean you don't know about that?

And then I start asking the questions,

why don't you remember it this way?

What, what happened when you started bending the storyline?

Yeah, that's, that's, that's, um, that's interesting.

I, I don't know, I just,

maybe, firstly, I don't question myself that way.

Um, I don't, I don't, you know, I trust that, you know,

what I write in the moment is, you know, because I have this like, this weird chain,

um, about my personality.

I, I'm not a good liar, uh, like, at all.

And, but I, I, especially can't lie to myself.

So, uh, if I, like, just remember something is I'm writing it.

Um, I will then, then later go back and gently correct myself.

I, like, I can't even cheat at solitary.

Yeah.

So, uh, I don't bullshit in my, uh, in my diaries at all.

Um, and it's just a weird, it's just a weird thing.

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One of the things that I got tired of answering inside that daily writing,

and I do suggest this for listeners,

you got to take up daily writing.

You just have to.

It's, it's such an adventure.

But when I would ask the question,

how are you doing today?

And then I said, you got to stop asking that question.

Because that's a trigger.

That's going to put me in a place where I'm not,

I'm going to give you the truth.

Because I can't lie to myself.

I'm going to tell you how I'm doing today.

And so then when people started asking me that,

I'm going, you got to stop asking me that question.

Because if I'm going to tell myself in writing to stop doing that,

you have to stop doing it out here in the real world as well.

Yeah.

My biggest fear of meeting someone on the street

and saying, how are you?

Yeah, yeah, because you're right.

Because I tell them.

Yeah, we want that truth.

We want to be able to trust it.

We want to have hope in it.

But if we're going to sit there and lie to ourselves,

you know, in our personal paths and decisions,

then it's like, oh, this is just the start.

Yeah.

And I don't know if you're like me in your journal work,

your daily writing work.

I studied with Natalie Goldberg.

Unless she was like, she wrote a book writing down the bones.

That was a big thing back in the 90s.

She wrote a couple of books.

In any way, she was great about daily writing.

And she trained me to every day just put my pencil or my pen on the paper.

Yep.

I keep my hand moving.

Yep.

Don't just don't stop your hand moving.

Like if you don't know what to write,

you write, I don't know what to write right now.

I feel stupid sitting here writing.

But I'm just going to keep my hand moving.

And I feel, you know,

disappointed in myself just like when I was back in grade two.

And you know, someone did this.

And then it's just connecting that brain hand connection.

Yeah.

To, um, you know,

transcribe your thought processes that are happening.

And it's the most wonderful training because I never have

writers blocked.

No, yeah, I don't believe in that.

I don't believe in that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And you don't edit anything you wrote either.

Even if it's like the worst garbage you've ever written,

you don't cross out with anything.

No, just keep your hand moving.

Yep, yep, yep.

Oh, I've been known to be that daily writer who puts on that page,

the full page, this sucks, this sucks, this sucks,

this sucks all the way down the page.

And then I'll go, okay, now that we know how you feel,

uh, how are you going to get out of this?

And that's when I came up with stream thinking.

If you think it sucks, then stream thing.

Don't even think about what you're writing about.

Just right.

Just get it out, dude.

Yeah, that's, that's exactly what I do every day in my journal.

Yeah, I, I've never heard it called stream thinking,

but it's a perfect, it's a perfect, uh, name for that process.

I love the title, the Museum of Lies.

I love that because it's going to, it's going to get somebody's attention.

They're going to walk away the first time they're, they're going to go,

I got to go back and find out what that book is about.

They're going to take a quick glance at.

I see I study this when I go to Barnes and Noble.

I know, I know how people pick up a book.

Then they'll put the book down.

They'll walk away about two or three aisles.

They'll come back again.

They're going to get the book.

I don't know why it's going to take them five times

to pick up that damn book, but they're going to pick it up.

And you got to get the cover is really productive.

Yes.

The publisher did it.

I mean, yeah, did an amazing job with that cover.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So did you have a creative moment when it arrived?

And it was sitting there in your hands.

Did you sit there and you go, what?

This is mine.

What?

When the publishers sent me the cover art by email and whatever.

I just looked at it.

Oh my God.

They nailed it.

They nailed the book.

It was, I had not had any discussion with their art department

about what the covers should look like.

Zero.

I didn't suggest anything.

They didn't run any ideas by me.

They just showed me the cover.

And I went that is beyond perfect.

If this were on a book, if this were on a bookstore,

I would pick a clip book.

One of the things that you embrace is satire.

And I love that because I think satire is,

well, I think it's the first step of a brand new conversation.

It's what I do.

I don't know.

I mean, much of this is satire.

Yeah, it's so disturbing.

It's, it's funny.

Yes.

I mean, the book is funny.

It's just so awful.

All you can do is laugh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But see, that's, that's what I love about being a writer.

Because if you make yourself laugh,

imagine how many people after today and beyond,

you're going to be making laugh.

Because I mean, it's, you, you planted the seed, dude.

Now let's have an apple tree that laughs.

Exactly.

Like, like, it's not really a spoiler,

but in the first chapter, when the main character,

let's just say he goes through the floor.

So studying to him, even he, it's such a horrible,

it's the lowest point of his entire life,

and all he can do is laugh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I thought, I love stuff like that,

because you know, your whole world could be cave in in on,

and you kind of, you're telling people that,

hey, look, you know, if the floor falls through,

ah, laugh about it.

Get up, make it, you know,

go find another floor and do it better next time.

You know what?

And I like this book writing this book has been a good lesson

for me and my own personal life.

Because nowadays, when I fall,

or I do something really embarrassing or really stupid,

or even a trip on the sidewalk,

or, you know, past gas on the subway.

Ah, ah, ah.

And, you know, instead of just being mortified,

now I just laugh.

Yep, yep.

Because, you know, that's the best way to handle it.

It's just, oh, that was hysterical.

You know, if you do the feeding yourself up, just laugh.

Do you ever just want to lean in on somebody that you don't even know

while you're on that train to go?

Did you get that on video?

Because that right there would have gotten you some hits.

That could have been a million dollar video

if you would have been playing that monkey

while I was going through some change here.

Ah, ah, I wish I were that bridge.

I am not that bridge.

Just like laughing, keep walking.

Where can people go to find out more about you?

I love your attitude.

I love your journey.

You've accepted something here that's now going to put a lot of things

on your plate growing forward.

And I just know that you've got what it takes.

Oh, that's super, super kind.

Thank you.

Um, you can always find me, uh, like an Amazon

or a Barnes and Noble dot com or whatever.

Uh, it's Jay, Timothy Hunt.

It's the initial Jay.

Don't call me Jay.

Jay period Timothy Hunt.

Because my first thing is actually James.

And you can go to Jay Timothy Hunt dot com.

I have a really crappy website.

Or you can find definitely an Amazon.

Yeah, this is my, this is my ninth book.

So, um, I've got quite a few books for sale on Amazon and dot dot com dot c a dot

code on UK anywhere.

And also on, um, Facebook at, you know, Jay, just look at Jay Timothy Hunt on Facebook.

I'm there.

I love your attitude.

I love it because aren't we all just walking through a mess called, uh, you know,

creative chaos.

And, you know, just, just do something with your chaos.

It'll play out.

Just, just do something with it.

Yes, and yeah, it's, it's, I'm like slightly OCD.

Yeah.

So I mean, not like clinically, but I'm at the edge.

So I, um, I love taking chaos.

I'm obsessed with taking chaos and we can order out of it all the time.

So that's my job right now.

Oh, you got to come back to this show anytime in the future.

Jay Timothy Hunt, please come back.

I would be delighted.

I'll follow you tomorrow.

Well, you'll be brilliant today, okay?

Okay.

Thank you so much.

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