Who Fell Out Of Charlie’s SUV? TPUSA Makes A HUGE Mistake Releasing Alleged Text from Charlie.

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1:04And of course, because we want to be spicy, we have more exclusive footage of the security members on Charlie's team from September 10. But perhaps most importantly today, I would now like to formally address the text message that might debate opponent. If that's what we're calling him, Andrew Wilson released while I was in Iceland, the alleged message from Charlie, night before his death, allegedly sent via telegram wherein Charlie says he's afraid the left is going to kill him. That message is exceedingly problematic, but not for the reasons that you think. Turning point walked right into a most wonderful trap, and I'm going to explain to you guys why. Welcome back to Candace. Where to begin, where to begin? I guess let's start with filling in some narrative holes from yesterday.

2:05Now I asked the public if you guys could help me out, ideeing some of the remaining security members from September 10th, and you guys obliged me. We can now complete this photo officially. Time is all here. So what I had left off was I was asking about the guy in the far right in the blue shirt. We now know that that is Todd S.B., I guess I said bright blue shirt, far right just in front of Alex Ferria and Brian Harpole. And then we had remaining the person, Chester, I think goes by Claude Barnes. Now we're fairly certain. We've done our bit of research here that that is Claude Barnes. He is at least with integrity or was with integrity solutions. And I want to thank X-JJJ86 for pulling that one together for us. If you guys have any more information, if we made any mistakes, please let us know. We would like to reach out to these people and see if they would be willing to speak to us. Now, many people noted how odd it was that all of them in that photo appeared to be wearing

3:09the same shoes, the same outfits. I think that that was probably done intentionally that they wanted to be able to recognize one another sort of like what I was saying about the feds, how they'll have or the military, they'll have a color code for the day. So that just seems like organization to me. It is remarkable. They do kind of all have the same shoes. Didn't strike me as odd, but I will say what does strike me as interesting is that butch hybs is matching them. Yeah, I asked myself that a while ago. I said, what are the odds that butch hybs, the mountain man, just to be clear, not the CIA or the Mossad man. He just likes the mountains. The odds that he shows up on a whim in matching attire. Okay, here's butch. Obviously the dress code for the security team was to wear a plaid shirt and to wear those brown shoes. If you quite literally photoshopped him into the security pick, you would just think he belonged. We did that.

4:10It's just interesting, not exactly what I would call mountain shoes, but I mean, I guess I wouldn't call them massage shoes either. Anyway, we still do not, however, have a positive ID on a rather crucial character, Christopher, the security member that was on Charlie and who drove him to the event at UVU with Mikey McCoy and Nate Walker and Frank Tarrick in the back seat. I want to show you guys some clear images of Christopher. They realized yesterday we only showed you one blurry one and I intended to show you more because his beard was grown out and I find that men look their entire face changes if they grow up, beard out. One person did email us and thought that his surname might be Jobin, J-O-B-I-N, but we were not able to confirm or even find one thread or shred of proof that that would be his surname. Like I said, I wanted to show you some clear images so we can reopen that part of our investigation.

5:11Here he is less grown out, beard here and here he is with no beard. You can get a sense of, he just looks a lot younger, obviously, like all men do when they don't have a beard. Here's another photo of him, believe it or not, yes, that is our individual that is on Charlie. If you know who that is, recognize that person, please send us an email to more tips at CandaceOwns.com. You can also send an email to tips at CandaceOwns.com would be a person that I love to reach out to for various reasons. Now I can tell you that I did, of course, reach out to my sources at Turning Point, USA to learn more about him when we see hired who is he. I don't recognize him and I was told that he was hired late to 2024. That he was not particularly friendly. He didn't speak to anyone at Turning Point, USA's facilities. He was on Charlie and so that's why nobody seems to know his last name. I was also told that he was allegedly in attendance during that fateful Hampton summit where

6:16BB Netanyahu called Charlie Kirk, something a story that we broke and which I mean, Erica confirmed the reasons for that phone call. I don't know if I accept what she told me, but Hampton summit is an interesting one, especially given Bill Ackman's odd investment in the story. That's all we know about him thus far. Like I said, if you can help identify him, please do reach out tips or more tips at CandaceOwns.com. Moving on from that, we had received a few emails from people speculating that maybe the keys were hidden in the hood of the car. Yesterday we were trying to figure out what's going on here. How was this door open? What kind of security would leave a car door open? Also what kind of security would leave their vehicles, the security vehicles blocked in so that they can't get out. If you rewatch the footage, I do want to say it looks like the car is already open.

7:19If you take a look at Justin Davis and you take a look at Lake Kareff, they arrived to the car first. They don't go to the hood or to any other area. They go directly to the passenger side door and it does not appear if it is locked. How do we know? If they had unlocked the door on their way while they were running, we would see that in the footage. The back lights would flash as back lights do when you hit the car keys open on any modern car. It was in $25. We know that it would just look red and we go. Someone just turned on the car. In order for them to drive that vehicle off, of course, the keys were either already in the car or it was in one of their pockets as well. It could have been in Blake's pocket. It could have put it in the car. I will say from a purely speculative standpoint that it is at least plausible and the immediate aftermath of the explosion, one of them either already had the keys on them or perhaps

8:20were handed the keys because if you watch the footage from Charlie's front, after the explosive goes off, both Justin and Blake Kareff at first slide and dive toward Charlie before then instantly pivoting and sprinting to the car. We're going to isolate those actions and show you that one by one. First up, we're going to look at Blake Kareff. He is going to dive across the table. That's our table diver. You can watch him actually from two angles. We have the angle behind Charlie's head, which Terrell shared with me and the angle from the crowd. Take a look at this. There he is. There's Blake. You're going to see him jump across the table there. Many people looked at that and thought it was possible that there was a handoff of some description. Actually, if you examine some side footage, which I'm about to show you, it looks more like he reaches into his pocket for something, something that we can deduce has to be small

9:24because he uses just two fingers. We have no idea if it's car key. It could also be something else entirely, but we're just showing you all of this because all these little pieces make up a puzzle. Take a look here. You have him. Maybe keys, maybe not, maybe something totally different. Can't be certain, worth noting. Next up, we have Justin Davis. He does less of a slide, a bit more of a dive, but he is not entirely in view. If you take a look, he looks like he goes beneath the table before he gets up and sprints to the car. We're going to show you that. Take a look here. There's Justin in front. He turns around there, then he comes around, and there he is on that right-hand side there outside of the table. We can't see what he actually does while he's down there, but then he immediately gets up and he runs off.

10:25Is it possible, keys? We're handed to him in that moment. Sure, it's possible. Is it certain? Absolutely not. But we're allowed to think. We're going to keep thinking while it's legal. Then of course, is the video that we showed you yesterday. We are again going to isolate Justin Davis so that you can see that he is the first to arrive with Blake Haraf in tow to the open passenger door of the Denali. We're going to show you first this as just a bright clip before we isolate who Justin is. Take a look at this. There they are, the two of them right there. An interesting choice, by the way, to run to the passenger door. I'm not really entirely sure why that is. Then he goes for that little meat and greet in front, just in a little huddle, Mikey, and then he gets in there. Then there comes Charlie. We're now going to show you that clip again, somewhat darkened because you want to highlight

11:28the key characters here. Take a look again. The perfect lunch combo. That first bite of your favorite sub, followed by ice-cold Pepsi. Add a couple of friends, and now that's next level. Suddenly, the laughs get louder, the stories keep flowing, and the food tastes better. Because Pepsi brings out more flavor, more fun, and more of the moment. Food deserves Pepsi. Grab a Pepsi Zero Sugar today. There's Mikey not on the phone, just covering his ear. Now you can see the two of them opening that door. Justin goes around to the front. Who knows? Who knows how those keys got there? Or whether or not the keys were given or when exactly the keys were given, rather, to Justin or Blake. Unless one or both of them wants to come forward and share their stories or fill in some of

12:31these holes, we can't know for certain. It's obviously chaotic, but it's also strangely choreographed, in my view. It's strange to me that there doesn't seem to be any misdirection or any fumbling or any confusion. They all knew to go to that car specifically. They knew it was available. They knew it was open again. This is all happening within 45 seconds. This is happening within 30 seconds when you see Justin and them get there. And as we stressed yesterday, it's especially odd to me that the driver of that vehicle is missing. The driver who might assume had the keys, Chris, and who had previously locked that car at some point before the explosive goes off, he was probably unlocks the car and then makes a decision to go upstairs with Charlie's assistant Nate Walker heading toward the Serencent Center just before the bang. I mean minutes before the bang.

13:32And like I said, some people thought that maybe it's Mikey, who handed those keys to Justin Davis, because Mikey was in fact in the car. Maybe he had a spare set during that little front of car powwow. Maybe I do think it's odd that both Danny and Mikey instantly went to that exact spot separately. But instantly, especially Danny, because Danny didn't arrive in that car. Danny's passing his car and then goes right in the front and does that little dip and then goes off with Mikey to the left. Now, the question that we got a lot of people asking online is who fell out of the vehicle. Somebody falls out of that vehicle. You are correct. Somebody does fall out of that vehicle. And we can confirm to you that that is a different security person. That is Alex Ferria. Okay. Alex Ferria, it looks as though he attempts to get into the trunk where Frank Terrick is, but then he falls out and we can show you that with Alex Ferria isolated. And yes, in addition to that, you will see in this clip a backpack falls out of the car.

14:34Take a look here. There is Alex. He gets in. And then the backpack falls out at the end there. Now I do want to say regarding Alex Ferria falling out of that car, it's a bit of a wonder that a pastor would think it's wise for him to be in the car above security on the way to the hospital. You would think that he would yield to security and say, okay, I'll find my own way. I just think that feels mildly inappropriate, given the circumstances. And speaking of Frank Terrick, there are a lot of things that he has said about that day that are questionable. I mean, definitely the CPR story, to me is the most senseless. His excuse that Brian Harpall was distracted and forgot that he conducted CPR on a dying

15:36person in the very small vehicle. I don't think Harpall just forgot that. I actually think Harpall told the truth between the two of them. If I'm being honest, when he said that no CPR was conducted in the car, I don't think he was distracted. Also, by the way, if you are wondering as many of you were, who it was that picked up that backpack, that fell almost instantly. You see someone pick up the backpack. It is again more remarkable luck. It looks like choreography almost. They're so lucky that it happened to be a long time turning point USA employee, a Chrissy Pachico, who picks up that backpack. It's not a random student or a passerby or a police officer, but a person that was in charge of logistics on that day. A member of the logistics team for Turning Point USA that helped us set up everything. That is truthful answer. She's there in time just to pick up the backpack as it falls out. And we can show that again if we want to just show that clip of the backpack falling out and then it's getting scooped by Chrissy. Here we go.

16:38Here comes the backpack. We've highlighted Chrissy there. You can see the first thing she does is she picks up that backpack end of story. Just to case you guys thought it was a random, it's not a random. Someone on the Turning Point USA team. Okay. Now, I would like to stress here that I expressed yesterday that I believe the backpack belongs to Chris, the anonymous Chris. And honestly, it's a Utah 1102 hearsay sufficient speculation that I am making. I am inferring upon some other evidence that I have been withholding that I'm going to share with you all today. Something interesting that happened could be interesting. I think it's interesting. You see around 12.11 PM. So like approximately 12 minutes before Charlie gets hit. Chris, person that's supposed to be on Charlie with keys in hand, heads to that Denali.

17:46And he unlocks the trunk and he either puts something into the trunk or take something out of whatever is in the trunk. That part is obvious. There's something in the trunk that he is going, as you will see, to I guess you could say, fumble around with. Take a look. There he is. No one's around. And he goes right where the backpack maybe is. Looks like he almost puts something in his pockets. Goes to the left a little suspiciously. Let's play it again for people back at home. Here he is. There he goes. Something on that left side. Again, this is approximately 12.11.

18:46Put something in his pocket. He goes back to make sure no one is looking at him and then he closes the trunk. And then we know what he does next is he goes upstairs with Nate Walker, Charlie's assistant toward the serencent building. I do want to stress that when we come back from break, we're going to talk about this message at Turning Point USA released. And it's really strange because if Charlie had expressed it, he thought the left was going to kill him and he expressed the night before that he wanted to make sure that his security men stayed on him. As you're going to see him as message, it's very odd that Chris, the main person who was on him, the main security detail on him would go upstairs with his assistant. I don't think Nate Walker needed to be guarded. I don't think that's what Charlie meant in this alleged text message. I'm going to tell you why I'm saying alleged in a moment.

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22:55They didn't do a walk around prior to what could have been in serencent. I mean, what are the chances? What was in his pocket? I got to find out. Maybe we will find out. There's some more pieces that we can put together next week. Anyway, so while I was in Iceland, turning point USA, namely Andrew Colvet. Greenlit, Andrew Wilson coming out with an alleged telegram message from Charlie Kirk the night before he was killed. Now this is the same message that Andrew Wilson bizarrely read as his opening statement in our debate. Our debate was not about Charlie's messages. And I before, very strange that he would read that. And then didn't want to show it on our during our debate. And then he released the alleged message on his show. Now what's very strange about this immediately strange and strike you as ever intentional is that turning point will not acknowledge his authenticity.

23:55And that turning point did not choose to instead, since their whole narrative that they have been trying to push is that a lot of this did this. Why didn't they release this immediately? Why didn't turning point USA give us to New York Post, give this to the Daily Mail, say, aha, here it is evidence that he was terrified of the left. No, the contrary, they did the exact opposite. I was the one who revealed and I did not save a left because I was told it did not say the left. I was told that he said they are going to kill me to Dan Flood. And I have an ungood authority also that the message went out to Dan Flood via I message. Not telegram. Just strike you again as remarkably odd that turning point USA handed to a third party who we know is happy to lie. He he a whole lie about what he said two seconds ago. He'll lie about what he knows. A lie. He just was really hard to beat was three hours of him trying to gaslight me about things that were said moments earlier, pretending that he knew the charges all sorts of things.

24:58Why would they hand this to a chain smoking liar? Rather than giving it to someone reputable to publish it and say, this is authentic. But you know what? Rather than me assert that I believe that the message is a recreation of a message that was sent on I message, not telegram, sent to Dan Flood. And with the words the left added, let's for a moment do what the defense does during a probative hearing. Let me actually engage in their arguments. Pretend for a moment the message is real because they made a very, very big mistake. This is the text message that he released. Again, this is telegram. And Charlie wants to know what's the lay of the land. Dan Flood comes back and says, yes, law enforcement has been fully supportive and has agreed to the security plan and posture. Charles event will be covered by both my team and campus PD.

26:01If additional support is required, patrol units will be available. And Charlie says, thank you. Threats are higher than ever. And then that gets cut off. And Dan says, I have 11 on site. I don't know why we would include that message about the threats. Then Charlie said, okay, great. Charlie remind them that they are there for one person, security only. I'm somewhat worried about the left trying to kill me just said separately by itself there. Dan then comes back and says, just so you are aware, I will be and I'm going to say Dan because that's what I was told. Remember, I'm the one who told you about these messages. I'm the one who broke the story and they gaslit me. And now they're admitting it, but saying it was the left. Then this allegedly should be Dan comes back and says, just so you are aware, I will be shriking with allowing people into our bubble. I can't have distractions in there. As you spoke up earlier, we are here for one priority.

27:04And then Dan replies to Charlie having said, I'm somewhat worried about the left trying to kill me. I say, I've got you. I will do all of my power to make that extremely difficult to which Charlie likes that on telegram. Immediately, the internet clocks that this actually made me look good because back when Erica did her first PR Blitz in December of 2025, it was me who had been telling the world that Charlie sent two messages the night before. He was worried that they were going to kill him. I actually revealed this on October 7th. You can go back and watch the episode. And I was explicit and saying that it was not the left. It was this unconfirmed text message reads, but they in fact, when Andrew Colbert told me this information because he was my source and he told me he received one message and Dan Flood received the other. And I covered for him and said it was a donor as well as somebody close to turning point

28:05USA. I specifically asked Andrew Colbert who Charlie meant by that. I was told this in the week after Charlie died by Andrew Colbert. And I specifically prodded that narrative and I said, who is they? And he told me that he did not know. So I'm not going to pretend he said, oh, it was the Jews in Israel. He didn't say that. He said, I don't know. And I thought that's weird. Who just randomly would text Andrew Colbert and be like, they're going to kill me. Who's going to randomly then text Sam Flood and say, they're going to kill me and not be more explicit? I would have obviously remembered if he said the left because I communicated it instantly on my show on October 7th and said, this is exclusive. This is the second to two people. Yet despite me knowing about Charlie's concerns and knowing about these messages back in September and informing my audience on October 7th, months later in December when Erica hit the circuit clearly with the express purpose of debunking what I had said, she denied the message's existence.

29:08She wanted to blunt Glenn Beck and here's what she said. Take a listen. I know the tour, that was the first stop of the tour. And I know you two had met with your priest the night before. And did you think Charlie knew to some degree and had made the conscience, the conscious choice that I may be taken out early, not saying he knew that that day. That he had any inkling that this might come his way and that he intentionally chose to move forward with faith in God. It's interesting because we always, I mean, I still, I have unbelievable amounts of death threats. My kids have kidnapping threats, death threats. Our whole team has death threats. We knew that there was always going to be a threat. But Charlie and I always, we promised each other we would never live in fear.

30:10And he would say, if they're going to get me, they're going to get me. But he was not messaging people the day before saying, I'm going to be murdered. They're coming after me. Someone's going to kill me. You know, he didn't say that. And I have a cell phone. Hmm. Didn't say that. Spicy. He didn't say that. And I have a cell phone. And I remember that Andrew Colbert was doing PR with her and traveling with her at this time. So it really is weird that Andrew Colbert would tell me that and not tell Erica months later. Or supposedly, but Erica was completely ignorant on these messages until I clocked her. That was the original TPUS A Sins. So to speak that I said, that's really weird. And the next day I went on my show and I said, she's lying. Erica is lying there. That's very strange. These messages absolutely were real. They were received by Dan Flood and Andrew Colbert. And then I met up with Erica. They very quickly then reached out. And she was like, Oh, yeah, no, the messages are weird. We're a real.

31:11Once you said that, then I went in and I saw that Charlie, she said something about connecting it to the phone to the internet. And she then confirmed with the team. And Charlie had the phone set to auto delete on his signal and a telegram. Why didn't reveal to Erica? Is that a source that I trust deeply much more than I trust Erica, and who has been more consistent on tongue with truth about what happened on that day, said the text messages were received on I message. So I am not inclined to believe that these messages are on telegram. But actually, there's something bigger, boys and girls, the trap that they walked right into. More interesting than this, whether or not the message is edited or not, is that Andrew Wilson provided timestamps. The internet literally did not clock this. Now, Andrew Wilson, if you had listened to me and how much I love a timeline, my official timeline, you would have recall that I had been meticulous about Charlie's schedule on

32:15September 9th, every hour of what he was doing, but I could populate onto my official timeline, confirming his whereabouts what he was doing. And what is interesting about when Charlie sent this, these alleged panicked messages to his security, Dan Flood, and to Andrew Colbert, which he has not yet addressed, is that he sent them when he was on the now notorious Zoom call with leaders in Israel. Let me jog your memory regarding Charlie's final day, day before he died September 9th. Erica, remember, he comes back from Korea. So he's jet lagged. Erica said that she will Charlie up for his Fox News hit. That's per Andrew Colbert. The one o'clock PM Charlie appears in the Wilkins show from his turning point USA off the studio. He then jumps right on to a 40 minute interview on Mark Halprens show.

33:17At 3 o'clock PM Erica told me that she was getting her nails done. And that in this hour is when Charlie had that back and forth and fight on the phone and said that he was leaving the pro-Israel cause. And no, he was not saying it tongue in cheek. That's at 3.54 PM. That message was sent. Suddenly, there's a Zoom call, an emergency Zoom call. It seems to be this wasn't emergency Zoom call because we have Charlie. We have Josh Hammer. We have Frank Turek. We have Rabbi Wolicki. We have two Israeli officials that are on the Zoom call as well as Blake Neff and Andrew Colbert. If Rabbi Wolicki is to be believed, he says that actually. We'll show you that in a second. That his producers were on the phone call. So I want you to picture that. Okay. That in during the time that he is on this phone that he is on this Zoom call. And Andrew Colbert is on the Zoom call. Charlie texts him.

34:19Text Andrew. Allegedly, as Andrew told me, he told me this explicitly. He received his text and says, they're going to kill me. And he says he doesn't know who he was referring to. But if you were on a Zoom call with Israeli officials, after you said that you were leaving the pro-Israel cause, and Rabbi Wolicki confirmed, by the way, he was the only one who told the truth. Everyone was like, this call was just daisies. And it was about prepping. Rabbi Wolicki actually said, yeah, it got a little contentious. Charlie was playing devil's advocates. Charlie was pushing back, asking us about Gaza. If all of that is to be believed, because I said, why would Charlie just send you, they are going to kill me. No context. Well, the context might have been, Andrew, in reference to the Zoom call that you were on when this message was sent. You're on the phone. You text to someone. It's not going well. They're going to kill me. That might have been the day. If I was using my context clues, if I was in an English class and they said, who is the

35:23day that he is referencing in this moment, it would be who he was currently on the Zoom call with. Here's Frank describing who was on the call. Take a listen. So the next day, we had a meeting, a Zoom meeting with a couple of people in Israel and a couple of people in the room and another person, an expert on Israel in the United States. And we were asking them, and Charlie was asking them, tell me your perspective on what's going on with Hamas now and the Israeli situation. Tell me, I want to be better able to answer questions when I get questions on this. So contrary to popular opinion, some popular opinion that Charlie was given up on Israel, that's not true. He was trying to prepare himself to know the facts and be better able to answer those questions. This is the day before he was murdered. Wow. We're in this meeting. I'm in the meeting with him.

36:24We're in. So the next day, we get up. We fly up to Utah. He actually went to stop to do a, he was going to do a presentation to a group of restaurant tours because his cousin was a restaurant tour and said, Charlie, come out of this. We come out of this. Speak to my group of restaurant owners. So there is what we have Frank telling us a story that Charlie had written this text message said that he was abandoning the pro-Israel cause that he wanted to bring Candace back. They tried to turn this into some tongue in cheek text message. It wasn't that. Andrew did not tell me it was that. Andrew clearly was concerned enough about being on this text thread that he sent it to Joe Kent. When asked about threats and things and he thought that this message was relevant enough to send to Tulsi Gabbard's office to investigate further. It was not tongue in cheek because when I asked Erica about this message, she didn't say

37:25it was tongue in cheek. Charlie was angry. And we have from Rabbi Walikki that he kept up that energy. He said in various interviews, you can go back. We have shown it that he, he was the only one that told the truth that this call was not some peachy. Oh, we just want some debating talking points. Even when he spoke to the New York Post, he said, quote, he was working out talking points, playing the role of devil's advocates, devil's advocate pushing up on these issues, trying to sharpen the iron. He was in a combative mood. He recalled, but that was good because he was preparing for debates and he was preparing for attacks. And like I said, we showed you a clip of him discussing this call and he was clear. Charlie was upset on this call. He was done with the pro-regional cause. This is not something Erica denied or tried to clean up or tried to present to me in our four hour meeting like it was tongue in cheek. He was angry. He was upset with the pastors. It was something that was happening slowly and then happened very quickly.

38:26So there are one of two versions of this that you can believe. That Charlie sends this message and he is upset and he is angry and he says that he will no longer be bullied. He has donors that have just taken millions of dollars from him the day before, threatening him. He says he's no longer going to be bullied and that he is abandoning the pro-Israel cause. And that after that, they had this wonderful peachy meeting. And for some reason, 47 minutes or so into this meeting, Charlie is like, I'm worried the left is going to kill me. And then he sends Andrew a message and he says, they're going to kill me. And then he sends Dan Flott a message and he says, they're going to kill me. But he really meant the left while he's on the phone call with Israeli officials. And mind you, in Israel, it's four o'clock in the morning. That seems to me like this was an emergency call about Charlie statements. That's what it feels like to me. My common sense tells me that people when you say, hey, when you want to set a call, they

39:29don't say four o'clock in the morning, not urgent. Charlie knows how to debate. He's smarter than every single person on that call. He needs Blake Neff and Frank Turek. Look at these guys. He needs Blake Neff and Frank Turek and Andrew Colvet helping him to fashion his debate skills or or this is an intervention. Charlie is done with the pro-Israel cause. He is pushing back on them. He's always going to be polite. It's Charlie. Whatever happened on that call, he's side texting Andrew Colvet and he says, they're going to kill me. Andrew then later tells me that text message, but then says he doesn't know who they is. He tells about the Dan Flott message and he tells me that he doesn't know who they is. And never once in our communications did Andrew Colvet say that Charlie said the left. And like I said, you can bet that I am telling the truth because had Charlie has said the

40:31left to both Andrew and Dan Flodd, that would have been the front page headline story as they were shoving down our throat so this was about trans issues. Okay. This is the group that sells out everything Charlie writes, anything as it is personal diary, nice notes, anything, bloody mics. If they could have sold to the public that the left had done this, this is I. Forgive him talking about trans issues. That man, that man, I forgive him. They would have provided that message not to a chain smoking idiot, but to what they deemed to be a respectable publication to push out that narrative instead they denied because what I said was true. He did not save a left. They denied. They denied. They denied. And then Erica went and did her PR blitz. The stop just stop. He mentioned Fort Wachukah. She says stop, just stop. Looks at the camera. That backfires and she goes on the Glenn Beck show. He teased her up with a question. Oh, I have his phone.

41:32Nope. You can shut that down. Kansas has been lying to you. Everything Candace told you, however, in the first three weeks after a gas lit and then they had to come out and admit it was true. I told you about the Hamptons. Okay. I told you about BB Net and Yahoo's call. I told you about the text message leaving the Pro-Israel cause, which they denied until I dropped it. Okay. They I told you about two messages that he received. Go back, watch it the night before. They denied that as well. There are the ones I keep having to admit to the truth. I haven't changed my story. I haven't changed my story about what happened and I'm going to stick to it. And like I said, those messages did not say the left. So at turning point USA, I'd like to come out and clarify that those messages are real and that those messages on telegram were not edited in any way to include the little line about the left. I'd like to hear it straight from your mouth because I have it on very good authority

42:36that the message was sent to Dan Flood on I message, not on telegram. And I trust nothing that you guys say because you have lied so many times and your stories are all running into each other. Again, it was not smart to release those messages with timestamps. Because now you have to explain why Charlie felt the need to send messages about his security and his fear of dying while he was on a call with Israel. Four o'clock in the morning, Israel time to be clear and absolute nonsense. Anyway, we're coming up against time. We are going to take a break and we'll be right back. All right, you guys. Would you rather have a stranger follow you everywhere that you go or share your every Google search with them? Well, if you have a standard smartphone, I have some bad news for you. You're already doing a version of both. Thankfully, my friends over at zero ghost believe that your smartphone should know its boundaries and my own business. That's why I love their ghost phone. It's a privacy-focused smartphone for people who want modern technology without handing over

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45:43going to die, not expressing this to his wife, he went home and just was so excited, so excited about an event that he does for living. This is what Charlie does for a living. But this was like never before. He just could not sleep, was wrestling, woke up his daughter, or Charlie was stressed out because he thought they were going to kill him. Again, you get to decide which narrative makes more sense. His daughter just woke up at three and clock in the morning because Charlie was just so excited. Know how much I've traveled with Charlie to do events? Charlie being so excited, he cannot sleep the night before doing a college, but I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I'm going to call bullshit on that Erica, part in my language. And when I noticed these laws and jurors on the ground of his car, a lot of little laws and jurors all around, maybe it looks like perhaps Nate Walker picked them up.

46:46We see the bag. It's not an Uber bag. It looks like they went to some sort of a convenience store. I gather that Charlie's throat was hurting him from the Laws and Jurors ever all littered across the SUV that he was in. And that makes me think that at some point Charlie might have been shouting the night before. Again, I'm just putting together my context clues of everything that I've seen and what I think happened. I think Charlie was shouting. I think Charlie didn't sleep because as he expressed, he was worried that they were going to kill him. And I've got to tell you, don't think they was the furry community. The perfect lunch combo. That first bite of your favorite sub, followed by ice-cold Pepsi, add a couple of friends, and now that's next level. Suddenly, the laughs get louder, the stories keep flowing, and the food tastes better. This Pepsi brings out more flavor, more fun, and more of the moment.

47:48Food deserves Pepsi. Grab a Pepsi Zero Sugar today. That's where I'm at. Maybe you could share some more messages, Erica. Apparently, he didn't open up to you. And your co-op, I didn't tell you, and your best friend, Cash Patel, didn't tell you that he had these messages that he sent the night before. For you want your little PR blitz to lie to the public. But we'll keep turning up the heat. We can keep doing that. I have no problem doing that. Anyway, top comments from yesterday's episode. Allie writes, notice how all the normal people are sprinting because I think there is an active shooter, yet Charlie's friends stand, record themselves, and then take care. Camera footage. Yeah, I mean, some people are at some fight.

48:50Some people it's flight, some people it's security SD cards. Everybody knows that. I learned that in health class. So I'm in range rights. So they had to lock down the hats from the thieves. But the $100,000 SUVs were sitting there open and ready to drive. Yeah. Some security. So it's interesting that Brian Harphol's claim, as he told Sean Reynash to pull it from the episode, was that Charlie had no fears. I have a foreman now turning point USA is disputing that. They're now saying that he did have fears and communicated them to his security team. That registers to me as incompetence. You're suing me for saying that the security team was incompetent. Well, why wasn't that expressed to everybody on the team? And he said, I don't want anyone allegedly to leave my side. And then the person on him goes upstairs with his assistant registers to me as a security failure, as incompetence.

49:53So I'm going to stand by my opinion that the security team was incompetent. It's weird that they didn't even put them on the ground after he got hit. Did you know that? They put him onto the giant travel kits, like the travel suitcase for the AV stuff. Charlie, when he goes down, his body is never laid on the ground. It is laid on top of one of those suitcases that tech people carry, all their material in. Weird. That register, that seems incompetent to me. You lay somebody flat. You don't put them on a travel suitcase for tech. Anyway, I can tell you guys that we have just getting into some stuff that we are releasing. You know that we've been working with vulnerable people project. They have a new documentary and we have it up on our website. It is called Inside the Vatican's Secret Deal with China. In 2018, the Vatican entered a secretive deal with the Chinese Communist Party.

50:56The idea was to make things better for the Chinese Christians that the CPP was oppressing. But since then, it's only gotten worse. The ships are disappearing in China. Precise are forced to submit to an officially atheistic government. Worst of all, Beijing is appointing its own wireless bishops, ignoring the Pope's directions. This dark secret deal doesn't just compromise Catholics in China. It binds and silences the whole church. Even Pope Leo himself has nervously refused to comment on it when asked on camera. Pope Leo inherited this deal, of course, but Pope Leo can end it and make sure that it's never renewed. The vulnerable people project covers all of this in the newest documentary that's up on our website. Again, entitled Inside the Vatican's Secret Deal with China. Actually, it's going to be available tomorrow at canisowns.com. We can now get to your comments from today's episode. We have Ali, who writes, sorry, I read that already. That was from yesterday's episode, from today's episode, Ali. Nope, said it again. Sorry, pregnancy brain, true detective rights. Whenever I felt down on myself, I would watch reruns of to catch a predator. Now when I need encouragement, I just watch 10 second clips of Frank Turek and

51:59Julesz and Erica Kirk and realize life could be so much worse. I could have gone the way of Judas also FaceTime, pickle jar and glitter pants are the worst nicknames to have in prison. That's very funny. I mean, Andrew Wilson is just like, like I said, bottom of the barrel now. I mean, they will, whoever is willing to lie to the public, they will team up with. And like I said, it reflects where they are at. They are not behaving honestly. They are lying repeatedly, especially, especially, like, now there's nobody that gets community noted faster for trying to lie to the public about various aspects of this case, lying about who Charlie was friendships and like it, who was, who is friends with. And like I said, you sense a desperation in Blake's and Andrew's lies now. It's a desperation. It's insane to say, Kettis, Owens and Charlie Kirk were not friends. That is like an insane thing to say. And it can only be uttered out of sheer desperation to try to get a handle on the narrative. Scotty, a thrive tribe rights. Does anybody have a definitive list of missing evidence? Example, the body cam discovering the rifle and tell the body cam of Tyler asking a

53:02cop a question, the surveillance of the first cop approaching the screwdriver, the necklace, metaglass, the glasses that were recording the camera behind Charlie, TPUSA text. No, I think you just created one. That's good. We'll keep that. You know, I love a list. You know I love to organize a list. I can put it on my official timeline. Do you really upset some people? Why is it on the timeline? Cause it's mine. I like to say organized my timeline. James, the least rights Blake, Blakey has been entirely truthful about one thing that Mikey is bubbly. I don't know anything that Blakey has been truthful about. But you know, Charlie, I can tell you, I don't believe he liked Blake, but he didn't like Mikey. I can tell you that for a fact. He had a wish ship with Mikey. And I think that Mikey was the most uncomfortable and they sensed a weakness in Mikey from the beginning. And that's why they were constantly reassuring him with all these adjectives. I think Mikey knows more than he has communicated.

54:05And look, I know more than I've communicated. I am so I'm going to come out. It is Joey Wright writes, Hey, Candace, regarding Charlie's SUV. I remember when they pulled up to UBU, Charlie's SUV pulled forward and got out to the right of where the SUVs were parked because that's where Charlie Kirk meets the mountain man. So maybe after Charlie Kirk got out, someone backed the SUV in. Yes, I believe that's on camera. And it is Chris who backs the SUV in, Charlie walks forward with Frank and other security card guard members. I think I think he walks forward with Blake, Kara and Dan Flood is definitely with him as well. Joey Wright writes, I'm sorry, I just read that. I am suffering from end of pregnancy brain. So we guys are half the bear with me. You know, it always happens talks with Tiff writes, Hi, Candace, I know you get a ton of emails, but did you get my email with the UBU documents for event planning? The document show TPUSA rejecting EMS asking for three parking spots as close to the courtyard as possible. I did not get that. And if you could resend, that would be very helpful.

55:08I will go look for that. And you are correct. I expressed this before. My source was solid on the fact that turning point USA insisted on being outdoors, despite them advising that there was no traffic control, meaning that we would be able to look at people's tickets. That is now stunning. Given the text messages that turning point USA purports to be real, a Charlie was afraid. Let's take it at face value. Let's say he said the left to Dan Flood. They had an outdoor event, open event while Charlie was scared for his life. That seems weird. No ticket control, no people behind sitting in the audience, perhaps security. No? That's interesting. I would say security failed him on that day. Kay Willis writes, I'm thinking Blake and F Andrew, Kay and those others are terrified. And that is why they are behaving the way they are because they could be next since this information is coming out. I mean, look, I would be terrified if I was them as well.

56:10Because like I said, lies have an expiration date. The truth doesn't. And they're lying. They are lying without question. Why they are lying? We don't know. Sarah writes, so that security crew photo is their pre-deployment photo. I think it should be the quote, these guys failed to complete their mission successfully photo. Oh, sorry. I meant the mission that Charlie was paying them to achieve my bad. Yeah, that photo looks like it's being taken on the hall of flags up there. I don't know when it was taken, but you can see obviously that Chris is not in it. The person that was on Charlie. So we can assume that it was earlier in the morning. Here, I don't know how to say this last name, writes, it's like Charlie saw the walls closing in and just wanted to go back to the good old days of being brutally honest about everything with his big sister Candace by his side on tour, resting peace Charlie. Yes. And that was not the only then trying to sort of downplay the message of him saying it was even the pro-issue or cause that was not the only message that Charlie sent that

57:12day. He sent the message to other people at Turning Point USA saying that he wanted me back for Amfest and he made that very clear to them. It was a directive. It was not a suggestion. And like I said, they're hiding all this stuff because why? You tell me because why you feel in the blank. Why do people lie? Well, the answer is they're always lying. Because they're scared of the truth being revealed. What is the truth that they are scared of having revealed? Lastly, Brooke writes, sending my love from Houston State Strong, say, blessed and keep fighting for truth. Thank you guys. We are only at this point because of your patience, because of your study interest, because of you guys not letting this go because of all of the investigators, smaller YouTube channels, bigger YouTube channels coming together and saying that this is an evil that cannot stand.

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