What is the Plan for Justin Fields?

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We're going to talk about the deal for Justin Fields.

They have a backup quarterback, a 27, 6 round pick.

Goes for fields. Is he worth that?

We'll talk about what the chiefs are actually paying,

what it means for the return of Patrick Boholms.

How they might use fields once Boholms comes back,

we'll get into all things backup, quarterback.

It is the offseason after all.

And we'll talk about the free agency

for the rest of the AFC West.

Best move, worst move, are they better or worse

for the raiders, the chargers.

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Now, here are the hosts of the Best Chiefs Podcast,

Jeff Chidea, Sam McDowell, and Seren Petro.

Thank you very much, Curtis.

We do appreciate it and we've got a trade to discuss,

gentlemen, Justin Fields.

I think the guy that everybody wanted, right?

Everyone was talking about it.

I really.

But it does make a little bit of sense or does it?

Jeff, your reaction when you first saw

that the Chiefs have moved ahead.

On the 7-6th, for a guy that's got just this one year

under contract.

Yeah, it's strange.

Didn't see it coming.

I don't really know how it fix unless,

but maybe there is a chance they want to do

more running of the quarterback when patching the homes

isn't involved.

Maybe we've talked about this forever.

Maybe a guy that's a goal-line specialist,

short yard and specialist, but aside from that,

when you're talking about a quarterback who really

has been an inconsistent pastor throughout his career,

three teams that decided they'd not want to keep him around.

And when you're talking about a year where your quarterback

is coming off an ACL tear and is trying to

put a new offense in or try to revamp your offense,

it just seems like a patching home is hurt.

It's just the guy you want to have running your team.

And I just don't think that's what you want.

Yeah.

What would you think of this deal, Sam?

What was your first reaction, at least?

Well, there's one way where it really fits,

which is I think it's just super low cost.

And I don't think this is a position that the Chief

should be heavily investing in.

If they believe patching home is going to be ready for week one.

The second way it actually really fits

is a way that I do not think they'll use them at all,

which is like he is very effective in short yardage

and short yardage in different ways.

Obviously, I've been beating this drum whenever they had

Carson Wentz to use them as a quarterback sneak

that Chiefs never did.

I feel just more athletic.

If you put him in on third and fourth downs,

he offers some.

And I've got some numbers we can go through

as this segment progresses.

But I just don't have confidence that Chiefs

are going to use him that way.

In which case, I agree with Jeff,

that's a little bit of an unusual fit in the sense that

if he does have to start a game,

he's not going to just be plugged in

and then to write in to what your offense is doing.

And if he is, then you're not using his skill set

to the maximum advantage.

Yeah.

Listen, a while ago,

I had some folks kind of tell me that, you know,

the idea of having, you know,

it's not, you know, a year or two after patching home

that had the dislocated kneecap

and the Chiefs quit using them on short yardage

that, you know, there was kind of an idea like,

hey, we'd like to get this guy.

We'd like to get a quarterback that we could use

in those situations.

And all of a sudden, like, you know,

Jacobi were set, goes for five or six million.

I mean, it's been a few years since I heard that.

I hadn't heard it lately,

but this kind of fits with that mindset.

I, you know,

and I think if you're not going to have

Kareem hunt back,

and you think he was a big part of the cheat code,

like I do think that they'll probably have

some kind of package for him in the short yardage.

Like, I do think it's at least in the back of their head

of using him on the, on the short yardage.

The question is,

it should be, it should be, will it be?

Like, I just like,

look, it's a tough sell to,

first of all,

the optics of passion homes running off the field

on third or fourth down would be unusual.

But to that point,

we've seen Drew Breeze come off the field.

Yeah.

Let's eat, taste some hill, brother.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Absolutely.

Not like, I mean, I wrote a column yesterday

in the star saying that they should do this.

I just don't have confidence that they will

because the reason I'll say that they should

is because you take off the best player on your team

when you take them out of the field

and put in Justin Fields.

But when you leave passion homes in the game

on third and one or fourth and one,

you're actually taking out the best play in the NFL

because the sneak is remarkably successful.

There were only three teams in the NFL

that didn't run a quarterback sneak last year.

Of course, the cheese for one of them.

Exactly half the league ran at least 10 quarterbacks sneak.

And so if you just look at those 16 teams,

they're success rate was 77%.

Our quarterback sneaks the best third and fourth short team

and the entire league last year got to 72%.

The cheese were second in the NFL and short yardage.

And we never talked about it because Cremont was so good at it.

He was 85%, 34 first downs.

No, the running back had more than 17 first downs.

Well, Justin Fields was really good in this area too.

He was 12 out of 14 when running the ball on third or fourth and short.

That's 85.7%.

Actually a little bit better than Cremont.

He averaged more first downs per game on short yards

than any quarterback in the league.

Like if they want to use them this way,

this would be a really great use for them.

I just don't have the confidence that they'll do it.

Yeah, I'm not 100% sure because like I said,

it's been a while since I heard that

and it's never come to fruition until now.

And you know what?

To think of it,

it goes back to pre-matten Aggie when I heard that.

So, you know, maybe it's like,

this was as much an enemy idea.

Now Eric, the enemy's back in town

and he's pushing for this kind of thing.

Listen, I think all parties involved have a vision

for what this can be.

What I do think, Jeff,

you know, the question is,

you know, will it actually happen?

I think the question also is,

is this their idea of like,

is our best way to maybe,

you know, pitch backwards

if Patrick Mahomes doesn't show up?

Does this give you any doubt

on Patrick Mahomes being ready for week one

when they go out and get a guy

that let's be honest,

a year ago signed a two-year $40 million deal.

I mean, not a guy who's thought of as,

you know, just a complete washout.

There are people that were last year thinking,

hey, we got to give multiple years

at 20 million to get this guy.

Oh, there's, you know,

people have been tantalized by

Justin Fields' skill set.

And I get it, like,

you look at his running ability

and there is an element there,

like he could be a very,

he could be the March Jackson light

if he was really able to put together

as a passer.

Unfortunately, that hasn't happened

and people have found out it was a mistake.

The thing, I don't know,

the answer to your question.

Yeah, I mean, I have doubts

about Mahomes being ready in week one.

And it's not so much about whether he's going to

rehab right or put all the work in

it.

It's just a question of,

are you going to put him out there

when he's as close to 100% as possible?

Are you going to put him out there

when he's 80% just to say he made it back for week one?

And to me,

that's stooped,

the ladder is stooped.

And so if we're in a situation

where doctors are saying,

a few more games wouldn't have heard

a little more time.

And that's going to be a fight they're going to have.

I have no doubt about that,

that he's going to want to be playing a week one.

And they're going to have to say,

if you're not ready,

we're not putting you out there.

But again,

if this,

look,

they're already making a statement

that's the way they want to go.

If he's not out there.

And so if they're going to do that,

I think what Sam is saying is right,

they have to alter their offense

to fit what he does.

And not go out there and say,

well, he's with us.

We can make it work.

I mentioned the two for 40,

Sam.

But in reality,

he was given a $15 million signing bonus.

30 million of it was guaranteed.

20 million of it was paid last year.

So there's 10 million more.

He's getting the chief's only going to pay

three million of that.

So their investment

is only three million in a future

six-round pick.

That,

that, you know,

that, that is not like,

okay,

we got to get our money's worth, right?

That's a little bit more than the league minimum

for a veteran.

Like, this is,

this is a,

this is still a cost-effective move.

This doesn't screen.

We paid a lot of money to make sure

we've got sharp quarterback play for eight games.

Yeah, and that,

that's why I,

that was top of the list

for I thought I'd made the most sense.

It was just the price.

And,

I mean,

just what last,

last week.

And so like you're,

you're getting a very cost-effective solution here.

And, you know,

other people have pointed this out.

I'm certainly not the first person to point this out.

But,

while there's still some free agency to go,

as it sits right now,

the chiefs are probably looking at

to where they,

they, they probably will be,

actually would have had a seventh round pick anyway,

based on that the comp formula.

So I think it really only costs them,

they'll get the seventh back

that they would have had to pay for,

a backup quarterback,

and it's only going to cost them a system.

It's more like moving from the sixth to the seventh round.

Like,

this is,

this is a really cheap move.

And,

I had been hearing some,

some things that the

chiefs might be more interested in like a trade market

for that reason,

for cost reason.

And,

but Justin Fields just wasn't on my radar

for all the reasons we've mentioned.

He does not play quarterback remotely similar,

even similar style.

Like,

you couldn't even call him,

I mean, Jeff called him,

that the hope for Justin Fields

was that he'd be Lamar Jackson light.

He's not saying he's as good as Lamar Jackson.

He'd say,

and that's the style.

That's the intent.

The intent for Justin Fields to be at his best

is not the way that patchworms plays.

And so,

it is a different fit,

unless you are willing to use them in this way,

in which case,

you want a different style than patchworms.

You want the legs in play on third and fourth and short,

because to me,

it's not just about the quarterback

and his ability to convert,

but when you have that quarterback available on third and short,

it opens up your running game

in a different way too,

because no one thought

the quarterback was running the ball

on third and short,

last year,

or fourth and short,

last year.

When Justin Fields was in the game,

you got to account for that.

And so, like,

Bruce Hall was terrific at short yardage a year ago.

And he was way better with Justin Fields playing than he was

when Fields was out.

He carried nine times at like six yards per carry

on short yardage with Justin Fields.

He carried seven times at two yards of carry

when Justin Fields was benched.

So, like,

there's a real element

to having your quarterback's legs in play

to run a game as well,

not just him picking it up.

Yeah, I do.

I think we're going to see him at some point

in that kind of scenario.

We had somebody mention.

Just real quick,

there is an important element of this,

which is he didn't want to do this in New York

after he got benched.

Right.

It's like,

it's the player bought in

to the idea that we think

could work for the Chiefs as well.

It gets easier from the buy-in

when it's Patrick Maholmes in front of him, doesn't it?

I mean,

you want to get on the field right now?

That's some ready cook.

Some ready cook,

Slander, yeah.

Yeah, I mean,

I mean, no.

Just decide.

You want to be on the field or not.

And Terry brings up a good point to him.

This is the comment,

four or a season, four years.

I mean, you know,

he gets a chance to play

under Andy Reed, Jeff.

Do we think that

Andy Reed is the right guy

to turn his career around?

It's possible.

I mean, Andy Reed

hasn't done this in a long time.

But, and for earlier on his career,

he was known as a guy

who could take just about anybody

playing quarterback

and make it work.

And so,

I think the best case scenario

for someone like Justin Fields.

And this is probably not fair to him

because he's played a lot more than this guy.

But you look at a Malik Willis

who was doing nothing in his league

until he got to Green Bay

and sat behind

what's his name,

the Jordan Love.

And worked under a system

or kind of system

that allowed him to grow

and find himself

and understand himself.

And now he's got a nice gig in Miami.

You know,

he's still a risk,

but he's grown from that.

And so,

if he does some fields,

this is probably your last shot

of being a starter somewhere.

You've had a lot of opportunities

to make it work

and no one's thought you could do it.

So, yeah, you come here,

you're back up for a year,

you learn,

and maybe you do go on the field

in a situation

a couple times

to show what you can do.

And if he shows something,

it can turn his entire career around.

And not just Malik Willis,

obviously, Daniel Jones,

Sam Donnell,

all these guys have done that.

So, yeah,

I think he should be looking at this

in a way he should be embracing

this opportunity.

But I would also say this,

let's not forget

how the offense looked

when it was Garda Mitchell running it.

And Garda Mitchell

is a way more accomplished quarterback

and it's basically just the field.

It looks awful.

And so,

I don't have much hope

that it's going to look better

if he's running it,

no matter what he does

with his legs.

Sam Donnell,

turning his career around.

I mean,

did a lot for a lot of guys

that came in with pedigree.

Like, okay,

let's give him another thing.

I mean, Donnell was on his,

what,

fourth team,

when he clicked with the Vikings,

yeah,

because his fifth,

he became more like,

say quarterback to be on his fifth team

to get the Super Bowl.

So, it finally clicked on his fourth team.

So, that's given new life to that.

Well, wait a minute.

We thought he had something

he was a top-10 pick,

top-11.

In the case of Fields,

I think he was 11th.

You know,

okay, there's a pedigree here.

Let's give this guy another shot.

And I think it's the other thing,

Sam,

unless we see them

put some kind of extension together for him,

this is just a one and done deal,

because there's no scenario, right,

that has him sticking around.

Like, the best-case scenario

has him not playing.

Let's take that off the table.

Has Patrick Moses been ready to go a week one

and you don't eat him.

And he always plays mop-up,

you know, the rest of the year.

So, that's the best-case scenario

for the Chiefs.

What's the best-case scenario

for Justin Fields?

There is none that has him

staying in the Kansas City

uniform next year, right?

Yeah, I mean,

I guess best-case scenario

is he does have,

like, a taste-some-hell-like season.

And you remember,

taste-some-hell-got,

like, ridiculous money.

After he had that season,

like, Sean Payton really believed

it was an integral part

of their offense.

I think that's pie

in the sky,

best-case scenario

for Justin Fields.

But, yeah, I mean,

more than likely,

he's going to be one and done.

And I think the other piece

of best-case scenario

for the Chiefs is that,

maybe the front office has

told Amy Reed,

if you really want to run the

RPO, we got you a guy.

Stop running with 15.

Go around with this guy

and stuff.

There was somebody in the

comments section had something

of that effect.

I thought the RPOs were gone,

but, alas,

I think they're still here.

I did see that one

somewhere there.

I apologize.

I'm sure I think of how much

he's been centered in his career.

I think he's been 99% shotgun.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah,

I do think it's part of it.

Well, I mean,

at the end, thumbs up,

thumbs down.

I like to move thumbs up.

I think it's as good a move

as they could have made

for the backup quarterback.

You agree, Jeff?

I mean, there are some

other guys out there

that they could have gone after,

but...

For this price?

For this cost?

Yeah, for the price

and the cost.

I'll give it thumbs up for that.

It's not a huge risk.

All right.

Sam?

Yeah, I agree.

It's one of the things that's

weird like it's not based

necessarily on how he plays.

I think it's how we're

going to grade these other

for agents, but as much as

how they use them,

especially if they're willing

to use them occasionally.

I think it's a real

positive because it's...

Here's the other potential

for this.

Use them like this for the

first month of the season.

Every team is going to

spend part of its practice

preparing for it,

as well.

And that's not a bad thing,

either.

Yeah.

So now the rest of the

AFC West has done in free

agency where the chief

set in the AFC West.

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All right. Let's talk

a little bit about what

we think the

Raiders have done.

We'll start with them.

They're at the bottom.

We'll work our way

from the bottom to the

top.

What we like.

Don't like those kind

of things,

whether or not the team

is actually better or

worse right now.

What's the Raiders, Jeff?

What's their best move?

Let me write my

sure I wrote this down

correctly.

I want to make sure I say

it right.

I know it's going

sound weird.

Pedal in the

bottom is their best move.

All right.

All right.

All right.

Here's their best move.

I was thinking about

somebody else.

But I was prepared to

you guys had a different

argument.

I know it's a lot of

money.

I know it's way more money

than any

center has ever gotten.

But he's a great player.

They're going to draft a

quarterback.

They run games

stuck last year and their

first round pick was

they're running back.

He's a leader coming

from a winning

organization.

They had a ton of money

to spend.

I think it's a

smart play for a team

that had to get better

to trenches.

They were horrible on

their offensive

wide last year.

Yeah.

Sam, where do you

say what's the best

move from?

Well, the best move

that they actually made was

the one that the Ravens

took back.

Yeah.

It was like getting

two first round picks

for Max Crosby coming

up surgery in his age.

It's so good.

When's the last time the

Raiders made a move so

good that the rest of

the league,

like basically pressure

to GM.

The GM felt the

pressure I think

for a bad of a move

it was.

I got to find a way to

get out of this.

And I know that they've

said it's an injury.

But like the injury was

at a time.

It had surgery.

Like they shouldn't have

been surprised by that.

I do agree with the

lender bond thing.

Even though it's like

150% of what any

centers ever made.

First of all, the Raiders

can afford it.

They're going to have a

rookie quarterback on a

rookie salary.

Their salary cap space was

a ton.

They spent the second

most money of every team.

I think some of it

they could have spent

smarter.

But we just talked about

the rest of the

teams.

And then they talked about

the rest of the team.

But you had a lot of

things that they've

had in the past and

fields.

And with Sam Darnold that

you brought up,

Strang, you can add Baker

Mayfield to it.

Situation matters a ton

for a quarterback.

We can look at all of his

metrics and the

combine and his college

stats and who he played

against in college.

What he needs to work

on.

But to me the best

indicator of success in the

NFL among these top of the

top prospects is just

situation.

What's it you cannot

put him behind an

the offensive line, but I think that's a spot where if you're going to overpay, like

overpaying for the quarterback's center is not a bad idea.

Yeah, I tend to think that they were, you know, the plan was to use draft picks on offensive

line as well, based upon where they did things.

I'm with you.

The Max Crosby deal.

It's the Ravens suck.

I mean, that's just it.

Like if they don't become a great villain in the NFL, like they backed out on free agent

deals, now they backed out on a trade, like not for one second, do I think that, you

know, they did anything other than go holy crap, you know, this sucks.

I've already said it.

I think Hendrickson overshot his market.

The money was drying up.

His agent quickly got on the phone and went back around the league and said, okay, we'll

take your last best offer.

And the Ravens said, okay, we'll get it done.

We'll back out of this deal.

I mean, I think it's absolute dirty pool being played by the Baltimore Ravens.

But you mentioned Linterbaum being 150% of the center market.

I've got Linterbaum as the best move as well.

And, you know, I know the centers have always lag behind the guards and I don't know why

because I would rather have a good center than a good guard.

And I think the center should be higher paid than the guards.

So I look at it as more, Trey Smith reset the interior offensive line market, 23 million.

And he took it to 27.

I know he jumped, you know, where Creed Humphrey was.

But I mean, Creed Humphrey was a great deal.

Was a team friendly deal for the Chiefs.

I think that's what we're seeing.

I think the center is even more important.

So I actually don't think the Raiders overpaid.

I think this is where it should go because he, I think a center should be the highest

paid interior offensive lineman.

And so I like this deal a lot.

Like I think it's a great move for the reason.

It's not just their best move.

It's a great move to try to solidify that offensive line and start where the ball starts,

start with the guy who makes the line calls.

I think this is, they're finally doing smart football moves when they do Tyler Linterbaum.

I love it.

I think it's a great one.

Worst move, Jeff.

This hurts because he's a Michigan guy, but, but Quitte Pay signing former Colts Edge

Russia for three years for 48 million dollars.

I understand the idea behind it because Max Cone was out the door when you did it.

But he's not, he's an average past Russia.

And that's what you really want from him.

He's a really good run defender.

He's really good at that.

But he had four sacks last year.

He's coming off a down year.

And, as you know, Sam Dismatch and there were other options out there.

You could probably go on a guy in Drey Anderson if you wanted to.

You know, I know they didn't want to get that old maybe, but still it's like to get a guy

like that.

And you've already got Tyrese Wilson, who hasn't worked out for you, a top 10 pick.

You bring back Malcolm Coons.

It's just, he's an okay guy, but he's not going to really meet a factor when it comes

to rushing the pasture.

And in this division, especially, you want to have that, be an element of a guy you're

spending money on in free savings.

All right.

Where'd you go for the worst move, Sam?

Yeah.

I want the same guy.

I'm equity pay.

I, that contract surprised me because, and look, I mean, all free agents get overpaid.

It's part of the award for reaching free agency and the fact that teams are filling needs.

But there were some adressors available in this class better than what you typically see.

And the Raiders being in a spot, I mean, they sent like $280 some million.

I just think they could have spent more here and less somewhere else.

Quitte pays, pressure numbers are like in the Charles of Minahue ballpark.

He's a 10.7 pressure rate last year, 12.4, 10.9, 9.6, and 9.8 over his career, which is

only once his career has he hit 11% pressure rate.

And like I said, other than last year when a Minahue was, was hurt, he compares pretty

favorably to a Quitte pays put up.

And I'm surprised that that wound up being his going rate.

Yeah, that's, that's interesting.

Quitte pay was who I went to first, like that's where I'm like, okay, this is where we

got to go on this one.

But then the more I thought about it, I get, you know, and I know you guys mentioned this

as well.

But I get what they were thinking and it went hand in hand with Max Crosby.

And that's why I'm, I'm not going to ding him for Quitte pay because they overpaid

for him.

Everything you guys said about it is right.

But this was supposed to be the, okay, we're going to move him for the picks and we're going

to look for another ad pressure and we're going to rebuild the roster.

And this gives us a young guy who could at least set the edge and maybe we can unlock some

potential here.

For me, you know, I know they're trying to fix the, the, the defense, but take your pick

on either one of the off ball linebackers.

Like I don't know why you're signing two of those guys.

And so I put down Quay Walker that for me because Quitte pay, like I said, I think he's

at least a serviceable guy opposite a really good one.

If you can find a really good one, I know they don't have it, but he'll play competent

football.

And that position's harder to find than it is off ball linebacker.

So I went, I went Quay Walker.

This one's a no brainer when he's spent much time on a better or worse, Jeff.

Oh, they're better.

They couldn't get worse.

Yeah, definitely better.

Made a lot of spark moves with some, a lot of young players.

They got younger.

They got more talented.

Yeah.

Definitely better.

Yeah, better, better.

Yeah.

You agree, Sam?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think it's absolute no brainer, other than they got better.

All right.

Let's move to the chargers.

Jeff, what's the chargers best move as you see it so far in this off season?

I went back and forth on this because they don't have, they're not a team that makes a ton

of moves at this time of year.

They're more about drafting and development that whole Ravens mentality.

But I thought signing a Tyler Beatish, the center was super important for them, obviously

Bradley both and retired, as much as we talk about Jim Harbaugh and the offensive line

what they want to do and their tackles, like their interior offensive line is a mess right

now.

And with Beatish leaving, with releasing Mackay back then, he didn't work out for them

and then Zion Johnson signs a big deal with with Cleveland, which surprised some people

given how he wouldn't play that great either.

I mean, you talk about the entire interior offensive line being replaced.

And so to get a guy who's a pretty good player in that position who Washington gave up on,

I think that's a huge win for a team that wants to run a football and take care of their

quarterback.

Sam?

Yeah, I wanted to go there, but I just don't think he's that great of a player.

I think he's below average in the league.

So it's hard to pick the chargers.

They don't give us many options to pick.

No, we don't.

Yeah.

So like, I wouldn't say I'm crazy about anyone that they've added, but I put down Keaton

Mitchell.

I just think is an under under the radar potential.

Good to add, you know, 10 of his 59 runs last year, explosive rushes.

This is a guy who I think fits in pretty well to Mike McDaniel's run scheme, which is

all based on speed.

He's the fastest running back in the NFL is the guy who gets to 20 miles an hour more

off.

I think he led the NFL in 20 mile prior runs despite carrying the ball 59 times last

year.

That potentially us looking back and being like, oh, yeah, that was a great fit for Mike

McDaniel's run scheme.

Yeah, I think that's a, that's a great point.

I'm with Jeff, though.

I mean, I, I think I guess I think more of the adish, but I think when you've got two

tackles at a question mark coming back, you better be stronger on the inside.

When you got a young quarterback, I think the adish is, I think on PFF, he was great at

the number 12 center last year.

So that puts him about average, you know, it's been that middle 10 and the numbers are

all pretty finite right there as the difference is, but I think it's important to be strong

there, particularly, you know, I say young quarterback, he's not getting, you know, younger

of him.

He's getting up there, but he's not the most, he's more mobile than you think.

But, you know, I think just he takes a lot of hits and if you can improve that, you know,

and they want to be an offensive line team, they want to be a ground-to-bound team.

And so they get better at the center spot.

I went Tyler, be adish, worst move, Jeff, for the charges, where'd you go?

I actually went to the guy, Sam Dismatchin, Keith Mitchell, and probably largely because

there's not a lot of options, you got to pick somebody.

I didn't like it because one, I think they go back to the well out there, they picked

up Charlie Kohler, the tight-in from the Ravens as well.

To me, he was a sending player when he got hurt for that ACL injury and I think he got

some of that back last year, but he's still to me a little bit of a gamble for what was

out there.

I think you could have found other running backs at the same price range who were a little

more accomplished and had a little more, a lot more opportunity with the football in

their hands.

And I think they're able to manufacture running backs pretty good.

They had a practice-quiet guy out there running for 100 yards last year for this team.

And so to me, it's just about the player and more about, I don't think that they had

to go out and spend money to find a guy that could have either drafted somebody or found

somebody within the building to do what he's going to do for them.

Yeah.

It was tough because I mean, I actually think all their moves are responsible.

Yeah.

Well, I don't have any like one where I'm like, oh, that's terrible.

I guess I went ahead and begrudged me, put down Dalvin Tom.

Oh, Sam, I skipped you, I'm sorry, but I'll go ahead and go now.

I went ahead and put down Dalvin Thompson or Tom Onsen.

Just because, you know, he's starting to get a little longer in the tooth.

He's been okay, but never dominant.

You're signing him to a one-year deal.

How much do you even believe in him?

But it's a one-year deal.

Even that's not bad, right?

Like, I mean, he's had moments, but so I had a hard time.

This is where I had a hard time finding somebody to put into the slot.

Sam, where'd you go, worst move?

I just put in not giving Justin Herbert more help.

I mean, it's been like for three years now where you watch it and say, wow, that guy throws

a great ball.

Wow, that guy's accurate.

Wow, that guy's actually pretty mobile.

Wow, that guy's tough in the pocket, he's willing to take a hit.

And the chargers don't do anything.

And the postseason, like, they've got to give him more help.

And when you bring in Mike McDaniel is an offensive coordinator.

I mean, look at when his system is best, as when most NFL systems are better.

Like it's all dependent on speed.

Like he uses a ton of motion and they don't have it in their wide receiver room.

I mean, like, Quentin Johnson and Lad McConkey are not burners at all.

And those are by far the two best wide receivers on your roster.

So I just, I thought they should have prioritized trying to get a burner of some sort to

fit Mike McDaniel's offense.

Yeah.

I think especially when you see what the Broncos did, what today, yesterday,

yeah, Jalen Wattler, I've been driving for three days, basically.

So my brain's a little bit moshier.

But yeah, when you see the Broncos make the move for Wattler, you're like, oh, I'm not

the chargers move.

Right?

Like, why weren't they trying to take that next step?

They didn't do it.

All right.

Better or worse for the chargers, Jeff?

They got worse or they are worse right now.

Some people would say I'm set as exactly true.

I was trying to think about the receiver's spot, but it's hard because they're so beholden

to their guys.

They're so stubborn about, you know, the people they develop and draft and seeing certain

traits other people can't see that.

And it's worked, but I don't know if it's going to take them to that next level.

I think at some point you have to start bringing a little more juice in and taking a few

more risks.

And so maybe they'll do that in the draft, but right now I think they're a worse team

than they were last year.

I think just losing Daffy O.A., they back up the bus right there.

I think that's enough.

Sam, I keep skipping you.

I'm sorry.

But I'll go again.

I think they're worse as well, Sam.

Where are you?

Yeah.

As compared to last year, I would say better because they get their left and right tackle

back.

But then off the moves.

Have the moves.

Off the moves of free agency, I think they're worse.

Yeah.

I think O.A. is a significant loss for them.

They give Cleal Mac a pretty good paycheck, even though it's only for one year.

I think their defense is going to be worse.

So I think overall they're worse.

Yeah.

I think the charges got worse as well.

I think so.

Yeah.

And I put a smile on my face as a chief stand.

I'm like, oh, yeah.

I don't think this adds up here.

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They were, you know, by the way, because we kind of talked about kick around the AFC.

Like overall, the AFC is pretty bland.

Like what we're hearing here, it was pretty bland as a conference, right?

Like we're not, the jail and model thing was a big move because you hadn't seen a whole

lot from anybody in the AFC.

I know we were talking about, we had an idea of going even bigger on this, which we'll

probably do later.

But that's the one theme that I think you'll find throughout the AFC, the exception

of maybe the Bengals, but we can get to them, like I said, on down the road.

But best move for the Denver Broncos, Jeff.

What was it?

GAN Asphalt again, tough team because not a lot to work with here, but I went to jail

model.

And I begrudgingly went with Jane Waddle.

I mean, make that clear fire in there because they're qualifying in because, and it's a

lot to give up for him.

If you were told me, Jane Waddle was going to get a first round pick, let alone three picks

on top of that.

I would have laughed at you.

And this speaks to how, how does put the Broncos are to try to keep that momentum going

from last year and they're getting ready to pay the quarterback pretty good.

They were a horrible team throwing the football down the field.

They were one of the worst teams in the league when it came to deep ball accuracy and

success rate.

So I get it.

And like you pair here in my court with Sutton, you give Boanex a chance to be more dynamic

in the past game.

It was also surprising because they've got a lot of other receivers, you know, MIMs and

Troy Franklin and guys, they've spent draft picks on, but Waddle has that deep speed.

He has that, he's pretty good as an intermediate receiver on crossing routes as well.

So that play actually can be a big big part of what Sean Payton wants to do.

So for a lack of other options, I'll go with you to the model.

Sam?

I was not, I'll bid in the Titans for Franklin Myers.

And I think that Franklin Myers is going to be a pretty big loss for them, but he's going

to be 30.

And I don't think it's a good idea to pay a 31, 32 and 33 year old defensive tackle, $21

million a year.

I also think that while he's a good player, he's largely a product of what's around him.

And we have seen with the Chiefs, you need somebody in that spot, but I just think they

could spend their money more wisely than $21 million there.

So I think some of the times the best deals are the ones you don't pay.

Yeah.

I went passing on Franklin Myers as the way I put it as well.

I think that's it.

Jalen Waddle made me really stop and think.

I, you know, Franklin Myers, when I looked at him, I'm like, okay, there's a guy that

Chiefs could get.

And I'm like, you know, the price where it's going to go in his age, like I really hope

that Chiefs don't throw a bunch of money at this guy.

So if I was thinking, okay, for a team that theoretically they are talking about, you

know, needing to rebuild a little bit, but still thinking Super Bowl.

If I didn't think it was the right move for them, then I think it's the right move for

the Broncos to move on.

And I get it a little bit.

I think the Titans are thinking culture change and let's, let's stock up on the inside.

Let's say I don't mind it for the Titans, like I wouldn't call it their worst move.

What I think for the Broncos, one of the things you did was get out of Capitol and surround

the first year quarterback with a lot of talent to turn around and go Chiefs, Jags and

Stars, or Jags and stars and Jags, I don't think it would be good.

So I think this allowed them.

In fact, I think if they have Franklin Myers, they don't get Waddle, right?

So I think this move enabled the other one.

I think those two go in tandem.

However you want to describe it, one doesn't happen without the other.

So I think both of those are part of it.

All right, worst move, Jeff for the Broncos.

Restarting JK Davins.

I thought there'd be a little more willing to go out and find a more durable back.

And I like JK Davins when he plays.

You're never going to get a full season out of him, which was the case last year.

And you saw how their office was impacted by that going into the postseason.

Like they missed that element.

The Ricky was good for them.

But to me, it's like there were other options out there you could have had around the same

money and to stick with that one, you're playing with fire a little bit.

So I thought they'd really bet on the wrong guy.

Okay, Sam.

Yeah, Davins is near the top of my list, but I'm actually going to group a few guys together

and say that they decided to run it back with a few positions that I thought they needed

to get better.

And we've seen a team do that when they went a bunch of one score games and decide that

it all was great the year before and all worked perfectly together in harmony.

And let's just bring everybody back when the two or the Broncos won 11 one score games

last year.

And I think six of those were like a feel goal or less.

I mean, they were just in a remarkable amount of tight games and and most of them went

their way.

I think there were 11 and two maybe in one score games and and they bring back like Adam

Troutman on a three year deal, a backup tight in on a three year deal.

Where have you heard that one before 32 year old linebacker on a two year deal multi year

deal.

Where have you heard that one before like to me, there's some repetition there with

the way that they resigned some guys versus the way that chiefs did over the last couple

of years.

I think maybe they should have learned a lesson from what didn't work for the chiefs.

And I see them making some similarities and I understand it can seem like six million

dollars here and and seven million dollars there and eight million dollars at JK Dobbins

is is no big deal.

We've seen with this year with the chiefs like this stuff adds up pretty quickly.

I don't know why they thought that, you know, a couple of those deals, I was like, who

are you bidding against to make JK Dobbins eight million dollars per year for two years?

He's played 32 games in five years.

Yeah.

I listen, I don't like them losing drag green law.

I'm going to I'm going to put that one out there like when it only was a one year deal.

I think he, you know, he was good.

If I've had him as the 16th ranked linebacker.

So that put that puts him, you know, middle, you know, you have three offball linebackers

and he's, you know, that's 48, you know, or what 90s, what am I doing there?

Yeah, 96 starting linebackers directly.

If you want to say everybody plays two, they put the nickel, find that 64 of them.

I don't like them losing him, but JK Dobbins is it, man, like, like, why are you going

out and resigning like you got, you hit it by getting him at three million, right?

The answer is not is not to go get him more.

Now, I will say this one of one of the things I will say in their defense that that's where

I immediately jumped to and then I started back off because I'm like, well, eight million

for Javante Williams, you know, 14, 15 million for Kenneth Walker, like, where were you

going to go?

But they have a second round running back.

I know he's undersized, but you took him in the second round, right?

Like the kid from Central Florida.

And if you don't like him, I mean, that maybe that's part of it is like, okay, we kind

of screwed up in the draft.

Let's not compound that problem and put it all on his shoulders.

Let's make sure we sign somebody.

But I like, you beat the system last year, right?

And now you're going and you're just chasing the price.

I didn't get it.

Like I expected, I expect Sean Peyton to be able to be like, hey, I can plug in any

back and we'll be successful.

Plus Dobbins has a history of being hurt and he's hurt and he was hurt again.

So like, why are you now upping him out of one of your giving?

Yeah.

Why did he cost more?

I mean, what was he, what was he the year before?

I mean, he was just like, what, like $4 million or $2 million.

He's less.

Yeah.

I think it was like 2.1 million last year and then he gets a Liz Frank injury.

Pretty serious foot injuries and he's going to be a year older.

He's going to be he's going to be 28 by the end of the year.

And all of a sudden, now he's worth more and a multi year deal.

That's why I phrased it the way of like, who are you out bidding in that situation?

Because there wasn't a market foreign last year in their defense.

It's it's a it's a deal that can get out after one year.

But you know, they get out.

They'll carry dead money if they do get out from under it.

So yeah, I'm not I'm not understanding how this was supposed to work for them.

Why they think it was going to work.

But anyway, all right, better or worse, Jeff?

I think they're a little bit better because of Waddle, but not substantially.

It's very close to being the other way.

But I'll give them Waddle.

If Waddle does what he is supposed to be able to do and not what he's done the last

couple of years with and I mean with a bad team granted, they'll be a better team.

Okay, so they are better because of the Waddle move.

Basically, I'd say him.

Yeah, this is tough.

I guess I would say better for this year and probably because of the consequences of

the Waddle trade and some of these these other multi year deals, I think they become

worse afterwards.

But I also don't I think better does not at all mean better record.

Like I do not think the Broncos are going to have a better record.

It's just whether or not they're a better a better football team.

And Stren you and I didn't comment on the Waddle deal because it wasn't our

best or our worst deal.

I think he's a great fit for what they want to do because he's the he's he's opposite

Courtland Sutton.

They're different style of receivers.

It's just a ton to give up because you also have to pay the player and you've got to give

up.

I think there's a lesson really for a lot of teams throughout this entire free agency

period, which is it can be slim pickings and free agency and guess what becomes the best

capital.

The players who are already on your roster can really build your future.

Man, we've seen a team, a lot of teams give up a lot for existing players this off

season.

Yeah, I've got them better as well.

I kind of like the way you put it better now.

I didn't think of it in terms of the long haul, but I think you're absolutely right.

They're better now, but they're sacrificing the future, which I'm actually okay with because

you know, they are playing with the first year quarterback contract.

So take advantage of it while you can.

I do like the Waddle fit.

So I think they're better.

I'm assuming the medical reports are good on JK Dobbins because they gave him that contract.

He won't play 17 games.

He'll get hurt with something else, but and they had room to lose on defense, some talent.

So and I think they've got good coaching there.

So the players they bring in, I think we'll play well, but I think they're better, but

not by much.

Not by much.

And if there's any kind of regression out of the quarterback, then they could be worse.

And I think the record will be worse on with you based upon the schedule.

All right.

So where do the chief stack up in the AFC West as we get near the draft and the bulk of

the free agent lifting has gone on?

Where are the chiefs now in this mix, Jeff?

I put them at second, probably, I think the Professor should have the best team in the

division, but I put them at second above the chargers right now.

Given what they've done and what the chargers have done, I think there's still a lot more

work to do, but I don't think the chargers that I said got better, they got worse.

So I think that the chiefs did get better what they've done.

So I'll go with them at two.

Okay.

And behind.

Broncos.

Behind Broncos.

Okay.

I see him.

Yeah.

I mean, the chiefs are going to enter training camp as the betting favorite and the AFC West.

And I think that's, I think them, the Broncos and chargers, of course, I think are the

three teams that could compete and they all should be about even.

They are all listed about even right now, but it's one of the few divisions where I would

not pick any single team over the field, but having to pick a single team, I guess, I

think I would say the chiefs.

Okay.

I'm going to go second right now, but I think why which teams?

I'm by the Broncos.

I just think I'm leery of the chargers.

I'm just leery of Jim Harbock getting it more than I do.

And you know, moves that I don't think are as good.

We're going to be like, oh, cow, that really worked.

And wow, that really worked.

Because I think Jim Harbock is really good at what he does.

I also think he grinds and we're not going into year three.

And I think usually your shelf life are less.

And so I think there is an element.

I would be a little bit worried that, you know, people get tired of his crap and it

starts to, you know, how hard he wants everyone to work and everything and that it starts

to wear off a little bit.

You know, if they'd had great playoff success, I would have been a little bit more confident.

That, you know, they were going to have success this year or gain this year.

But I don't think that that carrot got put in front of everybody.

But I think the chargers are going to be tough and it could be the chargers.

It could be the Broncos.

It could be the chiefs.

I do think the way you put it on the betting market, Sam, they're all wide open.

But I'll take them second behind the Broncos, but I think there's a distinct possibility

with the caliber of picks that they have that they can overtake the Broncos after the

draft.

I mean, I think it's going to be interesting to see what they do after the draft.

But I do think there'll still be some, you know, some, some important signings of some

of the one year 30 pluses, right?

I think some of these teams may put themselves over the top.

If you can find the right 30 plus guy coming to give you one good year, you know, I mean,

I think like, like if Joey Boas all of a sudden ended up on the chiefs, I feel better

about the chiefs, right?

Then I'll go, okay, I'll take the chiefs because for eight games, I think they're going

to be really tough upfront.

You know, I got, I have to go look at some of the other pre agents, the top free agents

that are out there.

But I think there's a couple that could still move the needle and they have just kind

of that 10 games that are really good that put you over the top.

They play the games you really need that I think had tilt the balance of power with

any one of these teams.

So I'll say second, but I could see for a second or third easily.

I don't think the Raiders with a first year quarterback are ready to climb out of the

bottom, but they're making strides.

I'll give them that.

They're going in the right direction.

Can we agree with that?

Oh, yeah, definitely.

Yeah, and you did mention the draft picks.

I mean, the chiefs will pick three times in the top 41.

The Broncos won't pick till 60 second and this draft.

And the chiefs will pick, I think it's four times before the Broncos will take their

second pick as well.

So part of that, I think, factors into what you see in the market right now and what

I believe the chiefs will enter train camp as the favorite is because they're at nine.

They're at 29.

The Broncos don't like the Broncos for agency.

And their additions to this offseason are pretty close to complete.

Yeah, no doubt.

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