When A Bloody Person Knocks - Spring Brook, Wisconsin

0:00This week, in Springbrook, Wisconsin, a young woman wandering up to a farmhouse covered in blood as a wild story to tell about fear and murder, but as everything she says just deployed to cover up her own horribly bloodthirsty actions, welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello everybody and welcome back to Small Town Murder! Yay! Yeah, indeed, Jimmy! Yeah, indeed. My name is James Petrigal. I'm Jimi Wisman. Thank you folks so much for joining us today on another wild crazy insane edition of Small Town Murder. We have a wild story for you. Just also a strange relationship and awful murder. It's just terrible stuff. You're going to love it. Let's just put it that way. So before we get started, I do want to thank everybody who watches on Netflix, by the way.

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5:19now. We're going to Wisconsin everybody. Yeah. We will be going as well. We will be there on September the 18th at the PAPS. Doesn't matter of fact. Can't wait. One of the best nicest theaters in the country. We're excited. But we're not going there this week. We're going to springbrook Wisconsin. Just nowhere near the PAPS to or anything. Where's that? This is there. This is in Western Wisconsin. It's in the Wisconsin dels area there. Yeah. Where they all go on summer vacation. Yeah. Like north woods dels all that shit. Yeah. Think, think great outdoors. That's yeah. Those kind of things. Lakes and such. Lakes and yeah, exactly. Because that's where they were in the north woods. I don't know if they were in the dels, but they were the north woods. But it's all Wisconsin. It's all lakes and woods and cabins and you know suck my wake and pontoon boats and jet skiing. I assume and the most local bitches you ever seen. Local and if you whenever you have to be careful when you're lining up your shot and pool because you're probably putting your stick in between. Oh, wait. You're probably going to hit a very local girl in the in the

6:24jiner. Very low. Very local. And don't kiss the old men and wheelchairs. They're all dead. Don't do that. They they dead people will breathe on you, everyone. It's disgusting. You don't want that. So which I'm sure it's available in that flex. Great outdoors. You should watch it. So anyway, this is about an hour and 25 minutes to Minneapolis. It's actually closer to Minneapolis than it is to the Milwaukee population. It's three hours and 50 minutes to Milwaukee. So really a lot the other way and about three and a half hours to fund the lack Wisconsin. Our last Wisconsin episode that was episode six 86 serial killer motives. That was a. That was a wild one. The title says it all now. This isn't done county. We must differentiate between the spring Brooks now, which you son of a bitch as I swear to God when you're researching a town and you don't realize there's two goddamn spring Brooks and you're in Wisconsin. Oh, yeah. And you're taking stuff from different ones and then you realize, oh, God, these are different places. Then you have to go back and find. Oh, it's a nightmare. Trust why did they do that? I can't this is first we

7:30were looking at a case in Wolf River and there's a two different wolf rivers as well, which drove me insane. But now this is spring Brook. This is spring Brook with a space spring space Brook. I wish I knew because when you're researching it and you don't know that this is two different towns and you start taking bits from one town and bits from another spring Brook and putting them together. Then realize they're not the same place. I have to go back and fix it all. You hate Wisconsin for a minute. Let me tell you something who allowed that. I have no idea. This is spring space Brook. Okay. There's also spring Brook. One word. That's in Washburn County. This is in Dunne County. That's how it's different. That's how it's different. And I don't think they're that far from each other either, which is even more mad. So this is an area code 715 and 534. A little bit of history of this town. Apparently there was a lot of wild rice going on in this place. As we found out, this region is very icy. The monomy tribe spread wild rice everywhere. We talked

8:37that we did an episode in monomy Wisconsin and they were very excited that we pronounced it correctly. By the way, they were jacked for that. I had to thank Ross from Frazier for that because that's the only way I knew. By the time I have about wild rice, it takes for fucking ever to cook that shit. Otherwise, it's crunchy. You're going to bust a filling on that shit and go with that. I was in here. Metal pieces. And as much as much water as it tells you to use, use double that. Yeah, just just keeps soaking it. It evaporates before the rice can suck it in. It's tough, man. It's a sturdy rice. So by the time there's any European people here, the area note now that's done county was inhabited by the Santidecota who were in a feud with the OG block people as well. Yeah, that's something there. But OG boy, this is just with the day. Oh, J.I. B.W.A. I think it is too. I think you're right. So also there was the NAP

9:41Stout and company. They began in 1846 to become one of the largest lumbering operations that they've ever had anywhere in the world. NAP Stout owned over one, wow, half million acres of Pineland in the Red Seater Valley. And they cut two million board feet of pine and conducted retail and wholesale merchandising operations as well. They had a steam mill, a shingle mill. I owe those shape shingles. That was my dream as a young boy to open a shingle mill of my very own. I want a shake shingle house. It's just a house full of kindling. It really was looking for it, but you know what? No one would believe in me. You give me the initial seed money and I couldn't do it. Yeah, the bank told me that sounds flammable. So they strongly influenced construction, rail roads and all sorts of shit here because basically they were the company of the county. They were like a coal company in some Kentucky hill town. Basically, they everyone was dependent on them for

10:45everything. So they kind of did what they want. The Dunn County, they put together a company for the Civil War, the Dunn County Pinary Rifles, Pinary, Pinary. Stalks. Yep. And they fought in a shitload of wars, a shitload of battles. A second bull run and teed him, Chancellor'sville, the wilderness, Sponsolvania, Cold Harbor. These are some of the worst battles. The biggest Chancellor'sville was nasty. Cold Harbor was a nasty battle. Peter's Burg. So it's interesting. Now there's no reviews for this town. Can I find any? Not a review for the town itself. But I did find review a couple reviews for the springbrook resort, which is on the delts there. That's fun. Okay. So we'll find out. Oh, and says five stars. Absolutely amazing. Worth the extra price for the stay was really cool. The cabin backed up to a par three. Oh, that's nice. The spring. Resort. Yeah. I guess,

11:48fuck, I don't know. Maybe on the team. Yeah, par three course. Maybe that's what they're saying out of par three. Yeah. The springbrook resort company texted me several times to see if I needed anything and also responded right away. More than enough room for my full adult group of 11. A group of 11. Is that right? 11 adults. Is that that has to be a like a party or 11 Wisconsin's though. Oh, anites. What do they call themselves? Wisconsinites. Drunks would be a better way to put 11 11 adult Wisconsinites all in the woods. Wow. Oh, this person's actually from Rockford, Illinois, which is not better. Oh, so they're drunk too. Next Courtney from Chicago. One star. We are here around 3 p.m. was told the room is not ready until four. We are still waiting right now at 504. Well, listen, do you're not getting any of James's sympathy? Yeah.

12:54Oh, tell me. Oh, tell you're like, well, I should be ready by that time. I don't know. We'll keep walking around the city for a while. Every time we get to the hotel, they go check in, not so far. Yeah, I was just kind of hoping. No, not so far. You're like, okay, well, and that's six o'clock across around there. Like we're real sorry. Yeah. I'm sure you're real sorry. Yeah. Oh, you're a stickler for time, but now it's six. I see how this works. Okay. Yeah, it wouldn't be nice to walk up there and just be like, no, no, check in. Was it four? I'm here. I'm going to go to a room. So you just, you know, I'm going to barge in while one of the maids are clean and one of them and just say it's mine now. You better give me a key in number because I'm going to one. I am happy. It's happening. We are frequent travelers and but far and but far, not by far. This is the worst experience. Not the worst. I'm sorry. The worst experience. This is the worst experience for explanation points. Then there's a response from Julie M. The business manager who says sorry to hear this. We want to make sure everybody receives a tentative thing.

13:54Then says best Mira who is not Julie who is the person and picture that posted back to her. So I'm very confused. You don't know what's going on up there. People in this town, 1764. Not a big town. Small. Yeah. Men and women. This is wild. 55.8% men in this town. Which is, I don't know what they're, they're still logging or what? Because that's a huge difference. Media and age here is just almost exactly the national average, 38.8. This is a lot of married people here. 60.2% married in this town, which is a lot. 7.1% single with children, which is way below the national average. I think more men are willing to be this remote. I think, I think maybe a lot of these resort places have a lot of like jobs that are like kind of outdoor, like dirt bag, transient due jobs. They like living in a shed up in the

14:56trees. You can't get women to do that. They're like, that's disgusting. Guys, guys like, tough pitch, tough stuff. Enough beer. I can make it work. You know, they don't give a shit. He isn't handy wipes from my long john silvers to clean with. We're disgusting. We're pigs. We're pigs. Race here, 86.7% white, 0.8% black, 2.8% Asian, 3.6% Hispanic was constant. There religion, 48.8% religious and the highest by far, 25.4% of the people here are Lutheran with a bullet to the top Lutheran. Yeah, we got that. Not a lot of anybody else really. That's got to, it's a lot of Lutheran unemployment, a little bit low, a little bit under the national average, which I assume there's always resort type jobs to pick up around here. Really something to do. Median household income here is actually high, only by about $3,000, but high, $72,000 a year. So not terrible cost of living. 100 is average

16:02for the whole country here. It's 86. Oh, that's great. Not bad. Median home costs $316,300. Right up the middle. Not bad. In the middle. Yeah, it's not terrible. Now if we've convinced you, dammit. This is the only place you'll be happy on this beautiful green earth of ours here. We have for you the Springbrook Wisconsin real estate report. All right, your average two bedroom rental here goes for $1,020 a month, which is well below the national average. Not bad at all here. Now the house as I found very interesting. Weird little houses here is a one bedroom, one bath, 480 foot, essentially, it looks like a lot shed, basically. Yeah. It's a tiny house. It's standalone though. You know, sitting right by itself in the middle of five acres, by the way. Wow. So it makes it seem even smaller, really,

17:05if you think about it. You want room, but feel like you have none. Yeah, you want to do that. You want to have plenty of room outside and none inside. I want to feel great in the summer and horrible in the winter when you're sitting in this tiny house and can't leave. Hardwood floors, pretty nice, on 5.03 acres, $140,000 for that. What's that mean for the acreage? For five acres, that's not bad. It's not bad. Here's a three bedroom, two bath, 1,820 square foot house, raised ranch, detached garage. It's green. It's like a weird like pea green, which I don't care for very much here. More yellow than mint. No, more pea, more dull than mint. Doesn't have like a mint have some verve to it, you know what I mean? More yellow in the green than the white. I guess. I don't know. Also, I'm bad with colors. I can't see purple and blue the same to me and shit. So I have some color issues. So I don't know. I can't say I don't call that color

18:05I don't know. I don't think it's like officially. It's just my little fucked up. I got some my rods and cones are a little off. I'm not sure they're not getting right, but maybe I don't know. 1,820 square feet. So this thing is $363,000.890 acres. Not terrible. And then here's the most expensive one I could find. Two bedroom, two bath, 1,216 square feet. It's on 9.6 acres. It's a little house got a little porch on it. It's nice. Just had a $5,000 price cut. $444,000 for that. Seems like the Midwest dream is to have 10 acres and no fucking house. No house. Well, I think because if you're buying these houses, these are to live in. These are summer cabs. Oh, these are vacation places. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the dream of anyone who lives in Milwaukee. Chicago, it seems like any of the Minneapolis, they want to have a nice little house and all this and then they want a lake house for the summer. To go away too. Yeah, summer is such a big deal to them

19:09because it's so short and it's not, you know, and it's so cold in the winter, they love it. Let's get out there and get lined up. I need a tick to bite me now. Any triggers around because I really would love to have one burrow into my skin. Yeah. Things to do here. I'll grow up. Things to do here. Wisconsin Delshitt boating fishing outdoor shit. Yeah. Also go to the Woza Wa Fah Fall Festival. Woza Wa W O Z H A W A spaces in between those. Which translates to fun time to have fun. Which seems redundant, but I mean, I guess it's not an exact translation. It's derived from the Ho Chiang Kribe tribe. Jesus. It is a landmines of watch out for slurs here. Jesus. This is not a language. Ho Chiang. They call it three unforgettable days of family, fun,

20:12local flavor, live entertainment, shopping and Wisconsin Del's tradition. And they have your carnivals and farmers markets and antique markets. And then the little priest singers will be there. The what? Little priest singers, a southern Ho Chiang family drum group based in the Wisconsin Del's. These are like where in the traditional tribal clothing. Don't worry. Tony Rocker will be there at seven though. It just says live music on Elm Street. Doesn't say what he is. Tony Rocker. On Saturday night, high mileage will be there. Oh boy. Oh yeah. And then there's a parade. Yeah. Okay. Not much going on. Crime rate in this town. What we're interested in here. Property crime is about half the national average. So pretty safe. Not a lot of steel in going on here. People are too drunk to steal, I feel like. You know, violent. Violent cry, murder a robbery. And of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore

21:13of crime is about one third beneath the national average. So that's terrific. Yeah. I'm sorry. Not beneath one third of the national average. So two thirds low. So it's even better. Pretty damn safe. That said, let's talk about some murder that happened here. What do you say everybody? Let's do this. Okay. Wow. Is this a wild story, by the way? And if you really are interested in this story, you can watch the entire trial on YouTube. It's all the court TV did an entire they have it all. There's also several accounts, several accounts that have all of the stuff and all the interrogations and everything. So you can really get an ass low to this case, which makes great. Putting the case together very difficult because you have to decide what you can you can have a nine hour show. So we have to decide kind of what belongs and what doesn't. And you know, because to me, all the facts are important to Netflix. James, they'll watch it. Yes, that you guys like the long episodes on there. We hear so that's great. Stick around. He'll stick around. We

22:16appreciate that. So let's start out at March 22nd, 2018. So very recently. Yeah. Pretty much, you know, everything in your normal, you still have the same phone, an upgraded model of different operating systems. Yeah, we can listen to us on iTunes. Yeah. We we are literally on doing small time order right now. As this is going on, I'm sure an episode came out that day. Yeah. So March 22nd, 2018, 4 p.m. This is about 415 actually to be fair here. Okay. And 911 call comes in from a farmer at like an 85 year old farmer here in the middle of nowhere in Wisconsin. Still farm still farm and got nothing better to do. Where's he going to go? Don Sippel is his name. Okay. This old man Don Sippel says, quote, I have a young lady that just came to my house and somebody attacked her. Oh, pretty matter of factly. He was sitting down to eat dinner when a young

23:19woman starts banging on his doorstep. He's arrived at his doorstep, banging on his door, begging for help. And Don's sitting down for dinner at 415 to be fair to don't. He is 85 and a farmer. So between being 85 and a farmer, I assume he gets up at about what, 205 a.m. Usually, probably, I am one 15 maybe. I'm 45, not a farmer and I dream of this day. Oh, in bed by seven. Oh, yeah. Four is definitely four is lunch for me for sure. That's not dinner. I did her like 10 o'clock at night, usually. Yeah. So yeah, that's that's weird. Maybe poem give me another 40 years. Maybe I'll change my mind. Who knows man? My turn. My run this life different to turn that clock this way a little bit. So when asked what he thought was happening when someone ran up to his door, he said, quote, I had, I had no idea. She kind of

24:19had like dried blood or something around her mouth. No shoes on, mud up to her knees. Oh, she ran through a swamp. You don't get this on a farm in the middle of nowhere, usually. Some stranger running up covered in blood with mud all over the place here. By the way, this comes from an interview with CBS News who did a lot of extensive coverage on this. I'm going to give them the credit that they deserve. So he brought her inside being a friendly farmer and kind of a bloody young lady. And she looks like she might be late teens, even. So I'm like, oh, she's a young lady, a young woman. Yes. So anybody who's 85 would take a grandfatherly or if they're gross, they'd take a pedophile approach. But either way, certainly. Yeah. They take some sort of one way or the other. They're going to have some interest in this young lady. Yeah. Whether to help her or do horrible things to her, some one of the two. One of the two. And she running up to a dark farmhouse in this condition. I'm sure was happy to see an 85 year old farmer. You know what I mean? Rather than

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30:30September the 18th will be at the perhaps. Yeah. So then the state theater will walk you the next night. Be the you. Anyway, very next night. Very next night. September 19th. Stay theater. Many apolis. So she's this guy is clueless. He brings her in. Here's a blanket. He said, quote, she was cold. And I think I'm sure in shock. And then she said I was assaulted. And then I went and got on the phone and called 911. And that's what happened here. She was bleeding her clothes were torn. She's covered in mud. Saying she's being attacked. I mean, anybody would call 911 in that situation. Right. So once the police get there, you know, there's the body cam footage that they have or dash cam or one of the two where she says, I'm so scared. And they said, where are all you hurting from right now? The cop asks. And she said everywhere. And the cop said, okay. And she keeps asking for some she said, please contact this person. Please contact Jason Mangle. Please,

31:32I need Jason Mangle. Please contact Jason Mangle. We'll find out who he is in a little while. So she's taken to the hospital where she's treated and undergoes a sexual assault examination completed by a sexual assault nurse examiner. They have special people that are, you know, their extra, I'm sure, nice. Yeah. Yeah. Probably ladies. I would assume. Generally pretty gentle folks. Yeah. Yeah. They get the nicest nurses and they're like, you're going to be the one that talks to people who come in without having the worst day of their life. Okay. You're going to be that way. It's six days from retirement. No. This kid anymore. Not the lady at the front desk that says spring their key sticking out of your eye. That'll be three hours. Go sit down and it doesn't even give you a second look without making eye contact. They don't care. So that is funny. Are they triage and take the most. Yeah. Take the most injured people. My daughter had like a framed ankle or that fucking emergency hours. A lady walked in bleeding. My daughter goes, great. This bitch is going before me. Oh yeah. Take it.

32:33She's certainly going before you. Yeah. Great. Here's this bitch. First she's bleeding. Calm down. Jesus. Oh my god. She has a rebar sticking out of her chest. We should probably let her go first. She just called that bloody lady a bitch to her face. Come on. I'm you whining bitch. Look at this fucking whiner. She's nothing but a whiner. Look at her. Faker Malinger. She's bleeding. I'm in pain. There's a difference. That doesn't even hurt. Fuck you. Meanwhile, she's sitting there on the ice on her ankle going. This is wrong. I can't do that. Well, it's the angry kid. Oh man. So they using this whole kit, they examine abrasions and lacerations to various areas of this young lady's body. Okay. Okay. Now lacerations to her left arm appear to be letters cut into

33:38her skin. It's not appear to be the letters carved into her skin. Spelling B.O. Why? Boy. On her arm. Okay. Boy. She says she cannot remember what happened or if she was sexually assaulted. She has no idea what happened. It says a word carved in her arm covered in mud and blood and no idea what happens. So they do the sexual assault thing just in case because she says I don't know if I was sexually assaulted. So essentially this doctor takes a look at her and determines that they believe these wounds are self-inflicted. We'll tell you how they believe that because it's just basic logic of when you see of why that is and refers her for a mental health evaluation. Okay. She's then admitted to a secure psychiatric unit and let's find out who this young lady is.

34:38Because right now she's like Goldie Hawn and Overboard. Like she shows up. She has no idea what's going on. She's been battered a bit here. Any ghouly. Any ghouly. Now her name originally, not what she's going by now when we'll get to that and we'll get to also identity and everything else is Monica Kay. That's what she's born. Okay. Yeah. She's born as Monica Kay. Later on, and we'll find out why here, she's born October 6, 1997. Small town Wisconsin kid. Her mom was 14. Oh boy. 14. Which I mean, that's crazy. Yeah. Unless the father's first. 1997. That's a problem. That's a problem. Yeah. Unless the father's an eighth grader and she's a ninth grader, then I'll let it slide. And you know, but I mean, obviously today that's a problem. But in 1965, that's as long as you're married or whatever. But today, 1997, that's a big problem.

35:43We'd be planning a reception if this was 1965. People be deciding who's going to bring the potato salad if it was 1965. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So her father ditches the family pretty much immediately because why not? Because he raves kids, James. What was it say? People who fuck 14 year olds generally don't they're not looking to settle down at that moment. A sort of reliable guy. That's strange. Right. Weird. So mom ends up marrying a different guy who will raise her as his own. Okay. Guy named Joe Shane, I believe, is his name. So then those two mom and her dad, essentially, not biologically, but Joe, end up getting a divorce as well. When she's about 11 or 12, she says she was in middle school at that point. She said that it was the household was like living with two tornadoes in one room at that all the time, basically, with those two. And yeah, she said

36:50that they're both hurt. The Joe and her mom were both very strong, opinionated people. And they would just often butt heads and my mom and my mom and she said they would disagree about ways that he would discipline her as well and like rules for her and shit like that. So they would argue. Her mother's name is Rosalina or Rosalina, by the way. So then later on, I get this is okay, that was when she changed her name, by the way, the guy, Joe Shane's last name is Carlin. And that's the name she takes, not George Carlin, like K-A-R-L-E-N. So she's Monica Carlin at some point in there. She takes that name. So then after the divorce, Joe, Joe Shane actually, because he had adopted her and everything else, they stay close and she goes and sees him on the weekends. It's not like the co-parent. Nice. Yeah, that's her, his daughter. Now she'll end up going by a different name by the time she's at a farmer's door covered in mud and blood. Okay. She's going by Ezra McHandless.

37:57Okay. I should pick those shits from. Mick Candle, and then with two S's. So yeah, McHandless. I know I'll tell you exactly where it came from because she says she's small, two, five, two, one, 15 little tiny thing. So why Ezra, why she's picked this different name, she said that she was going through a lot of changes when she was a teenager and the name best represented who she was. She went on a family vacation. She said and saw the name Ezra somewhere. I don't know, in some 90 CD possibly. And she thought it was a nice neutral name. It wasn't too feminine. It wasn't too masculine and she didn't know how she felt at the time. So she picked this name basically. Okay. Yeah. And by the way, she will have a, you know, pronoun change for a while. She'll go by the they thing. But then by the time we're done with all this, she's filing everything as she she she she she. So that's why we're using she.

38:58Whatever we're not trying to do. Whatever we're just fucking that's what she calls herself. She now. So that's what we do. So she picked the last name, McHandless, for a guy named Chris McHandless, who is from into the wind or into the wild. I'm sorry. I'm not into the wind. Oh, from the book. From the book and movie. Okay. Oh, yes. He also, by the way, if you don't know, he is. He went by the student and Alexander super tramp, which is a much more. Well, the much more fun name on my new name. That's pretty great. Alexander super tramp. Yeah. You can't I already I already a copy right at it for porn. Jimmy. It's all mine. And Alexander super tramp. Take me away. What does super tramp mean? Because that was a band and yeah. Yeah. I know what it means. Evidently, it's a big deal, huh? I guess if you're a hobo, you're like the best hobo. You ride the most rails, you're super tramp. Wow. I'm going to be extra hobo. That's going to be my name.

39:58When I'm out of things, I use my bindle as a cape. It's great. Yeah. We he's an American adventure who sought an increasingly nomadic lifestyle as he grew up. Just reading his description of who he has. He graduated from Emory University in 1990 and traveled across North America and hitchhiked to Alaska in April of 1992. There he entered the Alaskan bush with minimal supplies hoping to live simply off the land. How about that? You're going to get eaten by a bear. You're crazy. You're going to die. That is unforgiving shit. Alaska is not meant for the week and the unprepared are not not that he's weak, but that's unprepared. You have to be the wildlife. Regardless of whether you find it there, there's so many other things that'll kill you. Wolves like crazy up there. Yeah. They'll never be found. They'll eat your bones. It's lousy with woods with wolves up there. Man, it's crazy. You're me turning into something. Shit. No shit. Now on the eastern bank of the Shashana River, this guy found an abandoned bus,

41:01Fairbanks bus 142, which he used as a makeshift shelter. His final written journal entry noted day 107. That's what it was titled. He made it fucking four months. Four months simply read beautiful blue berries. Days 108 through 112 contain no words and were only marked with slashes. On day 113, there was no entry. And I feel like the berries probably weren't going. Yeah. The bad beautiful blue berries. Wow. They make crazy colors, man. Holy shit. All I can write is a slash beautiful blue berries. Just had a conversation with several care bears. Things are going well. They're not bears. I can hear their stomachs growling. They're going to Oh no. Wait. That's a ground. That's not a rainbow on your stomach. Is it? Oh no. So the basically near this time around this time, he took a picture of himself waving while holding

42:06up a written note, which said, I have had a happy life and thank the Lord. Good bye and may God bless all. And on September 16, 92, a hunter who was seeking shelter for the night, discovered that the bus discovered this bus and entered the bus and found his body. So decomposing remains in a sleeping bag. He weighed only 67 pounds. Just you can't do it up there, man. No. This guy grizzly man. What is wrong with people? Nature is a nature. That's not for everybody to know. It can't do it unless you own a house. It's ridiculous. There's a lot of debate, by the way, is officially ruled as starvation. But there's a ton of debate as to how he really died. Even when you find a 67 pound man talking about, I ain't Barry's fucking emaciated in a sleeping bag. There's still conspiracy theories. It's crazy. It's real. We got to stop, dude. Conspiracy theories. All the evidence right in front of your face. And you're like, yeah,

43:09he was murdered. There's cases where both sides agree on the facts. And people are like, nah, nah, I don't think so. I think it's there. It's like, what are we talking about? Clearly more. Yeah. So fucking weird. So anyway, in 1993, outside magazine, wrote an article about him and then published into the wild, the book, which was then adapted into the 2007 film directed by Sean Penn, actually, starring Amille Hirsch playing him. So there's a big move. Oh my god, James. I was thinking call of the wild. I can't believe I know that right that it's still a book. Well, yeah, that's the old book that they made you read in like seventh grade, the call of the wild, right? Wasn't it? Yeah, I'm an embarrassment. Jack Londoner, some shit. Yeah. So well, they actually made a documentary called Call of the Wild about him though. So maybe so that. Well, what the fuck? Maybe you saw that. There's into the wild, call of the wild. That was in 2007 was both the movie and the documentary. So either way,

44:14now back to Ezra said she identified as more masculine and high school and then got more back into femininity and said she was more fluid and she now now she's back. All right. Now very artsy, super into art. I think she just a lot of people is having open mind and that's their artsy a lot of time. So they think about things. Well, is this actually how I feel about this? This is actually how I feel about that. So she was real into arts and she was four or five years old and all that kind of thing. Yeah. After high school, she attended college to pursue a degree in art, but dropped out in the first year as Ezra does with a lot of things. Some. Yeah. Well, as arts people do. Yeah. As they do. Yeah, that's the thing. Now her parents said, well, if you're not going to go to school, then you need to get a job and help out at home essentially go to school or get a job. Pick the part of which is fine. So she decided to couch slur surf and sleep in her car instead of

45:16doing that. No, about that. About asleep in my car. All right. By the way, about her car, she has like a, you know, a 2015 or so impala or whatever, a white one. Oh, she's heavy and she does artwork on her car and like a bunch of it. Like her whole roof is decorated with like it looks like a bird, like a crow riding a bicycle kind of thing. But I actually dig her style. It's a lot like her style is very Ralph Stedmanie to me. You know, Ralph Stedman is. No, you know, that is Ralph Stedman. You know, you know, exactly, you've seen his picture because I have one of his drawings of Hunter Thompson on my living room wall. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. I could see it. Yeah. He's the guy who does all of the other times. Yeah. Chaos and like aggressive. Sometimes it's colored in an interesting way. Yeah. And angles are interesting. It's very much look up Ralph Stedman stuff. I got a shitload of his stuff. I love Ralph Stedman's shit because it's like he would write, draw the pictures

46:18to Hunter Thompson stories basically. Yeah. In a lot of old stuff. It's chaotic. It's it's a yeah, it's not yeah, really uniform. It's not traditional drawings. It's, but you look at it and you go, wow, that's very interesting. Yeah. It's very yeah. Well, the chaos, a lot of his drawings comes from the fact he's drawing Hunter Thompson who is in a constant state of chaos. So that's how he sees him and draws him. Other shit that he draws isn't so chaotic, but it's got that same style of lines and thicker to thinner and things like that. So yeah. Hard lines. Yeah. A lot of hard lines and pretty cool. Things are kind of harsh. So she found herself and hanging out in O'Clair, the college town there in O'Clair, Wisconsin, which is about 20 minutes away from spring Brooke, by the way. There in July of 2017, she met a man. Okay. Yeah. All right. And not even really a young man. I was going to say a young man, but he's 33 years old. So he's not even really that

47:19young at the time. She's 19. He's 33 Jason Mangle. And I've seen his name spelled either MENGA, G-A-L or MENGA EL. I've seen it spelled both ways on like official documents. So I have no fucking idea. Now he's an army reservist. Okay. He's a medic in the army. So he goes off and does some stuff. I don't think he has a car because he's always on a bicycle in this story. Really? Yeah. He gets around pretty good on a bicycle, but he's always on a bicycle. And he lives in like this college town. So that's kind of fine in a college town. Everything's kind of close. Part for the course. Yeah. Like we've been to like Madison. The bicycle will be the appropriate way to get around there. It seems like. Yeah. As long as you live in that area, but yeah, some of that area. Yeah. As long as you live near the college, if you live out in the woods of Madison, you ain't getting around shit on a bike. No, no. You're going to be you better have a fucking

48:21specifically. No, no, no bike. Yeah. That's going to be tough. A little bit tougher. Yeah, that that Madison. They are. Man, that is a drunk down. Boy, oh boy. You walk out. I've been there during winter. They don't plow like they plow back east like they plow the main roads. But they're side streets. You're on your own. Tough shit. Yeah. But some get some snow tires. Asshole. That's all there is to it. Wow. So this Jason. Jason is outside of Reese's coffee place, which is our racies. I'm sorry. Racies coffee. Racie Delaney's I believe it's called. Which is where this is the coffee house everybody hangs out at. Everybody is always at this place. People end up working there. They go there. Hang out there for hours. It's like a Kevin Smith movie. Like they're all like sitting around talking about comic books and a coffee shop for hours or

49:23something. It's interesting. You know, kids will do that. Kids. I mean, he's a 30-thirty thing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Something your old man. But that's what I was kind of like. Kids find that one spot still and they congregate there. Yeah. So this guy, he's he had a flat tire on his bike. He's 33 and you're sitting outside the college coffee place bummed out because you've got a flat on your fucking 10 speed. You got to reexamine your life at that point. This is not what you had have had planned. Reese is that hard reset. Yep. So there's a nighttime barista that's working named Alex Woodworth. Now Alex gives Jason because everybody knows each other. They all know each other. He gives Jason some leftover coffee that they had. You know, they're throughout anyway. Gives it to him in it to go cop and locks the doors and tells Jason to, you know, I guess hang out on the bench. You can hang out in front of the bench. So now he's sitting there looking like kind of bummed out and looking like a lost puppy. So that catches the attention of a young lady.

50:27Ezra. She pops up and some people just need to bring in the strays and that's all there is to it. That's what they're looking for. Exactly. So she popped up and said, what's the matter? And they ended up talking for hours. Oh, just for hours about everything they exchanged as social media info and all that kind of shit. So they go from like messaging on Instagram. That's their way of communicating. And then within about two and a half weeks, they're living together. Very quick. Not two and a half weeks to exchanging phone numbers. No, no, no, two and a half weeks and she gave him the, he gave her the front door key. Two and a half weeks from what's the matter to yeah. This chicks moving in with us. I'm going to bed, honey. What are you climbing in? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Which is a wild decision on both of their parts. And this is a 33 year old man

51:28with a bike in a roommate also like. There's there's another person. Oh, yeah. He doesn't live on his own. Oh my God. He people with, you know, I don't know any sort of upward, anything. Don't just sit around going, man, my bike tires flat. Oh, yeah. Not a bench. Like you got to have some movement. And he does not. Yeah. So if a bike tire hamstrings your day at 33, my guy, you got to, you got to get it together. And your roommate won't give you a ride. You got it. That's a problem. A lot of levels. So Jason's a medic in the army reserves like we said. So he would have to be away for weeks at a time once in a while. And Ezra does not like that at all. At all. They're not not into that. She doesn't like him leaving at all. Okay. Which she's got abandonment issues. Obviously, you know, I mean, he never knew her real father very much or stepfather kind of,

52:28they got broken up and all that kind of thing. So she gets upset. If a guy leaves, she assumes he's never coming back, you know, basically. If he's going to get a pizza, she's coming with because he might not come back. She's terrified. Yeah. So Jason was holding my ass. I'm getting a part. Yeah. Fuck that. No, no, no. Yeah. Sure you want sausage. I'm coming with. So she was, he's also critical of the fact that she's kind of very affectionate with other dudes in their social circle. Okay. They have a pretty good social circle. A bunch of people they hang out with. And yeah, she's very kind of friendly. And, you know, those girls, sometimes it's fine and then sometimes it can make you uncomfortable or whatever the fuck. And sometimes you've got to just loosen up and realize that grow up, you know, and like, don't be so upset about shit like that. At 33, it should be your concern. Unless she's following them somewhere and blowing them. That's right. Yeah. She's rubbing on their balls or something. That's a different thing. But

53:30if she's just a friendly person with their friends, you should like that she's friendly, I guess. Yeah. Some people show their emotions physically. Yeah. Now, this is from Ezra. She said, I met Jason outside of a coffee shop one night after a music festival. Racy D'Lanes is a coffee shop. And he said he was doing, they said, he seemed, she said, he seemed quite frustrated. So I said, said, well, what's the matter? And we just instantly started talking. And we talked all night after that, all night long conversation. We exchanged information. We'd become texting back and forth. And we started seeing each other after at that time. Now, I guess she was living with her mother in Stanley, Wisconsin at the time. Okay. So they said that the texting went on and it led to dating. And she said that, quote, I would say, would be the word we fell in love quite fast because we just had so much in common. And how in the beginning of that age difference,

54:32specifically the age difference, well, I wasn't concerned necessarily that we had an age gap. I felt a bit awkward that he was so much older than me. He was even close to my own parents age. Right. His mom's 14 years, 1933, how many years is that? Oh my God, they're the same age. Same close. Fucking age. Oh my God. Has her mother. Which I mean, I guess that could happen when you have 14 year age difference between parent and child, but that's right away. You go, oh, you're the same age as my parents. That's kind of weird, right? Sure makes it relatable though. Doesn't it makes it easier? Yeah. Well, I mean, any amateur psychologist can dig into that one and understand what's going on here. But, you know, we're not going to, we're not going to bother with it. So looking for dad and that would be about the right age. Exactly. The same age as her parents. Yeah. That's what's crazy. Jason said, I was 33

55:32at the time. She was 19, I believe. She kept me energized. You're not 73. She kept me, boy, I was just spending my nights sitting in the recliner, sitting on the rocking chair, just a whittling, you know, just waiting to die. And she came in and boy, I felt so much more energy now. Really lights up her room this cap. Oh boy. Thanks. Thanks. And all man get that, that youthful spark. Yeah, you know, the spark, you know how it feels down and down in your nether regions, you know how that comes. I don't like somebody that's dating somebody 14 years younger than them. And she's still a teenager. I don't like him saying she energized. That's right. It's great. It's shit. Yeah. That's something that something that old people say when they get a puppy. They, or they, all these puppies energized me. Yeah. When, when they join, when they join, when they bring the grandchildren, the kids give me energy or whatever the fuck it is that's not the person you're fucking. He said she kept me doing things.

56:35And I was very spur of the moment too. He said she was full of surprises. Because he didn't even know she was, that wasn't her real name. Yeah. Ezra, he said, I just knew her as Ezra. She did not like being called Monica. Doesn't like Monica. He said, Oh, Claire's a big little town. Everybody kind of knows everybody. And, you know, and everybody knew Ezra because she was the chick who had a god damn car with paint drawings all over it. That's a, that person stands out. You know what I mean? So it's a white or silver or something. But yeah, it's got like a bird riding a bicycle. It's like a rave in her a crow. Jason said she was wild. She'd always be like trying to break into a band in buildings and take photos, which is half of YouTube now is that wild? It's not really that wild in 2000. That's what like when we were doing that in the 90s, it was probably more because we weren't documenting anything. We were just checking it out, looking for places to finger each other

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1:04:01He tried to get Ezra involved so they could hang out more and she could kind of get more in the group and all that kind of thing. Yeah. She gave up after one session. Yeah. You have to be real into that stuff. And honestly too, there's a certain, you have to be pretty smart to play that goddamn game. There's a lot of shit to remember and a lot of stuff. So I don't know. You've got to be dedicated to doing this because it's not fucking sorry or Uno. No, no, no, it's going to be intense. Yeah. It's a, it's like playing fucking risk or something. This is a big undertaking. It's going to take and when we go home, it's not because the game's over. It's because it's too late. We'll pick it up next time. Yeah. It's because we're all filthy and we could start to smell. We need to sleep. Yeah. We're a bunch of smelly nerds at this point. This is bad. Yeah. So then she would try to get Jason to stop going to these Dungeons and Dragons night. She would say that she was depressed and she would even threaten that she would hurt herself if she was left alone.

1:05:02I can't be left alone right now. So then he would stay home. So that's kind of how all this is going on here. Now in February, well actually we'll wait till then and talk about it here. In August August 8th, 2017, she is at a bar called the joint with Jason. It's Ezra and Jason hanging out. Now she sees Alex Woodworth. Remember we mentioned him. He's the barista who gave leftover coffee to Jason as he sat out there. Now, Alex, the barista is inside the joint hanging out. Now there's groups of people hanging out being social. He's alone by himself very focused and writing in a journal. There's writing. Okay. Okay. Which is a strategy to get checks by the way, too. You can either be real gregarious or be stoic and weird in the corner. Maybe they'll come to you.

1:06:02It's one of those things. Or sit there with a guitar that you don't know how to play. Exactly. Just look at sheet music and wait for your penis to be gobbled. Yeah. Move your fingers around. Just like if I do. But don't play it. That'll work. And then wait to finish and somebody's throw it. Yeah. That doesn't seem to be his strategy though. He seems to be really actually into this writing here. So the bar is by the coffee shop by the way. Now he's sitting alone and he's writing in the journal and she's intrigued by seeing someone writing amongst all these people. You know, not being social. This guy is Alexander Lehman Sidney Woodworth. Alex Woodworth. Born January 1st, 1994, a couple of years older than her. He is from St. Croix Falls in Polk County, Wisconsin. He's got parents named Josh and Kimberly. And he's got two brothers and a sister. Alex is the oldest of four. Okay. He attended high school and graduated in 2012. And then he went to the University of Wisconsin,

1:07:07O'Clair, which is why he's here essentially. Now in spring of 2017, he received his bachelor's degree in philosophy and biology. Oh, head-e-shit, basically. Yeah. And things that don't normally go, those are different sides of the brain working. Yeah, but it's the science and the philosophy side. Yeah, that's interesting. That ain't the cut and dry biology side. So this guy's got both sides of his brain working, which is pretty impressive. He planned to attend graduate school at the University of Oregon to get his master's degree in philosophy. That's his, what he wants. Oh, yeah. So he was working at the coffee shop. He was a tutor on campus and also taught a few philosophy classes at a local high school around there that had an honors program for it. So that's what he was into. He even started up a philosophy book reading club as well. He had a hung out with, which is cool. He wants to be a philosophy professor at the University of

1:08:09Oregon. That's his dream essentially. Oh, that's what he wants. Yeah. Hangs out a coffee places for hours, writes a lot because the manager of the coffee place too, I saw her testimony, said that even before he worked there, and even when he worked there and he wasn't on shift, he was still always at the coffee shop. He's just there all the time. Mays won't pick up a shift if you're going to be here this much. That's kind of why he got a job there. They're like, you know, so much. He could be a bar stool. Yeah, it's like exactly like good fellows. He could be a fucking stool. Guys here, another few minutes, he could be a fucking stool. What I know make a restaurant. He knows everything about the restaurant. He's always there. All right. You're good. All right. I know about the restaurant business. I know. I know. I don't order a meal. I don't know. You want me to help you? I can help you. Maybe I can help you. Maybe I can help you. I can help you. I can help you. I can help you. I can help you. I can help you. We put this hand down. I don't know. I don't know. I can help you. All right. It lays a lot of... Yeah, that's a lot of.

1:09:10That scene is so my grandfather. It's a my grandfather looked just like Paul Servino, and acted like him too. He was real calm. Yeah. Which one? My grandfather or Paul Servino? They're both dead. They're both dead. They're both dead. How about Paul? Paul is my favorite. The furt when they show him... It seems so sweet. When they show him when they're describing the whole, how the mafia works and everything good fails and there's a blow zoom on him outside with the wife, Beirani, and the sausage and peppers. It literally gives me goosebumps because it's like my grandfather's fucking sitting there eating a sausage and peppers. It's like a launch. My grandfather loves sausage and peppers. I get like a, oh my god, like this weird feeling every time I see it. Always. I love Paul too. He's so great. It's so great that they got a Paul to play Paulie and he's the most Paulie that's ever Paulie. He's so good. And he's so not Paulie in real life. That's the other

1:10:12he's such like he's an actor in a very like you know, theater type of Jewish. That's what I mean. He's not you know, Paulie Walmutz. That's different. That guy's really like that. Street sky. Yeah. So now Jason, her boyfriend, says about Alex, quote, he was the nicest guy, big nerd. He was definitely one of those deep thinkers. I've never seen and someone so obsessed and completely devoted to philosophy. He would bring it to the bar. He would bring it home. He would be researching books on Amazon in his spare time. So into it. Hmm. Yeah. I guess I mean, I'm real dumb, but how do you bring, you'd read in somebody else's philosophy on everything? Is I guess, I guess you're reading, yeah, I guess that you're trying to figure out. I had never taken any philosophy. I got a GD, but no one would have taught me that. But the I guess your philosophy is the last thing I want to read. No, absolutely, but I guess that's opening your mind to different thoughts of your own philosophies that you could have. If other

1:11:15people have stuff that's not, you know, that might be a different thought, I guess. His grandfather said he was just a normal kid and he was active in the church with us. There is another relative said he loved the unlovely. He loved bugs and he loved spiders. His thing was to find stuff that people didn't care for and make sure they were taken care of. Oh, he's a weird kid from American beauty with the bag. Not, yeah. Not like that though, not creepy. That kid was creepy. Yeah, he was creepy. This one's not creepy. He just kind of sticks to himself. He's real into what he's doing. And if you want to find out, he'll tell you all about it. That's all. But he loved that. He loved the patio. I'll back that Madison. Peter. Forget about it. He would have loved that. The bugs and spiders out there. Mother fucker. Biggest fucking spiders we've ever seen in our lives. We're in Madison, Wisconsin. Has some bugs under that. Oh my God. Dude, that awning. Under the awning. I was, they were

1:12:17this big. They were huge. That people just walked in. They're just wet. Everywhere. We're like, this is fine with everybody. Okay. Nobody's got a broom. Keeping the mods away. I don't know. That's all I can do. So, yeah, he likes that kind of shit here. And Jason said she, meaning Ezra, was going through emotional things. You know, she was, he was a really good friend, meaning Alex. I kind of pushed them together at one time because I knew they both had similar viewpoints. He had some things in his life that I figured she could help him with. And I thought that he could help her with some things in her life. That's great. Guys, by the way, if you have a girlfriend, this is a bad strategy. So try to push her together with another dude who she might have more in common with. There's probably a bad strategy for keeping her. It's closer to her age. Yeah, that's the other thing. Closer to her age, closer to her interests. Hey, I think you'd loved, I think you'd love

1:13:18this man's penis. I really do. It's wonderful. It's exactly what you look for in a penis. I think you'd love it. Yeah, you two might relate so hard. You fuck. And if that happens, good for you. We're bad for me. What a bad. Very bad for me. Now, back to this day when he meets, when they're talking about, you know, she, she said, what are you writing? Basically, he's, he's in there writing in a book. She's intrigued and she says, what's going on here? So they talk about her as writing. She says, I was curious as to how he could focus alone on this topic. I approached him and I said, are you right? What are you writing about? You know, just tell me about it. And, you know, that's sort of shit, basically. What, what do you got going on here? Now, in his book, he has a journal of like, weird, shitty rights philosophy, this type of thing. He has a, it's interesting. I'm going to, I'm going to, I can read it to you if you like. Oh, boy. Oh, you got this philosophy. I got what she was

1:14:19reading that day. Okay. Okay. This is what she read August 8th, 2017. So it's what he was writing at that time. Quote, primal man's experiences of encounter were scarcely a matter of tame delight. But even violence against a being one really confronts is better than ghostly solitude for faceless digits. I and thou page 75 is what that says. That's definitely words. That's a quote. There's quotes around that. So I think that's a quote from I and thou I would assume the book. Okay. And then he goes on to his own writing. Wow. I'm oddly preoccupied with the concept of cannibalism. Oh, really? Oh, my, not quite with actual cannibalism as practiced, but rather with the indwelling metaphors our understanding actually works with. Cannibalism deals primarily with our own awareness of being flesh. That another human

1:15:25could literally eat me raises odd anxieties over what I actually am to another. I can be rendered mere meat reduced to a body in the most vicious way. Beyond anxiety, the phenomenon reaches an utter truth, an uncanny awareness that cannibalism is not merely eating a corpse deprived of its humanness, but is precisely consumption of a human by a human cannibalism reaches a root as old as birth. My flesh is my humanity for both are what is at stake in it. What made me being is precisely what lets me lose myself so viscerally. Okay. That's what he says. Okay. So maybe philosophy's not good. Well, the act of cannibalism, he boils it down to what am I really? That's a moving further into figuration. Cannibalism reduces me into my being another's meal,

1:16:27literally, in vivid imagery, but essentially you get what I'm saying here. So then talk about vampires versus cannibals. A vampire is perhaps less invasive, just the blood, not the flesh. There's a lot of, but this is all philosophical stuff. I mean, philosophy is essentially like mental masturbation. You know what I mean? And I don't mean that in a sulting way, but it's none of this shit matters. It's just a lot of thinking of it's questions and then you fill them in with what you already know, minus whatever you're going to go research. It's not a science. It's not figuring out how to make an engine run more, you know, efficiently. It's a creative thing and it's part art and part this. So it's an interesting thing. So she says that, yeah, she was interested in this. And she says cannibalisms mentioned in the SSA a few times and it goes on to deal with the concepts of metaphorical cannibalism and the

1:17:29concept of cannibalism itself as what cannibalism renders you as, and the anxieties and fears of being a meal in its sense is it. So that's that's what she determines or yeah, interprets what it is. Metaphorically cannibalized somebody. I guess just render them useless. You take from them what you need. I guess. I think she was saying the metaphorical meaning, I don't think what the metaphorical part of cannibalism is, but she was talking about cannibalism, possibly metaphorically using it for something else. I'm thinking possibly using cannibalism as a metaphor for something we don't know. Also, she says the concept of cannibalism itself as what cannibalism renders you as in the anxiety and fears of being a meal in a sense. So it's I think it's she doesn't I don't think she knows whether it's a metaphorical cannibalism or actual like what would it be like to be eaten. Yeah. Yeah. So

1:18:33so she says philosophical in nature as opposed to literal literal in nature. She thought it was quite a peculiar subject cannibalism and quote, I was interested in what he meant. What I understood he was speaking of it philosophically and I also wanted his ideas and his concepts of literally cannibalism. Like this is philosophically, but for real for real. Yeah. What would you put on a person's thymine? Right. Let's go to the powder. We do. What are we doing? We get into. Yeah. So she said so we talked back and forth for a few about artists that have taken part in cannibalism. What? There's been artists that have done this before. Really? Yes. Have you ever seen there was a character that Sasha Baron Cohen did? I think it's the one of his newer shows where he pretends to be one of his characters is a prison artist. A guy who just got out of prison for murder and he's an artist, but he makes his art. Now he's a chef, but he makes his food out of like

1:19:39crazy things like his own shit isn't one meal and like his own seamen is in something. And it's just to see how pretentious this guy he's serving is. If you give him a pretentious enough story, well, he even knowing there's seamen and feces in it will eat it anyway. And of course he did. So the last thing he gives him is a fucking condom that you cut open and inside is the meat. Yes, is the meat of a Chinese dissident. Okay. And he says, you know, he's been purchased and his family is okay with it. It helps them and all this stuff. So this is a humane way to actually let him live on. And not that actually I've seen this. Yes, helps him live on. The guy's like, I totally get it and takes it. It's amazing. It's it. Yes, people are pretentious and they will eat people if it makes them feel like they're going to be a boss. That's very funny.

1:20:41Shit. I got to say that was amazing when he's doing that people are. And his artwork is that guy too when he's the prison artist when he gets that art critic lady to give him a bunch of pubes that he can put on a brush. She's like thrilled to do it to join the the pub brush with all the other artists pubes. Okay, we got to stop talking about this. Okay. I love him. I just so buddy. God damn love him. So they talk about artists that have taken part in cannibalism. And he mentioned we spoke about his anxieties of what it means for someone to consume another. And what he did say at that time when we were deep in this discussion, he was we talked about he mostly talked about the philosophical sense. And he also mentioned the fact that often individuals partook in cannibalism because it was in essence a consumption of one's power to take in another's flesh to do that. Which I think that sounds like a almost like a primitive thing. Like a 10,000 years ago

1:21:43in a jungle somewhere on an island somewhere. That was probably how you took somebody's I don't know. I mean, it didn't you don't have to go back that far. Dommer literally said he ate them to keep them with him forever. Absolutely. I met just like a suicidal thing like we all under like 10,000 years ago, we might have all understood that. Well, yeah, I felt it to be real. Yeah. Well, yeah, you're taking his essence. Obviously. Yeah, that's what you do. But like, you know, by 1993, we were like, that's not how you do that. No, because I've eaten so many stakes and not once have I felt the essence of a cow. I've never I've never moved out of nowhere. I've never chewed cut. Never. Doesn't seem like a bad thing, but all right. I did throw up, but I did not chew it. No, I didn't chew it. Now Jason pulls as we're aside with this deep conversation they're having here about all this and tells him he's a little uncomfortable with him being her being so involved and grossed in this conversation with this guy about cannibalism. Even though he said I

1:22:43brought them together and sought they should hang out more. It's very strange. I hate that you're doing the relating that I said you should do. You should exactly. She also said at one point that she didn't feel she didn't feel like Jason respected her humanity and independence. And she told Jason that. So Jason backed off and said, oh, my bad. I mean, yeah, he said, you know, I guess you guys want to be friends with him, be friends with him, I guess. I don't know. It didn't mean to come at you essentially. Yeah. And this is what she said. She said, Jason pulled me aside and he kind of interrupted our conversation. And she said, well, I felt that my conversation was cut short and I had plenty more to talk about. So then we all went out for a smoke and we started talking, meaning her and Alex, we started talking about our love for spiders because we both noticed a spider in the window sill or the spider in a spider web because it's Wisconsin and every building's covered in spiders. It's the biggest fucking spider you've ever seen. That was ridiculous.

1:23:46Ridiculous. Yeah. So this conversation was a while. They said their conversation was about an hour at that point, whatever. So there are friends and they're going on. That's August and they're talking back and forth. Now at the same time in October, she said she was throwing up for a couple weeks and decided to go take a pregnancy test and take it. So she went and bought one from the test, from the gas station and she said it was positive. So she told Jason about it and she said he seemed anxious and he wanted to go, he wanted to go to the get the test confirmed with the doctors. And it was really hard to read what he was thinking at the time. So she went to the doctors and found out she was pregnant and she said that she decided ultimately to terminate the pregnancy. She said I wasn't sure what to do at the time I was scared and so young and so confused.

1:24:47So they said how did she said she fell afterwards though. She felt very empty and felt very like she needed someone to be there for her. And she said that her and Jason has made them drift apart more than bring them together. Really? Yeah. Daddy has a roommate. Maybe you made the right decision. That's yeah, I have a roommate and you live in your car. Right. So but yeah, I mean whatever it is, I mean, I don't know. Also too, if you go from hormones and they're not having the hormones, it's a big hormonal change and all that kind of thing too. And we're not going to pretend we know what it's like to be 19 with the 18 and be pregnant. I have no idea. So she said that she told Jason that she didn't really want him in the bedroom right after that. She said I fell overwhelmingly ashamed and it caused a lot of distance between us and he began sleeping on the couch. And he rejected physical intimacy, even rejected holding my hand at times. So that's what she said. So this

1:25:52caused a real weird big strain, big strain thing. And also this was on her birthday that she had the procedure done to on her 20th birthday. Oh boy. Now Jason told her that he was still super in love with her, but just kind of felt shut down inside and they became less intimate and he started sleeping on the couch. So now by November, he and his friend went hiking in the red woods for, I don't know, like a week or so. And she used the time he's gone to get closer to Alex. Okay. And they began fucking of course, because why not? So the relationship becomes sexual. Alex is totally into her. He wrote about his feelings of longing and frustration. Everything else is always doing that. And so she kind of also said she might leave Jason for good. As we're saying that maybe you know me and you can be together. But then Jason would come back from his trip and then

1:26:57she'd be with Jason and not be with Alex for a while. So it's kind of she always needs to have somebody that she needs affection every day all day. Yeah. If someone's gone for the day, well, someone's got to fill in for that affection. She needs somebody to be with. She said that Jason was quote, micromanaging me and we had just started to grow apart as a couple. And she said that he never hit me, but he would be very erratic with his gestures. And sometimes he would throw things or break things. And that just made me uneasy. Which makes sense. So she frustratedly throws things because he's not in touch with his feelings enough to handle frustration. All that frustration he should have had to begin with because he's 33 rides a bike and has a roommate. So all he should be have that level of frustration to begin with that he should be dealing with. Anyway, I would channel that anger and frustration into finding a way out of being dependent upon another adult to keep life going. Totally. Well, then he's also though, I mean,

1:28:03he's in a he's in a fucking weird situation too with this. He's also in a relationship with a person that's so much younger than him that he's been he's perpetuating this this cycle of being codependent. Yeah. He's got another person that's codependent. He's obviously got some issues of his own. There's some issues. This is terrible. And we don't know where he came from with his background. We have no idea what kind of his thing too. So she says though that at times he would criticize my makeup. He would say I look like a clown or he would criticize my weight even though at the time I was very small. And so yeah, he could just pick on anything. So she said, did you know, she talks about Jason and she said that he reminded me of my father the one who adopted her, which is why she's with him to begin with because he went away. So

1:29:04now the Alex thing gets a little bit more that she said that we know we talk more at the coffee shop and they go on long walks with each other and you know, they get close and she said that they would close up the restaurant coffee shop and you know, do well. They'd be the last patrons there and she'd be the last patron there and they'd talk about life itself and they'd talk about nature and how I viewed things. And then Alex will talk about how he would view things and his philosophies and his ramblings. And he would say, you know, oftentimes he'd say I was the yin to his gang because a lot of his philosophies countered mine because mine are very in the sunlight and sunshine. And his are very much a rainy day in the shadows in the shadows. Oh, look at a staring. Yeah. And when you look at Alex, that's not when he comes to he's not one of those duchess too. No, no, he just looks like a totally normal guy. He's not like, no, my kid will call romance or anything. Yeah, I know exactly. We're picturing the same part. We're picturing when owner rider,

1:30:08beetle juice male version, it's not him. That's not whom at all. He's looks like a normal college kid. He just looks normal. Pete, whatever the fuck his name is. Yeah, yeah, dolly or something. Yeah. Oh, the the the 80s professional WWF jobber Pete Dorety, the Duke of Doorchester, you mean? He's getting that's his first time he's ever been mentioned on Netflix. I bet. I don't know history. I don't know. I don't know if Pete's still alive, but if he is, you're welcome. He should be very happy with that. You knew exactly what the fucking mid 80s job work for the WWF. So, uh, so anyway, there's a sexual relationship, whether it's a rainy or sunny fucking philosophy. What else? Either way, yeah. It's a dick and philosophy. So, um, there's a lot and Alex is journals, by the way. He writes on a lot of topics such as internal pain and loneliness, um, self sacrifice, violence, cannibalism. Um, one person says that

1:31:13Woodworth looks as an individual that comes back from the dead and cannibalism can, specifically consuming an individual so that the person they loved would never leave them. Dommers, philosophy there. Um, very Wisconsin. Very was. Yeah. This is what is going on in Wisconsin? How many people are having these thoughts? Although, Dommar was like, how do I make a zombie? Whereas this guy's just in philosophy. This is not what he's actually doing. Um, so now Jason finds out about the relationship with Alex as far as the physical end of it here and confronted Ezra and her response was, um, that Alex had taken advantage of her. Uh oh. Okay. Scourge responsibility, huh? Said he took advantage of me. Now that they've been going, this has been going on for they've had sex more than once. You know what I mean? This is so Jason said, so I went to Alex. He said, and he said, I confronted him about all this stuff like, you're my friend. You know,

1:32:16I love you. How could you do this to me? Right. And um, later on, there's a prosecutor that said, I think Jason has a very big heart, but I also think his big heart, you know, led him to be very manipulated. He's easily manipulated here. Um, so by February of 2018, Ezra is living with Jason and his roommate, a different guy named Alex. Perfect. Of course, Alex zinc this guy. Um, so he's living with them. She worked at Joanne's fabrics for a minute. Oh, this is Alex is a female. This, no, no, no, I'm talking about Ezra work at Joanne's fabrics. Oh, is that right? The other Alex is Alex zinc and it's a man. Jason's roommate. Okay. She worked at Joanne's fabrics. Um, Jason said that every time she would give, she would give him money for like bills and shit, though she'd need some of it back because she didn't have enough money. Um, then when he was out of town for army shit, she'd go fuck Alex Woodworth, um, or other people as we'll find out about too. Okay.

1:33:25So Ezra and Jason's roommate Alex are always fighting by the way. Yeah. Because if you move into a place with a person and then they move their boyfriend girlfriend in, you're pissed. Because now they're taking up the living room all the time and you gotta go sit in a fucking room like you're their child. Like that's crazy. Now your egg pan is in the sink. And it stinks. And it stinks. And now she's making shit that you don't want. And what's this in here? Who's is that? It turns into a mess. You have more stuff in it. Fuck no. No good for you. Fuck no. I had an egg pan left in my sink. I poured the water out and went and put it on his fucking bed. We don't just leave this shit. You wanted to stink somewhere. Let it stink in your fucking room. Don't let it stink up my fucking house. My first own place was with a woman. So yeah, not a roommate. Yeah, yeah. I bought a house when I was young, too young to own a house. I don't know what the fuck I was doing. And I'd let two fucking idiots move in. Of course. One of them still owes me a lot of

1:34:28money. But the other one just left fucking. It's been 25 years. Yeah. Oh, I'll never fucking forget it. If I see him, I'm taking that money out of his fucking mouth. This was pre 9 11 everybody. Yeah. I'm never going to. He's like, you're going to pay me that money because I'm going on vacation to New York to go up to the top of the twin towers. God damn it. This is my dream. I want that panoramic photo. That's right. Christ. So anyway, Jason noticed that basically, this is all going on. Jason is away for a while. And Alex, the roommate basically said, well, while he's gone, either help out around the house or fuck off. Like get out of here. Yeah. So she moved out and broke up with Jason via text message. Your roommate told me to do things. He evidently has not heard what I did to my mother.

1:35:34Yeah, exactly. I lived in a fucking car because somebody asked me to know. I will not help out at all. So he started distancing himself a little bit here. Basically, because his friends had said, when you're not around, Ezra's like, out all night, she's always with that Alex Woodworth. They look like a couple when they're hanging out together and all this sort of shit. So he's still in love with her though. And basically still sees her sometime because she still lives at home. So when she doesn't want to be at home and doesn't have anywhere to go, she'll still go over there and hang out and bang Jason. So he would get a hotel for them and they'd start, you know, whatever. So one night here, this is interesting. Okay. There's a friend of his was one of his best friends basically here. Now he had some, he thought that maybe his friends were being a little too hard on Ezra saying that she's out all the time.

1:36:34So he decides, this is never a good idea. When she's in the shower, he's going to check her phone. Okay. It's already over. That's it. It's already done. If you have any inkling to look in that phone, just break up. Break up. If you're a reason to look, you don't need to just, you don't need to, you don't need to, that means there's problems either with you or them. Right. If you don't validate what you already suspect, if you already suspect it, then the trust is over. And either they're actually doing it. So they shouldn't be in a relationship or they're not and you shouldn't be in a relationship because you're spying on people. So either way, it's over. Yeah. So he looks, he's, he's trying to find to see if she's still looking up with Alex. That's the point here. Okay. Instead, he learns she's actually looking up with somebody completely different than Alex also. His best friend, John Hansen. How do you feel now? Yeah. They've been, they've been fucking around for like a month

1:37:35now. And now you know that. I know all about it. So he took pictures of the phone screen in case she tried to erase the text later. So he took his phone out. Quick, quick, quick, and got all pictures all this shit. Here's one of the transcript, transcriptions here. This is February 11, 2018. We kind of jump into the middle of a conversation. John says nice. And Ezra says it's stressful looking for places. So that would be nice to relive working out again does really make you want to fuck everything that's moved might also be a predator. Okay. That's what Ezra says. She loves to fuck. Oh yeah. And John says a body in motion wants to stay in motion. Ezra says, quote, are you going to pound this anytime soon? Are you going to pound this anytime soon?

1:38:37Unless he's holding her fist out, that is a very specific thing. That is wild. Couldn't be more obvious. What's going on? Are you going to pound this anytime? What I got a pussy that's growing cobwebs over here. Get over here and bang the bj's is that of me, please? An unbounded pussy gathers moss. A gathers moss. Exactly. So she says that. Then she says, sorry, I'm rude, John. Not this week. I have Warren. It's all right to be blunt. Just got to be all right with coming back your way. I don't know what that means. So Ezra then said, just let me know when I can get my next in and out and spells it like the burger place and then puts a smiley face on it. Who used that phrase by next in and out before the, you know, I mean, who's not 40 and I'm 19 year old 50 for sure. I would think say we're going to get our, what do you want?

1:39:38Some in and out tonight. I have sweetheart. I'm going to get a little in and out. So yeah, with a winky face and then says it would also be nice to hang out and do art again. You are more than just a good friend. Well, yeah, obviously he's taking your town town. Yeah, clearly. So she said, oh, that could be night. I don't know what, I guess he says something else, but I don't know what this is. And she says maybe that should all that should be nice. He's such a cool kid. Oh, because he said, I'm with, I'm going to be with Warren. That's right. That's his son. That's this John's son. Okay, that's what this is. John says, why thank you. He is a good kid. I'm looking forward to spending some dad time with him. So as you're going back and forth talking about children and pound town. That's three text messages. That's great. Take it a pound town. Your kid's adorable, by the way. You know, pound this pussy. Good. Your kid's adorable.

1:40:40She said that melts my heart. I'd love to paint with him some time. Yeah. Then the next day, she says, feeling like a snake today, what's wriggling in your mind? And she said, I've just been with Warren all day. My mind is pretty preoccupied. I'm busy. I'm with a child. No time for your pussy right now. I see your horny text and I raise you away to dry that thing right now. Not interested. So she says that's understandable dad time and stops texting him because she took the hint. In other words, don't have time for you, bitch. She ain't that important to me. I'm with the son. That's wriggling. She tries to throw a penis reference in. Yeah. Fuck yeah. So she says, this is the now February 14th Valentine's Day. See something say nothing and drink to forget. Happy Valentine's. That's her like her phrase. And it should be on a greeting card. That's very lovely. It's nice. John says that's beautiful. Ezra, happy Valentine's Day. And she

1:41:43says, I have a way with words. John, ha, ha, okay. So if you just read this, they're fucking obviously. Pounds sure. You're gonna pound this in and out. Yeah. So Jason, she comes out of the shower and he's like, what the fuck is this? Screenshots and shit. What the fuck? Her'd you like an animal style, bitch? So she said, no, no, no, you're misunderstanding. This isn't actually what it seems like. Uh huh. Because I ask you, when are you going to come pound this all the time? Right. What is that? I'm like, you're flying in Tuesday, right? Because you got to pound this. Like I say that all the time to you. What are you? What did she say? Are you gonna pound this anytime soon? Yeah. Any time you get a pound this anytime soon or what? What the fuck? Which sounds like impatient too. Um, so she says, no, no, no, I'm not pursuing an affair. It's actually, he sexually assaulted me. She says, oh, that's what she says. She said on February 4th,

1:42:46this is a week to 10 days before all these text messages, by the way, she was hanging out with John and his roommate. They encouraged her to drink too much and she ended up throwing up. So that's not even her drinking isn't her fault. She encouraged her to drink too much. John took her upstairs to his bedroom. She said the last thing she remembers before blacking out was someone removing her tits. And the next morning, she said she felt strange. And so this John dude took her home to the Jason's place and then apparently raped her again in Jason's bed now too. Oh my God. That's what she says. So Jason is very direct. He went right to Alex. He went right to Ezra. He goes right. He goes right to John and says, did you fuck my girlfriend? Or what? Yeah. What's going on? John said, no, he gave me a fucking girlfriend. Sonny says, let me send you something. Sends in the text and he goes, I mean, I fucked your girlfriend a few times. Yeah, sure. You know, is he had to read him and go, oh, I don't know how to

1:43:49spin. Are you going to pound this anytime soon? I don't know how to spin that. I mean, that's a little in and out. Ah, yeah, we don't have those here. This isn't good. Closer than we got this culverts. Sorry about this. Can you give me a little culverse? That means cover me in butter and jerk off on me. That's what that means. Yeah, I mean, stop. You're definitely your cheese balls in my mouth. Totally different, totally different. Oh, man, then drip jazz on me like hot butter. Yeah, drip your curd all over me. So he's like, we've been together consensually multiple times. Oh, God, damn it. What are you talking about, dude? So now Jason is like, I don't know. Now he doesn't know who to believe. What? I don't know. He's like, I don't know who to believe. He goes, I got my girlfriend who's saying this guy assaulted me twice and then I got this guy going, I didn't assault shit. She came onto me. So and this was like a, we've done it multiple times and it's yeah, she's pretty, it seems pretty excited about it. See, in and out. She literally asked me to pound it soon.

1:44:53You're gonna, when's the night? You're gonna pound it anytime soon. What's up? Jason is, James, I think there's something wrong. It sounds like it. He's 33. How does he not get it? He's honestly, he's just being rather than sitting stew in your fantasies and in your like accusations and I bet she did this. I bet he did. He just goes right to the people and goes, what happened? Did you do this to me, dude? Yeah. Which most people don't do. That's kind of refreshing honestly. My point is they're, they're, it's right in his face. Yeah. And he can't see it. What's going on? I think he would like either his best friend or his girlfriend, one of them to be honest with him. I think he would like, that's the other thing. I agree. Yeah. Even when he went to Alex, he doesn't want to destroy the relationship with these guys as friends. He still wants to be friends with them, which is really strange. Because he's like, listen, I love you. Why'd you do this? Not, I'll kill you. You little fucking jerk off. You want to learn about cannibalism? I'll

1:45:57fucking show you. 33 year old, very naive man because he's not getting, he sees it. It's in black and white. Yeah. He goes and asks the guy and the guy says, yes, I'm very sorry or wow, ever he said it. I'm sure he said sorry, right? But then he's got a girlfriend saying it was right. Yeah. But it's so obvious. You want to be the guy that says, Discrel says, I got raped and you go fuck you, you're a skank. Maybe he's trying to be a decent guy because there's also, this isn't it. This isn't 1985. This is 2018. Right. So, you know what I mean? I mean, you hear me too and me too. And she's, he's like, I don't want to be me too. You know, I'm a rascal that doesn't believe. Yeah. So this is, like I said, this was the 80s. It'd be a different thing. He'd just be like, Oh, she's a skank and fuck Cam and I'll kill them both. But by 2018, things are different. And I think Jason doesn't want to believe it. That's the reality of the situation. That's yes. That's what I mean. There's something wrong. He doesn't want to any refuses, which means

1:46:59he's a normal human. He's just a normal human being. We're just a very sweet naive man. But he doesn't just hide his head in the sand. He goes to the people and I ask, what's up? And expects them to be honest with him. He's a very simple guy. It seems like. But Jason said he talked and he asked other people for advice. What should I do? Oh, come to me, Jason. Who do I believe? Well, I think this is a great answer. His friend said, well, if Ezra was raped, she should be going to the police. Shouldn't she? Right. You should encourage her to go to the police if she was right. Because that's what are we talking about? The answer. Yeah. The answer. Exactly. That's why that person's a better friend than me and you would be. Yeah. So that's for now. She's fucked because she's like, oh, I don't really want to go to the police, but I also want Jason to believe me. Yeah. What do I do here? I still want to get some out. I still want to get some pound town. So what's up with that? So Jason wouldn't drop it. And he said you have to do it. Oh,

1:47:59no. What do I do? So she agreed to go meet with the police. She had nothing better to do. Oh, boy. So she goes to the police. It's on March 1, 2018. There's a detective Ryan Prock who investigates these allegations. And she said, quote, he kept telling me to be quiet. Like, she kept shushing me. And the detective said about the center of view, quote, she's sitting leaning against the wall with her knees up, telling me the story of what took place. And she says, I started getting really, really, really tipsy. And so she says that she was sexually assaulted at that point when she blacked out. And she said it was really scary. So he said, okay. And later on, they asked the detective, you believe she was a victim, right? And he said, well, yeah, she came in and told me about this horrible story of what happened. But then he, part of this was looking at her phone to see any communication between the two of them

1:49:04and that she had to give it to him. So she saw the cops saw all the text messages and was like, what, I don't know this anytime soon. That sounds pretty suggestive. More in and out. Like, what are we talking about? They also interviewed Alex Woodworth because he was in the text streams a lot too. And they asked him about it. And he said, I don't think that's what happened, what she said happened. I don't think she got raped because she didn't tell me she got raped. That's weird. And not only did she not say she got raped, this detective said, quote, he said, meaning Alex said that as we're told him it was consensual. She just regretted it. Oh, yeah. So the cop was like, you're telling people that you did it inconsentially and you regret it. And you're also saying, when are you going to pound this? I don't think anything happened to you. You regret it, but you're trying to get it done again. It's crazy. So I mean later, he said that he couldn't get any text records from Ezra because she deleted them all. But

1:50:07John Hansen had all their text messages. And that's how they got them. These texts showed that Ezra was really into this affair. I'm talking, they, wow, they talked about how they tried BDSM stuff. They're sending explicit wild crazy photos back and forth to each other. This is a full-blown thing here. Like, it's crazy. They interviewed her friends and they said that, you know, she, I guess, he told his friends that she had spoken to about this and that they, you know, won't back up her story and all this type of thing. He interviewed the friends. They all said that she seemed real happy when she talked about this. John Hansen. And she was excited about the relationship and she was into him and all this shit. And it's real weird. And then Alex, of course, said that she told me it was consensual. When you talk about, that's not first date things. Do you know what I mean?

1:51:07No, that's you get to pound town and some in and out. There has been a whole night before you go, you know what else I like? That's animal style. You know what I'm saying? Like, you have, there's been, you know, the secret menu. Yeah. Here's been plenty of fun. You know, there's chicken on this menu. It's not just cheeseburgers around here. You don't get all that your first time at in and out. Right. Right. You know, you try the burgers first. All the other way over. Most times you don't even see the religious shit on the bottom of the column. Oh, I do. I saw it real fast. Haven't been back since. Fuck you in and out. Hate that fucking place. And their burgers are highly overrated and their fries are terrible. Sorry. Their burgers are fine, but they're not, oh my god, I gotta have that burger. They're just a normal fine burger. It's not half of a line worthy. That's for sure. It's not weight more than two people worthy. No. The, uh, I guess they said this is a prosecutor later on said this relationship wasn't even a love triangle. It was a love square. And those relationships

1:52:11began and stopped with Ezra. She had now it's three dudes in her. Yeah. Just has sides, extra sides because there's only one woman in this shape. Yeah. Yeah. This is a lopsided squares with this is. Yeah. So which doesn't exist at that point square square. That's the point. So this sexual assault case is ultimately dropped mainly because of what everybody said and all the, all the text messages and all that kind of shit. Um, so Jason, her boyfriend said her world was crumbling around her. She had created Ezra. She had created this intricate network of lies and they kept falling apart. And there was nothing left. There was nothing left behind. So Ezra then moves out of, uh, uh, uh, Claire and back home with her family. But Jason says she's trying to get with her. The whole, trying to get back with him the whole time. Okay. He said, quote, she wove these tales about these manipulative, vindictive men who quote, tried to take me away from

1:53:14you, Jason. It's not me. It's them, she would say, oh, those guys, they're all just plotting to get her away. She's such a hot commodity. Alex and John, they're just, she can't help it. I mean, she's overwhelmed. So Jason, by the way, started, you know, looking around, being like, Jesus, this is, this is why it's common denominator. Yeah. Yeah. Um, as Ezra didn't accuse Alex of assault when they were together anyway. So that's good. Um, but she, he actually found out about the Alex stuff after he found out about the John stuff, but didn't believe that, you know, Alex would do anything. So Jason said, I spent eight months constantly being toyed with. It was like, I can't trust you anymore. You think they're little white lies, but they can build up and build up and build up. And before you know it, if there's horrifying things happening. Um, and she was pissed off that he wouldn't take her back too. Um, later on, the prosecutor said, this is someone who's deeply troubled,

1:54:19someone whose life is at a control and she's desperately trying to get back some control. And that is Jason is her base. It's her emotional base. She lives there. She goes there when she needs time away from her family. He's her like sponge for all her shit. So she needs him as a base to work off of. You know what I mean? I remember in the beginning of a Bob Ross painting, he'd paint, he'd do a, like a primer thing where he paint the whole thing. Get the whole base laid down. That's what that's what he is to her. And then but then she'll draw a happy little trees that are fucking happy little rocks and, you know, sticking it in there. You're a son somehow that had a nothing fucking the top of a mountain taking it to town town. Yeah. So, um, Ezra, because of this, then confronts Alex and says that she doesn't want to see him again. Okay. Some done with you. Um, I can't be with you. I still want to be in with Jason and all that. But she would still come

1:55:22into the coffee shop where he worked all the time. Metaphorical. Yeah. And in the meantime, she's all over Jason won't leave him alone with calls and texts and he'll go out. She'll show up. Like, for a vampire. Exactly. If she's a vampire, she would like give him journal entries that she wrote and about her regrets for hurting him. Just pages, stacks of pages saying, read that. And it's all her shit with tears. Tears running her inkin shit. It's crazy. She said she was working on herself. And she wanted to reclaim her real self. And, uh, she said in one of her journals, she said that that Alex is just in her past. She said, I never gave their number a name in my contacts. I looked at them and did not see beauty. I saw a red nose too big for a face. Their eyes looked dead. A brow jutted out from a large round forehead. Their smile made me cringe. Pores and veins stood out on

1:56:27their pale thin skin. It all felt like bugs crawling under my skin. So then you fucked them. Yeah, but it's just because I need pound town once in a while, but that's fine. I don't love them. I love you, Jason. That's it. So Jason began taking calls. Yeah. Started seeing her again because he's fucking weak, obviously. And he probably, and also he might need a ride. Let's be realistic. She does have a car. He might have just needed a ride one day somewhere a little far when it was cold out. This is February. I mean, it's not good bike riding weather. Yeah, but there is this thing too about, and who knows if he's even there, but as you age, you get to a certain age and you go, I'm out of 20 year old pussy. I'm never doing that again. That's not for me. God. And nope. I'm not doing it, but absolutely not at 33. You're probably looking at at the

1:57:27clock going, it's probably soon. Ticking at 33. I was, I mean, I was married, but if I wasn't, I wasn't looking for 19 year olds at all. No, 20 year old. No, not happening. No, I look at now and aren't we're in our 40s. Like I look at a 20 year old girl as like a like one of my daughters friends or something like someone to be protected from like someone who's trying to fuck them. You know what I mean? I get very bad. Like I'm not. I can't see them as sexual beings because I'm very like, oh, don't leave her alone. Yeah, but thanks to the advent of the internet, there are a lot of girls out there that are that age that are they getting a fight with their friend and they go try to fuck their dad. No, it's crazy now. That's, it's, it's wild out there. Well, at least that's what porn hub tells us. Yeah. I don't know. We don't know if the backstory is true, but that's what they're telling us on there. I don't know. That's what they're saying on Twitter. I don't know if they really do it, but I've read it. So March of 2018, Alex is still working

1:58:31at the coffee shop. And you know, they heard him and Ezra broken up now and she's all about Jason. March 21st, 2018. Well, it's the day before our farmer encountered a bloody young lady here. Jason and Ezra exchanged 600 texts in a day. Oh, Foss. 600 texts in one philosophy. My God. That's too many. Imagine you had to have it on silent or else you'd throw out the window if it kept beeping. Just call for Christ's sake. Yeah. That's, but most of them apparently according to Jason were Ezra basically trying to talk him into getting back together. Yeah. But he had a hard time because he's like, you fuck my friends. You don't even fuck strangers. You fuck my friends. My best friend. This, what are you doing, dude? But she said, no, you know, both those guys were terrible and John raped me and Alex was manipulated me and made me do weird sexual things. I didn't want to do

1:59:36when all this type of shit. This makes it much better. This isn't helping. Finally, she said that she was going to go to O'Claire the next day and confront Alex. She said that she was going to get closure and all this type of shit. And he said, why are you going to, you don't need to go see him? You just talk, you just said he's a manipulative guy who's been abusing you and now you're going to go see him. Right. He said, fucking email him or write him a letter or do something like that. Just anything, but don't do that shit. But she said, no, that's what I'm doing. That's it. Yeah. She said, no, that's it. So Jason at that point said, okay, fine. At the end of it, he said that he's done with her. He didn't want to hear from her unless I don't call, he said basically, don't call me. I'll call you. Yeah. I don't want to hear from you unless I contact you. I'm not listening to you shit anymore. Good answer. Good answer because she's going to go talk to Alex and that obviously means you don't care about my feelings of fuck off, you know, whatever. And who's to say that goes really well when you guys

2:00:40fuck like who the fuck knows how that's going to go. So March 22nd, 2018, Jason sees Ezra at the coffee shot. Yeah. Now they had broken up and all of that kind of thing. And also he was aware she had expired tags on her car. Right. And that basically everyone like her parents told her until you get don't don't drive around so you get your tags figured out, you know what I mean. So anyway, she showed up this day and everybody said she was disheveled. She didn't have makeup on. She looked like she just woke up, which is very rare for her and not normal. You can see her in the security footage that day from the coffee shop. She appears agitated. Okay. She leaves the coffee shop racies to go to Alex's house that this is when this all happened. She said I'm going to go talk to him and he said, for what the fuck are you doing that for? So Jason says quote, I was like, this is not right. Something is wrong. Why is she at his house alone? What's going on? I thought a million

2:01:42thoughts were all just spiraling through my head. At least she's showing up not hot. That's nice. That's yeah, she's not like in her best looking, trying to look very good point there. So he said, fuck this. I'm going over to Alex's house. So he goes out, gets on his bike, literally and goes over to Alex's house where he sees Ezra's car parked outside. Yeah. So he's like, okay, driver's side door was open and the engine's running, which tells you she's going to be out in about five seconds tops, right? So he paces outside the apartment building for a long time. She doesn't come out even though that's going on. Her door's open. Her car's running for so long that neighbors call the police. Oh, but before the police show up, Jason went knocked on the door or went into the apartment and found Ezra and Alex were in Alex's bedroom in deepened conversation.

2:02:43He said that they were oddly calm and both looked like they were wearing masks. Like they were like, what's going on? Like not like, hey, you know, Barry, either you're too much, hey, what's up, buddy? Or you're like, hey, what's going on? No, this is cool. Both of those are weird. You know what I mean? So he said that he told them that he was, why don't you guys talk in a public venue? Yeah. How about that? Because you know, she should be afraid of you since you're so manipulative and all this type of thing. So they agreed and they all left the apartment. They all walked outside right into the outstretched arms of the police who are out there to talk to Jason. Jason said, I've just been pacing outside and told them what was going on and he said nothing, you know, nothing crazy, basically. I just didn't want these two to be alone together. So yeah, that was that. So by one o'clock, Jason fucking rides pedals off on his bicycle and Alex and as we get

2:03:47into Ezra's car and drive off to go have a chat. What a scene. What a fucking scene. Now she also said, by the way, she had other things to do that day before one o'clock shouldn't just go just for this. She also ran some errands and went to and wanted to return some shit to Alex. So, you know, it's just like an errand she's running. Now that's one o'clock. By 415, she's bloody and muddy and standing at a farmer's door. 20 miles away from here. Boy carved into her with boy carved into her fucking arm. Okay, which is obviously crazy here. And remember, what was she asking for? When the cops came, hi Jason, I need Jason. Is this whole thing she's trying to get Jason back, by the way, still. Okay, so on this, she said, I'm so scared. They said that the later on here, the district attorney said that you could see on the video, she's borderline hyperventilating. She's

2:04:50someone who sounds very upset. They take her in. The word boy is in her arm. She does the interview. She said that, you know, she couldn't remember what happened. She does all of that. She said that she couldn't remember where Alex or her car was. So, I don't know where they are. She said, I remember I left Alex's place. I remember at some point Alex had switched places with me and taken over driving. And she was sure that something bad had happened, which is a very vague. She kept saying, I don't remember anything, but I feel this and I feel that. And Jason comes to the hospital to see her that night. He absolutely does. Jason thought Alex had like a toctor. And that's why she was in the hospital. He brings her a green sweater. Mark that. He brings her green sweater to keep her warm in the hospital. Because it's cold in there. So, he's back in basically is what this looks like. He came to protect her now.

2:05:54So, she, like I said, is talking to the police who think that her wounds are self-inflicted. She's admitted to the psychiatric unit now. That's where we left off. So, the next day, March 23rd in the hospital in the psychiatric unit detectives come in and talk to her. During this interview, she said to the detective that she went to Owen Park and Oh Claire with Alex Woodworth, but didn't remember anything else, including where to locate her car or where detectives could find Woodworth. She said that she remembers feeling afraid of Alex, but says that's all she can recall. She said, quote, I'm trying so hard. I'm trying to get things to come to me, but it's like it just keeps getting blocked out and blocked out. So, the detectives, they go to Alex's house, they call his phone, nothing. They can't get all of them because they like to know where that alley is, too. And maybe if he stole this, if

2:06:54did he beat this woman in steal her car? I mean, the police also touch base with Alex's family. And all of that, they said they asked if, now, by the way, this meeting occurred with the detectives because Ezra asked if they asked if she wanted to meet and they said, yes. So she had asked for this meeting. Okay. So during the interview at one point, the detective tells Ezra, you're not in trouble. And she responded, I wouldn't think I would be in trouble. So it's interesting. They said that there was later on a court would say there was obviously some concern for Ezra's well-being here. It was a calm conversational tone. The detective treated her as if she were a victim and he was trying to find out what happened. This wasn't a big accusatory thing. This was we want to help you and you don't remember anything. So, now, Alex's family, his grandfather said we got calls that Alex was missing. And they, another family member said,

2:07:56I thought it was maybe like an accident or something. And they said, we thought maybe we could help find him. Why was he missing? So the family was like, wait, what was missing? What are you talking about? Yeah. So March 23rd, after they talked to her in the hospital, they go out to the farm where she popped up to see if they can figure anything out here. And the detective says, as we're driving down the road, we can see the muddy road right here and we stop. At that point, we're able to see footprints in the mud coming from the top of the hill down the road and then we lose them right in this area. Perfect. Footprints in the mud, which I think that's a, what Kenny Rogers and Deli Parton had a duet over, right? Isn't that footprints in the mud? Was it? That was islands in the sun, but nevermind. That was islands in the stream. Stream, what I say, sun? Okay, nevermind. That came out completely wrong. Okay. What is that song? I don't know. That's not a song. Yeah, and I was like, wait a sec, that is wrong. So, how many times you've seen rhinestone? I'll ask you

2:08:58not enough of it. Something to do with rhinestone. Yeah. That's what song is. No, it's not. Footprints in the mud isn't in that? Are you sure? It should be. That should be the one that's not the one that her and slicing at the end. By the way, what other movie will you get like three Deli Parton Sylvester Stallone duos to end your movie? Think about that. That's how you're closing it. That was a great idea. That's why I do. Fuck yeah. What do you think? Who else's dumb shit idea with that thing? My God. So they see the footprints and they said, did you immediately think this is Alex? And he said, yeah, we thought it was Alex. Maybe there is footprints. So they for footprints might lead. So the follow the footprints in the mud from the home where she had sought help the farmhouse. They follow it all the way out. It ends up being about two tenths of a mile west of route eight, I believe. And they end up finding her car.

2:10:06Okay. So they said that they found as they were looking, they, I guess they had binoculars in shit too. And they were looking and they could see the car and they could see something hanging out of the rear door of the vehicle. Oh. They go and they find its Alex in the back of the vehicle. Her vehicle is like next to like this trailer thing, not a trailer that you live in, a trailer to tow something behind. It was a big trailer thing. Yeah, like a flap and but like that you drive up on I think. And then her car trailer, something like that I think it's hard to tell those there's tarps and shit. But then her car is sitting right next to that in this muddy road in this field. And out of the back driver's side door is Alex. Now I've seen the crime doors open. I've seen the crime scene pictures and it's just I don't want to it's disturbing, but he's like the the only part of his body that's out of the cars from here up shoulder off. He's in the back

2:11:10seat like with his head hanging out on the floor boards of the back seat not on the back seat. Down on the floor. He's on his side. Yeah. And his legs are still on the floor board. His one leg almost looks like it's going into the passenger side seat. It looks like if somebody was being murdered as they tried to get from the passenger seat out the back driver's seat. Oh. That's what it looked like. Like if someone was attacking you, you'd jump into the back seat like two-pock tried to do right. And you'd end up on the floor there. And if they kept attacking you, you wouldn't get out of the car. And just his shoulders up are hanging out the door. Is he facing forward or facing backward? He's facing the front of the car. Yeah. So like if you walked up from the back, you'd see the back of his head. Yeah. He's been stabbed 16 times. Wow. And the other thing it's all over the place. Neck chest head and groin. A bunch of stuff directed at his groin. Oh, which is on purpose. Okay. So they collect forensic shit from the scene. They get evidence that

2:12:17includes both Ezra and Alex's blood in various locations around the car. And both of their DNA are found on a knife that they find a minute from now. And they also find a lot of Ezra's hair on the floor in the back seat of the car. Oh boy. Okay. So then they find in a ditch they find a four inch serrated folding knife with blood on it. And that knife by the way they figure out was used to kill Alex. That knife came from Ezra's father's house. They find that's not good. So she brought that they also find Alex's phone in a ditch on the side of the road. Okay. Okay. Now by the way, the knife, her father said that he had previously previously given his daughter knives back in the day. So these are knives that he gave her. Okay. Now they go back the next day, the 24th. Now knowing all of this. They question her again. Again, she denies remembering anything beyond going

2:13:23for a drive. Again, this is what the detective says for just two or just so you know, this isn't a lot of pressure on her. Thank you for meeting with us again or with me. Ezra, this is another detective introduces. He's from Dunn County. So again, thank you. They shut the door for privacy. Just like every time we talk, if you want to be done talking, just let us know. I know you're here in the inpatient behavioral health. You're in a locked facility for safety to get you the help that we both think you need. But that door isn't locked. When you want to end it, we'll end it. You know, we'll walk you out. We'll get the staff and then get you back to wherever you need to go. Okay. So that's him telling her you're not under arrest without saying it. That's it. Well, he's saying you're allowed to leave whenever you want. Yeah. This the facilities locked, but this door isn't so you don't want to do that. Okay. So the detectives eventually inform her that we found Alex. Oh. And then she said, I guess I'll tell you what happened, but it's really painful.

2:14:25Yeah. Okay. She kept saying I don't remember. I don't remember. But as soon as they told her, we found him. Yeah. Now all of a sudden, she remembers. Shit. Did she think that uh, uh, uh, 2013 in college is disappears? And you'll never find it, especially one with your very specific drawings on it and a body in the back seat with the door open hanging out on somebody's farm. Those don't disappear. No. So she said they were talking about Alex's views on life as they drove. She described these views as being pretty dark shit here. Um, she said that Alex needed to realize that, listen, what we did hurt other people. Oh, wasn't right. What we did. I need you to understand that. Yeah. She said she didn't know whether Alex at some point took over driving. She said her anxiety was so bad. She couldn't drive anymore. Um, she said that part of her anxiety came from Alex misgendering her.

2:15:26She said when they were together, he often called her his boy, which is, uh, because ever since they've known each other, she's not. She, she's been she at that point or they at the, at the, at the most definitely not he. Um, so he said that yeah, it's from there Alex drove them out to a deserted country road. So there, you know, they're like, yeah, dude, we found the crime scene and then she says he started like carving something into my arm. Okay. She said he got a knife from the center console. And that's what happened. And the detective said, can I see it by chance? And they show the word boy scratched in her left forearm. She says in high school, she had questioned her gender and Alex had picked up on that. She said, quote, he used to call me like boy and lots of stuff like that. Come here boy. So she's, did they say like an old southerner? Did he say it like, you're my boy,

2:16:27which one? Either way, it's the least hot thing you can call the person you want to fuck. Yeah. Yeah. And I was just kind of like, I don't really identify that way anymore. So the detective's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't believe the shit about your arm. Um, as we said, Alex is in the driver's seat. And they, the detective said it didn't make sense that Alex is right handed and he's sitting basically where you are talking about an interviewer and he reaches over and carves boy perfectly so she would see it. You'd have to do it backwards. He's here. He's in the driver's seat. She's saying he grabbed my arm, took his right hand and the boy upside down. Your boy is visible to her like this, not the other way. So they're saying then he wrote it upside down. Yeah. They're like, that doesn't seem likely probably. Right. You know what I mean? They said that's perfectly. And said you'd have to do it backwards. It's not plausible. So then back he's driving.

2:17:28Well, yeah, well, while they had parked in a deserted place, the detective said he didn't do that to you. Did he just came out and yeah, just didn't happen that way. And she said she said no. Okay. So they said you carved boy in your own arm. Isn't that right? And she said, yeah, yeah, okay. So yeah, she said that well, we ended up in the back seat and Alex started attacking me. She said he started cutting my pants open and stuff and I didn't know what to do. It was really scary. Like just like a street rapist, like a crazy one. I'm gonna cut her pants off kind of crazy shit. She said that he just kept attacking me and attacking me and I didn't know what to do. And the detective says, okay, he's not believing at this point. She says and I was so scared. It was the scariest thing I've ever experienced in my life. And she said she grabbed the knife by its jagged blade and wrestled it away from Alex and started stabbing him. Oh, for

2:18:34her own protection in the groin a whole bunch of times. Right in the dick. Right in the ball, sack. So the detective said you said you had the knife where were you cutting him. She said I was just going anywhere and everywhere I could. Right in the chest right in the face right in the ball. Right in the dick. Right in the tank. Right in the tank. So the detective says, okay, looks down in her hands, which only have superficial wounds, superficial cuts. He said the wounds don't match. If you're grabbing a knife like she said you did, you pull your hand across. So your hand's going to be flayed open. And that's a fact. We've seen this in a lot of murder cases. But she said, quote, he just kept grabbing me and grabbing me and grabbing me. Uh huh. Too many grabbing for me to believe that too. It's a harrowing story. Things, you know, the guys like, oh, it's terrible. But obviously the more and more they looked at this, they were like this. She's not telling the fucking truth at all. No. Yeah. So she said, I tried to keep them focused on our problems. But then Alex began again talking

2:19:36about the boy thing and carved boy into my arm. And then she said, no, I guess I did it. And she then claimed he attempted to sexually assault her at knife point. She said she was lying in the back frozen as he cut away her clothing. But the next thing she knew she's fighting with her life, stabbing anywhere and everywhere. And she started stabbing him, stabbing him, she fled the back seat, but Alex followed her out. And she was forced to keep stabbing him because he kept trying to grab her. Right. Um, so yeah, she said her anxiety grew so strong after all the grabbing. By the way, her story gets real messy on when she was inside and when he was outside. She doesn't know. It just gets real messy. But she said her anxiety was so much that that's how she just ran away and ended up at a farmhouse. That's what happened. Okay. Yep. She said he kept trying to grab me in the back of the car. So I started to defend myself the best I could. The problem is the blood evidence shows that Alex was mostly stabbed outside of the car, which means. Oh, none of this is

2:20:40true. Um, yeah, they said that that's where there's most of the blood loss. And by the time he gets back into the vehicle, he's nearly dead because there's less blood loss. So all the stabbing took place outside the car. Did he jump in the car to try to maybe take the car to go get help? Get away or maybe to get inside and close the door so she couldn't get out of anymore. Right. Who knows when you're being stabbed. I don't know what you're, you just want to get away, but it happened outside the car. A very integral vein is clearly hit. Yeah. And he probably blood out before he could get away. Yep. They said there's virtually no defensive wounds. That's because they believe that Ezra took him by surprise. Just all of a sudden started hacking this poor kid. Um, the prosecutor said she comes behind him and completely takes him out stabbing him first in the back of the head. Later on, they say, do you think Ezra just snapped and the prosecutor said, yes, I think she intended to do what it took to get back with Jason. And that meant Alexander Woodworth had to be out of the picture. Um, now Ezra chooses to end this police interview like

2:21:44they said she could. So she ends it toward the end of the interview. They said, can we photograph your injuries? She consented. The photos were taken. Uh, then they asked, can we give you to ask a few more questions? And she said, no, I'm done. So that was that. So Jason at this point, this is when he finally realized, holy shit, she's a huge fucking liar. Everything she says is a lie. He believed that she had stabbed him in self-defense because that's what Ezra told him. So that's what he believed. But then he saw the autopsy photos with 16 stab wounds. Some of them at her at his goddamn groin and said, holy shit, she's not a victim. This everything she does is her own shit, she's her own little tornado. So April 9, 2018, she's charged with first degree intentional homicide by use of a dangerous weapon. Oh, God. She's so young. So young. The prosecutor said, I've been a prosecutor since 2001 and I've never seen anything this violent. Just brutalized her.

2:22:47So during, uh, she said that the knife that was found in the ditch outside the house, uh, this is the knife because her show and this is the knife that she did to get rid of Alex and all this type of shit. Um, the prosecutor said she's trying to figure out what to do while he's laying wounded. She's taken her clothes off and she's trying to cut them. She's trying to cut herself. She was clearly someone who was trying to stage an attack because she has clothes with big knife shit in it like, real? Not where she's, she's not cut there. Just what clothes are her clothes, her pants are ripped like knife marks down the leg and like a big thing in the open. Like if you were like, I wanted it to look like someone was going to rip someone's clothes apart with a knife and then rape them. How would I make it look? And that's what it looks like. Rare, really carefully so that she didn't get hurt. Exactly. Yeah. Very carefully. So they asked the prosecutor, how does he end up back in the car? Because that's the interesting question. And she said, I think he climbs in there to get away from the woman who's trying to kill him. Right. He just has nowhere else to go. We're out in the middle of nowhere. There's no other structure. They said Alex was found out

2:23:50hanging out of the back seat because at that point, she said that she thinks that Ezra tried to drag him out of the car. So she could drive away and just leave him there, but she couldn't get him out of the car because she weighs 115 pounds. She's five, two, and he's like a normal size guy and he's dead weight. And also if you're on the bottom, the floor, you got to get him up over that. And there's so much blood. He's so slippery. That's the other thing. So they said that she had to do a different plan. Alex was found with a scarf around his neck and they suspect that the prosecutor suspects he was trying to stop the bleeding with it. He was trying to make a turn of it. Now Alex's grandfather said, that's my question going back in my mind now is what he thought when he was being killed. I look at Ezra and do I get angry? You know, because he suffered, he suffered greatly. By the way, his family are wonderfully nice people who are

2:24:52salt to the earth. Wonderful people. They really, really are. The prosecutor said not one of the wounds was lethal in and of itself. They said, they said, if he received medical intervention pretty quickly, he probably would have lived. Oh my god. This is horrible. But they said that wasn't she wasn't going to let that happen. And when she took off, she took his phone and threw it so he couldn't call for help. So that's it. She smashed it too. She didn't just throw it. She smashed it. The screens all smashed. She made sure it was fucked up. The prosecutor said her Instagram page says, I am the fox, a tricky one. I think she thinks she's a manipulator. The tricky fox. That's hard. So pre-trial, she wants to suppress her statements made on March 23rd and March 24th. Obviously on Miranda grounds, she said. But the court denies her motion. We'll get into that to suppress her stuff.

2:25:59Even though she wasn't Miranda's for one of those times, but they're saying that she couldn't. She could leave. Yeah, that's why they said she would think we thought she was a victim. You know, Miranda is a victim. She's not Miranda's because yeah. I think they should just Mirandaize everybody that comes into the fucking, if you go into police interrogation room, that's just before anything, before anything, you get more. Even if you're a victim, a kid, a witness, anybody, everybody gets Miranda's. That would be smart. Anyway, so they go, the trial strategy is self-defense. That's her thing. Her final story, that's this is it. This is the court story she's going to give. This is her defense. The car got stuck in the mud. They were unable to dislodge it. That's what happened. She began suffering from severe anxiety and Alex suggested she lie down in the backseat of the car, which she did. Then she says Alex got on top of her and began describing her in the third person, calling her boy and saying how she deserves this and that she had betrayed him. He then

2:27:02covered her eyes and began cutting her clothes and skin with the knife. She said that she was frozen and that she was afraid he was going to kill her. A struggle ensued during which Alex, quote, grabbed her by the throat and kept ripping hair out of her head. She was able to disarm him. He's in a psychotic homicidal frenzy and she somehow able to disarm him. Have we ever heard of that? 105. Yeah, 115. Have we ever heard of anybody being about to be stabbed viciously and just wrestle the knife at a someone's hand who is Chuck Norris who we're talking about. No, never. So she said then she began to defend herself by stabbing. She said that after the struggle, she felt dizzy and faint and like she couldn't catch her breath and that things were starting to go black at the sides at the sides like a fucking Oh, she lost her periphery. Like a full screen. They took a wide screen made it full. Now we got up on the sides. She formatted for her TV now. Now it's pan and scan. No good. It's all bad.

2:28:04She decided that she needed to get out of there because she was panicking and at that point, that's when she scratched the word boy into her arm, quote, has a reaction. Oh, an odd reaction. She speculated that she may have done it to wake herself up in a sense and to help her feel something. But she said she really didn't know the answer to why she cut herself. Then she took the knife and Alex's phone and walked away from the scene. She remembers stumbling down a road and she fell a few times which caused her to drop the knife in the phone. She didn't ditch them in a in a ditch. That's crazy. That would be insane. Fall down a lot and you know, fucking things fly away. It's dark out even though it's four o'clock. You know, you ever killed somebody who gets spaghetti legs. It's, you can't do it. It's only afternoon. Yeah. So she wants the March 24th police interview tossed out. Yeah. And she said she was in custody. She said it was the third day in a row. She was questioned by police that Alex's body had been found and she had become a suspect

2:29:08at that time. And that the day before the detective made a show of authority by presenting her with the release of medical information form without asking for her permission or telling her she could choose not to sign it. He just said here, sign this. She said she was asleep and had to be woken for the interview and that she was escorted to the conference room by a social worker. When the detectives were standing outside the unit and would have been visible to her, the interview quote took place in the same lot conference room as the day before. But this time there were two armed officers instead of one. Both had visible weapons and handcuffs and the door to the conference room was closed. Her back was to the door and one detective sat across from her one next to her and the interrogation lasted approximately 90 minutes, which by the way is a very short interrogation. It's very quick. Yeah. Very quick. It's like eight hours. Fuck yeah. They said the circumstances showed that law enforcement were not going to leave her alone and the detectives ramped up the pressure to talk and use psychological pressure. She said,

2:30:12the detectives were required to provide Miranda warnings and that their failure to do so violated her Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination. Now I agree once she's a suspect, they should have Mirandaized her. This is Antelar, so yeah. Yeah. Tell her. Yeah. What do you have to tell her? She's a suspect. But you're more at the answer. By Miranda, that tells you. That should let her know it's up there. But they were saying that they still didn't know if she was the victim. That was what the cops said. They still didn't know what was going on. And then once she started kind of spilling shit, it was kind of too late at that point. Now the trial, the court is going to allow her to admit some of Alex's journal entries into court record. To show that he's a dark person and cannibal. The cannibal. Yeah. That kind of shit. The vampirism. Oh, God, forget it. But the court limits the use of the journal entries by the defense. You can't just have everything. You can have very specific things to what you want to talk about. So she had moved to present certain entries as evidence of his character, reputation,

2:31:19behavior, statements, and specific acts. And she said that that will boost herself defense claim. And she suggested that Alex was violent and that he condoned non-consensual sex, also known as rape. Not known by any other word, really. It's like when you'll hear people say like a minor woman and you're like, you mean a young girl? You mean a child girl? Yeah. So she sought, though, to introduce these as a as a McMorris evidence, which is McMorris versus state. That's the case that that comes from. So the circuit court agrees with some of it and allows her to introduce the following evidence. Alex is writing that Ezra was actually aware of when she stabbed him. And which and which she testified contributed to her perception of the danger that he posed to her. So basically what you would have read that would have made you feel threatened while this incident

2:32:24was going on. So if he talked about he likes to stab people, that would be relevant. Or if he talked about I want to cut someone with a knife and then eat them, that would be relevant. That kind of shit. Other than that, though, they said his character trait for violence through opinion or reputation evidence, but the court refused to permit her to use the journal entries as evidence of his character for violence to support an inference about the victim's actual conduct during the incident. Now, I don't want, I don't want diaries used, especially if it's a fail. No, I don't want that used in trials. Not unless it helps like catch the murder, like it's the victims, but it helps. I don't want to use it against the victim. No, unless they're saying, Ha, ha, I'm going to make it look like this guy killed me and they didn't. That's a much better journal to be using. Yeah. Yeah. Now, she is by design and by her own everything, the star of this trial. Oh, she makes a spectacle of herself. She does herself up, which a lot of people

2:33:28they want to look nice and court. Yeah. She does herself up hair, makeup, which is fine. Like we said, every, all the outfits are all pink though. Very pink. Oh, and the defensive strategy was to make her seem like a young, young girl, like a child, like a child, small, young, meek, pink. Look like your daughter. You know what I mean? Like whoever's daughter out there, pink, everything fucking pink, too much like different shades of pink, depending on day, depending on it. She'll have outfits of three different shades of pink on it. It's wild. So she came in with different hairstyles all the time, different club. Like it was a fashion show for her. Yeah. It was crazy. This is this is 1819, huh? This is 2019. This is going on. Yeah. This is post like once, once I mean, there's been a bunch of them obviously that tried to their best to like doctor themselves for that for an image, but Casey Anthony really fucking went to town with the with and so did Jody Arias. Obviously Jody Arias. Yeah. That's a difference. A bit. She's a bit

2:34:31crazy. This is not going to limb. This is just Jody Arias in a car. Yeah. It's the exact same case. But she's going to try she's going to try to case the Anthony this and try to look like the librarian when she doesn't realize that this is way worse. She's trying to look like she's trying to look like the part of the porn before the button comes down. Yeah. And the panties come off. That's that's what she's trying to look like rather than after. Yeah. So yeah, she tried to look like timid and that kind of thing to look get small. They told her real. I mean, you could tell they told her get small. You're small. You're real tiny. You're tiny. So the prosecution said shortly after they began dating. Unfortunately for Alex, the defendant was involved in a complex series of other relationships at that time, which we know about. The defense says that there was a struggle. Ezra's attorneys point out a muddy boot print on the ceiling of the car. There's a

2:35:33muddy boot print on the ceiling of the car. And that's evidence that a struggle had taken place in the back seat. Uh-huh. Okay. That's their whole case. Jason testifies the boyfriend. He's kind of the star. This thing is he's funny. He says that when he walked in and everybody everybody talked about this, everybody noticed this. This is not just an ex boyfriend, whatever. He said, on the day I was testifying, I was kind of shocked when I walked in the room. She's given me these looks adjusting herself like being overly, you know, attuned to me. You can see it, dude. She's adjusting her hair. She's fixing herself up like, yeah, that's my man right there. It's weird. Then this is fucking crazy. Jason's asked by the prosecutor to identify Ezra in court, which they do that bike. Can you tell me where she's sitting in which she's wearing? Yeah. He identified her as wearing a pink jacket. Okay. Yeah. And she was. But then during the break, she was wearing the pink

2:36:36jacket over something. She's one of guess what that is? His shirt. Nope. She took it off during the break. And when he came back up to testify, she's wearing the green sweater that he gave her at the hospital. Oh, you bitch. She wore it underneath because she knew he was testifying that day. To fuck with his head, this is the shirt you gave me. That's what she's wearing the shirt. Wow. Now, most people didn't realize anything. Just looked like she had a green sweater on. She took her jacket off, but he knew that's the sweater I gave her at the hospital. He said it was emotional to see that the games never stopped. It was deliberate. Ezra definitely wore that to get a response out of me. He said it was just shocking. I don't understand what her tactic was, but I definitely felt uneasy. I felt like more of emotional manipulation I had been put through. I definitely felt like she thought that showing that to me is like, this is how much I love you still. I have a piece of you. Yeah. That's what it is. Like I'm wearing this. There was a case we saw. There was something

2:37:38that Corey Richens did that was a similar thing. You know that metaphorical cannibal part? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Corey Richens did something similar when her ex came in there. The guy that they had to read all the text messages. Oh, yeah. What's real? What's honest? You know, they said, tell the whole truth. He said, what do you mean by the whole truth? That was what he said and everyone went, huh? I heard a lawyer talking about it afterwards. I think it was Emily Baker said, I was a prosecutor for 15 years. I've never heard anyone say that before. I've seen thousands of people sworn in. None of them said, depends on what you mean by the whole truth. That's never come out. The judge literally had to look like me. And then they said, fuck it. Take the oath in the Bible away and just said, if they ask a question, will you tell it as truthfully as you possibly can? And he said, yeah, he goes, good enough. Let's go. Move it along.

2:38:40Fuck are we doing here? Getting caught up in semantics with this asshole. Some guy who lives in a fucking rental house that is murder, murder a girlfriend. Let's crash in. He installs a bathtub for pussy for Christ's sake. He's the Jason of this case. It's funny. So put in a bunch of curtain rods for blood. Yeah. Fuck in a while. So several experts for the state and the defense could testify at the trial. They discuss her injuries specifically whether the injuries were self inflicted, but another person, she had bruises, I guess, on her neck consistent with having been strangled and that injuries on her hands and forearms were consistent with defensive wounds and that the location of the injuries of her injuries could have been fatal had the cuts been deeper. Yeah. That's her defense people. There's also dueling psychologists, Sierra, psychiatrists actually. One guy, Dr. James Hopper, a behavioral researcher and clinical

2:39:40instructor of psychology and psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. Yeah. And there's a psychologist named Steve Benson, who the prosecutor calls like a hired gun and all this shit. And he sits up there on the real smuggled smirk on his face to win a bago community college. Yeah. Exactly. From from fucking Oh Claire, you not even the real college is not even no college is there. So spilled OH Claire. Oh Claire. So their review police reports medical records and recordings, transcripts, all that kind of shit. Benson testified that he diagnosed Ezra with PTSD childhood onset and persistent depressive disorder with anxious distress. He explained that her statements during the interviews with law enforcement were consistent with those diagnosis and that intrusive thoughts and avoidant symptoms dissociation and a regression, which explained why she gave emergency responders her birth name rather than the her name she's been using. Or because also

2:40:46fucking legal. Yeah. He also testified that self-cutting can be a trauma response, which it can be. It can also be a way for you to try to set up a fucking murder scene. There is that too. Dr. James Hopper said after a crime, a person can be really stressed and that could make it hard for them to tell the police officer about things that are actually in their brain. People's ability to retrieve information can improve over time if we become less stressed over time. Yeah. Okay. Now the prosecutor though said trauma can certainly affect your memory, but it doesn't make you lie. I think that was convenient. Right. Yeah. Now a childhood friend of hers said when asked if they thought she was truthful Ezra was in her testimony. She says, no, I think she had too many ideas of deception going on in her head. She couldn't figure out which one to use. She couldn't keep a story straight. Fuck. That's what happens when she testifies. And the first thing they ask her about on the stand, by the way, when Ezra testifies, she testifies. It's weird, dude. She's so smiley

2:41:51and like she acts like she's going to a new school. And they're going to put her up at the front of the class and just find out about her. Who are you? Would she do, well, I mean, I'm from over here. I'm trying to be friendly. I'd like to make friends. It's so strange. Well, she's too loud. Well, yeah, it's so fucking weird, dude. She had her smiles and she's like, it's weird. You're on trial for murder. Look serious. It's weird. I mean, that might be okay, but when you see it, it didn't come across well at all. It's right. Did she think she was like portraying a girl incapable of stabbing? Is that what she thought? Yeah, I'm so nice and pink. How do you know how to bad person? And they asked her, will you explain to the jury why you've been drawing and doodling in court because the media made a big deal of the fact that she's drawing, which a lot of people do. And she said, oh, and she did it real smiley. She goes, it's just like a way for me to like, you know, kind of control my anxiety a little bit and you know, just kind

2:42:52of get more or just center myself in this trial because it's trial stressful. You know what I mean? Sure. It's creepy. So she testifies. She said, I cut my hand because I kept trying to grab him and then I finally got free and I finally got the knife away from him. She later said, uh, that was the beginning when she said initially, then at trial, she said, I then decided to knee him in the groin and he drops the knife at that point because she can't explain in court that she grabbed the knife by the blade because her hand wasn't cut enough. So now she had to switch it and now it's a now it's a cartoon. She needs him in the groin. Not only does he immediately fall down, he throws the knife and everything. That's not what people do when they get hit in the balls. First of all, if you kick me in the balls, I got about eight seconds to stab the fuck out of you before that shit sets it. I will use that eight seconds. Yeah. I'm going to use all eight of those seconds on you if I have a knife and you do that. But once it's once yeah, once, once that the parallelization takes effect, then it's all that's coming out is bitch, I'm going to

2:44:00fuck and kill you. Well, then all you could do is this with a knife. You could be like, just wild swing, get back, go like real, not even like a sweet, just that little motions. Like you're fanning, yeah, you're kidding. Mosquitoes get away. Get away. You don't know what to do with it. Oh, the pain is crazy. It's the worst. Yeah. So she said, yeah, I decide to knee him in the groin. He drops the knife instantly. I grab the knife. I start stabbing him anywhere and everywhere I could. That's her testimony. So she goes with the back seat thing. She said, most of the blood evidence was found outside the car. Obviously, so that contradicted that. She said, Alex and I started slow, meaning in their relationship, we held hands, we hugged, we shared a few kisses and then we eventually became partners. She said their sex life was normal. She even said it was vanilla at first. But I encouraged him to explore himself and things he might

2:45:05want. And we started, we started practicing and doing these new things that he wanted. Okay. That explains a four month tour and a fair. Yeah. That takes so long to get to. That's what I mean. That's not, it's usually not immediately explore yourself, figure it out. Yeah. Takes that's a while. So the lawyer said, was there ever a time back in your relationship in January or February where Alex used a knife when having sex with you? She said, yes, he had cut a pair of my pants. So she said, then they started getting into bondage and shit. She said, he enjoyed to blindfold me. I took the role of submissive. It turned into what could be considered a BDSM relationship. Yeah. Now the, the prosecution says there is absolutely no evidence that Alex was involved in BDSM whatsoever. She just pulled this out of her ass hole essentially. He has no blind folds or ropes or any of that shit at his house. There's none of that exists. Nothing crazy in his room. No, there's also a big argument over the word prone. Okay. She says that she absolutely

2:46:15does not like to be in a prone position. Okay. So then they go back and forth and they say, well, that's funny. There's a text exchange from with John Hanson from February 2018 where she sends a picture to Mr. Hanson of herself in a prone position then follows it up with, I just want to do something similar, but I'd like you to time me up for it. Like that's funny. I think what like on your back defenseless defenseless. Yeah. That's what I'm getting. So they said they kept, she kept talking about prone and prone and prone, but they said she was asked about being prone is in lying face down and having sex with Mr. Woodworth behind her. I didn't ask her if she liked it or if she didn't at that point. This is them talking to the judge here. And so there's a lot of going back and forth with prone. Okay. Is it dog ear? Is it missionary? That's what they're saying. They said lying down on her or being prone is opposed to face up in the missionary position as it's called.

2:47:18Those are two very different things and it does not open the door whatsoever nor would I call the photograph prone. Bubble, bust they go back and forth on that. So they ask. Oh yeah, yeah. There's our publish to the public, but they're published in court. The lawyer asks as you were driving, whenever you're sending texts or shit, realize if anything happens down the road, this is all going to be shown in court. All of it. Also, you don't know how it's going to touch your life. It could be somebody completely unrelated to this and her phone gets opened. And she's got a fucking dick. Yeah. Oh, you don't know because you sent it to a friend who shared it with a friend. God damn it. They said, as you were driving, were you paying much attention to where you were going? And she said, no, I was just driving. They said, what were you hoping to do when you saw Alex? She said, I was hoping we could be friends still after everything between us. They said, she said, but once the car got stuck in the mud, everything changed. She said, I was

2:48:19breathing heavy. My anxiety was heightened. And she said, Alex positioned himself above me. You could say straddled me in the back seat. She said, was cutting her clothes away. I could feel the knife start to graze and cut into my skin. She said, what was going through my mind is he's going to make you do what he wants. He's going to take anything he wants. I'm afraid he's going to kill me. Then I decided to need him in the groin. He drops the knife instantly. I grab it and start stabbing him. They say, are you trying to kill him? And she says, no, I just want to get away. I need to get out of the car. I need to get out as fast as I can. They say, then they say, so why did you keep stabbing him when you were still on the car? She said, because he wouldn't let go. He wouldn't let me out. I was terrified. She says, then they ended up outside. But by then he'd suffered wounds to his head neck and groin, but he was still able to grab a hold of her. She said, and he pulls me very close and tight to his body. They said, what are you thinking? She said, he's going to kill me. I

2:49:19reached around and just quickly stabbed him in the side, hoping he would let go. She doesn't remember what happened next. She said, but she said, but the prosecutor said that she spent the next couple hours rearranging the evidence to make it look like he did says, right? Carving shit, cutting her own clothes. She's in the middle of nowhere. She's got pointed side. She sat there with a man bleeding out and and positioned frame this whole situation to look like she's a man. I get out of this. Yeah. She said, I kept saying out loud, what's happening? What's going on? I couldn't get the feeling outside my head, the visual of the horror of seeing Alex and seeing the blood. It felt like I was in a tunnel. Like I could only see so much around me. It felt dizzy and faint. Like I can't catch my breath. The prosecutor says, she, you know, this is later on, she conveniently forgets kind of everything that happens within that three hour period, which is kind of fun between then and the dark step. For three hours,

2:50:24she didn't wander for three hours. It's right there. And they have her footprint. She went right to there. It's not like she went the other way for half a mile and turned around. So as her goes on and say, I don't know how to process this. I just don't know. The prosecutor says that Ezra deliberately drove to the Fremont area with the purpose of killing him. And she said, then I just remember stumbling down the road. I wanted to call the police. I wanted to get help. I wanted to do anything I could, but I accidentally broke the phone. They said, why did you scratch boy in your in your arm? Yeah. That's what her attorney says. And she said, I thought about it. And when I think about this, I don't know. It was just a reaction. I thought about it. And not to purposely mislead right investigators. As soon as they called me on my bullshit, uh, yeah, didn't know an answer for that. Yep. They said, was there a point at the hospital where your memory began to return to you? And she didn't say, yeah, when they started telling me about the crime scene and how full of shit I was, she said, when I was finally able to take a shower that night, and I could

2:51:28see my hand was cut and I could feel everything start to come back to me. Now, here's some reactions to her testimony. Her ex Jason said, quote, when she was on the witness stand, it didn't seem real. She just seemed at times to be enjoying it. There were times on the witness stand where she was smiling or joking, which is not a good look. Um, her friend, one of her own friends from childhood said, I thought it was really interesting when she was asked to spell her name, how happy she got, how much she lit up when she was spelling it. She was like smiling like, yep, this is me. I get to talk about me now like my time to shine. Someone who knows it. I know how to spell that. Yep. The prosecutor said her demeanor during the trial was very relaxed. She seemed on breaks excited to see her family. That this was kind of a family reunion. It wasn't someone who's I'm on trial for first degree intentional homicide. This was someone who was wondering when she's going home. And she also thought that Ezra was emphasizing, emphasizing her femininity to appeal to jurors,

2:52:29especially the first day she testified she wore a pink sweater. She said she was in pink and trying very much to be very meek and timid. Right. The defense closing said she wanted to live. She fought to survive. She's innocent. Right. Okay, jury instructions came on here. And I guess there was limiting basis for the Jerry's consideration of Alex's journal entries and as a resmental condition. Okay. Yeah. Jerry comes back guilty of first degree intentional homicide. A duh. Okay. Jason says when she heard that when she hears the verdict, it's a wild. You can, she's just like, huh? She, her brain breaks when she hears guilty. She thinks she, she's shot, she thought she was going home. She really did. You could see it. I think she almost didn't believe it herself. She looked like she was going to faint almost. There was like actual fear, like nobody believes me anymore. And I'm caught. Yeah. The prosecutor said, I think she thought she

2:53:31was going home at the end of that day. Wow. So a juror said, this day asked a juror. The juror said, the stab wound to the head. And then she said, that's where I stabbed him first. That's an intentional act to kill somebody. And what does she, and that she also says about as her testifying, the juror said, quote, she didn't help herself much. I would expect more, more emotion, more something. And the interviewer said remorse. And she said, yeah, yeah, definitely remorse. That's the only way. Yeah. One of those. Give me a, give me a remorse. Okay. She had regret about fucking John. She had zero regret about this. And she got a lot of shit. And I do understand, people get that, oh, they, people do say that like a lot of women on trial, they look at them too closely and look at outfits and all that, but they do that for men. They do that for everybody. They, for everyone people and spend hours analyzing every OJ Simpson Simpson facial gesture and facial fucking expression. So they do that in every trial. But hers, she was particularly, her demeanor was

2:54:35weird in court, dude. It was not normal homicide fucking person, whatever. So then before sentencing, she released a statement. It's a bitch about the media. She said, if you breathe, it will be used against you. If you cry too hard or too much, she's a fake. If you don't cry enough, she's heartless. If you smile, she's not taking this seriously. If you keep your face calm, she is on feeling smile, but not too much. It's okay to cry, but not too much. Don't react, but don't make sure that they, but make sure that they know who you are. Yeah, like a job interview. It's the same person. Yeah. Be a normal person. If you weren't guilty, wouldn't even have to think about that shit. It would just come to you naturally. Or don't murder. Yeah. You're gonna worry about it. Yeah. And she said about the family reunions quote unquote. She said, who would not smile after finally face to face with being with their family after so long? People are on trial for first degree murder. That's so stupid. I don't know. I'd feel embarrassed that I haven't seen my family in this long, and I'm embarrassing them. It's I'm in prison. She said she felt retraumatized

2:55:40by the trial and the way she was portrayed as a sex fiend and a liar. And she said, I have supporters on my Instagram page and they say they'll never stop fighting and either rely. She said the battle for justice has only begun. How many followers does she have? Is it a lot? I have no idea. She was still putting out Facebook posts from prison though. So she's got someone doing that and sentencing. She looks completely different. She's not blonde anymore. She's cut her hair super short. Really? Completely different human being. Where in the jail scrubs everything. So yeah, her mother pleaded with the court to grant her daughter the possibility for parole after 20 years. Please. Alex's aunt said throughout the trial, we never saw any sign of sadness, shame, compassion, or the slightest bit of remorse for what you had done. As Rha says, I want to just say how sorry I am that they have lost their son, but my sorry doesn't cut it in my mind. I love Alex very much. I also feel a great loss. And I am so sorry. It was half about her.

2:56:43Right. The judge made a point of saying how your apology is the most insincere fucking shit I've ever heard. And you, ma'am, may fuck off life in prison, eligible to petition for extended supervision. So eligible for parole after 50 years. 50. Oh, fuck. She's going to be 70 when she's eligible for parole. I mean, I, I think the judge did it because she was so young. I can't give you parole in 20 years. I can't do it. You're going to get out and do this more. Right. Yeah. You're going to get out and spit some kids out now. That's 40. You could sit at the end of a bar and bait somebody in and then fucking stab them in their sleep. Yeah. Then she's mad, oh, 2020. She says, I've touched on the topic of the media before. I feel that I should acknowledge its presence. I have no obligation. I have no commitment. I feel that I must comment of things have, as things have unfortunately gotten out of hand. I know that I'll never successfully combat the

2:57:47prejudicial persistent and invasive coverage. I am only one, but I am one. So I would like to express my voice on what I have observed. Most of all, the lack of respect for anyone involved in this tragic event is appalling. We are stripped of our skeletons and reduced to abstract ideas. Now you're starting to sound like his fucking cannibalism philosophy. Feeling the edge of every second that passes by like a knife, what is she stupid? You're doing. I know that I am not the only individual with this burden. I feel in their behavior, they disregard our pain, the loss. This is not just something to click, watch, subscribe, and comment on. I ask, could a greater miracle take place than for us to look through each other's eyes for an instant? I'm never going to win the media, quote unquote. I'm not here to do that. What I am here to do is draw awareness to gather support, as well as highlight a system that's broken. I want to thank all of you that do support me. I want to thank all that continue to believe in me. Your support keeps this fight alive. Not only do I fight

2:58:52for myself, but for a better future. And that had 71 likes at whatever time someone took the screenshot. What the fuck? Which is more than a lot of comedians we know when they're trying to promote their shows. And this guy is this lady's a murderer. 71. So she appeals by the way, ineffective assistance of counsel for not getting her statements tossed out. Yada, yada, yada, or was she in custody? Was she not? We've gone over that a shitload of times. You're not in custody. If you're sitting in the room, which are, you know, certain factors, the doors open, you're not in cuffs. Blah, blah, blah. So there's a lot of that going on here. So they deny her shit, by the way. Final thoughts. Here we go. This is, I believe Alex's brother said, quote, I've been forgiven. So I forgave her. It's just that simple. Hates like drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die. Oh, hey, you know what? He's right. Pretty good. The guys, I mean,

2:59:53close. I don't know who said that. He didn't, but no, no, it's an old quote. It's old. Yeah. It's a great old quote. 2000 years ago, that's like, great, you're just or some shit. Yeah, playtowers. But it's a fascinating way to say it towards, I mean, towards some of the knife to your brother and death. That's, that's the ultimate test of it though. Yeah. If you really believe that shit, it's fine to say it, but let's see how you, let's see how you practice that forgiveness and all that shit when it's real, when it's not just some bullshit. I mean, they pass the test with flying colors, these people, they're good people. And I think I would probably say that in a lot of circumstances, but I'm sure there are, I'm sure there are circumstances where I will absolutely load somebody for the rest of their life. Sure. I have a nice, full shitty life. There's people I've hated for 30 years. You give me. It's fine. And then I get it. No. So I mean, I know someone who's killed someone I know and I don't hate that person. I don't care. It's different. So they're comedians. I genuinely hate. I genuinely hate.

3:00:56Literally hate. They have no, I don't even feel bad about it. Fuck them. And that's not me hoping that poison kills them. I just know I don't care. Anything can kill them and I'll be happy. I don't give a shit. It doesn't have to be poison. So Alex's family member goes on to say, I want him to be remembered as someone who loved everyone. Everyone loved Alex. You know, because he was always there to help Alex wanted everyone to smile. Jason said, I feel like I could have been there. I could have been the motive for this murder. He was the motive. That's what the prosecution's whole story was. She wanted Jason back. He is a little slow on the up. He's never mind. He's so naive. I've seen his testimony where he comes across as an intelligent guy. So I think I was, I was snowed by actually seeing him. You have to read his words. He said that and for her to take his life and put that blood on my hands, this is horrifying. And the prosecutor said, I feel confident in

3:01:58saying she was going to do whatever it took to get back together with Jason. Jason said, maybe I missed something. It like slipped through my hands. I still think about them both though. I think about them both so often. I didn't have to end this way. You didn't have to hurt all these people. She's currently incarcerated in the tyca. Wow. Ty Cheetah. Ty Keetah, correctional institution. And in Monomonee, Wisconsin, she's there and that's that. So there you go, everybody. That springbrook, Wisconsin. It's a fucking crazy story, right? I mean, that is the second woman from Wisconsin that chopped somebody to death. Yes. That we have business. Yeah. That's right. And Wisconsin will do it to you. But what's happening up there makes women want to cut you up, makes dudes want to eat you. I don't get it. It's weird. So much dairy you guys too much in the dairy. You're you're craving protein, everybody. You're craving meat. So anyway, if you enjoy that story, get on whatever app

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