What Lindsay Clancy’s Jury Heard About Her Injuries

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3:24There is definitely a personal cost if there's going to be a second Lindsey Clancy trial to the survivors of this tragedy, not only Lindsey herself, Patrick, the family members, the grandparents, aunts, uncles, anyone who was close to that family that that has lived through this. What's been very interesting about this trial is watching the victims gather around Lindsey stand on her side, sit on her side of the courtroom day after day and be in her space. You didn't see an angry mob on one side that were in any way related to Lindsey Clancy. They understand what took place. Bob bought a defense attorney is with us along with Robin Drake to discuss what's going to be going on next. Bob, how, how much of a consideration does a DA take into consideration when you have the whole family, everybody, the victims, everybody all on one side saying we get what happened here with

4:26the person accused of this crime and we don't want to see them burn. Obviously, it didn't weigh a whole lot this time. The state of Massachusetts still said, we don't care what you feel. We know better. Let's burn her. Do they, do they take a second closer look at that at round two, since we didn't really end up with a true answers in round one. I would hope so. I mean, is that part of the process? Do they, do they, do they ever sit down with the family? Do they sit down with Patrick? Do they sit down with Graham and Grandpa and go, hey, what do you think? Should we go after her again? Yeah, I mean, it depends. Every prosecutor's office is different. I like, there's no, you know, like handbook that says you have to sit down with his family, but I think that again, and I was saying this in our last segment, you know, we know where the family stands on this. You know, we know where they stand on this. Do they think that Patrick Clancy wants to come in there and do that again? Do they think that Sue Clancy wants to

5:26come in there and do that again? Do they think that anybody wants to go in there and do that again? I mean, do you get everybody there? I mean, what, let me ask you that too. I mean, because this is something to consider too. I mean, yes, I know you, you know, you could force people to come in, but to a certain extent. But what if Patrick's like, I'm not doing this again. I'm not going, I'm not, I'm not subject to he of every damn person in this case has every understandable right to say, no, no, I'm not subject to myself to the fucking mob of insane people who think the earth is flat and that I killed my kids. I'm not doing. I'm the million. He's got like, yeah, his lawyer had to put out another statement today. You know, and for those of you out there that are screaming that he did this and calling him a murderer and doing all that. Go take a flying leap. I mean, but I'd consult an attorney because his attorney's made it clear that anybody who's

6:27making content out there that's coming after him like that with definitives calling him a murderer saying he did this. They're coming after you. I would go consult with an attorney. He was very clear in this statement. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like it's this isn't this isn't a defense that was used in trial. Like there's a difference when a defense comes out and say there's a third-party culprit and people are discussing it. That's a different thing. This is just people on their own accord digging around saying, okay, well, this isn't consistent. Why didn't they look at this? This doesn't make any sense to me. Okay. He did it. You know, that's a completely different does Patrick have a right to say I'm not showing I'm not coming in. I'm not testifying a second time. I'm not you use the tape. Use the tape. But he's not using me. If they subpoena, they're going to hall his ass into court. But what Patrick has the ability to do, which is only lead to more drag me in. You're not going to like what I say. Even if he because what would be worse is if he

7:30were to have to be subpoenaed to come in because he could easily, you know, that would just lead to more conspiracy. See, he doesn't want to testify like no, he doesn't want to be burned alive by you hyenas is what he doesn't want. It's it's it's it's crazy. Bob, so on this going after it, again, angle of it, Reddington took a lot of heat afterwards from online about how he portrayed the diger that was a holdout. And some people are saying censure and things like that. So for looking at the retrial, does he in real terms because this is your area, does he actually face anything for the statements he made like you were saying in the last segment in the heat of the moment afterwards both him and Cruz were kind of spewing about what was going off. I mean, what was going on in their motion the moment. So was he inappropriate and what he was saying about the juror and can he face any reciprocity for that legally? And the words can he be around for another trial just making sure. Oh yeah. I mean, is it possible that the disciplinary board would

8:31look at it? But at the end of the day, you know, I mean, he's he's got a position wherein I think any attorney, if they understand if they're understanding the situation is that you have a juror that's refusing to apply the law, it's different. This isn't like there was a verdict. And it went against him and he came out and was firing on the jury. That's not that's not what this is. This was a mistrial wherein a note came out. And the note was saying something to the effect of that this juror acknowledged out and as refusing to apply the law. So I think if if he could go back in time, he'd probably take a like a lighter path in terms and just say, you know, I'm really disappointed with the way that this went down. But in terms of like he didn't dox anybody. Oh yeah, I was that's why I want to make sure we brought this up. I saw you. I was trying to say I was

9:31dox and I had to fire back on her. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about lady? I like there's three men and I don't know a damn thing about any of them other than what they look like. And I didn't say what they look like. I didn't give that. I know. I was I had I had a look it up to I actually because of that exchange, I actually had to look up the very technical term what doxing is and yes, not even close, writing to not even close. But I was just curious because I know a lot of people are saying send you for him because those actions. But again, I just wanted to get away from the the tic tockers in the world that were thrown shade on everything that goes on if it doesn't agree with them. I was just curious about the if there wasn't anything there. I don't anticipate there's going to be any issues. I hope not again. This is a difference out of circumstances because it was a mistrial. Right. You know, if you've got a lawyer coming out after a verdict doesn't go their way and they're popping off like that and they're they're you know, pointing it a particular juror. That's an issue. When you have a mistrial and again that note came

10:34out. I mean, any lawyer, no matter what side you're going to be on is going to be upset by that situation because of the way the note reads. You know what I mean? Without knowing more because none of the lawyers have talked to these jurors either. You know what I mean? That's not how this thing works. You don't go have a round table with the jurors after a trial and say, well, you know, let's talk about it. That doesn't happen. So all they have to go by is the note and what the end result was. You know, and I don't know if it was true because I was not there when the when the mistrial happened, but I know WBC was reporting that, you know, that there were there were jurors that were crying when the mistrial was being read and their heads were in their hands and shit. I don't know if that's true or not. I'm assuming that it is. It was a responsible thing to report if it wasn't happening in there. Sure. You know, these jurors went through hell for six weeks and you know, to end this way where if I think if we were to talk to the 11, that that's where the

11:37rubber is going to meet the road. Like if any of the 11 are willing to talk or even the holdout and just hear what their perspective on what went back, but you know, like the kind of the insane blood lost out here. Yeah. People just can't speak reasonably about it. And you know, like would you want to talk? No, right now. Yeah. And even with Patrick, you know, because even Patrick, he was, you know, I made a I made a misstatement at the very beginning of this case saying that Patrick was standing to with Lindsay because it hadn't developed enough yet. And even that statement was, no, he wasn't. He was he was stating facts. And he was saying the facts he was saying was before she got sick is the is the quote that was. And so he saw her as getting sick. He reported exactly what happened when she got sick. This isn't her. And that's where the congruences on all this. And so yeah, to go down the world of the conspiracy theorist there is just kind of nutters.

12:38If we do see around to hear Bob and they go, you know, what do you think the prosecution is going to frame differently? Do you think we're going to use the same framing of it was an insincere, serious attempt? Are we going to really change up some of these terms that they use that just didn't land well, which made them seem kind of fake? Well, I mean, it made them seem completely disingenuous. Yeah. Like in that, and that was the thing like I was having a debate on my life with Ian, Ronkel. Yeah. You know, like when we were kind of critiquing the closings, I think, you know, everybody was of the mindset that the Commonwealth's closing was more fluid. You know, it was more linear, just followed a straight line was easier to follow. Red was kind of like throwing darts a little bit. I like reds. I never I like. I like. I thought red was good. Yeah. I did too. You know, and like people kind of don't understand that when you're in a situation like they have in Massachusetts,

13:38where you're the defense and you go first, it's a different set of circumstances that we're all accustomed to seeing because usually in most jurisdictions, the federal jurisdiction, most state jurisdictions, it goes prosecutor, defense, and they're a rebuttal closing for the prosecutor. So what that means is that you can be reactive as the defense attorney based on what they're actually saying in terms of their initial closing. And here you have it where you're trying to anticipate what they're going to say. And you're trying to kind of throw those things in there where you're guessing, okay, the Commonwealth's going to hit on these five or six different things. All right. And I'm going to try to get in front of them any way that I can. But you're guessing. You see, do you see what the difference is where when you normally have a Commonwealth that goes first or a state that goes first, you know what they're saying. And then what they're doing at the end is

14:38they're rebutting what you said during your closing. Here you don't have that. You don't have the ability to be able to sit there and listen to the the initial closing of the Commonwealth say, all right, I'm jotting these notes down. I'm going to come on to these things. Which is what you see the Commonwealth typically doing a rebuttal closing. Anything that happens and you saw it here. You saw it when red put the quarters down. Like, no, you play pool like here. I want you to, I want to see you answer this one. And then he left the quarters on there in her reaction to that was she's like, all right, I answered that one. Grab the quarter put it in her pocket. All right, I answered that one. Grab it. That's the reactive type situation that I'm talking about. Whereas you're trying to be proactive, guessing what they're going to say. So from that perspective, I was like, but the Commonwealth is absolutely going to change its entire way that they present this case. And they're going to mimic what they did in the closing where they're going to acknowledge that

15:41this was an actual serious attempt at suicide. They're going to say, yes, we are an agreement. Like that first thing that we all have to agree on before we move to the two prongs of knowing right from wrong and being able to conform is did she have a mental disease or defect. We're all in agreement on that. Here's where the problem lays for, you know, and this is the Commonwealth closing. The problem is that while we agree that she had a mental disease or defect, that disease did not allow her to know wrong and it did not allow her to perform her behavior to the requirements along. It makes it easier. Just say we agree on everything defense said. We just think she's criminally culpable for it. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you make it a lot less confusing. You probably get to an answer a lot quicker, but I mean, at the end of the day, it is a confusing case. We will see if they dust it back off and try again in the coming days and weeks. Your thoughts in the comments section on Substack and YouTube. Love for you to weigh in. The links are in the

16:43description, defense diaries, Bob Mottah. Go check it out wherever you get podcasts, search defense diaries and press subscribe and also buried inside the John Wayne Gacy investigation. Also available great binging material. Dive into that podcast as well. Robin Drake, Retired FBI Special Agent also. Now the host of his very own masterclass, which you can check out. Robin. Yeah. So check out masterclass. It's all about behavioral assessment and becoming the person everyone trusts and then doing a deep dive everything we talk about here. Check it out masterclass.com backslash. Robin Drake, thanks very much. Go and check it all out and be sure to press subscribe so you don't miss any of our coverage of this in the many cases we follow for you right here. Until next time for Bob and for Robin, I am Tony. We will talk again real soon.

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