Why Ariana Grande Is Stepping Away

If you feel compelled to comment on a famous woman’s body, a good rule of thumb to remember is “don’t.” But to avoid feeling complicit or like we’re normalizing something we know to be harmful, there are discussions to be had—amongst ourselves at least. Is that any better?

Guest: Scaachi Koul, Slate senior writer 

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